Nicky the Hat is correctomundo again.......Forum should not throw stones at the messenger.....Josean there is no absolution for your sins

Why can't Cardinal Nicolas de Jesus, pray to the other Jesus and everything will be fixed? I thought Pope Ratzinger had decided de Jesus had passed his use-by date and was to be replaced anyway. Is this issue his swan-song?

the first stone has been thrown by Stone

No, after you, sir.

Stick to the church and not into politics. Deal with the pedaphiles in the church once and for all.

Does not matter where this opinion comes from: it's CORRECT.

DR does itself a horrible DISSERVICE in EVERY aspect by allowing this perennial problem to fester without CLEAR AND DECISIVE ACTION(S) to bring resolution.

Rich mentioned giving Haitians a document that whilst not accepting to legalize their station in DR would nevertheless bring ALL persons into a Documented Status so that Haiti can begin the long overdue process of providing Haitian Nationality and Citizenship Documentation to all its foreign born population residing illegally in DR and their children. This can and must be done, hopefully with the participation of the NGOs, to FINALLY get a handle on this festering and massive problem. Businesses need not worry as this will not disrupt their ability to use low cost labor. But EVERY person will need to be DOCUMENTED as a first condition.

First time I hear someone from the church saying something smart!!

Correct cardinal lets deport them all!

ABSOLUTELY!!!! Now that the 1% got their fill thru the cheap labor, it's about time.......

This dilemna will never be solved because you badly need the Haitians to keep growing and reach the status of developing country in 2025. So stop kidding yourself and everybody else.

The time has come and gone for the catholic church. You blazing hypocrite. When will your "sins" end. Political, you have got to be kidding me but then again it is the DR. Scoundrels, thieves and skeeves will always prevail. What a joke. whatever your stupid tile is get lost.

¿Porque los grandes amigos de Haiti, incluyendo las ONGs y el gobierno Haitiano no le suplen documentacion? y le da vigencia como ciudadanos de un pais del mundo, el primero de america en ser independiente, que por cierto pasaron mas de 50 años para ser reconocidos por los EEUU y fue el unico pais que tuvo que pagar millones de francos a los farnceses despues de ganar la guerra de indendencia y derrotar al ejercito de Napoleon. Empobreciendo esta nacion, despues de haberla explotado y arrasada su selva tropical para sembrar caña de azucar.la madera del mausoleo de Napoleon es caoba de Haiti.
Ahora somos los dominicanos los que debemos proveerle de documentos, educacion y salud, consumiendo el 20% de presupuesto de los hopitales para los dominicanos, Asi no sera, ya esta bueno de chantaje. SE DEBE ENFRENTAR Y SOLUCIONAR EL PROBLEMA CON LA APLICACION SIMPLE Y PURA DE LAS LEYES. como pais soberano, que tambien es la republica dominicana.
Bien por el cardenal..pero los devuelven de Miami

Agree with Atabey, this chaotic poverty dumping by Haiti cannot continue unabated. First the border must be secured, then deportation of criminals, followed by the unemployed and beggars. In all cases they all must be fingerprinted and photographed. The hell with the international community, they are not the ones living with this sh*t.

LA VERITE
Quien le dijo a usted que la republica dominicana necesita a Haiti para ser un pais desarrollado, creo que es todo lo contrario, esa es una carga muy pesada que retrasa el desarrollo de la republica dominicana,consumiendo los recursos que los dominicanos pagamos en impuestos, recuerde cuando Alemania se unio, aun siendo Alemanes, hablando el mismo idioma y tener la misma cultura y educacion significo un freno momentaneo al desarrollo, hasta balancear ambas economias, hasta el ancho de la vias ferreas era diferentes, imaginese lo que pasa con los Haitianos, son de otra raza, lengua,hablan PATOIS, NOSOTROS ESPAÑOL, educacion, costumbres y religion, No se olvide que somos sus mejores amigos y vecinos, pero los vecinos deben vivir cada uno en su casa y mantener buenas relaciones, en eso estamos de acuerdo, se le debe proveer toda la ayuda necesaria, como siempre se ha hecho, pero que necesitamos a los haitianos para desarrollarnos ni lo sueñe amigo,

Darn right, send them all back!!!!!

