Santo Domingo. - Haiti isn’t a time bomb for the Dominican Republic and quite the contrary, its numerous problems are an opportunity for the latter’s development, affirmed four panelists who took part in a Tuesday night conference on the neighboring nation’s situation, hosted by newspaper El Dia.
The historian Bernardo Vega, the sociologist Wilfredo Lozano, Immigration director Sigfrido Pared and Haiti National Foreign Affairs minister Edwin Paraison agreed that last year’s earthquake proved that both countries can adopt favorable measures that guarantee their interests and common development,.
Common strategy
They also agreed that both countries need to apply a common strategy that leads to the development of policies which improve aspects such as immigration and border security.
Among the strategies Vega, Lozano, Pared and Paraison also recommended figure policies that improve the quality of life for citizens in both countries. They noted that Haitian migration towards Dominican Republic would be reduced if their living conditions improve.
Vega and Lozano said the Dominican Government’s lack of political will, and a lack of consensus has prevented the enforcement of the Migration Law and the completion of its regulatory framework. They said the country’s institutional weakness is one of the main limitations that prevent that mechanism’s implementation.
The panel
The conference “Haiti, time bomb?” is the second hosted by newspaper El Dia, and moderated by its Editor in Chief, Rafael Molina Morillo.
From: Dominican Republic, Santiago de los 30 Caballeros
Please forgive me, but I have to say it: what a load of crap.
From: Dominican Republic, Santiago
Suavecito, I agree. WHAT A LOAD OF CRAP. Haiti is a mess, has always been a mess and is doomed. Haiti can only burden DR more and cause more problems, as it already has. Enforce the borders, keep them in Haiti and SEND THOSE ILLEGALS BACK. Haiti has had more opportunity than any other country in the Americas. Why is it still BACKWARD?
Written by: Atabey, 2 Mar 2011 9:45 AM
From: United States, NYC
I wonder how much each was paid to endorse the schemes? Of course, to do academic research. LOL Did these guys produce any real analysis for publication and Peer review?
Another interesting note: Why aren't these complete musings posted on the internet for all to see? I would think with so many easy ways to post articles and discussions on line that these writings could be available rather rapidly to the Dominican people. Why not publish them?
Another point:
Why wasn't the opposite position taken by one or two of the panelists? Two panelists for the proposition and two against. How difficult could that be? It's an open debate or a canned exercise to appear that information is taking place? Debates over crucial issues need different perspectives to be aired out, why only allow the PC version to have voice? Why not publish them?
Written by: Atabey, 2 Mar 2011 9:59 AM
From: United States, NYC
The Title of this DT news item is misleading.
Haitianos crean daño económico
Dijo que esos extranjeros retienen alza salarios
Escrito por: Senabri Silvestre
Compartir:
Santo Domingo.-El economista e historiador Bernardo Vega manifestó que el único daño que causa la presencia haitiana en el país es “plenamente económico”, ya que retrasa la transformación de la economía, mantiene esquemas de producción que deberían irse sustituyendo progresivamente y retiene el crecimiento de los salarios reales.
Argumentó que cuando existe una masa de mano de obra que puede trabajar “por lo que sea” no permite que los salarios aumenten, lo cual, reiteró, empeora la distribución del ingreso.
“Ese para mí es el argumento publico que se puede tener sobre ese tema, dijo Vega al exponer en la presentación de un coloquio realizado por EL DÍA, bajo el título “Haití: ¿bomba de tiempo?”, cuya apertura estuvo a cargo del director de este diario, Rafael Molina Morillo.
Written by: Atabey, 2 Mar 2011 10:00 AM
From: United States, NYC
En la actividad también intervino el sociólogo Wilfredo Lozano, el ministro haitiano para Asuntos de Nacionales en el Exterior, Edwin Paraison y el director de Migración, Almirante Sigfrido Pared Pérez.
Política de migración
Bernardo Vega criticó que en el país no se ha querido definir una política de migración, porque la nación y los políticos están divididos. “Cómo nación no sabemos lo que queremos. Porque cada quién dice una cosa”, indicó.
Recordó que después de la tiranía de Rafael Leonidas Trujillo, la primera vez que se habló de una Ley de Migración fue en el primer gobierno de Leonel Fernández, en 1996, y luego la Ley fue impulsada por cuatro años en el Congreso durante la administración del expresidente Hipólito Mejía.
