Written by: josean, 4 Jul 2012 10:16 AM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
Tell us something else the Entire World doesn't already know!
Except of course the Denialists and PURPLE CLAPPING Apologists Seals here at DT!
Written by: Atabey, 4 Jul 2012 10:24 AM
From: United States, NYC
The Great injustices were committed at the start of the Capitalist expansion after the 1965. Unlike the "Boot-strap Operation" developed in Puerto Rico, The DR leadership set about expanding its material base without resorting its internal social commitments to its people: no national program to educate its people. Again, Balaguer and his people were encouraged by the USA to set a National income tax to establish a national education system for all. And the social debts the good professor talks about could have been addressed but for lack of setting as a target a 20% of PIB contribution back in the early days of the 50 year capitalist expansion. Only lip service.
Now we need to catch up to this lack of prior social investments and infrastructure; and instead of having to serve the needs of a population of 2-3 million, we have a population of close to 10 million!
But better that it be done then put off, as the problems will only metastasize further if not addressed.
Written by: josean, 4 Jul 2012 10:31 AM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
Speaking of Denialists and PURPLE CLAPPING Apologists Seals!
Written by: Atabey, 4 Jul 2012 10:33 AM
From: United States, NYC
At least I know the facts. You just talk out of your end. LOL
Besides, YOU CAN'T REALLY THINK ALL these social debts can just be eliminated in say ONE TERM IN OFFICE!
It's taken many generations for DR to fall into this poor position, and it will take a considerable amount of good effort and time for her to correct or address all these manifestations of social under-investments by the government. To take one example: Education.
Danilo states he wants to establish one Full Day of schooling per year. So if he's true to his word, it will only establish 1-4 grades during his tenure in office. We would still be short 5-12 years or 8 years of Full Day education! Again, it took many decades to get into this mess, and it will take, at least, several decades to get out of all these social debts or legacy deficits.
Written by: anthonyC, 4 Jul 2012 10:57 AM
From: United States
The D.R., like other left wing governments have tried to institute Cradle to Grave Social Net. Now we have a society who blames everything on the Government and expects everything handed to them.
That is why you have such an income disparity. You have 3 classes of people.
Those who practice cronyism and thievery (The Haves)
Those who expect the government to take care of them(The never will Have)
And
Those who actually work for what they have(Hated by and a juicy Target of the other 2)
From: Iceland, Haitians out of DR.
wait you mean Haitians bringing poverty!? Now that's a different story.
From: Iceland, Haitians out of DR.
Poverty? Statics show severe poverty has decreased as well as low poverty while middle clas has grown from 25% to almost 40%. I don't see poverty growing.
Written by: juanb, 4 Jul 2012 11:19 AM
From: Dominican Republic
In other words 500 families got much richer and the rest suffered.
From: Dominican Republic
"Besides, YOU CAN'T REALLY THINK ALL these social debts can just be eliminated in say ONE TERM IN OFFICE!"
Sorry 12 out of 16 years is now "ONE TERM IN OFFICE!"??
Written by: josean, 4 Jul 2012 11:22 AM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
"Besides, YOU CAN'T REALLY THINK ALL these social debts can just be eliminated in say ONE TERM IN OFFICE!"
See what I mean about "Denialists and PURPLE CLAPPING Apologists Seals!"
No!.......But your God Lie-onel The NARCO-MACRO Miracle Worker has had three!
Two in the last 8 years and did NOTHING but INDEBT the nation to HISTORIC PROPORTIONS and built a USLESS METRO, neither having any impact on the well-being of the majority of Dominicans other than the PURPLE Kleptocracy!
From: United States
i see where Atabey is back from his self imposed silence, since he sees a topic he thinks he can pontificate upon. well, this bears out what i have been trying to tell him, all along. he has been quick to copy and paste every NUMBER he can get his hands upon, and use those as a guide to how well a country is doing. there is a difference between GROWTH, and DEVELOPMENT. if you roll a small snowball down a hillside, by the time it gets to the bottom, it will have collected more snow, and will become a bigger snowball. it will have GROWN. but, it remains the same thing it started as...frozen water, but just more of it. it will not have DEVELOPED. if, along the journey down the hillside, someone throws flavorings at it, such as powdered lemonade, it will arrive at its destination as a popsicle. it will have DEVELOPED. that is what government is supposed to do. it is supposed to interpolate ideas and strategies which not only make the status quo larger, but to develop it
From: Dominican Republic, calle A.Portes
This historian is basing his claims on absolutely nothing ,,no evidence at all .If he had presented the facts , he would not have been able to make these statements which are baseless..Either he must have the misfortune to be blind or he must be so marxist that he can state what is obvious to everyone living here.
The midlle class has grown very quickly as evidenced by the sales in houses, in cars and the number of new shops .The rich have grown richer because they avoid tax and , regrettably , there will always be a poor class just as there is in the USA, The number of hospitals and schools have increased and more money is spent on health and education even if it only the same percentage of the growing GDP.
Nothing wil please some so called Dominicans living elsewhere and not able to see what is going on here ..all they want to see is the worst side of everything
From: United States
it is no good in having your economy grow to a point where your AVERAGE GDP grows by 3%, and your poverty rate grow by the same amount. if you grow the economy and the illiteracy rate at the same pace, nothing will be accomplished. that is what development is. i see where everyone is praising Leonel for his INFRASTRUCTURE development, especially roads, and the metro. any moron can build structures. it takes visionaries to build societies. if one third of the Dominican population did not live in Santo Domingo, there would be no need for a metro. developers look for the root causes of urban drift, and address the problem from the causative end, rather than the symptomatic end. making the rural areas productive, and giving 21st century connectivity to the countryside would be a more effective, INCLUSIVE strategy. more of same is a fool's errand.
Written by: josean, 4 Jul 2012 11:46 AM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
Dread it appears the Atabey and Alpha66 where twins separated at birth or rather dumped in separate garbage cans!!
From: United States
says Ricardolito
The number of hospitals and schools have increased and more money is spent on health and education even if it only the same percentage of the growing GDP.
does that necessarlily mean that the quality of health care and education have improved? the ministry of education spent one million dollars on a parking lot for UASD. does that mean that more students graduated Magna Cum Laude?
From: United States
says elanonimo
Written by: elanonimo, 4 Jul 2012 11:01 AM
From: Iceland, Haitians out of DR.
Poverty? Statics show severe poverty has decreased as well as low poverty while middle clas has grown from 25% to almost 40%. I don't see poverty growing.
please give us a reference to the passages that define what is considered to be the middle class in the DR.
Written by: josean, 4 Jul 2012 11:55 AM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
"I don't see poverty growing."
Its hard to see from ICELAND!
Written by: CadeJ, 4 Jul 2012 11:56 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Altamira
There are two horns of this dilemma for the Dominican Republic, a lack of human capital due to insufficient educaction of the public, and an excessive burden of corruption - you can begin to see the cost of corruption in an economy by watching the USA as institutionalized corruption within the federal governmentt enables corporate money. Both the limits on education and the endemic corruption serve the interests of a small portion of the Dominican population that remains in control. This is a tragedy of Spanish colonialism repeated throughout latin america.
Written by: josean, 4 Jul 2012 11:58 AM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
CadeJ,
Exactly!
From: United States
The corrupt government officials and their friends have stolen more money than anyone knows. Of course the majority of the population is poor. All one needs to do is look around the country and see how there is a VERY small middle class. It is mostly the corrupt drug dealing officials with all the money, a few middle class working hard to sustain their lifestyle, and the majority living in abject poverty.
From: United States
Veronica, you forgot to mention the "middle class"guys whose laptop is in the compraventa, so they can pay the note on the Toyota Prado.
From: Dominican Republic, calle A.Portes
Dreadlocks asks about the standard of medical care and whether it has improved,,,the answer is yes it has improved and this can be borne out by the increased number of specialist centres and newer operating facilities as well as the larger number of medical graduates ,,,BUT the probem lies , as it does in the USA, with the fact that the poor do not have medical insurance and can not afford by themselves the improved medical facilities ..that is then an argument of what a government is obliged to provide for the people gratis.
There are more businesses in SD and in the east and they are more varied than before ,,you can see that in the export figures but there will always be a poor peasant class here for as long as I can see in the future .
To suggest that the huge improvements in the infrastucture of this country could have beenplanned and financed by anyone is not giving due praise to the man who presented the DR in a very positive way to all overseas investors and got things done.
Written by: Atabey, 4 Jul 2012 12:54 PM
From: United States, NYC
Dready,
Unlike you and I suspect many others on DT, a few of us have families and their needs to attend to. But far from being in any "self-imposed" silence, I've merely exercised my right to such responsible commitment.
As for the issue at hand, professor Moya Pons is correct in his assessment,( as am I- just check my statements from many months ago, see my Balaguer year critique).
Much could have been done but for lack of elite consensus and the immaturity of the capitalist class back in the 1960-70s. These guys missed their chance and the nation or people have had to suffer the consequences ever since. Nations that took their responsibilities seriously, South Korea, Taiwan, Costa Rica, Chile and others, have witnessed far better transformations and prosperous societies emerge.
I have hope that DR's capitalist class has enlightened itself and is finally willing to see through the necessary social investments needed to advance the State and Nation of DR.
Written by: Atabey, 4 Jul 2012 1:19 PM
From: United States, NYC
Written by: CadeJ, 4 Jul 2012 11:56 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Luperon
There are two horns of this dilemma for the Dominican Republic, a lack of human capital due to insufficient educaction of the public, and an excessive burden of corruption - you can begin to see the cost of corruption in an economy by watching the USA as institutionalized corruption within the federal governmentt enables corporate money. Both the limits on education and the endemic corruption serve the interests of a small portion of the Dominican population that remains in control. This is a tragedy of Spanish colonialism repeated throughout Latin America."
So right about the Spanish legacy to Latin America.
In Fukuyama's The Origins of Political Order, chapter 24, Patrimonialism Crosses the Atlantic, the theme is developed.
The creole class claimed tax exemption status and Mayorazgo and Mejora played a role in concentrating land into the hand of a few families. The Spanish Crown deeply in debt
Written by: Atabey, 4 Jul 2012 1:21 PM
From: United States, NYC
also sold public offices and this further took it away from establishing a modern efficient administrative scheme in Latin America.p. 370-1
"Patrimonialism was left embedded in many post-independence regimes."
The new post independence states of Latin America were too weak (and kept so) to challenge the creole elites. These more powerful elite arrangements that pre-dated the independence conflicts created the conditions that have caused our states so many problems: low social investments, impunity in conduct and disregard for laws and taxes. The poor fiscal habits that plague our states in Latin Americas can be traced to these old power arrangements.
From: Dominican Republic
capitalist class and necessary social investments, not going to happen unless they can make more money from it... Capitalist only want to pay workers as little as they can, which will never help grow the middle class or bring more out of poverty...
When did 12 out of 16 years become "ONE TERM IN OFFICE!"??
or even 2 four year terms become one??
Written by: Atabey, 4 Jul 2012 2:06 PM
From: United States, NYC
The 2000-2004 years produced a rather poor harvest, no? So the mess left by YOU KNOW WHO, had to be corrected and paid for.
Capitalist MAKE MORE MONEY from educated individuals. Why do you think Slavery ended in the Americas? It costs more to house, feed, and take care of the negroes than it was to have an open market for labor. Then, it was more profitable to have primary educated individuals doing work than illiterates. And on and on. Germany pays its worker good money BECAUSE these workers can produce-Be PRODUCTIVE-above a less educated work force.
So DR can make this work: provide primary and secondary education while INCREASING PROFITS for capitalist.
That nonsense about keepin' the poor poorer just doesn't fly in reality. Just check out South Korea and see what greater educational opportunities has produced. Far from draining the profits of capitalist, the economy has taken off and is now worth over ONE TRILLION DOLLARS!
Written by: josean, 4 Jul 2012 2:58 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
"that is then an argument of what a government is obliged to provide for the people gratis"
Governments are parasites that live off the people and on rare occasions they can been helpful like, leeches, if kept in check.
No government provides anything "Gratis" or Free since they have no money other than that which the people authorize them to tax for. In the case of DR where the rich and powerful evade paying taxes legally and illegally since the right the tax laws to favor themselves more so than in other countries, the regressive value add tax ITBIS falls much harder and disproportionately on the miniscule middle class and the semi- working or underemployed poor. So in fact those with the least pay the most proportionally speaking.
