Port-au-Prince.– Haiti's Prime Minister Garry Conille announced that in the
short time since there is a government in place, many advances have
been made for those who still live in camps, and the relocation of
displaced of Champ de Mars is expected to begin in early January 2012.
Last week the International Organization for Migration (IOM) in
collaboration with the Haitian government through the Directorate of
Civil Protection conducted a campaign to identify the displaced of Champ
de Mars.
The relocation will be done certainly
through the program 16/6, where each family receives a sum of 20,000
gourdes to be able to relocate.
Written by: RonEvane, 17 Dec 2011 3:54 PM
From: United States, Gaithersburg, Maryland
{ "The relocation will be done certainly through the program 16/6, where each family receives a sum of 20,000 gourdes to be able to relocate."}
Relocate where? A-holes! They'll just use that money to buy desperately needed essentials, food, meds, etc. After the money's gone, they'll be back in the same situation as before... Nay,worse! this time, they'll have no place to live!
What needs to be done is to build prefab housing with the help of "habitat for humanity" or any other such organisation.
With all the corruption and govt abusers, the very poor will see less of the money allocated. This is a huge mistake! ....Coooñooo...Pero que gente tan estupidas!!!
Written by: kennyB, 17 Dec 2011 4:36 PM
From: United States
I can't believe what I just read.
From: United States
This is a very bad idea first these occupants never had a home to begin with Ron Evn idea would be best. And 20.000 gourds equal around 500 !$ I wonder how much is going toward new S U Vs
From: Dominican Republic, Santiago de los 30 Caballeros
What we are witnessing is what always happens when the Haitian government tries to run something – completely ignorant and incompetent that leads to terrible decision and horrendous results.
From: Dominican Republic, Santiago de los 30 Caballeros
Terrible decision.
Most poor Haitians do not have savings accounts, and many will get robbed and seriously injured by the local street gangs.
Written by: pelaut, 18 Dec 2011 8:35 AM
From: United States
Relocate to a venue near YOU.
From: Dominican Republic, NEVER FORGOTTEN, NEVER FORSAKEN!
Organization a la Haitian.
Poor people.
Written by: Yucahu, 18 Dec 2011 9:45 AM
From: United States, Miami
Shipping containers would be very good alternative to a tent. Ay these poor dumb b@$tards. They keep screwing up and DR pays for it with more stinkin immigration.
Written by: RoyStone, 18 Dec 2011 10:49 AM
From: Australia
Earthquakes are, according to insurance companies, acts of God. He must have had a good reason, so who are we to interfere?
Jesus loves you.
Allah is great.
From: United States, words of wisdom from the nutcracker
They will use that money to buy machetes to cut our trees and destroy more of our ecosystem , it all starts with the haitian government , they are so ass backwards when it comes to running a government , they are seriously hopeless
Written by: RoyStone, 18 Dec 2011 11:51 AM
From: Australia
hellborn25,
True, but maybe $495 each may not be enough to buy a machete after the government officials have taken their cut. Can call it "save-the-trees tax"?
From: United States, words of wisdom from the nutcracker
roy they really need to come into grips and realised that there in light at the end of the tunnel, and it might be time to just asked for the united states to take over the land , and just declare itself a commonwealth to america, because this government is to inept to do its job.
From: United States
I was informed the raison for the quick evacuation for the president is sponsoring a free concert basically they, LL be back in the park soon after. Oh boy what mess
Written by: RoyStone, 18 Dec 2011 7:28 PM
From: Australia
hellborn25,
I have advocated your suggestion for a long time, but just one problem. The existing government would need to relinquish control to America, which will never happen unless by force. They are doing a very good job at the moment; not for the country but for their own personal bank balances. I don't think Uncle Sam has the will right know, and is already fully occupied elsewhere.
From: Haiti
Stop to be naive
the relocation have already begin! Near petionville, and other places. The persons who have a house broken by the earthquake receive some help for repare their house.
the other people are divided in two groups:
for one, the Haitian Government, have searched the homeowners who want to rent houses for his people for 20 000 gourdes.
for the second group, the government have build few little houses, and the persons can live in those houses. This government work better than the last government! The new government have only 3 months and they do more than the last government.
They have a government who have a lot of willing.
Written by: RoyStone, 18 Dec 2011 8:27 PM
From: Australia
KISKEYAMAN,
For Haiti's sake, I hope you are right.
