Santiago. – The residents of two sprawling barrios in Santiago are telling the undocumented Haitians, using signs posted in several areas, to leave or face expulsions when their deadline expires on February 27, precisely the day in 1844 when Dominicans mark their independence from a bloody Haitian rule.
The Haitians who live in the barrios San José and La Mina, where near 3,000 have already left voluntarily, have decided to remain despite the threat, and affirm that the locals are racists.
One of the foreigners in the community accuses many Dominicans of being “racists” and vows to stay put. “I stayed here to live, but they have expelled us for racism and anti-Haitian attitude here, a Dominican does something bad and it sticks to us” said Renson Pierre, a Haitian who said he has lived there for nearly two years.
The barrio leaders said the signs, posted both in Spanish and Creole, seek the peaceful exit of the foreigners, and complain that the Immigration Agency has yet to take “forceful” actions against what they say is an “invasion” of undocumented Haitians.
Written by: martin, 22 Feb 2011 11:50 AM
From: United States, boston to S.P.M 23
pa fuera
Written by: xwill7, 22 Feb 2011 12:02 PM
From: United States, El cuarto bate
Did jimmy write that sign?
Written by: martin, 22 Feb 2011 12:15 PM
From: United States, boston to S.P.M 23
lol this massage goin on 2 gmiller jim h and basta
Written by: xwill7, 22 Feb 2011 12:30 PM
From: United States, El cuarto bate
They must have hired you bonaoisimo
From: United States
Inept government causes citizens to take matters into their own hands. This is non-violent which is good, I would think supposed RACISTS would form a lynch mob.
As for the Haitian that's "staying put" he's a criminal with no remorse for his crime.
As for the idiotic Chilidrina, kreyol is a established corruption with sources available online, I can easily make signs in kreyol despite not knowing it.
Written by: martin, 22 Feb 2011 12:56 PM
From: United States, boston to S.P.M 23
tan killao los haitianos we sign like this para el 27 cono es pa fuera
Written by: Belly, 22 Feb 2011 1:24 PM
From: United States, Seattle, W.A.
With all due respect DT should play a more responsible roll in picking the title for this article because it could lead non-creole and Spanish speakers to believe these Dominican are being racist. When in reality they are NOT.
The title says: "Barrio dwellers post signs in Creole warning Haitians to leave"
When it should say: "Barrio dwellers post signs in Creole warning "ILLEGAL" Haitians to leave"
For this simple and many other reasons is why they are using the keyword "RACISM" when this is a simple case of illegality. So please change it to portrait the real message.
From: United States, Brooklyn
How symbolic and comical even, to have the haitians leave by the 27 de Febrero.... jajajjajaja
Written by: martin, 22 Feb 2011 4:49 PM
From: United States, boston to S.P.M 23
no basta 100% of haitians like u tink they are dominican ur idiot that what it mean
From: United States
Dominicans understand that sometimes you just have to do things for yourself because your government is a complete joke. If my neighborhood was being infested with illegal Haitians causing problems I would want them gone too.
Written by: Pepe32, 22 Feb 2011 10:05 PM
From: Dominican Republic
The signs should be in English ,Spanish ,French,Kreyol,German ,Swedish and Pictograms to make sure every one gets the message
From: United States
I seriously hope the Government steps in and does the responsible thing. Because having the neighborhoods trying to remove Haitians is only going to cause more problems. There are no doubt Haitians and Dominicans both 'prepared' for violence and that is simply a recipe for disaster. There will likely be many innocent victims and bystanders. What is really dangerous is that when the vigilante movement begins there will likely be no notion to ascertain whether a person is Legal or Illegal, it could quickly degenerate into a 'find a Haitian, remove him/her by any means necessary' type of situation and that is not good. Haitians and Dominicans both need to be reasonable, respectful and peaceful as possible regardless of what happens. Its sad to see so much contention among people of the same Island.
From: Haiti
Dominicans need to find a better way to enforce their laws. Why the F**K do you have police if citizens have to take the law into their own hands? Can you imagine Haitians in Haiti chasing out (by force) Dominicans who live in Haiti? What would the international community say? What would Dominicans say and how would they feel? The proper authorities should be the ones to enforce the laws through legal means. Community members will proceed by way of their emotions and this is a very dangerous approach. We all know this, don't we? Have you ever seen two neighbors going at it, out of pure emotions (gone mad)? Who steps in? The authorities! Before things get out of hand and before many people end up dead and before children see their parents being killed in the streets, the authorities need to take this bull by the horns, PERIOD!
