LONDON. - Amnesty International on Friday urged the Dominican Republic Government to immediately halt the resumed expulsions of undocumented immigrants, as part of the measures to prevent the spread of cholera.
Citing official Dominican Government statements, the human rights organization mentions the more than 950 Haitians, many of them undocumented, repatriated to Haiti just in the last week.
“Haiti continues recovering from a devastating natural disaster. Instead of forcing people to return to a desperate situation, the Dominican Republic and other countries should increase their efforts to help Haiti and its people,” said AI special advisor Javier Zúñiga.
The call come one year after the devastating earthquake that left more than 250,000 dead and 1.9 million homeless in Haiti, after which the Dominican authorities suspended the expulsions for humanitarian reasons.
The UN estimates that 600,000 undocumented Haitians lived in the Dominican Republic before the quake, according to Amnesty, and regrets that the migratory status for many of them "isn’t clear."
“No one should be expelled without determining their migratory status individually, and any Haitian suspected of having cholera should receive suitable medical treatment, not be deported," Zúñiga added. "To repatriate people is to condemn them to a situation in which their health and safety will be at serious risk."
From: Dominican Republic, Puerto Plata
It's not about cholera, it's about being illegally in foreign country.
Why doesn't the UN ask the US to stop deporting illegal Mexicans on account of the narco war raging in the northern states??
The answer will be: it's not about he narco war, it's about being illegally in a foreign country.
Scrape off the peanut butter, man. You're losing sight of the toast.
Written by: Atabey, 8 Jan 2011 9:29 AM
From: United States, NYC
Well, said WalterPolo. I don't understand how the government of LF has not mounted a Campaign to address this unfair treatment of the sovereign right of the State to deal with a massive migration problem. It's simply incredible to see this issue unfolding and the clear discriminatory stance of many outside agencies/organizations to the plight of the DR. Why this is so is that the World Community basically treats DR as some unworthy nation-state to begin with. No reason to address its sovereign rights because all those rights are conditioned on outside pressure and the WC can exert that pressure and bend DR to its knees, if need be. So they think. Unlike France and the US, the DR can be forced into compliance. I say time for LF and the gang to get smart and do right for the DR. Time and again point out that x,y,z nations do as much or more and are not subject, nor do they cow-down to the pressure of the WC. DR has done more good for Haiti than many other nations.
From: United States, FEEL THE RUSH...RIDE YOUR MTB!
Here comes the bad PR for the DR.
Written by: martin, 8 Jan 2011 9:45 AM
From: United States, boston to S.P.M 23
Amnesty the USA hav it why the UN ask them amnesty with the mexican and ask the british and french for it with the african pllzzz
From: Dominican Republic
Perhaps AI should better channel their concerns to the 100's of millions of dollars that have gone unaccounted for over the past year in Haiti and the warehouses full of aid that due to bickering between agencies like themselves, has done nothing for the Haitian people in distress.
Written by: julay, 8 Jan 2011 10:17 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Dear Amnesty International, will you please pay for their room and board, medical insurance and entertainment. If so, we'll gladly stop. Unfortunately our economy can barely afford to keep up with Dominicans. Thanks,
Written by: matador, 8 Jan 2011 10:38 AM
From: United States, www.brugal-ron.com/home.php
Londo have no Jurisdiction in OUR country and its laws, so if they care some much about the Haitian they can come a take them to their country.
Written by: Atabey, 8 Jan 2011 10:51 AM
From: United States, NYC
Again, provide Visas to first world nations would make the greatest and fastest positive impact on the lives of Haitians. If you listen to economists they will say that there is no better way to uplift the lives of a person, family than to offer them a chance to live in a society with good opportunities to develop their talents. Haiti does not have these conditions, the advance nation states still have these in abundance. All it would take is for nations like France, the USA, Canada, Europe, and the Francophone World Community to come up with say 100,000 Visas. This numbers is not that unreasonable if you think about it. And doing so for say 10 years would greatly assist Haiti's development and future prospects.
Written by: Rainman, 8 Jan 2011 10:52 AM
From: United States
The Hatian repatriation has nothing to do with immigration, many white European investors overstay in the country and are not kicked out because they are bringing money to the economy. Many drug dealers call DR home as well as many other crooks with money to invest and spent of course and are not kicked out either
From: Dominican Republic, Santiago
Another example of the Fariseos. Hypocricy at it's best. If Amnesty Intl is so concerned why don't they subsidize DR and help provide the services to help the Haitians. The problem is multifaceted but in the end the average Dominican is the one who suffers because of the illegals. It is outrageous that USA deports Mexicans and no one says STOP. Why should DR keep and become responsible for illegals when DR does not have the resources for our own people????? Send them back and enforce the laws. If the laws need to be changedc then change them. I am tired of the problem in Santiago especially around the Historic area. I no longer feel safe shopping when I leave work.
From: Dominican Republic, Santiago
Another example of the Fariseos. Hypocricy at it's best. If Amnesty Intl is so concerned why don't they subsidize DR and help provide the services to help the Haitians. The problem is multifaceted but in the end the average Dominican is the one who suffers because of the illegals. It is outrageous that USA deports Mexicans and no one says STOP. Why should DR keep and become responsible for illegals when DR does not have the resources for our own people????? Send them back and enforce the laws. If the laws need to be changedc then change them. I am tired of the problem in Santiago especially around the Historic area. I no longer feel safe shopping when I leave work.
Written by: telemeco, 8 Jan 2011 11:33 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Monte Plata
Written by: xfactor, 8 Jan 2011 11:45 AM
From: United States
Dear Amnesty International, want to help the Haitians? Go to Haiti and shut up. There's plenty to do there. I stand by Dominican Republic.
