Written by: riosm, 24 Aug 2011 2:56 PM
From: United States
Kman I bet your the leader of this group.
Written by: bernies, 24 Aug 2011 6:33 PM
From: United States, key west fl
Washington Post: DR covers cost of Haitian births
The Washington Post recently focused on the high cost that the Dominican Republic health system incurs as a result of the large numbers of Haitian women who migrate illegally with the main intention of giving birth in Dominican hospitals free of charge. In a report on the situation, The Washington Post writes that most migrant women have no papers, "but the armed Dominican soldiers guarding the gate dividing the two countries let most of them through."
They come because they don't have access to health care in Haiti, especially since last year's earthquake. They come because they can get free health care in the Dominican Republic each year, and so that they can have their babies in hospitals instead of on the floors of their homes," www.washingtonpost.com/world/americas/women-leaving-haiti-to-give-birth/2011/08/12/gIQAN9YyXJ_story.html
Written by: bernies, 24 Aug 2011 6:36 PM
From: United States, key west fl
www.washingtonpost.com/world/americas/women-leaving-haiti-to-give-birth/2011/08/12/gIQAN9YyXJ_story.html
Written by: riosm, 24 Aug 2011 6:43 PM
From: United States
This must be shocking news to the one and ONLY Kman, better known as livinginacave-man.
So sad.....why have babies they can't afford to feed and raise in the first place ? That's unfair and cruel to the innocent child.
It's almost the same situation in the U.S with Mexican and central American illegals, only we call them anchor babies.
It's used as a neat little ploy to strike at the heart and soul of a nation called "keeping families together".
Written by: riosm, 24 Aug 2011 6:45 PM
From: United States
Sorry I goofed....it's LIVINGINACAVE-MON
Written by: ateo2010 
, 26 Aug 2011 2:46 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Owning Noobs
@KISKEYAMAN,,
dude go shove a huge D*ck up your filthy haitian @ss .
1st. Dominicans don't consider themselves as white you idiot, that's just pure afrocentric speculations and afrocentric goals to make us look bad, we're mix people, of any race/ or and color.
2nd. You haitians are everywhere and no ones likes you, even the blacks and mulattoes from The Bahamas don't like your presence.
3rd. Dominicans immigrate for a better life or what ever reasons true, but unlike you filthy haitians we don't have 10 kids we can't afford to raise, and we are more united and stronger. :)
So F*ck off and get your gay @ss out of this forum and return to haitianxchange where you belong dumb ugly b*tch,
(don't have anything else to say to you here, bye ).. :)
Written by: RonEvane, 26 Aug 2011 6:52 PM
From: United States, Gaithersburg, Maryland
Ladies and Gents. With your racist and crude comments, you are evidencing the "raison de etre" for these antidescriminatory groups to come into being.
Haitians come to DR out of desperation. It's sad and cruel the way we react to people in dire need of the most basic necessities of life. Where is your sense of compassion?
Written by: riosm, 26 Aug 2011 8:02 PM
From: United States
RonEvane,
With such desperation and need in Haiti and were stuck with a self made spokesmen Kmaninacave. You should read some of his past postings on other DT articles, still we don't broad bass brush one outrageous misguided Haitian over the Haitian people. That in it's self is proof.
After all these years the Haitian people have over looked the inhuman treatment of there own people at the hands of their bossman's and the Haitian Gov.
Haiti the nanny country of the world on what not to do. At what point will the world say enough is enough ?
Haitians must re-build there own country they can start by reforestation project [fruit trees a must].
I've always said what effects one effects all, after all we share the same Island.
May I add.....what really ticks many Dominicans off including myself is the idea that both country's should unite as one.....
Now that's crazy talk !
I could see it now....the U.S uniting with Mexico.
Written by: ateo2010 , 27 Aug 2011 1:38 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Owning Noobs
@RonEvane
Kiskeyamen isn't at all in needs, his lazy ass is living off of welfare and he's a cunt living in the US with all this opportunities around him.
Written by: RonEvane, 27 Aug 2011 10:07 AM
From: United States, Gaithersburg, Maryland
No doubt that there'll always be people expounding their radica linterpretations of what goes on in this world today and how they want things to be.That's what creates war and discord amongs us. Unfortunately the reality is that we, Dominicans, are stuck with a feeble and inept government that does, (seemingly), very little to help stem the flow of Haitian people who come to our side out of desperation.
The solution to this situation is complex and requires massive aid ( to Haiti) that has yet to materilize. When and if it ever does come, things may get better for us all. In the meantime, we, as humane beings must do what we can to help our needy neightbour regardless of our differences.
Written by: riosm, 27 Aug 2011 1:02 PM
From: United States
RonEvane
Part of the problem the way I see it is many Haitians know that there are many caring people in this world, most Haitians not all in their mind set have come to the conclusion......so why even try !
Many Haitians [this generation] just sit and wait until the next man made or natural catastrophe hit's then wait for the world aide to come flooding in, mind you of all the aide donated that makes it to Haiti less then 10% of it actually gets to the intended peoples, where's The accountability ?
I'm surprised Sean da Penn-head has even lasted this long, I believe in own his stubbornness he refuses to accept Haiti is a lost cause. He's even been shun by the rich Hollywood type.
Also one has to ask.....with all the rich U.S Black rappers, movie stars, athletics [Oprah] etc..etc.. very few if any give a SH&% about Haiti....say what ! No race card there ?
The DR in the current financial situation were in still aides Haiti, I have to ask why ?
Written by: RonEvane, 27 Aug 2011 4:37 PM
From: United States, Gaithersburg, Maryland
Riosm.
Why? because we have no other choice! We're stuck with with this mess!
And what are we to do? Build a wall, as some here have suggested? Kill them as they cross the Masacre river?
How are we to cope with this problem? And it's gonna get worse, no doubt!
So what if we didn't help them? as you hint, what do you think would be the result of that?
I'll leave that for you to answer.
Written by: riosm, 27 Aug 2011 5:20 PM
From: United States
RonEvane
I don't have all the answer's how about this for starters.....
The DR has done more of it's share. This mess was never our problem to begin with, we've become part of their problem by helping Haiti without any limits.
Build a wall and fire those Dominican border guards who are violating the law.
Give the Haitians limited work permits at a small monthly tax fee. Those found in the DR with no work permits deny them work permits for up to one year then deport them.
Hold the Haitian Gov. responsible for not blocking their own border.
At what point will the Haitian people realize the people of Haiti must take control of there own country's destiny by rebuilding their own country.
Give give give, take take take we have created part of their problem a dependent nanny country with no hope for there future.
The choice is simple I'm all for helping like.....helping Haiti to help it's self.
Written by: RonEvane, 27 Aug 2011 10:17 PM
From: United States, Gaithersburg, Maryland
Riosm. Some of your suggestions have merit, but they're not based on facts. The events unfolding at the border deem otherwise. Those in power to manage the border traffic don't necessarily follow the gov's mandate... They will let in who pays the most, regarless of what the law says.
These Army apes are out to make a proffit just like everyone else in present day government.
So it's every rat for himself. Never mind what tomorrow brings or whatever the consequences.
I'm here to get my dues, screw the system!
Haitians are no different!
Written by: riosm, 28 Aug 2011 12:00 AM
From: United States
RonEvane.
The problem is complex an effort must be made, the problem will remain the same until the DR Gov. takes firm action. I agree many border officials take bribes. What's needed is honest border agents to do conduct random patrols and second entrance checks for permits not far from the border.
The idea of "never mind what tomorrow brings" freaks me out, what next vigilante justice ?
Take care.
Written by: RonEvane, 28 Aug 2011 6:09 PM
From: United States, Gaithersburg, Maryland
Thank you, Riosm.
You're right about the gov. taking firm action. But I doubt it will happen under Leonel's whatch.
I'm hoping our next president will make it a priority of safe-guarding DR's integrity.
If this crisis continues unchecked, DR will pay dearly with our economy tanking down to what it was 30 years ago, or worse!
Take care.
From: Haiti
ATEO and RIOSMA the idiots of the village1)
'dude go shove a huge D*ck up your filthy haitian @ss .
1st. Dominicans don't consider themselves as white you idiot, that's just pure afrocentric speculations and afrocentric goals to make us look bad, we're mix people, of any race/ or and color.'
You are very dumf, and it's sad to see even if you are in usa, you and your crap riosm, are idiot. You don't know what happen in your country. A lot of DOMINICAN believe they are white. You think the same things, Ron EVANE can see what you are writting in the site for see how you ae very racist! you cultive the hartre in your live, you hate the haitians! but you hate me because i try to defend my countrymen! And i told too much truth! bunch of ignorant don't know like dr, at haiti we have a lot of mix people even if not like DR.
From: Haiti
ATEO and RIOSMA the idiots of the village 2)
'2nd. You haitians are everywhere and no ones likes you, even the blacks and mulattoes from The Bahamas don't like your presence. '
AHAHAHHAHA you are a little child, stop your blindness!
In MARTINIQUE, GUADELOUPE, especially in puerto RICO, and a lot of country like usa, they hate DOMINICANS not only because your presence, but also because your first job is the prostitution!
We, Haitians are everywhere but we don't stole, don't practice like you in a great scale the prostitution! the haitians don't forget the own brother that he leaves in HAITI!
The two country in the carribean who leave their own country are HAITIANS and DOMINICANS.
Stupid you don't know that? All people who leave their country if to find a better live, it's the same for the HAITIANS!
From: Haiti
ATEO and RIOSMA the idiots of the village 3)
So F*ck off and get your gay @ss out of this forum and return to haitianxchange where you belong dumb ugly b*tch,
F*ck you m*ther f*cker and now i am here to educate you and a lot of your countrymen!
I am here, and you must told me thank you father KISKEYA!
You put your big ass in USA, and you come here in my site (AHAHAHAHAHA) to told a lot of stupid things! VIVA HAITIA
From: Haiti
RIOSM
Part of the problem the way I see it is many Haitians know that there are many caring people in this world, most Haitians not all in their mind set have come to the conclusion......so why even try !
Many Haitians [this generation] just sit and wait until the next man made or natural catastrophe hit's then wait for the world aide to come flooding in, mind you of all the aide donated that makes it to Haiti less then 10% of it actually gets to the intended peoples, where's The accountability ?
You see RONEVANE? this little child who is RIOSM, have a lot of bias?
'most Haitians not all in their mind set have come to the conclusion' You believe you are GOD? you are in the mind of all haitians? you are a f*ck man riosm el M*r*cone! You are very limited!
I hope all dominicans are not idiot, like you!
From: Haiti
riosma
The DR in the current financial situation were in still aides Haiti, I have to ask why ?
You know why? because haiti help DR even if you don't believe that! A lot of HAITI in DR work in DR. THE UNBALANCE TRADE Help DR. AND THAT a little idiot like you who stay in usa can not understand that! It's very sad to see a man who live in usa, haven't got even knowledge and mind for discern some things!
From: Haiti
RIOSM
The DR has done more of it's share. This mess was never our problem to begin with, we've become part of their problem by helping Haiti without any limits.'
'you helping Haiti without any limits? give me the details of your help without limits!
