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SANTIAGO.- A Haitian historian and university professor warns Dominicans to start getting used to living “in communion” with the Haitians, because, in his view, "like it or not," the island’s fusion “is just around the corner.”

Reinseinthe Paul Joseph, a Port-au-Prince University professor who moved to Canada, said he supports Haiti presidential candidate Michel Martelly, who in his view has a clear position and without "taboos," that the only solution to the massive immigration of Haitians to Dominican territory, is fusing both countries as a single nation. "The time has come for Haitians to have free access to the Dominican Republic, because the so-called frontier which supposedly divides us is a myth."

Joseph said Dominican president Leonel Fernandez has met with the candidate Mirlande Manigat but discards he can doing the same with Martelly, "because he (Fernandez) knows that when we win, his pride and the Dominicans’ rancid racism against Haitians will be finished."

Interviewed by Inter News Service (INS) the Haitian historian noted however that although he supports the fusion of Haiti and Dominican Republic, his country’s compatriots and politicians must start looking for alternatives, because his country’s only salvation is to press the international community to persuade the Dominican part to definitively open the border so the Haitians "who die of hunger" enter and leave Dominican Republic without the traumas they currently face.

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286 comment(s)
Written by: MS_Jersey, 24 Feb 2011 9:15 AM
From: United States, NJ (M_ S Cibaeno 100%)
This guy got some balls. There will be a huge blood shed before that happens.

Haitians just like to lean on somebody else's back, why?

GO OUT AND WORK FOR YOUR OWN P.O.S COUNTRY, don't wait for us to try fix everything for you.

I get so angry at people like this prideless mofo, I just wanna have him in front of mE.

Wyclef is going around preaching the same crap. Im telling, they all the same.
Written by: montesino, 24 Feb 2011 9:22 AM
From: United States
Santiago/Miami,
This guy has lost his fv(k!&g mind! And that's all I gotta say about that.......
Written by: tschotschua, 24 Feb 2011 9:27 AM
From: Germany, Koblenz, Rheinland-Pfalz
Haiti is such a Big Mess, It is like a Black Hole claiming for space to be destroyed.
anyhow, every thing come to an end.
Written by: Avaro, 24 Feb 2011 9:46 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Ensanche Ozama
DR will never merge with such a troublesome nation as Haiti
Written by: dkwannabe, 24 Feb 2011 10:03 AM
From: Dominican Republic
I never cease to be amazed at the shmucks that manage to get press with their senseless drivel. And pontificating from comfortable Canada doesn't help.
1) it'll never happen without a war
2) they have $10 billion to spend and half the governments in the world over there which is...
3) more than we have over here, not to mention we have our own problems to deal with without having to be nation savers.
Written by: JEM237, 24 Feb 2011 10:06 AM
From: United States, In your mind
@Montesino:

I agree with you, not only has this guy lost his f--in mind, but so have all those who think like him and agree with him, too!!!
Written by: jose_NYC, 24 Feb 2011 10:09 AM
From: United States, Brooklyn, NY - Santo Domingo, DR
@avaro

Dr should never merge with any nation, we are dominicans and have struggled to get what little we have on our beautiful side of hispaniola. I swear and even if my opinion is soundless to this fking politicians that think they own the country, if the DR ever merges with haiti i be one that will never set foot on the island again.

PS. I am not racist and i respect haiti as a country but please stop trying to drown the DR with your problems and incompetence. Fck the intenational community, if they want to help let FRANCE annex haiti one more time and be responsible for the mess they made there, they sure as hell have the economy to support haiti. HOW ABOUT THIS IDEA LET THE USA, UK, CANADA, FRANCE AND ANY OTHER BIG AND POWERFUL COUNTRY BUILD A WALL OVER THE BORDER MILITARIZED IT AND TAKE A MERE 1 % OF THE TRILLIONS OF DOLLARS THEY HAVE AND REBUILD HAITI THAT WAY THE POOR DOMINICAN REPUBLIC COULD STOP SUFFERING FROM HAVING HAITI AS A NEIGHBOR. SHIIIIIIIIIIT/
Written by: Yucahu, 24 Feb 2011 10:10 AM
From: United States, Miami
Not without a fight....
Written by: Lopez31, 24 Feb 2011 10:11 AM
From: United States
So we fought a bloody war for independence against Haiti where many Dominicans lost their lives. And this guys thinks now everything is forgotten and we will allow a merge to Happen. Think again A HOLE.
Written by: El_Platano, 24 Feb 2011 10:11 AM
From: United States, Yonkers, NY
The DR cannot support Haiti. There are not enough jobs and resources for Dominiacns let alone millions of haitians. This is insane. They need to look inside for their solution.
Written by: martin, 24 Feb 2011 10:27 AM
From: United States, boston to S.P.M 23
Ese mamagueb esta fukin crazy he lost his fukin mind I could jus imagin the invasion of fukin Haitians n us country
Written by: Eriliza, 24 Feb 2011 10:33 AM
From: United States, Boston, MA
This guy has some damn nerve!
Written by: pkaide1, 24 Feb 2011 10:38 AM
From: United States
I can reason with this type of nonsense only when US, Mexico and Canada become one nation.
Written by: xwill7, 24 Feb 2011 10:38 AM
From: United States, El cuarto bate
jimmy likes this
Written by: martin, 24 Feb 2011 10:40 AM
From: United States, boston to S.P.M 23
Primero muerto cono tendran k matar a 10 million Dominicans para k eso pase es loko k esta ese fukin idiot
Written by: super_lover, 24 Feb 2011 10:45 AM
From: Haiti
I am Haitian, maybe not as smart as the good professor, but I think that he is bonkers! The cold of Canada has frozen his good sense. Come back to the Caribbean and thaw out!

Why does DT find that this point of view is something worth reporting?
Written by: BernardJeanPierre, 24 Feb 2011 10:54 AM
From: United States, Earth
I have said a hundred times before the Dominican Republic will NEVER merge with Haiti for many reasons. I'm not sure where its coming from but this is not the first bold statement i have heard about merging. It doesn't make sense to me, especially if the issue is immigration. Immigration is just part of the picture, POVERTY is the 'bigger fish to fry', not just immigration. It is also very disturbing to think what could happen if such a crazy notion ever did become an actual and substantial agenda, because there are just too many people on both sides that have fear, frustration and fury pent up. Whatever the solution is, it needs to be peaceful. But I don't think a 'merger' will ever happen. If it does I will be shocked like never before.
Written by: BernardJeanPierre, 24 Feb 2011 10:58 AM
From: United States, Earth
But for the record, like I said once before, it really has little to do with what the 'people' in general want, and more about Money and Power. Unfortunately its always the people who suffer from the bad decisions of the ruling class, but thats normally what happens anyway. Its kinda disturbing to hear a Political figure using such strong and definite language.

"because he (Fernandez) knows that when we win, his pride and the Dominicans’ rancid racism against Haitians will be finished."

THAT is one bold statement! A few things are clear though, its not about just what Political party wins but how the International Community deals with them. Racism will unfortunately be here to stay in every corner of the Earth regardless of what happens.
Written by: Pepe32, 24 Feb 2011 11:07 AM
From: Dominican Republic
While I would rather die than see what this man proposes I give him points for his honesty which is much better than those who wish to achieve the same thing with hypocritical words and lies!

This man is only stating what many of his compatriots feel which is that we don't have a right to a free and sovereign state. Many on this forum applaud or remain silent with those that abet the illegal and massive entry into our country starting with our own traitorous politicians ,the foreign powers and the NGO's and get upset when a Haitian states the truth.

If we as a people do not react soon we will be accomplices in this nefarious plan and will die as a people without a country .While we drink Brugal and Presidente an occupying force enters silently through our borders .

Are all of you ready for statues of the "heroes" dessalines,soulouque and boyer to be erected in our territory and those of the "traitors" Duarte,Sanchez,Mella,Duverge,Saltitopa etc. to be torn down?

Do we prefer
Written by: martin, 24 Feb 2011 11:11 AM
From: United States, boston to S.P.M 23
@ super lover. tell the name of any Haitians with good sense
Written by: Pepe32, 24 Feb 2011 11:16 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Those who wish to tell us that this will never happen only wish to numb us into submission while the reality on the ground is visible to anyone that has eyes and wishes to see.
The same people who tell us that this will never happen are those who decry the deportation of even one illegal haitian in Dominican territory because they know that once the demographic numbers reach a certain point there will be little chance of turning back without a massive bloodletting .

But the fault is ours if we allow this to happen and we do have the power to force the governments hand as events in Tunisia ,egypt and elsewhere have shown although in our case we as a people can force the governments hand without violence because a concerted effort can let the politicians know that their inaction in this matter will bring about their political death!

Written by: Pepe32, 24 Feb 2011 11:20 AM
From: Dominican Republic
So the choice is ours...do we stand by and let this happen or do we force the hand of the politicians ? There is still time to solve this in a rational and humane manner but if something is not done all of Leonels horses and all of Leonels men won't be able to put this genie back in the bottle.

Elections are coming and if everyone of us interested in fixing this problem reaches out to 3 people and those people reach out to 3 people we can change the future of our nation and derail this nefarious plan!

Los Trinitarios no dieron todo para que nosotros por apatia y avaricia lo perdiesemos !

¿Cuanto vale nuestra Patria para cada uno de ustedes?
Written by: martin, 24 Feb 2011 11:25 AM
From: United States, boston to S.P.M 23
Vale
mucho pepe23 bien dicho
Written by: Juansantodomingo, 24 Feb 2011 11:28 AM
From: Dominican Republic
There is lots of fierce nationalism being expressed here. I only wish that the national pride extended to ousting the corrupt politicians and their power brokers so that a real, modern, educated, rule-of-law based society could flourish.

The problem with both countries is ingrained corruption and an entitlement mentality of the ruling class. Solve these problems and the need to talk of merging disappears,

What we are seeing is an age old trick. Divide and conquer.
Written by: Ricardolito, 24 Feb 2011 11:36 AM
From: Dominican Republic, calle A.Portes
I can not believe an historian can write such nonsense ..everyone knows the trend around the world is not to amalgamate but to seperate ,,we have seen that in the former USSR , in the Balkans , in Africa so what he says is not logical
Written by: MOLONDRON, 24 Feb 2011 11:38 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Ladies and gentlemen I would be interested in reading your commentaries regarding this opinion piece.

http://www.noticiassin.com/2011/0....a-explotacion-que-el-patriotismo/
Written by: BernardJeanPierre, 24 Feb 2011 11:47 AM
From: United States, Earth
@Molondron - I read it. You (someone) should post it in the forums so others can discuss it in a more controlled environment....although the forum is a Jungle unto itself. jaja
Written by: WalterPolo, 24 Feb 2011 11:48 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Puerto Plata
I think somebody at DT maliciously treat insignificant non-events as news, so the ranting can start.

The history professor said that. OMG!

What did the cab driver say?

Written by: xwill7, 24 Feb 2011 11:54 AM
From: United States, El cuarto bate
The two cultures are apples and oranges, you can not merge the two
Written by: Yucahu, 24 Feb 2011 12:01 PM
From: United States, Miami
Number one. Print this article and give it to your fellow Dominican's. Many will laugh and be surprised. I have spoken to many of my compatriots here and they laugh and say it's a joke. I tell them to go to the website, they say ok,ok,ok. but you know our people, they forget. So print this out and distribute it. Let's start opening up minds and hearts so that we can begin to fight. We Dominicans have fought overwhelming odds all the time. All it takes is one man, like Duarte. One man to inspire others. I may fail but one of YOU will succeed and that is all we need so that the words DIOS, PATRIA AND LIBERTAD REMAIN AND ARE RESTORED!
Written by: MS_Jersey, 24 Feb 2011 12:10 PM
From: United States, NJ (M_ S Cibaeno 100%)
"VIVIR SIN PATRIA ES LO MISMO QUE VIVIR SIN HONOR"

JPD...

Lo mejor que ha salido de nuestra patria, donde ahora vivimos rodeados de politicos ladrones, desleales a los mas sagrados principios Dominicano.

MJS....
Written by: BernardJeanPierre, 24 Feb 2011 12:15 PM
From: United States, Earth
http://www.dominicantoday.com/dr/....border-to-Haitians-and-Merge-with

This is already being discussed. I still think that the possibility of such a think happening is very, very remote, ESPECIALLY at this point. Now once you start hearing International Commitees discussing it at length, then things might be different. But right now it is simply a crazy idea by a person who is NOT in any position to do anything. Even IF Martelly gains the Presidency he will STILL be at the mercy and whims of the International Community to a considerable degree because Haiti lacks sufficient 'internal power'. Is it a matter of concern? Yes. Is it to be made cause for a 'revolution'? No. People should not be oblivious to it, nor blow it out of proportion.
Written by: BernardJeanPierre, 24 Feb 2011 12:21 PM
From: United States, Earth
@super_lover - Its kinda funny how fast a person can get thumbs down no?? (lol) You can say the EXACT same thing another person just said, or saying something in CLEAR agreement with what everyone else is saying and get thumbs (points) down. Interesting...
Written by: etiennc, 24 Feb 2011 12:25 PM
From: United States
These are the same dumb, utopian ,fake ,vain con artists that have put Haiti in the mess it is now.
They all suffer from SPFN ( se pa fot nou) It is not our fault
NPK (nou pa konnen) We do not nkow
NPR (nou pa responsab) We are not responsible

It is easy to start conflicts from the comfort of his home in Canada while devouring steaks and french fries prepared by his white Canadia girl friend.

If he is a history professor , why can not he explain the bust on the political scene of a vulgar and mediocre musician whose profanities and obscenities have offended so many.
Well ,do not worry professor caca , you will sure get a job in the Sweet Micky administration.
Be sure to comply with the prerequisite for the job interview :Wear bras, bikinis, and panties .
Written by: etiennc, 24 Feb 2011 12:31 PM
From: United States
The solution to massive haitian migration to DR is for Haitians to have adults , honest leaders.
Or we will get the "perejil " solution.
What kind of history professor are you?
See what happens when one buys his diploma ?
Written by: Ricardolito, 24 Feb 2011 12:37 PM
From: Dominican Republic, calle A.Portes
Water Polo spot on ..such articles are simply here to provoke
Written by: Pepe32, 24 Feb 2011 1:19 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Ricardolito,we don't need articles to provoke people,the masses of Haitians on the streets of every Dominican city and town are provocation enough ,all these articles do is provide the matches to the piles of wood with gasoline already existing.

Leonel and his cohorts may need to study what has happened in Egypt and Bahrain and also take a look at Kosovo .

Etiennc makes more sense since he knows that this problem must be resolved in a proper manner otherwise things will get out of hand and while our government is the main culprit we cannot expect the current Haitian leaders to cooperate in any way shape or form.
Written by: ateo2010 This user is banned, 24 Feb 2011 2:11 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Owning Noobs
@etiennc
" The solution to massive haitian migration to DR is for Haitians to have adults , honest leaders. "

Don't think so ....http://whitelocust.wordpress.com/....icans-may-differ-from-westerners/
Written by: Pepe32, 24 Feb 2011 2:25 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Ateo ,you will get slammed for that article but I think it explains many things in DR and even more so in Haiti!
Written by: riosm, 24 Feb 2011 2:34 PM
From: United States
Good thing for him he's in CANADA.
Written by: Ayisiene, 24 Feb 2011 2:45 PM
From: United States
You Dominicans need to keep your panties on, no self-respecting Haitian want to merge with your country. There are plenty of prideful Haitian left in Haiti and abroad who want to work and move our country forward. DR is bombarded with rural Haitians just like Haiti is bombarded with Domincan prostitutes. Once a good agricultural program and a decent school system is in place, rural Haitians will stay home as well as the 800 millions dollar Haitian spent a year in purchasing goods from DR. sure you have to your tourism, other than that what do you have to offer Haitians, your racism and self-hate? if your country is so great why are you all in Bronx in welfare popping out kids before you even graduate high school. Give me a break, every country got elements in their society they're not proud of, stop vilifying Haitians like dominicans are perfect!
Written by: CarlosFranco, 24 Feb 2011 2:54 PM
From: United States, Brooklyn

Etienne I gave you a plus on that comment... it seems you're the only rational haitian around!


Written by: CarlosFranco, 24 Feb 2011 2:57 PM
From: United States, Brooklyn

The solution to Haiti is found within haiti itself... This so call historian is another DOMINICANWANNABEHAITIAN

Written by: cantave, 24 Feb 2011 3:05 PM
From: United States, !<82ndAbd>!Lt.Tigah>Fort Bragg>North Carolina, U.S>Platoon Leader>Tactical Hardcore.
Not to worry, it will not be and it shall not be unification what so ever but the only thing for sure DR will be negronized by Haiti in less than 25 years,this is for sure and that a proven fact, so be ready to be blacken.
This is what the Dominican Republic mostly looked like in the early 1900's (Bani, Dominican Republic):
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2618/3739289020_265f4d315d.jpg
The Dominican Republic now:
http://www.adventures.org/a/fym/i....ominican_Republic/DR-photos-3.jpg
Thanks to Haitian immigration throughout the 21st century, most of the coastal areas and border towns of the Dominican Republic are mostly made up of blacks and some mulattos, giving the DR a whopping 50%-60% negro population. .
Just give it a few more decades and the island of puerto rico will have the same fate, Dominican-Puerto Rican marriages are pretty damn common.