Añadió que esa Ley fue aprobada en el año 2004 y a partir de esa fecha se estableció un período de siete meses para que se aprobara su reglamento.
“Sin embargo, estamos en 2011 y aún no tenemos ese reglamento”.
Written by: Atabey, 2 Mar 2011 10:02 AM
From: United States, NYC
Problemas de repatriación
Bernardo Vega destacó que el país nunca ha aprendido cómo deportar a los haitianos en forma civilizada, “porque no existe ningún entrenamiento para eso”.
Planteó que la Dirección General de Migración es la institución que por Ley debe llevar a cabo esa política, pero tiene muy poco presupuesto y personal no especializado para esos fines.
“Quienes físicamente hacen esa labor de repatriación son los militares y en ninguna parte dice que las Fuerzas Armadas es la encargada de manejar ese proceso y tampoco los entrenan para eso”, aclaró.
Destacó que la migración haitiana aumentó hacia el país en el año 1986, al caer la dictadura haitiana de Jean Claude Duvalier, y en ese momento es cuándo surge el uso de la mano de obra haitiana, además del corte de caña, en la producción de café, cacao, tabaco, y turismo.
Written by: generoso, 2 Mar 2011 10:07 AM
From: United States, Quisqueya
Experts in what? Vega is a historian, Lozano is a sociologist, Paraison is a Haitian diplomat and lobbyist,
and retired Admiral and current director of immigration Sigfrido Pared, mostly stayed out of most controversial pronouncements that Lozano and Vega made.
These are not Dominican businessmen or political experts per se, and the headline, labeling them "experts", is grandiose and grossly exaggerated, with the exception of the director of immigration, who was outnumbered by the other three.
Written by: generoso, 2 Mar 2011 10:10 AM
From: United States, Quisqueya
Atabey:
Thanks for the clarification, the original article in Spanish is WAY different than the version we read.
I knew that there had to be something wrong here.
Written by: Atabey, 2 Mar 2011 10:25 AM
From: United States, NYC
The funny thing is how the news states the problems as; it's "only" economic LOL
So I guess the education, healthcare, and housing needs are well addressed by the migrants!!
Qué tonterías!
In all REAL DEBATES you have two opposing sides battling each others points. Here we had four people supporting the same line!! What non-sense is this.
From: United States
Sounds bad, but those problems that haiti have will make dr rich...haiti its about to get billions of development...dr company,empresas,are waiting to taste the pie! This will make dr a ritcher, more develope country. Now you understant miguel vargas and leonel agreement! viene mucho dinero para dr.
Written by: Yucahu, 2 Mar 2011 11:15 AM
From: United States, Miami
It's true Haiti is an opportunity, but only if the HAITIANS STAY IN HAITI!!! IF they stay in Haiti side the Dominican businessmen and all them other greedy capitalists will do their thing and invest in that country. Regular businessmen will also invest but the VICINI and other ppl, Avelino Abreu and Pimentel, Troncoso's, De La Concha's. They will go and take over. Listen you rich Haitians, if you didn't like Dominicans before wait until these WHITE, ELITIST SCUM arrive and take over your country!!!! You'll be LOVING that border then kids! Toodles....
Written by: martin, 2 Mar 2011 11:42 AM
From: United States, boston to S.P.M 23
The best way Haitians could help us Is stayin n Haiti
From: United States
@ "jarabacoa" :
Dude,seriously...How old are you?
You sound like you have the mind of a 5 year old with down syndrome.
Do you even care about what's happening in Haiti?
Where's your pride,shame and concern?
From: United States
what ?
Are these people crazy ?
From: United States
@ etiecnnc01
They're just 'playing" stupid.
This people are so full of themselves that they believe that there is not a single Dominican smart enough to see through their bull...!
Their condescending ways will be their downfall,the citizens of Quisqueya are getting to the boiling point!
Written by: Espada, 2 Mar 2011 12:55 PM
From: Dominican Republic
What a blatant bunch of lies, if Haitians are such a great "opportunity" for us, how come they don't have any opportunity in their own country?
That's right, because they ruined their own country.
And now they want to do the same thing to ours.
From: United States, Brooklyn
I agree with the sentiments above, It's a load of Horse Crap!
From: United States
1) Haiti is in very bad conditions and the Haitian Government and (whomever its next President is) has to make some big steps very fast. The Dominican Republic is not responsible for Haiti, but it does have to act responsibly towards the massive Haitian population that it has negligently allowed come in to fuel its high profit Sugar industry.