From: Dominican Republic, Santiago
Go Xfactor. I am Dominicana and proud to be. Haiti is not our responsibility. Until we as a country are able to provide for all Dominicans then deport them back to Haiti. If anyone wants to help the Haitians, do so. What about helping DR ?? We cannot absorb the burden this problem is creating. Help the Haitians in their own country.
From: United States
Nice way to get drunking preval and his pack or raqueteers off the hook
From: United States
The Dominican Republic is just as much of a sovereign State/Nation as the United States is. But the repatriation (kicking out basically) of Haitians is not the same to what happens in the US with lets say illegal Mexicans. @WalterPolo - The Narco Drug problem is related to CRIME not Health Conditions or even Living Conditions. What is happening in DR is that Haitians are being rounded up in certain areas indiscriminately and sent back to Haiti. This DOES NOT nor HAS NOT happened in the US - once the new Arizona Law goes into effect - things might be different. Once an illegal person is CAUGHT for a crime, or doing something against the law then 1) they are giving judicial process and IF found guilty THEN it is decided IF to deport them or not. The Dominican situation is not like that. It is just a gathering up of Haitians and kicking them out without any process.
Written by: Pepe32, 8 Jan 2011 12:40 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Bernard ,no process is needed ,if the person is in the country ILLEGALY then they have already broken a law and violated the sovreignty of DR. The only requirement is that this be done HUMANELY otherwise you and AI have no right to stick your noses into what is a LEGAL and SOVEREIGN action.
Any nation that complains should be willing to take in at least 100k Haitians otherwise they should shut the f.. up !
From: United States
If you are in the country illegally you can be deported. This is a risk you take not coming into any country legally. When times get tough and the country cracks down on illegals you either move on or go home. If not you take the risks and accept the punishment.
Written by: ateo2010 
, 8 Jan 2011 1:27 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Owning Noobs
F@KK ! Amnesty International!, who cares what they say this is our country not theirs to tell us what to do. We will continue deporting this parasites until there's is no one left, you step a foot back and you'll get annihilated.
From: United States, Brooklyn
what in the hell do these people expect out of us? Do they think we're rich or something
GET'EM ALL OUT
Written by: ny4life, 8 Jan 2011 2:44 PM
From: United States, New York, NY
WHat other process do you want???? It is being done humanely. You have violated the Laws for being ILLEGAL, you are taken in humanely and processed at the border in Haiti.
I don't understand what else you HAITIANS want. Every soverign nation has the right to deport illegals in a humane way which is what DR is doing!!!
You guys cry wolf on the techniques but you know its being done in a HUMANE manner. We are not the USA or any other FIRST world nation but we try to strictly abide by human rights standards and procedures much more so than what occurs in HAITI.
HAITIANS want to stay in the DR and are joining the fight with AI. It's going to be a battle and DR has to assume the challenge and excerise its right as a state to protect its citizens.
Deport all ILLEGALS and have a clear immigration policy towards Haiti period.
As of now, all of HAITI would come to DR because nothing is being done in HAITI and DR CAN'T allow that to happen.
Written by: vegano, 8 Jan 2011 2:45 PM
From: Dominican Republic
I been reading the post for couple months already its about time we started removing the hatians but with respect. Those that act up video tape them acting up then beat them down like the white American does with an Hispanic or African American. The point its the only Haiti will get help if they gohome. If they stay in the DR Haiti won't receive the help they need. also the hatians schools should stop saying that Haiti is one country. if our fathers los trinitarios would have finished the job back then it would have been one strong and powerful country and the envy of all the other nations.
Written by: ny4life, 8 Jan 2011 2:46 PM
From: United States, New York, NY
Tell Haitians and the powers to handle the situation and Haiti.
DR can't do it. We are not capable of fixing Haiti. It's for Haitians to do with the IC.
Written by: juanb, 8 Jan 2011 2:49 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Fix Haiti?
We can't fix ourselves.
Written by: ny4life, 8 Jan 2011 4:06 PM
From: United States, New York, NY
Pelegrin Castillo 2012
Un hombre que quiere defender la patria. Partido FNP
Esa es la mejor opsicon. LF y PLD van a seguir complaciendo al mundo y menos a los dominicanos y PRD Miguel Vargas son empleadores de ILLEGALES y apoyan la migracion. Votaremos por un hombre que es contra la migracion ILLEGAL y quiere defender el pueblo y implementar la leyes de migracion.
Si quiere un cambio y un hombre que va a enfrentar el problema migatorio con valentia voten por
Pelegrin Castillo
2012
Partido FNP
From: United States
Haitians go to the Dominican Republic the SAME reason Dominican go to Nueva Yol - to search for a better opportunity. If they come to the Country illegally then yes the Dominican Republic has the 'right' to deport them. But what the International community is up in arms about is the mistreatment, negligence and lack of any consistent procedure or process. The Government benefits off the cheap labor of Haitians but has done NOTHING to install some type of temporary/guest worker program. So then when the 'problem' gets inconvenient, they want to kick everybody out, and that is not just, nor responsible. Nobody is trying to step on the Sovereignty of the Dominican Republic. But if a person (or group) mishandles a situation because of greed and negligence, they can't get surprised when somebody else calls them out on it. Humanity should come before ANY Flag. Haiti needs help right now.
Written by: airgordo, 8 Jan 2011 5:22 PM
From: Dominican Republic
is not a "right", is a RIGHT without ""...the benefits from illegal inmigration happens EVERYWHERE, that's why it continues and will continue, so that is NOTHING NEW...they don't want to, they HAVE TO kick everybody out, in fact if they did their jobs securing the border THIS and the Santiago issue, would have NEVER happened!! the procedure is SIMPLE, you get caught, you are illegal, you are sent back home...in reality, you would just cross the massacre again until the next time, this over and over....actually haitians are treated very humanly, we don't even jail people for YEARS for re entering the DR illegally like some first world countries, ie USA...