Semper "The merciless one"Fidelis,,,,,,,
Written by: pkaide1, 24 Feb 2011 3:06 PM
From: United States
Ayisiene,

I hope that you one day runs Haiti. It looks like you have plenty of self respect and teach it to your fellow countrymen.
Whatever choices you make now in the present will shape your future. Just my two cents.
Written by: xwill7, 24 Feb 2011 3:17 PM
From: United States, El cuarto bate
Wow Haiti stories are popular on this site
Written by: ElSuavecito, 24 Feb 2011 3:41 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santiago de los 30 Caballeros


Here we have another example of educated Haitian intellectuals doing what they do best, talking a big-time game from foreign soil, away from the poverty and misery , but is anyone listening? I am because from what I understand by the comments from Reinseinthe Paul Joseph and Michel Martelly is that they are telling the world they are both white flag waiving Haitian traitors to all prideful Haitians for the prevailing sentiment that Haitians are totally incapable of running their own affairs - And as usual running off at the mouth from thousands of miles away from the Republic of Haiti showing no respect for the sovereignty of the Dominican Republic.
Written by: ateo2010 This user is banned, 24 Feb 2011 4:02 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Owning Noobs
cantave,

I knew all along you where an ugly afro-centric negro pseudo-haitian worthless piece of shyt . DR will be negronized, so whats the big deal?, its not like its a good thing, it will just worsen the situation for both ends. Who wants lazy, smelly, careless, savage, and slow negroes in our society we got enough and due to that DR (believe it or not I don't give a shyt when its so damn evident) is in the situation its now, and 10x worst Haiti...My I.Q is way higher then yours, any gibberish " semper fideles ..." and garbage you bring is useless because it ends as incoherent/ nonsense.
Written by: Yucahu, 24 Feb 2011 4:04 PM
From: United States, Miami
Oye Jeanarenas estupido look at yourself in the mirror cabron. It sounds like your talking about La Isla del DESENCANTO. We gotta build our Haitian friends some yola's so they can make it to PR and then we will see how you guys like it. You already love us Dominicans being over their. Just imagine them people diggin into San Juan and Ponce, bendito nene. Then you can talk about Hate and Rage. You shouldn't talk about something you know nothing about pendejo. You Boricuas talk a good fight but when it comes to independence you guys roll over and play dead to Daddy yankee and keep sucking his peepee...
Written by: Yucahu, 24 Feb 2011 4:31 PM
From: United States, Miami
Etienne if I ever saw a fellow Dominican doing the perejil solution I would give him the trompa solution. I feel for Haiti, pero ellos alla y nosotros aca. Heavy immigration is for countries like Canada, USA, Brasil or China. They can absorb all the people they want. Small countries can't do it like the big boys too destabilizing.
Written by: Yucahu, 24 Feb 2011 4:32 PM
From: United States, Miami
They could teach the chinese how to eat yuca and casabe.
Written by: Yucahu, 24 Feb 2011 4:32 PM
From: United States, Miami
Wow 100,000 Haitians in China. That would be awesome!!!
Written by: riosm, 24 Feb 2011 4:41 PM
From: United States
Cantave,

The problem is the way I see it......one is used for thinking while the other is used for s------ and like always Haitians are s------ themselves "tactical hard core" style at that.
Written by: Jeanarenas, 24 Feb 2011 4:43 PM
From: Puerto Rico
Yucahu:

As was expected, your lack of understanding and ignorance of the issue at hand is your armour. I for one am a landowner in the DR. and lived in the DR and dealt with your fellowes (Dominicans) and Haitians for 7 years; my observations are 100% correct.

For a nation to prosper, it's constituents have to accept their true self. Only then may the collective start to grow and mature. Your commentary pays homage to the unifying qualities between both nations.

PS - Mi consejo para ti carajito; no hables tanta mierda escudado detras de un ordenador. Si tienes cojones, aguanta los comentarios de los que si saben. A propos, no soy independentista; a esa filtrafa los pisoteo intelectualmente cada vez que tratan de hablar de cosas que no estan preparados para entender ni lograr.
Written by: ateo2010 This user is banned, 24 Feb 2011 4:46 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Owning Noobs
Yucahu,

The Chinese will be pretty aware that there I.Q levels and entire economy will sink to the shithole even if a minuscule drop of haitians go .
Written by: tartesos, 24 Feb 2011 6:04 PM
From: United States
"Press international community" that has been happening for a long time and we aredoing nothing to defend ourselves... Our politicians are only concerned in stealing money.
Mejor que se hunda la isla!!!
"Mas quisqueya sera destruida! Pero sierra de Nuevo jamas!!"
Nuestro himno nacional lo dice todo!
Fu&$ this guy, the international community(they should help themselves) and everyone who thinks like him!.
We should not be forced to do shit!
I'm going to have a stroke reading this nonsense
Written by: Rainman, 24 Feb 2011 6:11 PM
From: United States
Talk about hitting a nerve lol, the integration of both countries is already happening like it or not by the natural mix of the two countries via marriage, to suggest that it will be an official change in the island configuration is out of his mind
Written by: cantave, 24 Feb 2011 6:42 PM
From: United States, !<82ndAbd>!Lt.Tigah>Fort Bragg>North Carolina, U.S>Platoon Leader>Tactical Hardcore.
Written by: ateo2010, 24 Feb 2011 4:46 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Owning Noobs
Yucahu,
The Chinese will be pretty aware that there I.Q levels and entire economy will sink to the shithole even if a minuscule drop of haitians go
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What,what ,what ??????say it again???????Can anyone translate toddler's talk. That f@cking kid rambling again.

Semper "The merciless one"Fidelis,,,,,,,
Written by: cantave, 24 Feb 2011 7:05 PM
From: United States, !<82ndAbd>!Lt.Tigah>Fort Bragg>North Carolina, U.S>Platoon Leader>Tactical Hardcore.
Written by: etiennc, 24 Feb 2011 12:31 PM
From: United States
The solution to massive haitian migration to DR is for Haitians to have adults , honest leaders.
Or we will get the "perejil " solution.
What kind of history professor are you?
See what happens when one buys his diploma ?
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Etienne what is wrong with you, are you selling out?? Don’t be such Benedict Arnold, Ojeda, Ma-Fui, Judas, all them traitor Bozos, get a grip on yourself ,you are not, I repeat, you are not Dominican. And you will never be one.
So do not sell out the Haitiano cause.

Haitiano soy, de pura cepa soy, y con mucho cojones. A quien no le gusta, F@ck you then.

Just that simple Bro.


Fidem custodire, concordiam servare
Semper "The merciless one"Fidelis............
Written by: cantave, 24 Feb 2011 7:13 PM
From: United States, !<82ndAbd>!Lt.Tigah>Fort Bragg>North Carolina, U.S>Platoon Leader>Tactical Hardcore.
Etienne !! you are and always be Haitiano,dont be like Alice in the wonderland,face reality bro.

I never backstab another to save mine,
I stand the time.
for me its do or die,
these are the rules i live by.
and I shed my blood for my brothers of the same mind,
of the same kind, who never leave a side.
see we never think twice,
and they shed their blood for me.
shos by my side, im by your side.
my blood is my loyalty,
my brothers are loyal to me.
who by my side, this is what we believe.
we stand for one another in hard times, in good times.
no matter what we find,
a way so we can get by.
and I shed my blood for my.

Semper " The merciless one" Fidelis...........
Written by: MOLONDRON, 24 Feb 2011 7:39 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Friends here is a interesting view on the Haitian immigration problem +.
Please review if you can, I would be delighted to read your comments.

http://www.7dias.com.do/app/article.aspx?id=93315
Written by: M0823MIKE1, 24 Feb 2011 8:10 PM
From: Dominican Republic
I wonder if the tables were turned would the Haitians be so gracious?
Written by: venganzaderafael, 24 Feb 2011 8:30 PM
From: United States
Jeanarenas for someone that has lived on our island u obviously didn't learn anything of our history, our mental attitudes and ethnic makeup. First of all there hasn't been a Haitian leader that hasn't dreamed of uniting the island. Haitian children are taught that the island is one and indivisible. It is ingrained in them to want a union like the island was always their's but was split against the people's will. The common threads (only the maladies) you speak of can also be found in PR. You want to extend an invitation to 1 million Haitians?
After 5 invasion attempts do you really think we want to unite with them? We have a serious division in the way and whom we worship and while not denying our African ancestry( also a part of PR) we hold our Taino ancestry in very high regards.
Written by: delgadoMASS, 24 Feb 2011 8:31 PM
From: United States, new england


if the dominican republic and haiti becomes unify into one country, there will be bloodshed everywhere. two different culture, two different customs, two different history, and two different languages, in both country's. one unify country will never work and would not benefit the dominicans at all.

anyone who is asking for unity, is only asking for chaos and war in the island, whether they realized it or not.
Written by: cantave, 24 Feb 2011 8:53 PM
From: United States, !<82ndAbd>!Lt.Tigah>Fort Bragg>North Carolina, U.S>Platoon Leader>Tactical Hardcore.
I'm not looking for unification with no country what so ever. Haiti is and will be fully capable to build itself, the territory is only 28.000 square km could be rebuilt in 10 years with a warrior leader.
Once we get rid of the Haitian posers, then you will see.
Haiti and DR together will be the blind leading the blind.
So screw that merger crap. I don’t want any part of it.

Semper " The merciless one" Fidelis...........
Written by: Pepe32, 24 Feb 2011 8:58 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Correct Delgado ,our differences are core differences to the point that their heroes are our villains and vice versa although all our heroes did was liberate us from them and kept us free from them while their heroes raped pillaged and burned.

We only have one common point with Haiti and that is the African blood on both sides but unlike Haitians Dominicans value culture before race which upsets afrocentrists and other black racists who believe race to be the maximum denominator (Tell that to the Tutsis and Hutus) .

These people are unwittingly setting the stage for a massive bloodletting in which many innocents would suffer because Dominicans will not go quietly into the dark night!!
Written by: ateo2010 This user is banned, 24 Feb 2011 9:44 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Owning Noobs
cantave and the stupidrican seem pissed off. The wanna be military men haitian with OCD, and the sexually abused rican who has nothing better to do then live off of walfare, pathetic. The world would being a better place without both :D .........
Written by: martin, 24 Feb 2011 10:27 PM
From: United States, boston to S.P.M 23
@ cantave fuk u haitianito come mierda
Written by: BernardJeanPierre, 24 Feb 2011 10:29 PM
From: United States, Earth
Its just foolish for people living in such close proximity to not get along. Your neighbor should never be your enemy. Thats just not good business.
Written by: martin, 24 Feb 2011 10:37 PM
From: United States, boston to S.P.M 23
bernard dont be silly tu k eres haitiano sabe k eso nunca ba a pasar remember our independent from haiti was 2 bloody 2 be forgetten jus like that dios patria y libertad
Written by: cantave, 24 Feb 2011 10:38 PM
From: United States, !<82ndAbd>!Lt.Tigah>Fort Bragg>North Carolina, U.S>Platoon Leader>Tactical Hardcore.
Ateo !!!
If you was not stupid enough not to graduate High school and be a drop out, you could be in the US military, but nooooooooo!!!!!!Dope smoking and selling, shoplifting had you preoccupied and now you cannot be one. (Military that is)
You could have been a least a private.
I was in Fallujah Iraq ,served my country and return to the state safe and sound.
I’m proud of what i am, Haitiano descendent. If you toddler or pepe 32 years old unemployed clown does not like it. Then f@ck ya'll both, I could care less what ya'll bozos think.
I’m a warrior and i think like one.


Semper " The merciless one" Fidelis...........
Written by: martin, 24 Feb 2011 10:45 PM
From: United States, boston to S.P.M 23
u a piece of shitttt cantave jus another one killin for oil hope u could sleep at nite time tinkin about al those innocent that ya kill
Written by: cantave, 24 Feb 2011 10:45 PM
From: United States, !<82ndAbd>!Lt.Tigah>Fort Bragg>North Carolina, U.S>Platoon Leader>Tactical Hardcore.
Written by: martin, 24 Feb 2011 10:27 PM
From: United States, boston to S.P.M 23
@ cantave fuk u haitianito come mierda
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I thought you got deported, still in Boston Iraq????
You lying sack of manure.

Haitiano soy, de pura cepa soy y mis cojones son de hierro. Bring it on.
Semper " The merciless one" Fidelis...........
Written by: Pepe32, 24 Feb 2011 10:48 PM
From: Dominican Republic
BJP ,you live in a fantasy of utopic proportions...

Of course the ideal is to live peacefully not only with your neighbors but with everyone else but that is based on RESPECT and if your neighbor feels your house and land are his and he just enters your property without permission ,goes into your refrigerator ,eats your food,kills your dog and then craps on your house and then burns your shed then you cannot have peace .

That's why anyone who truly wants peace has to do everything possible to ensure that the majority of Haitians go back to their land or are offered room in another land (Canada,US,France,Fr. Guyana,Africa) because anything else is wishful thinking that will lead to terrible consequences .

Written by: Pepe32, 24 Feb 2011 10:49 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Good neighbors RESPECT ,good neighbors do not overstay when invited and don't enter unless invited ,good neighbors respect the laws and traditions of their neighbors .

You see BJP you and the rest have never been able to give us ONE positive contribution from Haiti to DR and since all we have known is invasion,rape,pillage,and now "peaceful" invasion how do you expect Dominicans to consider Haitians "good" neighbors ???
Written by: PatDiamond, 24 Feb 2011 10:50 PM
From: Botswana, La reconnaissance est une lachete'
In the early 90's when the idea of the euro was brought to the attention of the British Prime minister at the time Mr John Major he laughed for he though it would never work yet today we have a European central bank. If unification of Hispaniola is what the Bilderberg Group want so shalt it be for me as a Hatian and you as a Dominican will not have a say on this
Matter. We on the western side of the island is under the tutelage of the UN, on your side when they decide to call in their notes you will simply do as you are told. If you think the professor is bunker clearly you do not know about the black art of Psy-Ops ideas are being planted in your head without you realized what is going on( case in point JC Duvalier returned to Haiti out of no where, however
The idea of his intention to return was first put out there 6 to 7 years ago via a BET nightly news report of all media outle)
Written by: Pepe32, 24 Feb 2011 10:52 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Cbelk ,cantavito cannot travel without his mommy so don't waste your time .He is tough because he is far away while the Haitians in the thick of it would never have such an attitude.

He is probably 20 to 24 and very immature (mentally 12-16)at that ,influenced by Rambo and the terminator and would probably faint with real blood!
Written by: martin, 24 Feb 2011 10:53 PM
From: United States, boston to S.P.M 23
cantave real haitians nonsense comin from ur empty head
Written by: cantave, 24 Feb 2011 10:53 PM
From: United States, !<82ndAbd>!Lt.Tigah>Fort Bragg>North Carolina, U.S>Platoon Leader>Tactical Hardcore.
Written by: BernardJeanPierre, 24 Feb 2011 10:29 PM
From: United States
Its just foolish for people living in such close proximity to not get along. Your neighbor should never be your enemy. Thats just not good business.
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What you talking about Bernard?????????????
Israel and Palestine, India and Pakistan, Serbia and Kosovo, Suni and Shia.
Come on Bernard, if the Dominicans don’t want to be your friend be their enemy then. So be it, it is what it is.


Semper " The merciless one" Fidelis...........
Written by: Pepe32, 24 Feb 2011 11:00 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Cantavito,Bernard is still in the "closet" ashamed of his nationality like many of your compatriots here.

How do you expect to deal with us when so many of you deny your own country??

My people have many differences but when the chips are down we will close ranks and take out any traitors in the ranks .

Haitians should focus on Haiti and leave us alone for once because if you can't manage one third of an island why would you want to screw up the whole island??

Even that resurgence you count on is dependent on other nations and that which is not done by yourself holds little value because you didn't earn it ..that's why people on welfare spend their money without though because they did not earn it just like Haiti goes through donor funds !
Written by: cantave, 24 Feb 2011 11:22 PM
From: United States, !<82ndAbd>!Lt.Tigah>Fort Bragg>North Carolina, U.S>Platoon Leader>Tactical Hardcore.
Cantavito,Bernard is still in the "closet" ashamed of his nationality like many of your compatriots here.
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If he is ,shame on him then, I will never be ashamed of where i came from. Thats is way of thinking and I respect that.

Semper " The merciless one" Fidelis...........

Written by: Pepe32, 24 Feb 2011 11:31 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Better an honest enemy than a fake friend!!
Written by: BernardJeanPierre, 24 Feb 2011 11:53 PM
From: United States, Earth
First like I have already said I am not Haitian, not everybody with a French sounding last name is Haitian, just like not every person with Vega as a last name is from Madrid. Nationality is simply not that important to me, as it has the tendency to blind people and divide them unnecessarily. You talk about respect as if Haitian are the only people that go to other Countries to seek a better life, Dominicans and many other do the same. Haiti is circumstantially difficult because the Government cannot manage it, the economy is not as strong, there are social contentions and the Country is smaller in comparison. Context is what makes it different NOT the people. @Pepe- you ALWAYS assume what I say is anti-dominican (as always). BOTH sides should strive for Peace. Violence only begets more violence. Education, Respect and Patience are vital for BOTH sides to embrace. Haitians and Dominicans both should seek peace and not perpetuate negative attitudes. Its 2011 por Dios!
Written by: super_lover, 25 Feb 2011 12:11 AM
From: Haiti
Bernard, you are right, the negatives just keep coming don't they? @Martin - Bernard, Cantave, Superlover are all Haitians and we all have good sense.

Listen all, what do you want to do about all this? Do you want to walk with the devil and create a war and have some blood fest or do you want to walk with the angels and stand up for Peace?