$500US x 50,000 people = 25 million
What's happened to the other billions?
From: Dominican Republic, NEVER FORGOTTEN, NEVER FORSAKEN!
Kakaman is in denial.
From: Botswana, La reconnaissance est une lachete'
With all the major events in term of economic and reconstruction announcements happening in Haiti in the past few months. This is the best DT can come up with . You got to love the subliminal messages when it comes to all things Haitian on this site. Well the usual posts from the ignorant and Ill informed that don't surprises me.
BTW- BMW just return to the Haitian market after an over 20years absence, 12 new hotels due to open between 2012-2014 the biggest one 250 rooms near the airport. Heineken just increased its share of ownership of BRANA ( local brewery) from 20 to 80%. I'm not aware of fortune 500 multinationals are in the business of investing in hell holle without doing ROI analysist.
Written by: RonEvane, 18 Dec 2011 11:25 PM
From: United States, Gaithersburg, Maryland
{"With all the major events in term of economic and reconstruction announcements happening in Haiti in the past few months. This is the best DT can come up with "}
"reconstruction announcements"? Really? I wasn't aware of any. So..was anything "reconstructed"?
Herr Diamond, please let me in on what's happening there. I must have miss out on those announcements. My bad.
And what is an ROI analysis?
From: Botswana, La reconnaissance est une lachete'
@Ron
ROI - Return on Investment analysis- Sorry for assuming you understand the jargon of finance.
As far as reliable news source on Haiti is concerned if you are not simply being sarcastic as far as your reply if you do not have boots on the ground The Miami Herald caribean section have some indept reporting on what is happening in Haiti, unlike the bias of this third rate poor man RSI feed.
Written by: Atabey, 19 Dec 2011 10:40 AM
From: United States, NYC
Pat is correct. There are many things brewing in Haiti. Now that Martelly has his government-FINALLY-in place the speed-up can begin. And IF Haiti can manage to sustain a stable government and elite consensus for a few years, many good things are in the offering. DR will gain lots of new and expanded business opportunities. So there is much for DR to be hopeful.
Haiti will continue to receive large government support from EU while many other nations in the region will have to use market solutions-EXPORTS-to sustain their economies. Of course, in the end sustainability will happen only if Haiti manages to export her way towards modernity. Tourism is also a pillar for her future plans.
Let's not be too negative on her future. But if Martelly and his gang aren't able to swing things towards a better future THEN we'll need to readjust our analysis. I hope they succeed for the mutual benefit of Haiti and DR.
Written by: RonEvane, 19 Dec 2011 3:42 PM
From: United States, Gaithersburg, Maryland
Mr/s Diamond.
Thanks for clarifying that for me. I now know what ROI means....Uhm, If you don't mind...What is an
RSI feed? and "BRANA", what is that?
From: Haiti
i would want say talk
From: Haiti
ROYSTONE
What billion do you talke?
Those bilion it's a bad event who deserve only Bill CLINTON. Nothing is doing with this money. a lot of project we never see those results.
From: Haiti
RONEVANE
BRANA IS THE ENTERPRISE WHich doing the Haitian Beer! The name of haitian beer IS PRESTIGE! I hope a day you will taste this beer! It is very tasteful! I hope it will going in the international market
Written by: RonEvane, 19 Dec 2011 9:55 PM
From: United States, Gaithersburg, Maryland
Haitian beer? I love beer! Is it really good? How does it compare to any other beer? What's it taste like? Is it sold in DR? I look forward to quaffing a few...Yum!
Written by: RoyStone, 20 Dec 2011 8:29 AM
From: Australia
With all the billions in aid and loans going in to the country, I am not surprised that some Fortune500 companies are scrambling for a bit of the action. Yes they probably have determined they will get a good ROI, but that does not mean confidence in a long-term sustained economy. Building resorts is no guarantee of a booming tourism industry - you only need to look at the Dominican Republic for that.
Just look at the flood of Western companies that poured into Russia after the collapse of the Soviet Union, and look at their economy now.
If Haitians are anything like Dominicans, then the resorts will need to import most of their staff if they want to attract and keep tourists. In the Internet-Age, glossy brochures are not enough. Sunshine and sand are not enough - you need service to.