2) The Dominican Government HAS to get away from corruption and implement a CONSISTENT border control law, policy, plan and objective. Randomly rounding up Haitians in the back of trucks every 4 weeks is nothing but an act aimed to appease a very frustrated public. And their lack of process further provokes examinations by the International Community.
3) Haitians have to make more of an effort to be as harmless, peaceful and 'invisible' as possible, because the bad acts of a few give all of them a bad name in a place they were never really welcomed to begin with.
4) People need to show respect and not think they are better than anybody else
From: Dominican Republic, Santiago
The only thing Haiti can do for DR is to bring DR down. Haitians defy progress and as a race seem incapable of assimilating the basics. They live and breed like stray cats. It is all crap. Haiti is a lost cause. No other country in the Americas has received more assistance than Haiti. All types of volunteers for 50 years. All types of loans. All types of instructions and look at the evidence. It is a nation of backward creatures. All crap. No benefit whatsoever can come from DR aligning with Haiti. They destroyeed their country and want to destroy ours. I see them every day. It is pathetic. Send them all back FAST
From: United States
@Carmen - It would be much easier for you to just say, 'I don't like Haitians'. Your comments are ALWAYS full of ignorant and biased remarks against Haitians. I'm almost disappointed that you didn't give us your signature catch phrase: "SEND THEM BACK!" or the more complex, "SEND THEM BACK FAST!".
It amazes me that in all your many years of experience, you have yet to deduce that negativity and hate only produce more destruction. I shudder to think what society will be like in 20 years when our elders and older ones themselves are embracing negativity, bias and prejudice. What will they be teaching the next generation - hate?? I certainly hope and pray that is not the case.
Written by: Pepe32, 2 Mar 2011 9:09 PM
From: Dominican Republic
I'm sure Chamberlain said the same thing before WWII
No threat here...
The annexation of Austria was peaceful
The Sudentenland didn't mean anything
Just because they are massing at the border doesn't mean they are invading!!!
BJP while you are telling Carmen what she should say why don't you say what frickin country you are supposedly from ...
From: Haiti
Stop fighting and start thinking.
Sweet Mickey does not have a "formal" education but he has managed to cash in on his passions, music, recording etc. He did not waste the money that he made but invested his money in the phone card market in South Florida, New York, and Boston - the Sweet Mickey Cards. Today he is a multi multi millionaire and everyone I know, buy his cards because they just have to call a local number and order minutes via their credit card. None of the other candidates are self- made. We need a common sense President. I'm for Sweet Mickey!
Bernard, it seems that Carmen has gotten under your skin again. She has never been to Haiti to see how many Dominicans like hanging around Haiti. We have Dominicans in businesses of all kinds and we have Dominicans who work for Haitians there. I was shocked before the earthquake when I visited the jail in Haiti with a lawyer friend and he was defending several Dominicans who were in the jail for months.
From: Haiti
There are Haitians in the DR and Dominicans in Haiti. This will never change. Didn't someone used to say that we are conjoined twins? Well, maybe I wouldn't take it that far but we are close.
Written by: martin, 2 Mar 2011 11:48 PM
From: United States, boston to S.P.M 23
what fukin conjoined twins u talking about
Written by: airgordo, 3 Mar 2011 12:25 AM
From: Dominican Republic
you have to really LAUGH at this statement:
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Written by: super_lover, 2 Mar 2011 10:32 PM
From: Haiti
There are Haitians in the DR and Dominicans in Haiti. This will never change. Didn't someone used to say that we are conjoined twins? Well, maybe I wouldn't take it that far but we are close.
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this is to the Hatians to understand more clearly, WE HAVE NOTHING on common apart that and Island, THAT IS IS!! PERIOD! No language, No Culture, NOTHING!! just like we don'thave anything on common with USA or France!!!
Now a VERY simple question that yet shuts down most of the SERIOUS arguments, becasue is difficult to respond!..
WHAT good FOR DR, i repeat DR, not a handfull of citizens, has ever come from the Republic of HAITI??? i'd like a CLEAN and PRECISE RESPONSE for a small simple question!!!