If you die tomorrow and we all can die at anytime, where will you feel that you are , on what side of sin? Life is a test and it is what we do here that will determine where we spend our eternal rest.

Hate, Hate, Hate. Is this the net sum of who you are? Is this the model of your character?

Have you ever seen or heard of a Haitian who has adopted a Dominican child and given him a home and the best that life has to offer? Do you believe that it is possible to love another human being outside of your race and not care where they are from?

I have several adopted children, Haitians and a Dominican son from Puerto Plata.
Written by: super_lover, 25 Feb 2011 12:20 AM
From: Haiti
I love my kids and give them the best that I never had, all of them. Should I split up my family because you haters think that this is not right? My kids get the very best and I would bet that they could out-write any one of you literary geniuses. They live together, play together, go to school together, eat together, play video games together, and help each other.

I do not believe that we will or should join both nations. There are alot of good things that we can do to make our lives more meaningful, IF we accept a philosophy of brotherhood.

Some of you know where I live and I will be happy to meet any of you face to face to discuss this idea.
Written by: BernardJeanPierre, 25 Feb 2011 12:29 AM
From: United States, Earth
@PatDiamond - You said some VERY truthful things. That is EXACTLY why I said (and have ALWAYS said) although I doubt it will happen, if it DOES happen it will have NOTHING to do with what the 'people' want, and all to do with what those with the POWER and MONEY want. Simple as that. The Golden Rule - 'he who has the Gold, makes the rules'.

@Superlover - Yes it is sad to see so much hate and negativity. What a sad world the next generations will have to live in. And although I am not Haitian nor Dominican it does not take much effort to be reasonable, fair, understanding and compassionate. We are all just Humans sharing the Earth, if we can't get along, we suffer. Animals are instinctive, Humans have the ability to Reason and foresee the eventuality of a matter, what a shame it will be if we allow our own ignorance and pride prevent us from doing something positive because we are 'drunk' on negativity.
Written by: super_lover, 25 Feb 2011 12:32 AM
From: Haiti
Like I said, this was a story written to provoke a response - gasolina! I do not put any merit in provocations, period!
Written by: Perez, 25 Feb 2011 12:34 AM
From: Dominican Republic
You guys know what is more scary???? that if there is to be a war in DR because of haitian invasion, the super powers might intervene and make us accept the union! Gosh that would make my blood boil!!!!!
Written by: dominicano51, 25 Feb 2011 12:37 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Who the hell is Reinseinthe Paul Joseph!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Anyway, lets think business let's sell haiti to the saudi's that have lot of money and let them rebuilt the country and hire the haitians to rebuilt their country. they can appoint the prince to rule the country maybe.

We have an army that could control the immigration problem but that army is full of traitors and they let the haitians come in without papers.

Written by: super_lover, 25 Feb 2011 12:38 AM
From: Haiti
@ Bernard - You are a person who I would follow because Peace is obviously your platform. You don't have to be Haitian or Dominican as long as (As Martin Luther King put it) you are a "Champion of Peace."
Written by: ateo2010 This user is banned, 25 Feb 2011 12:39 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Owning Noobs
super_lover,

silly, since when is being patriotic is silly you piece of mud eater. you lack patriotism that's why you call it silly, and thats why your country is the asshole of the world today. Your comment proves ones again our huge differences, culturally, social, economically, and even racially speaking.
Written by: Je_Suis_Haitien, 25 Feb 2011 12:39 AM
From: Haiti
@cantave you wish dominicans were white. Africa's Blood runs throughout all the Caribbean and South America... Dominicans were never white.. only a small minority.. lol.. DR had a strong african gene pool from the beginning.. self denial is a sad thing. I dont agree with the merging of the islands. i truly believe haiti (haitians) created there own problems and destroyed that side of hispaniola.. we were on top in the beginning and now we are last (haiti) its life look at America now. Falling apart..
Written by: super_lover, 25 Feb 2011 12:46 AM
From: Haiti
@ateo

Don't be silly!
Written by: mirabal4ever This user is banned, 25 Feb 2011 12:53 AM
From: United States, OMNIPRESENT. El Cantinero de Jarabacoa. "Aguilucho desde Chiquitito"
"A Haitian historian and university professor warns Dominicans to start getting used to living “in communion” with the Haitians, because, in his view, "like it or not," the island’s fusion “is just around the corner.”

I would free every pedophile in prison just to get a chance to cut that fools head off.
Written by: super_lover, 25 Feb 2011 12:56 AM
From: Haiti
Only an idiot would believe this article about a professor and his ideas. This is journalistic gasolina!
Written by: ateo2010 This user is banned, 25 Feb 2011 1:04 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Owning Noobs
Je_Suis_Haitien, ,

oh my , here it goes again you're a typical afrocentric. You idiots only speak about haitians, and african blood blah blah blah, but never mention our Taino or white blood, you pathetic fools who only want to damage the image of our country with your rubbish. Go jump off a bridge.
Written by: BernardJeanPierre, 25 Feb 2011 1:10 AM
From: United States, Earth
@ateo - Duarte, Sanchez and Mella were INTELLECTUALS first. They were Men who used REASON and LOGIC, not just a band of gun slingers who rode around looking to kill. Nor did they consider themselves superior to Haitians, they simply wanted freedom from what was an insufferable rule by incompetent and glory hungry rulers. If they were alive today they would be aiming to see a DIPLOMATIC approach not a violent one, because any reasonable minded person knows that War is costly, literally and figuratively. One life....be it Haitian or Dominican is one too many to lose. 'Dios, Patria, y Libertad'
Dios es la PRIMERA palabra. Dios creo la tierra y los seres humanos, los hombres con orgullo establecieron 'fronteras', desde los cielos no hay frontera, no hay division. None of us 'own' ANYTHING on this Earth, we are all here an undeserving guests. Preserving Peace and Human Life is more important than any Flag or Patriotic thesis because we all bleed the same and live for the same things.
Written by: lovingit, 25 Feb 2011 2:06 AM
From: United States, Delaware
wow, pero ni cuanta mierda!

Solving the immigration problem by merging the countries?

How about all of the other problems after that.

Again

This would only work if 8-9MM Haitians are moved away to other countries and the Island stays with 1-2MM, including the 1MM+ that are already on the the Dominican side.
Written by: cantave, 25 Feb 2011 2:58 AM
From: United States, !<82ndAbd>!Lt.Tigah>Fort Bragg>North Carolina, U.S>Platoon Leader>Tactical Hardcore.
Damn right, I am Haitian and forever and ever, screw them bozos trying to demonize my kind, I’m telling straight up. I won’t let this happen.

See I never backstab another to save mine,
I stand the time.
for me its do or die,
these are the rules i live by.
and I shed my blood for my brothers of the same mind,
of the same kind, who never leave a side.
see we never think twice,
and they shed their blood for me.
shos by my side, im by your side.
my blood is my loyalty,
my brothers are loyal to me.
who by my side, this is what we believe.
we stand for one another in hard times, in good times.
no matter what we find,
a way so we can get by.
and I shed my blood for my.

Semper " The merciless one" Fidelis...........
Written by: venganzaderafael, 25 Feb 2011 3:37 AM
From: United States
BJP I hear what you say. On a one to one basis Dominicans and Haitians can be as brothers. Actually there have been many occasions in the past where each side has given aid and refuge to revolutionaries on both sides. My grandfather who was a white Dominican raised an orphan Haitian boy as his own during the time of the massacres of the Trujillo tyranny. When Trujillo's goons went to "repatriate" the boy he stood in front of the house and told them they could take him over his dead body. That he had family members in high positions in the military probably saved his life but as he would later say "not even to Trujillo would he have given the boy".

That boy gave his life fighting to preserve Dominican sovereignty in the face of the North American marines invasion of 1965.

In college one of my roomates was half Haitian half Black American. He was very aware of his Haitian roots and identified himself as Haitian. He was cool

But 1.5 million in less than 10 yrs is overwh
Written by: tartesos, 25 Feb 2011 4:17 AM
From: United States
@ pat diamond
I do not believe that we will or should join both nations. There are alot of good things that we can do to make our lives more meaningful, IF we accept a philosophy of brotherhood.

i have to say i never tought i would agree with you, but i do on this point. well said.

as for the psy-ops ideas planted on our heads, i dont see this happening with the actual generations, but with the future generations... with pro hatian writen books being taught in our schools to our children, and the lack of civism and love for the country that is being seen, i can see it happening( and the very tought of it makes me tremble!!!).

we need to educate our future genrations to love our country, know the sacrifice in blood and money it has cost us to have nation and to realize that our obligated brother will never go away and we must work together for a joint solution, as Haiti and Dominican Republic, 2 independent nations with a common goal, prosperity and peace.
Written by: venganzaderafael, 25 Feb 2011 4:19 AM
From: United States
It is straining the limited infrastructure for sewage power and jobs we have going. The Dominican people have the Taino trait (notwithstanding jeanarena's asinine observations, her property must be in some batey) of welcoming a VISITOR with open hands. We could have accepted smaller numbers
In different towns as permanent immigrants. Its just too many Haitians in too short a time.

Cantave show us those balls of iron you talk about and move to Haiti and organize a professional military force which could employ and train your young men and women. Before you come over to "negronize" us clean your part of the island up.
Do you really want everyone in the island the same color. I take pride in the variety of ethnic groups in Dominican society. From our Oriental-Dominicans to our Middle-eastern Dominicans;
o Jewish-Dominicans. From our white Dominicans to our black Dominicans to our vast mulatto Dominicans.
Written by: Yucahu, 25 Feb 2011 5:36 AM
From: United States, Miami
Jeanarenas a mi no me llame carajito por que soy un macho con pelos en los guebos. We have Taino blood alongside our african and white blood. It's been scientifically proven by geneticists. DR is one of the greatest countries on earth, Betances said so, Hostos thought so. I know so. We have to fight people, we have to write letters and protest. Let our voices be heard. It's the only way to support DR. Viva la patria libre y soberana!
Written by: ateo2010 This user is banned, 25 Feb 2011 6:06 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Owning Noobs
BernardJeanPierre,

Unrealistic Jesus freak liberals like you are the ones who are destroying our planet and society, we all know that natural selection has chosen those who should stay and those who not, not an imaginary friend up in the clouds who once upon a time farted and then all of the sudden the universe was created. Like wTF, seriously how old are you ? ,
Written by: ignoranceisbliss, 25 Feb 2011 6:31 AM
From: United States
Walter,

I notice 2x a month a wtf article is posted on this site about haiti. Its done to generate traffic but if fuels this misperception that DR is racist against haitians and thats not true
Written by: BernardJeanPierre, 25 Feb 2011 6:37 AM
From: United States, Earth
@ateo - In your immature eagerness to insult me, you have actually just insulted EVERY SINGLE DOMINICAN that has ANY reverence for the Dominican Flag. It was not ME who put DIOS, Patria, Libertad on the Flag, someone else did...I'll get to that. Not only that put it has an OPEN Bible on it AND a Cross. It was also originally designed by none other than Dominican founding Father JUAN PABLO DUARTE de los Trinitarios. So YOU should show more respect! Because YOU are actually calling Duarte, and EVERY Dominican a fool for believing in something that does not exist. You are saying that EVERY Dominican Flag is worthless and meaningless, since according to you God is 'imaginary'. So you are ALSO calling EVERY owner of Dominican Flag dumb, and responsible for destroying Society. You consider Duarte to be a 'unrealistic Jesus freak liberal'?? That is not only VERY disrespectful but its tasteless and shows that you OBVIOUSLY do not think before you speak! Sin verguenza!
Written by: Vysotsky, 25 Feb 2011 8:02 AM
From: Russia
Bienvenido a la Nueva Española! One Island two cultures. A unique experience. Enjoy your stay!
Written by: martin, 25 Feb 2011 8:04 AM
From: United States, boston to S.P.M 23
good morning Dios Patria y Libertad
Written by: etiennc01, 25 Feb 2011 8:17 AM
From: United States
dear Cantave
I am not a sell out as you have suggested.
I know the meaning of conflict:when there is not enough resources to share between two countries.

I know the difference between mutualism and parasitism.


Only a parasite in a poor country like Haiti studies history.

Only a utopian parasite like our lazy ass history professor who has not studied the "perejil: chapter of the Haitian history would suggest that after we have destroyed Haiti then we should ask our more disciplined ,more adult ,more pragmatist Dominican brothers to fuse both country.
How are we going to do it , using force or black magic?
Fusion is a code word for " moving all Haitians to the greener ,more stable, more prosperous side "
Why don't we leave the Dominicans alone ?
Why can't we just leave them alone ?
This is what most proud Haitians do, they leave the Dominicans alone !
Why can't we stop provoking them ?
Why can't we stop being a public nuisance ??
Written by: etiennc01, 25 Feb 2011 8:24 AM
From: United States
The message that Dominicans are sending is clear:You Haitians stay on the other side !
If there were enough resources I am pretty sure that Dominicans would have shared with the Haitians.
But they are also struggling to survive.
Then get up your lazy asses and do like they are doing in Egypt, in Tunisia : kick out the parasites.
Written by: bernies, 25 Feb 2011 8:44 AM
From: United States, key west fl
So let me ask you something Sir, since when other countries are responsible for other countries mismanage of their own wealth. It is to my knowledge that Haiti was the first country that free themselves from slavery and had the best economic wealth in all islands in the Caribbean. You guys ran your country down the tube and now we have to take care of you. the f. with that and if you guys will like to go back to 1939 when Trujillo our beloved president back then showed you guys the Machete then we can do that again but this time we will life amunitions. We Dominican cannot travel free to Haiti the visa to get in to your cost over 100.00US and we do not get good treatment by your country. I have been to your country my friend and you guys hate Dominican very much there.
Written by: CaptMarcosSamana, 25 Feb 2011 9:15 AM
From: Dominican Republic
I will fight to preserve Quisqueya from ALL foreign threats UNTIL MY DEATH !!!!! Albeit, I do have Haitian friends.....
Written by: snoopyy3k, 25 Feb 2011 9:34 AM
From: United States
Really?? This guy is a great example of what drug use does to the brain. The Dominican Republic will forever be sovereign nation. DIOS, PATRIA y LIBERTAD....VIVA LA REP. DOMINICANA!!!!
Written by: riosm, 25 Feb 2011 9:39 AM
From: United States
CaptMarcosSamana,

Careful how you say that........the enemy is within us, besides dying they'll forget about you in a couple days.

Let Haiti be re-built by Haitians and prove to the world that after their nasty history lesson they can rise above it all.

That would be a real test.
Written by: MS_Jersey, 25 Feb 2011 11:13 AM
From: United States, NJ (M_ S Cibaeno 100%)
wao!
Written by: super_lover, 25 Feb 2011 11:26 AM
From: Haiti
@ Bernard, why waste your time with ateo? You already beat him up intellectually with your brilliant cross-analysis regarding his disbelief of God and the declaration of the Dom flag. He talks with big balls but I know that he could never stand in a fight. He is too emotional. I don't mean to insult ateo directly but he needs some warm milk and soft chocolate chip cookies and he will be ok.

What my Dominican friends are doing is taking the easiest way out. They focus on getting rid of the Haitians but there is a huge demand for them here. Why don't the they focus as much attention on their rich countrymen and ask them to stop hiring Haitian illegals? Why is it that we hear about Haitians that are being gathered up in barrios and repatriated but you will never hear about 2,000 or 3,000 illegal Haitian being gathered up from the Vicini bateys or the Hassim bateys? If the "gold" "rules" and the "demand" is controlled by the "gold" then you figure out the rest.

Sincerely, SL
Written by: super_lover, 25 Feb 2011 11:40 AM
From: Haiti
A Great Prayer to God for Peace:

Notre Père, qui es aux cieux,
Que ton nom soit sanctifié,
Que ton règne vienne,
Que ta volonté soit faite sur la terre comme au ciel.
Donne-nous aujourd'hui notre pain de ce jour.
Pardonne-nous nos offences
Comme nous pardonnons aussi à ceux qui nous ont offensés.
Et ne nous soumets pas à la tentation,
mais délivre-nous du mal,
car c'est à toi qu'appartiennent le règne,
la puissance et la gloire, aux siècles des siècles.
Amen.
Written by: cantave, 25 Feb 2011 12:22 PM
From: United States, !<82ndAbd>!Lt.Tigah>Fort Bragg>North Carolina, U.S>Platoon Leader>Tactical Hardcore.
From now on, Etiennc01 will be considered hostile to the haitiano cause.
He is a benedict arnorld, Ojeda, Ma-Fui ,a traitor and will be treated as such.
He is a Dominican wannabe bozo and I do not have any respect for him anymore

Semper " The merciless one" Fidelis...........
Written by: etiennc01, 25 Feb 2011 12:47 PM
From: United States
super-lover, no need to bother God. He gave us a beautiful country without really fighting for it. We fuc__ed it up and as Pilate He has washed His hands. We fuc__ed it up so bad that we became so desperate that we are willing to let it ran by a vulgar transvestite.
We go to school and study all the easy junks like history sociology, anthropology so we can get a govenemnt job so we can participate in stealing and blackmailing.
Unable to grow up and save Haiti we go around blaming everyone but ourselves.for Haiti's mess.
We even have the audacity to suggest that other stable. adult countries should absorb our poor or fuse with Haiti.
Keep waiting for God in the waiting room instead of going to the operation room and save Haiti
Written by: hellborn25, 25 Feb 2011 12:50 PM
From: United States, I dont even live inside a house , I haunt one!
the proffersor better get a gun and join his haitian brothers for the takeover , because you better believe they wont go down without a fight .
Written by: etiennc01, 25 Feb 2011 12:51 PM
From: United States
Cantave, sorry I did not know that one aspect of the Haitian cause was to bring our poor , our sick , our uneducated,and disfranchised to the Dominican Republic door step and blackmailing them into accpeting them.
Written by: super_lover, 25 Feb 2011 1:05 PM
From: Haiti
First of all, venganzaderafael, I would have liked to have known your grandfather. He was a real stand-up guy and I know that you are rightfully proud of him.

etienne - I know several Etiennes who live in Puerto Rico and one of my old friends (now deceased) was an Etienne and a bank manager at NBP - Haiti (God Rest His Soul).

