From: Dominican Republic, NEVER FORGOTTEN, NEVER FORSAKEN!
Nice hat Josean!
I did not know Haitians celebrate the birth of our Lord Jesus, to some of you it is just a fable.
Congratulations.........JWAYE NOWEL........
From: Dominican Republic, Puerto Plata
Those that work legitimately go through the red tape.
The illegals aren't going anywhere.
Written by: ings0389, 21 Dec 2011 11:32 AM
From: United States
If they are legal, why is it so much trouble for them to come back?
From: United States
>>I did not know Haitians celebrate the birth of our Lord Jesus, to some of you it is just a fable<<
Be careful of what you ask for, my friend, you may very well expose your own frailties in the end. In your sarcastic critique of Haitians, you've opened up a Pandora's box. December 25 has nothing whatsoever to do with the birth of Jesus Christ and everything to do with pagan practices and idolatry. The same applies to the concept of the Christmas tree. These facts are so well-documented and easily available that a curious 4th grade student could find it within a few minutes. But I respect the right of churches to adopt pagan customs and practices and accept them as part of their religion. I just think it's hypocritical when one group criticizes another group as if one is more "authentic" then the other. It's like the pot calling the kettle black.
Written by: RoyStone, 21 Dec 2011 11:48 AM
From: Australia
Xmyth has nothing to with the mythical virgin-birth of Jesus or pagan practices.
It is the celebration of consumerism - a retail festival.
Written by: telemeco, 21 Dec 2011 11:57 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Monte Plata
STOP with the ignorant, Haitian are Catholic is just that they believe in Voddoo as well, just like Dominican go and prey on Sunday and when a child is born you take to a brujo(ensarmalo) to make should nothing bad happen to him/her. STOP THE NON SENSE
Written by: RoyStone, 21 Dec 2011 12:02 PM
From: Australia
As for the adoption pagan customs and practices, nothing in Xtianity is original. Most comes from ancient Jewish and Greek mythology, some of which which also comes from earlier Middle-Eastern traditions and religions.
How the Jews knew, 2 millennia in advance they would be so heavily involved in retail is beyond me.
Written by: ings0389, 21 Dec 2011 12:08 PM
From: United States
Totally agree with Starsquest CEO! Youre completely right.
As of RoyStone... What he says is worth shit, he only likes to bullshit and be noticed... I dont know why he always comments with bullshit. If youre an atheist... Good for u, nobody cares if you burn in hell dude, but you need to respect those who arent and truly believe... Moron
From: Dominican Republic, San Carlos, barrio de matatanes, aqui no invente
As legal workers they should be allow to come and go as they please, I don't know why is so difficult for this morons at cesfront to get a system going and control the flow of illegals coming in and allow the legal migrants to return home to their families, i guess the real money is made with the illegal haitians not the legal ones.
maldito corruptos del diantre
From: Germany, Koblenz, Rheinland-Pfalz
These lots of Morons would never stop amazing me <(^_^)>
IF You were helping them to do such ... for years,
What is stopping you To Do So ... Right Now (?)
Are you not exposing yourselves??? you law breakers !!!
Written by: RonEvane, 21 Dec 2011 3:15 PM
From: United States, Gaithersburg, Maryland
{"How the Jews knew, 2 millennia in advance they would be so heavily involved in retail is beyond me."}
Are you kidding, Roy!? It's all over the Bible. ...Look!
"For the FASHION of the world passeth away" Corinthians 7:31
"Man shall not live by bread alone" Matthew 4:4
"He is to examine it. If the mildew has spread in the clothing, or the knitted or leather material, the article is unclean" Leviticus 13:51 ( I think this may mean to dry-clean it.).
"Any clothing or leather that has SEMEN on it, must be washed with water." Leviticus 15:17 ( Not dry-cleaned).
"Do not wear clothing of two kinds of material" Leviticus 19:19 ( No blends for me!).
" A woman must not wear men's clothing, nor a man wear women's clothing, for God detests anyone who does this" Deuteronomy 22: 5
"He said unto them, 'but now you have a purse, take it and also a bag. And if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy a new one" Luke 22:36 ( I think this may be a reference to return
From: United States, California
@ings0389--
It don't matter weather they are legal or not the DR, don't want hatians in their country, and if you have to ask why then you are not Dominican or don't know Dominicans.
Written by: airgordo, 22 Dec 2011 2:17 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Written by: ings0389, 21 Dec 2011 11:32 AM
From: United States
If they are legal, why is it so much trouble for them to come back?
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Becasue THEY ARE NOT!!! this idea of these people is like me going ILLEGALLY to US then asking ICE or CBP for permision to visit my family AND COMEBACK!!! that is how stupid this is!!! Illegal Dominicans DON"T have that CHOICE!!!
Written by: Nehesy, 22 Dec 2011 5:13 AM
From: France, Paris
Christmast = Sol Invictus , an ancient rome religious festival (Sun divinity) which was celebrated the 25/12.
Romans emperor integrated this pagan celebration into Christianity when they adopted this religion, mainly in order to tame the roman pagan population : 2 celebrations in 1 religion. Actually Christianity has adopted this pagan practise.
Romans used to light fire to revive the sun (night being longer than day in winter), this is why we still have nowadays fir trees with lightened balls ( sun revival symbols)
Brujeria is very present in the DR. One of my dominican friend in La Romana is a Santeria priest , and he lives from this job. White, Black, Mulattoes dominicans they all come to visit him.
Hollywood racist movies showed us Voodoo as an evil religion , where people stabs puppets with pins. Actually, it is an European Custom which origin is to be found in ancient Rome (capital of Brujeria in antiquity) where easterners imported these practise...
Written by: Nehesy, 22 Dec 2011 5:25 AM
From: France, Paris
Cont...
Afterwards this practise (Puppets/Pins) was spread among all the brujos/as in Europe. During Inquisition many European brujos/brujas were deported to the new world (Brazil, Hispaniola etc) , like the convicts and many other serious criminal offenders (Gilberto Freyre, Larrazabal Blanco etc)
African slaves seeing that Europeans could control them ( mainly by criminal/murderous slave codes/punishments) adopted their ways including this Puppet/Pin practise to free themselves from slavery (thinking that Europeans could control them via a superior sorcery science) : see Roger Bastide ("Les Amériques Noires") and Melville Herkovits for more details.
In "Christian" Europe you still have brujos/brujas (French, Spain, England etc) , and the jews themselves are also well learned about sorcery/brujeria...
Going back to the subject, if they're legal where is the issue ? I can't see none
From: United States
I believe the issue is that they are not legal. That is why this organization has been involved. Let's secure the the right to go back and forth for illegal workers and their families and damn the Dominican peasants who can't find work at a decent wage. There is just too many workers on the island and not enough jobs. Haitians need to find other countries to depress wages and stop inundating us with their laborers. These 2,000 represent 2,000 Dominicans who have immigrated or are jobless. These migrants and family are obviously setting roots in the land.