Written by: Rainman, 8 Jan 2011 5:54 PM
From: United States
So much sensitivity in this forum, am sure many of the posters who celebrate treating hatians as nothing more than animals hauling them in trucks to the border even if they are seek are the same ones that will go to church tomorrow to profess their good faith. Once again why not get rid of every illegal including many that have money and are white .
Why not give them the necessary medical care for those in need instead of condemning them to death by sending them back to haiti sick and without hope. Then again is only my opinion
Written by: Pepe32, 8 Jan 2011 5:56 PM
From: Dominican Republic
"Why am I wasting a beautiful Saturday like this"
It's not a beautiful day in Haiti ...perhaps you should actually do something for Haiti for a change instead of wasting your time in a Dominican forum but like so many Haitians you prefer to work with the illusion of Haiti but when it comes to the real thing its "tennis anyone"!
Written by: Rainman, 8 Jan 2011 6:00 PM
From: United States
By the way am not in favor or illegal immigration at all, it is a violation of the law and every country has the right to enforce it's law and protect it's borders, am looking at the extraordinary circumstances given the epidemic in haiti and the devastation caused by the earthquake, why not treat these people more humanely.
Written by: vegano, 8 Jan 2011 6:09 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Pepe32 well said the hatians on this site just come on to complain but don't go to Haiti to help. They just want to play LOL
Written by: Pepe32, 8 Jan 2011 6:25 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Rainman ,they are being treated humanely but the reality is that Dr is a poor nation that cannot support its own people and definately cannot support an even poorer and more problematic population .What is it about this that you and others don't understand??
I feel bad for Haiti but my first and foremost priority is the Dominican people and the Dominican nation ,if you really want to help Haitians ,help them in Haiti or at least pressure Mr. Obama to take in at least 100.000 Haitians into the US but while you are here putting pressure on a poor country with a frail infrastructure the US has resumed deportations of Haitians from the US and countries throughout the world are tightening their immigration laws.
We cannot and will not be the dumping ground for a problem that we did not create and which is a threat to our existance as a nation. We will do what we have to do and if the government does not take action people will be forced to take matters into their own hands!
Written by: Pepe32, 8 Jan 2011 6:26 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Yes Vegano ,Haitianfromtrindidad is worried about his backhand instead of his starving people!
From: United States, Port Washington, LI (New York)
A new theory cameout recently that Dominican goverment is working to merge both countries:
http://www.diariof27.com/articulo,10959,html
If true is going to be messed up !!!!
Written by: Pepe32, 8 Jan 2011 8:13 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Rubirosa,it is not a new theory ,read la isla al reves by Joaquin
Balaguer.
From: United States, Port Washington, LI (New York)
Bernardjeanpierre:
No even the US is willing to meet your requests with other nationalities so it is quite unrealistic on the other side of the token Dominicans had enough already listening to people like you comparing apples to pears or even worse no realizing that you have to demand rights and else
from your own goverment or France no the Dominican Republic; We never invade Haiti but the
other way around this is without counting all the black non sense brutality from your people against innocent Dominicas.
From: United States
Usually the argument (pro-deportation) is that the Haitians are illegal. Ok, fair enough, but my point is be CONSISTENT. The Gov is so quick to deport Haitians, rounding them up like Cattle, but what about all the other foreigners who have Tourist Cards with expiration dates in the 90's!! Nobody says anything to them. Haitians are in the Dominican Republic out of neccesity, so its not like they don't work or are not productive, they do MANY of the jobs that Dominicans (at least some) do not care to do. Secondly, it is said that the Dominican Republic can barely support its own, so any extra population creates a problem. But when you consider all of the MILLIONS of dollars wasted by the corrupt Government, you begin to see the bigger picture. Haitians are no more a burden than the Government is a burden unto it self. If deportation is the only way, fine, but don't turn around and accept bribes to allow more Haitians to come and then turn BACK around and deport them. Injustice.
Written by: cantave, 8 Jan 2011 9:27 PM
From: United States, !<82ndAbd>!Lt.Tigah>Fort Bragg>North Carolina, U.S>Platoon Leader>Tactical Hardcore.
Written by: JRRubirosa, 8 Jan 2011 7:35 PM
From: United States, Port Washington, LI (New York)
A new theory cameout recently that Dominican goverment is working to merge both countries:
http://www.diariof27.com/articulo,10959,html
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Bullcrap!!!!
Where you got that crap from.
No unification what so ever.
Hispanola 29530 sq mi (76483 sq km) will never be united .
Semper Fidelis......................
Written by: vegano, 8 Jan 2011 9:33 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Fellow Haitians just step to the plate go to Haiti and help stop all the violence and rape going on in haiti. These same criminals u want in my countryside please
From: United States, OMNIPRESENT. El Cantinero de Jarabacoa. "Aguilucho desde Chiquitito"
My country is doing what is best for herself and keeping in ordinance with the law is the answer. Illegal immigration is a crime and will be met with a firm hand. This is the answer for our country to continue to progress in keeping up with the future of our people. Pelegrin Castillo for president in the 2012 elections. La voz del pueblo. El futuro de nuestra gente.
From: Dominican Republic, Civil Rights and Peace Activist for Our Dominican People
We are the "ONLY COUNTRY IN THE WORLD" that has such tremendous problem of having an enormous amount of unwelcome people coming solely from ONE country, and none the less the least smart and backward nation in the Western hemisphere.
If WE Dominicans had a balance pool of immigrants like the one US and other European nations have, this would not be a problem at all, but, the number of the "not-so-smart people" coming to our third wold nation just will held us back i n the future generations.
Soooo, If Amnesty international want to Help the Haitians, why don't they start by taking each of them from my country and take them to London, USA, France, Canada, and the rest of the nations that open their mouth to point fingers at us. A VERY SIMPLE THING TO DO.