Written by: martin, 3 Mar 2011 12:35 AM
From: United States, boston to S.P.M 23
maybe u should change that question 2 bad because
I don't think there anytin good 2 say
Written by: Edwin514, 3 Mar 2011 12:50 AM
From: Dominican Republic
@airgordo
Cheap labor. It's the truth.
Written by: Ayisiene, 3 Mar 2011 1:18 AM
From: United States
you Dominicans need to calm down, we know you hate Haitians and you wish you were Puerto Ricans! instead you all look black desperately trying to be accepted as Latins. When I move to the US i found out why you hate Haitians so much, you treat Haitians the way Latin world treat you, the bottom of the barrel!
the Cubans in miami think they are superior to you, the Puerto Ricans in New York look down on ya , you know the blanqueamiento system . Living in the US, I used to feel bad for you for the way the other latins treated you, so I suppose you blame haitians for your blackness. Well sorry you should blame the spaniard, they are the one who brought the slave to DR and intermarry! you are not spaniards, you are not white, you are a mix breed so get over yourself and come collect your prostitutes and you greedy businessmen who can wait to suck on Haitian blood, remember we buy 800million of your crappy goods, so we do help your economy, ingrates!
Written by: Ayisiene, 3 Mar 2011 1:19 AM
From: United States
P.S to all the Dominicans who hate Haitians and don't want us in your country, the feeling is mutual!!
Written by: airgordo, 3 Mar 2011 1:20 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Cheap UNEDUCATED labor is a good thing??? that IS what Haiti has... let's see what Mr. Bernardo Vega, one of the guys on this press note, says...
" Santo Domingo. - The economist and historian Bernardo Vega affirmed Tuesday that the only damage the Haitian presence causes in the country is “totally economic,” since in his view delays the economic transformation, maintains production formulas that must be progressively replaced and stunts the growth of real wages.
He said when there’s a massive manpower wiling to work “for whatever” halts a wage increase which worsens the distribution of income."
Written by: airgordo, 3 Mar 2011 1:34 AM
From: Dominican Republic
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Written by: Ayisiene, 3 Mar 2011 1:18 AM
From: United States
the post WRITTEN ABOVE of this person:
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Written by: Ayisiene, 3 Mar 2011 1:18 AM
From: United States
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is A PERFECT example of how NOT to respond a SIMPLE question that indeed kicks like a HORSE because the people that have to answer do not like the TRUE answer...even the usual "RACE HATE" card Brought, as expected of course Typical of many AFROCENTRC people which are as racist as the Whites Red Necks or worse, as i know well...let's see, 800 million is not money to pay for DOMINICAN LIVES lost to the MALARIA, CHOLERA (i'm fair and DENGUE or AIDS are not metioned, as they come from various places) and all other types of Sh*T that WERE VANISHED from the country 50+ years ago and comes from...do you want to guess???... YES you got it!!
But OK, it looks like the OWNERS of the World, Like Europe and the US really like the crappy Dominican Goods as well
Written by: airgordo, 3 Mar 2011 1:38 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Written by: Ayisiene, 3 Mar 2011 1:19 AM
From: United States
P.S to all the Dominicans who hate Haitians and don't want us in your country, the feeling is mutual!!
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Did you know that a dominican HAS TO PAY A VISA to get to Haiti???...but all Ok, let's see the numbers, how many dominicans LIVE ILLEGALLY in Haiti??? do you dare to write a number of your fellow country man and woman on the DR??? i'd like to compare the numbers just for Fun...
Written by: kmnupe, 3 Mar 2011 5:26 AM
From: United States, NYC
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From: Dominican Republic, Santiago
The truth hurts. Haiti is a mess and yes I deplore what Haiti represents. I am proud to be Dominicana. I love my country. I am not afraid to be patriotic or to want the best for my people and my country. If you love Haiti then GO TO HAITI AND HELP THEM IN HAITI!!!!!! I do not believe Haiti has anything to offer except destruction and destruction. The Haitians destroyeed their own country. Leave them there to rebuild if they know how. I doubt it and want them SENT BACK FAST
From: United States, NJ (M_ S Cibaeno 100%)
From: Dominican Republic, Civil Rights and Peace Activist for Our Dominican People
Tons of BS...
"They noted that Haitian migration towards Dominican Republic would be reduced if their living conditions improve"? Excuse me!?? ……….But Haitians invaded and assaulted us when they were in their glorious days, and has been for the last 150 years!!
How hard is to understand that Haitians invaded us and will invade no matter what, weather they are doing economically good or not.