'Build a wall and fire those Dominican border guards who are violating the law' The things have changed in all country even haiti you dislike. again once time DR can not build a wall because haiti is its second trading partner after the United States.
You can not fire the border guards because it's thanks the haitians a lot of among them eat!
if a government of the Dominican Rep did that there will be civil war
and adios la estabilización ahahahahaha
From: Haiti
riosma 3
Give the Haitians limited work permits at a small monthly tax fee. Those found in the DR with no work permits deny them work permits for up to one year then deport them. Hold the Haitian Gov. responsible for not blocking their own border. And after? what will hapening? If he did not block the own border?
Let me told you, i think you don't know the actual situation, now you have the pnh who blocking a part of the boarder. But the border is very big, with what money you want a country like haiti and DR for blocking all the border! If you do that, a lot of little people DR and HAITI will stuck!
From: Haiti
riosma4
At what point will the Haitian people realize the people of Haiti must take control of there own country's destiny by rebuilding their own country.
Give give give, take take take we have created part of their problem a dependent nanny country with no hope for there future
IF YOU WRITTE THAT is because you are sick or you make pretend.
you confuse the Haitian people and government idiots we had in Haiti.
The people suffer, and the money which from other countries for help us, the majority of them are in the hands of NGOs that do not care about anything.
you must close your mouth when you don't know anything about a subject
From: Haiti
RONEVANE
congratulations for your understanding! i meet three dominicans in the site, i respect! ARCANGEL and another who have the father who fall in the war against the AMERICAN.
I respect all people who don't have the same view like me!
I don't respect the people ignorant and dum like riosma and ateo!
A lot of people hate me because i don't share their point of view! I'ts my duty to tell what the problem between the two countries! It's my duty to told you, you are right if what you say is right but in the mutual respect!
If the AMERICAN was took the ISLAND is because the hatred a lot of DOMINICAN CULTIVE!
they two idiots are expect i stay nice when he critic and he told a lot of racist word and a lot of bad word about my country! Wake up, all haitians don't cultive the complex of inferiority as you see maybe all days in the border! A lot of bias you have is not truth
From: United States
there is a very simple solution
dr needs to seal its border........no movement of goods or people..
if dominicans could grow some balls then they could seal their border.
i am haitian and if it was the reverse...i would form a kkk to burn the dominicans out.
grow some balls and stop whining
Written by: RonEvane, 29 Aug 2011 11:14 PM
From: United States, Gaithersburg, Maryland
KISKEYAMAN.
I can't blame you for your anger. What we as human beings fail to acknowledge is that we're in this world together. We must fix what ails us together or we will surely perish together!
The main reason for wars stem out of ignorance and ethnophobia sprinkle with a little religious fanatism.
Blaming one or the other will never, ever, accomplish a thing. We must get over our suspicions and biased mentality by working together for the betterment of both our nations. There is no other way! Logic says so!
Written by: riosm, 30 Aug 2011 1:51 AM
From: United States
I could see it now the Haitian KKK what color would their sheets be ?
Finally you got it !
You do realize Haiti's problem. Then your problem is with NGO not the Dominican people go lash your anger and frustration out on them.
Man-up and fix your own Gov. & bossman problem while your ad it too.
Try loving your fellow man you'll find out that you first must love yourself.
One can't give what one does not have.
SIMPLE ADVICE....don't start something that you can't stop.
From: Haiti
RONEVANE
Blaming one or the other will never, ever, accomplish a thing. We must get over our suspicions and biased mentality by working together for the betterment of both our nations. There is no other way! Logic says so!
I want to work with a people who have mutual respect! If the dominicans come work to help us in a domain he is expert why not! But it is the same for the dominicans? I don't know.
I blaming no people, except the people frustrated and racist like RIOSM.
Are you see the post of RIOSM? it's a shame for DR to have a little shit like him!
From: Haiti
RIOSM
'Man-up and fix your own Gov. & bossman problem while your ad it too.
Try loving your fellow man you'll find out that you first must love yourself.
One can't give what one does not have.'
RIOSM, DR IS FOR THE foreign investors, you are so blind to don't see that! IN DR YOU HAVE SO MANY bossman. Your government are corrupt too! keep your advice for you and your country which is now usa! DR don't know your existence, you are so frustrated about that.
Haiti know my existence because i work so hard for all HAITIANS! AND I LOVE MY COUNTRy.
And don't spend your time to critic my country then your country have a lot of poor person like my country! HAITI, you dislike a day, you going to see another image!
Once again I give you this advice, look at the crap that is in your eyes instead of looking at the speck that is in the eyes of your neighbor!
Written by: riosm, 30 Aug 2011 7:13 PM
From: United States
As they say never waste your time trying to expose some one "Give it time, they'll expose themselves".
From: Haiti
you expose yourself it's not good!
From: United States
What people fail to see is that Haiti will never amount to anything. Stability and prosperity will not happen while the US and the int'l community continues to mingle in Haitian affairs and remains a country deeply in debt. It is not by coincidence Haiti is in shambles. There is a reason and a possible explanation is that It was purposedly created for some ones advantage to remain the world's basket case. It all boils down to money and economics.Their misery represents the prosperity of others while kept and force to stay down.
Along with the impoverished illiterate masses, there are also thousands of well educated, talented, intelligent and if anything, hard working Haitians all over the world that given the opportunity, can one day help turn the country around. But that aint gonna happen my friends, because those powerful external forces apparently are greater then the will of the people. Haiti is doomed and will eventually disappear into thin air.
From: United States
i love being dominican !!!!!!!!
Written by: RonEvane, 5 Sep 2011 10:00 PM
From: United States, Gaithersburg, Maryland
Guillermone:
"Haiti will never amount to anything"??
That's a very negative outlook. Well, then. How do you account for our (DR), relative prosperity?
I'm old enought to remember, and history tells us, that we were no better-off politically and economically in the 40's and 50's than Haiti was.
What made us surge ahead was mostly a better educational system under Trujillo.
If Duvalier had care more about it, Haiti may have prospered on a par with us.
Haiti could have been, but it's not. It's all politics and luck!
From: Haiti
GUILLERMO
the prophet of doom;
be careful if "haiti is doomed and will eventually disappear into thin air".
DOMINICAN REPUBLIC WILL ALSO DISAPPEAR BECAUSE IS THE SAME ISLAND
From: Haiti
RON
BEFORE A LOT OF DOMINICAN COME IN HAITI to take our example!
THE DOMINICANS DEMANDED OUR HELP TO BUILD DOMINICAN REP
SINCE 86 HAITI is in this situation!
From: Haiti
GUILLERMO
Along with the impoverished illiterate masses, there are also thousands of well educated, talented, intelligent and if anything, hard working Haitians all over the world that given the opportunity, can one day help turn the country around
AAHAHHAHHAHA I SEE YOUR IGNORANCE! You have more one million of haitians who is well educated, talented, intelligent.
Once again the problem of HAITI is politic, if we have serious man who lead this country, we can catch DOMINICAN REP!
I Can bet about that! our great problem is onely politic!
From: United States
Kiskeyaman-Why did you take my comment out of context and contradicted what I said just to say exactly the same thing I already said but in different words?
What was the purpose of your comment in the first place or did you not read my whole post?
From: United States
RonEvane-The state of affairs Haiti finds Itself has nothing to do with education. It goes way back and starts during the days when Haiti became the first free, black-slave republic against the French. And for that they will never be forgiven, held responsible, kept down and forever used as an example for others not to try and do the same thing, rebel from the colonial-imperialist power structure.
It is happening today with Afganistan, Iraq, Cuba, Libya and to any country or world leader that tries to defy present day superpowers. But Haiti has been and always be the worse of them all. That is why in spite of the will of the people and the millions in financial aide or otherwise, there has been little to no improvement.
Let us not fool ourselves, no political leader can solve the problems of Haiti. It is the int'l community which rules and controls their destiny, like they do with everyone else, determines the future and final outcome of all countries in the western hemisphere
From: United States
What we need to understand is that Haiti is extremely unique in the sense that unlike any other former colony, it was the only place where the mold was broken, a massive slave revolt and uprising completely disrupted centuries old paradyms. Imagine, something never seen in history, illiterate black slaves rose up against and killed their white european slave masters. They abolished from one day to the next, a long well established, centuries old ecomomic system of slavery. They were not only able to defeat the Napoleon army, one of the most powerful at the time, but also became the first free independent black republic in the western hemisphere.
From: United States
Haiti will never be forgiven, forever penalized, regardless of what appeared to be a false opportunity given to make reparations for the the violence committed against the French and the lost of the colony. Haiti was required to get into a "debt" of 150 million francs to France as the price of their freedom and to be eligible participants in the world markets, knowing full well Haiti would never be able to pay. Haiti has not only been unable to service its debt, it has dug themselves deeper into the hole, unable to get out, further mortgaged their future to the point of no return. They created the conditions where Haiti will never be allowed to grow and prosper, but left alone to die, condemned to a life of backwardness and misery.
From: United States
The black Republic of Haiti may have been able to rid the chains of physical slavery but has been unable to eliminate the much worse slavery of debt. This is what has held them back, continued captive, from one to another bond of oppression. It is never more evident as we observe the most dire social conditions any human can bare. It is a country which lacks among many other things the ability to feed itself, has no access to clean and potable water, unable to send their children to school, no viable transportation system and to put it mildly, inadequate health services for its people.
From: United States
Haiti is in agony, a basket case with no end in sight, not even the slightest hint of light at the end of the tunnel. Haiti can not and will neither be able to pay its debt nor is eligible for debt relief. They are like beggars on a street corner that rely on donations from strangers for immediate survival, but long term is simply unsustainable. Haiti is destined to disappear off the Island of Hispaniola and what ever is left will be absorbed by its neighbors the Dominican Republic.
From: United States
Because we don't know what will be the actual dynamics that will eventually lead to its demise nor what the direct implications will be for the DR, we must hope for the best but prepare for the worst. When Haiti is gone, the remaining survivers will flood our gates and tear it down. It is only logical and instinctive to run for your life. There will be an uncontrollable stampede of refugees, incalculable numbers of unprecendented proportions. It would be foolish and naive for the DR to think otherwise, that things will work out for them. Haiti or any country for that matter, will do what it takes to hold on to its last breath of air and anyone in a similar situation will do the same thing, particularly where life and death are concerned and the security and livelihood of its people are at stake.
Written by: RonEvane, 7 Sep 2011 1:27 AM
From: United States, Gaithersburg, Maryland
Guillermone.
I want to thank you for an extensive and well-worded history lesson. I read and re-read your posts to make sure I understood you well.
For the most part, I totally agree with you on Haiti being what it is, and what it hasn't done to improve it's lot. It's truely a "basket case". But I disagree with you on that "education has nothing to do with it". As a matter of fact, it has EVERYTHING to do with it!. I am a diehard proponent of educating our children. This being the MOST essential, necessary and indispensable tool that can make a world of difference in what is happening today in Haiti and DR. and whether we can prosper together.
Our differences are many, but what stands out the most, is the inability for Haiti to govern itself. The reason for this is obviously the lack of an educated population.