From: United States, words of wisdom from the nutcracker
typical neo liberal scumbags , amnesty international when is enough ,enough, Dr allows illegal haitians to enter the country , we give you healthcare , we help your country during the disaster! its time for your haitians government to take responsibility.
Written by: MarkS, 9 Jan 2011 5:53 AM
From: Dominican Republic, w/a NY State mailing address
"Amnesty International asks Dominican Republic to halt expulsion of Haitians"
Ship the Haitians to be cared for and employed by Amnesty Int'l then, putting them onto their property. I believe this is in London.
Ppl just don't get it, illegal is illegal - and wrong. It's a simple (non-racist) concept.
From: United States, OMNIPRESENT. El Cantinero de Jarabacoa. "Aguilucho desde Chiquitito"
Por los problemas que hemos tenido a lo Largo de nuestra historia
Con el pueblo Haitiano, tenemos que tener un presidente patriota
Que ponga Orden en La Frontera. Despues de tanto nadar nö podemo
Ahogarno en La orilla. Pelegrin Castillo 2012-2016
From: United States
@poponlaburra - They ONLY difference is education NOT capacity for intelligence.
Written by: mjsd82, 9 Jan 2011 8:25 AM
From: United States
Why people waste their time arguing with haitians, don't you know it doesn't matter how many times you tell' em Haiti is not our responsibility they will continue pushing their "Please Help Haiti" campaign. Hospitals for pregnant haitians in DR is not enough? Schools for haitians kids in DR with free food is not enough? The haitians on this website won't even go to haiti; that's the sad part. Deport all of them !!!!
Written by: dioni81, 9 Jan 2011 1:42 PM
From: United States
que cabro******* son la UN and y todo lo que dicen que hay que tener amnesty international con los Haitiano y por que no le dicen a estado unidos que paren las deportaciones alos latinos americano.....F**** the UN
Written by: curlando, 9 Jan 2011 1:49 PM
From: United States, Bronx
I wish the USA would stop every illegal immigrant and send them back to South America and Mexico.
Forget Amnesty International.
Written by: Rainman, 9 Jan 2011 2:39 PM
From: United States
I will love to see the reaction if the New York Times publishes pictures of dominicans being transported in trucks like cattle to kenedy or la guardia for repatriation to DR. Come on is hypocritical to be against the illegal immigration of hatians into DR but not against immigration of Dominicans into the US. Illegal immigration is the same everywhere.
Written by: Pepe32, 9 Jan 2011 3:33 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Rainman,I think you actually read the posts in this forum,NOBODY has denied the right of the US to deport ILLEGAL Dominicans !
As far as the trucks used to transport them ,we don't have the resources that the US has to transport ILLEGALS first class! Perhaps you would like to donate to a fund to provide comfortable buses to the border with meals and drinks......you are in a fantasy world my friend.
The reality is that all of you make excuses about every detail but the bottom line is that you don't want Haitians deported and in that sense we will never agree because even if we flew every Haitian out first class you would complain!
Written by: yumnuk3, 9 Jan 2011 4:32 PM
From: United States, ø„¸¨°º¤ø„¸¸„ø¤º°¨¸„ø¤º°¨
From: Dominican Republic, San Carlos, barrio de matatanes, aqui no invente
Compatriotaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Don't let the Haitian hate wagon roll over you, pay no mind to the trolls and afro-lambon crew
If DR doesn't do anything about the excessive population growth on our side of the island both nations would collapse in 25 yrs.
pa que nos jodamos nosotros que se jodan ellos
From: United States, Port Washington, LI (New York)
old_school_trinitario:
Very patriotic and realistic comments Trinitario brother !
"Dios, Patria y Libertad"
Written by: riosm, 9 Jan 2011 9:56 PM
From: United States
Amnesty International prove you have some........house, feed and provide health care for the Haitians or help send them to SP camp.
Written by: Rainman, 10 Jan 2011 1:11 AM
From: United States
Pepe you are completely wrong on your appreciation of my point of view, first I am a firm believer that when you illegally enter a country, any country you are in violation of the law and you should be subject to penalties and deported, since doing anything different negates the purpose of the process of legal immigration.
Having said that, humanity has to play a role in certain circumstances, in this case the Haiti has suffered one blow after another and even if it is an unwanted burden to the Dominican Republic is inevitable that it has to be dealt with, maybe the answer will be for other countries to help not only Haiti but also DR to deal with this, not just dump these people back at the border while they are still sick.
I have for your information contributed within my possibilities in helping hatians in their moment of crisis, am sure I dont have to ask what you have done.
Written by: BLANCO, 10 Jan 2011 9:59 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Perhaps AI should better channel their concerns to the 100's of millions of dollars that have gone unaccounted for over the past year in Haiti and the warehouses full of aid that due to bickering between agencies like themselves, has done nothing for the Haitian people in distress.
TOUCHE!!!!!!
Written by: xwill7, 10 Jan 2011 12:20 PM
From: United States, El cuarto bate
Interesting how the articles regarding Haiti get the most comments... Should this be Haititoday? lol
Written by: telemeco, 10 Jan 2011 12:53 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Monte Plata
Rainman
Maybe the US, Canada, France, Mexico should open they door and allow 100.000 haitian within they territory until haiti is rebuild, whenever that is going to happen...
My question is, how many of those will stay behind and never return. ?
Written by: pedromhb, 10 Jan 2011 4:23 PM
From: Dominican Republic
I don' see any nation doing anything for Haiti except. DR, where are the french who took advantage of haiti when it was their colony? What are the british doing except talking? Haitians shoul be in Haiti where they belong, they don't want any of our help, when they feel like it they had burned entire trucks of aid for their people. If they are ilegal on DR deport them all just like USA or any other nation deports their ilegals.
