Santiago.- Representatives of southern Santiago’s neighborhood boards and community organizations from nearly 20 barrios, whose residents threaten to expel all undocumented Haitians if the Immigration Agency fails to repatriate them yesterday agreed to extend their deadline until February 27, the Day of Dominican Independence.
In a meeting with local authorities in the Casa Club de Verde, Immigration North Region director Juan Isidro Perez asked the residents for patience and more time to deal with the Haitians who live there illegally.
He said the residents of more than 400 Santiago barrios demand the same and reiterated the need for patience and to wait for the authorities to regulate the presence of the Haitians.
Damage to the country
The official said the residents’ threats do much harm to the country because they are reported by the international press and creates a false image and perception that Dominicans are xenophobic against the Haitians, which in his view is not the reality.
Perez said Immigration is doing its job as evidenced in the streets of Santiago and other northern cities are free of Haitian beggars. “But we must recognize that there are international protocols and an Immigration Law and that’s the reason we must proceed slowly and with caution.”
From: United States
I hope things don't get out of control and turn into some imprudent community brigade that turns violent.
From: Dominican Republic, Puerto Plata
@bjp
I'm with you on this one.
And the way to prevent that from happening is for the Government to do its job, in a CONSISTENT manner.
Written by: kennyB, 20 Jan 2011 9:15 AM
From: United States
There is a part of me that feels sorry for these unfortunate people, especially the innocent children, but they have to go because we do not have the resources to provide for them. Unfortunately, the morons who drink the Kool-Aid from the international left wing media cannot grasp the situation.
From: Dominican Republic, Santiago
The meetings were productive in that the moradores from the barrios made is clear what the possibilities are. I, more than most of you, do not want violence where I live. Neither do I want to continue seeing the ILLEGALS peeing, pooping in my backyard. Let the international community give assistance to DR to deal with the problem. Unless you live in Santiago, unless you have seen it , your words are empty rhetoric. Bernard and his crew are sad examples of humanitarians. They are narcissistic and simply want attention. It feeds their ego and fills the awful emptiness they live with. They do nothing to help their people.
I do not want violence. Yet, I fear, it is coming. The moradores of the barrios are not going to allow this to continue. It is the responsibility of the Govt to SEND THEM BACK and FAST. If the Illegasl were encroaching in the wealthy neighborhoods and causing the problems there it would have been resolved months ago!!!!
Written by: Freedom, 20 Jan 2011 9:38 AM
From: United States
This all a big scheme to get the Haitians to buy passports and visas back home and come right back, its the word in the streets, its all about the money as usual.
Written by: Freedom, 20 Jan 2011 9:39 AM
From: United States
And the Baby Doc arrest thing is to divert attention from the deportations.
Written by: planner, 20 Jan 2011 9:58 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Puerto Plata
CarmenReyes - you are dead on correct. IF this was going on in the wealthy neighborhoods then this would have been handled long ago. For them it is out of sight out of mind.
Now barrios are getting the attention of the government and demanding action and I cannot say I blame them.
Written by: xwill7, 20 Jan 2011 10:24 AM
From: United States, El cuarto bate
Nothing has changed, there are even more of them... Just go near the monument, there are tons of them trying to sell you warm beer
From: Dominican Republic, Santiago
El monumento at night is no longer fun. Although I am 62 yrs old, I like to eat sometimes, listen to the music and watch my grandchildren having fun. It is impossible because of the illegals. The whole area behind Santiago Mall is filled with the Illegals. The area around the University is now becomiong vulnerable. Although, I doubt it will be infiltrated and infested because there is $$$$$$ there. The barrios are burdened with so many day to day problems they cannot absorb the Illegal problem. SEND THEM BACK FAST!!!
From: United States
I think the Barrio people are just desperate and feel like they have to take matters into their own hands. It is tough to leave this way. It is tough to get constructively invaded - and that is just whats happening. I, like Carmen, feel sorry for these unfortunate people as well but the Dominican Republic should not be held accountable. We should not have to absorb this problem. It is easy for the rest of the world to look at the situation with a telescope from a distance and suggest that we take these people in. Everything is always good when it is not happening "in your own backyard." We are our own sovereign nation and we should be able to deal with immigration any way we see fit. The only way to deal with this situation now is to send them back to Haiti and seal up the border. We have to take care of our own issues first.
From: Dominican Republic, Santiago
Thank you Ben. This is a public health crisis. Toz ferina is back and that is something I do not wish on even those ignorants who criticize us for protecting ourselves. They do not know anything about the public health system. There may be treatment in some hospitals but there is not medicine dispensed. If someone needs a xray and cannot pay they do not get it. If they need antibiotics etc and cannot buy them they do not get it. Parasitosis is at a all time high. The people of the barrios are barely surviving. Where is the compassion for them and their right to some quality of life? Many contribute their views. In reality they show me who they are and their degree of ignornance. I am not concerned with any negative remarks towards me. In fact, let them come. It gives me more desire to SEND THEM BACK FASTER. I do not apologize for my views and I believe when people show us who they are we should believe them!! Cantave, Bernard and the others are typical. SEND THEM BACK
From: Dominican Republic, Santiago
Catfish have big mouths and small brains.