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Written by: josean, 4 Jul 2012 2:59 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
The problem in DR not that the government doesn’t have enough revenue it is that is the rich don’t pay the fair share and what is collect from the rest of society is “allocated” to thievery and USELESS projects like the METRO at the expense of the true quality of life priorities like EDUCATION, health care, potable water, affordable housing and public safety.
From: United States
says Atabey
Capitalist MAKE MORE MONEY from educated individuals. Why do you think Slavery ended in the Americas? It costs more to house, feed, and take care of the negroes than it was to have an open market for labor.
where do you get this stuff from? open market for labor? where did this source come from? you mean there was a pool of labor that could be called in to replace slaves, which was paid a wage? where? thanks for enlightening me. i always thought that the industrial revolution was what caused places like England to focus on domestic production, and that British capitalism had simply outgrown the simplicity of slave plantations. i guess we can always look to you for enlightenment.
From: Dominican Republic, calle A.Portes
But Josean you were opposed to the use of pension fund money to provide affordable housing , and the number of public hospitals has increased but you are always opposed to the President opening them and everyone in Villa Mela thinks the metro is fantastic ..maybe too far for you, in USA, to use
From: United States
says Ricardolito
everyone in Villa Mela thinks the metro is fantastic ..
how about the people in La Vega? how do they like the service?
Written by: josean, 4 Jul 2012 3:25 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
"But Josean you were opposed to the use of pension fund money to provide affordable housing"
What I am opposed to is the NARCO-Money Launderers that you support in the PLD Mafia putting the hands on that pension money. We will neither see the pensions like the sugarcane cutters or the Affordable housing other than high priced apartments for the Purple Elite built with taxpayer’s money!
I travel to Monte Plata on business at least every 90 days via Villa Mella which is probably more than you have done in your elite golf playing lifetime so I beg to differ that the masses of Villa Mella are thrilled with the USLESS METRO as you say.
Written by: josean, 4 Jul 2012 4:26 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
Another problem with the Glorious Purple NARCO-MACRO Economic Model:
"Causes of violence in the Dominican Republic"
Speaking on the program Cuentas Claras, sociologist Celedonio Jimenez and psychiatrist Carlos de los Angeles said that certain aspects of the Dominican Republic's socioeconomic model are contributing to the increase in violence.
They said that the social structure, especially the inequality has led to an increase in violence, highlighting the fact that the minimum wage is less than RD$10,000 but that some politicians receive a basic salary of RD$950,000.
They said that 34% of young Dominicans were not studying or working and listed other factors influencing the increase in violence such as the disintegration of the family, education and the loss of values.
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Written by: josean, 4 Jul 2012 4:27 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
According to De los Angeles, violence is a complex social problem that has to be studied from the point of view of education, politics, economics and social and psychological factors in order to correct it.
He said that the State should apply public policies to promote equality of opportunity, fair salaries and employment, and satisfactory levels of education and health.
Referring to the high rate of femicides, Jimenez said that Dominicans were not ready to accept women's liberation and that men who murdered their partners were frustrated, especially economically.
However according to Jimenez and De los Angeles, all is not lost and measures should be taken to change the situation. They said that one thing that could be done is to disarm the population. Another was to reform the police, and the family should return to its formative role, schools should play their part and everyone should return to the values, responsibility and culture of peace.
DR1
Written by: Atabey, 4 Jul 2012 4:49 PM
From: United States, NYC
Dready,
Erick Williams ring a bell?
BTW, I take back my position that Slavery was becoming unprofitable (thus its downfall) and that Free labor was cheaper.
After reading "Slavery in the United States by Jenny B. Wahl, Carleton College (Economic History Association), the scholarship points to Slavery having at least as good a rate of return, 10%, as other capital options. Still the jury is out in terms of its suitability for more modern production. So I stand corrected. Erich Williams and Adam Smith were a bit too pessimistic on Slavery's profitability.
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The people of La Vega or any other part of DR gain when they visit SD and also gain from the potential savings in less pollution and easier transit when the system is completed. When the SD to Santiago railroad is constructed, the people living along the route will benefit THE MOST, but other people in the country will also see some marginal benefits.
Written by: josean, 4 Jul 2012 5:13 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
Here is another PURPLE Achievement Little Rickey and Atabey surely doesn’t want you to know!
More than 100 women have been killed by "men" so far of the year
The murder of women has become a painful tragedy that is increasing in the Dominican Republic
The Dominican Republic is considered by international agencies as one of the countries with HIGHEST NUMBER OF FEMICIDES a year in Latin America and the Caribbean.
SANTO DOMINGO, Dominican Republic (EFE).-More than 100 women have died at the hands of their partners or ex-partners in so far this year in the Dominican Republic, the last five just last weekend, and it is feared that the figure for this year will exceed the 230 victims of 2011, what some have already qualified as "a national tragedy"
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Written by: josean, 4 Jul 2012 5:14 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
"We are very alarmed and very concerned because we believe that this phenomenon is already a national tragedy", said Sergia Galván, Director of The Women and Health Collective, a group that since 1984 working in the defense of the rights of the Dominican women confirmed 105 femicides in the country since last January.
The expert described as "insufficient" the response of the State because of the "seriousness" of the matter and also criticized the lack of shelters for battered women and their children in the nation.
Death by domestic violence exceeds diseases under epidemiological control in the Dominican Republic, according to Galvan.
The statistics from the office of the Attorney General of the Republic to which EFE had access to demonstrate that the murders of women have gone from 190 in 2005 to 230 in 2011, while 66 deaths have been posted in the national territory between January and April 2012.
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Written by: josean, 4 Jul 2012 5:16 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
Read the rest at:
acento.com.do/index.php/news/18793/56/Mas-de-cien-mujeres-han-sido-asesinadas-por-hombres-en-lo-que-va-de-ano.html
La República Dominicana está considerado por organismos internacionales como uno de países con mayor número de feminicidios al año en América Latina y el Caribe.
From: Dominican Republic
"When the SD to Santiago railroad is constructed"
That is exactly the point... Why and who made the decision to build a more expensive underground BEFORE a cross country railway??? That helps less people, costs more, then four years after start the bus links.... Just bad decisions by inept people...
Written by: josean, 4 Jul 2012 5:27 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
"Written by: stillhere, 4 Jul 2012 5:22 PM
From: Dominican Republic
"When the SD to Santiago railroad is constructed"
That is exactly the point... Why and who made the decision to build a more expensive underground BEFORE a cross country railway??? That helps less people, costs more, then four years after start the bus links.... Just bad decisions by inept people..."
GRAND SLAM!
stillhere,
Please don't ask Logical, Rational questions having to do with the Biggest Bang for the peso and Cost Effectiveness or you will fry the “brains" of the PURPLE CLAPPING SEALS here at DT!
From: United States, Vivir sin Patria, es lo mismo que vivir sin Honor.
we need to change the way political affairs are been handled, we need radical changes and fast. We need order, education and a honest and productive government.
Written by: williom, 4 Jul 2012 5:48 PM
From: United States
(( Written by: hernandez5482, 4 Jul 2012 5:31 PM
From: United States
we need to change the way political affairs are been handled, we need radical changes and fast. We need order, education and a honest and productive government. ))
With folks here who still can't see how and why the METRO is nationally useless, TOUGH LUCK!
Written by: josean, 4 Jul 2012 5:56 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
With folks here who still can't see how and why the METRO is” NATIONALLY USELESS,” TOUGH LUCK!
williom,
GRAND SLAM!!!!!!!
I am also advising you that I am going to use your Excellent Phrase “The NATIONALLY USELESS METRO”!!!!!!!!!
Written by: williom, 4 Jul 2012 6:06 PM
From: United States
Go ahead! Make my day ;)
Note that 2/3 of that phrase is from you. I don't have much to offer. I just stop by as often as I can.
From: Dominican Republic
"El escritor explicó que para hacer comparaciones sobre el crecimiento y los cambios en los modelos económicos, siempre se debe tener en cuenta la base demográfica, porque una economía que crece más lenta que su población no puede abastecerla con los alimentos que demanda ni con los servicios que necesita, sin importar el tipo de organización política que tenga. "
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This is the case in Dominican Rep., in 1960 we had a population of aproximately 3.3 million, nowadays 9.9 million. Health, education and public transportation, among other services, has not kept up with the population growth.
From: United States, I dont even live inside a house , I haunt one!
The dominican republic needs to look deep in itself and leave the old ways of doing things , what they need is the necessary funding for education gdp, and find a way to curved corruption , the only way you gonna do that is by education. I think the number one priority is to end the energy crisis ones and for all , to do that there gonna have to bring some outsiders for that.
Written by: josean, 4 Jul 2012 8:48 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
Now we will here from a Real Expert (Not Atabey of course with theories of the last century):
“Informality is a structural feature of the economic model”
"The weaknesses of the model of growth of the last five decades have been not only in that it has had a very volatile behavior, but also in the boom years of the same expansion employment occurred mainly in the informal sector of the economy, thereby increasing labor informality."
SANTO DOMINGO, Dominican Republic.-The executive director of the Institute for Statistics and Interdisciplinary Studies for Development (IDEE), Julio Cesar Mejia Santana, declared that the high degree of informality in employment in the Dominican Republic has become a structural feature of the model of growth recorded by the country in the last three decades.
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Written by: josean, 4 Jul 2012 8:50 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
In an analysis sent to Acento, with regard to the statements by the President of the National Council of Private Enterprise (CONEP), Manuel Díez Cabral, and the Governor of the Central Bank, Hector Valdez Albizu, Julio Cesar Mejia Santana says that sectors with greater capacity for growth in the economy are precisely those less ability to use the people they have.
The following document was submitted by Dr. Mejia Santana
Ten details on informal employment and the economic growth model inDominican Republic
(With regard to the controversy between the Governor of the Central Bank and the President of CONEP)
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Written by: josean, 4 Jul 2012 8:51 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
With regard to the recent clash of opinions between the President of CONEP and the Governor of the Central Bank on various topics from the national economic agenda, the Institute for Statistics and Interdisciplinary Studies for Development (IDEE) has considered relevant and timely to suggest - as repetition or affirmation - that the following points be taken into account when addressing the problems of employment in our country, in particular regarding the growth of labor informality.
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Written by: josean, 4 Jul 2012 8:52 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
Despite the almost one million net jobs created in the last decade, 85% of them created in the period 2004-2011, the Dominican economy remains today as one with the lowest capacity of new job creation in the sub region of Central America, with the exception of Nicaragua, and one of the lowest in the rest of Latin America and the Caribbean (LAC). Even in the four years that the Dominican economy grew their rate of employment generation to its greater capacity (2005-2008) (10.3%) it was surpassed by the economies of Costa Rica which experienced (17.1%), Paraguay (18.0%), Panama (16.8%), Honduras (15.6%), Chile (14.9%), Venezuela (13.5%).
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Written by: josean, 4 Jul 2012 8:54 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
With regard to the quality of the jobs created, although it is true that high labor informality is not exclusive to the Dominican Republic, but rather a characteristic feature of the economies of Latin American and Caribbean - about half of the workers in the region’s labor under this mode-, currently the level of informality of the labor force in Dominican Republic is only surpassed by the Honduras, Bolivia and Paraguay. Moreover, unlike what happened in most of the countries of the region, not even in the years of economic recovery and vigorous growth (2004-2008), or during the current economic downturn cycle of 2009-2012 does fall in the proportion of informal jobs occur in Dominican Republic a, but exactly the opposite, the tendency is to rise or surge the pace of increase.
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Written by: josean, 4 Jul 2012 8:56 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
This trend could be indicating that the high degree of informality in the jobs generated by the Dominican economy has become a structural feature of the model of growth adopted in the last three decades, which is a difficult challenge for the policies of productive and economic order that can be coordinated and implement between private and the public sectors within the framework of the national development strategy recently enacted law.
This low formal employment generation capacity explains that despite being the Dominican a "highly dynamic economy", with the highest growth of GDP per capita in LAC in the last two decades, it continues to lead the region in unemployment, the level of labor informality or precarious employability, low wages, low impact economic growth in unemployment, low labor productivity.