How could you state that "God gave us a beautiful country without really fighting for it." Are you serious? Do you think that any European strong-power would just abandon their jewels - that is what Haiti represented during those days. We represented a major force in the sugar and rhum sectors of the entire world. We had to fight and we did. We fought atrocity with atrocity and we freed the slaves in the DR as well against their slave-masters.

When the French demanded payment by force (1825), remember that Haitians and Dominicans became pseudo slaves to the French because Boyer was already running the DR at this time and for another 22 years.
Written by: cantave, 25 Feb 2011 1:06 PM
From: United States, !<82ndAbd>!Lt.Tigah>Fort Bragg>North Carolina, U.S>Platoon Leader>Tactical Hardcore.
hellborn25!!
Humans are constantly on the move, packing up and resettling in different towns, in a neighbouring country, or on the other side of an ocean. Humans have migrated for various reasons since their emergence as a species.
Social reasons have prompted many more migrations than natural phenomena. Examples are inadequate food supply caused by population increase or by soil loss; the desire for material gain, as in the 13th-century invasion of the wealthy cities of western Asia by Turkish ethnic groups; and the search for religious or political autonomy, as in the migrations of the Huguenots, Jews, Puritans, Quakers, and others to North America.
the professor is may be 50 years ahead of time.

Semper " The merciless one" Fidelis...........
Written by: super_lover, 25 Feb 2011 1:14 PM
From: Haiti
The Dominicans were also working the fields in the DR to help raise the money (with 15% annual interest) to pay the indemnity to France. The French owe all of us.

What about the US occupation of Haiti from 1915- 1934? They built alot of infrastructure in Haiti but by force. They also used their contractors, their equipment, and their materials - all purchased in the USA with Haiti's money. Is this what you mean when you say "We Haitians F _cked it up ourselves?"

Yes, Haitians are to blame for several things, but let me tell you the sure way of putting Haiti back on its feet. 1 - Security 2- Energy 3- Change the Foreign Investment laws to be more friendly 4 - Break up the monopolies (1 rhum, 1 beer, 1 major water purifier, 1seller of Honda, 1 seller of toyota, 1 seller of nissan, 1 propane distributor, 1 private owner of all of Haiti's fuels terminals) 5- Haitian diaspora investments. Put this in working order and watch Haiti lift from the ashes.
Written by: Pepe32, 25 Feb 2011 5:37 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Etienne Kudos!!

Superlover ,the underhanded bs comes out in the end though you and BJP are trying to use God as a shield to defend the indefensible !!

France does not owe us and Boyer was part of an army of OCCUPATION which we did not want and we eventually chased out so we had to work to pay for Haiti's problems even in the beginning!

Dios God ,not the gods of the voodoo or santeria pantheon
Patria Dominican Republic on the island of La Española our country free of occupying armies
Libertad Freedom gained first from Haiti and then from Spain with our blood ,not to mention our battles against the French at Palo Hincado and the US troops!

Haiti was only a jewel when administered by the French and under the most inhuman and cruel treatment of your ancestors but you have never managed your third well and blaming others has become a national pastime .
Until you realise your errors and make fundamental changes
Written by: Pepe32, 25 Feb 2011 5:42 PM
From: Dominican Republic
nothing will change no matter how many billions are poured into Haiti!
Written by: Pepe32, 25 Feb 2011 5:49 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Tough love is the only love that will change the course of Haiti's history for the children's sake because these gentleman are more concerned with pride while the children of Haiti are left barefoot and hungry and worse of all without hope.
We get upset and the constant bs we get in this forum but I think you know that we as a people truly wish for things to turn around in Haiti sometimes I think we want it more than many Haitians!
Written by: Pepe32, 25 Feb 2011 5:49 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Etienne,if one has a dear family member who is on the wrong path there are two choices ;

1.We can exculpate our family member and blame others for the problem
2. We can tell our family member the truth and help them change

Most take the easy path (1) and blame everyone but the source of the problem and the problem continues to fester but those who truly love want things to change and prefer for the family member to be upset than to remain silent and see the suffering continue ,that is the sign of true love because it is easy to blame others and much harder to look in the mirror and correct the problems .
Written by: Edwin514, 25 Feb 2011 6:36 PM
From: Dominican Republic
@Pepe32 , we actually became independent from Spain first in 1821, then Haiti in 1844, and then Spain again in the 1860's. (Just a correction :)

But I do see your point.
Written by: cantave, 25 Feb 2011 6:54 PM
From: United States, !<82ndAbd>!Lt.Tigah>Fort Bragg>North Carolina, U.S>Platoon Leader>Tactical Hardcore.
No body and I repeat no body chased Boyer’s army out, they got chased after Boyer was overthrowed by some bozos like Etiennec01 named Rivierre Herrard.
On November 15, 1821, several frontier towns near the border with Santo Domingo raised the Haitian flag as a show of independence. The new nation was known as Haiti. On December 1, 1821, the leaders of the new nation resolved to unite Spanish Haiti with Gran Colombia.
Some politicians and military officers in Santo Domingo favored unification with the Republic of Haiti. Former slaves sought to secure emancipation under Haitian President Jean-Pierre Boyer. Another faction based in Dajabon, near the border, opposed union with Gran Colombia and supported Boyer.Boyer sought to protect his country from the danger of France or Spain's retaking Haití Español and attacking or re-conquering Haiti. He wanted to maintain Haitian independence and secure the freedom of the slaves in Haití Español.
Written by: cantave, 25 Feb 2011 6:55 PM
From: United States, !<82ndAbd>!Lt.Tigah>Fort Bragg>North Carolina, U.S>Platoon Leader>Tactical Hardcore.
After promising protection to several Dominican frontier governors and securing their allegiance, Boyer invaded the Dominican Republic with a force of 50,000 soldiers in February 1822. These forces encountered resistance from the white population. On February 9, 1822, Boyer formally entered the capital city, Santo Domingo, where Núñez turned over the keys to the city. Dominicans reacted uneasily to the Haitian invasion.
Written by: cantave, 25 Feb 2011 6:57 PM
From: United States, !<82ndAbd>!Lt.Tigah>Fort Bragg>North Carolina, U.S>Platoon Leader>Tactical Hardcore.
The island of Hispaniola was now united under one government from Cape Tiburon to Cape Samana. By awarding land to Haitian military officers at the expense of former members of the Spanish forces of Santo Domingo, Boyer reduced his influence with the Spanish-Haitian leadership. He continued the policy of Alexandre Pétion, his former political mentor, of helping free people of color in other Spanish Latin American colonies resist the Spanish crown. Boyer ignored Haitian political opponents who called for reforms, such as parliamentary democracy, and veteran generals of the War of Independence, who believed that the revolution was not complete and that they were being neglected.
We were once a superpower like it or not.

Etiennec01 is now considered PERSONA NON GRATA,not part of the haitiano cause.

Semper " The merciless one" Fidelis...........
Written by: MS_Jersey, 25 Feb 2011 7:58 PM
From: United States, NJ (M_ S Cibaeno 100%)
La cancion de Jose Jose dice: "YA LO PASADO PASADO, NO ME INTERESA"

Mojon commander, they've got their ass kicked then, and they would get their ass kicked again; without an army, just with the two pair bien puesto, y el machete en mano.

JUAN PABLO DUARTE ERA MAS MACHO QUE TODOS USTEDES JUNTOS.
Written by: Pepe32, 25 Feb 2011 8:48 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Edwin ,thanks I am aware of the "independencia efimera" or ephemeral independance which was bloodless and short lived for the Haitians took advantage of the absence of Spain to march across the border and occupy us.
Written by: Pepe32, 25 Feb 2011 8:51 PM
From: Dominican Republic
"We were once a superpower like it or not."


This is why I say (many) Haitians are delusional ,I mean a SUPERPOWER!!! LOL!!

Etiennec01 is now considered PERSONA NON GRATA,not part of the haitiano cause.

This is Dominican today and Etienne as a LEGAL Dominican resident has way more right than you micropene!!
Written by: riosm, 25 Feb 2011 8:53 PM
From: United States
I say......let the Haitians help them selves they have enough of their own problems just as long as they stay on their side of the border.

UNIFICATION......I DON'T THINK SO, NOT IN MY LIFE TIME.
Written by: cantave, 25 Feb 2011 9:57 PM
From: United States, !<82ndAbd>!Lt.Tigah>Fort Bragg>North Carolina, U.S>Platoon Leader>Tactical Hardcore.
Written by: MS_Jersey, 25 Feb 2011 7:58 PM
From: United States, NJ (M_ S Cibaeno 100%)
La cancion de Jose Jose dice: "YA LO PASADO PASADO, NO ME INTERESA"
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Look who's talking, ya’ll Minicanos are the one stuck in 1822, Talking about Dessalines did this ,Boyer did that, ya’ll the one that does not want to let go of the past.
1822 is long gone, Minicanos should move on.
If not ,still will be a perpetual hatred among us.
How a Minicano treat us is the same way a minicano will be treated,just that simple.

Remember!!!!!
Igitur si vis pacem, para bellum.
Semper " The merciless one" Fidelis...........

Written by: cantave, 25 Feb 2011 10:04 PM
From: United States, !<82ndAbd>!Lt.Tigah>Fort Bragg>North Carolina, U.S>Platoon Leader>Tactical Hardcore.
Written by: MS_Jersey, 25 Feb 2011 7:58 PM
From: United States, NJ (M_ S Cibaeno 100%)
JUAN PABLO DUARTE ERA MAS MACHO QUE TODOS USTEDES JUNTOS.
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JUAN PABLO DUARTE never been a military man, He was a visionary and liberal thinker .

Semper " The merciless one" Fidelis...........
Written by: super_lover, 25 Feb 2011 10:08 PM
From: Haiti
@Pepe 32 - You obviously do not have a good understanding of our shared history. Remember, most Dominicans looked up to Haitians especially since they had freed them from slavery. Do you think that the Spanish form of slavery was enjoyable? The atrocities of Spanish rule of the DR is documented and makes the Haitian rule of the DR look like a Disney Movie. Yes, the lighter skinned/wealthy dominicans didn't like it and we all know for what reasons. The lighter skinned/wealthy Haitians also fought with the French against the rebellion in Haiti for the very same reasons. We have to apply blame where it is correctly deserving and I have done that and I will do that to the death because the truth is the truth.

I respect the truth, don't you? Basing my argument on anything less would be hypocritical. You have to try to put yourself in the shoes of the players at the time and I know that it is not easy to do in present day. Slavery was accepted and protected. Haiti was alone!
Written by: Pepe32, 25 Feb 2011 10:20 PM
From: Dominican Republic
super,you repeat the same retreaded Haitian fantasies that you have been taught .

In the first place Dominicans initially declared our independence from Spain ,we didn't rush to join Haiti otherwise an invasion would not have been necessary.As far as your minimization of the Haitian atrocities it is par for the course because it was not your people being raped ,murdered and whose land was being destroyed by the savage Haitian armies,so I don't know what Disney movies you are referring to .Why did we have to pay for Haiti's problems and why did you have to invade?? I know the Haitian line that it was an act of kindness followed by brutality and carnage and even when we expelled the savages multiple attempts to re-occupy us were taken so please accept that Haiti should apologise for their actions against us if they truly want friendship for we are not the French that enslaved your people yet we payed a heavy price .
Written by: guillermone, 25 Feb 2011 10:21 PM
From: United States
Sorry to disappoint you super lover, but the master and slave dynamics on the Spanish speaking eastern side of Hispaniola was totally different to that of Ayiti. In fact it was precisely for this difference that the free black slave movement did not take hold and succeed in the DR like it did for the first slave Republc.
Written by: Pepe32, 25 Feb 2011 10:25 PM
From: Dominican Republic
You speak of truth and then proceed to regurgitate the same tired lies that don't stand up to logical observation but it is typical for the Haitians to delude themselves like your compatriot speaking of being a SUPERPOWER !!

You only occupied us because you had a great numerical superiority and like today you found some willing traitors in our ranks but shortly after we let the Haitians know over and over that we did not want to have anything to do with your country because of the savage acts committed in our country and Haitians then laid the seeds of the animosity that still exists today and are still unapologetic and even PROUD of their "accomplishments" in our land .

Learn some humility ,fix Haiti and then come to tell us who you are because words of greatness from a barefoot ignorant peasant are only worthy of laughter or pity!
Written by: martin, 25 Feb 2011 10:26 PM
From: United States, boston to S.P.M 23
cantavito poor u haitianito tell ur fukin hatians help them modafukin self from one of the most richess 2 the poorest country tanks 2 ur own people
Written by: cantave, 25 Feb 2011 10:29 PM
From: United States, !<82ndAbd>!Lt.Tigah>Fort Bragg>North Carolina, U.S>Platoon Leader>Tactical Hardcore.
HE FIRST BLACK REPUBLIC
The first black republic is only 200 years old. For the first time an army of slaves defeated the oppressors and a new state was born. January 1st 2004 Haiti celebrated 200 years of independence.
Rebellion among slaves happened frequently in all the slave-colonies but the rebels very seldom succeeded to gain anything but more misery.
Haiti (St. Domingue as the colony in the Caribbean was then called) was one of the richest colonies in the world producing mainly coffee and sugar. And as most other colonies in the 18th and 19th century it was completely dependent on the work of slaves imported from Africa. Christopher Columbus arrived in 1492. First Spanish and then French people made plantations started importing slaves in great numbers.
News of the French revolution in 1789 affected the political climate for everybody on the island. The white farmers started discussing the possibility of independence from France, but too late .
Written by: cantave, 25 Feb 2011 10:30 PM
From: United States, !<82ndAbd>!Lt.Tigah>Fort Bragg>North Carolina, U.S>Platoon Leader>Tactical Hardcore.
they realised that also their black slaves could have dreams of “freedom, equality and brotherhood”.
In August 1791 an uprising against the French farm-owners started among the slaves in Haiti. There was a clear majority of black slaves in the population and at first they had no problems in taking over control. Plantations were destroyed and many whites were killed or forced to flee from the island. French, Spanish, and English troops came aid. They were fighting each other for control but they all agreed the main aim: to prevent black domination in a former colony.



Written by: cantave, 25 Feb 2011 10:30 PM
From: United States, !<82ndAbd>!Lt.Tigah>Fort Bragg>North Carolina, U.S>Platoon Leader>Tactical Hardcore.
François Toussaint L'Ouverture, the grandson of an African chief, became the military leader of the former slaves. Toussaint remained in charge in the following many years of frequent battles, but in 1802 he was captured by French forces and later died in a French prison.
With the French arrival a revolution started once again and when it was finally over, an army of black slaves had their victory against the army of Napoleon. On January 1st 1804, Jean-Jacques Dessalines, an African-born ex-slave could declare Haiti independent. It was the first black republic in the world and the first country in the Western hemisphere to abolish slavery completely.
As word got around the black population in Haiti became inspiration for Africans in the rest of the world.

Semper " The merciless one" Fidelis...........
Written by: martin, 25 Feb 2011 10:34 PM
From: United States, boston to S.P.M 23
@ cantave they also celebrate 150 years of misery to
Written by: Pepe32, 25 Feb 2011 10:42 PM
From: Dominican Republic
of man and Haiti seems to have a patent on vain pride based on nothing except for hot air .
Written by: Pepe32, 25 Feb 2011 10:42 PM
From: Dominican Republic
200 years of a downward slide and you guys still don't get it ...

illiterate culturally backwards ex slaves who had recently arrived on this island were not in any way shape or form ready to run a nation and even many mulattos who had some experience in governance were sidelined or even killed to form the only race based nation in the hemisphere.
Why is anyone surprised by the results ???

200 years of blaming others instead of looking in the mirror and CHANGING because a failed method will fail over and over . Today you speak of a renaissance but of course counting on foreign money that may or may not come and even if it does come will probably not reach its destination and only fill the pockets of a handful of "patriotic" haitians who speak of greatness while their compatriots suffer . The Haitians need a new revolution and to chop off the heads of those who speak of greatness while they starve and suffer en masse!
Pride and haughtiness are the traits of the downfall
Written by: super_lover, 25 Feb 2011 10:44 PM
From: Haiti
@ Pepe 32: "super,you repeat the same retreaded Haitian fantasies that you have been taught "

You cannot win this argument, not because I feel that I am smarter than you are or because you think that you are smarter than I am. History is history and historical accounts are will documented from both sides of Hispanola. Both sides have accepted our history and historians from other countries, like the US and UK archives, all substantiate what I and cantave have stated. To follow a different path only makes you look foolish.

Everybody who writes English into this forum can read for themselves and see/learn the truth about our shared history.


Written by: super_lover, 25 Feb 2011 10:45 PM
From: Haiti
Are you saying that Dominicans, after winning their independence from Spain in 1821 were so frightened by 50,000 Haitian troop members? If you say no, then it would substantiate why there was such widespread support by the majority of Dominicans, including military and elected officials. Were the Dominicans mice then and men now? I don't buy that. If you say yes, then I guess cantave is right and Haiti was a major SUPERPOWER at the time. Only a superpower would incite such fear in a country that just discouraged the mighty Spanish.