Written by: xwill7, 20 Jan 2011 1:39 PM
From: United States, El cuarto bate
How many of them have to "help" me park at night? I don't need your help to park, I have a license from USA and know how to park very good... Then when you leave they act like they were "watching" your vehicle and ask for $$$
From: Haiti
I am with Montreal, Compassion!
Written by: cantave, 20 Jan 2011 7:13 PM
From: United States, !<82ndAbd>!Lt.Tigah>Fort Bragg>North Carolina, U.S>Platoon Leader>Tactical Hardcore.
Written by: CarmenReyes, 20 Jan 2011 11:32 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Santiago
Toz ferina is back and that is something I do not wish on even those ignorants who criticize us for protecting ourselves.
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I hate to pick on an elderly woman,but
proctecting yourself from what ,who,.
are you at war?? with what country.
Semper fidelis................
Written by: cantave, 20 Jan 2011 7:26 PM
From: United States, !<82ndAbd>!Lt.Tigah>Fort Bragg>North Carolina, U.S>Platoon Leader>Tactical Hardcore.
Carmen Reyes.
Abuelita.
The only way to get rid or stop the Haitians from coming to you country is to chainsaw the island in half and fill the void with water and crocodiles, may be will stop the Haitian.
Otherwise resistance is futile.
Semper Fidelis.........
From: United States, Brooklyn
The best cultural movement to come out of Santiago
From: United States
@Carmen - Gracias corazon, me siento muy contento saber que me estas pensando tanto, muy amable. You say, "Bernard and his crew are sad examples of humanitarians. They are narcissistic and simply want attention. It feeds their ego and fills the awful emptiness they live with. They do nothing to help their people." Wow! Me and MY crew?? Is that your way of saying that you think of me as a 'leader'? You are so sweet. I like that line 'it feeds their ego and fills the awful emptiness they live with', impressive. That almost sounds Poetic, I like the way you put that together. As far as me doing nothing to help 'my people'?? Let me yet again clarify that you don't even know WHO my people are. And you would probably be SHOCKED to know who some of 'my people' are. lol! If you only knew. Que sorpresa te espera....(jaja!). Anyhow, I do agree with you on one thing, if the Haitians were running up in the more 'affluent' neighborhoods things would be different.
From: United States
@Carmen - ALL I said was that I hope things go peacefully, that in of itself implies that I wish for peace for BOTH Haitians and Dominicans that are involved. But yet from that you deduce that I have some 'anti-Dominican' complex. Its amazing to me how SO many people on here are so quick to take this Polarized stance in regards to the issues, as if a person can not be both in support of Haitians and Dominicans. Just about EVERY comment that supports Haiti is misconstrued as anti-dominican, and that is often a part of the problem. Some people obsess so much over their National 'identity' they forget that they are primarily and universally human. For so many its either ALL for or ALL against. Any reasonable and flexible stance in the middle is usually just digested as anti-dominican propaganda. That is such a 'Sith Lord' complex. "Only a Sith deals in Absolutes". Humanity is more important that Nationalism. God created mankind, its mankind that created borders and flags.
From: United States
@cbelk99 - I'm sorry, come again?? I didn't quite understand you. Unfortunately for you, your fragmented sentence structure and grammar seems to convert your otherwise inflammatory remarks into docile, child like gibberish. Begging?? (lol) The only thing I beg is for you to get a handle on SOME language (ANY language) so that you can express yourself sufficiently. Ironically 'Shite' is also the term used to refer to a person who performs Aikido (Martial-Arts - taking notes?) techniques. And although I'm not from Haiti, its really quite emblematic. How so you ask? Ah....allow me to expound. You come running at me with your weak and predictable attacks and I effortlessly neutralize your 'attacks' by using your own energy against you, leaving you dismantled, crippled and immobile. Deep isn't it?
Pero, donde estan tus juguetes? Vete a jugar carajito, oiste?
Written by: Yucahu, 22 Jan 2011 5:14 AM
From: United States, Miami
Whatever is in the way is the way. I think that is wushu. Bernard, Bernard Jean Pierre. You are not of these islands let us handle this. We have not asked you to involve yourself. We just want to be left alone to settle our own affairs. We don't go to France, Quebec, Belgium, Luxembourg or any other Francophone country and tell you how to get things done, now do we, come on, do we? We have been at this since 1822 and WE will eventually get it right. So stop butting in, you Europeans have done enough harm as it is. Cbelk don't let him try to intimidate you with his fancy speak. He don't know no better.
From: Dominican Republic, NEVER FORGOTTEN, NEVER FORSAKEN!
People too much energy on hatred, LIFE IS TOO SHORT.
I used to empty myself with passion about the Haitian living in our side of the island, and the I realized that these people are just trying to survive, now don't get me wrong, the law of the land has to be applied and whoever is illegal has to be deported; now, we should not blame the Haitian for making it across the Masacre river, we should blame the CESFRONT for letting them in.
Bernard it is admirable the way you carry yourself.
PEACE.
From: Haiti
Bernard,
It is refreshing to read some of your comments.... Very classy!