From: Dominican Republic, Civil Rights and Peace Activist for Our Dominican People
ayisiene, actually YOU are completely wrong!!!
Mark my words....Dominicans DON’T GIVE A DAMN WHAT PEOPLE THINK OF US, NEVER HAD AND NEVER WILL"
This attitude had fortified our strength as a Nation and as a people.
This attitude makes us the happiest people on earth, statistically proven, Dominicans are one of the Happiest people. We move on in life and do get stuck in negativity and low-self steem.
From: United States
it has been a while but i feel compelled to respond to some of the mierda that some poeple deposit here. i am not a dominican but boricua casado con una cibaeña. in my opinion the dominican is very comfortable with their african/hispanic caribean heritage. the under 50 generation is very confident and eager to develop, grow and live a positive lifestyle as well as help their families back home. i've seen the haitians in the DR & they seem to live a wicked existence. stop dumping on dominican people! haitians have a collective sense low self-esteem . hait is a broken nation; no matter how much money you throw at it - it just goes to waste. it is with profound sadness that i say tha i say HAITI WILL ALWAYS BE A PROBLEM for the pueble domincano.
Written by: airgordo, 6 Mar 2011 9:07 AM
From: Dominican Republic
You have indeed spoken for a THOUSAND YEARS!!!
From: Haiti
For the reconstruction of our country, I think we need to ensure that the Cuban and Venezuelan help us. Anyway you need more Haitians were we need you. As soon as we have good government you'll see your crappy product that you pay almost one billion, it will stop. We will soon have a dynamic president, proud, and you will see, our troubles made ??your wealth. even the tourists say they are bored at home. Hotels, airports in Dominican Rep not only you but to foreigners. Once we have the stability you'll regress. The island is badly split most of your land is ours. Should we recover some of your territor
From: Haiti
You Dominicans are you people really crappy. I prefer the Cuban you, we are on the same island and yet we are with asshole. If the rep is Dominican so that it why not you apply the same rules that you propose to Haitians? You can stay home too. You're like shit in the USA. The Cuban friends tell me that he regretted that you are in the caribbean when he sees how you are racist, arrogant.
From: Haiti
The island is badly split most of your land is ours. Should we recover some of your territory you have stolen. Fortunately all the idiots who hate Write is not in power you are inflated by the hatred, you're frustrated. If all Haitian immigrants in return you're screwed Haiti, Haitian labor is live your greedy businessmen and slavery. Keep it up and I'm sure your country is boycotted in tourism. We will rebuild Haiti, with a new government, band dog you have not seen the Haitian
From: Haiti
For the reconstruction of our country, I think we need to ensure that the Cuban and Venezuelan help us. Anyway you need more Haitians were we need you. As soon as we have good government you'll see your crappy product that you pay almost one billion, it will stop. We will soon have a dynamic president, proud, and you will see, our troubles made ??your wealth. even the tourists say they are bored at home. Hotels, airports in Dominican Rep not only you but to foreigners. Once we have the stability you'll regress.
Written by: Pepe32, 21 Mar 2011 9:25 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Good riddance ANGOLAMAN why do you always expect others to help you ?? Why do you need Cubans and Venezuelans to help you if you are so great?
As far as who needs the other more ,without your dumb labour our growth would slow down ....your people would starve but you are too much of an idiot like so many of your countrymen who believe your own idiotic fantasies which is why Haiti will never get over its current situation.
Written by: Atabey, 21 Mar 2011 9:29 PM
From: United States, NYC
https://www.mckinseyquarterly.com....da_for_Haitis_new_government_2774A development agenda for Haiti’s new government
The country has come a lot further than most people realize. Long-term development is the new challenge.
MARCH 2011 • Eric Braverman and Lynn Taliento
development agenda for Haiti's new government article, need for long-term development, Public Sector
The election of Haiti’s new president represents a pivotal moment and a management challenge that will equally confront any of the candidates who stood for election on March 20 (the winning candidate is expected to be confirmed in April). Fourteen months after Haiti’s devastating earthquake, images of tent camps, crowded hospitals, and chaos abound. Yet they belie the country’s potential and recent progress.