Its amazing how in less than 20yrs the Haitians have succeeded in doing what for 200 yrs they were unable to attain. Time continues to pass and in another ten years we are going to have another several thousand clamoring for their Dominican citizenship. The Dominicans are being pushed off the island and Dominican companies are complicit in this. In a generation DR will not look like DR. It will look like Haiti-East.
From: United States
Nehesey what are you saying ? That brujeria(spiritualism) is not native to the Africans? Every society has a history in this practice. That is why GOD forbids this practice in the scriptures. Its part of every pagan society that believes in many gods.
Written by: RoyStone, 22 Dec 2011 7:26 AM
From: Australia
venganzaderafael, which god would that be?
From: Dominican Republic, NEVER FORGOTTEN, NEVER FORSAKEN!
It doesn't matter the forum, but whenever you mention the name Jesus all the pagans, non believers, anti-christian, or whatever you wanna call them come out of the woodwork as if that name offend them. I did it on purpose and I was right, they are ready to crucify me, but guess what, this is a Christian country, and mister starquest think he discovered America by saying that Christ was not born in December, most average Bible student know that; in which way did I criticize the Haitians Mr NGO? is that an NGO, STARQUEST?
Written by: Nehesy, 22 Dec 2011 8:43 AM
From: France, Paris
Venganzaderafael,
I'm saying that Brujeria belongs to all mankind: Europeans, Middle Easteners, Chinese, Africans , etc, etc and not only to the last group as it is highlighted in racist movies/books.
If they are illegals it's another debate I agree. But if so, it seems that your government and Industry are those responsible of this situation. How comes is it possible than in the DR everytime I see a new building being constructed more than 90 % of the workers are Haitians ? Cheaper labor force I guess (lower costs and more profits to the entrepreneurs)
Like all human being you go on the place where the grass is green . This is why most of the posters here live in the US I guess. Anyway good luck to my Dominican and Haitian brothers.Hope this issue will be settled one day.
From: United States
Roy if you want to believe there is no intelligent design in the creation of the universe and life, that is is choice, I believe there has to be a creator for there is order in the universe. Knowing there is a God is what makes us have a conscience.
Nehesy we are in agreement that spiritualism is in all societies, the problem with Haitians is that it has become a state religion in direct opposition to christian beliefs. I understand why the Israelites insist in having a predominant Jewish presence in their land. Its call survival. That is what we are facing in DR, survival of our ethnic, cultural, historic and religious identity. We can keep some Haitians as legal immigrants but the rest have to go. We cannot keep all these poverty refugees or we will sink into the abyss Haiti has of too many people and not enough resources to support them.
Haitians must follow China's example of one child per family to get a hold of their overpopulation.
DR territory is not their outl
Written by: Nehesy, 22 Dec 2011 1:10 PM
From: France, Paris
Venganza
Protect you border it's your right , now Israel may not be the best example to follow
Written by: Trujillo, 22 Dec 2011 3:26 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Legal workers awaiting permits to go back to their country, while thousands of haitians enter the DR illegaly, no questios asked.
From: United States
Trujillo
Que maldita ironia, eh?
Sigo diciendo hay que concentrar todo esfuerzo en parar mas entradas illegales, despues se puede dedicar tiempo y esfuerzo a situaciones como la de este articulo.
From: United States
Hey Nehesy you crack me up. And you also make thought out, researched analysis. Your points are thought provoking and I thank you for your interest in our island and its people.
From: United States
Atheist say, "we have science" who needs religion.
However if we think for a moment that is like saying, "we have microwaves" who needs Shakespeare.
Written by: RonEvane, 23 Dec 2011 12:46 AM
From: United States, Gaithersburg, Maryland
{"Atheist say, "we have science" who needs religion.
However if we think for a moment that is like saying, "we have microwaves" who needs Shakespeare."}
Good one, Guillermone!... Problem is,... are Shakespeare's writings considered beautiful fiction? and/or Is the Bible also considered beautiful fiction? Do we act out our lives according to Shakespeare's plays? Do we consider them gospel truth?...to be followed verbatim/literally? Consider the ramifications!
Yes, we have science. Who needs religion? Absolutely no one in his right mind!.. Are you in your right mind?
Written by: RoyStone, 23 Dec 2011 5:07 PM
From: Australia
venganzaderafael,
Evolution, creationism or intelligent design are questions of fact, not personal choice. It is not like preferring coffee with of without sugar.
There is no scientific, historic, geological, archeological or rational evidence for creationism or intelligent design. There is massive evidence for evolution. Hence belief in creationism or intelligent design is a delusion, of as you may chose to call it, faith.
Written by: RoyStone, 23 Dec 2011 5:15 PM
From: Australia
guillermone,
The relationship between science and religion has nothing what-so-ever to do with the relationship between microwaves and Shakespeare.
These types of analogies are very popular with believers in the invisible man in the sky, because such belief does not withstand logic, so they use a phony logic. Lets say A and B are like C and D. Well, A = B therefore C = D. Bull@hit!
From: United States
@DONT_BE_SILENT
>>whenever you mention the name Jesus all the pagans, non believers, anti-christian, or whatever you wanna call them come out of the woodwork as if that name offend them.<<
You got me all wrong. I believe in and honor Jesus Christ, as well as his immaculate conception. I just don't worship him or his mother. I don't because he never commanded anyone to worhsip him. He told them to worhsip the Father. The early Christians never celebrated the birth of Jesus either. Fir, pine, evergreen trees don't even exist in the part of the world where Jesus was born. Early Christian settlers in America considered the decorating and lighting of the tree as a pagan ritual...so much so that it was a banned practice in colonial America. You can call me a purist....but you can't call me an atheist or anti-Jesus.
From: United States
>>I did it on purpose and I was right, they are ready to crucify me,<<
I didn't crucify you my friend. I only cautioned you against being so arrogant as if your religion is free of acts of paganism and idolatry. If I ever met you in public we could sit down enjoy a meal and have a civil discussion and agree to disagree. I was simply warning you not to be so arrogant. This is not the way of true Christians. Jesus said "He who is not guilty of sin...cast the first stone." You knew very well that Haitians are primarily Catholics. But in your hatred for these people you deny your very own Christian brother just because of his ethnic background. True Christians don't do this.
