A Latin miracle = a White Dominican!

"separate countries with separate languages"?

Wow, what insight, what depth of knowledge and wisdom - he must be divine!

Now Roy,

Just because he is politically evasive and disingenuous is no reason to condemn him, unless you are willing to condemn Lie-onel, Danilo and Margarita and the entire PLD Political Committee!

We are only talking about Haitians that are here without visas or proper documentation ,,there is no argument about Haitians who are here legally ..so what is he on about

Okay, josean,
Basta says he's white. He looks deep pink to me, maybe almost light purple?

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Why was he saying something, if he had no opinion?
The vatican could well absorb to take maybe 500,000 illegal Haitian "tourists" in DR, to "spread the word" worldwide, and take them off our welfare rolls.

Right on!!

Generoso

DR is a piece of land with all kinds of social, financial, and structural issues and downfalls and now these ppl want to add the Haitian variable to DR.

Why don't you recommend uniting them with the Russians, Germans, Swiss, etc?

JPDTrinity
The Russians would put them to work in a gulag for sure, there they can eat, sh.t and f..k in the same place as they do in DR. Pretty soon you will have untold millions claiming their Russian nationality, and saying that they have been there since before the czars, and where discriminated.

"I can only support with my prayers and my great sympathy for these two great countries."

Good...keep praying.............and just keep it that way and just butt out !!

However, I am concerned......he has great sypathy for these "two great contries."
Can you believe the guy cant tell the differencebetween the two or he does not know the meaning of GREAT !!

I forgive him, I just realized he is Polish, there is a fine line between Haiti and Poland...........Did not Haiti have quick spurt of Polish soldiers stay over from the Nepoleon Army.

"I forgive him, I just realized he is Polish, there is a fine line between Haiti and Poland...........Did not Haiti have quick spurt of Polish soldiers stay over from the Nepoleon Army"

Yes, there were polish troops in the Grand Army and some of them stayed on after the French debacle in Haiti and became "Black" Haitians, as the Constitution forbade any other racial distinction for citizenship. They were mostly located in the southern part of Haiti.


Haitians in Dom. Rep not as simple as it looks, the Vatican

Vatican nuncio Jozef Wesolowski is trying to be diplomatic, but I think he means somethig along the lines of what Rich mentioned: We are only talking about Haitians that are here without visas or proper documentation, there is no argument about Haitians who are here legally"

A formal and legalized system that would permit some Haitian laborers to work in DR, but not flood the DR with undocumented workers. With good transport, someday there might be a fast alterna

alternative to getting documented workers that live and rear their young in Haiti working in DR without all these hang ups.

But in order for this to take place, a strong economic expansion in Haiti needs to happen. Adequate housing and a sense of a better future must be part of the equation if Haitians are to be convinced, after so many dreadful generations of aspirations gone unanswered, that this time things will be different. And that's the tall order these leaders have to come to terms with: people want results, Basta!

The Dominican Republic will never become a mature, vibrant, multiracial nation as long as citizens hold the view that to be Dominican you must have Dominican ancestry.

Also failure to secure boarders cannot be compensated for with racism or phony patriotism. You let them in then you deal with the problem you've created.

Roy
Our nationality laws prescribe and describe "jus sanguini" and they have for years with good reason.
We do not desire to become one with Haitians, and that is a fact. Other countries such as the USA have a "jus soli" requirement in their constitution, which means that citizens born in the US of foreign parents are Americans. This was done at a time when the US needed heavy immigration from abroad.
So I disagree with your reasonings, Haitians should remain in Haiti, and Dominicans in DR, and BTW the DR is a vibrant, mature, multiracial nation.

Does this guy also know of all the Haitian brothel locations too???

@Generoso

Well stated.....!!!!

Mas claro no canta un Gallo.............:-)

Whoever keeps pushing for unification of the island clearly wants war. As long as there's a dominican still alive in the DR, Haiti will not take over our country again.

Vivacuba,
The guy's a Catholic priest. You will have to ask someone else how you can locate them.

generoso,

Every nation has the right to decide who it lets in and who can have the benefits and responsibilities of citizenship. However it is not Haiti's fault that despite having more generals than a superpower, the Dominican Republic has totally failed to secure its boarder with Haiti, perhaps as a consequence of Dominican personal greed overriding the national interest and an insatiable appetite for, and tolerance of, graft and corruption.

As for maturity, look no further than the last election - more in common with a children's circus than a democratic process.