From: Dominican Republic, San Carlos, barrio de matatanes, aqui no invente
trinihaiti
the tension is not between haiti and DR, the tension is between DR and the international community that has not been able to fund the haitian nation or help the population that was displaced by the earthquake, like always the international community is determined to let DR holding la papa caliente and deal with the tsunami of hungry and desperate haitians.
We deport haitians in a very rude and descriminate matter in the past, this time is been done with respect and dignity to the best of our abilities and resources but make no mistake about it, mass deportation is in line and happening as we type, so the next time you visit DR make sure you stay inside the resort and call your relatives to come see you.
that's how the haitian diaspora do it , long distance love
Written by: Atabey, 10 Jan 2011 5:22 PM
From: United States, NYC
Trini,
I don't buy that. I think Uncle Sam wants to run the show via its international institutions, the WB, IMF, IDB, etc. Uncle Sam also gets mighty angry and expresses it by withholding resources when they don't get their way, as happened when MUCH needed help to construct Haiti's water-treatment facilities got tied-up in "red-tape" in the early 1990s. So, I don't think its the US wanting DR and Haiti to tear at each other, as much as the US wanting its way with *)how the funds are going to be used?
** and who will be doing the disbursements? ***what follow up will enhance program success?
So much has been lost in Haiti by elite inaction and connivance that it makes people uneasy about committing further resources into the pot.
As I've stated before, the World Community would do best for Haiti by providing Visas to richer environments. Haitians are talented and skilled if given a chance. The first world should extend Visas. The French could do so by the 10000s.
Written by: RoyStone, 10 Jan 2011 6:08 PM
From: Australia
Haiti has a Cholera epidemic due to poor sanitation, exacerbated by the earthquake. The Dominican Republic’s water supply and sewerage system is not much better. The Bubonic Plague that killed millions around the world was spread by infected people trying to flee the plague. If the epidemic spreads to the Dominican Republic it will not stop there. Haitians, like many Dominican Republicans, long to be in what they think is Utopia, driving a taxi in Miami.
Listen to left-wingers like AI and UN (preaching from their air-conditioned ivory towers) and you will end up with a left-wing government like we now have in Australia. We now have boatloads of Islamic immigrants covertly brought by Indonesian people-smugglers to our shores. Those found to be illegal are still entitled to be fed, housed, clothed, counselled and medically treated and to have appeals up through the courts at our expense.
Written by: RoyStone, 10 Jan 2011 6:12 PM
From: Australia
I have not seen AI criticising the Haitian boarder officials demanding bribes to allow aid trucks in, or criticising other Haitian officials for stealing much of the aid to sell on the black market. Haiti has rightfully received millions in aid, but what have they to show for it? Haiti was once the richest colony in the Americas. Now it’s the poorest country. Sure some of the wealth went to France long ago, and is still going to the Vatican (and more recently the Evangelical Churches), but maybe the biggest thieves are amongst their own wealthy classes?
From: Botswana, La reconnaissance est une lachete'
Its very easy to ring the alarm bell and cry bloody murder from your posh office in London when you do not have to deal with the day to day reality on the ground. This is the same set that was claiming massacres in Cite Soleil and Belair when the UN and the PNH had to go into these no go areas under heavy fire power to deal with Mr Aristide's arm thugs that were terrorizing the Capital circle 2005-2006 since their Patron was gone and extortion and kidnappings became their main source of income instead of terrorizing political opponents as Lavalas henchmen.
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Written by: cantave, 10 Jan 2011 8:48 PM
From: United States, !<82ndAbd>!Lt.Tigah>Fort Bragg>North Carolina, U.S>Platoon Leader>Tactical Hardcore.
poponlaburra!!!
You are stereotyping my friend assuming that all haitians are "not-so-smart people" .
look what haitians can do when given a chance to prove themselves.
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Ralph V. Gilles,Ralph Gilles President – Design, responsible for all activities of the Product Design Office. Prior to this position he was Vice President -- Jeep®/Truck, Advance Interior and Component Design. Gilles joined Chrysler in 1992 as a Designer.
President and CEO, Dodge; SVP, Product Design, Chrysler
Age: 39
Marital status: Married
Highest Education: Master's degree
Born in New York City to Haitian immigrants, Gilles started drawing cars as a toddler. He joined Chrysler right out of college and rose to Chrysler's top design spot last year, overseeing Chrysler, Dodge, and Jeep vehicles.
Amid Detroit's woes, Gilles has produced bestsellers, most notably the Chrysler 300C (a.k.a. the baby Bentley).
research before you rant craps.
Semper fidelis
Written by: cantave, 10 Jan 2011 8:52 PM
From: United States, !<82ndAbd>!Lt.Tigah>Fort Bragg>North Carolina, U.S>Platoon Leader>Tactical Hardcore.
poponlachupacabra!!!!!
Ralph V. Gilles, born on January 14, 1970 in New York, NY, is an Haitian-American automobile designer. Currently the President and CEO of the Dodge Car Brand and Senior Vice President of Design at Chrysler Group LLC, Gilles styled the 2005 Chrysler 300 — after joining Chrysler in 1992.
-2009, President and Chief Executive Officer, Dodge Car Brand, and Senior Vice President – Product Design, Chrysler Group LLC
-2009, Senior Vice President – Product Design
-2008, Vice President – Design, Chrysler LLC
-2006, Vice President – Jeep®/Truck, Color and Trim Studios, and Specialty Vehicles, Chrysler Group, DaimlerChrysler
-2005, Director – Truck Exterior/Interior Design Studio
-2001, Director – Design Office, Large Car Studio, Family Vehicles
-1999, Senior Manager – Design Office, Studio 3
-1998, Manager – Design Office, Jeep Interiors, Chrysler Corporation
-1992, Designer – Design Office
Semper fidelis..............