Written by: Pepe32, 22 Jan 2011 5:26 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Bernard you can support both Haitians and Dominicans each in their own country but on this issue there is no middle ground for what is best for the Haitians will hurt and eventually destroy DR.
The demographic reality is that in a short period there would be more Haitians and people of Haitian descent than Dominicans and that sir is something that we never want to see.
We don´t want kreyol to be a language taught here,we also don´t want Dessalines,Soulouqueand Boyer painted as heroes and we definitely don´t want our independence to be relinquished and least of all to the Haitians ...simple as that!
No se puede estar con Dios y con el diablo!!
Written by: Pepe32, 22 Jan 2011 5:33 PM
From: Dominican Republic
I am proud and not surprised that these movements are originating in Santiago ,like most here I hope and pray the government reverses its course and starts to protect our sovereignty otherwise it will be ordinary Dominican men and women who will push the situation and force the governments hands .
Please equip the trucks with handrails so Bernard can be satisfied and start the motors ....do this within the rule of law and treat them well but please begin deportations otherwise the Haitians will face an angry populace who will not consider human rights and the whole thing can spiral out of control. The island is a tinderbox and those who wish to stop or slow down the deportations will be responsible for the ensuing bloodshed.
This is the reality folks ,no matter what others say the situation is reaching a critical point and the pressure can only be relieved with large scale visible and continuos deportations and enforcement and no amount of wishful thinking will change that..
From: United States
@Pepe32 - There might not always be middle ground, but there is ALWAYS room to be reasonable. I can understand your sentiments in not wanting the Dominican Republic becoming 'another' Haiti. Each Country is different and has carved out its own place in History. But what I see nearly EVERY time this discussion is hatched forth, is a certain mix of Hate, Fear, Ignorance, a Sense of Superiority and a Lack of Empathy. The mix varies with certain ingredients being more pronounced than others, but it always produced the same type of 'waste'. There is this wide spread view that Haitians will somehow 'take over' and destroy Dominicans or something. This is not a Movie, this is real life. All Haitians want to do is survive, thats it, they don't want to hijack Dominican culture anymore the Dominicans who come to the USA want to usurp the US Government. And you are wrong, those responsible for 'blood shed' will be those who shed the blood. Violence is not an obligation, love however is.
Written by: Pepe32, 22 Jan 2011 6:29 PM
From: Dominican Republic
This is REAL life Bernard and we showed more empathy than ANY other nation!!
But since it is REAL LIFE it is our country that is directly threatened and since you keep saying you are not Haitian and you obviously are not Dominican then you obviously DON"T care about my country or you don't understand that pushing the Dominican Republic into a deep crisis will not help Haiti,it will only make the whole island into a hellhole. You should not be in DT ,you should be pushing the French ,Canadian,American and other rich countries but we CANNOT stand the BURDEN of all the Haitians and having empathy for the poor family next door shouldn't mean you lose your own house.
You come late and ignorant into an old problem and I can tell you that to continue to delay the deportations risks violent outbreaks especially given the already unbearable conditions in DR.
Written by: Pepe32, 22 Jan 2011 6:36 PM
From: Dominican Republic
We are not dealing with a rich nation like the US or the Europeans and we have enough bad blood between us .I see you as either an idealist or someone who would does not care a whit for the Dominican people but again as you stated ,THIS IS REAL LIFE and not some fairy tale and the masses in DR only get the NEGATIVE effects of the Haitian ILLEGAL immigration unlike the elites who benefit from their cheap labour .The government should coordinate with the UN occupiers of Haiti and with the puppet government in Puerto Principe (just so they can save face) and coordinate HUMANE and definative "repatriations" .As I said we can put bars on the trucks to assuage your feelings but bottom line they must be sent back.Once this is accomplished then we can discuss a GUEST worker programme assuming Haiti is willing to provide its people with DOCUMENTATION and change the Haitian constitution to respect the sovreignty of the DR!
From: United States
Yes, the Dominican Republic DID show great empathy for Haiti, but thats how it should be, after all we are talking about 2 Nations sharing 1 Island, NEIGHBORS forming a symbiont circle. So yes give credit where credit is due. But since we are being 'real' now, there has to be a balance. Empathy and Compassion are not just things you do like Washing a Car, they are a way of THINKING and FEELING that impulses one to ACT. You and I both know that MANY Nations including the US and Dominican Republic are doing a lot things toward Haiti simply because they know their International Peers will call them out on it if they do not. Has the Dominican Republic done good deeds towards Haiti? yes, no argument there. Has it also done bad deeds towards Haiti? yes, no contest there. So has the US, so has France etc. So everybody SHOULD FEEL obligated to help Haiti because in one way or another they have all contributed to its downfall and THAT is whats real. Sugarcane is not cutting itself.
Written by: Pepe32, 23 Jan 2011 1:00 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Excuse me Bernard ,you are sounding more and more Haitian everyday....you seem to think that the world is responsable for Haiti when it is mainly Haiti and the Haitians who have screwed Haiti up.
I firmly believe that no matter how much money is poured into Haiti it will not improve and I don't want to see my country dragged down with Haiti no matter how much "empathy" I may feel ...I am not suicidal!