From: United States
>>but guess what, this is a Christian country,<<<
Dominican Republic is no more a Christian country than Haiti is..or for that matter, the United States. What makes Dominican Republic any more Christian than any other country? The majority of the people claim Christianity as their faith, but the actual practice of Christianity is not reflected in the people or the government. I am not picking on Dominican Republic. The same can be said of Haiti and the United States. The only country that can truly claim to be a Christian country is one who governs by Biblical principles and the majority of its people lives by these principles. There are many, many, good Christian people in this country, I have met many of them personally. But prostitution is rampant, people celebrate the birth of Jesus Christ by getting drunk on alcohol. The streets are not safe for the young women and the elderly. There is little to no respect for the rule of law.
From: United States
The point I was making is this....I respect all religions and the right for people to worhsip their God as they wish. However, whenever I see one group criticizing another, because I have studied the origins of these religions, it is very hard for me to resist commenting about hypocrisy when it is so evident......and yes....Starquest is an NGO that is non-religious and doesn't discriminate between Dominican or Haitian-Dominican. We believe that all children deserve to be educated without this bias or racial prejudice that permeates this country.
From: United States
>>in which way did I criticize the Haitians Mr NGO? is that an NGO, STARQUEST?<<
You made a half-veiled attempt to belittle Haitians by suggesting that they do not celebrate the birth of Jesus Christ. You know darn well that they do. But you think that their inclusion of other non-Christian elements in their religion somehow disqualifies them from being Christian....or is it their ethnicity that you have a problem with? The majority of the Christian world has a problem with innovations in Catholicism...infact many don't even regard Catholics as Christians but a separate religion all together.
From: United States
>>and mister starquest think he discovered America by saying that Christ was not born in December, most average Bible student know that;<<
You're very arrogant for a Christian. You're also bordering on becoming a liar by twisting my words. I clearly indicate in my post that even a curious 4th grader could find this truth. But what truth was I referring to?.....the truth that December 25 and the practices around it are all rooted in paganism and idolatry. You conveniently evaded this TRUTH and instead made a rather feeble attempt to trivialize what I said. Nice try.
Written by: RoyStone, 23 Dec 2011 7:58 PM
From: Australia
´The only country that can truly claim to be a Christian country is one who governs by Biblical principles and the majority of its people lives by these principles.´
So what country would that be?
Where do they stone people to death for working on a Saturday?
Where is it okay to beat your slave to death, provided he does not die the same day?
Where are grandchildren punished for the wrongdoings of their grandparents?
Written by: RoyStone, 23 Dec 2011 8:00 PM
From: Australia
I have to laugh when Xtains talk about ´true´ Christians, ´cause by their own definition, they don´t exist!
From: United States
@ Roy Stone...My point exactly...I knew someone would fill in the blanks....no place qualifies to be called a Christian country. And who knows what a "true" Christian is when the Bible has undergone so many revisions and so many books have been left out while those with unknown authors have been left in.
Written by: RoyStone, 23 Dec 2011 9:40 PM
From: Australia
StarquestCEO,
Every book of the Holy Buy-Bull is by an unknown author. Certainly the 4 gospels were not written by anyone before 70 AD, and were written in Greek, not Aramaic, which excludes anyone like the mythical disciples of the mythical Jesus.
Regardless it "worked" and plunged Europe into the Dark Ages, and the Catholic Church is still the biggest, wealthiest, multinational corporation, and the only tax-exempt one, with diplomatic immunity from the law.
From: United States
The concept of God is too great for our puny little human minds.
It is beyond your and my capacity to grasp. But I sure will try real hard to understand
until I can finally get it. You can't cram for the exam on this one.
Written by: RoyStone, 23 Dec 2011 10:23 PM
From: Australia
Hey, guillermone, speak for yourself - I understand god!
The standard Deist cop-out no-brainer (when cornered by logic) goes like this:
"You can't explain God, to someone with limited human understanding, just like you can't explain to an ant the workings of a TV set."
Yeah, right!
From: United States
Well Good that you have it all figured out...............!
Now tell me why and briefly explain the reason behind universal laws?
From: United States
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From: United States
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From: United States
When the student of science approaches science with an open mind, he/she will inevitably arrive at the conclusion that the more indepth the study, the more evidence is revealed that supports the existence of intelligent design. I respect people's right to disbelieve in God, but framkly, I am convinced of the existance of an intelligent, omni-present, and omniscient being that is beyond our comprehension. It is The Deity, singular, one... not three, or more. He is known by many names, but He is the creator of everything that exists in creation.
Written by: RonEvane, 23 Dec 2011 11:46 PM
From: United States, Gaithersburg, Maryland
{"The concept of God is too great for our puny little human minds.
It is beyond your and my capacity to grasp."}
Puny little minds and its’ limited capacity to understand, is the reason why we attribute astonishing/bewildering events in reality to a God or a supernatural being. ..In other words, the concept of a god is the answer to events in natural phenomenon that are not understood at the time of observation.
So, yes, our minds are too limited and primitive to understand the reason for things being what they are, therefore, we result to a god to explain the reason for things being as they are..... It’s as simple as that.
Written by: RonEvane, 24 Dec 2011 12:06 AM
From: United States, Gaithersburg, Maryland
{"When the student of science approaches science with an open mind, he/she will inevitably arrive at the conclusion that the more indepth the study, the more evidence is revealed that supports the existence of intelligent design."}
Au contraire, mon ami.
The more indepth in science one becomes, the more deeply one fathoms nature's secrets. The more we learn, the more we realize our place in the overall nature of things, which has absolute nothing to do with magic or supernatural beings.
The belief in a god is a relic of ignorance and superstition.
From: United States
Written by: ELPAPA999, 21 Dec 2011 5:55 PM
From: United States, California
@ings0389--
"It don't matter weather they are legal or not the DR, don't want hatians in their country, and if you have to ask why then you are not Dominican or don't know Dominicans."
Then why are they letting them in and giving them jobs.
Since you are so dominican, you should leave the UNITED STATES and go fight on the border to save your country.
Start an organization like the KKK to hunt down haitians in DR.
Form a group to attack trucks crossing the border or bomb those construction sites that employ Haitians.
Turn the border into a war zone,
Until you are ready to take action, Haiti will keep sending its POOREST and DARKEST to DR.
ALL TALK and NO ACTION.........then learn to live with it and accept it.
Written by: RoyStone, 26 Dec 2011 3:03 PM
From: Australia
StarquestCEO,
Your logic is infallible. Then with your superior understanding of science, please explain who intelligently designed the intelligent designer?
God is not the answer for anything - it's just avoiding the question.
If a knowledge of science leads to the conclusion there is an intelligent designer, how come no real scientists have come that conclusion - they are not as smart as you?
(... and please don't trot out Creation pseudo-scientists or the odd pre-Darwinian scientist)
You believe there is something beyond your comprehension? Yes I'm sure there is. Natural evolution.