From: United States
I'm always amazed when I see Americans commenting on Haitian issues as if these Haitians are inherently corrupt, and without any regard for the impact of a crippling and hostile US, French, and other European policy towards Haiti since the very day of its independence. In the annals of history, no nation of people has even come close to having to endure the collective punishment and foreign invasions, political and economic blackmail that Haiti has, simply because it chose freedom over slavery. The America that we know today would be much different had the British convinced enough of the rest of the world to boycott the newly independent republic, forced crippling sanctions on her, mounted numerous invasions and occupations, inserted and bolstered cruel dictators, unleashed economic hitmen (i.e. World Bank/IMF), etc.
http://youtu.be/7cj0jdt-DEI (Dr. Randall Robinson: Penn State Conversation on Haiti)
http://youtu.be/OVVRoWxFB1s (Dr. Noam Chomsky: US Role in Haitian Destruction
From: United States
I have talked to many Dominican parents whose children have reading and math skills 3-5 years below level. How can a child in Dominican Republic have a fighting chance of competing with his/her peers around the world when they only receive 3-4 hours per day of classroom instruction? Why is it that when I want to bring in raw materials and equipment to train young Dominicans to do high tech jobs, and make business to subsidize free tuition at my school, the import laws discourage and hamper this sort of development. It is as if someone wants to keep the masses under-educated and under-skilled so that they will only qualify to be service workers and tourism industry workers. If you keep the people ignorant and under-educated, fan the flames of anti-Haitian racial hatred, and these poor ignorant souls won't realize that it is there own government policies that is the biggest problem...Keeping the people ignorant and distracted by side issues...insures that their expectations remain low.
Written by: RoyStone, 26 Dec 2011 3:25 PM
From: Australia
StarquestCEO,
You are right, 3-4 hours per day in class is inadequate. However the appalling state of education in Dominican youth is not just the fault of the government. I have seen how many parents do nothing to compensate for the inadequacy of the government schooling system.
Regarding slavery in Haiti, after the revolution in France and the new republic banned slavery, Haiti objected. Many other countries have been invaded, suffered earthquakes, dictatorships, epidemics, embargoes and been forced to pay reparations, but they pull through. Haiti just sinks deeper and deeper in the s**t.
From: United States
@ RoyStone....let's have an intelligent dialogue. I'm not a person who doesn't accept that much of Haitian people's problems lay with the Haitians themselves. If there were enough men today who possessed that revolutionary spirit of those who brought about it's independence and defeated the European armies, much of the country's problems could've been solved by putting a bullet in the head of the Duvaliers and the heads of the 7 -10 familes who rule the country from their enclaves in Miami. However, I challenge you to find one example that rivals what Haiti has been forced to endure. What country was forced to pay $22 billion dollars of reparations to its former slavemaster?..then move on from there to give an example of a country who has endured as much in regards to the embargoes, forced IMF/World Bank loans and trade conditions that were debilitating in the way that they were structured...so much so that a Clinton even apologized for. I'm waiting for your examples.
From: United States
duplicate post deleted
Written by: RonEvane, 27 Dec 2011 12:39 AM
From: United States, Gaithersburg, Maryland
“Could have, Should have” But it didn't! did it?.. Do you know why? In one word: STUPIDITY….There are many stupid and smart peoples in this world. Their degree of IQ is reflected in their standard of living. European and some Asian nations are generally smart and prosperous. African and some Latin-American nations, not so smart and miserable.
You can talk all you want about all the evils and tribulations that have befallen Haiti and it wouldn't do any good. There’s no valid excuse or explanation for the ills of a nation other than, EDUCATION, or lack thereof. And that correlates directly to who’s in charge… Dumb decisions made by dumb people, invariably, result in more misery.
Dumb people can’t govern themselves, much less, overcome their obstacles all by themselves. It’s a sad reality! Just take a look at DR and Haiti. We've both had our shortcomings. We could have put a bullet into Trujillo and/or Duvalier. But we didn't.
Written by: RonEvane, 27 Dec 2011 12:42 AM
From: United States, Gaithersburg, Maryland
...... We've been pushed around by the World Bank/ IMF. And so on. …But look at the difference between us.
Haiti and DR could today be in the same dire straits...Do you know why we’re not? Because in spite of our shitty educational system, we’re not as DUMB as you are! But, let me make it clear; we’re not as smart as Costa Rica, Chile, et, al….Tragic!