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Written by: josean, 4 Jul 2012 8:57 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
It is sufficiently documented that the growing expansion of informality, with the persistence of high levels of unemployment over the past two decades is result of the asymmetric growth pattern and spatially very concentrated of the Dominican economy centered in non-tradable sectors (tourism, construction, transport) and export of free zone and services sectors that have benefited from trade liberalization and exchange rate appreciation (trade)(, finance and communications, and other services), an economic model that presents a structural characteristic of insufficient generation of formal employment, since those engines sectors of economic growth are those with less relative capacity of employment generation, with a lower level of interconnection with other sectors and high intensity in informal employment.
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Written by: josean, 4 Jul 2012 8:59 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
The weaknesses in the model of growth of the last five decades have been not only in that it has had a very volatile behavior, but also in the boom years of the same expansion of employment occurred mainly in the informal sector of the economy, thereby increasing labor informality. Despite the success in economic growth, the current development model shows signs of exhaustion in terms of formal employment generation, because their engines of growth - free zone and tourism - or have entered into deep crisis (EPZs lost more than 100,000 jobs on a net basis in the past decade) or have slowed down (tourism), the collapse of the agricultural sector has deepened ,the deterioration in exports; strengthening the participation of telecommunications financial sector, and remittances from abroad.
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Written by: josean, 4 Jul 2012 9:00 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
It is clear that panorama described succinctly demands policies and integrated actions, as suggested in The National Strategy of Development (NSD) and suggests the President of CONEP. To reverse these trends, it is necessary to introduce significant changes in the pattern of growth of Dominican Republic involving at the same time, fundamental changes in the economic model. One of the greatest challenges that the productive apparatus has ahead over the next two decades is to reverse this trend of sustained increase of labor informality to be able to at least approach Goal 2.39 of the NSD to increase to 50% by 2020 and 60% by 2030 the proportion of formal employment. Still even meeting the goals of macroeconomic stability, GDP growth and other parameters of the future macroeconomic scenario projected in the NSD, the inertial tendencies and the same dynamic of growth raises serious doubts about the feasibility of achieving these goals.
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Written by: josean, 4 Jul 2012 9:02 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
In the short term based upon the horizon of the next four years of Government, it is a huge challenge for the next government administration that will be lead from the month of August Danilo Medina to achieve agreements within the framework of the NSD with the business sector - and in particular the subsector of the micro and small entrepreneurs - union representatives and civil society to achieve the creation of a climate conducive to the formalization of businesses and non-registered activities and the increased generation of new jobs in formal enterprises
Given the heterogeneity of the informal sector, in which coexist productive and labor segments of subsistence (self-employment, micro-enterprises of very low productivity) with others with accumulation capacity, is fundamental for public policies that take advantage of the latter, the formulation and implementation of policies such as those suggested in the NSD.
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Written by: josean, 4 Jul 2012 9:03 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
In particular, active policies of the labor market that can be identified and adopted within the framework of the specific objective 3.3.2 of the NSD to increase the generating capacity of formal jobs should not start from an oversizing of the participation of labor costs in total remuneration, or in an overvaluation of its impact on the poor formal employment generation, as suggests CONEP and other entities of the business sector. Currently available statistical information do not point in the direction of the widespread appreciation of the business sector of exaggerated labor costs (of dismissal and social security especially). Any initiative to reform the labor market regulations, either within the framework of the tax reform that is contemplated or of the current labor code should be oriented to improve efficiency in the distribution of labor resources, taking into account the challenges of productivity of the Dominican economy and the dynamics of real wages.
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Written by: josean, 4 Jul 2012 9:04 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
The achievement of goals of proportion of employment in the Dominican economy for the next 10 and 20 years of 50 and 60 per cent respectively require support in further empirical evidence on how the informality has responded to the cycles of growth, monetary, fiscal and exchange rate policies anti-cyclical and anti-crisis.
* The author is a demographer, Ph.d., consultant on the issue of labor market. Author of the book Employment and Unemployment in Dominican Republic: The Controversy of the Official Figures, published in 2010.
He is currently Executive Director of the Institute of statistics and interdisciplinary studies for development (IDEE).
acento.com.do/index.php/news/18797/56/La-informalidad-es-caracteristica-estructural-del-modelo-economico.html
From: United States, NJ
I wonder what would had been of LF if he was not allowed at the UASD to do his lawyer career?
I know for sure he was among the Dominicans that could not pay for his education there or
outside the country. Why was he so against public funding for Education? Maybe he is selfish
and does not want others to come up to his level. I 'lll tell , you DR is full of lawyers that are
placed as politicians, where they could steal the most with out practiceing law,because as
lawyers w/o experience he will starve. As a pre HS in NYC he was taken back home by his
mother so he could get a good education and that is the way he repays the country that made
him into a proffesional crook, to be able to see the world at DR tax payer expense.
I read all the posters above and what we need is solution to this problem. Desarm the country
get rid of the military ,police and fire all the so call politicians and start anew
Written by: josean, 4 Jul 2012 10:25 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
Mr. Rancier,
These two men post the need as you have done as well as the limitation we face for the required change;
"Written by: hernandez5482, 4 Jul 2012 5:31 PM
From: United States
we need to change the way political affairs are been handled, we need radical changes and fast. We need order, education and a honest and productive government."
"Written by: williom, 4 Jul 2012 5:48 PM
From: United States
With folks here who still can't see how and why the METRO is nationally useless, TOUGH LUCK!"
Hence the Paradox we Face in the Dominican Republic!
From: United States, NJ
Vocational HS;(JUAN BOSCO)
I believe we had one school in DR that taught poor students a trade ,but like all the Dominicans
they all want to be proffesionals and start at the top,so they would consider these a mediocre
education,but at least there is something to do while you attend University part time for free. DR
is among the few countries in LA that provides higher education for free. Providing Haiti with a
University at the expense of DR tax payers while the country's provinces are in need of one each
was a bad move ,specially for people that don't consider us as benefactotrs but slavemasters.
From: United States, NJ
Josean:
For williom it might be since some are norrow minded and think of this half finished project as
one of the World's wonder, because he probably springs from the Cpital . To the rest of us it
makes no impact in the Noth of the Island. All we know is adebt has been adquired at national
expense to foot the METRO and the rest of us have to serve as collateral to the loan. Am not
saying the METRO was not needed because it was, but was it a priority to education health and
building a power plant parallel to it to produce enogh energy to supply it plus an addition to the
national grid. So they had to float US$500 million in bonds,for the electrical sector ,so what that
will help the rest of the provinces with more electricity which is so badly needed for a growing
economy and brings industry into the country. They should had floated 3 times that amount !!
From: United States
There is no paradox...
The D.R need it...400 ,000 live in that area....Only one way to get there..maximo Gomez ave...
So, you dont think that those 400,000 need a reliable way to get to work or study...or do you think that they should be isolated form the rest of the world?
I am pretty sure that if you were one of the father of those young children living there, you would have a quick answer..
So Joseano with his B.S..
Go Leonel..you will be miss , for sure..
Written by: josean, 5 Jul 2012 5:42 AM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
"For williom it might be since some are norrow minded and think of this half finished project as
one of the World's wonder, because he probably springs from the Cpital . To the rest of us it
makes no impact in the Noth of the Island."
Mr. Rancier,
I think the way I quoted williom led you to believe he is a supporter of the METRO MANIA, quite the opposite he is not!
From: Dominican Republic
josean,
Dr. Mejía Santana plainly explains the current and past problem of our job market and the country economy. We are transitioning from an agro to mainly a service economy. But what is the answer to the big problem of unemployment and underemployment? Is it more "Zona Francas"? Tourism? Is it more Government project and investment in infrastructure? Private sector? How can we kick start the generation of better paying jobs? Obviously, a better educated population is a start.
Written by: josean, 5 Jul 2012 7:44 AM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
Arcangel96,
Here are a few stupid thoughts:
1. World Class Professional, Technical and Trades EDUCATION!
2. Reform the Banking laws to allow affordable no n-Usury Bank Interest rates to flourish, No country has been able to develop without a thriving middle class and no middle class can thrive without affordable credit rates i.e. stable/fixed interest rates.
3. Develop Public Utility Authorities free from political interference to restructure the production and delivery of both electricity and water
4. Items 2 and 3 will serve as a signal for both national and international small and large business that the Dominican Republic is Seriously Open for Business.
5. Decentralize development investments form the all in the Basket of either the Capital or Tourist Zones .Develop a more national develpoment and investment strategy.
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Written by: josean, 5 Jul 2012 7:47 AM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
6. Insist as the US does that to import cars into the country they must be made with certain amount of locally produced or assembled components, this ties in well with item 1. and the production technicians and tradesmen and women.
7. We need to explore the development of light industries such as the production of stoves, refrigerators, air conditioners etc. Things we need and consume on a large scale.
8. In prove our health care system to be competitive at world level so as to attract “Medical Tourism”, similar to what India and other countries are doing, taking advantage of the lower cost structure. We are certainly a lot closer to the US than India is. It would also be a way to improve the health care system for the nationals without putting additional tax burdens on the general populace. Example fee could be assigned to all foreign patients that could be dedicated to national health trust fund for the nationals.
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Written by: josean, 5 Jul 2012 7:53 AM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
I am sure that if an Idiot like me can think of these simplistic things the Super Erudite Purple Know it Alls can do much better. If the really were not just interested in thire own personal wellbeing at the expense of the rest of us!
From: Dominican Republic
ohhhvictor,
"So, you dont think that those 400,000 need a reliable way to get to work or study..."
And what of the other 8.6 million Dominicans that are paying for it, what benefit do they get????
As MrThelmo pointed out, yes it is needed but not as a "national priority"
Who is to say these 400thous are more important than any others?? Is it more important than a well working power grid, more of a priority than water sanitation, more of a priority than educating the children or even having clean waterways, streets, parks and beaches? Which are a benefit to all...
Written by: josean, 5 Jul 2012 8:01 AM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
stillhere,
I have never given up on trying to help a fellow human being out of the darkness of ignorance as may have helped me and will continue to, I hope in my remaining years, but when it comes to Ms. Vickey I could make an exception!
From: Dominican Republic
To quote you, it may be time to give up on this "purple clapping seal" with the hard on they have for this government and blame it all on Hipolto way of thinking...
Written by: josean, 5 Jul 2012 8:10 AM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
Before they say it, "and Hippo Thinks?"
From: Dominican Republic
@josean,
items:
1. Education. 100% agree.
2. Interest rates are around 6%. Bringing them lower could it affect inflation?
3. Develop Public Utility Authorities...I would go a step further. For example privatize the electric company completely.
4. Agree.
5. Hummm...tricky...because most on the infrastructure it is actually located in the city of Santo Domingo and tourist areas.
6. What leverage do we have? (Remember not only with US but Japan, Korea and China)
7. Agree.
8. 100% do NOT agree. It opens a whole different can of worms. How can you limit and by how much you would limit a stay? Are we going to take foreign health insurance plans? How do we make sure foreigners will not suck all the resources?
I grant you all are good ideas, and you are more intelligent than you give yourself credit for, but the reality is that any solution, even these ones, will take considerable time, investment and politics.
From: United States
says Arcangel, referring to Josean
I grant you all are good ideas, and you are more intelligent than you give yourself credit for
anyone who cannot see how intelligent this guy is, is looking in the wrong place. as my friends in the band Third World said
they might not like my style
but they like my seasonings.
you might not like Josean´s prose, but you cannot deny the substance in his observations.
Written by: josean, 5 Jul 2012 11:41 AM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
Thank you My Brother Dread it means a lot to this campesino getting pat on the back from a Highly Educated Person like yourself, especialy one that uses his tallents for the common good!!
Written by: josean, 5 Jul 2012 11:43 AM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
Arcangel96,
"8. 100% do NOT agree. It opens a whole different can of worms. How can you limit and by how much you would limit a stay? Are we going to take foreign health insurance plans? How do we make sure foreigners will not suck all the resources?"
“How can you limit and by how much you would limit a stay?”
“How do we make sure foreigners will not suck all the resources?”
Like my Korean friends say Pay First!
“Are we going to take foreign health insurance plans?”
I believe there was group of Dominican Doctors that had US Certification i.e. Medical Licenses that where, via a private consortium in Santiago, trying to seek approval to bill US insurance companies. Hence the reason the New Hospital was built so close to the airport in Santiago.