It is simple. The problem is that Dominicans enslave Haitians to cut their cane, plant and pick their food, build their buildings, harvest their salt, etc., etc., etc. Haitians do all the jobs that Dominicans won't do, and employers can pay them less, or nothing. No Haitians, no food or construction.
Besides, Dominicans feel inferior to other world cultures, and need a culture to feel superior to - Haitians. And these are the people that RD got independence from, not a big imperialist nation, and this still doesn't sit well with Dominicans.

@Trujillo

Y
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if we really want to, we can again

Bwa hahahahaaha

@jasfalon

and
Dominicans
do Jobs
Americans
wont do

I
see
that
dominicans
have
been
flagging
me
but
that
will
not
stop
me

even if you erase my posts , i will make sure , the next time gets "Three Times HOTTER"

Mwa
hahaha

you cant stop me

@Jasfalon-I am sorry but for such a small paragraph you wrote so much crap it is nauseating and made my stomach turn.

@Haiti4Ever-Please come back when you grow up. Every or any one of us should not waste their time responding to rubbish.

@jasfalon-"The problem is that Dominicans enslave Haitians.."

That's funny....the last time I saw a slave ship everyone on board was pulled out of the jungle, placed in chains, hearded up like cattle, were sent straight across the ocean to the other side of the world and once landed, auctioned off as chattel property and were then coerced to a life time of brutal labor.

Unless the dynamics of slavery has changed, I heard slavery was a civil relationship in which one person has absolute power over the life, fortune, and liberty of another. Can you please describe how many Haitians actually fit that description......Please !!!! Perhaps I heard wrong or Haitians are a bunch of masochist who flood the other side of the island to be the first in line for the high paying executive position of slave.

@jasfalon-"Dominicans feel inferior to other world cultures, and need a culture to feel superior to - Haitians"

So I guess Pto Ricans feel inferior and need Dominicans to feel superior
So I guess US citizens feel inferiior and need Mexicans and other hispanics to feel superior
So I guess the Israelis feel inferior and need the Arabs to feel superior.
So I guess the British feel inferior and need the Irish to feel superior.
So I guess the Venezuelans feel inferior and need the Colombians to feel superior.
So I guess the Costa Ricans feel inferior and need the Nicaraguans to feel superior.
So I guess Pakistans feels inferior and needs India and Bangladesh to feel superior.
So I guess the Greeks feels inferior and need Greek Cypriot-controlled south from the Turkish Cypriot-controlled north to feel superior

@Jasfalon-"And these are the people that RD got independence from, not a big imperialist nation, and this still doesn't sit well with Dominicans."

This one really baffled me......what exactly about getting "independence from, not a big imperialist nation" does not "....sit well with Dominicans." What exactly do you mean by this? What does that have to do with the price of beans?

Who cares where you get independence from as long as you get it and never lose it. I would assume it would be the other way around, worse if one is held hostage by the underdog.

@jasfalon-"No Haitians, no food or construction."

Oh that's funny, I just wonder who the hell was planting crops and building houses before the Haitians came over ?

I guess the whole of the Dominican Republic was starving and homeless before the influx.
I will pray every night, thank-you Haiti for the food I eat and the roof over my head-AMEN !!!!

@guillermone

You may not been starving , but you might one day ,maybe faster than you think.
Only f00ls and 1di0ts "BRAG "
The f00l say to himself , nothing can happen to him .



I ll get back to you on that soon .
They wanna b@n me for posting my stuff , but the d0minican will get away with it

I ll be back soon .

MWA ha

Guillermone you are living in the past.
There are no Dominicans like Duarte, Sanchez or Mella any more, Dominicans don't cut their own cane, dig their own ditches, build their own hotels or pick their own chokos any more either.

Roy "..Dominicans don't cut their own cane, dig their own ditches, build their own hotels or pick their own chokos any more either"

Yes I am aware of that--but that is besides the point. I was simply refuting the allegation made by Jasfalon who claims Dominicans would be helpless if and had it not been for the Haitians. That is not accurate, it is a bunch of crap. The only reason why natives do not perform these jobs is because they have been displaced out of the job market. Employers prefer undocumented Hatians because they can circumvent DR labor laws, pay below market wages and avoid contributions to social security fund. Remember a starving Haitian will work for a plate of food and a quiet nook to sleep for a night. No self respecting native would stoop that low and would rather immigrate to other countries to perform the same jobs they refused back home.

My wife's family are all farmers from the Cibao, although they are along in years to this day continue to work the land

@guillermone

A
Man
That will just work to feed himself , is considered , to be a real man , he is not ashamed to do garbage collection in the back of a truck doesn't care who sees him do it " you F00l"

You said a Haitian will work for a plate of food but a Dominican would prefer to steal that plate of food

A real man has no shame , he will do any job to survive

I was harsher , but I edited some of this post .