From: Haiti
Sorry guys, I try not to get emotional about these stories but all of us "intellects" can see this train wreck coming and instead of the authorities putting some order to this process, the trains are allowed to speed up! Maybe I'm wrong.
From: United States
@superlover - I agree, it is simply a recipe for disaster. Just as you said the vigilante groups can easily allow patriotic and personal emotion to blind them. There is already much frustration on both sides, and that is not good. Not only that if people know that there may be 'action' taking place on a certain date, then likely they will be preparing themselves for conflict, and that also is not good. The Dominican Government HAS to step in and neutralize this situation.
Written by: cantave, 23 Feb 2011 1:09 AM
From: United States, !<82ndAbd>!Lt.Tigah>Fort Bragg>North Carolina, U.S>Platoon Leader>Tactical Hardcore.
Enough with threats, going to do this, going to do that, go on with it, get it over with.
Stop being sisis and back your word up.
Let’s see who’s got cojones.
Semper "the Mercilless one " Fidelis............
Written by: fafico, 23 Feb 2011 7:45 AM
From: Dominican Republic
So now to fight ilegality we use ilegality. This is plain and simple the threat of force against a community. Dont kid yourselves about that this been peacefull, no threats is peacefull. This is racism at its worst. Can you imagine if the neighborss of Corona, Queens make signs telling us that we better leave the US before July 4th ?? Take the hate out and think.
From: United States
Desperate times call for desperate measures, fafico. If your government can no longer guarantee your nation's sovereignty it is up to it's citizens to step in. I'm no fan of vigilante justice but there's a breaking point.
Where is the racism? Why are signs not being made pushing out black Dominicans then, fafico?
Your comparison to a fictional similar action in the USA is a straw man. If you want to debate this story stick to the meat of the story and not informal fallacies. Anything less I won't bother responding to.
From: Haiti
El Torodei,
You seem like a pretty smart guy. Have you ever tried to wash blood off your hands? Have you ever tried to sleep a full night without being awoken by the faces of people who you have seen killed in a brutal way? If theses are desperate times for the DR then they need to focus on what needs fixing. First "your gov't" then the Haitian illegals. The proper process of authority is required, not vigilante justice. Why do you think the people of Haiti are always looking to overthrow their gov't? It's because, as candidates, they always promise to do away with the monopolies but when they get in power, they quickly become a step-child for the rich of Haiti.
I was reading the other night about two towns in the US. One is called Rosewood (Florida) and the other is called Tulsa (Tulsa, Oklahoma Race Riots). These were clear examples of what happens when people take the law into their own hands. Look at how long these stories have been case studies for historians.
Written by: Pepe32, 23 Feb 2011 12:44 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Unless MASSIVE deportations and a lockdown of the border commence soon violence is inevitable .
I think Toro summed it up very well ,vigilante justice is not good but when their is no justice people take matters into their own hands. ILLEGAL Haitians can leave the country and avoid this problem.
From: Haiti
Why is there no justice? In Haiti, I understand (8,000 police) to the DR's 39,000 police. Or maybe Haiti's Army (0) to the DR's Army/Military (A large number).
Guys this can be negotiated without bloodshed and loss of life. If we can only see violence as the answer, I am afraid that we are as brilliant and in the same category as George Bush, Jr. What a legacy to follow!
Written by: Belly, 23 Feb 2011 1:21 PM
From: United States, Seattle, W.A.
Super_lover
Guys this can be negotiated without bloodshed and loss of life.
And that's exactly why Dominicans are posting signs in their(Haitian) own language(creole) to avoid the usual "I didn't know that was coming". They are asking nicely for those who broke the law and entered into DR illegally to go back voluntarily. I don't see a single thing wrong here with people asking for the law to be uphold by those breaking it, in this case illegal Haitians and those who are suppose to uphold it (CESFRONT). They have been bringing this message to illegal Haitians for months now and they are simply saying that the dateline is up soon.