From: Haiti
PEPE 32 you're a racist little shit. If your country is going so fast why you have so many Dominicans in the United States as Haitian united states?. I am very far from being an idiot compared to you. Angola is more developed than your country of the Dominican rep. I work for that Haitians like me proudest is that we stop doing business with you bastards band. You have mental problems, as you want or you will not always black Dominicans. Yep, you're a triple pepe idiot. When you were done for the ban on egg you were like small dogs buy our egg please my Haitian brothers. We will recover all who are in university at home to make Haiti again pearl of the Antilles. You're lazy that's why the pundits are Haitians Dominican rather than the Dominicans.
Written by: airgordo, 22 Mar 2011 12:16 AM
From: Dominican Republic
hey, did you know that not all what is green is to me smoked?...this guy is in lalaland
From: Haiti
what do you mean AIRGORDO? before I answer you in the rules of art
Written by: airgordo, 22 Mar 2011 5:01 PM
From: Dominican Republic
BEFORE run you have to WALK, if you want to kick DR out of the territory and all that stuff that you just wrote, you have to stop kicking your own arse..
From: Haiti
not my little before you get back our land we will mettrre on track of development to get investors and tourists that you've stolen, then put a great army to prevent thieves from your soldiers go home. then we'll go to the UN ask for more that one gives us our land. Faid you nothing in history to have all these lands.
Written by: airgordo, 23 Mar 2011 6:33 PM
From: Dominican Republic
I see, so you've got it all planned yeah?
From: Haiti
Planned yes everything is, and you will see at As the signs. The black Dominicans that you do not see are in it. ahahhaahahah we accept it, you want to give them a birth certificate so he does not speak a word Creole, you are truly a nation of shit. I do not understand why you do not want to Dominican nationality to a child who is born in you and who spoke only Spanish. These children will you blow into the mouth. I love not born black Dominican, even mulatto, you are too racist to you. While most facilities are doing by white foreigners.
From: United States
@kiskeyaman
STOP EMBARRASSING YOURSELF.
From: Haiti
WHAT DO YOU MEAN MR PRESIDENT hahahahha
From: Haiti
I say too much truth? Dominicans recently expelled a Dominican pretext that it was black so it is not Dominican. and your soldiers beat two Haitians pregnant women. It is imperative that we redo our army.
Who will be trained by the former Haitian military and the Chinese and the Israelis.
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Please forgive me, but I have to say it: what a load of crap.
Another interesting note: Why aren't these complete musings posted on the internet for all to see? I would think with so many easy ways to post articles and discussions on line that these writings could be available rather rapidly to the Dominican people. Why not publish them?
Another point:
Why wasn't the opposite position taken by one or two of the panelists? Two panelists for the proposition and two against. How difficult could that be? It's an open debate or a canned exercise to appear that information is taking place? Debates over crucial issues need different perspectives to be aired out, why only allow the PC version to have voice? Why not publish them?
Haitianos crean daño económico
Dijo que esos extranjeros retienen alza salarios
Escrito por: Senabri Silvestre
Compartir:
Santo Domingo.-El economista e historiador Bernardo Vega manifestó que el único daño que causa la presencia haitiana en el país es “plenamente económico”, ya que retrasa la transformación de la economía, mantiene esquemas de producción que deberían irse sustituyendo progresivamente y retiene el crecimiento de los salarios reales.
Argumentó que cuando existe una masa de mano de obra que puede trabajar “por lo que sea” no permite que los salarios aumenten, lo cual, reiteró, empeora la distribución del ingreso.
“Ese para mí es el argumento publico que se puede tener sobre ese tema, dijo Vega al exponer en la presentación de un coloquio realizado por EL DÍA, bajo el título “Haití: ¿bomba de tiempo?”, cuya apertura estuvo a cargo del director de este diario, Rafael Molina Morillo.
En la actividad también intervino el sociólogo Wilfredo Lozano, el ministro haitiano para Asuntos de Nacionales en el Exterior, Edwin Paraison y el director de Migración, Almirante Sigfrido Pared Pérez.
Política de migración
Bernardo Vega criticó que en el país no se ha querido definir una política de migración, porque la nación y los políticos están divididos. “Cómo nación no sabemos lo que queremos. Porque cada quién dice una cosa”, indicó.
Recordó que después de la tiranía de Rafael Leonidas Trujillo, la primera vez que se habló de una Ley de Migración fue en el primer gobierno de Leonel Fernández, en 1996, y luego la Ley fue impulsada por cuatro años en el Congreso durante la administración del expresidente Hipólito Mejía.