From: United States
Josean, flattery will get you...well, i do not know.
Written by: josean, 5 Jul 2012 12:43 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
"6. What leverage do we have? (Remember not only with US but Japan, Korea and China)"
Arcangel96,
The leverage is the power of purchase. We buy almost all our trucks and vehicles from the Asian producers and could require that some of the content or the assemblage, be from or done by, national sources.
Obviously that would mean the Asian auto companies who basically monopolize the Dominican Auto Market as the US essentially has abandoned the fight to compete in DR o reven in the US itself for that matter.
From: Dominican Republic
with all this poverty and no money why do i see nice cars all the time and new shopping centers.ummmmm were does the government get this money ummmm.borrowing till there little hearts content.the eurpean boom is well on its way her to dr.ttanks leonel ur f&%&&&&^ing maricon .u and ur purple crooks.at least ohhvictora aka ms.vickey is still sucking ur pipe.lol
Written by: josean, 5 Jul 2012 1:36 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
"2. Reform the Banking laws to allow affordable no n-Usury Bank Interest rates to flourish, No country has been able to develop without a thriving middle class and no middle class can thrive without affordable credit rates i.e. stable/fixed interest rates."
Arcangel96,
It appears someone is trying but the Greedy Bankers are opposing it!
The Association of Banks described as unnecessary law that seeks to regulate interests on CC
noticiassin.com/2012/07/asociacion-de-bancos-califica-de-innecesaria-ley-que-busca-regular-intereses-en-tc/
From: Dominican Republic
absolutly josean.keep up the good fight.hope all is well my friend.
Written by: josean, 5 Jul 2012 1:46 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
Although, I don’t deserve the praise, I sincerely Thank You for it Sir!
Written by: josean, 5 Jul 2012 3:16 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
Where is that NARCO-Marco PURPLE Economic Miracle again?
"Industry has lost 100,000 jobs in the past 10 years, said Ligia Bonetti"
SANTO DOMINGO - Dominican Republic.-the President of the Association of industries of the Dominican Republic (AIRD) said Thursday that the productive sector of the country has lost 100,000 jobs in the past 10 years.
According to surveys conducted by the AIRD, Ligia Valiente, Bonetti explained that this is due to the closure of companies, which has led to the decrease of the employment and the growth of informal employment.
noticiassin.com/2012/07/sector-productivo-nacional-ha-perdido-100-mil-empleos-en-los-ultimos-10-anos-dice-ligia-bonetti/
From: Dominican Republic
josean,
I'm all for better bank regulation, specially after reading all the latest scandal worldwide. Now bring it back to the context of the of the article "As Dom. Rep.’s economy grows, so does its poverty". Item 2, on your list, is interesting because, I didn't think that today our economic development was being affected by the lack of affordable credit, or were you referring to laws that would create a better climate to attract foreign investment?
Written by: josean, 5 Jul 2012 4:53 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
"I'm all for better bank regulation, specially after reading all the latest scandal worldwide. Now bring it back to the context of the of the article "As Dom. Rep.’s economy grows, so does its poverty". "
Arcangel96,
I would hope you would read my postings more carefully because the Article on Bank Regulation is on Dominican Banks!
From: United States
@jojonogood
@joseano
The angels of gloom and doom..
The incarnation of pessimism itself..
That keep posting the same garbage OVER and OVER..The worst LOSERS ever, that have NEVER been able to say anything non-particularized or constructive !
They only spread their bitterness and misery to everybody else..These guys are nothing but BIG TIME JERKS !
Why dont you go a visit a srink once for all.. I mean it..
Written by: josean, 5 Jul 2012 5:13 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
Coo,Coo,Coo!
Written by: josean, 5 Jul 2012 5:13 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
"Item 2, on your list, is interesting because, I didn't think that today our economic development was being affected by the lack of affordable credit, or were you referring to laws that would create a better climate to attract foreign investment?"
Arcangel96,
I mean a lack of credit for national small business formation, equal distribution of credit resources, and affordable consumer credit to stimulate the purchase of hard durable goods, houses cars etc..
Example:
"Santo Domingo.- While 73.4% of all bank loans goes to retail and services barely 17.6% is for the productive sector, its complaints of meager funding for agro are constant, for which they have to resort to the informal market."
Source DT
Dominicantoday.com/dr/economy/2012/7/5/44274/Productive-sectors-get-short-end-of-US105B-bank-loans
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Written by: josean, 5 Jul 2012 5:14 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
The ratio is skewed in favor of retail because of the Usury rates they are able to charge. Also the forcing of mini-agro sector to the even more expensive informal financial sector makes the rate of agro failures more prominent and the cost of the products they produce more expensive for every one!
From: United States
@joseano
The article talks about the economy grow in the last 50 years of D.R.
and you are putting all the blame on PLD party..
I didnt know the PLD was the only one running the country for the last 50 years..Sorry for my ignorance..
From: Dominican Republic
@joseano,
"I would hope you would read my postings more carefully because the Article on Bank Regulation is on Dominican Banks!"
The article starts....
"La Asociación de Bancos calificó este jueves de innecesario el proyecto de ley que busca regular el cobro de intereses de las tarjetas de crédito..."
The article, on your link, is referring to personal credit cards. It is true that access to personal credit to buy good and services helps to stimulate an economy, but in our case I don't think it will contribute significantly in our economic growth. Currently, we are dealing with approximately 42% of the population living under the poverty line. Now regulations to ease "préstamos y líneas de creditos", which is a more common practice among businesses, is whole different ball of wax.
Written by: josean, 5 Jul 2012 11:57 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
"Sorry for my ignorance.."
You couldn’t be Sorry enough in two lifetimes!
From: United States
sorry Joseano.. you are right..
PLD has been the ruling political party in the last 50 years..You ARE right!
:)
Written by: josean, 6 Jul 2012 12:02 AM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
Written by: Arcangel96, 5 Jul 2012 9:44 PM
From: Dominican Republic
"@joseano,"
I thought you were a legitimately person interested in discussing issues albeit a little condescending at times but apparently I missed judged you!
What’s with the joseano bit?
Written by: Nehesy, 6 Jul 2012 5:15 AM
From: France, London / Paris
About Dr Eric Williams' classic "Capitalism and Slavery" he stated that British slave trade generated huge profits and caused the Industrial Revolution ( confirmed by Dr Joseph Inikori's more recent study "Africans and the Industrial revolution in England). British stopped the slave trade not for the sake of the human race but for 2 main reasons all linked to money and profit :
1. They were among the biggest suppliers of Slaves in French Saint Domingue the wealthiest colony known down earth until today. British found out that it was like shooting on their own feet
2. They wanted to break the monopoly imposed by the WI absentees ( those of Jamaica were powerful ) and launch a new market in India linked to the Sugar industry( William Pitt the Prime minister had also sugar interests in India)
So by cutting the slave trade they were "gunning down" the French St Domingue and British monopolist slave traders in the WI , to open a new market for their own profit namely India
Written by: Nehesy, 6 Jul 2012 5:21 AM
From: France, London / Paris
Cont :
Wiiliam Wilberforce was fighting against slavery and the slave trade during almost 10 years before William PITT asked him to officially fight slavery in the name of Englanf . Not counting that English tried to keep St Domingue for themselves during the 1791-1804 revolution , until Toussaint kicked their @ss out of the Island...Indeed they had promised to the French slave owners that they would keep their slaves and their privileges, at the same time preaching for the end of slavery all over the world...
Written by: Nehesy, 6 Jul 2012 6:00 AM
From: France, London / Paris
Regarding DR economic's growth and the huge poverty, it is imperialism linked to internal elite corruption. The 1st needs the 2nd in order to be the most efficient possible.
Western Entities (Legal and Non Legal) invest a lot in the DR ( Hotels, High Luxury Tourism, international groups like orange) , provide Loans ( remember you will have to pay it back will FULL interest), yet the majority of Dominicans feel like they are living in hell...Well this is the harshest degree of Capitalism (Imperialism) : they invest in another country but all the returns save few " crumbs" ( i.e. the millions needed to corrupt the elite traitors ) come back to their pocket.
They Finance DR's economy for their own (real) Growth, like they do/did in other places.
If you borrow money to build your house it is not yours until the last term..And these sharks will have their money back they don't care about your people, neither your corrupted elite do.
From: Dominican Republic
@josean,
my bad, it was a typo. "mil perdones"
From: United States, Vivir sin Patria, es lo mismo que vivir sin Honor.
Alianza Pais is the only political entity that has something to offer, new people, fresh ideas and the will to do things right. I hope that Dr. Guillermo Moreno runs again in 2016, he has my vote and i hope that more dominicans open their eyes and think of the consequences of keeping the traditional political parties in power. Wha'ts at risk is the future of our nation so think twice before you cast your vote. Our country has the potential to be a great nation, but before that happens dominicans need to wake up and take part in shaping our future.
From: United States
@hernandez=jose ano=synapse
Talking nonsense again? Suena pilarin!
From: United States, Vivir sin Patria, es lo mismo que vivir sin Honor.
ohhvictor,
You lack the intellectual and moral qualities necessary to have altruistic and genuine high expectations for our society. You don’t have essence and so you are unable to see the reality of things for if you did, the hardships of our fellow countrymen will strike a chord in you as it does in me and many other Dominicans with moral stature .
From: United States
@hernandez=sypnase=joseano
You wont finish now with your Purple-seal-clapping-mafia metro B.S. ?
Your lack of argument is impressive..Not to mention your delusional disorder ( a medical condition), your schizophrenia, your prominent "purple metro" hallucinations, and all the B.S that everybody have to swallow from you..
That's why you are simply the MOST despicable guy in D.T.
It must be awful to be you.. I dont hate you ..I just feel sorry for you..
Get some medical help..I mean it..
From: United States, Vivir sin Patria, es lo mismo que vivir sin Honor.
Sure,
And your rhetorical abilities are impressive……
From: United States, Vivir sin Patria, es lo mismo que vivir sin Honor.
Also it feels really good to be me; I expose my most inner thoughts without fear and with the certainty that they are true.
From: Dominican Republic
hernandez5482... tell it like it is brother... on all accounts above well said.
"dominicans need to wake up and take part in shaping our future."
100% agreement
From: United States, Vivir sin Patria, es lo mismo que vivir sin Honor.
Thank you stillhere,
talking politics with my Dominican brothers is no easy task, many of us are fanatics of a political party and don't see the true state of affairs, a few benefit directly from the government and so they will back the government with blind eyes. No sueltan la tetera aunque se joda to' el mundo....
From: United States
hernandez, i can assure you that you have at least one supporter in this forum, if my support means anything.
From: United States
From hernandez=Joseano=scandiviking a million more disguised nicks
"I expose my most inner thoughts without fear and with the certainty that they are true."
From the biggest liar in the forum?
The guy with a delusional mind?
The architect of disinformation and disagreement in the forum? The biggest mythomaniac EVER?
The guy that suffer from a false memory syndrome is teaching us about the truth?
I am pissing on my pants!
The best joke of the week!
LOL
From: United States
says victor
I am pissing on my pants!
The best joke of the week!
you are pissing in your pants because you have not yet been potty trained.
From: Dominican Republic
why does anyone pay attention to ohhhvictoria aka ms vicky.don't u know the he/she is nuts.el marikita estas lokito lol.talks the same building block crapt every day.go play with ur lego blocks and ur tonka trucks mantio lol
From: United States
@Joseano=hernandez=sypnose=scanviking ( etc, etc..the same pathetic guy)
@dreadlocks &
@jojonogood ..the guy that I need it... The 3 most depressive guy in the forum! The people that has NEVER say anything constructive..
The angels of gloom and doom ! what a joke!
One is a clinical case ,with multiple personalities and nicks, the bully of the forum, the pathological liar..the mythomaniac,
the second one is the Jamaican drug addict that only like to talk about wheat and human feces, and now jojosnogood..! !
This is getting Better.. THey deserve each other!
Written by: josean, 8 Jul 2012 2:06 AM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
We are WATCHING you!
From: United States
victor, a school somewhere has a seat with your name on it. heed the call. go learn something. being a fool, looking for a fight, is not exactly an inspirational livelihood. start with remedial reading, and , in a decade or so, you too can be composing coherent sentences, and, maybe, counting to ten.