From: United States
@RoyStone
Lol. Sir, I don't argue with atheists or agnostics. I am willing to admit that the concept of a self-created God who is above His creation and not part of it, is beyond the scope of belief of some people. I am not one of these self-righteous super-pious individuals who wants to convert everybody and make everyone a believer. I can name you many scientists today who are Christian, Muslim, Jewish, etc. who have completed all of the schools of learning to qualify them as scientists but you will just summarily dismiss them as "psuedo-scientists" because they have reached a conclusion that is different than yours. When a mosquito pulls back the sheath of its barb and "prepares" its victim for the procedure of extracting blood....blood she only needs to later feed and nourish its young, it first injects a small amount of anesthesia. Without this anesthesia, the injected needle would be immediately felt and painful so that the mosquito will be killed before the blood was taken...
From: United States
This process is not "trial and error". A mosquito didn't get smacked by a huge hand, lived to tell the story to other mosquitos so that other mosquitos would "create" this anethestic compund that would temporarily numb the sensitive skin nerves long enough to extract blood and make the escape. Someone gave the mosquito the chemical formula that would work. They didn't try different chemical formulas. Someone gave it to them. Only the female is given this formula because only the female nourishes the unborn with blood. There are so many examples of intelligent design, or God's handiwork throughout nature. The best scientists in the world know everything about the cell. But they still don't know what "force" makes the centrioles line up at different sides of the cell and begin to spin, creating the "vortex-like current" that pulls the cell into opposite directions and forces it to divide. That's God's handiwork...intelligent design.
From: United States
Experiments have been done that show that the chemical compund that a mosquito injects in humans is different than the one it injects in horses, and in frogs, and in rats. Something told the mosquito that you need an anesthesia that is unique for the animal that you wish to target....the presence of God is all around us...study nature and learn of Him.
From: United States
Starquest, excellently put. Nothing else needs be said
Written by: RoyStone, 26 Dec 2011 3:54 PM
From: Australia
StarquestCEO,
You don't need to be an Atheist to reject Creationism, or Intelligent Design (a euphemism for Creationism). Yes some scientists say they are Christian, but that does not mean they believe in Creationism or Intelligent Design. Even the Vatican and Pope Ratzinger officially accept Evolution as a scientific fact.
I don't know what point you were making about mosquito-bites but anyway you are wrong. Mosquitoes inject anti-coagulant not anesthetic. Where did you get that pseudo-science from - an Intelligent Design website? It is not even logical, since a mosquito can't inject anything until it has penetrated the skin with the mandibles.
Written by: RoyStone, 26 Dec 2011 4:00 PM
From: Australia
guillermone, wants to know "the reason behind universal laws".
There is nothing "behind" universal laws. That's what's so "universal" about them.
"Reason" like good and evil, is a man-made concept. None of these exist in nature.
You are looking for an answer to a meaningless question.
Next?
From: United States
The mosquito injects a compound that serves as both an anesthetic and anti-coagulent. Something gave it this formula...and something told it to alter formula for different targeted animals. It has a numbing effect on localized nervous tissue, as well as an effect that encourages blood flow. The point is that it didn't come up with this chemical compound through trial and error. And let me clarify...when I mentioned scientists who are Christian, Muslim and Jewish, I assumed that you understood that I was talking about those who embrace Creationism. There are many more evidences of intelligent design in nature. This God is so omniscient and merciful that He even granted living things the ability to adapt to their environment or other factors that impact their survival...so yes, we believers do accept a form of evolution called adaptation and natural selection. But we don't go to the extreme of atoms and molecules haphazardly bumping into each other to create species.
Written by: RoyStone, 26 Dec 2011 6:44 PM
From: Australia
You obviously have no idea about how evolution works, if you believe it is based on "atoms and molecules haphazardly bumping into each other to create species.".
Please point to me any recognized peer-reviewed scientific paper that confirms mosquitoes inject an anesthetic. Regardless, this would not confirm intelligent design. Also find me a list of real biological scientists who believe in creation of intelligent design.
Also tell me what's so merciful about millions suffering and dying from malaria, yellow fever, dengue fever, not to mention the masses of other suffering caused by your God's magic. Also if God's creation was perfect, as claimed by Christians, why would there be any need for adaptation?
Before arguing and further, read up on evolution from those who know (not creation pseudo-scientists). I've read up on your Bible, the supposed inerrant word of your God. Well if it's true then he sure ain't merciful, and does not warrant my respect, let alone worship.
From: United States
OK, Sir. We will never agree on scientific evidence as long as you regard scientists who embrace creationism as psuedo-scientists. So let me pose a simple question. Sadly today, we both live in arguably immoral societies. You're in Australia, and I am in the United States. There are no man-made laws that say it is illegal to have sex with another man's wife. But the overwhelming majority of the people will say that this act is wrong. Our sense of right and wrong came from somewhere. History has proven that if left to our own devices without prophets and messengers reminding us of what is right and what is wrong, we will usher in our self-destruction. I won't use the terms like morality and sin because of their obvious religious connotation. But I just wonder, if you don't think that the Creator has given us codefied laws of nature that govern how His creation procreates and interacts with each other and the world, from where do you derive your sense of right and wrong?..good or bad?
Written by: RonEvane, 26 Dec 2011 8:14 PM
From: United States, Gaithersburg, Maryland
The religious fanatic’s way in delving into the wonders of the universe is to chuck it all to a “creator” and simply leave it at that. We need not concern ourselves with nature. Things are just what they are because God made it that way. If malaria and dengue fever kill thousands, it’s because God wished it to be that way and we should not interfere by making vaccines, or otherwise try to meddle in His “Grand plan”. Remember God only punishes sinners. Everyone else becomes immune to said diseases.
“I know the plans I have for you, declares the Lord, plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future. (Jeremiah 29:11)”
From: United States
I am not a religious fanatic. And I believe that God gives human beings the ability to use their own ingenuity to create and develop ways to fight all things harmful to living things and to society in general. Humans used to live to be hundreds of years old. Now we can hardly reach 80. God does not punish anyone. He allows humans to reap the harvest of whatever mankind sows. We pay a price for our modern conveniences and technological advancement. All of these have consequences. All of our actions have consequences. Some suffer the consequences in this life, while others will suffer in the Hereafter. Only a fool thinks that "God only punishes sinners". Look at many of the rich and powerful who are increasing in their sin and in their wealth and power. They are given respite in this life because they are a test for the believers. But in the afterlife, they will wish that they had suffered in this life for all of the evil and corruption that they committed in the earth..
Written by: RonEvane, 26 Dec 2011 10:45 PM
From: United States, Gaithersburg, Maryland
Humanity is the only animal species on this planet that can think on a higher plane. We are fully awared of our mortality and are, generally, very much afraid of it. We are, therefore, mystified and bewildered about what lies in the afterlife.