And let's no pretend that we're so smart ourselves. We have a long way to go before we can even THINK like a first-world nation.
Written by: RonEvane, 7 Sep 2011 2:20 AM
From: United States, Gaithersburg, Maryland
We could be much better off today if we had the initiative to realize education is key to prosperity. But how can we know this to be true if our ancestors were not aware of it in the first place? and did not pass it on to us? We're mostly a bunch of dummies,(me included), who are ruled by even bigger dummies who think education is nothing but a waste of time and money. Whatever happened to 4% of GNP? But I digress. We're talking about Haiti being what it is. And what it is, is that without schools, Haiti and DR- just the same- will never emerge from where we are today unless we see a turn-around in our educational systems.
I don't know what else we can do to make things better. But one thing's for sure, if we're to prosper ourselves, we MUST help our neighbour in any way we can, to do the same. If nothing's done, we'll be in for a long and miserable, deep-shit situation with no end in sight! Alas!
From: Haiti
GUILLERMO2
' Haiti was required to get into a "debt" of 150 million francs to France as the price of their freedom and to be eligible participants in the world markets,'
this sum will demanded by the france in 1825 under the reign of Charles X.
it's not francs but gold franc, if you convert this mountain in euro, it's arount 17-21 billions of euros, Aristide was been attacked by the france because he ask this money who was a ransom requested by the France, despite haitians have win the battle of vertieres with their own blood! Haitians have paid all money to france.
From: Haiti
RIOSM
'Kiskeyaman-Why did you take my comment out of context and contradicted '
Ho i don't take your comment out of context, but i contradicted you because a great part of you have wrote are wrong!
first, when you wrote Haiti will never be forgiven, forever penalized, regardless of what appeared to be a false opportunity given to make reparations for the the violence committed against the French and the lost of the colony.
What violence haiti commit agains the French? tell me what will be your reaction if someone kill your brother, beat your family for a lot of century? correct your sentence, we have led fight with courage against france, a country which have commit a lot of violence about the human that the french considered like Animals! If you cry about the french it's you are a master of slave in your head!
From: Haiti
guilermo3
'Haiti has not only been unable to service its debt' inform yourself haiti have paid this sum which is not a debt but once again a ransom!
From: Haiti
GUILERMO4
'It is never more evident as we observe the most dire social conditions any human can bare. It is a country which lacks among many other things the ability to feed itself, has no access to clean and potable water, unable to send their children to school, no viable transportation system and to put it mildly, inadequate health services for its people'
yo men, we work now to give free a education to the children of the street! to the children who don't have the means to go to school. This year 140 000 children will going free to school! at time i wrote that, we have a great enterprise of france which work with the haitian enterprise who give the water to haitians. thanks to this collaboration we begin to have water potable! like before the eartquake.
From: Haiti
GUILLERMO3 BIS
in the year 1950 all the sum was give by haiti! 1/3 of budget of france came from haiti!
July 2010, after the earthquake, a wrong website of the french Ministry of Foreign Affairs announced loudly the intention of France to repay the sums received after the freedom of haiti!
.
From: Haiti
GUILLERMO5 BIS
we need that the freedom are not be for only the white but all human whatever your colour! the white man made a lot of money thanks to slavery, catholic church was accepted that the black people are not humans, it's for that, I decided to leave this religion.Haiti has give example by a lot of nations! before when you are black slave if you arrived in haiti you become free! haiti is the mother of universel
From: Haiti
GUILERMO5
'They created the conditions where Haiti will never be allowed to grow and prosper, but left alone to die, condemned to a life of backwardness and misery'.
look the past, haiti was rich before 1935 and we habe been a master in the affairs of tourist untill 1960-80! your government came for take example!Haiti is down since 1986, it's the fault of a part of haitians not onely all haitians, don't confuse!it's the fault of the great country like USA-CANADA-FRANCE-SPAGNE, because haiti help a lot of country like the Venezuela, DR,to become independent! because haiti give the example!
From: Haiti
GUILLERMO7
'Because we don't know what will be the actual dynamics that will eventually lead to its demise nor what the direct implications will be for the DR, we must hope for the best but prepare for the worst. When Haiti is gone, the remaining survivers will flood our gates and tear it down. It is only logical and instinctive to run for your life. There will be an uncontrollable stampede of refugees, incalculable numbers of unprecendented proportions'
listen to me, it's the hope of the great countries of see the disapear of HAITI! but i saw that the wish of many ignorant Dominicans as you is to see the disapear of haiti too!
but sorry for you, we make a lot of work to rebuild the country! stop to hate haiti which is not your foe!
stop to encourage the hatred between the two nations! go to visit but don't bring with you your hate! the wheel will turn!
From: Haiti
GUILLERMO6
'Haiti is in agony, a basket case with no end in sight, not even the slightest hint of light at the end of the tunnel. Haiti can not and will neither be able to pay its debt nor is eligible for debt relief’.
'AHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHHA Stop to say a lot of crap! inform yourself before to spitting your venom with arrogance! Haiti is not a basket case especially now! a light of hope is come back after the elections! now the main problem is the miss of government! soon will be have a new prime minister GARRY CONY a man who work for o.n.u. stop to see only what all media tell!
come to our agony to make holyday: Ile a vache
http://www.tripadvisor.fr/Locatio....1025359-w5-Ile_a_Vache_Haiti.htmlhaiti is not only Port au prince!
From: Haiti
GUILLERMO 8
. It would be foolish and naive for the DR to think otherwise, that things will work out for them. Haiti or any country for that matter, will do what it takes to hold on to its last breath of air and anyone in a similar situation will do the same thing, particularly where life and death are concerned and the security and livelihood of its people are at stake.
I want to thank you for an extensive and well-worded history lesson. I read and re-read your posts to make sure I understood you well.
AHAHAHAHAHAH , your new name is prophet of doom.
look after your country, give a break to haiti, it's really, that a lot of country hate haiti because the fight for the right!
now we must fight for our country, haiti in first, we can do a 2nd revolution, that of economy!
From: Haiti
GUILLERMO9
‘They are like beggars on a street corner that rely on donations from strangers for immediate survival, but long term is simply unsustainable. Haiti is destined to disappear off the Island of Hispaniola and what ever is left will be absorbed by its neighbors the Dominican Republic.’
AAHHAHAHAHAAH it's your hope, nobody in haiti, want to be absorbed by your country, we are too pride for to be leave absorbed by another poor country! I am sur you hate yourself! a lot of dominicans are poor and stay in corner of your street for ask donations! you have in your country a lot of beggars! The preval government was a lot of beggars, i think you are right, but now the aim of my president is to stop the donations, he want developp our isles for receive the tourism!
now, a lot of haitian will go free in school!
From: Haiti
GUILLERMO 10
and a lot of your countrymen work now in haiti.
Haiti give you work now! All dominicans don't think like you fortunately! let me tell you haiti don't have to pay debt! DOMINICAN must to pay around 60-70 billions of debt.
HELP YOUR COUNTRY TO REPAY THIS SUM!
I wish you a good travel in ile à vache
From: Haiti
GUILLERMO11
You can go in jacmel it's a beautiful place! a little different of ile à vache(island cow)
as soon you can go in ile de la tortue(turtule island), l'ile de la gonave too and port de paix, (port of peace), les anglais,(the english), jeremie, and another beautiful place where you have a lot of courageous haitians! and very kind!
From: Haiti
RONEVANE1
'
For the most part, I totally agree with you on Haiti being what it is, and what it hasn't done to improve it's lot.'
Let me tell you, the great problem of haiti is politic, we had in the past, a lot of idiot who lead this country, but the people are not guilty! a lot of haitians are killed to fight because he want a better life.now haiti know the democratic system, and the people shows he wants a better life. They went in several elections, and the haitians citizen, remained standing for 10 hours.
Our differences are many, but what stands out the most, is the inability for Haiti to govern itself. The reason for this is obviously the lack of an educated population.
the real difference are the manner, the willing have your government to develop your country. Even i think with 4 billions you receive from tourist you can do better! but your government show you port au prince to calm the dominicans.
From: Haiti
ronevane2
now we have a willing group and a new president who want reduce the corrupt, manage haiti in the good way, but a group of shit want to discourage him, because preval give them a lot of money for nothing.
Martelly tell, the time to beggars is finish, we have like DR, cuba, jamaica, a lot of beautiful place, a lot of beach with white sand! especially a nice people! it's time to change the bad pictures.
From: Haiti
RONvane3
Let me tell you in the 1950 years, the system of education in haiti was the best! FATHER DUVALIER kill a lot of people who have knowledge! A lot of haitian flee haiti around 1960 to help a lot of AFRICAN who take their independence.
You know, all HAITIANS know the value of EDUCATION, it's for that, a lot of haitians go to studies in DR, CUBA, usa, france everywhere!
HAITIAN FAMILY prefer stay hungry for send those children at school!
A lot of radio shows more and more the importance of EDUCATION!
the problem is since two decenies, the government do nothing to grow the level of education!
and now MARTELLY WANT make something to improve the system! a lot of people will go soon at school for the first time.
From: Haiti
RONEVANE4
I don't know what else we can do to make things better. But one thing's for sure, if we're to prosper ourselves, we MUST help our neighbour in any way we can, to do the same. If nothing's done, we'll be in for a long and miserable, deep-shit situation with no end in sight! Alas!
Don't worry, Haiti have a diaspora willing to help, but they wait a sign of Martelly and a new government!
Martelly put in place a new system, the aim of the system is to help the education!
he take money for the person who send money in haiti : 1,5 us dollars, the person who call in haiti, he takes 5 cents by second.
From: Haiti
GUILLERMO, RON EVANE
I hope i answer you!
I know my english is not very well but since 5 months, i began to learn this language!
I speak better!!! After english, i would want to speak the germans! here a lot of people from GERMANY COME HERE!
I WRITE- SPEAK french, creole perfectly!
Written by: riosm, 7 Sep 2011 10:59 AM
From: United States
Kiskeyaman,
That's good.
My Spanish sucks it's mixed with half of the Latin American country's, that's what happens in America. I understand a little Portuguese and French.
As always one learns the slang, cuss words and foods before anything.
Remember people will always be people....with the same want's and needs.
ALL take care.
From: United States
KISKEYAMAN-First and foremost, I have no hate for Haiti and Dominicans in general do not hate Haitians. You need to understand, accept and get that through your thick head. Otherwise, what ever I say would be misinterpreted. I am only being realistic. Haiti for the most part, with a few exceptions, has had a precarious history. Why do you deny that? Life for the people in Haiti overall has been very difficult just to put it mildly and will remain that why because the international community wants it that way and need to use Haiti as an example so others don't attempt to uprise against the present day supreme slave masters, the International Community of super power nations.
From: United States
KISKEYAMAN-
Let me give you just one example. The US in the mid-1990s encouraged Haiti to dramatically cut tariffs on imported U.S. rice. While it was good business for American farmers, it devastated food production in Haiti. The US destroyed the agricultural industry because they dumped and flooded under priced food items on to the Haitian market. Unable to make a profit, they put the local producers out of business. Now Haiti has to import everything to be able to feed itself.