Written by: vegano, 23 Feb 2011 3:08 PM
From: Dominican Republic
That was a great way to communicate to the Haitians that they need to leave by the 27th. They have been told and advised to leave. The D.R Government can't handle, and the Haitians government are not helping either. So it is upto the Dominican citizens to rid the town of the illegals. I now many of you Haitians don't like it but one way or the other they have to go. We are sending to much of our resources caring for them, when we should be spending it on the Dominican citizens that are suffering and going hungry also. Fellow Haitians that live in DR legally you love living in DR because of your safety, if we keep letting the illegal and uneducated Haitians in you won't sleep good at night, ;-) . They most go they are destroying the country (termites). Go back and help them fellow educated Haitians. Peace y amor.
Written by: cantave, 23 Feb 2011 3:36 PM
From: United States, !<82ndAbd>!Lt.Tigah>Fort Bragg>North Carolina, U.S>Platoon Leader>Tactical Hardcore.
violence is inevitable???? Jajajajajajajaj!!!!
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Let it be violence then, I cant wait to see what will happen on27 Feb 2011.
Massive genocide of Haitians living in DR?????
Nahhhhhhhhh!!!
I kind of doubt that, there are no cojones over there to back it up.
Semper "the Mercilless one " Fidelis............
From: Haiti
Guys, look, I don't hate Dominicans and if I have not said it before, I will state it now - "I don't hate Dominicans". This campaign to get rid of the Haitians is brilliant but deceptive. When most of you get to be my age, the one thing that you will recognize (like an ugly transvestite) is the game of politics that is being played. On the one hand, the government is slowly repatriating but doing it just enough to report 2 to 3 thousand per month, additional with perhaps a target of 100,000 - 150,000 repatriations. This is to satisfy the Haitian haters. On the other hand, LF and his cabinet will not allow the repatriations to reach levels that will insult or affect the business of Dominican moguls like the Vicini clan and their sugar empire. The Vicini's are bringing in huge investments, movie studios, famous actors and directors. Do you really think that the current administration wants to upset the businesses of these gurus? Start opening your eyes to the truth!
From: United States
Cantave why do u want to incite Dominican passions against your compatriots. Especially in the city of Santiago which always bore the brunt of the Haitian invasions of the 1800's. There are many families of Santiago that still hold on to the memories of their ancestors (females) being kidnapped by the haitian army, raped and murdered as they retreated back to Haiti in their failed attempts to reconquer the eastern part of the island after the revolution of 1844. The Dominican armies chasing them back to the border would find the abused bodies along the way. The presence of haitian illegals in Santiago is an affront to the memories of these Dominican women. Its not racism. Its indignation. Unfortunately for the poor Haitian masses this crucial piece of history has never been taught to them. Hopefully humane voices will speak up to avoid violence, but if there was one city the Haitians should have avoided it is Santiago. Cantave u r safe and sound in N. Carolina.
Written by: cantave, 24 Feb 2011 2:55 PM
From: United States, !<82ndAbd>!Lt.Tigah>Fort Bragg>North Carolina, U.S>Platoon Leader>Tactical Hardcore.
venganzaderafael
It will not be violence, I’ll bet on that. this not the 1800s, (past,past,past).Some Dominicans should let it go and move on.
Just that simple.
Semper "the Mercilless one " Fidelis............
Written by: Pepe32, 24 Feb 2011 8:28 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Super "lover" things can change dramatically from one day to another ,in the early 1900's Haitians had pretty much occupied certain areas of the border but then came a young military man from San Cristobal and things unfortunately took a turn towards bloodshed. I am sure Mubarak could never have foreseen the events that would lead to his demise and I think you and many foreigners who have been fed false information about my country have no idea how strong the sentiments really run and how dangerous the situation is becoming with the potential of being far worse than the time of Trujillo because at that time it was orchestrated by a dictatorship but now it is the poor masses in DR that are threatening to explode so it would be a much more personal reaction with long term implications.
The government has long been playing the "deportation" of 10 while allowing 100 to enter but the people are fed up and the longer it takes the more absolute the demands will get because until now
Written by: Pepe32, 24 Feb 2011 8:31 PM
From: Dominican Republic
it is directed only at illegal Haitians but if allowed to continue it may devolve into a real anti_haitian sentiment. The government is playing with fire and the people they are playing with have little to lose since they are not the ones reaping the benefits of the cheap Haitian labour yet they suffer the brunt of the negative effects.
With this atmosphere all it would take is an action by Haitians in any of these areas to light the fire and all of Leonel's firefighters won't be able to douse those flames.