Tonto Dominicano,
Monsieur,
Puisque vous m'avez repondu dans votre langue, il me plait de vous repondre dans la mienne qui est le francais comme j'aurais pu le faire en creole qui est notre deuxieme langue officielle et non un patois, ceci pour votre gouverne.Vous me dites que vous etes espagnol "NOSOTROS ESPANOL",de quel Espagne vous referrez-vous alors que je sais qu'ils sont blancs alors que la R.D. a 60% de metis, 20% de noirs et 20% de blancs, est-ce EL BLANCO DE LA TIERRA?
Le peu d'attention que vous offrez aux Haitiens qui sont chez vous ne represente pas la millionieme portion de ce qu'ils vous donnent dans le developpement de votre pays,que ce soit dans l'industrie sucriere, le tourisme, l'agriculture, les infrastructures routieres, immobilieres, enfin tout ce qui contribue a votre avancement. Et je ne mentionne pas les conditions inhmaines dans lesquelles ils vous donnent leur labeur, tout ceci pour faire d'Haiti votre marche le plus important apres les E.U.

La verité
Good job. I think the Dominican is very hypocrite.they know perfectly without the Haitians, DR WILL FALL. Your nasty president know that, but he wants to show he can manage DR.
If you are so strong send the HAITIANS who work in the tourism, agriculture and the domain of the construction and you will have the result.
I think this cardinal is a son of satan. we know the role of the Catholic church in slavery. I think a lot of the idiot cardinal is in DR for make a bad work against the poor HAITIANS. Who are attacked, victims of a lot of DR who attack them. A lot of haitians who had paper now, don't have paper and a lot of them want come back to haiti but don't have family in HAITI or houses in HAITI. I hope all HAITIANS LEAVE THE F*KING LAND OF RACIST, IDIOT PEOPLE WHO DON't want say that HAITI help DR in many domain to become a developped country. I hope our government will give DR a good answer wich will break DR.

Monsieur Laverite,

You said... "This dilemna will never be solved because you badly need the Haitians to keep growing and reach the status of developing country in 2025. So stop kidding yourself and everybody else."

The number of low paying jobs in DR are not enough to accommodate both the Dominican and illegal Haitian population, they are finite. The current trend is not sustainable. The main reason for the swell of Haitians presence in Dominican Rep. has not been the promise of employment, by the private sector, but all the woes that currently plagues Haiti.

KISKEYAMAN,

Yes! Of late, the labor of illegal Haitians have contributed to the construction boom and our agriculture production. But their contributions, by itself, are not the main reason of our modest economic development. In addition to the previous industries, tourism, food processing, mining, textiles and remittances, to name a few, have contributed as much to our economy, if not more.

To many, the issue of how much did the contributions of illegal Haitian labor was responsible for our economic development raises another equally important question, how many of these jobs would have mitigated the current levels of unemployment in Dominican Rep.? Or by how much the wages were depreciated by the illegal labor? The direct benefactors of the labor of illegal Haitian immigrants are not the 13% of Dominican unemployed and/or the 42% of Dominicans living under the poverty live, but the big businesses.

Written by: LAVERITE

"The little attention that you provide to Haitians who are at home does not represent the millionth part of what they give you in the development of your country, whether in the sugar industry, tourism, agriculture, the road infrastructure, real estate, and everything that contributes to your progress. And I did not mention the conditions under which inhumane they give you their labor, all this to your walk of Haiti's largest after the EU"


"This dilemma will never be solved because you badly need the Haitians to keep growing and reach the status of developing country in 2025. So stop kidding yourself and everybody else."


First, the true cost or externalities are huge of the illegal migration into DR. It is true that LOW COST labor provides an important component for keeping DR's competitive cost level. But that low labor comes at the cost of creating severe pressure for our own poorly paid workers.