Kiskeyaman don't be fooled by politicians. They threw you a bone to keep you happy and entertained, then tell you they are helping and doing you a favor, while at the same time keep the thick, juicy cut of beef for themselves.
From: Haiti
GUILLERMO1
Because i am not agree with you, you call me 'thick head'? AHAAHHAHAHA i am not stupid!
I showed you, all you said is not true!
All haitians know that the international community play with haiti. each time, the usa told he give 300 million to haiti, in fact, it's not haiti which receive this sum but their NGO.
From: Haiti
GUILLERMO2
But it's also the fault of the leader politic haitian, who don't have the courage to say the real truth. . but you know, the united lead also DR. Look WILKEAS.
From: Haiti
GUILLERMO3
I believe in god you know, and i say whatever the plan of the people in the world, Haiti will be continuous to exist! GOD is more strong! let me tell you a man who work in the o e a
Ricardo Seitenfus, represent O E A is fall in love of haiti, and try to help haiti, this man denounced an international conspiracy against Haiti.
http://www.pagina12.com.ar/diario/contratapa/13-175261-2011-08-25-html read the last comments.
From: Canada
What is wrong with the human race. It is the same thing all the time. Unbelievable.
FACT ... We are all human beings, persons first, man or woman second and who cares what culture, color or tooth brush size you happen to like
Good for the reconcilliation efforts to all involved. Your work will never be done but the work must be done because we humans are jammed to the hilt with prejudice.
From: United States
KISKEYAMAN-"Because i am not agree with you, you call me 'thick head'? AHAAHHAHAHA i am not stupid!"
Maybe you are not a "thick head" but because of the language barrier, your reading comprehension seems to need improvement in order for us to have a productive and constructive conversation. It appears as if you continue to misinterpret my posts and/or take it out of context.
I never insulted your intelligence, but that is the way you took it. So I will stop and no longer direct my posts to you, otherwise we will be running around in circles and wasting time.
From: Haiti
guillermo N
'Maybe you are not a "thick head" but because of the language barrier, your reading comprehension seems to need improvement in order for us to have a productive and constructive conversation. It appears as if you continue to misinterpret my posts and/or take it out of context.'
what language barrier? I'm not trying to write in your native language but in English!
I have enough vocabulary, i must try to put words in order, but i have enough
I don't have any problem of comprehension! if you spoke french you will see the order of the world is different, but i understand you perfectly, and i dont misinterpret your posts! You know that!
don't take as pretext, i must improve my english!
Tell me where i misinterpret what you say?
From: Haiti
guillermo O
I don't take out of context all what you wrote! when i am wrong i admit i am in the wrong way!
you can decide to stop your post to me, but i stay here to tell the truth! if you're right, i will wrote you're right! but if you're wrong don't write ' .' It appears as if you continue to misinterpret my posts and/or take it out of context. '
do not judge a man because he comes from a country with social problems!
and do not forget that poverty does not affect the intelligence of a man!
From: United States
Ok, I will give you one quick English lesson, but just this one time. I am not here to teach English, but because you are struggling with the meaning of what was said, I will comply and explain.
When one states " o get that through your thick head or skull" although it can refer to intelect, in this case it does not necessarily mean you are a stupid or dum person. But rather, It is a common US American idiom, which implies efforts made to get someone, including oneself, to understand something. It has more to do with issues of stubborness then intelligence. Capich?
From: Haiti
I never ask you to teach me english, I think even if i do some mistakes, my level is not so bad!
Thank you, for those informations you gave me, for me it's not a quick lesson! But you know, I speak like the english! And i don't know all the 'us american idiom' sorry i don't live as you in usa.
but i can help you to speak or write like a man who from england! this english look like a lot of with the french language!
i ask myself, how you want that i guess if you refer to intelect or if you think about 'the us American idiom'
I am not in your head to guess that! and your written, you don't make the difference!
but to put a end with this story, i wish you a good day, and once again, if you want to know really how is haiti , ask me, all in the medias is not often the reality.
Clinton have ask to haitian to forgive him for his bad acts(rice in haiti). but we don't care about his forgiveness.
good day man! god bless HAITI
From: United States
Carajo !!!!! Utede lo'Haitiano si son tan enredao. Por eso e que estan jodio to.......
Tu has tomado una simple declaracion y lo ha virado al reves y ha creado un lio sin necesidad...............
Yo he estado en Haiti muchas veces y es lo mismo igual que tu Kiskeyaman, por cualquier cosita ustedes entran en una discusion y polemica...Que complicado son todos. Lo siento mucho por ustedes que Dios les tenga misericordia................
From: Haiti
GENEROSO
cogno,
you don't have chance, i understand spanish language! Stop to tell the haitians are complicated.
Haitians are less complicated than a lost of Dominicans. I know perfectly DOMINICAN REP, I know a dominican who have several children who raise in haiti, He scared, the dominicans like him, because those children are half haitians and half Dominicans! he told me, those dominicans hate a lot of haitians, and they are frustrade. He prefer raise those children in Haiti, but those children know perfectly DOMINICAN REP! But those children tell him, they don't want to come here for studies, because he hate the mentality of DOMINICANS!
I understand that more, when i across the border. He think i am dominicans and i hear what you told about the haitians! those people are like you NOGENEROSO.
From: Haiti
RONEVANE generoso
Please i think you are a honest man, do you understand of the same way as me, what NOGENEROSO have wrote about HAITI.
DOMINICANS HERE, Don't let any other dominicans like GENEROSO tell you crap about haiti.
You have so problem in DR like criminals, robber, rape. give a break to haitians, a courageous people who lead always fighting for a better life in his country.
GENEROSO, i don't think you already be come in HAITI. All you Will say in spanish language, I will understand that. i know you find a sens in your live when you critic haiti, but you know, you can help DR, begin by come back to live in your paradise, and help your nation, but don't bring the hate in the heart of your countrymen. It's not the good things to do!
viva haiti, viva los haitianos, un gran pueblo
Written by: RonEvane, 11 Sep 2011 8:20 PM
From: United States, Gaithersburg, Maryland
Kiskeyaman>
What we have here is a combination of hatred, misunderstandings, fear, suspicions,ignorance and just plain racism. And it works on both sides of the border. What we Dominicans and Haitians alike, fail to see is that we will not resolve this big mess, difficult situation, unless we can work together to prosper together.
We Dominican can do much but you, Haitians, need to strive hard to find solutions wherever or however you can find them. It is your responsibility to come to terms with your predicament and not leave it up to other countries to resolve them for you.
Coming over to DR. en-masse, only aggravates our tenuous and shaky relations. Our impoverished country cannot afford the influx of hundreds of thousands more who, like many Dominicans, cannot afford even the most basic of needs.
As long as Haiti ignores it's duty, obligation, responsibility as a sovereign nation, unable to take care of itself, will only prolong the status quo and the misery that goes with it.
From: Haiti
RONEVANE
Now we have a new president, he is different of Preval who don't make efford to change the image of our country! despite the lass of experience of MARTELLY, i think he going to do his duty! a lot of haitians claims the departure of MINUSTHA. A lot of HAITIANS CLAIM A NEW ARMY to protect our border, because a lot of DOMINICANS COME steal the animals of the haitian and protect the border.
From: Haiti
RONEVANE
You don't answer my question man!
'It is your responsibility to come to terms with your predicament and not leave it up to other countries to resolve them for you."
You know, all haitians don't want leave other countries come resolve our problem for us! After the earthquake, a lot of citizen of other countries come to haiti to find a job! Haiti is a great enterprise for a lot of foreign citizen who don't work in their own country. Don't judge the government haitians like all citizen of haiti! you going make a great mistake! All citizen haitians is tired about the birdbrain who have managed us
From: Haiti
ronevane
ming over to DR. en-masse, only aggravates our tenuous and shaky relations.'
Like you said, if We works together,we can change the situations! the haitians love haiti, he comes in your home because he don't have the choice!
For change that, we must change the ancestral enterprise we have in haiti! we must have new haitians who create several enterprise not enough for their own familly but for all haitians!
Haiti is a rich country, the big problem is our government, but don't worry, i bet we will going a new haitian, for the haitians not the NGO, who came her for divise those countries.
Our impoverished country cannot afford the influx of hundreds of thousands more who, like many Dominicans, cannot afford even the most basic of needs.
it's not only the case for dr, puerto rico can take all DOMINICANS,
From: Haiti
RONEVANE END
As long as Haiti ignores it's duty, obligation, responsibility as a sovereign nation, unable to take care of itself, will only prolong the status quo and the misery that goes with it.
YOU KNOW, soon we going to build a new army, build haiti with new airports, send 140 000 youngs at school free!
And make bussness for devlopment, i believe we going a new HAITI, a lot of HAITIANS, works so hard to change this country, THOSE POLITIC HAITIANS, begin to understand, the NGO is not here to developp our country, A LOT OF COURAGEAOUS HAITIANS WORKS FOR HAITI EVERYWHERE RONEVANE.
ANSWER TO MY QUESTION ABOUT GENEROSE PLEASE
Written by: Nehesy, 12 Sep 2011 6:51 AM
From: France, Paris
French are the biggest cowards on earth and they did not win a war since Napoleon. Their @ss has been whupped by Haitians, Germans many times, by Vietnamese (Dien Bien Phu). During WWII France was the Sosua of the German, ("Horizontal Collaboration") . At least 200000 babies were born from German soldiers/French Mothers during all WWII.
French are seen as cowards all over Europe, their government edicted laws against the jews that not even Hitler and the Nazis did in Germany.
In the document posted by Kiskeyaman you can read that French helped to make a "coup d'etat" in Haiti in 2003, because they don't want to pay back their debt (see paragraph 6 ).
Haitians are paying the price of their independence, it's only racism, they did not, they (France and imperialists) have not accept that defeat. In 1776 the New country called US fought the british to get their independence ( for economic reasons) but they did not face the same troubles.
Written by: RonEvane, 12 Sep 2011 1:54 PM
From: United States, Gaithersburg, Maryland
Kiskeyaman:
Who or what is 'GENEROSE"?
What on earth are you talking about?
Nehesy:
I take it you don't like the French, so......What are you doing living in Paris?
From: Haiti
RON EVANE
GENEROSO wrote i misinterpret their posts and/or take it out of context, do you think the same things?
Are you try to understand what Nehesy and I wrote you?
To answer to the question you put to NEHESY, do you think the DOMINICANS who lived in USA, love the Americans?
No, i don't think! you know you can hate the actions of a NATIONS and live in his country!
Written by: RonEvane, 12 Sep 2011 11:37 PM
From: United States, Gaithersburg, Maryland
Kiskeyaman, I stand corrected. Thank you for your input.
Written by: Nehesy, 13 Sep 2011 3:28 AM
From: France, Paris
@ Ronevane
I don't like the French institutions : Government, Foreign policies against 1/3 world countries, the colonization, the huge participation in the african slave trade (their kings) , what they did to the jews during WWII i.e. their imperialist policy in general.
French history is full of interesting and great people. I'm in paris because I was born and raised here in Paris suburbs.Generally speaking France is a racist country, in 2002 the Far Right party ( Front National) was at the 2nd round of the presidency election. The riots of 2005 can be explained by their hypocrite/rampant racism.