Written by: Pepe32, 25 Feb 2011 11:11 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Super ,post the discussion in the forum where it can truly be discussed ... unless you are worried that your IP will match one or several of our persistent trolls with the same delirium...

Written by: tartesos, 26 Feb 2011 1:23 AM
From: United States
history cannot be changed...
the ruling of haiti over dominicans was worse than spanish!!! dont be a fool!! did spanish came to towns and rape all the white women and slit the throat of white men? town to town from the border until the east coast? as you all know, the majority saw all white people and its possesions as the culprit of their suffering and it should be destroyed!!( except for the smart people at the north part of haiti that did not burn all your plantations and infraestructure), and that happened in the dominican side...
slaves in the spanish side were even able to work and pay a "peculio" for their "freedom" and were sometimes even wealthier than their masters...

bottom line, we did not like you in our country and we kicked you out with a high price of blood and money to be able to have a great independent nation, and we intend to keep it that way, with emphasis on independent!! o que se hunda la isla!!!

Written by: tartesos, 26 Feb 2011 1:25 AM
From: United States
About the independence war... Haitians must now cry like a woman what they could not defend as a man! no point in nonsense now, it is in the past!!
we won and thats the end of it!!!!
he dicho!! caso cerrado!
Written by: venganzaderafael, 26 Feb 2011 2:27 AM
From: United States
Lover and Cantave are on target on the development of the Haitian revolution and the precarious situation it was in. But let me fill in some details that dictated the course of history. The revolutionaries led by Touissant, aided by the capable Generals in Petion, leader of the " Dominican looking" Haitians, Henri Christophe the greatest Haitian warrior and greatest Haitian who ever lived ( I'll expound on that later), and the bloodthirsty butcher Dessalines, who while fierce and bold in his battles slew too many unnecessary lives and is the main reason for the plight we are in today.

To our Haitian friends the following words are not meant to insult or dishonor your memories of Dessalines. I understand his actions. Don't condone them but I understand.

Dessaline was captured as a young man in Africa (from present day Nigeria I believe).
Brought to America in the brutal conditions of the slave ship ( can u people imagine what this man went thru) he is sold like cattle in
Written by: airgordo, 26 Feb 2011 2:45 AM
From: Dominican Republic
ENOUGH BULL S about the DR indepence movement.

1- STOP that BStting of 1821, We DID NOT win the independence from spain, even the NAME of that period is followed by the adjective "EFIMERA", INDEPENDENCIA EFIMERA...when this was done by Nunez de caceres we were on ESPAÑA BOBA, spain simply was absent from a full presence, or do i have to explain that Spain had their hands FULL with their TRUE jewell MEXICO and South and Central America? that is WHY this guy declared an independet state WITH THE STROKE OF A PEN, that is what happened...

2- There is HARDLY anyone more racist than the haitian Goverment, during those LOOOOONG 22 years of Burden upon Dominicans, The Crazy megalomaniac Boyer initiated a campaing to NEGRONIZE the DR, he imported Freeman from the US and placed them on Samana among other places in order to change by Force the etnicity of the DR...BIG mistake...

3- Can somebody tell me what is the name of the country that BANNED NON NEGROS from rulling? isn't that RAC
Written by: Espada, 26 Feb 2011 2:49 AM
From: Dominican Republic
It's time to deport every last one of them and build a wall to keep them out for good.

These foreigners have no regard for Dominican sovereignty, by entering illegally, they are criminals and must be dealt with as criminals.
Written by: airgordo, 26 Feb 2011 3:01 AM
From: Dominican Republic
4- So the Dominicans received Boyer with arms wide open, let's see how easy is to wash away this piece of crap WITH SIMPLE FACTS... let me put this on context, in 1965 the USA decided to INVADE the DR for the THIRD time, we were about 3.8 Million people, they used 42,000 marines...42,000...Boyer used 50,000 i wonder if somebody from the " Haitian Superpower" knows what the dominican population was back then...i'll give a Hint, in 1804 the haitian Population was close to 500,000... the "DR" side had about 120,000 or 5 TIMES LESS, how much could it have been on 1821??? use PLAIN LOGIC, don't have to work on NASA to get an estimate...

Written by: venganzaderafael, 26 Feb 2011 3:01 AM
From: United States
Haiti to a white man. After not being able to submit him to their will after many beatings and deprivation the white slave owners were simply willing to cut their losses and hang him when Touissant a freed slave who had bought his freedom happened by and saved his life by purchasing him then set him free. Dessalines than began to release his pent up rage against the race that had subjected him to such humiliation, physical torture and mental abuse when he joined Touissant in his plan to free the slaves.

Wherever Dessaline was involved in a battle, no white people were left alive. This was no Caballero.
Did'nt matter sex or age "u white goodnight". To the contrary of Henri who was as fierce brilliant in battle, but tempered in taking retribution. Dessalines basically killed or scared off Haiti practically all of their white people. After butchering those pompous, arrogant and cruel slave owners in Haiti he joined the invasion of the Spanish side and repeated his butchery on us
Written by: airgordo, 26 Feb 2011 3:07 AM
From: Dominican Republic
5- When Stupids talk about unification of the island by any means that they consider, they forget the most important thing, WE FOUGHT 12 F...ng!! YEARS against these people TO BE FREEEEEE..... TWELVE YEARS...does somebody knows a case on this planet where a country that fought another so long then throws all that away and goes back 167 years??? there is NO power on this planet to make the DR people accept that, whoever who even dares to think that forgets or does not know that the dominicans have given Blood, hell and Bullets to the main Powers of this planet...
Written by: airgordo, 26 Feb 2011 3:19 AM
From: Dominican Republic
@Written by: venganzaderafael

You are right in the money, Dessalines killed THOUSANDS in the Cibao region, that is WHY small MOUNTAIN towns like Janico, Sabana Iglesias, San Jose de las Matas, Villa Trina, etc... all packed with almost pure "whites", founded by people who had the "luck" to escape this blood thirsty monster...this not to mention what he did to his OWN country men...is like Pedro santana, what he did with his hands, he destroyied with the feet!!!
Written by: airgordo, 26 Feb 2011 3:27 AM
From: Dominican Republic
One more thing, Juan Pablo Duarte, THE founding father of the DR, was Brigadier General on the Dominican Army, so although more intellectual than warrior he completely understood that cute words WILL NOT SUFFICE to get these people out of our land and stop MILKING US to pay their debt, he understood that there was a time to reason and talk and there was the time of the use of FORCE as well.
Written by: BernardJeanPierre, 26 Feb 2011 3:52 AM
From: United States, Earth
Wow 175 comments! This baby might bust 200. Not surprised though.
All I can say is that Peace is better than War, Love is better than Hate, Humility better than Pride, so that the Future CAN BE better than the Past.
Written by: venganzaderafael, 26 Feb 2011 4:26 AM
From: United States
And the attacks on our white and criollo population was not well taken by those spanish slaves that were freed. This is a crucial difference between us. Whereas your French masters were tyranical in their treatment of u and because of the enormous imbalance of french colonists to slaves, you had a large black population with no familial connection to the whites.

The Spanish however mixed with everything in sight for three hundred years. I'm sure at first the slaves you freed were grateful but when Dessi and his rabid hoardes(Touissant and Christophe had disciplined armies) started raping tita Caona and slicing uncle Felipe's throat brotherhood went out the window.

By the time Boyer invaded the capitol with an army bigger than the population of the Capitol, nearly
20 yrs had passed since liberation. Nobody wanted the Haityian army there,

At that time the Spanish had left and taken their guns and the Haitian army had the modern weapons they had inherited from dead fren
Written by: Yucahu, 26 Feb 2011 8:51 AM
From: United States, Miami
We will fight, plain and simple. This is not a game. Somebody said that I am hiding behind a computer. I do not hide, if you want me come and get me. I have pelos en esto maldito guebos carajo!!!!!! Vamonos pa nuestro maldito pai a pelear conho!!! Vamos a pelear conho pa que no repesten. Nosotros no somo como lo boricua, ni jabladore como lo cubano, vamo fajarno conhaso!!!!!
Written by: Yucahu, 26 Feb 2011 8:53 AM
From: United States, Miami
Ya dejen de hablar mierda el que e hombre de verda se va a ir pa'lla a fajarse. Yo' si voy.
Written by: ignoranceisbliss, 26 Feb 2011 9:33 AM
From: United States
pat

New world order. The writing is on the wall. Nationalism is dead. Started with chirac.

Bernard

Man with the biggest gun writes the rules
Written by: ignoranceisbliss, 26 Feb 2011 9:33 AM
From: United States
pat

New world order. The writing is on the wall. Nationalism is dead. Started with chirac.

Bernard

Man with the biggest gun writes the rules
Written by: super_lover, 26 Feb 2011 11:14 AM
From: Haiti
I am sure with all of the great writers that were around during the time, there are many books and or accounts of how the Haitians treated the Dominicans during Haiti's rule of the DR (1822-1844). I like to learn about these facts for myself. I have seached the web and found very little. Can one of you point me in the direction of an accredited source?

I am amused at the guys who want to start fighting an all out war in the DR- the Great War of Immigration. What a great and noble history for future generations. Perhaps now we understand the frustrations of the Puerto Rican people who stated last week (San Juan Star) that there are over 200,000 illegal dominicans in puerto rico by conservative estimates and because of not having a social security number, many are resigned to prostitution, drug dealing, and other criminal activities. It reminds me of the old man that tells the young man to never smoke, while the old man is puffing away like a chimney. Practice what you preach!
Written by: super_lover, 26 Feb 2011 11:17 AM
From: Haiti
"Man with the biggest gun writes the rules"

@Ignoranceisbliss,

Is that why ther is so much US-American ass kissing around here?
Written by: Pepe32, 26 Feb 2011 2:43 PM
From: Dominican Republic
"super" start a topic in the forum asking that question and I guarantee you will get plenty of links ....

which is why in a short amount of time the whole population rose up against the occupying forces and kicked their arses back to Haiti and continued to kick Haitian arse in invasion after invasion because Haiti was quickly going downhill and we did not want anything to do with Haiti .(Still don't)

I know you avoid the forum because your IP shows there and you would have trouble using your alter ego ....
Written by: MS_Jersey, 26 Feb 2011 3:16 PM
From: United States, NJ (M_ S Cibaeno 100%)
183 comments should be a new record.

LATE BONBON ANYONE?
Written by: airgordo, 26 Feb 2011 4:53 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Mr. Super Lover....I don't care how many dominicans are in puerto rico, that is puerto ricans problem (if there is any) to resolve but i can reserach the NUMBERS of the ones deported from AMERICAN SOIL, includding Puerto Rico... they reach the thousands EVERY YEAR, do you see somebody here complaining becasue of that??? see how this childish and and silly argument is trashed???

I can research the numbers from europe as well!!! yet this does not make the news on DR, BECAUSE WE in general don't blame on others what is our responsability as a country. WE WANT FAIRNESS, Plain and Simple, WE want for the Illegals on DR which are 99.9% haitians the SAME FATE that the Illegals FROM DR get all over the world, INMEDIATE DEPORTATION and at least Finger Prints taken!!! this to know or have a record of who the individual is becasue a HUGE amount of haitians don't even exist on their own contry...so STOP comparing the inmigration of your countrymen with anything else known on this HEMISPHERE.
Written by: riosm, 26 Feb 2011 5:15 PM
From: United States
Super_Lover,
I agree.......I say cut all U.S present and future aide to Haiti. We Dominican's have done enough....enough is ENOUGH.

Also as I stated before.....one is for thinking and the other is for sc------ maybe Haitians can have
" who has the biggest contest" proceeds can then be donated to help Haiti fund.

The way I see it Haiti is a classic example of WHAT NOT TO DO.

From Haitian independence to total poverty.
Written by: cantave, 26 Feb 2011 10:36 PM
From: United States, !<82ndAbd>!Lt.Tigah>Fort Bragg>North Carolina, U.S>Platoon Leader>Tactical Hardcore.
verguenza de rafaelII
Ypu sir know the history of the island of hispanola,
I respect a well educated Minicano.

Semper " The merciless one" Fidelis...........
Written by: riosm, 27 Feb 2011 1:23 PM
From: United States
Cantave,

Why is it that Haitians still speak the language of the Country that scr**** Haiti in the first place ?

Then twisted French up and call it creole or French street jive talk as it's called in France ?

For once I like many Dominicans would like to see Haiti prosper......on their side of the Island after all Haiti is a separate sovereign Country.


Written by: venganzaderafael, 27 Feb 2011 2:56 PM
From: United States
GOOD MORNING AND HAPPY INDEPENDANCE DAY to all my compatriots on our beautiful island and in the diasporra. Today we celebrate our will for self determination, freedom from foreign soldiers and influences in our lands and the right to survive as a culture and ethnic entity.

Fusion with Haiti would swallow that culture and ethnic identity due to the simple fact that we will become a minority in our own land.

This is why the Israelis don't want fusion with Palestinians. If there is to be a lasting peace on our whole island we must respect each other's culture and sovereignty.

Dios Patria y Libertad
Written by: hellborn25, 27 Feb 2011 3:54 PM
From: United States, I dont even live inside a house , I haunt one!
Humans are constantly on the move, packing up and resettling in different towns, in a neighbouring country, or on the other side of an ocean. Humans have migrated for various reasons since their emergence as a species.

cantave your comparing apples with oranges , you cannot compare migration of species , to hostile takeover by another country , haitians are desperete for food and clothes and shelter ? a mass exodus to the dominican republic is not the answer , uniting the two countries is not the answer. doing something bulding and working to change the problem is . Creating and fighting for a honest goverment is hard to do but im sured there are people that live in haiti that want to do something to change the rampat poverty that exist in haiti.
Written by: guillermone, 27 Feb 2011 10:06 PM
From: United States
R P Joseph made a cry of desparation. Just last month on Jan 1, 1804, Haiti proclaimed its independence from French rule, 207 years ago and it has been down hill ever since. How much longer will it take to get it right. some never do no matter what.

What the professor has subletly suggested is the dissolution of the Hatian state as we know it today, with the hopes that some one will absorb the remnants. He resorted to the most obvious, the fusion of two neighboring countries to become one entity.

As far fetch as it may sound, he might not be too far from reality. The over 2 millions Haitians already on our territory and the thousands still crossing, will inevitably and certainly leave a permanent mark on Dominican culture. It is a fact that can not be denied unless authorities take drastic action, exactly what they are not doing, Unfortunately, the inertia on the part of DR gov't does not inspire confidence to make us believe the inevitable will ever alter its course.
Written by: santiagorodriguez, 28 Feb 2011 12:05 AM
From: United States
This is an example of an internalized cultural superiority founded on the concept of nationalistic purity by Jean-Jacques Dessaline's wrongful death of 22,000 white and metis Haitians that has created a backlash of Haiti's destiny.
Written by: santiagorodriguez, 28 Feb 2011 12:15 AM
From: United States
The International Community will learn of the historical facts of Jean Jacques Dessaline's nativist ideas and empathy toward Dominicans who mirror the Western Hemisphere's multiple cultures will resonate.
Written by: ZonaDominicana, 28 Feb 2011 3:30 AM
From: United States, Orange County, California
I think this news is DT trying to get some commends from its visitors. Everyone knows this is not true and it was used from Balaguer to influence the voting outcome in election days. The same tactics was used in USA promoting Soviet invasion and the rising of communism in order to obtain funding for more weapons, Korean war, and promote democracy around the world. An ignorance population is easy to manipulate and influence in their decisions.
Written by: venganzaderafael, 28 Feb 2011 4:20 AM
From: United States
Bs this is not true it is all I hear from family and friends returning or coming from DR is how the Haitians are all over the place in towns where there never were before.

Where do you expect 1mil "new" refugees to go given freedom to roam because the authorities were afraid to be portrayed as racist? All over the f***** place. Lookout in those town where there are no Haitians. They are going to look for you.

As for the authorities (and where are the municipal authorities' voices and first line of defense against lawlessness and vagrancy) and their fears, how the h*** are we racist when black is in our veins?

The problem is that the Spanish side of the island is the recipient of Haiti's huddled masses, their poor, their illiterate, their hungry; but we're not the statue of freaking liberty. And what do you expect this unskilled horde to do in time to better their station? They will turn to crime as they are doing in the Bahamas where they now are the biggest drug gangs
Written by: venganzaderafael, 28 Feb 2011 4:40 AM
From: United States
Many of the writers with Haitian sympathies are educated and reasonable. But that is not who's coming to dinner. We do not have the economic capacity to legally absorb and support tens of hundreds of thousands of illiterate foreign speaking unskilled workers. Not everybody is going to get a legal job.

Now some skilled educated Haitians would be useful.
Written by: Nehesy, 28 Feb 2011 6:44 AM
From: France, London / Paris
"Jean-Jacques Dessaline's wrongful death of 22,000 white and metis Haitians that has created a backlash of Haiti's destiny. "

LIE , how Dessalines could killed 22 000 whites in Haiti where there was less than 5000 at that time ???

Haitians metis + Dessalines soldiers killed around 3000 whites on that period
Written by: Nehesy, 28 Feb 2011 6:54 AM
From: France, London / Paris
And As Pat Diamond said, if the supreme powers want a Haiti/Dominican Republic union. It will happen.