Second, as the established population in DR has clearly demonstrated, many more children seek to partake of their families illegal transit into DR to look for a better life. And here let me state that were the foot on the other shoe and DR was in Haiti's position, it would surely be Dominicans trying to enter Haiti for a better shot at life. So I understand that often desperation has been the underlining reason for the illegal movement towards the east on the island. There is no joy in this matter for hard facts and terrible poverty has pushed many into this movement. As Dominicans we want Haiti to prosper but don't want and don't care for DR to be overrun with poverty, beggars, criminals and people willing to pretty much do whatever in order to survive. All this undocumented movement in population contributes to is a poverty rich environment that the Black market can take advantage and use human suffering for whatever means of extraction it can conceive. And that's not

in Haiti's interests and certainly not in the DR's interest to promote or allow to metastasize. Third, we Dominicans agree with The Cardinal that Documentation is needed and that some form of accountability on the part of the Haitian Government towards their people living in foreign lands.

Let's tackle this problem head on, Haiti and DR will be far better if they solve the undocumented population. There are no stateless people in DR of Haitian descent for the Haitian Constitution is very clear: every person born of a Haitian is Haitian no matter where they are born in the world. All that's needed is will power and financing to get people their legal documentation. With those documents on hand, business would be able to meet their job quotas and FINALLY some discipline and normality bordering on modernity and regularity will emerge on this generational problem. We are both to blame for this mess getting out of hand & only working together will see some reasonable way out

Very well, Atabey,
But you are addressing the symptom, not the cause, which is overpopulation, and these people are breeding like rabbits regardless of their statehood status, and will continue, perhaps even faster, once they have statehood, independent of whether it is Haitian of Dominican.

Arcangel96
I know two thinks about you! in generally you are very intelligent and I know you are half Dominicans and half HAITIANS.
I have severals questions for you? according to you, If you arrive to get the departure of the HAITIANS WHO WORKS in DR, Do you think the tourism will grown? do you think your agriculture will gown? do you think the only 13% of unemployment Dominicans would want to cover the jobs of the haitians that you will get their departure to haiti?
do you think you can refrain from haiti billion that HAITI gives you in trade imbalance?
Do you think if the Haitians are not in DR, the great Enterprise will stay in DR? Do you really want bet in those things?
Compare what HAITIANS GIVE YOU IN DR and what THE HAITIANS GIVE YOU like problems.
THE HAITIANS Don't give you a lot of problems but It's just a problem under a lie of the story.
TRY TO BE NEUTRAL PLEASE, Do you know now, the government of HAITI GIVE PRESSION TO YOUR DR GOVERNMENT

DR HAVE TO TAKE HIS RESPONSABILITY!
EVERYONE IS BORN IN YOUR LAND ARE DOMINICAN.
Since when looking at the constitution of thecountry of the parents of one or several persons which were born in the country to know what nationality give them?
that's a stupid argument and it does not surprise me WHO started it. For once dreadlock would agree with me.
Dr. deserves a lesson and it will have it. The Haitian government must continue to give pression to DR which refuse citizenship he had given to someone and then take it back. it is not normal. These guys who were born in DR speak Spanish, and know nothing of haiti.
Everyone knows that DR wants to turn all countries even those Haitians who have papers are expelled, even those Dominicans were expelled because they are blacks. Tell me that you are not anti Haitian and racist and xenophobic? But sooner or later, the wheel turns DR don't will scape to the rule. YOUR PRODUCTS is boycotting in this moment in haiti.
Your new president is

2) Your new president is about to try to correct the mistakes he has failed in trying to make the new provisions on migration HAITIAN. He knows now haiti Will Give Him a great lesson if anything Which Makes ET are not in the sense of haitians people.

Very Funny.
Tell that fake "Cardinal" to stop whining and deal with the problem himself.
Go ahead and do your duty "Cardinal" . (molesting children that is.)

Bartolomé de las Casas type Cardinal.

Semper Fidelis......