Do we simply die, just like any other animal? Do we have a “soul”? And what happens to it, when we’re gone? If we follow all the teachings in the Bible, do we go to heaven for all eternity? Or do we believe that the penalty for unrepentant sinners is to suffer forever in the burning fires of hell?
John 1:18 "No one has ever seen God."
What happens to us after we die, has been a scary obsession and deep preoccupation for humanity since we understood life and death. We have invented all kinds of Gods and all types of sacrifices to assure our place in the here-after. Dumb and deluded people think they can “cut a deal” with God by doing his bidding –whatever that is- It could be anything from “kill your first-born” to....
Written by: RonEvane, 26 Dec 2011 10:53 PM
From: United States, Gaithersburg, Maryland
"give your daughters to be defile", to "smite them all"!
How do you like this one: 1st. Samuel 15:3
"Now listen to what the Lord almighty says...Go and attack the Amalekites and completely destroy everything they have. Don't leave a thing; kill all the men, women, children and babies; the cattle, sheep, camels and donkeys"!!!
And they ask me why I'm an atheist!?
From: United States
At one time cruel and unusual corporal punishment in schools was a common well accepted practice. Although it provoked adverse physical, psychological and educational outcomes, most places around the world continued to use caning as a routine official punishment for misconduct.
The adult deliberately inflicts pain upon a child's unacceptable behavior with the immediate aims of such punishment to halt the offense, prevent its recurrence and to set an example for others. The long-term goal is to change the child's behavior and to assure consistence with the adult's expectations. In corporal punishment, the adult usually hits various parts of the child's body with a hand, or with canes, paddles, yardsticks, belts, or other objects expected to cause pain and fear. The adults who publically humiliate children and punish by force and pain are often causing more harm than they prevent.
And they ask me why I am against education !?
Written by: RoyStone, 26 Dec 2011 11:48 PM
From: Australia
Ah yes, Rod, but God was not so hard on the Midenites. He told Moses and the Israelites to destroy their cities, kill all their animals, men, children and married women but spare the virgins. You can let then live for you to rape.
Sorry, StarquestCEO, I digress - you well telling us about morality coming from God. Please go on.
Now you actually believe the bit about humans living for hundreds of years, long ago? Was that before Noah's Arc - you know, when one man identified and collected male and female of 20,000 different species of spiders, from the tropics, polar regions, deserts and jungles, and made a suitable temperature and humidity controlled habitat for them with the right food, for 40 days and nights, such that they couldn't eat each other - and that's just the spiders. Oh and God hadn't invented the refraction of white light yet, 'cause there were no rainbows until after the flood - He just loved cryptic messages - rainbows = no more deadly floods - of course, clever G
Written by: RoyStone, 26 Dec 2011 11:54 PM
From: Australia
guillermone, and your point is?
Are you telling us that the Holt Bible is not the inerrant word of God?
Go beat yourself with birch canes, say 200 Holy Marys, put on a prickly shirt then take a cold shower, you Heretic!
From: United States
Yes, I do believe that at one time, man lived to be several hundred years old. But my beliefs tend to cut against the grain of mainstream Jewish, Christian, and Islamic doctrine. When you look at the DNA makeup of modern man you find that 70% or more of the genes are just fillers...junk genes. I believe that we are not genetically the same as the first man called Adam. We are a genetically-altered species.
From: United States
Life forms from beyond our planet, perhaps even on other Earth-like planets, far superior than us, have visited Earth and continue to visit Earth. They have altered the course of human development on Earth. However, my belief in God is such that nothing happens without his permission. This life forms are also created by God. Some of them were sent to simply teach the primitive Earth man. Yet others had sinister motives to make themselves Gods to be worshipped by this primitive Earth man. They conducted genetic experiments on them, and even impregnated the women with their seed. They also conducted experiments on animals. There are Biblical texts that speak of "giants" and of extra-terrestrial phenomenom, but the texts that were left out of the Bible paint a much clearer picture.....especially when viewd alongside writings that pre-date the "Biblical texts"
From: United States
Noah's Arc was a DNA repository. That story, as many Biblical stories should not to be taken literally.
Written by: RonEvane, 27 Dec 2011 1:13 AM
From: United States, Gaithersburg, Maryland
Mr/ms. CEO
You're such a deluded nut-job, I won't bother refuting any of your bizarre and deranged babble!
Although, "Noah's Arc was a DNA repository", makes sense!... Alright, I'll buy that one! This guy, Noah, was waaaaaaaaaay! ahead of his time.!.. My God!
From: United States
LOL....you atheists, agnostics and evolutionists want to have it both ways. EVOLUTION is a gradual...systematic process. It takes time. When you look at the development of man, you have to be an evolutionist who believes in God, or one who believes in superior life forms exist elsewhere in the universe. How, then do you account for this sudden influx of knowledge and technological ingenuity that primitive man acquired virtually overnight? He had to be:
1. taught by extra-terrestrial more advanced life forms from beyond the Earth, or
2. taught by earthly messengers and prophets of God, or
3. taught by God himself, through divine inspiration.
The man who was crawling around in caves and rubbing two stones together did not evolve into this sophisticated genius without any oustide intervention. If there was evolution...where are the tools he used? Certainly tools should be found near these monuments that even man today would have difficulty duplicating with his high tech machinery.
Written by: RonEvane, 27 Dec 2011 2:22 AM
From: United States, Gaithersburg, Maryland
[' How, then do you account for this sudden influx of knowledge and technological ingenuity that primitive man acquired virtually overnight? He had to be:']
1. taught by extra-terrestrial more advanced life forms from beyond the Earth, or
2. taught by earthly messengers and prophets of God, or
3. taught by God himself, through divine inspiration.
...Or, how about Evolution? Does that sound plausible?
From: Dominican Republic
"Every religion is true one way or another. It is true when understood metaphorically. But when it gets stuck in its own metaphors, interpreting them as facts, then you are in trouble."
Joseph Campbell
Written by: RoyStone, 28 Dec 2011 4:42 PM
From: Australia
StarquestCEO,
I have heard your jokes before. Erich von Däniken's "Chariots of the Gods?"
Ron,
Noah didn't invent the technology to store all of the world's DNA (except he didn't have time to include unicorn, mermaid, goblin and dinosaur DNA) - he was given it by extra-terrestrials - the same ones who built and operate HAARP, (cleverly disguised as American scientists).
Did you know that Isaac Newton's mum was abducted and impregnated by Christian aliens from Krypton? They timed it so he would be born the same day as Jesus!
Written by: RonEvane, 28 Dec 2011 6:52 PM
From: United States, Gaithersburg, Maryland
{Noah didn't invent the technology to store all of the world's DNA}
He didn't?.., well, ok. But you must admit, it makes a lot of sense! I mean, How else can you cram all of the planet's millions' species of living things in one ship, if not for the technology?