From: United States
Drowning man syndrome.
Written by: Pepe32, 23 Jan 2011 1:36 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Drowning man syndrome.
A man who is barely keeping his head above water tries to save a man who cannot swim and they both drown!
From: United States
@Pepe32 - Again, I could care less WHO or WHAT people THINK I am, I know very well who I am, and that is sufficient for me. And you again chose to see only the extremes, I NEVER said everybody ELSE is responsible for what happened in Haiti EXCEPT for Haiti, what I said was that there are MANY Nations that have.......(listen)..........CONTRIBUTED to Haitis problems. If you don't agree with that then you have not been paying attention to History. It is OBVIOUS that Haiti has brought a lot of turmoil upon its own head, but it has also been trampled over by other Nations. There are THOUSANDS of Nations that want International Aid, why do you think Haiti always gets it?? Think about that for sec. Because everybody knows that they ARE somewhat guilty for its downfall, the debt from France, the invasion and political pressure of the US, the horrible border negligence and human trafficking of the Dominican Republic etc. Haiti is MAINLY responsible but it is NOT SOLELY responsible.
Written by: Pepe32, 23 Jan 2011 9:53 PM
From: Dominican Republic
OK wealthy nations you are in a damned if you do damned if you don't situation with Haiti!
It's obvious that someone that feels that others "owe" something to them is not going to be grateful yet if the international community just left Haiti on its own nature would have wiped most of Haiti off the face of the earth .DR has been invaded multiple times ,by Haiti,Spain.US with Haiti alone accumulating over 5 invasions with a scortched earth policy and a genocidal bent yet I would still say that most of the problems in DR are our fault ,but the "sinverguenzas" dressed as "humanitarians" would have us believe that Haiti is where it is at MAINLY because of others and that their formation as a race based ,ignorance spawning republic is only a minor cause .
BJP understand it once and for all ,the Haitians have done us way more harm than we have to them and we cannot and will not take the fall for Haiti !!
Written by: vegano, 23 Jan 2011 10:55 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Bernard, so you feel that all nations should help.Haiti. hmmm? You know what I have to say when haitians begin to help themselves then the other nations should step in. If not just let the haitians become extinct. Goodnight yeah stealers just beat the jets. Hmm haitians I don't really wish ur death but ur kind only takes and don't build ur country ur are like termites. Stop looking for help from non haitians look for help from haitians abroad and once they come and then u will see the other nations help u. So what's the choice I think it going to be extinction because yah just don't want to do anything ur go to DR to rob and beg .
From: United States
Speech made by OAS Secretary General Jose Miguel Insulza:
"Although Dominican Republic's level level of development is far beyond Haiti's, it's still a country of the developing world, with its needs & problems in education,health".."It's a burden for (D.R.) that the International community must somehow mitigate".."so there must be more support since there's THE NOTION (writers emphasis) that some of the Haitian population's problems or a part of them are solved in the Dominican Rep." The Secretary General, who is from Chile, eloquently pointed out this fact on Nov. 4, 2009 months before the earthquake in neighboring Haiti.
From: United States
@Pepe32 - When Haiti gets on its feet, then yes we can all call them out and expect them to be responsible with the Aid they will have received. But right now is NOT that time. Haiti was a mess before the Earthquake, now things are just in sheer movie-like destruction. There is no time to waste, people are suffering and dying. If it was YOU in Haiti, what would you want? If it was you and the only 3 members of your immediate family that survived living in tents having to worry every second where to go, what to do for food, what would you want?? I would certainly want HELP. Not for others for to debate whether or not I PERSONALLY 'deserve' it while my family starves to death. Haiti is comprised of INDIVIDUAL PEOPLE, people who want nothing but to live life and be happy as you and I do. That same Earthquake could have happened in DR....would you want other Countries to shut the door on you and yours? Of course not, nor would I. Helping now s more important than making any point.
Written by: Pepe32, 24 Jan 2011 10:22 AM
From: Dominican Republic
BJP ,the issue is not whether some aid should go to Haiti ...What bothers me is that you make it seem as if EVERYONE owes Haiti something and that sir is a sign of an ingrate and someone who is always looking to others to solve their problems . Chile had a massive earthquake and people gave assistance but most of the effort came from Chile.
The crux of the argument is that while we all understand Haiti's problems many of them existed before the earthquake and while I and most of my countrymen are more than willing to help Haitians in Haiti destroying our country in the process is not something we are willing to do Haiti is the drowning man and we can throw a rope to them but we cannot drown alongside Haiti .
Written by: Pepe32, 24 Jan 2011 10:26 AM
From: Dominican Republic
You sir confuse empathy with idiocy and suicide and I repeat DR has done for Haiti NOTWITHSTANDING the terrible things Haitians have done to us for we do understand that a stable Haiti is in our best interests but we also know that achieving that is between difficult and impossible and though we feel for those Haitians (especially the children) we cannot destroy our own childrens future in the process nor can we allow the seeds of cultural and national anhillation to take root because instead of one Haiti we would have a whole island in the same conditions ...ecologically destroyed ,social chaos and overpopulated by people breeding more children to be left to the whims of fate.