@KISKEYAMAN,

The businesses that only employs illegal labor will undoubtedly suffer, but overall it will not stop the current development trend. Most business will adapt. Even the sugarcane harvesting, a job done almost entirely by Haitians manual labor, is now being replaced by machines. The construction industry will also adapt to the shortage. Moreover, as Dominican Rep. continues this developing trend, the need for "back-breaking" low paying jobs will decrease, while more technical demanding jobs will rise. For example, instead of hiring 20 guys to dig a trench by hand, a company might hire one or two people to operate a backhoe.

Now, lets be fair, the trade imbalance between our countries has not been the result of some "machiavellian" conspiracy against Haiti, or because Haitians wants to help grow our economy, or because they are being force to only buy from us. The trade imbalance is the result of economics plain and simple. It has nothing to do with immigration.

The trade imbalance is because Haiti has almost no capacity to produce what they need, but they have "sorry" money from the earthquake.

Cangel
Answer to my questions first. And try to be honest when you try to Answer to one question. What Is the interest for Haïti to see. Your economy grow. Who force haitians people to buy for your dr? Without the haitians worker your economy Will be down. Please Answer my question i ask you belote.

benwaballs,
Absolutely!
"The cardinal problem must be dealt with 'once and for all'!”
Send these people, products of the Catholic ban on condoms, to the Vatican to look after.

@KISKEYAMAN,

You said..."Without the Haitians worker your economy Will be down."

If you are suggesting that the sole engine driving the Dominican economy is the illegal Haitian workforce, then the answer is "no". There are many factors that have contributed to our economic development. The historical, political, social and environmental factors need to be taken into account when measuring a country level of development and economy. In the case of the illegal Haitian workforce, it has definitely contributed to the economic factor, but to the detriment of some others.

If the only thing needed for economic development was cheap manual labor, then Haiti would be in a far better position today.

Definitivamente los haitianos creen que la republica dominicana es la que tiene que resolverle los problemas de documentacion y recirles de manera obligada en nuestro pais, no es asi, entiendo que esas demandas deben ser hecha a las autoridades haitianas, ese es su pais y es a sus autoridades a las que deben solcitarles normalizar su estatus de ciudadanos, la constitucion de haiti dice que los haitianos idependienntemente de donde nazcan siguen siendo Haitianos, si bien es ciertos que existen muchos malos dominicanos que abusan de los haitianos y de los dominicanos, porque es asi, Tendran que contratar legales y tendran que parles bien, aqui se trata mejor a los haitianos que en Haiti, por eso vienen,y ud lo sabe
Pero no pueden pretender venir a casa ajena a trazar pautas, porque eso no se va a aceptar.
Como bien usted dice Aqui existe una mezcla de razas, por eso no entendemos cuando hablan de racismo, la excusa para detractar a nuestro pais, apoyados por unos irresponsable gobierno

A juicio de Lorenzo Merán, desde hace años “la negligencia de las autoridades ha ido permitiendo esa situación”.
“Entonces, a nosotros también nos preocupa el tema, lo que quisiéramos ver es más responsabilidad en el control de la frontera, en el control de esa inmigración ilegal”, sostuvo.
Consideró que los dominicanos han sido muy condescendiente con el tema haitiano, lo que no es reconocido por los organismos internacionales a la hora de acusar al país de abusador y violador de los derechos de esos extranjeros.
Lorenzo Merán alertó que el día en que el Estado dominicano quiera poner las cosas en orden, la situación se le tornará difícil porque tendrá que enfrentar a organismos internacionales que representan naciones que no han asumido su responsabilidad con Haití.
El religioso manifestó que desde Haití han venido familias completas a establecerse en República Dominicana.
“Después del terremoto, se ha visto el alto número de estudiantes haitianos en los colegios y las escuelas