From: United States, Vivir sin Patria, es lo mismo que vivir sin Honor.
Dreadlocks,
I don’t know why, but most Dominicans have gotten accustomed to the way politics work, they have accepted the system imposed on them; we have to know that we can do better otherwise we will be left far behind the other Latin-American nations. We are already behind in many sectors, for example: lack of education, lack of infrastructure, lack of social programs to help citizens, lack of institutional functionality, I can go on, but you get my point.
From: United States, Vivir sin Patria, es lo mismo que vivir sin Honor.
Can you imagine, since Trujillo was killed, we haven't really had a good government with the exception of Juan Bosch and he didn't last very long. The armed forces got rid of him , why? because he was working to better the system, he was working for the people and that is not good for those making money under the table.
Written by: josean, 9 Jul 2012 10:44 AM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
"Written by: hernandez5482, 9 Jul 2012 8:01 AM
From: United States
Dreadlocks,
I don’t know why, but most Dominicans have gotten accustomed to the way politics work, they have accepted the system imposed on them; we have to know that we can do better otherwise we will be left far behind the other Latin-American nations. We are already behind in many sectors, for example: lack of education, lack of infrastructure, lack of social programs to help citizens, lack of institutional functionality, I can go on, but you get my point."
Excellent Comment Mr. Hernandez!!!!!!!
From: United States
josean, i already said that mr hernandez is a very objective thinker, who speaks with his head, not his heart.
From: Dominican Republic
some of us get your point hernandez.
I call in complacency, as long as one of their relatives has a government job all is good.
When you get your bag of rice for your vote you have no claim to justice or true democracy.
Don't rock the boat to hard or everyone will fall out and the boat will sink.
From: United States, NJ
hernandez5482:
You are absolutely correct,Am glad you see it his way dread, & josean.
From: United States
@Joseano=hernandez=sypnose=scanviking ( etc, etc..the same pathetic guy with multiple personality dirsorder)
@dreadlocks &
@stillhere ..the guy that I need it... The 3 most depressive guy in the forum! The people that has NEVER say anything constructive..
The angels of gloom and doom ! what a joke!
One is a schizophreniac that can not tell the difference between reality and fiction ,with multiple personalities and nicks, the bully of the forum, the pathological liar..the mythomaniac..
the second one is the Jamaican drug addict that only like to talk about weed and human feces, and with a grandiose delusion, and now stillhere..the bul***ter..! !
The must depressive guys int the forum!
The three stogies!
Anyone want to have them as a company?
I dont think so either.. .. :)
Written by: josean, 9 Jul 2012 6:10 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
"The must depressive guys int the forum!"
Yet you LOVE to read and comment on our postings!
PS
I think you meant to say "The MOST depressing guys on the forum” although this part of DT is not the Forum!
From: United States
victor , when i run into your mother tonight i Sosua, i will tell he that she needs to call it a day, and get a new line of work.
From: Dominican Republic
Yet Ohvic all you have done is comment and insult anyone disagreeing with government policies.
You have made on comment about the report as to whether you agree/ disagree (sorry... ohvic never disagrees with the PLD) with the current state of affairs, what could be done to make more peoples lives better.. Is it all just rosy looking from up there in the US of A, a long way from the day to day life here....
It ain't no sun shine and lolly pops, where the politicians work hard to help the people, the police are vigilante day and night and the army are doing good social works.. And you lord and savoir LF has done all within his power to make life better for every Dominican... I think NOT..
So lets see something of substance from you before you keep making assumptions about people, some of your "insight" on topics, not just more comments/insults about others comments or do you have not thoughts of your own??
notice I put insight in " " yes I know you know why... hahahah
Written by: Atabey, 9 Jul 2012 7:47 PM
From: United States, NYC
"Doom, Gloom and the Apocalyptic." DR is heading to the abyss.....no chance for success.....everyone is evil, corrupt, soiled in DR.
Their leftist defeatism is now on display against the Nation and State.
From: United States
en by: Atabey, 9 Jul 2012 7:47 PM
From: United States, NYC
"Doom, Gloom and the Apocalyptic." DR is heading to the abyss.....no chance for success.....everyone is evil, corrupt, soiled in DR.
Their leftist defeatism is now on display against the Nation and State.
can you explain ¨leftist defeatism¨? is it different than ¨rightist defeatism¨? did you write that phrase because it sounded chic in your mind? what is with you, trying to sound like some academic? has it not yet dawned on you what the limits of your capabilities are? still nursing delusions that you are some intellectual heavyweight? get real. stick to copy and paste. let the people with the minds do the work, and you do the light lifting.
From: Dominican Republic
"defeatism"
Defeatism is acceptance of defeat without struggle.
So your saying all the people asking the questions on why and what decision made by those in power are giving up?
Giving up is saying nothing and accepting the status quo.
Some of us want things better and want the true potential of this country to begin.
It's hardly "defeatism" to fight for what you believe in and being vocal about wanting change for all!!
Written by: josean, 10 Jul 2012 11:46 AM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
I support the statement above 1000% !
From: United States
he used the word for two reasons
1...it sounds like something which might be profound
2...he thinks nobody else is familiar with the concept, so he will appear to be a genius.
From: United States, Vivir sin Patria, es lo mismo que vivir sin Honor.
I think complaining about government policies and corruption is what we are supposed to do. I usually don’t like copying and pasting stuff from the internet, but here is a quote from a wise man and one of my favorite politicians of all time (Juan Bosch)
From: United States, Vivir sin Patria, es lo mismo que vivir sin Honor.
"A veces preferimos hundirnos antes que esforzarnos o sacrificarnos nos sentimos mejor estando tumbados viendo todo lo que pasa en nuestro alrededor, que levantarnos y reclamar, o defender nuestros derechos.
Nos dejamos chupar por sanguijuelas que solo se interesan por ellos mismos, mientras nuestra sociedad se hunde y vivimos marginados a la situación del país.
Ya no hay hombres idealistas, que den todo por una patria; tan solo hay hombres que buscan el beneficio de la nación.
Cómo es posible que el gabinete presidencial reciba millones de pesos del fon do monetario, para el salario de sus integrantes, mientras hay una deuda que está sin pagar, y ellos con su faz muy limpia se justifican culpando al petróleo diciendo que dizque está cada vez más caro y más escas.
From: United States, Vivir sin Patria, es lo mismo que vivir sin Honor.
"Todo en la vida cuesta"
En la historia de nuestro país, se han vivido situaciones de dictaduras, en las que el pueblo dominicano, ha sufrido maltratos y abusos, frente a los cuales, este, se ha tornado un tanto impotente, reaccionando en ocasiones y por algunos idealistas.
El pueblo dominicano al acostumbrarse a gobiernos de esta índole se ha vuelto un poco masoquista y ha olvidado los ideales en que fue cimentada nuestra nación; los trabajos realizados para ver una nación libre, ha olvidado que hay que sacrificar todo para lograr lo que uno se propone, aunque cueste.
Todo en la vida cuesta, hasta respirar cuesta un esfuerzo. Tomar una decisión nos cuesta aunque sea para nuestro bien.
From: United States, Vivir sin Patria, es lo mismo que vivir sin Honor.
En mi opinión estos son unos indigentes mentales e inmorales, pues por no sacrificar algo que supuestamente le corresponde, dejan caer al país en la miseria, sin mencionar que son personas que se ganan un salario estando sentados sin hacer nada, y de que lo sacan de los impuestos pagados por los ciudadanos."
From: Dominican Republic
And this comes from the man that fonder both the PLD and PRD...
how far the birds fallen from the tree???
"How is it that the presidential cabinet receives millions of dollars of money funds do for the salary of its members, while a debt that is unpaid,"
"not to mention that they are people who earn a salary while sitting idle, and that they remove of taxes paid by citizens. "
"to get up and complain, or defend our rights."
CAN YOU READ THAT VIC?????
Written by: jasfalon, 29 Jul 2012 3:23 PM
From: United States
10 years behind Haiti!
Tell us something else the Entire World doesn't already know!
Except of course the Denialists and PURPLE CLAPPING Apologists Seals here at DT!
Now we need to catch up to this lack of prior social investments and infrastructure; and instead of having to serve the needs of a population of 2-3 million, we have a population of close to 10 million!
But better that it be done then put off, as the problems will only metastasize further if not addressed.
Speaking of Denialists and PURPLE CLAPPING Apologists Seals!
Besides, YOU CAN'T REALLY THINK ALL these social debts can just be eliminated in say ONE TERM IN OFFICE!
It's taken many generations for DR to fall into this poor position, and it will take a considerable amount of good effort and time for her to correct or address all these manifestations of social under-investments by the government. To take one example: Education.
Danilo states he wants to establish one Full Day of schooling per year. So if he's true to his word, it will only establish 1-4 grades during his tenure in office. We would still be short 5-12 years or 8 years of Full Day education! Again, it took many decades to get into this mess, and it will take, at least, several decades to get out of all these social debts or legacy deficits.
That is why you have such an income disparity. You have 3 classes of people.
Those who practice cronyism and thievery (The Haves)
Those who expect the government to take care of them(The never will Have)
And
Those who actually work for what they have(Hated by and a juicy Target of the other 2)
In other words 500 families got much richer and the rest suffered.
Sorry 12 out of 16 years is now "ONE TERM IN OFFICE!"??
"Besides, YOU CAN'T REALLY THINK ALL these social debts can just be eliminated in say ONE TERM IN OFFICE!"
See what I mean about "Denialists and PURPLE CLAPPING Apologists Seals!"
No!.......But your God Lie-onel The NARCO-MACRO Miracle Worker has had three!
Two in the last 8 years and did NOTHING but INDEBT the nation to HISTORIC PROPORTIONS and built a USLESS METRO, neither having any impact on the well-being of the majority of Dominicans other than the PURPLE Kleptocracy!
The midlle class has grown very quickly as evidenced by the sales in houses, in cars and the number of new shops .The rich have grown richer because they avoid tax and , regrettably , there will always be a poor class just as there is in the USA, The number of hospitals and schools have increased and more money is spent on health and education even if it only the same percentage of the growing GDP.
Nothing wil please some so called Dominicans living elsewhere and not able to see what is going on here ..all they want to see is the worst side of everything
Dread it appears the Atabey and Alpha66 where twins separated at birth or rather dumped in separate garbage cans!!
The number of hospitals and schools have increased and more money is spent on health and education even if it only the same percentage of the growing GDP.
does that necessarlily mean that the quality of health care and education have improved? the ministry of education spent one million dollars on a parking lot for UASD. does that mean that more students graduated Magna Cum Laude?
Written by: elanonimo, 4 Jul 2012 11:01 AM
From: Iceland, Haitians out of DR.
Poverty? Statics show severe poverty has decreased as well as low poverty while middle clas has grown from 25% to almost 40%. I don't see poverty growing.
please give us a reference to the passages that define what is considered to be the middle class in the DR.
"I don't see poverty growing."
Its hard to see from ICELAND!
CadeJ,
Exactly!
There are more businesses in SD and in the east and they are more varied than before ,,you can see that in the export figures but there will always be a poor peasant class here for as long as I can see in the future .
To suggest that the huge improvements in the infrastucture of this country could have beenplanned and financed by anyone is not giving due praise to the man who presented the DR in a very positive way to all overseas investors and got things done.
Unlike you and I suspect many others on DT, a few of us have families and their needs to attend to. But far from being in any "self-imposed" silence, I've merely exercised my right to such responsible commitment.
As for the issue at hand, professor Moya Pons is correct in his assessment,( as am I- just check my statements from many months ago, see my Balaguer year critique).
Much could have been done but for lack of elite consensus and the immaturity of the capitalist class back in the 1960-70s. These guys missed their chance and the nation or people have had to suffer the consequences ever since. Nations that took their responsibilities seriously, South Korea, Taiwan, Costa Rica, Chile and others, have witnessed far better transformations and prosperous societies emerge.
I have hope that DR's capitalist class has enlightened itself and is finally willing to see through the necessary social investments needed to advance the State and Nation of DR.