So we can find a way to help Haitians in Haiti but we will not and cannot allow Haiti to destroy us in the process !
Written by: vegano, 24 Jan 2011 10:54 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Bernard you know what is the difference if it would have happened god forgive Dominicans around the world would have reached out to help. Like the Dominicans new York did for haitians. Venezueala or chile had a huge earthquake they required no help they rebuild from within. Please haitians are neaty nation always asking for help, help self first and take pride we cant do it for u
From: United States
A nation that only thinks of benefits and has too much pride to help out is a nation of failure.Next thing you know something drastic happens to us dominicans and we will be in the need for others help. How were the haitians supposed to help themselves when they had nothing to start with? always looking at one perspective isnt always helpful. whats important is the intention not the outcome. I think we as dominicans and anti-trujillo era should help those haitians why treat them any different when we both share an island we are neighbors and should have eachothers back. Why is there so much greed going around? i get we are in the need of money but why not accept them into your country? we like talking so much crap about america and immigration and sending us back to our country when we ourselves dont want to lend a hand to those who need it the most, where is the dominican hospitality? i remember when you would go to any house and they will serve you up a plate of food why not to them?
Written by: vegano, 26 Jan 2011 6:49 PM
From: Dominican Republic
charlie brown Haitians don't have anything because they are like termites dudes. they use up their resources and don't plant for tomorrow. DR we use our resources but we think of tommorrow not just today. Also if DR god forgive suffers such a devestation believe me many dominicans will help and contribute food to us. Like they did for the haitians, it's just we can't continue feeding Haitians if their own kind don't help them.
Lets just keep taking them all out!!! Soon the whole world will look at DR as the bad ones. Get them all out so they can get the help they deserve. If they stay here in they are only using up medical care and education that should be for us and our children
Written by: vegano, 26 Jan 2011 6:50 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Charlie tell me were in DR you located at so I can send the Haitians bums in Santo Domingo or in la vega to your house. Let them shit in your home walls and rape and rob you once you feed them. Post your address dude, since you have the talk to the walk .
Written by: vegano, 26 Jan 2011 6:55 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Charlie I am all for deportation of Dominicans illegal abroad, send them back so we can use them to get the illegals out of DR. Such high crime rates being committed by the Haitians. I always have to worry about my kids and the women in my family. I shouldn't have to live in such fear always worry that im going to have to use my gun to depend my family against them. And yes DR commits crimes also but were the hell they going to run, unlike the Haitians they commit a crime make it over the border and it's a wrap they are safe from DR authorities.
From: United States
A la gente de Santiago y todo el pais, que lleven sus camaras y tomen videos y que las pongan en " el internet" para que EL MUNDO VEA lo que esta sucediendo o lo que va a suceder. No vale escribir,comentar ni criticar. !El mundo tiene que VER la crisis!
From: United States
@santiagorodriguez- Good idea. The more documentation available the better those in charge will know what to do and how to address the situations.
From: United States
Im talking about hospitality im actually located in the united states werei volunteer for a shelter for haitians ! to bring back the hate that trujillo wanted to plant in us is just disgusting. These people are in need of jobs and everything i get that they are taking away dominican jobs especially those that need it its just like immigrants entering the us come on and us immigrant dominicans complain about the citizens complaining of immigrants taking their jobs its exactly the same its just ignorant and yes the two situations are just the same! Im guessing that by comments they are "dangerous" and somewhat populating the country cant agree more.
Written by: Pepe32, 30 Jan 2011 9:08 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Charlie,please let Dominicans deal with DR ...the question is not about IMMIGRATION ,it is about LEGAL vs ILLEGAL immigration .In the case of legal immigration the host country allowed the person to enter LAWFULLY after necessary background check and depending on the nations needs .In the case of ILLEGAL immigration the person entered the country WITHOUT permission and the necessary checks to determine of the person has a criminal record and if the host country NEEDS them.
I am also glad you are helping Haitians in the US but the problem in DR is not a handful ,it is millions and we are not a rich nation like the US so every penny spent on Haiti is a penny less for Dominican children for schools,Health care etc.
From: United States
I wonder what the 27th of February bring?
Written by: Pepe32, 30 Jan 2011 10:38 PM
From: Dominican Republic
It may not be the 27th but unless this is handled those who aid and abet the illegal immigration either actively or passively will be responsible for what occurs..
From: United States
You mean like EVERYONE who has 'aided and abetted' or just the ones you select?
Written by: Pepe32, 31 Jan 2011 9:52 PM
From: Dominican Republic
BJP
The Haitian Elites
The Dominican Elites
The international community
Those who push for unification or for DR to assume the burden of Haiti's problems
The Dominican government
The haitian government
The Haitians who feel they have a RIGHT to cross over on our side and who feel this is their territory
Am I missing anyone??
Written by: vegano, 1 Feb 2011 6:18 AM
From: Dominican Republic
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Written by: vegano, 1 Feb 2011 6:18 AM
From: Dominican Republic
PEPE32 you forgot BernardJeanPierre ahh that;s right he does not live here in DR, were the day to day infernal is taking place. His one of those living abroad and comfortable were if a crime is committed there is no border line protecting the criminal. Damn that NICEE ;-), which we were that fortunate.