“Después del terremoto, se ha visto el alto número de estudiantes haitianos en los colegios y las escuelas de la República Dominicana y más del 80% de ellos no tienen ningún tipo de documentación”, agregó.
"Manifestó que la Ley de Migración contempla fuertes medidas en contra de los indocumentados que han sido aplazadas por supuestos intereses beneficiarios.
Lorenzo Merán recordó que es responsabilidad del Estado cuidar su frontera, porque una vez los haitianos están en el país hay que garantizarle sus derechos humanos, sin importar su condición de legalidad".
Vi en la TV ayer declaraciones de Haitianos ilegales exigiendo manera hasta irrespetuosa, cosas que no les son dadas ni en su pais, Creemos que ya esta bueno de Chantajes y los dominicanos le exigen al nuevo gobierno que aplique la ley sin contemplaciones y sin atropellos, y envien en autobuses refrigerados a su pais, que refuercen la frontera con los miles de soldados que estan de escoltas a funcionarios civiles y empresa

21 June 2012 05:19 ET


EU should 'undermine national homogeneity' says UN migration chief
By Brian Wheeler

Political reporter, BBC News

Peter Sutherland's global migration forum brings together 160 nations to discuss policy.

OK Europe, let's see you take the High road. You being so civilized and all. Haitians would de-homogenize your lands in a "quicky." LOL



He (Sutherland) told the House of Lords committee migration was a "crucial dynamic for economic growth" in some EU nations "however difficult it may be to explain this to the citizens of those states".

'More open'

An ageing or declining native population in countries like Germany or southern EU states was the "key argument and, I hesitate to the use word because people have attacked it, for the development of multicultural states", he added.

"It's impossible to consider that the degree of homogeneity which is implied by the other argument can survive because states have to become more open stat

Los europeos y los norteamericanos no acaban de comprender que aunque somos vecinos por culpa de los Imperios pasados, NO SOMOS IGUALES, en Raza, Educacion, lengua, religion y costumbre, solo hay que visitar Haiti y a Republica dominicana para entender esto, Lo que estan gestando estas naciones para cubrir su irresponsabilidad secular es crear un conflicto entre nuestros paises, para tener una excusa para intervenir, como han hecho en Bosnia, y en naciones africanas, que por dividir aldeas convirtiendolas en paises diferentes, han creado conflictos sangrientos que aun estan muy lejos de acabar.
Y lo mas IMPORTANTE, LOS DOMINICANOS NO LO VAMOS HA ACEPTAR, y mucho menos una intervencion como lo han hecho en Haiti, que hasta el COLERA han traido, matandonos habitantes irresponsablemente.
Recordar 1965 que para sofocar 4,000 rebeldes civiles sin preparacion militar y 45 buceadores de combate dominicanos, hubo que traer 42,000 USMC y paracaidistas de la 101 y la 82 AB, imaginese ahor

Europeans and Americans do not quite understand that although we are neighbors because of past empires, WE ARE NOT THE SAME, Race, Education, language, religion and custom, you just have to visit Haiti and Dominican Republic to understand this. What these nations are brewing because they have not done their secular responsibility is to create a conflict between our two countries, and then to have an excuse to intervene, as they did in Bosnia, and African nations to divide villages turning them in different countries, have created bloody conflicts that are still very far from over.

And most importantly, DON'T WE DOMINICAN have a say in all this?, let alone an intervention as they have in Haiti, which have brought to cholera, killing people irresponsibly.

Remember 1965 that 4.000 rebels to quell civilians without military preparation and 45 combat divers Dominicans, had to bring 42.000 USMC and paratroopers of the 101 and AB 82, imagine what it would take today."

Use googl

I keep saying and will continue to do so: nothing can be done to solve the Haitian poverty invasion until we secure the border first. Militarize the border and stop the illegal flow first !
Then we can discuss ways of legalizing a portion of the illegal immigrants while sending the rest back.

I feel we must and should legalize those born here from 2005 back. As Kiskeyaman has pointed out most don't even speak the language or have a home to go to in Haiti. That will be our concession and contribution to the wellbeing of their people. The rest have to be rounded up and deported or sent to other countries who are quick to criticize our immigration policy while doing the same or worse to our nationals in their land.

Absolutely, venganzaderafael

Shut the Fxxx up Kakaman.........!!!!