From: United States
Lol...your assertion that race or ethnicity is a determining factor in "smartness/prosperity" is very flawed. It sounds like racial bigotry. Are you one of these who have adopted a Eurocentric revisionist history, when most serious historians are admitting that they were not the originators of scientific knowledge? The Greeks and Romans stole or borrowed virtually everything from Africans of Egypt and Abyssinia. There were high civilizations and sophistication amongst the people of color around the world (Africa, Asia, South & Central America) while the Europeans were in the Dark Ages. The Europeans did not contribute anything "new" of significance to the world until the great German industrialization period. When you talk of prosperity you conveniently ignore how these nations became prosperous. There is not one European nation who did not become prosperous on the backs of slavery, exploitation of other nations resources (google or Youtube search "Confessions of an Economic Hitman".
Written by: RonEvane, 27 Dec 2011 2:12 AM
From: United States, Gaithersburg, Maryland
For once we agree, CEO!!
Certainly the Europeans enslaved and exploited! No question!... But answer this: Why didn't it happen the other way around?... That those nations did not enslaved the Europeans, instead?
What do you think the reason was?...Was it , maybe, humility or meekness, on their part? or what? Were they pacifists? Or was it just a classic case of one, more advanced nation, attacking a weaker one? Generally, the one invaded, is not the more advanced one...know what I mean? They are not as sophisticated in their weaponry, strategy, economic might, and intelligence. All this has absolute nothing to do with: "It sounds like racial bigotry". Okay?
Written by: RoyStone, 27 Dec 2011 6:14 AM
From: Australia
StarquestCEO, you challenged for an example of countries who paid more in reparations?
In 2011 American Dollar terms,
$22 billion from what was the richest colony in the Americas is nothing compared to
Germany 1919 Treaty of Versailles $785 billion
Germany now has the 5th highest GDP in the world
Haiti has the 139th
Japan also paid huge reparations and comes in with 3rd highest GDP in the world
After the Haitian earthquake there was massive looting
After the Japanese earthquake and tsumami there was none
Haiti's biggest disaster is it's own people, attitude and religion.
I'm glad you mentioned the Dark Ages in Europe
It was brought about by your wonderful Christian faith!
By the way, the Industrial Revolution began in England, not Germany
Crippling trade policies and embargoes? I suggest to read up on Grenville's Policies regarding the American colonies.
Written by: RoyStone, 27 Dec 2011 6:28 AM
From: Australia
StarquestCEO,
Regarding slavery, it has been a common element throughout all of man's history until recently, and the first county to ban it was France. Regardless European colonist in the Americas did not enslave black Africans. They bought them from other black Africans.
We could argue all day as to which countries or civilizations have contributed the most to scientific knowledge. However there is no argument about the fact the Christian faith has been, and continues to be the biggest enemy to scientific advancement, especially in recent years, to bio-medical science.
It has also been the greatest cause of human suffering, however it may soon be surpassed by Islam.
Written by: RonEvane, 29 Dec 2011 1:52 PM
From: United States, Gaithersburg, Maryland
{However there is no argument about the fact the Christian faith has been, and continues to be the biggest enemy to scientific advancement, especially in recent years, to bio-medical science.}
The church encourages people not to use contraceptives; to have children. The more, the better.
Many more children are born to those that can afford it the least. They are brought to this world to suffer all kinds of maladies and woeful living conditions.
Some are born deformed due to the prevailing environmental conditions and/ or mother's physical condition. Some die because of it. Many women do not survive the pregnancy.
The church, with its' strict dogma and closed minded attitude toward science and knowledge, has condemned many a people, (especially children), to a life of misery and hell on earth.
When one considers the horrific events taking place today, one has to wonder if the, "All-knowing, Creator", really knew what He/She was doing!
Written by: RoyStone, 29 Dec 2011 2:16 PM
From: Australia
Indeed, Ron.
One would not mind so much if the church was prepared to pick up the tap for these unwanted children, rather than contribute nothing and wait till they can tithe them.
Written by: shimoy, 5 Jan 2012 10:31 PM
From: Jamaica
Yeah relocation sounds good, but to where and how can this money last and getting obviously very low cost shelter ? This sounds like a setup for utter failure!!!
Written by: RonEvane, 6 Jan 2012 11:07 AM
From: United States, Gaithersburg, Maryland
{"Yeah relocation sounds good, but to where??"}
How about .....Prosperous Jamaica!!
Written by: RoyStone, 6 Jan 2012 11:37 AM
From: Australia
Ron, you were hoping Dready would take the bait?