From: Dominican Republic
The Haitian Government has no respect for their own people. No protection...No form of contingency plans to rescue their own people. They rely heavily on International help to resolve their own internal affairs. There are so many Haitians crossing the border over to the Dominican Republic to seek somewhat of a better life but only to face fierce discrimination and rejection. I am Haitian, but as harsh as it may seem, I don't blame the Dominicans for expelling and deporting us back to our country. The Dominicans have helped a great deal during the earthquake, and it is time now for the Haitian Government to do something for their people. That is by creating jobs and creating special incentives to get those citizens who have left after the earthquake back into their country. The Haitian Government should use some of the massive money received from the International community to open up some factories to give these people something to do inside their own country.
From: Dominican Republic
The Haitian Government should use some of the massive money received from the International community to open up some factories to give these people something to do inside their own country in order for them to earn a living and at the same time gaining confidence into themselves and eventually be proud of who they are and the history they represent as a nation.
Crossing over the border over to the Dominican Republic and giving up their own homeland as a lifeless piece of land is not the solution. The same piece of earth that is in the Dominican Republic is the same earth that is in Haiti. The Dominicans made it work for them; the Haitian should make it work for them too. Thousands of Haitian mothers and fathers are sending their children into the Dominican Republic to attend the Universities. The fact is, you cannot learn in a discriminatory environment. The Dominicans are not that smarter than Haitians, but at least they make it work for them.
From: Dominican Republic
They open their country for investments, which create jobs and infrastructures. The Haitians can do the same, but they are so caught up in being proud of their ancestral history that in the end they end up doing nothing.
Things they do well are fierce debates, on air arguments, tire burnings, fighting amongst politicians. Their radio stations play music all day as if their country is not in any urgent state. The politicians are not addressing or making it a priority to handle the dire situations. They are so many Haitians Radio stations in Haiti, such as Radio Carraibes, Radio Metropole, Radio Soleil, Radio National ect.. yet none of them take on the subject of “Deportation of Haitians from the Dominican Republic” seriously. No Politicians make any attempts to address the Haitian congress (if there is one..) to address this serious issue and seek out remedies for it. Frankly I don’t think the authorities of this country understand the notion of being a nation.
From: Dominican Republic
They all care for their own family and that is it! Most Haitian politicians send their own children to the United-States, Canada, Europe or to the Dominican Republic with a visa for their education. Because they know their country has nothing to offer. These politicians are also part of the problem; the Haitian government should block their visas and prevent their children also from traveling abroad, that way they will be forced to work hard, fix their country and not to rely on others. The whole country’s budget is based on International Help. The plan for the Haitian mass people is to get as much visas as possible to travel to the Dominican Republic and send their kids to school there….
From: Dominican Republic
Haiti has received so much money after the earthquake and will continue to receive so much more, some of that money should be put also toward taking back those poor people living in the bateys and in the poor streets of Santiago and elsewhere in the Dominican Republic and bring them home by creating jobs for them. Haiti used to have a sugar cane industry named (HASCO), which used to provided thousands of jobs to local Haitians, but this whole industry was dismantled with collaboration of corrupted politicians like (Lesly Delatour). Those large scale industries that can create jobs in the country should be restored
From: Dominican Republic
The Haitian mothers and fathers should stop bringing their children into the Dominican Republic in hopes of a better education. Those young children are too much exposed to discrimination by the Dominicans. Haiti has a good education system too, instead of giving up on their own country by going to the Dominican Republic, they should stay in their country and press their Haitian government to help them and create a working and stable environment for them. If you want to have a future in your country, that is where to start. Crumbling another country by giving up on your own and bring all of your burden along with you to them is not the solution.
From: Dominican Republic
The Dominicans should continue taking aggressive actions to send those Haitians back to their homeland, because sooner or later it will be too late and there will be massive bloodshed on the streets where Dominicans with machetes and guns will be going around their country on a killing spree expelling Haitians from various barrios from their homeland as history dictate us. The Haitian Government should take their responsibility. It is always better to teach someone how to set a net to catch fish then to simply provide them fish.
Haitians should leave the Dominican Republic before the Dominicans’ independence Day, which I believe is on February 27, because there may be many attacks on Haitians from Dominicans who believe that their country would have been farther ahead had they not been occupied by Haitians....
From: Dominican Republic
It is so amazing that they are so many bright and intelligent Haitian people all over the world, yet their country still remains one the worst country in the western Hemisphere. The problem is All young men and young women in Haiti has one thing in their mind, leave their country to go the United States or other country abroad. After the earthquake, many of them simply go the Dominican Republic because it is so close and because their border is so porous. If this trend continues, the country sooner or later will have no one inside of it capable of forming a decent government (if they are not already there at this point).