Arabs didn't want the jews of Europe in Palestine, now we have an Israel State,

Europeans didn't want a European community with a single money, and single economic policies , now we have it and the nationalists (France, Spain, Greece, Germany) are still fighting but they can't do anything : The Financial Institutions rule the world, not Obama, Sarkozy, or Angela Merkel

That's the New World Order project , if the financial institutions want a union Haiti/RD, unfortunately it will happen.

They started in the new world by uniting the different states in what we call USA. Lincoln waged a war against the South not to fight slavery but to maintain that unity ( see Howard Zinn), they followed up with Europen and the European Community (Economics and Politics).

They have this plan in Africa, so they have to destroy all the dictators and impose puppets who will accept this...
Written by: Nehesy, 28 Feb 2011 7:06 AM
From: France, London / Paris
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Written by: Nehesy, 28 Feb 2011 7:06 AM
From: France, London / Paris
One world government project

In Africa many puppets have accepted this project : even if they are dictators they are not in trouble, because they are supported by their freemasons brethren in Paris and London.

IMF, World Bank, European Union, United Nations etc all these institutions are created for this purpose : One World Government.

The only way to fight them : stop increasing the national debt by borrowing money to these institutions : World Bank , IMF, American Treasure (or FED)

IF NOT they own you : your internal education plan, health plan, government internal economic & policies plan is managed from outside by foreigners ( US/CANADA/EUROPE)

I'm afraid that if you look at the items cited above, DR is no more Independent than Puerto Rico, from Uncle Sam...

Written by: MasGrande, 28 Feb 2011 9:15 AM
From: United States
Dominicans are not Haitians. Haitians are not Dominicans. A man in Canada too long has this confused, yet he tells us "get used to it" and "like it or not". Go back to Haiti and fix your country! Don't hide in Canada anymore!
Written by: guillermone, 28 Feb 2011 10:05 AM
From: United States
Nehesy-Unfortunately, sadly but true, no matter how much I wish you were wrong or want to disagree, by George, I think you hit it right on the bulls eye. No doubt what will decide if a unification ever takes place is determined by economic interests and the powerhouses behind it. Everybody else can scream and shout until blue in the face, but in the end, it is them who will have a final shot at the outcome.
Written by: Pepe32, 28 Feb 2011 10:18 AM
From: Dominican Republic
"I think this news is DT trying to get some commends from its visitors."

Zona ,so DT somehow forced a Haitian "historian" (combination of histerical and librarian) in Canada to write this ....

Let Balaguer rest in peace because if you knew Dominican history you would know that the ideas about Haiti did not begin with Trujillo and Balaguer (despite what the afrocentrists say) ,they were actually much stronger at the time of independence and during the horrible invasions with their genocidal scorched earth policies. Dominican policy in those days was if you see a Haitian shoot first ask questions later!
Written by: Pepe32, 28 Feb 2011 10:21 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Funny how this historian doesn't see the obvious other solution which is massive deportation!

I Martelly wins I think we better be prepared for some interesting moments!


"y estaré afilando el sable de mi abuelo ...poi si acaso!!
Written by: Nehesy, 28 Feb 2011 10:34 AM
From: France, London / Paris
They disguised this project " one world government" by the words " Globalization/Univerlization", in Europe it's already done, we support Greece and Spain almost 1/3 word economies.

Germany and London are the biggest powers in Europe.

Germany is in the European union, England too but they kept the Sterling huge difference...The world is ruled from US and London : Biggest stockmarkets places and the biggest multinationals firms are also located there.

Damn when you find out how they create Euros currency (or dollar), you know how these guys (Financial institutions/ Multinationals) have so much power.

Only afford what you can pay...If not you'll be a slave like in the old days

Every Dollar borrowed by the DR to the Financial Instutions is against your freedom and independence...

Fernandez is a puppet like Obama, sarkozy, Merkel.
Written by: Nehesy, 28 Feb 2011 10:41 AM
From: France, London / Paris
What can he do ? Kennedy was against the Vietnam war , he wanted to change the Fed ability to create money (they own the dollars not the United States country) so they killed him like a Dog.. He was supposed to be the most powerful man of the world.

So they put a puppet (Lyndon Johnson) who went to Vietnam and cancelled the laws that Kennedy wanted to impose to the FED.

It's the Financial Institutions and the US War Industry who killed him.

Because of the huge foreign debt (specially from US Banks) Fernandez won't say anything. If you put a nationalist as president and he doesn't obey, they'll create a civil war and put a puppet.

This is how it works in all the world : Irak (Saddam was their man..) , Iran (Shah), ....If you resist they ban you from the rest of mankind like Cuba...and life becomes a hell.
Written by: Nehesy, 28 Feb 2011 10:56 AM
From: France, London / Paris
The best thing for both haiti and DR :

A strong and Independent Haiti
A strong and Independent DR

Life is better in DR because , your country has not been banned from the world community for having destroyed biggest slave colony in the west indies.

The so-called haitian genocide against the French is a big lie, cause in France they don't even speak about 1804...You know why they know that they destroyed millions of Africans in that colony plus they asked 150 Millions of Francs of Damaged.

ANY COUNTRY of the world can't wage a hard war and then go on whithout any help, specially when you are imposed a huge foreign debt.This is why in Europe after WWII they were helped by the Marshall Plan...Without it they could not recover from the WWII

The supreme powers (US and England) helped the Haitians against the French ( see Herbert Aptheker) because they didn't want Napoleon to invade and suppress slavery in the USA.

Written by: Pepe32, 28 Feb 2011 11:38 AM
From: Dominican Republic
"The so-called haitian genocide against the French is a big lie, cause in France they don't even speak about 1804...You know why they know that they destroyed millions of Africans in that colony plus they asked 150 Millions of Francs of Damaged."

We all agree that the French destroyed millions of lives and that Haiti had to pay a huge burden to buy their independence but although I consider the reaction of the slaves against the French justified you cannot deny that the reaction was also brutal and bloody in a revenge filled blood frenzy that killed many people on both sides.

Also once Haiti had its independence what it did on our side was totally unjustified no matter how you wish to twist it .If Haiti had never invaded us our relationship would be very different today.
Written by: guillermone, 28 Feb 2011 12:37 PM
From: United States
"Fernandez is a puppet like Obama, sarkozy, Merkel. "

It makes a lot of sense to me now. I have always been puzzled and could not explain the passive, non-vocal, lack of reaction by Dominican authorities to the Haitian invasion. It was only after the cholera outbreak that the government finally began to be and take a more pro-active approach. I am afraid though, once fears subside, they will return to their usual apathetic and indifferent ways..

Nevertheless, Nehesy-you have stated some pretty heavy and serious stuff here. I would strongly suggest, that you start a thread specifically on who is really in charge and actually controls the "New World Order." I think it will make facinating discussion to further expand the topic beyond the limitations of this article.
Written by: Nehesy, 28 Feb 2011 4:07 PM
From: France, London / Paris
@ Pepe32

I'm not Haitian and I'm not aware of what Haitians did or not during the 22 yrs of occupation. So I don't have any reason to twist something or not ==> It's your story (Haitians & Dominicans)

If you have any book to suggest about the exactions committed during that time , please do so....I'm not afraid to read it...

Haitian war of independence was brutal, but if you read french plse read Pierre de Vayssière's book you'llunderstand why their revenge was brutal (less brutal than what they supported from the french for centuries though...)...When the French freed themselves from the German occupation, they executed any of them without any mercy and they killed also any french who collaborated with them (40000 executions in France after the liberation and they were all French).

Unfortunately ALL men act like this..

French has destroyed many times the spanish side and it seems that you don't have that same feeling against them.

@ Guillermone

It's a good idea
Written by: Pepe32, 28 Feb 2011 4:45 PM
From: Dominican Republic
"French has destroyed many times the spanish side and it seems that you don't have that same feeling against them."

France attacked SPANISH territory which was a feud between two European power ,they did not attack the Dominican Republic for only two countries have done that (Haiti,US) although the US was not interested in conquering and occupying us nor did they go on rampages to kill unarmed men women and children like the Haitians did nor did they use a scorched earth policy .

Besides you are obviously unaware that after the occupation the Haitians invaded multiple times hell bent on re occupying us ...Soulouque was quoted saying that when he was done even the chickens in Santo Domingo would be killed!

But you cannot justify the murder of any innocents be they African or French even though you may understand intellectually why they reacted the way they did because then you are justifying the mistreatment and abuse of the African slaves as well!
Written by: Pepe32, 28 Feb 2011 4:46 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Even less justification can be found for Haitian actions on our side of the island and those actions are what created the animosity that lives till today!
Written by: venganzaderafael, 28 Feb 2011 5:53 PM
From: United States
Pepe's comments are totally correct. Had Haiti not invaded when our independence was in its infancy our history would had been very different. Don't forget that the Spanish side had also thrown the french out barely 11 yrs before. We could have been allies vs the french in their extortion demands ( "pay us or we will invade").

And as for the haitian genocide of the french colonists that is no lie. Neither was the decimation of the french army sent to crush Haiti's revolution. Napolean sent 100,000 crack troops fresh from kicking a** all over Europe during the HEIGHT of Napoleanic frrench power. After the Haitian Generals Dessalines , Petion, Henri Christophe, and Gen Yellow Fever finished with them 10,000 limped back to France. That beatdown was so bad ( it makes Diem Biem Phu and Algiers seem like a draw. If I were the french I wouldn't be teaching it in the history books either. That was a humiliating defeat the likes of which can only be topped by Custer's Last Stan
Written by: Pepe32, 28 Feb 2011 7:40 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Correct venganza,that's the same reason the Brits always talk of the Spanish Armada and never mention Blas de Lezo and Cartagena .History books are biased in one way or another and the Brits learned early on to control the "information roads" of the era to the point that most of the negative terms in English are usually Spanish or French words;

Example;
Spanish Conquistador (warrior)
English Settler-pilgrim (peaceful ,even though they were also armed to the hilt)




Written by: riosm, 28 Feb 2011 8:45 PM
From: United States
Pepe32,

Sad but true.....history is always written by the victors and in many times far far from the truth.
Written by: Nehesy, 1 Mar 2011 12:19 PM
From: France, London / Paris
@ Pepe 32

If you read "Los Guerrilleros negros" by Carlos Esteban Deive, you'll see that French destroyed many times la Hispaniola ( Santiago) and Spanish took revenge as well to attack French Haiti.

At one moment of time English (in Jamaica) and spanish (La Hispaniola) joined together to hunt down the French in actual Haiti. Dessalines, Soulouque or Christophe were not there at that time...

I was not talking about French vs Spanish in Europe but in the island

Written by: venganzaderafael, 1 Mar 2011 3:53 PM
From: United States
Nehesy what time or years are you referring to? Dessi, Henri Christophe, Petion and Touisant were all contemporaries; Soulouque came about 50 yrs later. The Treaty of Ryswick that gave the French control of the western third of the island was signed in 1697. From then until the Haitian revolution I don't recall any conflicts with the French.

Are you referring to pre-1697?
Written by: ignoranceisbliss, 2 Mar 2011 7:56 PM
From: United States
pepe said,

We only have one common point with Haiti and that is the African blood on both sides but unlike Haitians Dominicans value culture before race which upsets afrocentrists

spanish culture right? LOL. Colonialism/slave/house negro mentallity on steriods with some of you guys on here. Master they're going to escape tonight and you feel proud because you defended your massas house
Written by: ignoranceisbliss, 2 Mar 2011 8:03 PM
From: United States
nehesy,


the blind intellectuals on here still believe in nationalism. LOL. NEW WORLD ORDER. This cooperation is being forced on both parties. Fools on here with there twisted 70 year old history continue to scream national pride. The same people that was working behind the scenes in the 1800 are working behind the scenes now.
US population was subjugated with bullets and then slight appeasement.
Let these guys take up arms.
Like the old white hick in the south screaming the south will rise again. 4000 deported and millions still there.

French and spanish fought on the island and they left their slaves and mixed kids on the island like dummies doing the same thing fighting
Written by: Pepe32, 2 Mar 2011 10:34 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Ignorance ,obviously you and all the Haitians here "DEFENDING" Haiti and the Haitian people still believe in nationalism (or perhaps racialism)otherwise you would not be here month after month in defense of t=something you ridicule.

Ignorance ,racists afrocentrists and white power folks are the same breed in a different hue because neither of you will ever understand that pigmentation is not the most important aspect of a human being ...What I find hilarious is that those very same people for whom race is the prime denominator call others racists or other denigrating terms because they don't follow the race based purist credo.
Written by: airgordo, 2 Mar 2011 11:56 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Pepe32, there is more than proven evidience of REVERSE RACISM, just take the haitian constitution....

there is another evidence that the DR, IS NOT THE SAME, anyone claimng that stupidity of DR's centering on the RACE should explain right away how Jose Francisco Penia Gomez Became the biggest popular lider of the modern dominican history, he was PURE BLACK from HATIAN PARENTS!!!

I see any one writing nonsense here that when forced to put the evidence behind their "DISPARATES" they just dissapear...
Written by: Nehesy, 3 Mar 2011 5:28 AM
From: France, London / Paris
Venganzaderafael

Yes before 1697 Ryswick Treaty, Spanish and French had many fights in La hispaniola, and De Cussy haiti governor has been killed in a battle against the Spanish

Plse read "Los Guerrilleros Negros" by Deive page 112,113

This book is a jewel of knowledge because he wrote it according to the archives

Written by: Nehesy, 3 Mar 2011 5:45 AM
From: France, London / Paris
Haitian constitution is not reverse racism, because in that constitution it was not said:

" The black man is superior to the white man", it's true that this constitution said that being Haitian was also being black, but regarding the population of that time it was also true.

Saying that Afrocentrics = Nazis, is ignorance or stupidity or both.

Nazis preached that the true superior race was the white , blond, blue eyes, anybody else was an inferior race. Their stupid ideology caused 60 millions wars in the WWII, and still now they consider French, Spanish or Italians are "inferior" races.

Nazis concentration camps were inspired by the British who started this practice in South Africa ( for me the concentration camps started in the slave gangs since Roman Times and Haiti was the biggest concentration camp in the west indies)

There is only one human race but let's be honest in this world color matters, and because some racists have stated that being white is better than..
Written by: Nehesy, 3 Mar 2011 5:58 AM
From: France, London / Paris
...Mulatto, Black, Native Indian or Aboriginals now this ignorance is spread all over the world.

Some European are taking proud in being blond with blue eyes, some African Descendants will feel better because they're light skinned.

This Indio vs Negro ideology exists in South Africa, where the oppressors taught to the Light skinned (Colored) that they are not blacks, and to the Khoisans (original inhabitants) who are also light skinned that they're not zulus or Africans : divide to rule

Hiding behind culture is lying to yourself about your roots.

Afrocentrics have some negative points but they never taught that being Black is better than being white or anybody else. Their ideology never caused a WW and they don't have scientists who work everyday to prove to the rest of the world that they represent a superior race who is above mankind.

That is the big difference between Nazis and Afrocentrics.
Written by: Nehesy, 3 Mar 2011 6:20 AM
From: France, London / Paris
Hitler is a devil in all history books because Europeans tested the pill of oppression that Native Indians, Africans, Guanches, Aboriginals, Tasmanians tested themselves.

Hitler enslaved them (Millions of forced workers in Germany : 1.5 Millions French workers) , they stole the national resources ( French was considered an agricultural colony , all the food was exported to germany when the natives were rationed like in actual cuba). French had to pay 150 millions francs by day to the germans...This was harsh colonization and I don't even talk about the humiliations ( France was the Sosua of the germans) and executions...

Nazis humiliated the french of course because of the 1919 treaty but also because they said that French was an "inferior race".

Afrocentrism may look likes a plague but Nazi supremacism is the plague of Mankind.

Written by: Nehesy, 3 Mar 2011 7:10 AM
From: France, London / Paris

@ Ignorance

Agree the supreme powers don't care about nationalism, but I think that they want us to mixed up or live together (nothing wrong on that because its' the case since antiquity) because they know that we will fight each other (Haitian vs Dominican issue exist all other the world, just lok at the South Korea vs North Korea) ==> They will continue their activities without no opposition from Mankind...
Written by: ignoranceisbliss, 3 Mar 2011 7:22 AM
From: United States
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Written by: ignoranceisbliss, 3 Mar 2011 7:27 AM
From: United States
Pepe,

people are people at the end of thw day and the reason I stayed on this site is because haitians were dehumanized by about a handful of people on this forum. Noone called the out en masse and that surprised. Notice after I came back from dr I understood the relationshop between haotians and dr better. Notice I say both side are misinformed about each other. Keep the poor masses separated and keep them focused on a boogieman while the business class rob them blind.
How can you say culture comes first? Country yes. Taking pride in something that was given and forced on you please. thats why the island is ficked up. Were still fighting because one side mimics spain and the other mimics the french. Both are stupid in my eyes
Written by: ignoranceisbliss, 3 Mar 2011 7:27 AM
From: United States
Pepe,

people are people at the end of thw day and the reason I stayed on this site is because haitians were dehumanized by about a handful of people on this forum. Noone called the out en masse and that surprised. Notice after I came back from dr I understood the relationshop between haotians and dr better. Notice I say both side are misinformed about each other. Keep the poor masses separated and keep them focused on a boogieman while the business class rob them blind.
How can you say culture comes first? Country yes. Taking pride in something that was given and forced on you please. thats why the island is ficked up. Were still fighting because one side mimics spain and the other mimics the french. Both are stupid in my eyes
Written by: ignoranceisbliss, 3 Mar 2011 7:41 AM
From: United States
Pepe,

Dessalinesused the term black for everyone regardless of color. Remwmber 1800 blacks were treated as subhumans. You made one excellent point these parasites living the high life bbq while the masses starved should be shot.
Written by: airgordo, 3 Mar 2011 11:09 AM
From: Dominican Republic
IGNORANCE and STUPIDITY is to compare TWO COUNTRIES that had always been ONE with the case of Haiti and the DR, which HAVE NEVER been anything even close, of course that when one consider from where did this thing might come then certain things can be understood. Which country had on it's constitution that the ISLAND WAS ONE AND INDIVISIBLE? that is the mentality that will ALWAYS give the dominicans reason to be Alert

Haitian Constitution does not have racism? i though that DISCRIMINATE or DENY rights like owning a piece of LAND just becasue you are not black looks exactly like RACISM, or wasn't it RACE the issue? just that is from the black to the white...Boyer aplied that to Perfection as well.