From: Dominican Republic, Luperon
There are two horns of this dilemma for the Dominican Republic, a lack of human capital due to insufficient educaction of the public, and an excessive burden of corruption - you can begin to see the cost of corruption in an economy by watching the USA as institutionalized corruption within the federal governmentt enables corporate money. Both the limits on education and the endemic corruption serve the interests of a small portion of the Dominican population that remains in control. This is a tragedy of Spanish colonialism repeated throughout Latin America."
So right about the Spanish legacy to Latin America.
In Fukuyama's The Origins of Political Order, chapter 24, Patrimonialism Crosses the Atlantic, the theme is developed.
The creole class claimed tax exemption status and Mayorazgo and Mejora played a role in concentrating land into the hand of a few families. The Spanish Crown deeply in debt
"Patrimonialism was left embedded in many post-independence regimes."
The new post independence states of Latin America were too weak (and kept so) to challenge the creole elites. These more powerful elite arrangements that pre-dated the independence conflicts created the conditions that have caused our states so many problems: low social investments, impunity in conduct and disregard for laws and taxes. The poor fiscal habits that plague our states in Latin Americas can be traced to these old power arrangements.
When did 12 out of 16 years become "ONE TERM IN OFFICE!"??
or even 2 four year terms become one??
The 2000-2004 years produced a rather poor harvest, no? So the mess left by YOU KNOW WHO, had to be corrected and paid for.
Capitalist MAKE MORE MONEY from educated individuals. Why do you think Slavery ended in the Americas? It costs more to house, feed, and take care of the negroes than it was to have an open market for labor. Then, it was more profitable to have primary educated individuals doing work than illiterates. And on and on. Germany pays its worker good money BECAUSE these workers can produce-Be PRODUCTIVE-above a less educated work force.
So DR can make this work: provide primary and secondary education while INCREASING PROFITS for capitalist.
That nonsense about keepin' the poor poorer just doesn't fly in reality. Just check out South Korea and see what greater educational opportunities has produced. Far from draining the profits of capitalist, the economy has taken off and is now worth over ONE TRILLION DOLLARS!
"that is then an argument of what a government is obliged to provide for the people gratis"
Governments are parasites that live off the people and on rare occasions they can been helpful like, leeches, if kept in check.
No government provides anything "Gratis" or Free since they have no money other than that which the people authorize them to tax for. In the case of DR where the rich and powerful evade paying taxes legally and illegally since the right the tax laws to favor themselves more so than in other countries, the regressive value add tax ITBIS falls much harder and disproportionately on the miniscule middle class and the semi- working or underemployed poor. So in fact those with the least pay the most proportionally speaking.
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The problem in DR not that the government doesn’t have enough revenue it is that is the rich don’t pay the fair share and what is collect from the rest of society is “allocated” to thievery and USELESS projects like the METRO at the expense of the true quality of life priorities like EDUCATION, health care, potable water, affordable housing and public safety.
Capitalist MAKE MORE MONEY from educated individuals. Why do you think Slavery ended in the Americas? It costs more to house, feed, and take care of the negroes than it was to have an open market for labor.
where do you get this stuff from? open market for labor? where did this source come from? you mean there was a pool of labor that could be called in to replace slaves, which was paid a wage? where? thanks for enlightening me. i always thought that the industrial revolution was what caused places like England to focus on domestic production, and that British capitalism had simply outgrown the simplicity of slave plantations. i guess we can always look to you for enlightenment.
everyone in Villa Mela thinks the metro is fantastic ..
how about the people in La Vega? how do they like the service?
"But Josean you were opposed to the use of pension fund money to provide affordable housing"
What I am opposed to is the NARCO-Money Launderers that you support in the PLD Mafia putting the hands on that pension money. We will neither see the pensions like the sugarcane cutters or the Affordable housing other than high priced apartments for the Purple Elite built with taxpayer’s money!
I travel to Monte Plata on business at least every 90 days via Villa Mella which is probably more than you have done in your elite golf playing lifetime so I beg to differ that the masses of Villa Mella are thrilled with the USLESS METRO as you say.
Another problem with the Glorious Purple NARCO-MACRO Economic Model:
"Causes of violence in the Dominican Republic"
Speaking on the program Cuentas Claras, sociologist Celedonio Jimenez and psychiatrist Carlos de los Angeles said that certain aspects of the Dominican Republic's socioeconomic model are contributing to the increase in violence.
They said that the social structure, especially the inequality has led to an increase in violence, highlighting the fact that the minimum wage is less than RD$10,000 but that some politicians receive a basic salary of RD$950,000.
They said that 34% of young Dominicans were not studying or working and listed other factors influencing the increase in violence such as the disintegration of the family, education and the loss of values.
continued:
According to De los Angeles, violence is a complex social problem that has to be studied from the point of view of education, politics, economics and social and psychological factors in order to correct it.
He said that the State should apply public policies to promote equality of opportunity, fair salaries and employment, and satisfactory levels of education and health.
Referring to the high rate of femicides, Jimenez said that Dominicans were not ready to accept women's liberation and that men who murdered their partners were frustrated, especially economically.
However according to Jimenez and De los Angeles, all is not lost and measures should be taken to change the situation. They said that one thing that could be done is to disarm the population. Another was to reform the police, and the family should return to its formative role, schools should play their part and everyone should return to the values, responsibility and culture of peace.
DR1
Erick Williams ring a bell?
BTW, I take back my position that Slavery was becoming unprofitable (thus its downfall) and that Free labor was cheaper.
After reading "Slavery in the United States by Jenny B. Wahl, Carleton College (Economic History Association), the scholarship points to Slavery having at least as good a rate of return, 10%, as other capital options. Still the jury is out in terms of its suitability for more modern production. So I stand corrected. Erich Williams and Adam Smith were a bit too pessimistic on Slavery's profitability.
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The people of La Vega or any other part of DR gain when they visit SD and also gain from the potential savings in less pollution and easier transit when the system is completed. When the SD to Santiago railroad is constructed, the people living along the route will benefit THE MOST, but other people in the country will also see some marginal benefits.
Here is another PURPLE Achievement Little Rickey and Atabey surely doesn’t want you to know!
More than 100 women have been killed by "men" so far of the year
The murder of women has become a painful tragedy that is increasing in the Dominican Republic
The Dominican Republic is considered by international agencies as one of the countries with HIGHEST NUMBER OF FEMICIDES a year in Latin America and the Caribbean.
SANTO DOMINGO, Dominican Republic (EFE).-More than 100 women have died at the hands of their partners or ex-partners in so far this year in the Dominican Republic, the last five just last weekend, and it is feared that the figure for this year will exceed the 230 victims of 2011, what some have already qualified as "a national tragedy"
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"We are very alarmed and very concerned because we believe that this phenomenon is already a national tragedy", said Sergia Galván, Director of The Women and Health Collective, a group that since 1984 working in the defense of the rights of the Dominican women confirmed 105 femicides in the country since last January.
The expert described as "insufficient" the response of the State because of the "seriousness" of the matter and also criticized the lack of shelters for battered women and their children in the nation.
Death by domestic violence exceeds diseases under epidemiological control in the Dominican Republic, according to Galvan.
The statistics from the office of the Attorney General of the Republic to which EFE had access to demonstrate that the murders of women have gone from 190 in 2005 to 230 in 2011, while 66 deaths have been posted in the national territory between January and April 2012.
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Read the rest at:
acento.com.do/index.php/news/18793/56/Mas-de-cien-mujeres-han-sido-asesinadas-por-hombres-en-lo-que-va-de-ano.html
La República Dominicana está considerado por organismos internacionales como uno de países con mayor número de feminicidios al año en América Latina y el Caribe.
That is exactly the point... Why and who made the decision to build a more expensive underground BEFORE a cross country railway??? That helps less people, costs more, then four years after start the bus links.... Just bad decisions by inept people...
"Written by: stillhere, 4 Jul 2012 5:22 PM
From: Dominican Republic
"When the SD to Santiago railroad is constructed"
That is exactly the point... Why and who made the decision to build a more expensive underground BEFORE a cross country railway??? That helps less people, costs more, then four years after start the bus links.... Just bad decisions by inept people..."
GRAND SLAM!
stillhere,
Please don't ask Logical, Rational questions having to do with the Biggest Bang for the peso and Cost Effectiveness or you will fry the “brains" of the PURPLE CLAPPING SEALS here at DT!
(( Written by: hernandez5482, 4 Jul 2012 5:31 PM
From: United States
we need to change the way political affairs are been handled, we need radical changes and fast. We need order, education and a honest and productive government. ))
With folks here who still can't see how and why the METRO is nationally useless, TOUGH LUCK!
williom,
GRAND SLAM!!!!!!!
I am also advising you that I am going to use your Excellent Phrase “The NATIONALLY USELESS METRO”!!!!!!!!!
Note that 2/3 of that phrase is from you. I don't have much to offer. I just stop by as often as I can.
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This is the case in Dominican Rep., in 1960 we had a population of aproximately 3.3 million, nowadays 9.9 million. Health, education and public transportation, among other services, has not kept up with the population growth.
Now we will here from a Real Expert (Not Atabey of course with theories of the last century):
“Informality is a structural feature of the economic model”
"The weaknesses of the model of growth of the last five decades have been not only in that it has had a very volatile behavior, but also in the boom years of the same expansion employment occurred mainly in the informal sector of the economy, thereby increasing labor informality."
SANTO DOMINGO, Dominican Republic.-The executive director of the Institute for Statistics and Interdisciplinary Studies for Development (IDEE), Julio Cesar Mejia Santana, declared that the high degree of informality in employment in the Dominican Republic has become a structural feature of the model of growth recorded by the country in the last three decades.
continued:
In an analysis sent to Acento, with regard to the statements by the President of the National Council of Private Enterprise (CONEP), Manuel Díez Cabral, and the Governor of the Central Bank, Hector Valdez Albizu, Julio Cesar Mejia Santana says that sectors with greater capacity for growth in the economy are precisely those less ability to use the people they have.
The following document was submitted by Dr. Mejia Santana
Ten details on informal employment and the economic growth model inDominican Republic
(With regard to the controversy between the Governor of the Central Bank and the President of CONEP)
continued:
With regard to the recent clash of opinions between the President of CONEP and the Governor of the Central Bank on various topics from the national economic agenda, the Institute for Statistics and Interdisciplinary Studies for Development (IDEE) has considered relevant and timely to suggest - as repetition or affirmation - that the following points be taken into account when addressing the problems of employment in our country, in particular regarding the growth of labor informality.
continued:
Despite the almost one million net jobs created in the last decade, 85% of them created in the period 2004-2011, the Dominican economy remains today as one with the lowest capacity of new job creation in the sub region of Central America, with the exception of Nicaragua, and one of the lowest in the rest of Latin America and the Caribbean (LAC). Even in the four years that the Dominican economy grew their rate of employment generation to its greater capacity (2005-2008) (10.3%) it was surpassed by the economies of Costa Rica which experienced (17.1%), Paraguay (18.0%), Panama (16.8%), Honduras (15.6%), Chile (14.9%), Venezuela (13.5%).
continued:
With regard to the quality of the jobs created, although it is true that high labor informality is not exclusive to the Dominican Republic, but rather a characteristic feature of the economies of Latin American and Caribbean - about half of the workers in the region’s labor under this mode-, currently the level of informality of the labor force in Dominican Republic is only surpassed by the Honduras, Bolivia and Paraguay. Moreover, unlike what happened in most of the countries of the region, not even in the years of economic recovery and vigorous growth (2004-2008), or during the current economic downturn cycle of 2009-2012 does fall in the proportion of informal jobs occur in Dominican Republic a, but exactly the opposite, the tendency is to rise or surge the pace of increase.
continued:
This trend could be indicating that the high degree of informality in the jobs generated by the Dominican economy has become a structural feature of the model of growth adopted in the last three decades, which is a difficult challenge for the policies of productive and economic order that can be coordinated and implement between private and the public sectors within the framework of the national development strategy recently enacted law.