However many French are great people and it's only a "divide to rule policy" from their government.
Racism I guess is everywhere ( I lived in London for 4 yrs), but French racism is one the worst. Thy is why they had the Haitian Revolution , NO slave masters in the new world (even if many of them were monsters) acted like those of Saint Domingue.
Written by: RonEvane, 13 Sep 2011 3:43 PM
From: United States, Gaithersburg, Maryland
@Nehesy
I hear you loud and clear! I too, don't agree with the US's foreign policies and the waste of billions and thousands of human lives in meaningless, fruitless wars. . But generally speaking, North Americans are extremely generous and sympathetic. It is rather counter-intuitive, that the hate and racism I've felt here have come from some African-Americans, not whites.
I owe the US plenty for all the opportunity offered to me. I can't complain. Nevertheless, it ain't home. I'll be going back to DR to stay for good in 2012. I love my DR,warts and all.
Written by: riosm, 13 Sep 2011 3:53 PM
From: United States
RonEvane
I totally agree 100%
Check your mail on DT..
From: Haiti
RONEVANE
Good luck for your come back in your country! God bless you for the courage you have to come back in your country!
For complete what wrote NEHESY, I know very well france and i have a lot of penpal. France have a lot of countries like MARTINIQUE and GUADELOUPE, yet they treat the people of those countries like strangers because they are blacks!
They french are very ignorant, idiots, racism,they keep their side of colonialism!
Usa is very different of france. A black or a stranger have more chance to become a great director in USA than in FRANCE! they french people,dislike greet, they hate say,'excuse' when they crush your feet you especially in paris!
Written by: Nehesy, 14 Sep 2011 6:10 AM
From: France, Paris
@ Ronevane
I agree with you no better than home. And I respect you for that cause at least you know roots.
I would say that France ain't home either (even if born here), I cannot complain of my professional situation (many foreigners : belgium, asians,africans have MDs, PHDs but can't find the job they want) . I don't want my children to experience this painful "system"...
On my side I have many years to work before retirement but it will be in Africa or the West Indies ==> No way I stay in France.
Anyway we plan soon to move for US or Middle East ==> More interesting career opportunities, I have to build up a strong career before going back and helping a 1/3 country with my skills
Written by: RonEvane, 14 Sep 2011 12:50 PM
From: United States, Gaithersburg, Maryland
@Nehesy.
In life, we all seek a benign and bountiful place to live in. When I was young, back in the early 60's, our family emigrated to the US, mainly because of the civil war raging at the time (in DR), and also because it is a place where the opportunities for a good life abound. My ex wife and I raised our children in a place (Maryland) where growing up is healthy and void of too much trauma.
I surely hope that you find such a place, friend. We, as parents, owe our children the best possible environment in which to grow and prosper. I wish you well in your search for your nirvana. It may be difficult, but it's out there, somewhere. Of that, you can be sure.
From: Haiti
NEHESY
Come in my house, we have some Africans here who make a good work!
the last Africans i hear, he from cote ivoire, he work with Clinton and he live in haiti since 14 years and he have this own enterprise, he makes an excellent work in the domain of fish farming(pisciculture), thanks to him, the haitians farmer win more 2000 usd dollars by year!
He going want with a famous haitian who create artificial lac for growing the trees!
A lot of project will begin soon,we want some people who love the haitians and haiti.
Haiti is a virgin country, If you have idea, you can succeed!
With the future government, we going to change the bad situation!
DIGICEL, is an excellent enterprise, all people said don't go to haiti, now DIGICEL have 6 millions subscribers.
From: Haiti
NEHESY
Come in my house, we have some Africans here who make a good work!
the last Africans i hear, he from cote ivoire, he work with Clinton and he live in haiti since 14 years and he have this own enterprise, he makes an excellent work in the domain of fish farming(pisciculture), thanks to him, the haitians farmer win more 2000 usd dollars by year!
He going want with a famous haitian who create artificial lac for growing the trees!
A lot of project will begin soon,we want some people who love the haitians and haiti.
Haiti is a virgin country, If you have idea, you can succeed!
With the future government, we going to change the bad situation!
DIGICEL, is an excellent enterprise, all people said don't go to haiti, now DIGICEL have 6 millions subscribers.
Written by: RonEvane, 15 Sep 2011 1:56 AM
From: United States, Gaithersburg, Maryland
Kiskeyaman:
La democratie ne peut pas arrete. La democratie ne pout tout faire! Vive le peuple Hatiens!
Written by: Nehesy, 15 Sep 2011 4:30 AM
From: France, Paris
@ Ronevane
Amen ! And enjoy your deserved retirement in your beautiful country
@ Kiskeyaman
I'll think about that
From: Haiti
RONEVANE
I like your last sentences. You writen that in french! Ron it's a pleasure to write you, because you have a lot of quality; You are a great DOMINICANS, in front of someone like you, I wish you a lot of good things when you going in your country! i hope a day we can wish a warm welcome to all people like you whatever their colours,their nations. i hope you will give us your news here, when you come back in DR. You think return when?
Written by: RonEvane, 15 Sep 2011 7:43 PM
From: United States, Gaithersburg, Maryland
Kiskeyaman:
I hope to have all my obligations, here in the US, taken care of by June of 2012.
I certainly will keep posting,once back in DR, and for as long as I'm allowed to do so.
Do you live in Haiti, my brother?
From: Haiti
RONEVANE
Yes, I live in Haiti, maybe a day i will meet you!
Written by: RonEvane, 19 Sep 2011 9:07 PM
From: United States, Gaithersburg, Maryland
I sincerily hope so. We may be able to, somehow, help our respective nations become interdipendent for the good of all!
We may meet someday. You never know!.
take care.
From: Haiti
RONEVANE
Ok take care too
now the police of the two countries works together to protect the island against the dealer of drug, and the thiefs!
From: United States
Police arrest two Haitians for killing Frenchman
The National Police arrested two Haitians yesterday for the gruesome slaying of a Frenchman who lived in Las Terrenas. According to El Nuevo Diario the Police found the victim's motorcycle and several other items that belonged to Jerone Veste Pass who lived in La Playa section of the beach community. The two who were arrested, Madeline Charles and Samuel Minius (22 and 24 years old) have admitted the killing
From: Haiti
back them to haiti!
From: United States
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The Washington Post recently focused on the high cost that the Dominican Republic health system incurs as a result of the large numbers of Haitian women who migrate illegally with the main intention of giving birth in Dominican hospitals free of charge. In a report on the situation, The Washington Post writes that most migrant women have no papers, "but the armed Dominican soldiers guarding the gate dividing the two countries let most of them through."
They come because they don't have access to health care in Haiti, especially since last year's earthquake. They come because they can get free health care in the Dominican Republic each year, and so that they can have their babies in hospitals instead of on the floors of their homes," www.washingtonpost.com/world/americas/women-leaving-haiti-to-give-birth/2011/08/12/gIQAN9YyXJ_story.html
So sad.....why have babies they can't afford to feed and raise in the first place ? That's unfair and cruel to the innocent child.
It's almost the same situation in the U.S with Mexican and central American illegals, only we call them anchor babies.
It's used as a neat little ploy to strike at the heart and soul of a nation called "keeping families together".
dude go shove a huge D*ck up your filthy haitian @ss .
1st. Dominicans don't consider themselves as white you idiot, that's just pure afrocentric speculations and afrocentric goals to make us look bad, we're mix people, of any race/ or and color.
2nd. You haitians are everywhere and no ones likes you, even the blacks and mulattoes from The Bahamas don't like your presence.
3rd. Dominicans immigrate for a better life or what ever reasons true, but unlike you filthy haitians we don't have 10 kids we can't afford to raise, and we are more united and stronger. :)
So F*ck off and get your gay @ss out of this forum and return to haitianxchange where you belong dumb ugly b*tch,
(don't have anything else to say to you here, bye ).. :)
Haitians come to DR out of desperation. It's sad and cruel the way we react to people in dire need of the most basic necessities of life. Where is your sense of compassion?
With such desperation and need in Haiti and were stuck with a self made spokesmen Kmaninacave. You should read some of his past postings on other DT articles, still we don't broad bass brush one outrageous misguided Haitian over the Haitian people. That in it's self is proof.
After all these years the Haitian people have over looked the inhuman treatment of there own people at the hands of their bossman's and the Haitian Gov.
Haiti the nanny country of the world on what not to do. At what point will the world say enough is enough ?
Haitians must re-build there own country they can start by reforestation project [fruit trees a must].
I've always said what effects one effects all, after all we share the same Island.
May I add.....what really ticks many Dominicans off including myself is the idea that both country's should unite as one.....
Now that's crazy talk !
I could see it now....the U.S uniting with Mexico.
Kiskeyamen isn't at all in needs, his lazy ass is living off of welfare and he's a cunt living in the US with all this opportunities around him.
The solution to this situation is complex and requires massive aid ( to Haiti) that has yet to materilize. When and if it ever does come, things may get better for us all. In the meantime, we, as humane beings must do what we can to help our needy neightbour regardless of our differences.
Part of the problem the way I see it is many Haitians know that there are many caring people in this world, most Haitians not all in their mind set have come to the conclusion......so why even try !
Many Haitians [this generation] just sit and wait until the next man made or natural catastrophe hit's then wait for the world aide to come flooding in, mind you of all the aide donated that makes it to Haiti less then 10% of it actually gets to the intended peoples, where's The accountability ?
I'm surprised Sean da Penn-head has even lasted this long, I believe in own his stubbornness he refuses to accept Haiti is a lost cause. He's even been shun by the rich Hollywood type.
Also one has to ask.....with all the rich U.S Black rappers, movie stars, athletics [Oprah] etc..etc.. very few if any give a SH&% about Haiti....say what ! No race card there ?
The DR in the current financial situation were in still aides Haiti, I have to ask why ?
Why? because we have no other choice! We're stuck with with this mess!
And what are we to do? Build a wall, as some here have suggested? Kill them as they cross the Masacre river?
How are we to cope with this problem? And it's gonna get worse, no doubt!
So what if we didn't help them? as you hint, what do you think would be the result of that?
I'll leave that for you to answer.
I don't have all the answer's how about this for starters.....
The DR has done more of it's share. This mess was never our problem to begin with, we've become part of their problem by helping Haiti without any limits.
Build a wall and fire those Dominican border guards who are violating the law.
Give the Haitians limited work permits at a small monthly tax fee. Those found in the DR with no work permits deny them work permits for up to one year then deport them.
Hold the Haitian Gov. responsible for not blocking their own border.
At what point will the Haitian people realize the people of Haiti must take control of there own country's destiny by rebuilding their own country.
Give give give, take take take we have created part of their problem a dependent nanny country with no hope for there future.
The choice is simple I'm all for helping like.....helping Haiti to help it's self.
These Army apes are out to make a proffit just like everyone else in present day government.
So it's every rat for himself. Never mind what tomorrow brings or whatever the consequences.
I'm here to get my dues, screw the system!
Haitians are no different!
The problem is complex an effort must be made, the problem will remain the same until the DR Gov. takes firm action. I agree many border officials take bribes. What's needed is honest border agents to do conduct random patrols and second entrance checks for permits not far from the border.