{ "The relocation will be done certainly through the program 16/6, where each family receives a sum of 20,000 gourdes to be able to relocate."}
Relocate where? A-holes! They'll just use that money to buy desperately needed essentials, food, meds, etc. After the money's gone, they'll be back in the same situation as before... Nay,worse! this time, they'll have no place to live!
What needs to be done is to build prefab housing with the help of "habitat for humanity" or any other such organisation.
With all the corruption and govt abusers, the very poor will see less of the money allocated. This is a huge mistake! ....Coooñooo...Pero que gente tan estupidas!!!
I can't believe what I just read.
http://canadahaitiaction.ca/conte....close-camps-coming-under-scrutiny
What we are witnessing is what always happens when the Haitian government tries to run something – completely ignorant and incompetent that leads to terrible decision and horrendous results.
Terrible decision.
Most poor Haitians do not have savings accounts, and many will get robbed and seriously injured by the local street gangs.
Poor people.
Jesus loves you.
Allah is great.
True, but maybe $495 each may not be enough to buy a machete after the government officials have taken their cut. Can call it "save-the-trees tax"?
I have advocated your suggestion for a long time, but just one problem. The existing government would need to relinquish control to America, which will never happen unless by force. They are doing a very good job at the moment; not for the country but for their own personal bank balances. I don't think Uncle Sam has the will right know, and is already fully occupied elsewhere.
the relocation have already begin! Near petionville, and other places. The persons who have a house broken by the earthquake receive some help for repare their house.
the other people are divided in two groups:
for one, the Haitian Government, have searched the homeowners who want to rent houses for his people for 20 000 gourdes.
for the second group, the government have build few little houses, and the persons can live in those houses. This government work better than the last government! The new government have only 3 months and they do more than the last government.
They have a government who have a lot of willing.
For Haiti's sake, I hope you are right.
$500US x 50,000 people = 25 million
What's happened to the other billions?
BTW- BMW just return to the Haitian market after an over 20years absence, 12 new hotels due to open between 2012-2014 the biggest one 250 rooms near the airport. Heineken just increased its share of ownership of BRANA ( local brewery) from 20 to 80%. I'm not aware of fortune 500 multinationals are in the business of investing in hell holle without doing ROI analysist.
{"With all the major events in term of economic and reconstruction announcements happening in Haiti in the past few months. This is the best DT can come up with "}
"reconstruction announcements"? Really? I wasn't aware of any. So..was anything "reconstructed"?
Herr Diamond, please let me in on what's happening there. I must have miss out on those announcements. My bad.
And what is an ROI analysis?
ROI - Return on Investment analysis- Sorry for assuming you understand the jargon of finance.
As far as reliable news source on Haiti is concerned if you are not simply being sarcastic as far as your reply if you do not have boots on the ground The Miami Herald caribean section have some indept reporting on what is happening in Haiti, unlike the bias of this third rate poor man RSI feed.
Haiti will continue to receive large government support from EU while many other nations in the region will have to use market solutions-EXPORTS-to sustain their economies. Of course, in the end sustainability will happen only if Haiti manages to export her way towards modernity. Tourism is also a pillar for her future plans.
Let's not be too negative on her future. But if Martelly and his gang aren't able to swing things towards a better future THEN we'll need to readjust our analysis. I hope they succeed for the mutual benefit of Haiti and DR.
Mr/s Diamond.
Thanks for clarifying that for me. I now know what ROI means....Uhm, If you don't mind...What is an
RSI feed? and "BRANA", what is that?
What billion do you talke?
Those bilion it's a bad event who deserve only Bill CLINTON. Nothing is doing with this money. a lot of project we never see those results.
BRANA IS THE ENTERPRISE WHich doing the Haitian Beer! The name of haitian beer IS PRESTIGE! I hope a day you will taste this beer! It is very tasteful! I hope it will going in the international market
Haitian beer? I love beer! Is it really good? How does it compare to any other beer? What's it taste like? Is it sold in DR? I look forward to quaffing a few...Yum!
Just look at the flood of Western companies that poured into Russia after the collapse of the Soviet Union, and look at their economy now.
If Haitians are anything like Dominicans, then the resorts will need to import most of their staff if they want to attract and keep tourists. In the Internet-Age, glossy brochures are not enough. Sunshine and sand are not enough - you need service to.
http://youtu.be/7cj0jdt-DEI (Dr. Randall Robinson: Penn State Conversation on Haiti)
http://youtu.be/OVVRoWxFB1s (Dr. Noam Chomsky: US Role in Haitian Destruction
You are right, 3-4 hours per day in class is inadequate. However the appalling state of education in Dominican youth is not just the fault of the government. I have seen how many parents do nothing to compensate for the inadequacy of the government schooling system.