The one head-scratcher for me, though, is, how did he reconstitute all into living animals again?
I'd say, he must have been a darn good scientist!
PS: I did not know there were Christians in Krypton! I swear, I thought they were all Muslims!
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I did not know Haitians celebrate the birth of our Lord Jesus, to some of you it is just a fable.
Congratulations.........JWAYE NOWEL........
The illegals aren't going anywhere.
Be careful of what you ask for, my friend, you may very well expose your own frailties in the end. In your sarcastic critique of Haitians, you've opened up a Pandora's box. December 25 has nothing whatsoever to do with the birth of Jesus Christ and everything to do with pagan practices and idolatry. The same applies to the concept of the Christmas tree. These facts are so well-documented and easily available that a curious 4th grade student could find it within a few minutes. But I respect the right of churches to adopt pagan customs and practices and accept them as part of their religion. I just think it's hypocritical when one group criticizes another group as if one is more "authentic" then the other. It's like the pot calling the kettle black.
It is the celebration of consumerism - a retail festival.
How the Jews knew, 2 millennia in advance they would be so heavily involved in retail is beyond me.
As of RoyStone... What he says is worth shit, he only likes to bullshit and be noticed... I dont know why he always comments with bullshit. If youre an atheist... Good for u, nobody cares if you burn in hell dude, but you need to respect those who arent and truly believe... Moron
As legal workers they should be allow to come and go as they please, I don't know why is so difficult for this morons at cesfront to get a system going and control the flow of illegals coming in and allow the legal migrants to return home to their families, i guess the real money is made with the illegal haitians not the legal ones.
maldito corruptos del diantre
IF You were helping them to do such ... for years,
What is stopping you To Do So ... Right Now (?)
Are you not exposing yourselves??? you law breakers !!!
{"How the Jews knew, 2 millennia in advance they would be so heavily involved in retail is beyond me."}
Are you kidding, Roy!? It's all over the Bible. ...Look!
"For the FASHION of the world passeth away" Corinthians 7:31
"Man shall not live by bread alone" Matthew 4:4
"He is to examine it. If the mildew has spread in the clothing, or the knitted or leather material, the article is unclean" Leviticus 13:51 ( I think this may mean to dry-clean it.).
"Any clothing or leather that has SEMEN on it, must be washed with water." Leviticus 15:17 ( Not dry-cleaned).
"Do not wear clothing of two kinds of material" Leviticus 19:19 ( No blends for me!).
" A woman must not wear men's clothing, nor a man wear women's clothing, for God detests anyone who does this" Deuteronomy 22: 5
"He said unto them, 'but now you have a purse, take it and also a bag. And if you don't have a sword, sell your cloak and buy a new one" Luke 22:36 ( I think this may be a reference to return
It don't matter weather they are legal or not the DR, don't want hatians in their country, and if you have to ask why then you are not Dominican or don't know Dominicans.
From: United States
If they are legal, why is it so much trouble for them to come back?
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Becasue THEY ARE NOT!!! this idea of these people is like me going ILLEGALLY to US then asking ICE or CBP for permision to visit my family AND COMEBACK!!! that is how stupid this is!!! Illegal Dominicans DON"T have that CHOICE!!!
Romans emperor integrated this pagan celebration into Christianity when they adopted this religion, mainly in order to tame the roman pagan population : 2 celebrations in 1 religion. Actually Christianity has adopted this pagan practise.
Romans used to light fire to revive the sun (night being longer than day in winter), this is why we still have nowadays fir trees with lightened balls ( sun revival symbols)
Brujeria is very present in the DR. One of my dominican friend in La Romana is a Santeria priest , and he lives from this job. White, Black, Mulattoes dominicans they all come to visit him.
Hollywood racist movies showed us Voodoo as an evil religion , where people stabs puppets with pins. Actually, it is an European Custom which origin is to be found in ancient Rome (capital of Brujeria in antiquity) where easterners imported these practise...
Afterwards this practise (Puppets/Pins) was spread among all the brujos/as in Europe. During Inquisition many European brujos/brujas were deported to the new world (Brazil, Hispaniola etc) , like the convicts and many other serious criminal offenders (Gilberto Freyre, Larrazabal Blanco etc)
African slaves seeing that Europeans could control them ( mainly by criminal/murderous slave codes/punishments) adopted their ways including this Puppet/Pin practise to free themselves from slavery (thinking that Europeans could control them via a superior sorcery science) : see Roger Bastide ("Les Amériques Noires") and Melville Herkovits for more details.
In "Christian" Europe you still have brujos/brujas (French, Spain, England etc) , and the jews themselves are also well learned about sorcery/brujeria...
Going back to the subject, if they're legal where is the issue ? I can't see none
Its amazing how in less than 20yrs the Haitians have succeeded in doing what for 200 yrs they were unable to attain. Time continues to pass and in another ten years we are going to have another several thousand clamoring for their Dominican citizenship. The Dominicans are being pushed off the island and Dominican companies are complicit in this. In a generation DR will not look like DR. It will look like Haiti-East.
I'm saying that Brujeria belongs to all mankind: Europeans, Middle Easteners, Chinese, Africans , etc, etc and not only to the last group as it is highlighted in racist movies/books.
If they are illegals it's another debate I agree. But if so, it seems that your government and Industry are those responsible of this situation. How comes is it possible than in the DR everytime I see a new building being constructed more than 90 % of the workers are Haitians ? Cheaper labor force I guess (lower costs and more profits to the entrepreneurs)
Like all human being you go on the place where the grass is green . This is why most of the posters here live in the US I guess. Anyway good luck to my Dominican and Haitian brothers.Hope this issue will be settled one day.
Nehesy we are in agreement that spiritualism is in all societies, the problem with Haitians is that it has become a state religion in direct opposition to christian beliefs. I understand why the Israelites insist in having a predominant Jewish presence in their land. Its call survival. That is what we are facing in DR, survival of our ethnic, cultural, historic and religious identity. We can keep some Haitians as legal immigrants but the rest have to go. We cannot keep all these poverty refugees or we will sink into the abyss Haiti has of too many people and not enough resources to support them.
Haitians must follow China's example of one child per family to get a hold of their overpopulation.
DR territory is not their outl
Protect you border it's your right , now Israel may not be the best example to follow
Que maldita ironia, eh?
Sigo diciendo hay que concentrar todo esfuerzo en parar mas entradas illegales, despues se puede dedicar tiempo y esfuerzo a situaciones como la de este articulo.
However if we think for a moment that is like saying, "we have microwaves" who needs Shakespeare.
{"Atheist say, "we have science" who needs religion.
However if we think for a moment that is like saying, "we have microwaves" who needs Shakespeare."}
Good one, Guillermone!... Problem is,... are Shakespeare's writings considered beautiful fiction? and/or Is the Bible also considered beautiful fiction? Do we act out our lives according to Shakespeare's plays? Do we consider them gospel truth?...to be followed verbatim/literally? Consider the ramifications!