@guillermone

Check
Your
Message box
And see. What I sent you
For sure it's no Greeting card
Enjoy reading it

MWA hahahaha

@guillermone

You claimed that you are farmers
No , I bet you're not
You're a "Lawnmower " in the USA

MWA hahahahahaha


Farmers are rich by the way , you re definitely not
Please , dont mistake farming , for lawn mowing

MWA hahahahahaha

You live in the states , because you're running from poverty
I know that over the Internet we are all successful people
I go with messages now , wish I could get down dirtier , but since I am Haitian they will ban me like before , from now on mostly messages , so I could tell you what I would like to do with your Dominican mothers .


MWA hahahahahahahahaha

Don't forget who you're dealing with , change of name but still the same very proud Haitian as before .

M......
F...

@guillermone

Most latin0s are doing jobs that Americans won't do
We d wrk for a plate of food ,
But your women ? Oh gosh......
MWA hahahahahaha

Anyway go in your box and read
MWA hahahahahaha

M.....
F......

Bet you thought , you had me there .

@guillermone

Approximately 100,000 Dominicans now live in Puerto Rico, of whom about 30,000 are thought to be undocumented illegal immigrants. Some Dominicans are en route to the USA, using Puerto Rico as a take off point, but most remain, forming a distinct enclave minority on the island.

No other sector of Puerto Rico's population has grown as quickly over the last four decades. Dominicans have displaced Cubans as the leading foreign-born population group, and are now the largest and most visible ethnic minority on the Island. 75 per cent of the migrants live in San Juan where a bustling Dominican community has emerged. San Juan now has the second largest number of migrant Dominicans after New York City.

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Housing for the increased numbers of undocumented immigrants is becoming a problem. For the first time in Puerto Rican history, many Dominican migrants now live in ghetto-like conditions: i.e. inner city areas where large concentrations of poor ethnic and racial minorities crowd together in deteriorated housing quarters, segregated by class, colour, and national origin.

Many of the immigrants are now young men with an elementary education and an unskilled job in the Dominican Republic. Others are poor women who worked as domestics, factory workers, or informal traders back home.


Many female migrants leave their families behind due to the risk of illegal travel and the high cost of living in Puerto Rico. They are often the first to move abroad thereby paving the way for later migration by other relatives.

@guillermone

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However as the number of Dominicans in Puerto Rico has grown, they have increasingly become the victims of racism and xenophobia. Numerous studies have documented the increasing hostility towards Dominican immigrants on the Island and its effect on their public image. Like other disadvantaged minorities, Dominicans in Puerto Rico are the main targets of a range of ethnic jokes, racial slurs, quips and anecdotes.

At the root is what some regional sociologists have described as the 'white bias'. This causes Dominicans to be perceived in Puerto Rico in a very similar manner to the way Haitians are viewed in the Dominican Republic and ultimately how Puerto Ricans themselves are viewed in the United States.

@guillermone

Continue.....

In the Western Hemisphere the colour/caste system introduced during slavery and the colonial era has created a distinct preference for lighter coloured skin and European physical features. The degree of discrimination experienced by an individual ends up being dependent on those features as well as a combination of additional factors including family background, income / educational levels, cultural orientation, and the accent used when speaking Spanish or alternative language.

Stereotyping

Puerto Ricans tend to typecast Dominicans as being darker-skinned than themselves and emphasize their African influenced facial features and hair texture. Hence Dominicans in Puerto Rico like the darker skinned Haitians in their own country end up experiencing the intense stigmatization, stereotyping, prejudice, discrimination, low social ranking and exclusion to which people of African origin have long been subjected to in that country and elsewhere.

@guillermone

Continue......

The views held by the Puerto Rican public are among the key factors blocking full integration of Dominicans into Puerto Rican society however this is further complicated by the contradiction between the social reality and the perception Dominican immigrants have of themselves. Dominicans historically have developed the habit of thinking and describing themselves as 'indios' (Indians). This is a loosely descriptive title meaning ' brown-skinned' primarily employed to avoid having to use the words 'black or mulatto.'

The racialization of Dominican immigrants permeates all aspects of their lives and efforts to become incorporated into Puerto Rican society. This ranges from job discrimination and difficulty in finding housing to getting an education, and marriage partner choices. Moreover it is extended into the second generation.

@guillermone


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Due to its close association with the United States, Puerto Rico has enjoyed the richest per capita economy in all of Latin America, aided by substantial investment from American businesses. Meanwhile the Dominican Republic has continued to demonstrate poor economic performance with a large portion of the society experiencing extreme poverty.