Written by: Pepe32, 24 Feb 2011 8:39 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Venganza ,Cantave is descended in his own words from experts in the art of running away from the enemy .He talks trash like many Haitians in Canada and elsewhere who aren't the ones in danger so it is easy for this piti who loves marines and fantasizes with his toy soldiers to speak so bravely but if he were in DR and things turned "hot" he would leave a clear brown trail westward. Yes the authorities need to take the bull by the horns and start LARGE SCALE deportations NOW!
Fafico ,you are deluded in your comparison because if you are illegal in Corona then you can be deported and the people from the area can report you and can demand your deportation because you are breaking the law .We are speaking of illegals which is a migratory condition not a race so please take your race card elsewhere!
Written by: Pepe32, 24 Feb 2011 8:51 PM
From: Dominican Republic
The Dominican government has a big dilemma on their hands ,on one side the Dominican people and on the other the illegal Haitians and the corporations,no matter which they choose they are in trouble but if they move against Dominicans who are only requesting the enforce DOMINICAN laws then they will go into the annals of Dominican history as traitors !
Instead of intervening as BJP says to stop the action of our people they should send trucks (with handrails for BJP) and soldiers to deport each and every Haitian that is not in the country legally .That would remove all tensions and signal a respect for the law because if they allow the Haitians to stay then they will be confronting Dominicans to defend Haitians and their own monetary interests .
From: United States
Viva Santo Domingo!! Muerte a todas las plagas que no dejan nuestra sociedad avancar! Para fuera con los Haitianos. No somos un pais rico para tener que aguantar a otro pais. Ya basta diciendo que somos racista! Esa no es la rason por la cual se deben ir los Haitianos si no porque es nuestro pais y nosotros somos los que devemos decidir lo que pasa no los Haitianos.
Written by: cantave, 24 Feb 2011 9:18 PM
From: United States, !<82ndAbd>!Lt.Tigah>Fort Bragg>North Carolina, U.S>Platoon Leader>Tactical Hardcore.
Pepe le pew!!
Talk is cheap, you live in DR go ahead with your mob , round up the Haitians and we shall see how big is your cojones.
Go ahead make their day.
Semper "the Merciless one” Fidelis............
Written by: cantave, 24 Feb 2011 9:20 PM
From: United States, !<82ndAbd>!Lt.Tigah>Fort Bragg>North Carolina, U.S>Platoon Leader>Tactical Hardcore.
Written by: Chris1010, 24 Feb 2011 9:13 PM
From: United States
Viva Santo Domingo!! Muerte a todas las plagas que no dejan nuestra sociedad avancar! Para fuera con los Haitianos. No somos un pais rico para tener que aguantar a otro pais. Ya basta diciendo que somos racista! Esa no es la rason por la cual se deben ir los Haitianos si no porque es nuestro pais y nosotros somos los que devemos decidir lo que pasa no los Haitianos.
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Hey!! immigrant speak english.
Semper "the Merciless one” Fidelis............
From: United States
you are right cantave I am an immigrant but see there's a difference I and my family are legal we pay taxes. We aren't a problem to the U.S. instead we help it unlike the Haitians that do the contrary.
From: United States
Interesting I see we have another Jimmy here. This time in white version from carolina. Wait! White lol no red!
From: United States
Fellas we must keep in mind that this situation came about because of a natural disaster. I don't blame our desperate Haitian brothers AND sisters (all Dominican men with ancestry from Santiago consider ourselves gentlemen so we must temper our actions in consideration of the women and children involved) for taking advantage of the opportunity to emigrate unimpeded to the more prosperous side of the island. The problem is that DR does not have the institutional infrastructure to support what is in fact a refugee situation. When similar situations have occurred in other parts of the world the refugees were placed in a camp where INTERNATIONAL aid could be distributed in the form of food, clean water, and medical attention. What occurred in DR was a dereliction of duty by the international community in pressuring DR to allow the disorderly emigration without offering to help support the refugees and a major dereliction by the DR gov't in accepting this.
Written by: Pepe32, 24 Feb 2011 11:36 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Venganza ,you are almost correct except that the situation was already bad before the earthquake and was just made unbearable after the earthquake ,also if Dominicans were truly as bad as they want to paint us the blood would have started running long ago but instead we did everything we could and more to help Haiti but now things are getting to the breaking point and the main culprit is our own government!
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As for the Haitian that's "staying put" he's a criminal with no remorse for his crime.
As for the idiotic Chilidrina, kreyol is a established corruption with sources available online, I can easily make signs in kreyol despite not knowing it.