Yes, we have science. Who needs religion? Absolutely no one in his right mind!.. Are you in your right mind?
Evolution, creationism or intelligent design are questions of fact, not personal choice. It is not like preferring coffee with of without sugar.
There is no scientific, historic, geological, archeological or rational evidence for creationism or intelligent design. There is massive evidence for evolution. Hence belief in creationism or intelligent design is a delusion, of as you may chose to call it, faith.
The relationship between science and religion has nothing what-so-ever to do with the relationship between microwaves and Shakespeare.
These types of analogies are very popular with believers in the invisible man in the sky, because such belief does not withstand logic, so they use a phony logic. Lets say A and B are like C and D. Well, A = B therefore C = D. Bull@hit!
>>whenever you mention the name Jesus all the pagans, non believers, anti-christian, or whatever you wanna call them come out of the woodwork as if that name offend them.<<
You got me all wrong. I believe in and honor Jesus Christ, as well as his immaculate conception. I just don't worship him or his mother. I don't because he never commanded anyone to worhsip him. He told them to worhsip the Father. The early Christians never celebrated the birth of Jesus either. Fir, pine, evergreen trees don't even exist in the part of the world where Jesus was born. Early Christian settlers in America considered the decorating and lighting of the tree as a pagan ritual...so much so that it was a banned practice in colonial America. You can call me a purist....but you can't call me an atheist or anti-Jesus.
I didn't crucify you my friend. I only cautioned you against being so arrogant as if your religion is free of acts of paganism and idolatry. If I ever met you in public we could sit down enjoy a meal and have a civil discussion and agree to disagree. I was simply warning you not to be so arrogant. This is not the way of true Christians. Jesus said "He who is not guilty of sin...cast the first stone." You knew very well that Haitians are primarily Catholics. But in your hatred for these people you deny your very own Christian brother just because of his ethnic background. True Christians don't do this.
Dominican Republic is no more a Christian country than Haiti is..or for that matter, the United States. What makes Dominican Republic any more Christian than any other country? The majority of the people claim Christianity as their faith, but the actual practice of Christianity is not reflected in the people or the government. I am not picking on Dominican Republic. The same can be said of Haiti and the United States. The only country that can truly claim to be a Christian country is one who governs by Biblical principles and the majority of its people lives by these principles. There are many, many, good Christian people in this country, I have met many of them personally. But prostitution is rampant, people celebrate the birth of Jesus Christ by getting drunk on alcohol. The streets are not safe for the young women and the elderly. There is little to no respect for the rule of law.
You made a half-veiled attempt to belittle Haitians by suggesting that they do not celebrate the birth of Jesus Christ. You know darn well that they do. But you think that their inclusion of other non-Christian elements in their religion somehow disqualifies them from being Christian....or is it their ethnicity that you have a problem with? The majority of the Christian world has a problem with innovations in Catholicism...infact many don't even regard Catholics as Christians but a separate religion all together.
You're very arrogant for a Christian. You're also bordering on becoming a liar by twisting my words. I clearly indicate in my post that even a curious 4th grader could find this truth. But what truth was I referring to?.....the truth that December 25 and the practices around it are all rooted in paganism and idolatry. You conveniently evaded this TRUTH and instead made a rather feeble attempt to trivialize what I said. Nice try.
So what country would that be?
Where do they stone people to death for working on a Saturday?
Where is it okay to beat your slave to death, provided he does not die the same day?
Where are grandchildren punished for the wrongdoings of their grandparents?
Every book of the Holy Buy-Bull is by an unknown author. Certainly the 4 gospels were not written by anyone before 70 AD, and were written in Greek, not Aramaic, which excludes anyone like the mythical disciples of the mythical Jesus.
Regardless it "worked" and plunged Europe into the Dark Ages, and the Catholic Church is still the biggest, wealthiest, multinational corporation, and the only tax-exempt one, with diplomatic immunity from the law.
The concept of God is too great for our puny little human minds.
It is beyond your and my capacity to grasp. But I sure will try real hard to understand
until I can finally get it. You can't cram for the exam on this one.
The standard Deist cop-out no-brainer (when cornered by logic) goes like this:
"You can't explain God, to someone with limited human understanding, just like you can't explain to an ant the workings of a TV set."
Yeah, right!
Now tell me why and briefly explain the reason behind universal laws?
{"The concept of God is too great for our puny little human minds.
It is beyond your and my capacity to grasp."}
Puny little minds and its’ limited capacity to understand, is the reason why we attribute astonishing/bewildering events in reality to a God or a supernatural being. ..In other words, the concept of a god is the answer to events in natural phenomenon that are not understood at the time of observation.
So, yes, our minds are too limited and primitive to understand the reason for things being what they are, therefore, we result to a god to explain the reason for things being as they are..... It’s as simple as that.
{"When the student of science approaches science with an open mind, he/she will inevitably arrive at the conclusion that the more indepth the study, the more evidence is revealed that supports the existence of intelligent design."}
Au contraire, mon ami.
The more indepth in science one becomes, the more deeply one fathoms nature's secrets. The more we learn, the more we realize our place in the overall nature of things, which has absolute nothing to do with magic or supernatural beings.
The belief in a god is a relic of ignorance and superstition.
From: United States, California
@ings0389--
"It don't matter weather they are legal or not the DR, don't want hatians in their country, and if you have to ask why then you are not Dominican or don't know Dominicans."
Then why are they letting them in and giving them jobs.
Since you are so dominican, you should leave the UNITED STATES and go fight on the border to save your country.
Start an organization like the KKK to hunt down haitians in DR.
Form a group to attack trucks crossing the border or bomb those construction sites that employ Haitians.
Turn the border into a war zone,
Until you are ready to take action, Haiti will keep sending its POOREST and DARKEST to DR.
ALL TALK and NO ACTION.........then learn to live with it and accept it.
Your logic is infallible. Then with your superior understanding of science, please explain who intelligently designed the intelligent designer?
God is not the answer for anything - it's just avoiding the question.
If a knowledge of science leads to the conclusion there is an intelligent designer, how come no real scientists have come that conclusion - they are not as smart as you?
(... and please don't trot out Creation pseudo-scientists or the odd pre-Darwinian scientist)
You believe there is something beyond your comprehension? Yes I'm sure there is. Natural evolution.