Written by: cantave, 10 Jan 2011 9:24 PM
From: United States, !<82ndAbd>!Lt.Tigah>Fort Bragg>North Carolina, U.S>Platoon Leader>Tactical Hardcore.
To all Dominicans on this site who hates Haitians with a passion, do not buy or drive
The Chrysler 300C (a.k.a. the baby Bentley). Because it was design buy a Haitian.
You all know, the Haitians are here to stay and there nothing or anything any one can do about it.
1000 years from now, they still will be talking about Haitians.
So too bad for the Haitians haters.
Live with it.
Semper Fidelis………………
Written by: RoyStone, 11 Jan 2011 12:06 AM
From: Australia
I am not a ¨Haitian Hater¨ , but as you said Ralph V. Gilles was born and educated in USA. Just because his parents are Haitian, doesn’t make him Haitian. Yom may as well say Barak Obama is Indonesian! Hey, didn’t Chrysler have to be bailed out by the US government, just like GM was more recently? Regardless one successful American of Haitian descent hardly overcomes the fact that Haiti was f****d before the earthquake, not by France, not by the USA, but on their own. Haiti was the richest colony in the Americas, the first to gain independence and the only one to do so by a slave revolt. Haiti has huge natural resources, fertile land, good rainfall and climate and substantial tourist potential. So if the people are so smart why is it now the poorest most backward country in the western hemisphere?
Written by: Rainman, 11 Jan 2011 1:04 AM
From: United States
shame shame hatred is bad for the soul of the hater and the hopes of they hated
Written by: RoyStone, 11 Jan 2011 2:08 AM
From: Australia
Thank you trinihaitian for the historic information and I take your points.
Most colonies, (if not all) were exploited by their colonising masters. Look at Grenville’s policies which were a primary factor leading to the American War of Independence. However they got over it and went on to become the most powerful nation on the planet. I’m no fan of the French, since they tested their nuclear explosives in our back yard, (although strictly French territory in the South Pacific) not theirs, and they blew up the Rainbow Warrior with loss of life when at a jetty in New Zealand.
Also thank you for your sympathy regarding our ¨boat-people¨ problem at Christmas Island. Our leftist government has gone soft on illegal immigration which has give then a green light to Indonesian people smugglers and their Middle-Eastern Islamic customers. Hence my advice to the Dominican Republic to protect their boarders.
Written by: riosm, 11 Jan 2011 11:23 PM
From: United States
Cbelk99,
You forgot to add.
Example: black on black murders and crime in Southern California alone in the last 60 years and counting.......yet nothing is ever said or done.
How much hate does it take ?
Written by: cantave, 11 Jan 2011 11:47 PM
From: United States, !<82ndAbd>!Lt.Tigah>Fort Bragg>North Carolina, U.S>Platoon Leader>Tactical Hardcore.
RoyStone
“Just because his parents are Haitian, doesn’t make him Haitian.”
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Well tell that to the Dominicans.
If your parents are Haitian, automatically does make him Haitian. Even you were born in the DR.
Semper Fidelis.....................
From: United States
@RoyStone - Don't conclude or imply that Haiti had these perfect conditions - good land, tourist potential, freedom, etc, and they just fumbled and messed it all up because that is not the case. You are forgetting that 1) all of these conditions did not happen simultaneously and 2) Haiti had to pay for its Freedom.
Haiti had to pay France Millions and Millions which back in that time would equate to +Billions of dollars. So even IF nothing else had happened Haiti would still have been at a GREAT disadvantage. Then you very agitated Political climate, now that at least until the 1930's could have been considered a 'Haitian problem'. However after that the International communities continued to mess with, disturb and up root Haiti's Sovereignty. The US invaded with THEIR interests in mind, not Haiti's. Then because of the poverty you had a depletion of Natural resources. And since then you have had MAJOR natural disasters. So, things are like that for a REASON.
Written by: Pepe32, 13 Jan 2011 8:05 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Written by: riosm, 13 Jan 2011 9:19 PM
From: United States
Pepe32,
Very interesting to say the least, thanks for the insight.
Written by: Pepe32, 13 Jan 2011 11:22 PM
From: Dominican Republic
No problem Rios ,that guy is funny but dead serious at the same time !
Of course the Haitians are disarmed and go into fits with that series..
Written by: riosm, 14 Jan 2011 12:35 AM
From: United States
Pepe32,
One would think with the one year aniversary of the Haitian quake Sean Penn's work would be head line feature news, I wonder why ?
Sad but true Haiti is a lost cause.....I would like see part 2.
Take care.
Written by: Pepe32, 14 Jan 2011 12:37 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Part 2 and 3 are there just look for them...it gets even better.
This series should be shown to all Haitians until reality sinks in !
Written by: riosm, 14 Jan 2011 12:46 AM
From: United States
Pepe32,
I'll try again.....I can't wait.
Thanks
Written by: Pepe32, 14 Jan 2011 8:39 AM
From: Dominican Republic
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Why doesn't the UN ask the US to stop deporting illegal Mexicans on account of the narco war raging in the northern states??
The answer will be: it's not about he narco war, it's about being illegally in a foreign country.
Scrape off the peanut butter, man. You're losing sight of the toast.
We should to send you the bill to your desk at AI....in fact here is your link,,,you could receive the bills via email,
http://report2009.amnesty.org/press-area/en/photos/javier-zu%C3%B1iga
http://www.un.org/rights/micivih/rapports/info3en.htm
This gentleman is a native of mexico giving advice to the Dominican republic, are you F^$%^%& kidding me
Any nation that complains should be willing to take in at least 100k Haitians otherwise they should shut the f.. up !
what in the hell do these people expect out of us? Do they think we're rich or something
GET'EM ALL OUT
I don't understand what else you HAITIANS want. Every soverign nation has the right to deport illegals in a humane way which is what DR is doing!!!