An afrocentric ignorant guy told me once, that from the black to the white there can not be racism, that it just came from the white, this is while he defended his twisted logic that his sister should not date a white guy, that is exactly what i see in many blacks, REVERSE RACISM.
Written by: Pepe32, 3 Mar 2011 11:21 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Afrocentrism may look likes a plague but Nazi supremacism is the plague of Mankind.

Same disease but with a less "efficient" virus . The genocides in Africa demonstrate that if Africa has done less it is only because of lack of power and organisation not lack of hatred for that is a worldwide disease. When sub Saharans have any power they have demonstrated that they are just as genocidal if not more than those you rightfully accuse .

You see while you criticize one side out of racial convenience (and I imagine strong bias) you minimise the same basic hatred coming from non Europeans .I on the other hand consider this to be a HUMAN phenomenon and as such am not blinded by the variance in skin tones ...evil is evil no matter what and some of the Haitian leaders where infected with such racial hatred that they would have wiped the white race off the face of the earth if the had been able to which is something I have also heard from afrocentric circles .
Written by: airgordo, 3 Mar 2011 11:22 AM
From: Dominican Republic
By the way, i though i WROTE ENGLISH, i would like that Mr.Nehesy shows me EXACTLY WHERE i said that afrocentrics were NAZIS, i don't know why you have to bring them on when NOBODY has even metion that unless you have nothing else to say of course, that i can understand.

Statement was CLEAR AND SIMPLE, i can try to explain if my english was not good enough or readable.

Coffe and Milk, are Neither coffe nor Milk, they are SOMETHING ELSE DIFFERENT, the day The Black and White RACISTS understand that very basic pinciple, then they will see why Mixed people are NOT BLACK.
Written by: Nehesy, 3 Mar 2011 1:07 PM
From: France, London / Paris
Haitian Constitution does not have racism? i though that DISCRIMINATE or DENY rights like owning a piece of LAND just becasue you are not black looks exactly like RACISM, or wasn't it RACE the issue? just that is from the black to the white...Boyer aplied that to Perfection as well.


Because the land owners were SLAVEOWNERS...They allowed many whites to stay in haiti :

laurent Dubois : "Avengers of the New World"
Written by: Nehesy, 3 Mar 2011 1:16 PM
From: France, London / Paris
Hatred exists between all groups :

Germans hate French and they showed it twice

French hate Germans

English and French hate each other

Moroccans Hate Algerians

Algerians Hate Moroccans

Ethiopians hate somalians

Koreans hate Japanese

etc, etc, etc

But in Human History ONLY Europeans spread their hatred towards other people, because of White Supremacism.

One example, Bartholomé Las Casas wrote in his 3 tomes of the History of the Indies that Conquistadores killed Tainos just for fun in order to feed their Dogs.


Now the Moors 5North Africa and Subsaharan Africa) conquered Europe until Poitiers ( Spain, Portugal, Italy) , they had power :

- Give me an instance of such cruelty

I'm not saying that Europeans are more cruel than anyone, because there is only one human race.

But European Imperialism left millions of death and several genocides : Example

- The true Tainos
- The true Tasmanians
Written by: Nehesy, 3 Mar 2011 1:28 PM
From: France, London / Paris
I will never say that a black guy could not be racist : hate white or mulattoes

Like I couldn't say that a mulattoe could not be racist : The Haitian Mulattoes conspired to kill their fathers and take their properties ( Gaspar Theodore Mollien) and they despised their black brethen

Haitians mulattoes ( Boyer) decided to conquer the DR in order to avoid another French tentaive, freed the slaves in santo domingo, unite the land (economy) in order to pay the French "debt"

"Coffe and Milk, are Neither coffe nor Milk, they are SOMETHING ELSE DIFFERENT"

Coffee and Milk = Light Coffee but without the Milk this is Dark Coffee that's it

In Haiti the Coffee and milk were oppressed like the dark skinned this is why french lost Haiti, if they had a machine to go back in 1791 they would ally themselves to the Mulattoes, give them rights.

In Europe Coffee + Milk (Light Skinned ) = Black man/Woman
Written by: Nehesy, 3 Mar 2011 1:28 PM
From: France, London / Paris
I will never say that a black guy could not be racist : hate white or mulattoes

Like I couldn't say that a mulattoe could not be racist : The Haitian Mulattoes conspired to kill their fathers and take their properties ( Gaspar Theodore Mollien) and they despised their black brethen

Haitians mulattoes ( Boyer) decided to conquer the DR in order to avoid another French tentaive, freed the slaves in santo domingo, unite the land (economy) in order to pay the French "debt"

"Coffe and Milk, are Neither coffe nor Milk, they are SOMETHING ELSE DIFFERENT"

Coffee and Milk = Light Coffee but without the Milk this is Dark Coffee that's it

In Haiti the Coffee and milk were oppressed like the dark skinned this is why french lost Haiti, if they had a machine to go back in 1791 they would ally themselves to the Mulattoes, give them rights.

In Europe Coffee + Milk (Light Skinned ) = Black man/Woman
Written by: Nehesy, 3 Mar 2011 1:36 PM
From: France, London / Paris
http://www.telemoche.fr/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/sonia-rolland.jpg

http://allainjules.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/sonia.jpg

This woman is mixed African + French , and definitely Light Skinned

Her name Sonia Rolland, she was a French Miss

When she won the price , she received thousands of letters calling her with the N... word, cause for them she is not white

In the DR she would considered white ...or India, Triguena etc

Nazis considered as a Negro ("inferior" race) , Afrocentrists would say she is one of us ( Blacks, Mulattoes belong to the African diaspora) she would not be rejected...

France is full of Mulattoes NONE of them is considered as white. You can go to the Assembly (Deputies) : No Mulattoes

Life will be hard for dreamers. Ask to the dominicans who live in switzerland, France, Spain how they are treated.

For me a mulattoe is a human being and a brother like the white , brown, ebony, chinese or whatever, except is he is a racist BUM
Written by: Nehesy, 3 Mar 2011 1:46 PM
From: France, London / Paris
The genocides in Africa , What genocide Hutu/Tutsi ???

The genocides in Africa are managed from Europe. About Rwanda the French politics are behind it they bought the machetes and trained the killers ( French secret services)


One day the French rulers of that period will be in a Tribunal, the masterpiece about what happened in Rwanda has been written by Patrick se Saint Exupery :

http://www.acontresens.com/livres/29.html

http://www.amazon.fr/Complices-lI....TF8&qid=1299174021&sr=1-4

I went many times to Africa, I was born and raised in Europe, I lived in London for many years :

I swear to GOD that Africa is more safe than Europe : less thieves, less agressions, less killing, less serial killers, less rapers ( specially child rapers), less prostitution ( Ukraine is the thailand of Europe), less drugs, MUCH MORE RESPECT, LOVE and LIFE values

Africa is FULL of EUROPEANS who dumped their country


Written by: airgordo, 4 Mar 2011 4:01 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Mr. Nehesy i don't uderstand the point on bringing racist people's opinion on qualifing a person by it's race, You mention Nazis like 200 times, then give me examples of what the europeans though or did, or what you saw in europe, it appears that you did not read my comment, and automatically apply the "one drop rule" that has NEVER existed on the DR or even in Latin America, where a Mulatto is SOMETHING ELSE, for some reason is hard to understand for non mixed from races.

GREY is color from white and black which has MANY shades, but is GREY and should be indentified as it, not becasue a white "master" though that anything that is not white is black except the chinese.

Now if someone is a MULATTO, a MESTIZO or some of that beautiful mixed combination thinks he is White or Black, then they will be in fact DENYING what they are...but i would agree in one thing, the white race has sometimes seen thet Mixed as even worse than Black, sort of like someone whithout identity.
Written by: airgordo, 4 Mar 2011 4:07 AM
From: Dominican Republic
I have experienced myself reverse racism and is even more idiotic and stupid than the original one, i have been told point blank that dominicans are racist, which knowning the real racism is NOT true...i gave a homework to the one that told me that, since according to him we were KKK, i challenged him to explain me the cases of Jose Francisco Penia Gomez and the Case of Ulises Heraux, BOTH PURE BLACK african Blood and HAITIANS DECENDANT that were LOVED in titanic Proportions, NEVER EVER REACHED by a White or a Mixed, specially Penia Gomez...

so HOW can that happen on a RACIST country? i asked...
Written by: Pepe32, 4 Mar 2011 11:00 AM
From: Dominican Republic
"The genocides in Africa are managed from Europe"

I'm sorry ,I forgot Africans cannot be responsible for their own actions... that would make them ADULTS. You know a person like you is in clear denial and the Africans and their brethren in the diaspora always blame all their problems on others . Those who don't face their own deficiencies will never correct them and your "utopian " view of Africans and the continent is worthy of the Alice in Wonderland award since to you all the war and conflict ,rape and aids in Africa is due to the Europeans and at the same time violence in places like South Africa is one of the highest in the world and it isn't exactly the Europeans committing the crimes!
Written by: riosm, 4 Mar 2011 1:03 PM
From: United States
Pepe32,

Thanks for shedding light to those in darkness.

PROOF......personal responsibility out the window.

WOW ! a new DT record posting......and counting.
Written by: williom, 4 Mar 2011 5:33 PM
From: United States

@Pepe
+1

I started to follow Nehesy's interesting posts. Then, s/he totally lost me on that last post above. I wonder what s/he would come up with about the Uganda Anti-Homosexuality bill:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uganda_Anti-Homosexuality_Bill
Written by: NegMorne, 11 Mar 2011 6:08 AM
From: Canada
ignoranceisbliss,

You quoted :"Were still fighting because one side mimics spain and the other mimics the french. Both are stupid in my eyes"
I just wanted to state one thing. Haitians do not mimic the French.
Haitians do not even have the time to fight the DR anymore. (Unifying the island is such a long time ago.)
We Haitians cannot mimic the French because we do not even speak French.
As corrupted as it could seem, The Haitian Government has settled the DR issue a long time ago, when it decided to respect its sovereignty on January 20, 1875. After that the Haitian Government never cared about bringing its army to the east anymore.

In the contrary, it has been more cases when Trujillo, Joaquín Balaguer etc that grew the Haitian animosity, in their country towards us. They promoted crimes of Hate against Haitians.
Once again, the Haitian Government has always done little to react.



Written by: NegMorne, 11 Mar 2011 6:09 AM
From: Canada
People in this site like to talk about how racist Haitians are on basing themselves on an outdated constitution. (the constitution of 1805). Now the constitution of 1987 is the current one and it obviously says nothing against white people and land etc.

They like to say how Haitians do not like Mulatos etc. when the man who successfully invaded their country is a mulato himself.


If you go to Haitian forum websites, there will NEVER be a "DR" topic. So that Haitians can express their hate on Dominicans (the way they express hate towards us) because they have better things to talk about. If some Haitians might express hate towards Dominicans, it might probably be because of this site...lol

This site opened my eyes to a hate that I never knew existed in the DR. . And I do my best not to fall in their game. I do not want to generalise all Dominicans and think that they are all racist, and ignorant.
Written by: NegMorne, 11 Mar 2011 6:19 AM
From: Canada
Anyways, with such hate, I am very scared for the people of Haiti if this fusion occurs. If this fusion occurs, It will be the first and official invasion of the DR in Haiti. I guess Karma will then take place. And then, hate crimes towards Haitians will cross the border, towards the west. I think that it will be the end of the existence of Haiti.
The hate expressed towards Haitian is like a monologue on this site because there is not enough Haitians that have the time to talk about such issues and get the facts str8..
that is why i will not even try to come back here and try to defend points while the monologue continues...
Im out
Written by: ignoranceisbliss, 11 Mar 2011 6:45 AM
From: United States
Negmorne
Im haitian. The higher you go up the income bracket the more we try to speak perfect french. Dont let this forum fool you go to dr and see for yourself. Dont sink to these 10 fools level.
Written by: airgordo, 12 Mar 2011 3:27 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Mr. NegMorne, could you please post here which is the comment that you consider to be Hateful towards your people??? or even, could you explain how being as hateful as you said that we are, there is more than one million of your fellow countryman on this side??? i guess that you would consider americans that want to deport illegal haitians hateful as well
Written by: riosm, 12 Mar 2011 11:08 AM
From: United States
NegMorne,

I got a great idea.....since Canadians are such loving caring peaceful people why not just give all the Haitians free entry Visas to Canada where they'll be provided free health care etc..etc.. heck we'll even add Sean Penn as a bonus.

Just think......with all those millions of aches of wonderful pine tree forest think of the charcoal that could be made [hands off the maple trees] guaranteed employment for at least 100 years, while Haiti could reforest.

I'm Dominican and don't hate Haitians I'm sure I speak for many Dominicans....we do wish the best for Haiti, you see It's not that easy......Haitians must re-build Haiti.

Not to worry I still like the rock band RUSH.
Written by: guillermone, 13 Mar 2011 1:30 AM
From: United States
Negmore-You seem to lack or have low English skills. Perhaps you should go back to school and brush up to improve your reading comprehension, because apparently the subject completely went over your head. You totally missed the point and went to another unrelated issue that had nothing to do with what we are attempting to convey.

Before you jump into any conclusions about a supposed hatred against Haitians in the DR, please carefully review all of the comments and posts throughout this forum and hopefully you will see for yourself and understand that it is next to impossible for over one millions plus Haitians to cross over to live, work, get free health care and basic education in a country that you say hates them. Haitians do not belong in our territory and break the law as undocumented aliens, illegally chop down our trees to make charcoal and commit petty crimes, yet some how managed to roam freely and live a relatively normal, good and decent quality of life. Is that Hate?
Written by: venganzaderafael, 13 Mar 2011 3:04 AM
From: United States
By the way if these refugees are allowed to roam the country, how do we know they are not burning our virgin forests? If they don't have an address they need to be relocated to a supervised refugee camp funded by the geneRous with our resources international community.
Written by: guillermone, 14 Mar 2011 12:41 AM
From: United States
Great idea venganzaderafael-In fact when the first wave of Cuban refugees arrived during the Mariel boat lift, this is precisely what was done. The US gov't gathered and rounded them all up in refugee camps and immediately screened and interviewed refugees to detemined if deemed admissible to remain.

In other words there is a well organized system in place which allows greater control and eliminates chaos. This is precisely how it is done all over the world when an en-masse group of people attempt to excape political, social and armed conflict, violence, persecution, human rights violations and flee often into the nearest neighboring country.

Unfortunately Haitians are economic refugees, a check and review process does not apply because they lack a "well-founded fear" for their safety, security and well being. They only fear the feelings of an empty stomach and not knowning where the next meal is coming from. But that by itself does not qualify them for refugee status.


Written by: venganzaderafael, 14 Mar 2011 2:02 AM
From: United States
The earthquake qualifies them as refugees from natural disaster. They should not be allowed to roam freely without documentation period. No country in the world would allow this chaotic massive migration to occur. As I stated if they are not here with a residence they need to be rounded up and relocated to a camp supervised by international agencies. Let the international community step up and put some of their promised funds to good use.

Written by: venganzaderafael, 14 Mar 2011 12:05 PM
From: United States
If thoughts to unite DR and Haiti are going to be entertained by the international community I have a suggestion. Let us unite PR, DR, Haiti and Cuba into one powerful self sufficient nation. Had the US not interfered in Cuba's and Boriken's (sic) affairs the natural tendency would have been union of Spain's Caribbean empire.

Combining all our natural resources we would not lack for anything. So what do you think ? Give us PR and Cuba and we'll gladly take over Haiti. We could all be " Gran Antillanos".
Written by: guillermone, 14 Mar 2011 12:14 PM
From: United States
sounds good to me venganza..............

But you know that is precisely what the US wants to avoid, the unification of Spanish America. La Gran Colombia never reached fruition, because it was easier to keep them apart, separated to enable control and the ability to influence a bunch of little corrupt banana republics, instead of one big hugh, well organized powerful Latin nation.

Why is corruption allowed to propagate in Latin Ame? If is good for the US to support corrupt officials, let them stay in power as longs as they support American interests abroad. Only when it is best for the US and not for the people do they ever talk about a unification. In the case of Haiti, the unification topic comes up only because it will finally get rid of that pesky Haitian head ache, once and for all.
Written by: Nehesy, 21 Apr 2011 5:45 AM
From: France, London / Paris
@ Pepe 32

1. You think that you're educated and you're not
2. You're racist

Hispaniola was conquered because spanish took advantage of the native indians internal troubles...like in Africa

The Big powers rule the world , they're responsible of what is happening in Palestine, Irak , Africa just to give 3 examples :

> Palestine, the "Arabs" ( in fact original jews who accepted islam see the scholar Shlomo Sand) were kicked out of their land and treated like beats ==> Decided in Europe

> Irak, some liars said that weapons of mass destruction were produced ==> They invaded this country, stole the oil, proceeded to a genocide ==> Decided in Europe and US, saddam was their man they hanged him like a dog

> Africa, is the richest continent on earth BUT Europeans put some Traitors on power to STEAL and ROB us, if you resist them they create trouble in your country ( Actuality)

Africa will be free when when we'll be free from neocolonialism UNCLE TOM.
Written by: Pepe32, 26 Apr 2011 8:51 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Nehesy,when people such as you cannot argue you pull out the race card although it is obvious that it is you and others like you who view the world through race based prisms .