This low formal employment generation capacity explains that despite being the Dominican a "highly dynamic economy", with the highest growth of GDP per capita in LAC in the last two decades, it continues to lead the region in unemployment, the level of labor informality or precarious employability, low wages, low impact economic growth in unemployment, low labor productivity.
continued:
It is sufficiently documented that the growing expansion of informality, with the persistence of high levels of unemployment over the past two decades is result of the asymmetric growth pattern and spatially very concentrated of the Dominican economy centered in non-tradable sectors (tourism, construction, transport) and export of free zone and services sectors that have benefited from trade liberalization and exchange rate appreciation (trade)(, finance and communications, and other services), an economic model that presents a structural characteristic of insufficient generation of formal employment, since those engines sectors of economic growth are those with less relative capacity of employment generation, with a lower level of interconnection with other sectors and high intensity in informal employment.
continued:
The weaknesses in the model of growth of the last five decades have been not only in that it has had a very volatile behavior, but also in the boom years of the same expansion of employment occurred mainly in the informal sector of the economy, thereby increasing labor informality. Despite the success in economic growth, the current development model shows signs of exhaustion in terms of formal employment generation, because their engines of growth - free zone and tourism - or have entered into deep crisis (EPZs lost more than 100,000 jobs on a net basis in the past decade) or have slowed down (tourism), the collapse of the agricultural sector has deepened ,the deterioration in exports; strengthening the participation of telecommunications financial sector, and remittances from abroad.
continued:
It is clear that panorama described succinctly demands policies and integrated actions, as suggested in The National Strategy of Development (NSD) and suggests the President of CONEP. To reverse these trends, it is necessary to introduce significant changes in the pattern of growth of Dominican Republic involving at the same time, fundamental changes in the economic model. One of the greatest challenges that the productive apparatus has ahead over the next two decades is to reverse this trend of sustained increase of labor informality to be able to at least approach Goal 2.39 of the NSD to increase to 50% by 2020 and 60% by 2030 the proportion of formal employment. Still even meeting the goals of macroeconomic stability, GDP growth and other parameters of the future macroeconomic scenario projected in the NSD, the inertial tendencies and the same dynamic of growth raises serious doubts about the feasibility of achieving these goals.
continued:
In the short term based upon the horizon of the next four years of Government, it is a huge challenge for the next government administration that will be lead from the month of August Danilo Medina to achieve agreements within the framework of the NSD with the business sector - and in particular the subsector of the micro and small entrepreneurs - union representatives and civil society to achieve the creation of a climate conducive to the formalization of businesses and non-registered activities and the increased generation of new jobs in formal enterprises
Given the heterogeneity of the informal sector, in which coexist productive and labor segments of subsistence (self-employment, micro-enterprises of very low productivity) with others with accumulation capacity, is fundamental for public policies that take advantage of the latter, the formulation and implementation of policies such as those suggested in the NSD.
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In particular, active policies of the labor market that can be identified and adopted within the framework of the specific objective 3.3.2 of the NSD to increase the generating capacity of formal jobs should not start from an oversizing of the participation of labor costs in total remuneration, or in an overvaluation of its impact on the poor formal employment generation, as suggests CONEP and other entities of the business sector. Currently available statistical information do not point in the direction of the widespread appreciation of the business sector of exaggerated labor costs (of dismissal and social security especially). Any initiative to reform the labor market regulations, either within the framework of the tax reform that is contemplated or of the current labor code should be oriented to improve efficiency in the distribution of labor resources, taking into account the challenges of productivity of the Dominican economy and the dynamics of real wages.
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The achievement of goals of proportion of employment in the Dominican economy for the next 10 and 20 years of 50 and 60 per cent respectively require support in further empirical evidence on how the informality has responded to the cycles of growth, monetary, fiscal and exchange rate policies anti-cyclical and anti-crisis.
* The author is a demographer, Ph.d., consultant on the issue of labor market. Author of the book Employment and Unemployment in Dominican Republic: The Controversy of the Official Figures, published in 2010.
He is currently Executive Director of the Institute of statistics and interdisciplinary studies for development (IDEE).
acento.com.do/index.php/news/18797/56/La-informalidad-es-caracteristica-estructural-del-modelo-economico.html
I know for sure he was among the Dominicans that could not pay for his education there or
outside the country. Why was he so against public funding for Education? Maybe he is selfish
and does not want others to come up to his level. I 'lll tell , you DR is full of lawyers that are
placed as politicians, where they could steal the most with out practiceing law,because as
lawyers w/o experience he will starve. As a pre HS in NYC he was taken back home by his
mother so he could get a good education and that is the way he repays the country that made
him into a proffesional crook, to be able to see the world at DR tax payer expense.
I read all the posters above and what we need is solution to this problem. Desarm the country
get rid of the military ,police and fire all the so call politicians and start anew
Mr. Rancier,
These two men post the need as you have done as well as the limitation we face for the required change;
"Written by: hernandez5482, 4 Jul 2012 5:31 PM
From: United States
we need to change the way political affairs are been handled, we need radical changes and fast. We need order, education and a honest and productive government."
"Written by: williom, 4 Jul 2012 5:48 PM
From: United States
With folks here who still can't see how and why the METRO is nationally useless, TOUGH LUCK!"
Hence the Paradox we Face in the Dominican Republic!
I believe we had one school in DR that taught poor students a trade ,but like all the Dominicans
they all want to be proffesionals and start at the top,so they would consider these a mediocre
education,but at least there is something to do while you attend University part time for free. DR
is among the few countries in LA that provides higher education for free. Providing Haiti with a
University at the expense of DR tax payers while the country's provinces are in need of one each
was a bad move ,specially for people that don't consider us as benefactotrs but slavemasters.
For williom it might be since some are norrow minded and think of this half finished project as
one of the World's wonder, because he probably springs from the Cpital . To the rest of us it
makes no impact in the Noth of the Island. All we know is adebt has been adquired at national
expense to foot the METRO and the rest of us have to serve as collateral to the loan. Am not
saying the METRO was not needed because it was, but was it a priority to education health and
building a power plant parallel to it to produce enogh energy to supply it plus an addition to the
national grid. So they had to float US$500 million in bonds,for the electrical sector ,so what that
will help the rest of the provinces with more electricity which is so badly needed for a growing
economy and brings industry into the country. They should had floated 3 times that amount !!
There is no paradox...
The D.R need it...400 ,000 live in that area....Only one way to get there..maximo Gomez ave...
So, you dont think that those 400,000 need a reliable way to get to work or study...or do you think that they should be isolated form the rest of the world?
I am pretty sure that if you were one of the father of those young children living there, you would have a quick answer..
So Joseano with his B.S..
Go Leonel..you will be miss , for sure..
"For williom it might be since some are norrow minded and think of this half finished project as
one of the World's wonder, because he probably springs from the Cpital . To the rest of us it
makes no impact in the Noth of the Island."
Mr. Rancier,
I think the way I quoted williom led you to believe he is a supporter of the METRO MANIA, quite the opposite he is not!
Dr. Mejía Santana plainly explains the current and past problem of our job market and the country economy. We are transitioning from an agro to mainly a service economy. But what is the answer to the big problem of unemployment and underemployment? Is it more "Zona Francas"? Tourism? Is it more Government project and investment in infrastructure? Private sector? How can we kick start the generation of better paying jobs? Obviously, a better educated population is a start.
Arcangel96,
Here are a few stupid thoughts:
1. World Class Professional, Technical and Trades EDUCATION!
2. Reform the Banking laws to allow affordable no n-Usury Bank Interest rates to flourish, No country has been able to develop without a thriving middle class and no middle class can thrive without affordable credit rates i.e. stable/fixed interest rates.
3. Develop Public Utility Authorities free from political interference to restructure the production and delivery of both electricity and water
4. Items 2 and 3 will serve as a signal for both national and international small and large business that the Dominican Republic is Seriously Open for Business.
5. Decentralize development investments form the all in the Basket of either the Capital or Tourist Zones .Develop a more national develpoment and investment strategy.
continued:
6. Insist as the US does that to import cars into the country they must be made with certain amount of locally produced or assembled components, this ties in well with item 1. and the production technicians and tradesmen and women.
7. We need to explore the development of light industries such as the production of stoves, refrigerators, air conditioners etc. Things we need and consume on a large scale.
8. In prove our health care system to be competitive at world level so as to attract “Medical Tourism”, similar to what India and other countries are doing, taking advantage of the lower cost structure. We are certainly a lot closer to the US than India is. It would also be a way to improve the health care system for the nationals without putting additional tax burdens on the general populace. Example fee could be assigned to all foreign patients that could be dedicated to national health trust fund for the nationals.
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I am sure that if an Idiot like me can think of these simplistic things the Super Erudite Purple Know it Alls can do much better. If the really were not just interested in thire own personal wellbeing at the expense of the rest of us!
"So, you dont think that those 400,000 need a reliable way to get to work or study..."
And what of the other 8.6 million Dominicans that are paying for it, what benefit do they get????
As MrThelmo pointed out, yes it is needed but not as a "national priority"
Who is to say these 400thous are more important than any others?? Is it more important than a well working power grid, more of a priority than water sanitation, more of a priority than educating the children or even having clean waterways, streets, parks and beaches? Which are a benefit to all...
stillhere,
I have never given up on trying to help a fellow human being out of the darkness of ignorance as may have helped me and will continue to, I hope in my remaining years, but when it comes to Ms. Vickey I could make an exception!
Before they say it, "and Hippo Thinks?"
items:
1. Education. 100% agree.
2. Interest rates are around 6%. Bringing them lower could it affect inflation?
3. Develop Public Utility Authorities...I would go a step further. For example privatize the electric company completely.
4. Agree.
5. Hummm...tricky...because most on the infrastructure it is actually located in the city of Santo Domingo and tourist areas.
6. What leverage do we have? (Remember not only with US but Japan, Korea and China)
7. Agree.
8. 100% do NOT agree. It opens a whole different can of worms. How can you limit and by how much you would limit a stay? Are we going to take foreign health insurance plans? How do we make sure foreigners will not suck all the resources?
I grant you all are good ideas, and you are more intelligent than you give yourself credit for, but the reality is that any solution, even these ones, will take considerable time, investment and politics.
I grant you all are good ideas, and you are more intelligent than you give yourself credit for
anyone who cannot see how intelligent this guy is, is looking in the wrong place. as my friends in the band Third World said
they might not like my style
but they like my seasonings.
you might not like Josean´s prose, but you cannot deny the substance in his observations.
Thank you My Brother Dread it means a lot to this campesino getting pat on the back from a Highly Educated Person like yourself, especialy one that uses his tallents for the common good!!
"8. 100% do NOT agree. It opens a whole different can of worms. How can you limit and by how much you would limit a stay? Are we going to take foreign health insurance plans? How do we make sure foreigners will not suck all the resources?"
“How can you limit and by how much you would limit a stay?”
“How do we make sure foreigners will not suck all the resources?”
Like my Korean friends say Pay First!
“Are we going to take foreign health insurance plans?”
I believe there was group of Dominican Doctors that had US Certification i.e. Medical Licenses that where, via a private consortium in Santiago, trying to seek approval to bill US insurance companies. Hence the reason the New Hospital was built so close to the airport in Santiago.
"6. What leverage do we have? (Remember not only with US but Japan, Korea and China)"
Arcangel96,
The leverage is the power of purchase. We buy almost all our trucks and vehicles from the Asian producers and could require that some of the content or the assemblage, be from or done by, national sources.
Obviously that would mean the Asian auto companies who basically monopolize the Dominican Auto Market as the US essentially has abandoned the fight to compete in DR o reven in the US itself for that matter.
"2. Reform the Banking laws to allow affordable no n-Usury Bank Interest rates to flourish, No country has been able to develop without a thriving middle class and no middle class can thrive without affordable credit rates i.e. stable/fixed interest rates."
Arcangel96,
It appears someone is trying but the Greedy Bankers are opposing it!
The Association of Banks described as unnecessary law that seeks to regulate interests on CC
noticiassin.com/2012/07/asociacion-de-bancos-califica-de-innecesaria-ley-que-busca-regular-intereses-en-tc/
Although, I don’t deserve the praise, I sincerely Thank You for it Sir!
Where is that NARCO-Marco PURPLE Economic Miracle again?
"Industry has lost 100,000 jobs in the past 10 years, said Ligia Bonetti"
SANTO DOMINGO - Dominican Republic.-the President of the Association of industries of the Dominican Republic (AIRD) said Thursday that the productive sector of the country has lost 100,000 jobs in the past 10 years.