From: United States
Im glad you see an upside about my comment but iu have to say the us is not rich at all ! we are 14 trillion dollars in debt but so on so forth i think that yes i this point in tim DR should resolve their own problems about haiti but i dont believe that it should be solved with violence honestly! I think that dominican republic government obviously has look after its people but the way they are resolving things is very ignorant and inhumane as well as unfair to the haitians looking for jobs because they country is so poor they cant provide one to everyone crossing borders to the DR is their only way to at least do something and going to the US is fatal. So pretty much the us is not rich ! and why not look through the haitians perspective put yourself in their shoes
Written by: vegano, 9 Feb 2011 1:50 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Charliebrown,
The US is in Debt because they went into war in Iran (an uncalled for war) because they want to be seen a super nation. Also as a Savior, hmnm why are they deporting Haitians then? Haiti receives millions per year what happens to the monies? None of it come to DR, so really Charlie like I have told the fellow Haitians here in the capital and on this site, I have nothing personal against the Haitians but won't you (educated Haitians) be more productive in Haiti and help the Haitians prosper, and teach them not to be like termites? We all deserve to live with respect, and not worry about crime or hunger among our people. By this said I agree with the Dominican authorities and my neighbors to take any actions necessary to bring back peace and a future for the DR Kids. The right heirs to the country.
Written by: Pepe32, 9 Feb 2011 1:58 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Charliebrown ,in the fantasy world you can make everyone happy but in the real world completely conflicting interests make you pick a side and in the Haitian situation what is good for them is bad for us and vice versa so you have to decide whether you support Dominican or Haitian interests .
Put yourself in our shoes and think of our best interests and you will see that we cannot bear the burden of more more poor and backwards people than we already have . Nobody who loves DR can allow the blood of our forefathers to have been spilt in vain.
We all agree that Haitians should not be mistreated but allowing them in just because their situation is bad does not make sense for the countless Dominicans who are also living in poverty.
So you can either put yourself in Dominican shoes and understand what we feel or you can put yourself in Haitian shoes and forget about the DR but you can't have both..
From: United States
I understand i cant have my cake and eat it too. To be honest you make complete sense i have to bite my tounge and admit that . I have lived in the US all my life i really dont have that sense of "poverty"that you have here im too believe that i dont have everything in which i dont but when i go to DR every summer i step down from my thrown and i live the life your living . I cant compare my visits to DR for a couple of weeks to what you live evry single day and i am going to pick a side and i have to recognize that just because haitians went through what they did doesnt make them angels or gives them the right to over populate our country . I kudos you and all dominicans that have to live in an uncomfortable way.
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I'm with you on this one.
And the way to prevent that from happening is for the Government to do its job, in a CONSISTENT manner.
There is a part of me that feels sorry for these unfortunate people, especially the innocent children, but they have to go because we do not have the resources to provide for them. Unfortunately, the morons who drink the Kool-Aid from the international left wing media cannot grasp the situation.
I do not want violence. Yet, I fear, it is coming. The moradores of the barrios are not going to allow this to continue. It is the responsibility of the Govt to SEND THEM BACK and FAST. If the Illegasl were encroaching in the wealthy neighborhoods and causing the problems there it would have been resolved months ago!!!!
Now barrios are getting the attention of the government and demanding action and I cannot say I blame them.
From: Dominican Republic, Santiago
Toz ferina is back and that is something I do not wish on even those ignorants who criticize us for protecting ourselves.
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I hate to pick on an elderly woman,but
proctecting yourself from what ,who,.
are you at war?? with what country.
Semper fidelis................
Abuelita.
The only way to get rid or stop the Haitians from coming to you country is to chainsaw the island in half and fill the void with water and crocodiles, may be will stop the Haitian.
Otherwise resistance is futile.
Semper Fidelis.........
The best cultural movement to come out of Santiago
Pero, donde estan tus juguetes? Vete a jugar carajito, oiste?
I used to empty myself with passion about the Haitian living in our side of the island, and the I realized that these people are just trying to survive, now don't get me wrong, the law of the land has to be applied and whoever is illegal has to be deported; now, we should not blame the Haitian for making it across the Masacre river, we should blame the CESFRONT for letting them in.
Bernard it is admirable the way you carry yourself.
PEACE.
It is refreshing to read some of your comments.... Very classy!
The demographic reality is that in a short period there would be more Haitians and people of Haitian descent than Dominicans and that sir is something that we never want to see.
We don´t want kreyol to be a language taught here,we also don´t want Dessalines,Soulouqueand Boyer painted as heroes and we definitely don´t want our independence to be relinquished and least of all to the Haitians ...simple as that!
No se puede estar con Dios y con el diablo!!
Please equip the trucks with handrails so Bernard can be satisfied and start the motors ....do this within the rule of law and treat them well but please begin deportations otherwise the Haitians will face an angry populace who will not consider human rights and the whole thing can spiral out of control. The island is a tinderbox and those who wish to stop or slow down the deportations will be responsible for the ensuing bloodshed.
This is the reality folks ,no matter what others say the situation is reaching a critical point and the pressure can only be relieved with large scale visible and continuos deportations and enforcement and no amount of wishful thinking will change that..
But since it is REAL LIFE it is our country that is directly threatened and since you keep saying you are not Haitian and you obviously are not Dominican then you obviously DON"T care about my country or you don't understand that pushing the Dominican Republic into a deep crisis will not help Haiti,it will only make the whole island into a hellhole. You should not be in DT ,you should be pushing the French ,Canadian,American and other rich countries but we CANNOT stand the BURDEN of all the Haitians and having empathy for the poor family next door shouldn't mean you lose your own house.