As far as intelligence ,it is you who wikepedia (or blackepedia) and google this site to death with your afrocentric nonsense but as is typical your "arguments" cannot withstand good old common sense.

I believe in all sort of mixes throughout the planet but you mon piti are stuck on blackness and see white demons where others see black ones. Whenever your credibility is destroyed (crime in South Africa) you change the subject or pull your cowardly race card when you and those like you are of the same mentality as the white racists.

Africa has been around for eons and outside of the ARAB influenced North not much has come out of there while the Europeans are a newer group.Africans could have developed and conquered Europe but thousands of years head start did not help...
blame Europe all you want, you r
Written by: Pepe32, 26 Apr 2011 8:52 PM
From: Dominican Republic
you racist...
Written by: Nehesy, 4 May 2011 11:27 AM
From: France, London / Paris
I never insulted anybody on my all life based on his/her color skin. But if he is a moron I'll tell him whatever his background. YOU DID IT HERE on this website : insult people based on their color (Haitians). I don't need any lesson from you racist self hating uncle tom

And you won't find anything I posted here on wikipedia , cause I read books (not like you)

You're one of these racist morons who think that Africa has no history but we do : Kerma ,Ghana , Kanem and Bornu, Zimbabwe, Timbouctoo, Djenne and the biggest of that EGYPT. The last results from 18th dynasty DNA testing showed that Akhenaton was black.

Check the study of Dr Philippe Charlier, ancient Egyptians were blacks this is why they called their land : KEMET = Black Land

My great great grandfather is french, my background is : Wolof/Fulani/Nzema/Berber/ French so I can't be racist , I'M MIXED myself without mixing I won't exist.

You're racism/hatred will destroy you Uncle tom

Written by: Nehesy, 4 May 2011 11:48 AM
From: France, London / Paris
@ Williom

Homosexuality is not seen as vertuous in Africa that's it. Like in China, Russia, Italy or France

Same sex marriages will never be accepted in these countries and let's be honest it's mainly because of religion values ( forbidden in all monotheists religions)
Written by: Nehesy, 4 May 2011 11:59 AM
From: France, London / Paris
Here is two jewels found here written by the "non racist" Pepe 32 :

> "So we have a disaster called Haiti with mostly pure blooded West Africans and we have Dominican Republic with a mostly mixed population and the results are???"

> "but they are mainly a PURE west African nation growing like a cancerous spore in the Caribbean."

.....No comment
Written by: Pepe32, 6 May 2011 11:57 AM
From: Dominican Republic
My great great grandfather is french, my background is : Wolof/Fulani/Nzema/Berber/ French so I can't be racist , I'M MIXED myself without mixing I won't exist.

You're racism/hatred will destroy you Uncle tom

Acording to the "illustrious" nehesy mixed people cannot be racist .....so I guess all those attacks on most Dominicans don't apply??
Written by: Pepe32, 6 May 2011 12:03 PM
From: Dominican Republic
I never insulted anybody on my all life based on his/her color skin. But if he is a moron I'll tell him whatever his background. YOU DID IT HERE on this website : insult people based on their color (Haitians). I don't need any lesson from you racist self hating uncle tom


LOL calling a white person an uncle tom and attacking Europe and Europeans is not racist according to Nehesy.... Of course it is that idiotic "concept" held by afronazis that THEY cannot be racists no matter how many times they say CRACKER,HONKEY and other denigrating terms not to mention blaming Europe for all the worlds ills even when these hypocritical imbeciles all want to live in "white" nations. ...yes sir ,you are a hateful racist and the sooner you realise it the better.

Now as far as Haitians ,if you were more intelligent you would know that the main problem we have with Haitians has nothing to do with RACE ,instead it is cultural but racists like you base everything on race so culture is unimportant
Written by: Nehesy, 6 May 2011 12:06 PM
From: France, London / Paris
Never used these words...please show me if I did ( Cracker or anything else)...Racist DONKEY

I attacked European POLICY and GENOCIDES against the rest of the world, I never attacked somebody according to his color...YOU DID IT...Racist DONKEY... HI HAN !!! mouarf
Written by: Pepe32, 6 May 2011 12:08 PM
From: Dominican Republic
to people like you.


Here is two jewels found here written by the "non racist" Pepe 32 :

> "So we have a disaster called Haiti with mostly pure blooded West Africans and we have Dominican Republic with a mostly mixed population and the results are???"

You didn't answer...

> "but they are mainly a PURE west African nation growing like a cancerous spore in the Caribbean."

Again ,the problem is of a BACKWARDS culture not a race and as long as that "culture" is dominant these problems will occur. I know it pains you to know deep in your heart that this is true but it is better to face reality and understand that ANYBODY of ANY RACE can progress given the correct CULTURAL attitudes ... but again racists like you wouldn't understand.

Written by: Nehesy, 6 May 2011 1:12 PM
From: France, London / Paris
"BACKWARDS culture " !!!!!!!!!!

........Racista de Mierda....

Written by: Nehesy, 6 May 2011 1:15 PM
From: France, London / Paris
.......
Written by: Pepe32, 7 May 2011 10:30 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Idiot,amswer me this ,if a person regardless of RACE and with the right CULTURAL knowledge can progress how is it RACIST??

On the contrary ,it is you who base EVERYTHING on RACE especially your hatred of "whites" so please spare me your idiocy..
Written by: riosm, 7 May 2011 11:51 PM
From: United States
Nehesy,

You stated some posts back that Egyptians were black.....O.K then they enslaved the Jewish people held them in bondage and benefited in the building of the pyramids etc..etc..with free forced slave labor.

So, gee......Blacks were not the first slaves historically, it would be safe to say this bit of info. should be mentioned in Black history to include African tribes who captured other African tribes who then sold them to the Spanish via the "N" river who brought them to the U.S.

Imagine that the Native American's fought the U.S Gov. for their freedom, those Natives who did survived or comply to the U.S Gov. then would later be forced into reservations to become the first U.S welfare system of total dependency / a forced system for survival / early U.S socialism.


Written by: guillermone, 9 May 2011 12:39 AM
From: United States
mrios that was EXCELLENT !!!!!!!!!
Written by: venganzaderafael, 9 May 2011 3:09 AM
From: United States
Guys, can we end this? The bottom line is Dominicans do not want union, self respecting Haitians do not want union. The notion of this imbecile professor that the only way to stop illegal Haitian immigration is to unite is a contradiction in terms. Union will just bring more destitute Haitians over to " greener pastures ", with no intention of returning.

And I can think of several ways to stop and reverse illegal Haitian immigration.
Now let's get on to another topic; just to read the last comment takes me like half an hour not to
mention the continued discussion under this subject matter lends credibility to this asinine idea.
Written by: riosm, 9 May 2011 11:17 AM
From: United States
Guillermone,

Why thank you nothing like a little taste of reality , good thing I did not bring up what the Frenchies did in Haiti and around the world.

Venganzaderael,

I hope this ends it.

Your right we don't want to unite as one Nation, we have our own corruption. Those self respecting Haitians [ruling class] like things just the way they are as long as they keep benefiting from Haiti's misery the easy way.

Besides it's better / easier to just point fingers and shift blame on others and their history as an excuse to do nothing.

Good thing they have Sean Penn [great white hope] to the rescue, sad but I'll give'um one more year if he hasn't already realized it for himself Haiti is a lost cause.

At least he's getting world PR, the trick is getting the rest of the so called Hollywood stars to follow suit.....good luck, which reminds me.....

"Money is power, power corrupts, total power self destructs".

ALL take care




Written by: guillermone, 9 May 2011 10:23 PM
From: United States
A quote from poster French Dominican:

The pyramids were not built by slaves, that is a common misconception they were built by compensated workers.

The first people to walk earth and populate it were likely according to science darker skinned curlier haired people. The practice of slavery existed before the Egyptians, so using them as proof that blacks were not the first slaves is silly. However it is rather unimportant which so called race was enslaved first, every "race" enslaved members of their own "race"

Written by: Nehesy, 22 May 2011 8:52 AM
From: France, London / Paris
Slave,Sclavus, Servus,Schiavo,Saqaliba,Esclave,Sclau = white men from eastern europe

Negro = Nègre = Nigg@ appeared in the 16-17 th century. The whites were the first slaves of history...For that you need to STUDY, not guessing according to a biaised story...

Europeans formed the bulk of slaves until the 15th when the Turks blocked the route for Eastern Europe (slave markets). This is why Colombus was looking for another route to reach India...

Fritz Sauckel enslaved 8 millions of Europeans during the WWII, he was called " le négrier de l'europe" or "Slave trader of Europe". They were FORCED to work in nazis war industry et were freed only in 1945 by the US Soldiers and Russians.

The last slaves of the 20 th were also whites, a little biography to mitigate your ignorance :

- José Antonio Saco
- Moses Finley
- William D Philips
- Charles Verlinden
- Pierre Dockès
- Marc Bloch
- George Duby
- Evariste Levi Provencal

pepe32

Eres siempre un racista de mierda..
Written by: Nehesy, 22 May 2011 9:09 AM
From: France, London / Paris
@ Guillermone

Part 1

You contradicted yourself in your own post

- Egypt was the first civilization of this earth and they didn't use slaves to build their pyramids ( Henri Pirenne, Bernadette Menu), scholars like Champollion and Sir Flinders Petrie said that they were blacks, the last DNA studies prooved that Akhenaton and Toutankhamon were blacks...

- Now you're saying that it's not a proove that the blacks were not the 1st slaves when slavery didn't exist in the 1st and biggest civilization of this earth : where is your logic ??

- In Sumer which some liars would like to make the 1st civilization, slaves were also whites and called SARKU according to the color of their skin ( Henry Rawlinson, George Smith...)

In Egypt the MAJORITY of the captives were whites : Henri Pirenne, Ian Shaw & Paul Nicholson

In Sumer the slaves were whites : Sir Henry Rawlinson , George Smith

In Greek and Rome : 99,9% of the slaves were whites see Henri Alexandre Wallon , Moses Finley
Written by: Nehesy, 22 May 2011 9:17 AM
From: France, London / Paris
Part 2

In Muslim Spain, the MAJORITY of slaves were europeans called saqalibas ( = sclau in Catalan or Slave a man from eastern europe) and prepared as Eunuchs in France (Verdun) and sold by RADHANITES merchants : Evariste Levi Provencal , Charles Verlinden , José Antonio Saco, William D Philips

In the Middle Ages , millions of slaves (inhabitants of Eastern Europe / Caucasian region near russia : Slavic, Tartars, Circassians) and from the mediterranean (Sardinia, Greece) were sold in Italia / Spain / Portugal : Jacques Heers, Charles Verlinden

When the atlantic slave trade began , the first slaves deported in la hispaniola and PR were whites, and Colombus emptied out the jails of spain in AYITI : see José Antonio Saco (Historia de la esclaitud de la raza negra...with cedulas of that time) or Carlos Esteban Deive

Even in the English west indies and the US the first slaves were whites called Indentured servants : Richard Brandon Morris, Abbott Emerson Smith,

Written by: Nehesy, 22 May 2011 9:20 AM
From: France, London / Paris
Part 3

See also Don Jordan & Walsh for Indentured Servants...

When I say that whites have been the standard benchmark for slavery from antiquity to the 18th century it's only truth that you can find if you STUDY the subject...
Written by: Nehesy, 22 May 2011 9:39 AM
From: France, London / Paris
Riosm

European slave traders lied about africa ( they were selling each other)...If so how do we explain that african kings, queens, chiefs, princes were also sold as slaves in the new world ?

Fomenting wars between factions ( giving guns & powder to their allies), kidnapping ( English Slaver Hawkins kidnapped hundreds of slaves in West africa and sold them to Santo Domingo), and they were directly in Africa to handle this business : Pombeiros, Tangomaos, Lançados

They divided africans in order to enslave them like they did in La Hispaniola ( Tainos salves sold in Spain, Portugal, Africa...), South America / AMerica


Sometimes they used african rogues, vagabonds gave them a title of king and organized slave raiding with them like the Portuguese and the JAGAS in Congo. When they resisted they were sold in slavery, like the JAGAS who were destroyed and sold to slavery in Brazil

See :

José Antonio Saco
Carlos Esteban Deive
Allan Gallay
Barbara Olexer
Written by: Nehesy, 22 May 2011 9:47 AM
From: France, London / Paris
The majority of the slave traders in africa were europeans or their mulattoes sons : William Ormond, John Ormond, Faber, Gomez, Lightburn etc

” …Some slaves were stolen by Europeans ‘panyared’- as the english word for Espanola (Spain/portugal) was pronounced – and some as ocurred often in Angola, were the victims of military campaigns mounted specifically by portuguese proconsuls in order to capture slaves…” see Hugh Thomas, The slave trade (1997) , page 792.

“Spanish records report that in mid-july, ‘English corsairs’ waylaid and captured the Portuguese slaver Sao Joao Bautista. She had below decks some 370 Angolans, who had been taken prisoner during Portugal’s bloody war of conquest in Luanda” See Don Jordan and Michael Walsh , White Cargo (2008), Page 87.


ANGOLA = CONGO , and Carlos Andujar said in his book "La presencia Negra en SD" talking about Santo Domingo : "..Entre 1591 y 1821...los negros llegados a la isla ...pertenecientes a la region del congo y Angola..."
Written by: Nehesy, 22 May 2011 10:01 AM
From: France, London / Paris
EDUCATION IS THE ONLY WEAPON AGAINST RACISM / HATRED / IGNORANCE

What Europeans did in Africa, The Canary Islands, Australia, Tasmania, India, Java, Hispaniola, Jamaica, Cuba, Puerto Rico, North/Central/South America is GENOCIDE. This is the only thing that is need to be understood...

But history taught us that they did in their own continent before they spread it world wide, the scholars Pierre Bonassie/ Pierre Dockes/ Wallon/ Finley etc has prooven that slaves in europe were procured through Tribal wars,and they transferred this lie towards Africans or Indians. Or by saying that they were bloodthirsty or cannibals ( caribs...) ONLY to justify their crimes...

Written by: tartesos, 27 May 2011 1:21 PM
From: United States
I dont get the Haitians position here.
If you want to accuse Dominicans of racist, nationalists or worst, for not wanting our beautiful and fought and won with blood country, not just with Haiti or any other country in the world, then so be it!!
And shame on all of you for wanting it!!
And you can all kiss my black Dominican ass!!!
Dominican republic libre e independiente o que se hunda la isla!!!!
F$@& everyone who thinks or believe otherwise.
Written by: eLGeNeRaLiSsImO, 3 Sep 2011 11:24 AM
From: United States
Now the people want the only man that gave a solution to this haitian problem...TRUJILLO..

If that fusion happens than the machetes are going to be on every Dominicans hand..
Written by: Nehesy, 5 Sep 2011 5:54 AM
From: France, London / Paris
El Generalissimo

You're the General of clowns !!!! jajajaja

Plus Trujillo himself was part Haitian , what do you say about that ?
Written by: eLGeNeRaLiSsImO, 5 Sep 2011 6:35 AM
From: United States
He was part haitian, so what look at hitler what he did to the jews and he had jew in him too...everything the founding fathers did for the republic will be for nothing if this happens......remember buddybefore the french got in the picture.....on that, islands it was indian african and spanish......the french came and made that horrible mix of african indian and french..a haitin lollol......

Y ou people are the second mix the left over, you even have the worse half of the island....forget thefusion, call on your hoe mother france to helpyou.....to put your damn country on welfaresince you animals cant doit on your own........take my word for it, fusion happens and there willbe a parsley part two and this time by the people...........viva trujillo coño
Written by: Nehesy, 5 Sep 2011 10:06 AM
From: France, London / Paris
jajaja I'm not Haitian man. So if you do the fusion or not====> I REALLY DON'T CARE..

But did you really had a real fight in you real life (not in computer games)? Do you know how to use a machette ?

Buddy speaking about something you don't know has no sense , specially when you live in somebody's else country...lol

Calling to crimes is an act of felony , you know that right ?

Plus Trujillo was a traitor who helped the american invasion of the DR. He was Uncles Sam's man and they rid off him when his timed was over.

Good luck ! If the supreme powers want it, it will happen. Europe is like a ALL unique government now and Europeans had not the means to avoid it.

How LF aka Ladron First will do something about it ? Sweat dreams bro !
Written by: eLGeNeRaLiSsImO, 5 Sep 2011 11:20 AM
From: United States
Don't comment on what you don't care at about you bum
Written by: eLGeNeRaLiSsImO, 5 Sep 2011 11:20 AM
From: United States
Don't comment on what you don't care at about you bum
Written by: Nehesy, 5 Sep 2011 11:37 AM
From: France, London / Paris
The fake General

The only thing you will kill with a machete is a chicken , then you'll eat your arroz con pollo.

Please continue killing people in computer games lol in somebody's else country.

The only Bum I see in this thread is somebody who calls to kill people with machete. You're only one of those internet cowards...
Written by: mister809himself, 8 Apr 2012 10:26 PM
From: United States
typical Haitian cowards
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