Regarding slavery in Haiti, after the revolution in France and the new republic banned slavery, Haiti objected. Many other countries have been invaded, suffered earthquakes, dictatorships, epidemics, embargoes and been forced to pay reparations, but they pull through. Haiti just sinks deeper and deeper in the s**t.
“Could have, Should have” But it didn't! did it?.. Do you know why? In one word: STUPIDITY….There are many stupid and smart peoples in this world. Their degree of IQ is reflected in their standard of living. European and some Asian nations are generally smart and prosperous. African and some Latin-American nations, not so smart and miserable.
You can talk all you want about all the evils and tribulations that have befallen Haiti and it wouldn't do any good. There’s no valid excuse or explanation for the ills of a nation other than, EDUCATION, or lack thereof. And that correlates directly to who’s in charge… Dumb decisions made by dumb people, invariably, result in more misery.
Dumb people can’t govern themselves, much less, overcome their obstacles all by themselves. It’s a sad reality! Just take a look at DR and Haiti. We've both had our shortcomings. We could have put a bullet into Trujillo and/or Duvalier. But we didn't.
...... We've been pushed around by the World Bank/ IMF. And so on. …But look at the difference between us.
Haiti and DR could today be in the same dire straits...Do you know why we’re not? Because in spite of our shitty educational system, we’re not as DUMB as you are! But, let me make it clear; we’re not as smart as Costa Rica, Chile, et, al….Tragic!
For once we agree, CEO!!
Certainly the Europeans enslaved and exploited! No question!... But answer this: Why didn't it happen the other way around?... That those nations did not enslaved the Europeans, instead?
What do you think the reason was?...Was it , maybe, humility or meekness, on their part? or what? Were they pacifists? Or was it just a classic case of one, more advanced nation, attacking a weaker one? Generally, the one invaded, is not the more advanced one...know what I mean? They are not as sophisticated in their weaponry, strategy, economic might, and intelligence. All this has absolute nothing to do with: "It sounds like racial bigotry". Okay?
In 2011 American Dollar terms,
$22 billion from what was the richest colony in the Americas is nothing compared to
Germany 1919 Treaty of Versailles $785 billion
Germany now has the 5th highest GDP in the world
Haiti has the 139th
Japan also paid huge reparations and comes in with 3rd highest GDP in the world
After the Haitian earthquake there was massive looting
After the Japanese earthquake and tsumami there was none
Haiti's biggest disaster is it's own people, attitude and religion.
I'm glad you mentioned the Dark Ages in Europe
It was brought about by your wonderful Christian faith!
By the way, the Industrial Revolution began in England, not Germany
Crippling trade policies and embargoes? I suggest to read up on Grenville's Policies regarding the American colonies.
Regarding slavery, it has been a common element throughout all of man's history until recently, and the first county to ban it was France. Regardless European colonist in the Americas did not enslave black Africans. They bought them from other black Africans.
We could argue all day as to which countries or civilizations have contributed the most to scientific knowledge. However there is no argument about the fact the Christian faith has been, and continues to be the biggest enemy to scientific advancement, especially in recent years, to bio-medical science.
It has also been the greatest cause of human suffering, however it may soon be surpassed by Islam.
{However there is no argument about the fact the Christian faith has been, and continues to be the biggest enemy to scientific advancement, especially in recent years, to bio-medical science.}
The church encourages people not to use contraceptives; to have children. The more, the better.
Many more children are born to those that can afford it the least. They are brought to this world to suffer all kinds of maladies and woeful living conditions.
Some are born deformed due to the prevailing environmental conditions and/ or mother's physical condition. Some die because of it. Many women do not survive the pregnancy.
The church, with its' strict dogma and closed minded attitude toward science and knowledge, has condemned many a people, (especially children), to a life of misery and hell on earth.
When one considers the horrific events taking place today, one has to wonder if the, "All-knowing, Creator", really knew what He/She was doing!
One would not mind so much if the church was prepared to pick up the tap for these unwanted children, rather than contribute nothing and wait till they can tithe them.
{"Yeah relocation sounds good, but to where??"}
How about .....Prosperous Jamaica!!