You come late and ignorant into an old problem and I can tell you that to continue to delay the deportations risks violent outbreaks especially given the already unbearable conditions in DR.
I firmly believe that no matter how much money is poured into Haiti it will not improve and I don't want to see my country dragged down with Haiti no matter how much "empathy" I may feel ...I am not suicidal!
A man who is barely keeping his head above water tries to save a man who cannot swim and they both drown!
It's obvious that someone that feels that others "owe" something to them is not going to be grateful yet if the international community just left Haiti on its own nature would have wiped most of Haiti off the face of the earth .DR has been invaded multiple times ,by Haiti,Spain.US with Haiti alone accumulating over 5 invasions with a scortched earth policy and a genocidal bent yet I would still say that most of the problems in DR are our fault ,but the "sinverguenzas" dressed as "humanitarians" would have us believe that Haiti is where it is at MAINLY because of others and that their formation as a race based ,ignorance spawning republic is only a minor cause .
BJP understand it once and for all ,the Haitians have done us way more harm than we have to them and we cannot and will not take the fall for Haiti !!
"Although Dominican Republic's level level of development is far beyond Haiti's, it's still a country of the developing world, with its needs & problems in education,health".."It's a burden for (D.R.) that the International community must somehow mitigate".."so there must be more support since there's THE NOTION (writers emphasis) that some of the Haitian population's problems or a part of them are solved in the Dominican Rep." The Secretary General, who is from Chile, eloquently pointed out this fact on Nov. 4, 2009 months before the earthquake in neighboring Haiti.
The crux of the argument is that while we all understand Haiti's problems many of them existed before the earthquake and while I and most of my countrymen are more than willing to help Haitians in Haiti destroying our country in the process is not something we are willing to do Haiti is the drowning man and we can throw a rope to them but we cannot drown alongside Haiti .
So we can find a way to help Haitians in Haiti but we will not and cannot allow Haiti to destroy us in the process !
Lets just keep taking them all out!!! Soon the whole world will look at DR as the bad ones. Get them all out so they can get the help they deserve. If they stay here in they are only using up medical care and education that should be for us and our children
I am also glad you are helping Haitians in the US but the problem in DR is not a handful ,it is millions and we are not a rich nation like the US so every penny spent on Haiti is a penny less for Dominican children for schools,Health care etc.
The Haitian Elites
The Dominican Elites
The international community
Those who push for unification or for DR to assume the burden of Haiti's problems
The Dominican government
The haitian government
The Haitians who feel they have a RIGHT to cross over on our side and who feel this is their territory
Am I missing anyone??
Crossing over the border over to the Dominican Republic and giving up their own homeland as a lifeless piece of land is not the solution. The same piece of earth that is in the Dominican Republic is the same earth that is in Haiti. The Dominicans made it work for them; the Haitian should make it work for them too. Thousands of Haitian mothers and fathers are sending their children into the Dominican Republic to attend the Universities. The fact is, you cannot learn in a discriminatory environment. The Dominicans are not that smarter than Haitians, but at least they make it work for them.
Things they do well are fierce debates, on air arguments, tire burnings, fighting amongst politicians. Their radio stations play music all day as if their country is not in any urgent state. The politicians are not addressing or making it a priority to handle the dire situations. They are so many Haitians Radio stations in Haiti, such as Radio Carraibes, Radio Metropole, Radio Soleil, Radio National ect.. yet none of them take on the subject of “Deportation of Haitians from the Dominican Republic” seriously. No Politicians make any attempts to address the Haitian congress (if there is one..) to address this serious issue and seek out remedies for it. Frankly I don’t think the authorities of this country understand the notion of being a nation.
Haitians should leave the Dominican Republic before the Dominicans’ independence Day, which I believe is on February 27, because there may be many attacks on Haitians from Dominicans who believe that their country would have been farther ahead had they not been occupied by Haitians....
The US is in Debt because they went into war in Iran (an uncalled for war) because they want to be seen a super nation. Also as a Savior, hmnm why are they deporting Haitians then? Haiti receives millions per year what happens to the monies? None of it come to DR, so really Charlie like I have told the fellow Haitians here in the capital and on this site, I have nothing personal against the Haitians but won't you (educated Haitians) be more productive in Haiti and help the Haitians prosper, and teach them not to be like termites? We all deserve to live with respect, and not worry about crime or hunger among our people. By this said I agree with the Dominican authorities and my neighbors to take any actions necessary to bring back peace and a future for the DR Kids. The right heirs to the country.
Put yourself in our shoes and think of our best interests and you will see that we cannot bear the burden of more more poor and backwards people than we already have . Nobody who loves DR can allow the blood of our forefathers to have been spilt in vain.
We all agree that Haitians should not be mistreated but allowing them in just because their situation is bad does not make sense for the countless Dominicans who are also living in poverty.
So you can either put yourself in Dominican shoes and understand what we feel or you can put yourself in Haitian shoes and forget about the DR but you can't have both..