Lol. Sir, I don't argue with atheists or agnostics. I am willing to admit that the concept of a self-created God who is above His creation and not part of it, is beyond the scope of belief of some people. I am not one of these self-righteous super-pious individuals who wants to convert everybody and make everyone a believer. I can name you many scientists today who are Christian, Muslim, Jewish, etc. who have completed all of the schools of learning to qualify them as scientists but you will just summarily dismiss them as "psuedo-scientists" because they have reached a conclusion that is different than yours. When a mosquito pulls back the sheath of its barb and "prepares" its victim for the procedure of extracting blood....blood she only needs to later feed and nourish its young, it first injects a small amount of anesthesia. Without this anesthesia, the injected needle would be immediately felt and painful so that the mosquito will be killed before the blood was taken...
You don't need to be an Atheist to reject Creationism, or Intelligent Design (a euphemism for Creationism). Yes some scientists say they are Christian, but that does not mean they believe in Creationism or Intelligent Design. Even the Vatican and Pope Ratzinger officially accept Evolution as a scientific fact.
I don't know what point you were making about mosquito-bites but anyway you are wrong. Mosquitoes inject anti-coagulant not anesthetic. Where did you get that pseudo-science from - an Intelligent Design website? It is not even logical, since a mosquito can't inject anything until it has penetrated the skin with the mandibles.
There is nothing "behind" universal laws. That's what's so "universal" about them.
"Reason" like good and evil, is a man-made concept. None of these exist in nature.
You are looking for an answer to a meaningless question.
Next?
Please point to me any recognized peer-reviewed scientific paper that confirms mosquitoes inject an anesthetic. Regardless, this would not confirm intelligent design. Also find me a list of real biological scientists who believe in creation of intelligent design.
Also tell me what's so merciful about millions suffering and dying from malaria, yellow fever, dengue fever, not to mention the masses of other suffering caused by your God's magic. Also if God's creation was perfect, as claimed by Christians, why would there be any need for adaptation?
Before arguing and further, read up on evolution from those who know (not creation pseudo-scientists). I've read up on your Bible, the supposed inerrant word of your God. Well if it's true then he sure ain't merciful, and does not warrant my respect, let alone worship.
The religious fanatic’s way in delving into the wonders of the universe is to chuck it all to a “creator” and simply leave it at that. We need not concern ourselves with nature. Things are just what they are because God made it that way. If malaria and dengue fever kill thousands, it’s because God wished it to be that way and we should not interfere by making vaccines, or otherwise try to meddle in His “Grand plan”. Remember God only punishes sinners. Everyone else becomes immune to said diseases.
“I know the plans I have for you, declares the Lord, plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future. (Jeremiah 29:11)”
Humanity is the only animal species on this planet that can think on a higher plane. We are fully awared of our mortality and are, generally, very much afraid of it. We are, therefore, mystified and bewildered about what lies in the afterlife.
Do we simply die, just like any other animal? Do we have a “soul”? And what happens to it, when we’re gone? If we follow all the teachings in the Bible, do we go to heaven for all eternity? Or do we believe that the penalty for unrepentant sinners is to suffer forever in the burning fires of hell?
John 1:18 "No one has ever seen God."
What happens to us after we die, has been a scary obsession and deep preoccupation for humanity since we understood life and death. We have invented all kinds of Gods and all types of sacrifices to assure our place in the here-after. Dumb and deluded people think they can “cut a deal” with God by doing his bidding –whatever that is- It could be anything from “kill your first-born” to....
"give your daughters to be defile", to "smite them all"!
How do you like this one: 1st. Samuel 15:3
"Now listen to what the Lord almighty says...Go and attack the Amalekites and completely destroy everything they have. Don't leave a thing; kill all the men, women, children and babies; the cattle, sheep, camels and donkeys"!!!
And they ask me why I'm an atheist!?
The adult deliberately inflicts pain upon a child's unacceptable behavior with the immediate aims of such punishment to halt the offense, prevent its recurrence and to set an example for others. The long-term goal is to change the child's behavior and to assure consistence with the adult's expectations. In corporal punishment, the adult usually hits various parts of the child's body with a hand, or with canes, paddles, yardsticks, belts, or other objects expected to cause pain and fear. The adults who publically humiliate children and punish by force and pain are often causing more harm than they prevent.
And they ask me why I am against education !?
Sorry, StarquestCEO, I digress - you well telling us about morality coming from God. Please go on.
Now you actually believe the bit about humans living for hundreds of years, long ago? Was that before Noah's Arc - you know, when one man identified and collected male and female of 20,000 different species of spiders, from the tropics, polar regions, deserts and jungles, and made a suitable temperature and humidity controlled habitat for them with the right food, for 40 days and nights, such that they couldn't eat each other - and that's just the spiders. Oh and God hadn't invented the refraction of white light yet, 'cause there were no rainbows until after the flood - He just loved cryptic messages - rainbows = no more deadly floods - of course, clever G
Are you telling us that the Holt Bible is not the inerrant word of God?
Go beat yourself with birch canes, say 200 Holy Marys, put on a prickly shirt then take a cold shower, you Heretic!
Mr/ms. CEO
You're such a deluded nut-job, I won't bother refuting any of your bizarre and deranged babble!
Although, "Noah's Arc was a DNA repository", makes sense!... Alright, I'll buy that one! This guy, Noah, was waaaaaaaaaay! ahead of his time.!.. My God!
1. taught by extra-terrestrial more advanced life forms from beyond the Earth, or
2. taught by earthly messengers and prophets of God, or
3. taught by God himself, through divine inspiration.
The man who was crawling around in caves and rubbing two stones together did not evolve into this sophisticated genius without any oustide intervention. If there was evolution...where are the tools he used? Certainly tools should be found near these monuments that even man today would have difficulty duplicating with his high tech machinery.
[' How, then do you account for this sudden influx of knowledge and technological ingenuity that primitive man acquired virtually overnight? He had to be:']
1. taught by extra-terrestrial more advanced life forms from beyond the Earth, or
2. taught by earthly messengers and prophets of God, or
3. taught by God himself, through divine inspiration.
...Or, how about Evolution? Does that sound plausible?
Joseph Campbell
I have heard your jokes before. Erich von Däniken's "Chariots of the Gods?"
Ron,
Noah didn't invent the technology to store all of the world's DNA (except he didn't have time to include unicorn, mermaid, goblin and dinosaur DNA) - he was given it by extra-terrestrials - the same ones who built and operate HAARP, (cleverly disguised as American scientists).
Did you know that Isaac Newton's mum was abducted and impregnated by Christian aliens from Krypton? They timed it so he would be born the same day as Jesus!
{Noah didn't invent the technology to store all of the world's DNA}
He didn't?.., well, ok. But you must admit, it makes a lot of sense! I mean, How else can you cram all of the planet's millions' species of living things in one ship, if not for the technology?
The one head-scratcher for me, though, is, how did he reconstitute all into living animals again?
I'd say, he must have been a darn good scientist!
PS: I did not know there were Christians in Krypton! I swear, I thought they were all Muslims!