You guys cry wolf on the techniques but you know its being done in a HUMANE manner. We are not the USA or any other FIRST world nation but we try to strictly abide by human rights standards and procedures much more so than what occurs in HAITI.
HAITIANS want to stay in the DR and are joining the fight with AI. It's going to be a battle and DR has to assume the challenge and excerise its right as a state to protect its citizens.
Deport all ILLEGALS and have a clear immigration policy towards Haiti period.
As of now, all of HAITI would come to DR because nothing is being done in HAITI and DR CAN'T allow that to happen.
DR can't do it. We are not capable of fixing Haiti. It's for Haitians to do with the IC.
Fix Haiti?
We can't fix ourselves.
Un hombre que quiere defender la patria. Partido FNP
Esa es la mejor opsicon. LF y PLD van a seguir complaciendo al mundo y menos a los dominicanos y PRD Miguel Vargas son empleadores de ILLEGALES y apoyan la migracion. Votaremos por un hombre que es contra la migracion ILLEGAL y quiere defender el pueblo y implementar la leyes de migracion.
Si quiere un cambio y un hombre que va a enfrentar el problema migatorio con valentia voten por
Pelegrin Castillo
2012
Partido FNP
Why not give them the necessary medical care for those in need instead of condemning them to death by sending them back to haiti sick and without hope. Then again is only my opinion
It's not a beautiful day in Haiti ...perhaps you should actually do something for Haiti for a change instead of wasting your time in a Dominican forum but like so many Haitians you prefer to work with the illusion of Haiti but when it comes to the real thing its "tennis anyone"!
I feel bad for Haiti but my first and foremost priority is the Dominican people and the Dominican nation ,if you really want to help Haitians ,help them in Haiti or at least pressure Mr. Obama to take in at least 100.000 Haitians into the US but while you are here putting pressure on a poor country with a frail infrastructure the US has resumed deportations of Haitians from the US and countries throughout the world are tightening their immigration laws.
We cannot and will not be the dumping ground for a problem that we did not create and which is a threat to our existance as a nation. We will do what we have to do and if the government does not take action people will be forced to take matters into their own hands!
http://www.diariof27.com/articulo,10959,html
If true is going to be messed up !!!!
Balaguer.
No even the US is willing to meet your requests with other nationalities so it is quite unrealistic on the other side of the token Dominicans had enough already listening to people like you comparing apples to pears or even worse no realizing that you have to demand rights and else
from your own goverment or France no the Dominican Republic; We never invade Haiti but the
other way around this is without counting all the black non sense brutality from your people against innocent Dominicas.
From: United States, Port Washington, LI (New York)
A new theory cameout recently that Dominican goverment is working to merge both countries:
http://www.diariof27.com/articulo,10959,html
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Bullcrap!!!!
Where you got that crap from.
No unification what so ever.
Hispanola 29530 sq mi (76483 sq km) will never be united .
Semper Fidelis......................
If WE Dominicans had a balance pool of immigrants like the one US and other European nations have, this would not be a problem at all, but, the number of the "not-so-smart people" coming to our third wold nation just will held us back i n the future generations.
Soooo, If Amnesty international want to Help the Haitians, why don't they start by taking each of them from my country and take them to London, USA, France, Canada, and the rest of the nations that open their mouth to point fingers at us. A VERY SIMPLE THING TO DO.
Ship the Haitians to be cared for and employed by Amnesty Int'l then, putting them onto their property. I believe this is in London.
Ppl just don't get it, illegal is illegal - and wrong. It's a simple (non-racist) concept.
Con el pueblo Haitiano, tenemos que tener un presidente patriota
Que ponga Orden en La Frontera. Despues de tanto nadar nö podemo
Ahogarno en La orilla. Pelegrin Castillo 2012-2016
Forget Amnesty International.
As far as the trucks used to transport them ,we don't have the resources that the US has to transport ILLEGALS first class! Perhaps you would like to donate to a fund to provide comfortable buses to the border with meals and drinks......you are in a fantasy world my friend.
The reality is that all of you make excuses about every detail but the bottom line is that you don't want Haitians deported and in that sense we will never agree because even if we flew every Haitian out first class you would complain!
@Rainman,
US resumes deportation of illegal Haitian migrants
http://www.jamaicaobserver.com/ne....ation-of-illegal-Haitian-migrants
Haitians who live in the Bahamas illegally are being advised to prepare themselves for "voluntary repatriation" to Haiti.
http://www.tribune242.com/news/01082011_EP-Immigration-MYR_news_pg3
Don't let the Haitian hate wagon roll over you, pay no mind to the trolls and afro-lambon crew
If DR doesn't do anything about the excessive population growth on our side of the island both nations would collapse in 25 yrs.
pa que nos jodamos nosotros que se jodan ellos
Very patriotic and realistic comments Trinitario brother !
"Dios, Patria y Libertad"
Having said that, humanity has to play a role in certain circumstances, in this case the Haiti has suffered one blow after another and even if it is an unwanted burden to the Dominican Republic is inevitable that it has to be dealt with, maybe the answer will be for other countries to help not only Haiti but also DR to deal with this, not just dump these people back at the border while they are still sick.
I have for your information contributed within my possibilities in helping hatians in their moment of crisis, am sure I dont have to ask what you have done.
TOUCHE!!!!!!
Maybe the US, Canada, France, Mexico should open they door and allow 100.000 haitian within they territory until haiti is rebuild, whenever that is going to happen...
My question is, how many of those will stay behind and never return. ?
the tension is not between haiti and DR, the tension is between DR and the international community that has not been able to fund the haitian nation or help the population that was displaced by the earthquake, like always the international community is determined to let DR holding la papa caliente and deal with the tsunami of hungry and desperate haitians.