The idea of "never mind what tomorrow brings" freaks me out, what next vigilante justice ?
Take care.
You're right about the gov. taking firm action. But I doubt it will happen under Leonel's whatch.
I'm hoping our next president will make it a priority of safe-guarding DR's integrity.
If this crisis continues unchecked, DR will pay dearly with our economy tanking down to what it was 30 years ago, or worse!
Take care.
'dude go shove a huge D*ck up your filthy haitian @ss .
1st. Dominicans don't consider themselves as white you idiot, that's just pure afrocentric speculations and afrocentric goals to make us look bad, we're mix people, of any race/ or and color.'
You are very dumf, and it's sad to see even if you are in usa, you and your crap riosm, are idiot. You don't know what happen in your country. A lot of DOMINICAN believe they are white. You think the same things, Ron EVANE can see what you are writting in the site for see how you ae very racist! you cultive the hartre in your live, you hate the haitians! but you hate me because i try to defend my countrymen! And i told too much truth! bunch of ignorant don't know like dr, at haiti we have a lot of mix people even if not like DR.
'2nd. You haitians are everywhere and no ones likes you, even the blacks and mulattoes from The Bahamas don't like your presence. '
AHAHAHHAHA you are a little child, stop your blindness!
In MARTINIQUE, GUADELOUPE, especially in puerto RICO, and a lot of country like usa, they hate DOMINICANS not only because your presence, but also because your first job is the prostitution!
We, Haitians are everywhere but we don't stole, don't practice like you in a great scale the prostitution! the haitians don't forget the own brother that he leaves in HAITI!
The two country in the carribean who leave their own country are HAITIANS and DOMINICANS.
Stupid you don't know that? All people who leave their country if to find a better live, it's the same for the HAITIANS!
So F*ck off and get your gay @ss out of this forum and return to haitianxchange where you belong dumb ugly b*tch,
F*ck you m*ther f*cker and now i am here to educate you and a lot of your countrymen!
I am here, and you must told me thank you father KISKEYA!
You put your big ass in USA, and you come here in my site (AHAHAHAHAHA) to told a lot of stupid things! VIVA HAITIA
Part of the problem the way I see it is many Haitians know that there are many caring people in this world, most Haitians not all in their mind set have come to the conclusion......so why even try !
Many Haitians [this generation] just sit and wait until the next man made or natural catastrophe hit's then wait for the world aide to come flooding in, mind you of all the aide donated that makes it to Haiti less then 10% of it actually gets to the intended peoples, where's The accountability ?
You see RONEVANE? this little child who is RIOSM, have a lot of bias?
'most Haitians not all in their mind set have come to the conclusion' You believe you are GOD? you are in the mind of all haitians? you are a f*ck man riosm el M*r*cone! You are very limited!
I hope all dominicans are not idiot, like you!
The DR in the current financial situation were in still aides Haiti, I have to ask why ?
You know why? because haiti help DR even if you don't believe that! A lot of HAITI in DR work in DR. THE UNBALANCE TRADE Help DR. AND THAT a little idiot like you who stay in usa can not understand that! It's very sad to see a man who live in usa, haven't got even knowledge and mind for discern some things!
The DR has done more of it's share. This mess was never our problem to begin with, we've become part of their problem by helping Haiti without any limits.'
'you helping Haiti without any limits? give me the details of your help without limits!
'Build a wall and fire those Dominican border guards who are violating the law' The things have changed in all country even haiti you dislike. again once time DR can not build a wall because haiti is its second trading partner after the United States.
You can not fire the border guards because it's thanks the haitians a lot of among them eat!
if a government of the Dominican Rep did that there will be civil war
and adios la estabilización ahahahahaha
Give the Haitians limited work permits at a small monthly tax fee. Those found in the DR with no work permits deny them work permits for up to one year then deport them. Hold the Haitian Gov. responsible for not blocking their own border. And after? what will hapening? If he did not block the own border?
Let me told you, i think you don't know the actual situation, now you have the pnh who blocking a part of the boarder. But the border is very big, with what money you want a country like haiti and DR for blocking all the border! If you do that, a lot of little people DR and HAITI will stuck!
At what point will the Haitian people realize the people of Haiti must take control of there own country's destiny by rebuilding their own country.
Give give give, take take take we have created part of their problem a dependent nanny country with no hope for there future
IF YOU WRITTE THAT is because you are sick or you make pretend.
you confuse the Haitian people and government idiots we had in Haiti.
The people suffer, and the money which from other countries for help us, the majority of them are in the hands of NGOs that do not care about anything.
you must close your mouth when you don't know anything about a subject
congratulations for your understanding! i meet three dominicans in the site, i respect! ARCANGEL and another who have the father who fall in the war against the AMERICAN.
I respect all people who don't have the same view like me!
I don't respect the people ignorant and dum like riosma and ateo!
A lot of people hate me because i don't share their point of view! I'ts my duty to tell what the problem between the two countries! It's my duty to told you, you are right if what you say is right but in the mutual respect!
If the AMERICAN was took the ISLAND is because the hatred a lot of DOMINICAN CULTIVE!
they two idiots are expect i stay nice when he critic and he told a lot of racist word and a lot of bad word about my country! Wake up, all haitians don't cultive the complex of inferiority as you see maybe all days in the border! A lot of bias you have is not truth
dr needs to seal its border........no movement of goods or people..
if dominicans could grow some balls then they could seal their border.
i am haitian and if it was the reverse...i would form a kkk to burn the dominicans out.
grow some balls and stop whining
I can't blame you for your anger. What we as human beings fail to acknowledge is that we're in this world together. We must fix what ails us together or we will surely perish together!
The main reason for wars stem out of ignorance and ethnophobia sprinkle with a little religious fanatism.
Blaming one or the other will never, ever, accomplish a thing. We must get over our suspicions and biased mentality by working together for the betterment of both our nations. There is no other way! Logic says so!
Finally you got it !
You do realize Haiti's problem. Then your problem is with NGO not the Dominican people go lash your anger and frustration out on them.
Man-up and fix your own Gov. & bossman problem while your ad it too.
Try loving your fellow man you'll find out that you first must love yourself.
One can't give what one does not have.
SIMPLE ADVICE....don't start something that you can't stop.
Blaming one or the other will never, ever, accomplish a thing. We must get over our suspicions and biased mentality by working together for the betterment of both our nations. There is no other way! Logic says so!
I want to work with a people who have mutual respect! If the dominicans come work to help us in a domain he is expert why not! But it is the same for the dominicans? I don't know.
I blaming no people, except the people frustrated and racist like RIOSM.
Are you see the post of RIOSM? it's a shame for DR to have a little shit like him!
'Man-up and fix your own Gov. & bossman problem while your ad it too.
Try loving your fellow man you'll find out that you first must love yourself.
One can't give what one does not have.'
RIOSM, DR IS FOR THE foreign investors, you are so blind to don't see that! IN DR YOU HAVE SO MANY bossman. Your government are corrupt too! keep your advice for you and your country which is now usa! DR don't know your existence, you are so frustrated about that.
Haiti know my existence because i work so hard for all HAITIANS! AND I LOVE MY COUNTRy.
And don't spend your time to critic my country then your country have a lot of poor person like my country! HAITI, you dislike a day, you going to see another image!
Once again I give you this advice, look at the crap that is in your eyes instead of looking at the speck that is in the eyes of your neighbor!
Along with the impoverished illiterate masses, there are also thousands of well educated, talented, intelligent and if anything, hard working Haitians all over the world that given the opportunity, can one day help turn the country around. But that aint gonna happen my friends, because those powerful external forces apparently are greater then the will of the people. Haiti is doomed and will eventually disappear into thin air.
"Haiti will never amount to anything"??
That's a very negative outlook. Well, then. How do you account for our (DR), relative prosperity?
I'm old enought to remember, and history tells us, that we were no better-off politically and economically in the 40's and 50's than Haiti was.
What made us surge ahead was mostly a better educational system under Trujillo.
If Duvalier had care more about it, Haiti may have prospered on a par with us.
Haiti could have been, but it's not. It's all politics and luck!
the prophet of doom;
be careful if "haiti is doomed and will eventually disappear into thin air".
DOMINICAN REPUBLIC WILL ALSO DISAPPEAR BECAUSE IS THE SAME ISLAND
BEFORE A LOT OF DOMINICAN COME IN HAITI to take our example!
THE DOMINICANS DEMANDED OUR HELP TO BUILD DOMINICAN REP
SINCE 86 HAITI is in this situation!
Along with the impoverished illiterate masses, there are also thousands of well educated, talented, intelligent and if anything, hard working Haitians all over the world that given the opportunity, can one day help turn the country around
AAHAHHAHHAHA I SEE YOUR IGNORANCE! You have more one million of haitians who is well educated, talented, intelligent.
Once again the problem of HAITI is politic, if we have serious man who lead this country, we can catch DOMINICAN REP!
I Can bet about that! our great problem is onely politic!
What was the purpose of your comment in the first place or did you not read my whole post?
It is happening today with Afganistan, Iraq, Cuba, Libya and to any country or world leader that tries to defy present day superpowers. But Haiti has been and always be the worse of them all. That is why in spite of the will of the people and the millions in financial aide or otherwise, there has been little to no improvement.
Let us not fool ourselves, no political leader can solve the problems of Haiti. It is the int'l community which rules and controls their destiny, like they do with everyone else, determines the future and final outcome of all countries in the western hemisphere
I want to thank you for an extensive and well-worded history lesson. I read and re-read your posts to make sure I understood you well.
For the most part, I totally agree with you on Haiti being what it is, and what it hasn't done to improve it's lot. It's truely a "basket case". But I disagree with you on that "education has nothing to do with it". As a matter of fact, it has EVERYTHING to do with it!. I am a diehard proponent of educating our children. This being the MOST essential, necessary and indispensable tool that can make a world of difference in what is happening today in Haiti and DR. and whether we can prosper together.
Our differences are many, but what stands out the most, is the inability for Haiti to govern itself. The reason for this is obviously the lack of an educated population.
And let's no pretend that we're so smart ourselves. We have a long way to go before we can even THINK like a first-world nation.
I don't know what else we can do to make things better. But one thing's for sure, if we're to prosper ourselves, we MUST help our neighbour in any way we can, to do the same. If nothing's done, we'll be in for a long and miserable, deep-shit situation with no end in sight! Alas!
' Haiti was required to get into a "debt" of 150 million francs to France as the price of their freedom and to be eligible participants in the world markets,'
this sum will demanded by the france in 1825 under the reign of Charles X.
it's not francs but gold franc, if you convert this mountain in euro, it's arount 17-21 billions of euros, Aristide was been attacked by the france because he ask this money who was a ransom requested by the France, despite haitians have win the battle of vertieres with their own blood! Haitians have paid all money to france.
'Kiskeyaman-Why did you take my comment out of context and contradicted '
Ho i don't take your comment out of context, but i contradicted you because a great part of you have wrote are wrong!
first, when you wrote Haiti will never be forgiven, forever penalized, regardless of what appeared to be a false opportunity given to make reparations for the the violence committed against the French and the lost of the colony.