According to surveys conducted by the AIRD, Ligia Valiente, Bonetti explained that this is due to the closure of companies, which has led to the decrease of the employment and the growth of informal employment.
noticiassin.com/2012/07/sector-productivo-nacional-ha-perdido-100-mil-empleos-en-los-ultimos-10-anos-dice-ligia-bonetti/
I'm all for better bank regulation, specially after reading all the latest scandal worldwide. Now bring it back to the context of the of the article "As Dom. Rep.’s economy grows, so does its poverty". Item 2, on your list, is interesting because, I didn't think that today our economic development was being affected by the lack of affordable credit, or were you referring to laws that would create a better climate to attract foreign investment?
"I'm all for better bank regulation, specially after reading all the latest scandal worldwide. Now bring it back to the context of the of the article "As Dom. Rep.’s economy grows, so does its poverty". "
Arcangel96,
I would hope you would read my postings more carefully because the Article on Bank Regulation is on Dominican Banks!
@joseano
The angels of gloom and doom..
The incarnation of pessimism itself..
That keep posting the same garbage OVER and OVER..The worst LOSERS ever, that have NEVER been able to say anything non-particularized or constructive !
They only spread their bitterness and misery to everybody else..These guys are nothing but BIG TIME JERKS !
Why dont you go a visit a srink once for all.. I mean it..
Coo,Coo,Coo!
"Item 2, on your list, is interesting because, I didn't think that today our economic development was being affected by the lack of affordable credit, or were you referring to laws that would create a better climate to attract foreign investment?"
Arcangel96,
I mean a lack of credit for national small business formation, equal distribution of credit resources, and affordable consumer credit to stimulate the purchase of hard durable goods, houses cars etc..
Example:
"Santo Domingo.- While 73.4% of all bank loans goes to retail and services barely 17.6% is for the productive sector, its complaints of meager funding for agro are constant, for which they have to resort to the informal market."
Source DT
Dominicantoday.com/dr/economy/2012/7/5/44274/Productive-sectors-get-short-end-of-US105B-bank-loans
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The ratio is skewed in favor of retail because of the Usury rates they are able to charge. Also the forcing of mini-agro sector to the even more expensive informal financial sector makes the rate of agro failures more prominent and the cost of the products they produce more expensive for every one!
@joseano
The article talks about the economy grow in the last 50 years of D.R.
and you are putting all the blame on PLD party..
I didnt know the PLD was the only one running the country for the last 50 years..Sorry for my ignorance..
"I would hope you would read my postings more carefully because the Article on Bank Regulation is on Dominican Banks!"
The article starts....
"La Asociación de Bancos calificó este jueves de innecesario el proyecto de ley que busca regular el cobro de intereses de las tarjetas de crédito..."
The article, on your link, is referring to personal credit cards. It is true that access to personal credit to buy good and services helps to stimulate an economy, but in our case I don't think it will contribute significantly in our economic growth. Currently, we are dealing with approximately 42% of the population living under the poverty line. Now regulations to ease "préstamos y líneas de creditos", which is a more common practice among businesses, is whole different ball of wax.
"Sorry for my ignorance.."
You couldn’t be Sorry enough in two lifetimes!
sorry Joseano.. you are right..
PLD has been the ruling political party in the last 50 years..You ARE right!
:)
Written by: Arcangel96, 5 Jul 2012 9:44 PM
From: Dominican Republic
"@joseano,"
I thought you were a legitimately person interested in discussing issues albeit a little condescending at times but apparently I missed judged you!
What’s with the joseano bit?
1. They were among the biggest suppliers of Slaves in French Saint Domingue the wealthiest colony known down earth until today. British found out that it was like shooting on their own feet
2. They wanted to break the monopoly imposed by the WI absentees ( those of Jamaica were powerful ) and launch a new market in India linked to the Sugar industry( William Pitt the Prime minister had also sugar interests in India)
So by cutting the slave trade they were "gunning down" the French St Domingue and British monopolist slave traders in the WI , to open a new market for their own profit namely India
Wiiliam Wilberforce was fighting against slavery and the slave trade during almost 10 years before William PITT asked him to officially fight slavery in the name of Englanf . Not counting that English tried to keep St Domingue for themselves during the 1791-1804 revolution , until Toussaint kicked their @ss out of the Island...Indeed they had promised to the French slave owners that they would keep their slaves and their privileges, at the same time preaching for the end of slavery all over the world...
Western Entities (Legal and Non Legal) invest a lot in the DR ( Hotels, High Luxury Tourism, international groups like orange) , provide Loans ( remember you will have to pay it back will FULL interest), yet the majority of Dominicans feel like they are living in hell...Well this is the harshest degree of Capitalism (Imperialism) : they invest in another country but all the returns save few " crumbs" ( i.e. the millions needed to corrupt the elite traitors ) come back to their pocket.
They Finance DR's economy for their own (real) Growth, like they do/did in other places.
If you borrow money to build your house it is not yours until the last term..And these sharks will have their money back they don't care about your people, neither your corrupted elite do.
my bad, it was a typo. "mil perdones"
Talking nonsense again? Suena pilarin!
You lack the intellectual and moral qualities necessary to have altruistic and genuine high expectations for our society. You don’t have essence and so you are unable to see the reality of things for if you did, the hardships of our fellow countrymen will strike a chord in you as it does in me and many other Dominicans with moral stature .
@hernandez=sypnase=joseano
You wont finish now with your Purple-seal-clapping-mafia metro B.S. ?
Your lack of argument is impressive..Not to mention your delusional disorder ( a medical condition), your schizophrenia, your prominent "purple metro" hallucinations, and all the B.S that everybody have to swallow from you..
That's why you are simply the MOST despicable guy in D.T.
It must be awful to be you.. I dont hate you ..I just feel sorry for you..
Get some medical help..I mean it..
And your rhetorical abilities are impressive……
"dominicans need to wake up and take part in shaping our future."
100% agreement
talking politics with my Dominican brothers is no easy task, many of us are fanatics of a political party and don't see the true state of affairs, a few benefit directly from the government and so they will back the government with blind eyes. No sueltan la tetera aunque se joda to' el mundo....
"I expose my most inner thoughts without fear and with the certainty that they are true."
From the biggest liar in the forum?
The guy with a delusional mind?
The architect of disinformation and disagreement in the forum? The biggest mythomaniac EVER?
The guy that suffer from a false memory syndrome is teaching us about the truth?
I am pissing on my pants!
The best joke of the week!
LOL
I am pissing on my pants!
The best joke of the week!
you are pissing in your pants because you have not yet been potty trained.
@dreadlocks &
@jojonogood ..the guy that I need it... The 3 most depressive guy in the forum! The people that has NEVER say anything constructive..
The angels of gloom and doom ! what a joke!
One is a clinical case ,with multiple personalities and nicks, the bully of the forum, the pathological liar..the mythomaniac,
the second one is the Jamaican drug addict that only like to talk about wheat and human feces, and now jojosnogood..! !
This is getting Better.. THey deserve each other!
We are WATCHING you!
I don’t know why, but most Dominicans have gotten accustomed to the way politics work, they have accepted the system imposed on them; we have to know that we can do better otherwise we will be left far behind the other Latin-American nations. We are already behind in many sectors, for example: lack of education, lack of infrastructure, lack of social programs to help citizens, lack of institutional functionality, I can go on, but you get my point.
"Written by: hernandez5482, 9 Jul 2012 8:01 AM
From: United States
Dreadlocks,
I don’t know why, but most Dominicans have gotten accustomed to the way politics work, they have accepted the system imposed on them; we have to know that we can do better otherwise we will be left far behind the other Latin-American nations. We are already behind in many sectors, for example: lack of education, lack of infrastructure, lack of social programs to help citizens, lack of institutional functionality, I can go on, but you get my point."
Excellent Comment Mr. Hernandez!!!!!!!
I call in complacency, as long as one of their relatives has a government job all is good.
When you get your bag of rice for your vote you have no claim to justice or true democracy.
Don't rock the boat to hard or everyone will fall out and the boat will sink.
You are absolutely correct,Am glad you see it his way dread, & josean.
@dreadlocks &
@stillhere ..the guy that I need it... The 3 most depressive guy in the forum! The people that has NEVER say anything constructive..
The angels of gloom and doom ! what a joke!
One is a schizophreniac that can not tell the difference between reality and fiction ,with multiple personalities and nicks, the bully of the forum, the pathological liar..the mythomaniac..
the second one is the Jamaican drug addict that only like to talk about weed and human feces, and with a grandiose delusion, and now stillhere..the bul***ter..! !
The must depressive guys int the forum!
The three stogies!
Anyone want to have them as a company?
I dont think so either.. .. :)
"The must depressive guys int the forum!"
Yet you LOVE to read and comment on our postings!
PS
I think you meant to say "The MOST depressing guys on the forum” although this part of DT is not the Forum!
Yet Ohvic all you have done is comment and insult anyone disagreeing with government policies.
You have made on comment about the report as to whether you agree/ disagree (sorry... ohvic never disagrees with the PLD) with the current state of affairs, what could be done to make more peoples lives better.. Is it all just rosy looking from up there in the US of A, a long way from the day to day life here....
It ain't no sun shine and lolly pops, where the politicians work hard to help the people, the police are vigilante day and night and the army are doing good social works.. And you lord and savoir LF has done all within his power to make life better for every Dominican... I think NOT..
So lets see something of substance from you before you keep making assumptions about people, some of your "insight" on topics, not just more comments/insults about others comments or do you have not thoughts of your own??
notice I put insight in " " yes I know you know why... hahahah
"Doom, Gloom and the Apocalyptic." DR is heading to the abyss.....no chance for success.....everyone is evil, corrupt, soiled in DR.
Their leftist defeatism is now on display against the Nation and State.
From: United States, NYC
"Doom, Gloom and the Apocalyptic." DR is heading to the abyss.....no chance for success.....everyone is evil, corrupt, soiled in DR.
Their leftist defeatism is now on display against the Nation and State.
can you explain ¨leftist defeatism¨? is it different than ¨rightist defeatism¨? did you write that phrase because it sounded chic in your mind? what is with you, trying to sound like some academic? has it not yet dawned on you what the limits of your capabilities are? still nursing delusions that you are some intellectual heavyweight? get real. stick to copy and paste. let the people with the minds do the work, and you do the light lifting.
"defeatism"
Defeatism is acceptance of defeat without struggle.
So your saying all the people asking the questions on why and what decision made by those in power are giving up?
Giving up is saying nothing and accepting the status quo.
Some of us want things better and want the true potential of this country to begin.
It's hardly "defeatism" to fight for what you believe in and being vocal about wanting change for all!!
I support the statement above 1000% !
1...it sounds like something which might be profound
2...he thinks nobody else is familiar with the concept, so he will appear to be a genius.
Nos dejamos chupar por sanguijuelas que solo se interesan por ellos mismos, mientras nuestra sociedad se hunde y vivimos marginados a la situación del país.
Ya no hay hombres idealistas, que den todo por una patria; tan solo hay hombres que buscan el beneficio de la nación.
Cómo es posible que el gabinete presidencial reciba millones de pesos del fon do monetario, para el salario de sus integrantes, mientras hay una deuda que está sin pagar, y ellos con su faz muy limpia se justifican culpando al petróleo diciendo que dizque está cada vez más caro y más escas.
"Todo en la vida cuesta"
En la historia de nuestro país, se han vivido situaciones de dictaduras, en las que el pueblo dominicano, ha sufrido maltratos y abusos, frente a los cuales, este, se ha tornado un tanto impotente, reaccionando en ocasiones y por algunos idealistas.
El pueblo dominicano al acostumbrarse a gobiernos de esta índole se ha vuelto un poco masoquista y ha olvidado los ideales en que fue cimentada nuestra nación; los trabajos realizados para ver una nación libre, ha olvidado que hay que sacrificar todo para lograr lo que uno se propone, aunque cueste.
Todo en la vida cuesta, hasta respirar cuesta un esfuerzo. Tomar una decisión nos cuesta aunque sea para nuestro bien.
how far the birds fallen from the tree???
"How is it that the presidential cabinet receives millions of dollars of money funds do for the salary of its members, while a debt that is unpaid,"
"not to mention that they are people who earn a salary while sitting idle, and that they remove of taxes paid by citizens. "
"to get up and complain, or defend our rights."
CAN YOU READ THAT VIC?????