We deport haitians in a very rude and descriminate matter in the past, this time is been done with respect and dignity to the best of our abilities and resources but make no mistake about it, mass deportation is in line and happening as we type, so the next time you visit DR make sure you stay inside the resort and call your relatives to come see you.
that's how the haitian diaspora do it , long distance love
I don't buy that. I think Uncle Sam wants to run the show via its international institutions, the WB, IMF, IDB, etc. Uncle Sam also gets mighty angry and expresses it by withholding resources when they don't get their way, as happened when MUCH needed help to construct Haiti's water-treatment facilities got tied-up in "red-tape" in the early 1990s. So, I don't think its the US wanting DR and Haiti to tear at each other, as much as the US wanting its way with *)how the funds are going to be used?
** and who will be doing the disbursements? ***what follow up will enhance program success?
So much has been lost in Haiti by elite inaction and connivance that it makes people uneasy about committing further resources into the pot.
As I've stated before, the World Community would do best for Haiti by providing Visas to richer environments. Haitians are talented and skilled if given a chance. The first world should extend Visas. The French could do so by the 10000s.
Listen to left-wingers like AI and UN (preaching from their air-conditioned ivory towers) and you will end up with a left-wing government like we now have in Australia. We now have boatloads of Islamic immigrants covertly brought by Indonesian people-smugglers to our shores. Those found to be illegal are still entitled to be fed, housed, clothed, counselled and medically treated and to have appeals up through the courts at our expense.
.
You are stereotyping my friend assuming that all haitians are "not-so-smart people" .
look what haitians can do when given a chance to prove themselves.
===================================================
Ralph V. Gilles,Ralph Gilles President – Design, responsible for all activities of the Product Design Office. Prior to this position he was Vice President -- Jeep®/Truck, Advance Interior and Component Design. Gilles joined Chrysler in 1992 as a Designer.
President and CEO, Dodge; SVP, Product Design, Chrysler
Age: 39
Marital status: Married
Highest Education: Master's degree
Born in New York City to Haitian immigrants, Gilles started drawing cars as a toddler. He joined Chrysler right out of college and rose to Chrysler's top design spot last year, overseeing Chrysler, Dodge, and Jeep vehicles.
Amid Detroit's woes, Gilles has produced bestsellers, most notably the Chrysler 300C (a.k.a. the baby Bentley).
research before you rant craps.
Semper fidelis
Ralph V. Gilles, born on January 14, 1970 in New York, NY, is an Haitian-American automobile designer. Currently the President and CEO of the Dodge Car Brand and Senior Vice President of Design at Chrysler Group LLC, Gilles styled the 2005 Chrysler 300 — after joining Chrysler in 1992.
-2009, President and Chief Executive Officer, Dodge Car Brand, and Senior Vice President – Product Design, Chrysler Group LLC
-2009, Senior Vice President – Product Design
-2008, Vice President – Design, Chrysler LLC
-2006, Vice President – Jeep®/Truck, Color and Trim Studios, and Specialty Vehicles, Chrysler Group, DaimlerChrysler
-2005, Director – Truck Exterior/Interior Design Studio
-2001, Director – Design Office, Large Car Studio, Family Vehicles
-1999, Senior Manager – Design Office, Studio 3
-1998, Manager – Design Office, Jeep Interiors, Chrysler Corporation
-1992, Designer – Design Office
Semper fidelis..............
The Chrysler 300C (a.k.a. the baby Bentley). Because it was design buy a Haitian.
You all know, the Haitians are here to stay and there nothing or anything any one can do about it.
1000 years from now, they still will be talking about Haitians.
So too bad for the Haitians haters.
Live with it.
Semper Fidelis………………
Most colonies, (if not all) were exploited by their colonising masters. Look at Grenville’s policies which were a primary factor leading to the American War of Independence. However they got over it and went on to become the most powerful nation on the planet. I’m no fan of the French, since they tested their nuclear explosives in our back yard, (although strictly French territory in the South Pacific) not theirs, and they blew up the Rainbow Warrior with loss of life when at a jetty in New Zealand.
Also thank you for your sympathy regarding our ¨boat-people¨ problem at Christmas Island. Our leftist government has gone soft on illegal immigration which has give then a green light to Indonesian people smugglers and their Middle-Eastern Islamic customers. Hence my advice to the Dominican Republic to protect their boarders.
You forgot to add.
Example: black on black murders and crime in Southern California alone in the last 60 years and counting.......yet nothing is ever said or done.
How much hate does it take ?
“Just because his parents are Haitian, doesn’t make him Haitian.”
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Well tell that to the Dominicans.
If your parents are Haitian, automatically does make him Haitian. Even you were born in the DR.
Semper Fidelis.....................
Haiti had to pay France Millions and Millions which back in that time would equate to +Billions of dollars. So even IF nothing else had happened Haiti would still have been at a GREAT disadvantage. Then you very agitated Political climate, now that at least until the 1930's could have been considered a 'Haitian problem'. However after that the International communities continued to mess with, disturb and up root Haiti's Sovereignty. The US invaded with THEIR interests in mind, not Haiti's. Then because of the poverty you had a depletion of Natural resources. And since then you have had MAJOR natural disasters. So, things are like that for a REASON.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBbGwj2-hBk
Very interesting to say the least, thanks for the insight.
Of course the Haitians are disarmed and go into fits with that series..
One would think with the one year aniversary of the Haitian quake Sean Penn's work would be head line feature news, I wonder why ?
Sad but true Haiti is a lost cause.....I would like see part 2.
Take care.
This series should be shown to all Haitians until reality sinks in !
I'll try again.....I can't wait.
Thanks
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RebUp6jlEYI&feature=related
#3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c1dbJmH4t4c&feature=related