The title says: "Barrio dwellers post signs in Creole warning Haitians to leave"
When it should say: "Barrio dwellers post signs in Creole warning "ILLEGAL" Haitians to leave"
For this simple and many other reasons is why they are using the keyword "RACISM" when this is a simple case of illegality. So please change it to portrait the real message.
How symbolic and comical even, to have the haitians leave by the 27 de Febrero.... jajajjajaja
Stop being sisis and back your word up.
Let’s see who’s got cojones.
Semper "the Mercilless one " Fidelis............
Where is the racism? Why are signs not being made pushing out black Dominicans then, fafico?
Your comparison to a fictional similar action in the USA is a straw man. If you want to debate this story stick to the meat of the story and not informal fallacies. Anything less I won't bother responding to.
You seem like a pretty smart guy. Have you ever tried to wash blood off your hands? Have you ever tried to sleep a full night without being awoken by the faces of people who you have seen killed in a brutal way? If theses are desperate times for the DR then they need to focus on what needs fixing. First "your gov't" then the Haitian illegals. The proper process of authority is required, not vigilante justice. Why do you think the people of Haiti are always looking to overthrow their gov't? It's because, as candidates, they always promise to do away with the monopolies but when they get in power, they quickly become a step-child for the rich of Haiti.
I was reading the other night about two towns in the US. One is called Rosewood (Florida) and the other is called Tulsa (Tulsa, Oklahoma Race Riots). These were clear examples of what happens when people take the law into their own hands. Look at how long these stories have been case studies for historians.
I think Toro summed it up very well ,vigilante justice is not good but when their is no justice people take matters into their own hands. ILLEGAL Haitians can leave the country and avoid this problem.
Guys this can be negotiated without bloodshed and loss of life. If we can only see violence as the answer, I am afraid that we are as brilliant and in the same category as George Bush, Jr. What a legacy to follow!
Guys this can be negotiated without bloodshed and loss of life.
And that's exactly why Dominicans are posting signs in their(Haitian) own language(creole) to avoid the usual "I didn't know that was coming". They are asking nicely for those who broke the law and entered into DR illegally to go back voluntarily. I don't see a single thing wrong here with people asking for the law to be uphold by those breaking it, in this case illegal Haitians and those who are suppose to uphold it (CESFRONT). They have been bringing this message to illegal Haitians for months now and they are simply saying that the dateline is up soon.
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Let it be violence then, I cant wait to see what will happen on27 Feb 2011.
Massive genocide of Haitians living in DR?????
Nahhhhhhhhh!!!
I kind of doubt that, there are no cojones over there to back it up.
Semper "the Mercilless one " Fidelis............
It will not be violence, I’ll bet on that. this not the 1800s, (past,past,past).Some Dominicans should let it go and move on.
Just that simple.
Semper "the Mercilless one " Fidelis............
The government has long been playing the "deportation" of 10 while allowing 100 to enter but the people are fed up and the longer it takes the more absolute the demands will get because until now
With this atmosphere all it would take is an action by Haitians in any of these areas to light the fire and all of Leonel's firefighters won't be able to douse those flames.
Fafico ,you are deluded in your comparison because if you are illegal in Corona then you can be deported and the people from the area can report you and can demand your deportation because you are breaking the law .We are speaking of illegals which is a migratory condition not a race so please take your race card elsewhere!
Instead of intervening as BJP says to stop the action of our people they should send trucks (with handrails for BJP) and soldiers to deport each and every Haitian that is not in the country legally .That would remove all tensions and signal a respect for the law because if they allow the Haitians to stay then they will be confronting Dominicans to defend Haitians and their own monetary interests .
Pepe le pew!!
Talk is cheap, you live in DR go ahead with your mob , round up the Haitians and we shall see how big is your cojones.
Go ahead make their day.
Semper "the Merciless one” Fidelis............
From: United States
Viva Santo Domingo!! Muerte a todas las plagas que no dejan nuestra sociedad avancar! Para fuera con los Haitianos. No somos un pais rico para tener que aguantar a otro pais. Ya basta diciendo que somos racista! Esa no es la rason por la cual se deben ir los Haitianos si no porque es nuestro pais y nosotros somos los que devemos decidir lo que pasa no los Haitianos.
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Hey!! immigrant speak english.
Semper "the Merciless one” Fidelis............