Añadió que esa Ley fue aprobada en el año 2004 y a partir de esa fecha se estableció un período de siete meses para que se aprobara su reglamento.
“Sin embargo, estamos en 2011 y aún no tenemos ese reglamento”.
Problemas de repatriación
Bernardo Vega destacó que el país nunca ha aprendido cómo deportar a los haitianos en forma civilizada, “porque no existe ningún entrenamiento para eso”.
Planteó que la Dirección General de Migración es la institución que por Ley debe llevar a cabo esa política, pero tiene muy poco presupuesto y personal no especializado para esos fines.
“Quienes físicamente hacen esa labor de repatriación son los militares y en ninguna parte dice que las Fuerzas Armadas es la encargada de manejar ese proceso y tampoco los entrenan para eso”, aclaró.
Destacó que la migración haitiana aumentó hacia el país en el año 1986, al caer la dictadura haitiana de Jean Claude Duvalier, y en ese momento es cuándo surge el uso de la mano de obra haitiana, además del corte de caña, en la producción de café, cacao, tabaco, y turismo.
and retired Admiral and current director of immigration Sigfrido Pared, mostly stayed out of most controversial pronouncements that Lozano and Vega made.
These are not Dominican businessmen or political experts per se, and the headline, labeling them "experts", is grandiose and grossly exaggerated, with the exception of the director of immigration, who was outnumbered by the other three.
Thanks for the clarification, the original article in Spanish is WAY different than the version we read.
I knew that there had to be something wrong here.
So I guess the education, healthcare, and housing needs are well addressed by the migrants!!
Qué tonterías!
In all REAL DEBATES you have two opposing sides battling each others points. Here we had four people supporting the same line!! What non-sense is this.
Dude,seriously...How old are you?
You sound like you have the mind of a 5 year old with down syndrome.
Do you even care about what's happening in Haiti?
Where's your pride,shame and concern?
Are these people crazy ?
They're just 'playing" stupid.
This people are so full of themselves that they believe that there is not a single Dominican smart enough to see through their bull...!
Their condescending ways will be their downfall,the citizens of Quisqueya are getting to the boiling point!
That's right, because they ruined their own country.
And now they want to do the same thing to ours.
I agree with the sentiments above, It's a load of Horse Crap!
2) The Dominican Government HAS to get away from corruption and implement a CONSISTENT border control law, policy, plan and objective. Randomly rounding up Haitians in the back of trucks every 4 weeks is nothing but an act aimed to appease a very frustrated public. And their lack of process further provokes examinations by the International Community.
3) Haitians have to make more of an effort to be as harmless, peaceful and 'invisible' as possible, because the bad acts of a few give all of them a bad name in a place they were never really welcomed to begin with.
4) People need to show respect and not think they are better than anybody else
It amazes me that in all your many years of experience, you have yet to deduce that negativity and hate only produce more destruction. I shudder to think what society will be like in 20 years when our elders and older ones themselves are embracing negativity, bias and prejudice. What will they be teaching the next generation - hate?? I certainly hope and pray that is not the case.
No threat here...
The annexation of Austria was peaceful
The Sudentenland didn't mean anything
Just because they are massing at the border doesn't mean they are invading!!!
BJP while you are telling Carmen what she should say why don't you say what frickin country you are supposedly from ...
Sweet Mickey does not have a "formal" education but he has managed to cash in on his passions, music, recording etc. He did not waste the money that he made but invested his money in the phone card market in South Florida, New York, and Boston - the Sweet Mickey Cards. Today he is a multi multi millionaire and everyone I know, buy his cards because they just have to call a local number and order minutes via their credit card. None of the other candidates are self- made. We need a common sense President. I'm for Sweet Mickey!
Bernard, it seems that Carmen has gotten under your skin again. She has never been to Haiti to see how many Dominicans like hanging around Haiti. We have Dominicans in businesses of all kinds and we have Dominicans who work for Haitians there. I was shocked before the earthquake when I visited the jail in Haiti with a lawyer friend and he was defending several Dominicans who were in the jail for months.
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Written by: super_lover, 2 Mar 2011 10:32 PM
From: Haiti
There are Haitians in the DR and Dominicans in Haiti. This will never change. Didn't someone used to say that we are conjoined twins? Well, maybe I wouldn't take it that far but we are close.