What violence haiti commit agains the French? tell me what will be your reaction if someone kill your brother, beat your family for a lot of century? correct your sentence, we have led fight with courage against france, a country which have commit a lot of violence about the human that the french considered like Animals! If you cry about the french it's you are a master of slave in your head!
'Haiti has not only been unable to service its debt' inform yourself haiti have paid this sum which is not a debt but once again a ransom!
'It is never more evident as we observe the most dire social conditions any human can bare. It is a country which lacks among many other things the ability to feed itself, has no access to clean and potable water, unable to send their children to school, no viable transportation system and to put it mildly, inadequate health services for its people'
yo men, we work now to give free a education to the children of the street! to the children who don't have the means to go to school. This year 140 000 children will going free to school! at time i wrote that, we have a great enterprise of france which work with the haitian enterprise who give the water to haitians. thanks to this collaboration we begin to have water potable! like before the eartquake.
http://www.diplomatiegov.info/openletter.fr.html
in the year 1950 all the sum was give by haiti! 1/3 of budget of france came from haiti!
July 2010, after the earthquake, a wrong website of the french Ministry of Foreign Affairs announced loudly the intention of France to repay the sums received after the freedom of haiti!
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we need that the freedom are not be for only the white but all human whatever your colour! the white man made a lot of money thanks to slavery, catholic church was accepted that the black people are not humans, it's for that, I decided to leave this religion.Haiti has give example by a lot of nations! before when you are black slave if you arrived in haiti you become free! haiti is the mother of universel
'They created the conditions where Haiti will never be allowed to grow and prosper, but left alone to die, condemned to a life of backwardness and misery'.
look the past, haiti was rich before 1935 and we habe been a master in the affairs of tourist untill 1960-80! your government came for take example!Haiti is down since 1986, it's the fault of a part of haitians not onely all haitians, don't confuse!it's the fault of the great country like USA-CANADA-FRANCE-SPAGNE, because haiti help a lot of country like the Venezuela, DR,to become independent! because haiti give the example!
'Because we don't know what will be the actual dynamics that will eventually lead to its demise nor what the direct implications will be for the DR, we must hope for the best but prepare for the worst. When Haiti is gone, the remaining survivers will flood our gates and tear it down. It is only logical and instinctive to run for your life. There will be an uncontrollable stampede of refugees, incalculable numbers of unprecendented proportions'
listen to me, it's the hope of the great countries of see the disapear of HAITI! but i saw that the wish of many ignorant Dominicans as you is to see the disapear of haiti too!
but sorry for you, we make a lot of work to rebuild the country! stop to hate haiti which is not your foe!
stop to encourage the hatred between the two nations! go to visit but don't bring with you your hate! the wheel will turn!
'Haiti is in agony, a basket case with no end in sight, not even the slightest hint of light at the end of the tunnel. Haiti can not and will neither be able to pay its debt nor is eligible for debt relief’.
'AHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHHA Stop to say a lot of crap! inform yourself before to spitting your venom with arrogance! Haiti is not a basket case especially now! a light of hope is come back after the elections! now the main problem is the miss of government! soon will be have a new prime minister GARRY CONY a man who work for o.n.u. stop to see only what all media tell!
come to our agony to make holyday: Ile a vache
http://www.tripadvisor.fr/Locatio....1025359-w5-Ile_a_Vache_Haiti.html
haiti is not only Port au prince!
. It would be foolish and naive for the DR to think otherwise, that things will work out for them. Haiti or any country for that matter, will do what it takes to hold on to its last breath of air and anyone in a similar situation will do the same thing, particularly where life and death are concerned and the security and livelihood of its people are at stake.
I want to thank you for an extensive and well-worded history lesson. I read and re-read your posts to make sure I understood you well.
AHAHAHAHAHAH , your new name is prophet of doom.
look after your country, give a break to haiti, it's really, that a lot of country hate haiti because the fight for the right!
now we must fight for our country, haiti in first, we can do a 2nd revolution, that of economy!
‘They are like beggars on a street corner that rely on donations from strangers for immediate survival, but long term is simply unsustainable. Haiti is destined to disappear off the Island of Hispaniola and what ever is left will be absorbed by its neighbors the Dominican Republic.’
AAHHAHAHAHAAH it's your hope, nobody in haiti, want to be absorbed by your country, we are too pride for to be leave absorbed by another poor country! I am sur you hate yourself! a lot of dominicans are poor and stay in corner of your street for ask donations! you have in your country a lot of beggars! The preval government was a lot of beggars, i think you are right, but now the aim of my president is to stop the donations, he want developp our isles for receive the tourism!
now, a lot of haitian will go free in school!
and a lot of your countrymen work now in haiti.
Haiti give you work now! All dominicans don't think like you fortunately! let me tell you haiti don't have to pay debt! DOMINICAN must to pay around 60-70 billions of debt.
HELP YOUR COUNTRY TO REPAY THIS SUM!
I wish you a good travel in ile à vache
You can go in jacmel it's a beautiful place! a little different of ile à vache(island cow)
as soon you can go in ile de la tortue(turtule island), l'ile de la gonave too and port de paix, (port of peace), les anglais,(the english), jeremie, and another beautiful place where you have a lot of courageous haitians! and very kind!
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For the most part, I totally agree with you on Haiti being what it is, and what it hasn't done to improve it's lot.'
Let me tell you, the great problem of haiti is politic, we had in the past, a lot of idiot who lead this country, but the people are not guilty! a lot of haitians are killed to fight because he want a better life.now haiti know the democratic system, and the people shows he wants a better life. They went in several elections, and the haitians citizen, remained standing for 10 hours.
Our differences are many, but what stands out the most, is the inability for Haiti to govern itself. The reason for this is obviously the lack of an educated population.
the real difference are the manner, the willing have your government to develop your country. Even i think with 4 billions you receive from tourist you can do better! but your government show you port au prince to calm the dominicans.
now we have a willing group and a new president who want reduce the corrupt, manage haiti in the good way, but a group of shit want to discourage him, because preval give them a lot of money for nothing.
Martelly tell, the time to beggars is finish, we have like DR, cuba, jamaica, a lot of beautiful place, a lot of beach with white sand! especially a nice people! it's time to change the bad pictures.
Let me tell you in the 1950 years, the system of education in haiti was the best! FATHER DUVALIER kill a lot of people who have knowledge! A lot of haitian flee haiti around 1960 to help a lot of AFRICAN who take their independence.
You know, all HAITIANS know the value of EDUCATION, it's for that, a lot of haitians go to studies in DR, CUBA, usa, france everywhere!
HAITIAN FAMILY prefer stay hungry for send those children at school!
A lot of radio shows more and more the importance of EDUCATION!
the problem is since two decenies, the government do nothing to grow the level of education!
and now MARTELLY WANT make something to improve the system! a lot of people will go soon at school for the first time.
I don't know what else we can do to make things better. But one thing's for sure, if we're to prosper ourselves, we MUST help our neighbour in any way we can, to do the same. If nothing's done, we'll be in for a long and miserable, deep-shit situation with no end in sight! Alas!
Don't worry, Haiti have a diaspora willing to help, but they wait a sign of Martelly and a new government!
Martelly put in place a new system, the aim of the system is to help the education!
he take money for the person who send money in haiti : 1,5 us dollars, the person who call in haiti, he takes 5 cents by second.
I hope i answer you!
I know my english is not very well but since 5 months, i began to learn this language!
I speak better!!! After english, i would want to speak the germans! here a lot of people from GERMANY COME HERE!
I WRITE- SPEAK french, creole perfectly!
That's good.
My Spanish sucks it's mixed with half of the Latin American country's, that's what happens in America. I understand a little Portuguese and French.
As always one learns the slang, cuss words and foods before anything.
Remember people will always be people....with the same want's and needs.
ALL take care.
Let me give you just one example. The US in the mid-1990s encouraged Haiti to dramatically cut tariffs on imported U.S. rice. While it was good business for American farmers, it devastated food production in Haiti. The US destroyed the agricultural industry because they dumped and flooded under priced food items on to the Haitian market. Unable to make a profit, they put the local producers out of business. Now Haiti has to import everything to be able to feed itself.
Kiskeyaman don't be fooled by politicians. They threw you a bone to keep you happy and entertained, then tell you they are helping and doing you a favor, while at the same time keep the thick, juicy cut of beef for themselves.
Because i am not agree with you, you call me 'thick head'? AHAAHHAHAHA i am not stupid!
I showed you, all you said is not true!
All haitians know that the international community play with haiti. each time, the usa told he give 300 million to haiti, in fact, it's not haiti which receive this sum but their NGO.
But it's also the fault of the leader politic haitian, who don't have the courage to say the real truth. . but you know, the united lead also DR. Look WILKEAS.
I believe in god you know, and i say whatever the plan of the people in the world, Haiti will be continuous to exist! GOD is more strong! let me tell you a man who work in the o e a
Ricardo Seitenfus, represent O E A is fall in love of haiti, and try to help haiti, this man denounced an international conspiracy against Haiti. http://www.pagina12.com.ar/diario/contratapa/13-175261-2011-08-25-html read the last comments.
FACT ... We are all human beings, persons first, man or woman second and who cares what culture, color or tooth brush size you happen to like
Good for the reconcilliation efforts to all involved. Your work will never be done but the work must be done because we humans are jammed to the hilt with prejudice.
Maybe you are not a "thick head" but because of the language barrier, your reading comprehension seems to need improvement in order for us to have a productive and constructive conversation. It appears as if you continue to misinterpret my posts and/or take it out of context.
I never insulted your intelligence, but that is the way you took it. So I will stop and no longer direct my posts to you, otherwise we will be running around in circles and wasting time.
'Maybe you are not a "thick head" but because of the language barrier, your reading comprehension seems to need improvement in order for us to have a productive and constructive conversation. It appears as if you continue to misinterpret my posts and/or take it out of context.'
what language barrier? I'm not trying to write in your native language but in English!
I have enough vocabulary, i must try to put words in order, but i have enough
I don't have any problem of comprehension! if you spoke french you will see the order of the world is different, but i understand you perfectly, and i dont misinterpret your posts! You know that!
don't take as pretext, i must improve my english!
Tell me where i misinterpret what you say?
I don't take out of context all what you wrote! when i am wrong i admit i am in the wrong way!
you can decide to stop your post to me, but i stay here to tell the truth! if you're right, i will wrote you're right! but if you're wrong don't write ' .' It appears as if you continue to misinterpret my posts and/or take it out of context. '
do not judge a man because he comes from a country with social problems!
and do not forget that poverty does not affect the intelligence of a man!
When one states " o get that through your thick head or skull" although it can refer to intelect, in this case it does not necessarily mean you are a stupid or dum person. But rather, It is a common US American idiom, which implies efforts made to get someone, including oneself, to understand something. It has more to do with issues of stubborness then intelligence. Capich?