Current issues
The considerable hostility towards Dominicans in Puerto Rico, and their numbers and their affect on wage levels continues to be exaggerated in the media.

Dominicans are ridiculed in the popular media as comic, ignorant, vulgar, and unruly characters. Graffiti such as 'De ath to Dominicans' has occasionally appeared on public walls in the capital and anonymous leaflets denouncing 'The Dom inican Plague' have been produced and distributed in academic conferences.

@guillermone

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Discrimination

Since racialist classification also identifies Dominicans as being overwhelmingly black and 'mulatto' and therefore a threat, the Puerto Rican authorities often arrest Afro-Puerto Ricans without identification, assuming them to be illegal Dominican migrants.

The linking of the idea of being 'dominican or dominicano' with being 'black or negro' makes it more difficult for immigrants to be accepted by the dominant society.
Illegal migration

@guillermone

Yolas

Because of the large number of lives that can be lost during the yola trips, governments of Puerto Rico and the Dominican Republic have launched massive media campaigns to try to reduce the traffic. In the Dominican Republic, videos of dead bodies on the water are shown on television as a deterrent.

Puerto Rican nationals who traffic in illegal immigrants to Puerto Rico face long periods in jail if apprehended however Dominicans who get caught are usually flown back to their country on commercial airlines where they do not face criminal charges.

@guillermone


This f..... Site won't let me post the rest but I message it to you , by the way

It s also the best part which I wanted everyone to read .


You think because of your little tourism boom , you're respected , I beg to differ

Your house n,....,. Mentality is still there

@Roystone

I
Hope
You're reading
But being smart , you are probably aware of this already ..
They think because they have a little more than Haiti they are something .

MWA hahahahahahaaha

@guillermone

If a Dominican gets a new shirt , he goes to show it off to the entire neighborhood while m0cking his neighbor , but forgets that he too was once there .

That s their mentality ,
These house n.........

@guillermone


Do
Not
Mess

With
Me
B0y.......

You should know me by now


A little song .......
If you don't know me by now , you will never , never , never know me
Oooh , ooh yeah


MWA hahahahahaha

Stuff
Dominicans
Hope
Others
Don't
Get
To hear about

MWA hahahahahaha

@guillermone

Behave

Or you shall see that I post more

MWA hahahahahahahahaha

I
Know
I am being fla gge d , the h..pocrites , don't want me to comment .

Imagine
One Haitian alone against numerous. S......l......V....

HAITI4Ever has snapped.............He needs to be taken away in a straight jacket.

Relax, Relax, Relax...........perhaps a sedative might help. I will call your parents so they can come pick you up to take you home.

@Haiti4Ever"I

"Know
I am being fla gge d , the h..pocrites , don't want me to speak."

No............we want you to speak, but it must be respectful, coherent and balanced, not the gibberish you incessantly ramble.

There's gotta be a loophole for me to get out of hell!
I'd whip haiti into shape in a month and then I'd thank the Dominican Republic for babysitting my people.

@Papadoc


Y
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YAWN..??
You hungry my boy?
How about a special haitian cookie?

@Papadoc

Zzzzzzz
Zzzzzz
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I
Drink
Wine and eat cheese
That
You've never Had at your table ,
I can afford more than a cookie ,
being in the food industry ,
my taste is way beyond yours

Eat your " tainted Salami " or chicken

You
.......
1mbecil3


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I also hallucinate right after having our favorite haitian treat.

Yawwn...cough,cough...(fart)

Hey Guillermone, Wow you're stupid. You don't even know the REAL country, or you don't want to know.

@guillermone wow i have never seen you so quiet. i am suprise.YOU LET ME DOWN, @HAITI4EVER YOU TO HARD AT LEAST YOU COULD'VE USE VASELINE HAHAHAHAHAH

@the_haitian

Are you gay too?

@the_haitian-You are a Masisi with a capital M.

W'ap konn goje ou poko konn goje bounda santi mwen vle di masisi masisi sal.

@ Danny 00 no just you and guillermone for all your dating information reefer to his in inbox jajajaja sorry I thought I was in dr English laughter hahahaha he is part of the LBG community . I love WOMEN I know you never had one. TRY IT YOU WILL LIKE IT

Be careful when the_haitian gets down on them guys with wigs, he might get poked in the eye.

@ damn 00 and guillermone did I hit a nerve you have rights now. Don't get mad just get out of the closet. Your yola made it welcome to the land of milk and honey