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this is to the Hatians to understand more clearly, WE HAVE NOTHING on common apart that and Island, THAT IS IS!! PERIOD! No language, No Culture, NOTHING!! just like we don'thave anything on common with USA or France!!!
Now a VERY simple question that yet shuts down most of the SERIOUS arguments, becasue is difficult to respond!..
WHAT good FOR DR, i repeat DR, not a handfull of citizens, has ever come from the Republic of HAITI??? i'd like a CLEAN and PRECISE RESPONSE for a small simple question!!!
I don't think there anytin good 2 say
Cheap labor. It's the truth.
the Cubans in miami think they are superior to you, the Puerto Ricans in New York look down on ya , you know the blanqueamiento system . Living in the US, I used to feel bad for you for the way the other latins treated you, so I suppose you blame haitians for your blackness. Well sorry you should blame the spaniard, they are the one who brought the slave to DR and intermarry! you are not spaniards, you are not white, you are a mix breed so get over yourself and come collect your prostitutes and you greedy businessmen who can wait to suck on Haitian blood, remember we buy 800million of your crappy goods, so we do help your economy, ingrates!
" Santo Domingo. - The economist and historian Bernardo Vega affirmed Tuesday that the only damage the Haitian presence causes in the country is “totally economic,” since in his view delays the economic transformation, maintains production formulas that must be progressively replaced and stunts the growth of real wages.
He said when there’s a massive manpower wiling to work “for whatever” halts a wage increase which worsens the distribution of income."
Written by: Ayisiene, 3 Mar 2011 1:18 AM
From: United States
the post WRITTEN ABOVE of this person:
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Written by: Ayisiene, 3 Mar 2011 1:18 AM
From: United States
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is A PERFECT example of how NOT to respond a SIMPLE question that indeed kicks like a HORSE because the people that have to answer do not like the TRUE answer...even the usual "RACE HATE" card Brought, as expected of course Typical of many AFROCENTRC people which are as racist as the Whites Red Necks or worse, as i know well...let's see, 800 million is not money to pay for DOMINICAN LIVES lost to the MALARIA, CHOLERA (i'm fair and DENGUE or AIDS are not metioned, as they come from various places) and all other types of Sh*T that WERE VANISHED from the country 50+ years ago and comes from...do you want to guess???... YES you got it!!
But OK, it looks like the OWNERS of the World, Like Europe and the US really like the crappy Dominican Goods as well
From: United States
P.S to all the Dominicans who hate Haitians and don't want us in your country, the feeling is mutual!!
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Did you know that a dominican HAS TO PAY A VISA to get to Haiti???...but all Ok, let's see the numbers, how many dominicans LIVE ILLEGALLY in Haiti??? do you dare to write a number of your fellow country man and woman on the DR??? i'd like to compare the numbers just for Fun...
http://listindiario.com/entreteni....9503/El-orgullo-de-ser-dominicano
"They noted that Haitian migration towards Dominican Republic would be reduced if their living conditions improve"? Excuse me!?? ……….But Haitians invaded and assaulted us when they were in their glorious days, and has been for the last 150 years!!
How hard is to understand that Haitians invaded us and will invade no matter what, weather they are doing economically good or not.
Mark my words....Dominicans DON’T GIVE A DAMN WHAT PEOPLE THINK OF US, NEVER HAD AND NEVER WILL"
This attitude had fortified our strength as a Nation and as a people.
This attitude makes us the happiest people on earth, statistically proven, Dominicans are one of the Happiest people. We move on in life and do get stuck in negativity and low-self steem.
As far as who needs the other more ,without your dumb labour our growth would slow down ....your people would starve but you are too much of an idiot like so many of your countrymen who believe your own idiotic fantasies which is why Haiti will never get over its current situation.
A development agenda for Haiti’s new government
The country has come a lot further than most people realize. Long-term development is the new challenge.
MARCH 2011 • Eric Braverman and Lynn Taliento
development agenda for Haiti's new government article, need for long-term development, Public Sector
The election of Haiti’s new president represents a pivotal moment and a management challenge that will equally confront any of the candidates who stood for election on March 20 (the winning candidate is expected to be confirmed in April). Fourteen months after Haiti’s devastating earthquake, images of tent camps, crowded hospitals, and chaos abound. Yet they belie the country’s potential and recent progress.
STOP EMBARRASSING YOURSELF.
Who will be trained by the former Haitian military and the Chinese and the Israelis.