Thank you, for those informations you gave me, for me it's not a quick lesson! But you know, I speak like the english! And i don't know all the 'us american idiom' sorry i don't live as you in usa.
but i can help you to speak or write like a man who from england! this english look like a lot of with the french language!
i ask myself, how you want that i guess if you refer to intelect or if you think about 'the us American idiom'
I am not in your head to guess that! and your written, you don't make the difference!
but to put a end with this story, i wish you a good day, and once again, if you want to know really how is haiti , ask me, all in the medias is not often the reality.
Clinton have ask to haitian to forgive him for his bad acts(rice in haiti). but we don't care about his forgiveness.
good day man! god bless HAITI
Tu has tomado una simple declaracion y lo ha virado al reves y ha creado un lio sin necesidad...............
Yo he estado en Haiti muchas veces y es lo mismo igual que tu Kiskeyaman, por cualquier cosita ustedes entran en una discusion y polemica...Que complicado son todos. Lo siento mucho por ustedes que Dios les tenga misericordia................
cogno,
you don't have chance, i understand spanish language! Stop to tell the haitians are complicated.
Haitians are less complicated than a lost of Dominicans. I know perfectly DOMINICAN REP, I know a dominican who have several children who raise in haiti, He scared, the dominicans like him, because those children are half haitians and half Dominicans! he told me, those dominicans hate a lot of haitians, and they are frustrade. He prefer raise those children in Haiti, but those children know perfectly DOMINICAN REP! But those children tell him, they don't want to come here for studies, because he hate the mentality of DOMINICANS!
I understand that more, when i across the border. He think i am dominicans and i hear what you told about the haitians! those people are like you NOGENEROSO.
Please i think you are a honest man, do you understand of the same way as me, what NOGENEROSO have wrote about HAITI.
DOMINICANS HERE, Don't let any other dominicans like GENEROSO tell you crap about haiti.
You have so problem in DR like criminals, robber, rape. give a break to haitians, a courageous people who lead always fighting for a better life in his country.
GENEROSO, i don't think you already be come in HAITI. All you Will say in spanish language, I will understand that. i know you find a sens in your live when you critic haiti, but you know, you can help DR, begin by come back to live in your paradise, and help your nation, but don't bring the hate in the heart of your countrymen. It's not the good things to do!
viva haiti, viva los haitianos, un gran pueblo
What we have here is a combination of hatred, misunderstandings, fear, suspicions,ignorance and just plain racism. And it works on both sides of the border. What we Dominicans and Haitians alike, fail to see is that we will not resolve this big mess, difficult situation, unless we can work together to prosper together.
We Dominican can do much but you, Haitians, need to strive hard to find solutions wherever or however you can find them. It is your responsibility to come to terms with your predicament and not leave it up to other countries to resolve them for you.
Coming over to DR. en-masse, only aggravates our tenuous and shaky relations. Our impoverished country cannot afford the influx of hundreds of thousands more who, like many Dominicans, cannot afford even the most basic of needs.
As long as Haiti ignores it's duty, obligation, responsibility as a sovereign nation, unable to take care of itself, will only prolong the status quo and the misery that goes with it.
Now we have a new president, he is different of Preval who don't make efford to change the image of our country! despite the lass of experience of MARTELLY, i think he going to do his duty! a lot of haitians claims the departure of MINUSTHA. A lot of HAITIANS CLAIM A NEW ARMY to protect our border, because a lot of DOMINICANS COME steal the animals of the haitian and protect the border.
You don't answer my question man!
'It is your responsibility to come to terms with your predicament and not leave it up to other countries to resolve them for you."
You know, all haitians don't want leave other countries come resolve our problem for us! After the earthquake, a lot of citizen of other countries come to haiti to find a job! Haiti is a great enterprise for a lot of foreign citizen who don't work in their own country. Don't judge the government haitians like all citizen of haiti! you going make a great mistake! All citizen haitians is tired about the birdbrain who have managed us
ming over to DR. en-masse, only aggravates our tenuous and shaky relations.'
Like you said, if We works together,we can change the situations! the haitians love haiti, he comes in your home because he don't have the choice!
For change that, we must change the ancestral enterprise we have in haiti! we must have new haitians who create several enterprise not enough for their own familly but for all haitians!
Haiti is a rich country, the big problem is our government, but don't worry, i bet we will going a new haitian, for the haitians not the NGO, who came her for divise those countries.
Our impoverished country cannot afford the influx of hundreds of thousands more who, like many Dominicans, cannot afford even the most basic of needs.
it's not only the case for dr, puerto rico can take all DOMINICANS,
As long as Haiti ignores it's duty, obligation, responsibility as a sovereign nation, unable to take care of itself, will only prolong the status quo and the misery that goes with it.
YOU KNOW, soon we going to build a new army, build haiti with new airports, send 140 000 youngs at school free!
And make bussness for devlopment, i believe we going a new HAITI, a lot of HAITIANS, works so hard to change this country, THOSE POLITIC HAITIANS, begin to understand, the NGO is not here to developp our country, A LOT OF COURAGEAOUS HAITIANS WORKS FOR HAITI EVERYWHERE RONEVANE.
ANSWER TO MY QUESTION ABOUT GENEROSE PLEASE
French are seen as cowards all over Europe, their government edicted laws against the jews that not even Hitler and the Nazis did in Germany.
In the document posted by Kiskeyaman you can read that French helped to make a "coup d'etat" in Haiti in 2003, because they don't want to pay back their debt (see paragraph 6 ).
Haitians are paying the price of their independence, it's only racism, they did not, they (France and imperialists) have not accept that defeat. In 1776 the New country called US fought the british to get their independence ( for economic reasons) but they did not face the same troubles.
Who or what is 'GENEROSE"?
What on earth are you talking about?
Nehesy:
I take it you don't like the French, so......What are you doing living in Paris?
GENEROSO wrote i misinterpret their posts and/or take it out of context, do you think the same things?
Are you try to understand what Nehesy and I wrote you?
To answer to the question you put to NEHESY, do you think the DOMINICANS who lived in USA, love the Americans?
No, i don't think! you know you can hate the actions of a NATIONS and live in his country!
I don't like the French institutions : Government, Foreign policies against 1/3 world countries, the colonization, the huge participation in the african slave trade (their kings) , what they did to the jews during WWII i.e. their imperialist policy in general.
French history is full of interesting and great people. I'm in paris because I was born and raised here in Paris suburbs.Generally speaking France is a racist country, in 2002 the Far Right party ( Front National) was at the 2nd round of the presidency election. The riots of 2005 can be explained by their hypocrite/rampant racism.
However many French are great people and it's only a "divide to rule policy" from their government.
Racism I guess is everywhere ( I lived in London for 4 yrs), but French racism is one the worst. Thy is why they had the Haitian Revolution , NO slave masters in the new world (even if many of them were monsters) acted like those of Saint Domingue.
I hear you loud and clear! I too, don't agree with the US's foreign policies and the waste of billions and thousands of human lives in meaningless, fruitless wars. . But generally speaking, North Americans are extremely generous and sympathetic. It is rather counter-intuitive, that the hate and racism I've felt here have come from some African-Americans, not whites.
I owe the US plenty for all the opportunity offered to me. I can't complain. Nevertheless, it ain't home. I'll be going back to DR to stay for good in 2012. I love my DR,warts and all.
I totally agree 100%
Check your mail on DT..
Good luck for your come back in your country! God bless you for the courage you have to come back in your country!
For complete what wrote NEHESY, I know very well france and i have a lot of penpal. France have a lot of countries like MARTINIQUE and GUADELOUPE, yet they treat the people of those countries like strangers because they are blacks!
They french are very ignorant, idiots, racism,they keep their side of colonialism!
Usa is very different of france. A black or a stranger have more chance to become a great director in USA than in FRANCE! they french people,dislike greet, they hate say,'excuse' when they crush your feet you especially in paris!
I agree with you no better than home. And I respect you for that cause at least you know roots.
I would say that France ain't home either (even if born here), I cannot complain of my professional situation (many foreigners : belgium, asians,africans have MDs, PHDs but can't find the job they want) . I don't want my children to experience this painful "system"...
On my side I have many years to work before retirement but it will be in Africa or the West Indies ==> No way I stay in France.
Anyway we plan soon to move for US or Middle East ==> More interesting career opportunities, I have to build up a strong career before going back and helping a 1/3 country with my skills
In life, we all seek a benign and bountiful place to live in. When I was young, back in the early 60's, our family emigrated to the US, mainly because of the civil war raging at the time (in DR), and also because it is a place where the opportunities for a good life abound. My ex wife and I raised our children in a place (Maryland) where growing up is healthy and void of too much trauma.
I surely hope that you find such a place, friend. We, as parents, owe our children the best possible environment in which to grow and prosper. I wish you well in your search for your nirvana. It may be difficult, but it's out there, somewhere. Of that, you can be sure.
Come in my house, we have some Africans here who make a good work!
the last Africans i hear, he from cote ivoire, he work with Clinton and he live in haiti since 14 years and he have this own enterprise, he makes an excellent work in the domain of fish farming(pisciculture), thanks to him, the haitians farmer win more 2000 usd dollars by year!
He going want with a famous haitian who create artificial lac for growing the trees!
A lot of project will begin soon,we want some people who love the haitians and haiti.
Haiti is a virgin country, If you have idea, you can succeed!
With the future government, we going to change the bad situation!
DIGICEL, is an excellent enterprise, all people said don't go to haiti, now DIGICEL have 6 millions subscribers.
Come in my house, we have some Africans here who make a good work!
the last Africans i hear, he from cote ivoire, he work with Clinton and he live in haiti since 14 years and he have this own enterprise, he makes an excellent work in the domain of fish farming(pisciculture), thanks to him, the haitians farmer win more 2000 usd dollars by year!
He going want with a famous haitian who create artificial lac for growing the trees!
A lot of project will begin soon,we want some people who love the haitians and haiti.
Haiti is a virgin country, If you have idea, you can succeed!
With the future government, we going to change the bad situation!
DIGICEL, is an excellent enterprise, all people said don't go to haiti, now DIGICEL have 6 millions subscribers.
La democratie ne peut pas arrete. La democratie ne pout tout faire! Vive le peuple Hatiens!
Amen ! And enjoy your deserved retirement in your beautiful country
@ Kiskeyaman
I'll think about that
I like your last sentences. You writen that in french! Ron it's a pleasure to write you, because you have a lot of quality; You are a great DOMINICANS, in front of someone like you, I wish you a lot of good things when you going in your country! i hope a day we can wish a warm welcome to all people like you whatever their colours,their nations. i hope you will give us your news here, when you come back in DR. You think return when?
I hope to have all my obligations, here in the US, taken care of by June of 2012.
I certainly will keep posting,once back in DR, and for as long as I'm allowed to do so.
Do you live in Haiti, my brother?
Yes, I live in Haiti, maybe a day i will meet you!
We may meet someday. You never know!.
take care.
Ok take care too
now the police of the two countries works together to protect the island against the dealer of drug, and the thiefs!
The National Police arrested two Haitians yesterday for the gruesome slaying of a Frenchman who lived in Las Terrenas. According to El Nuevo Diario the Police found the victim's motorcycle and several other items that belonged to Jerone Veste Pass who lived in La Playa section of the beach community. The two who were arrested, Madeline Charles and Samuel Minius (22 and 24 years old) have admitted the killing