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Santo Domingo.- Vicini Group CEO Juan Vicini on Tuesday proposed dividing the power grid into two systems: profitable and unprofitable, to establish a real (not subsidized) rate for circuits that can afford it, to spur private investment in the sector, and warned that Dominican Republic must invest in Haiti “to avert entering a catastrophe."

"People who can pay the energy shouldn’t have a subsidy," the mogul said.

Vicini said a mechanism can be established for unprofitable circuits to guarantee their inclusion in the service, such as installing solar panels to supply a particular demand and provide their surplus to the system.

Speaking in the American Chamber of Commerce seminar "Electricity sector: problems, challenges and opportunities at the gates of a grand pact," the business leader warned of the imminent increase in energy demand in Haiti and Dominican Republic, from a young population with high growth prospects.

In his dissertation “Energy market projection: supplied demand vs. satisfied demographics," Vicini said that’s reason the public and private sectors should establish strategies to deal with increased demand for public services and jobs. “If the foundations to deal with the situation that lies ahead aren’t created, the country cannot respond to the new reality.”

He justified Vicini Group’s considerable investments in the energy sector, despite that the country doesn’t have a shortage in supply.

Vicini also justified his business vision that includes Haiti, noting the neighboring country’s unfavorable conditions that he affirms spurs immigration to the Dominican Republic. "We must establish the minimum amount of investment to avert entering a catastrophe."

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113 comment(s)
Written by: Danilo, 19 Mar 2014 9:36 AM
From: Dominican Republic, SDQ --- VIGILADOR.COM (Beta) - Vigilando nuestra Quisqueya
I say we should distance ourselves from the impending civil war in Haiti and build a Great Wall to prevent the war from spilling over to our side.
Written by: Mike36, 19 Mar 2014 9:50 AM
From: Haiti
A Great Wall can't stop Haitian
Written by: Atabey, 19 Mar 2014 10:31 AM
From: United States, Bring DT Forum Back--


Haiti needs investments but will her leadership finally do what it has NEVER done before in its history: govern for the people and future of Haiti?



Written by: guillermone, 19 Mar 2014 10:33 AM
From: United States, Bring Back DT Forum

Personally, anything that a capitalist can say, I would take with a grain of salt. These people have no loyalty to anything, other then to the almighty dollar or what ever the bottom line might dictate.
Written by: jasfalon, 19 Mar 2014 10:46 AM
From: United States

Great! Now the RD ruling elite want to take over Haiti with the Haiti ruling elite.
Written by: rokete, 19 Mar 2014 10:58 AM
From: Dominican Republic, (((( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !! ))))
Danilo .....

I send that thought 1000 %

A 16 feet wall at the border in the real solution.

Mike36 ....

A sharp shooter every 100 feet will do the rest, to stop the Haitians before they reach the wall !!

DEPORT THE HAITIANS AND THEIR ILLEGAL OFFSPRING !!

LETS BUILD A 16 FEET. ELECTRIC WALL AT THE BORDER !!
Written by: ignoranceisbliss, 19 Mar 2014 11:40 AM
From: United States
Written by: Danilo, 19 Mar 2014 9:36 AM

I say we should distance ourselves from the impending civil war in Haiti and build a Great Wall to prevent the war from spilling over to our side.

What war? the paid demonstrations of the past to make it appear haiti is unstable. The nationalist want to build a wall while the business class are working together
Written by: josean, 19 Mar 2014 12:02 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016


All he is saying is........

That $2 Billion Dollars Trade Surplus must be defended at all Cost and it is ALWAYS about the ECONOMIES STUPID!



Written by: Trinitario809, 19 Mar 2014 12:09 PM
From: Dominican Republic, is not the solution to Haiti's problems !
Mike, you've been stopped before, without any walls.....several times.
Written by: generoso, 19 Mar 2014 12:15 PM
From: Dominican Republic, ****Raise your words, not your voice. Rain grows food, not thunder.****
Build the fence.
Dominican investments in Haiti Cherie? After all this? U MAD?



The Haitians shot themselves in the foot, ONCE AGAIN!
Written by: Atabey, 19 Mar 2014 12:46 PM
From: United States, Bring DT Forum Back--


Time for another Emperor in Haiti.

Faustin II ?


Written by: guillermone, 19 Mar 2014 12:47 PM
From: United States, Bring Back DT Forum

The Vicini family don't give a GOD DAMN FuCxkxs about the DR.

They are one of the main culprits of why we have a Haitian crisis in the first place. And now we are we going to allow the mouse take care of the cheese? HELL NO !!!!!!!!!!
No way Jose.............or as they say next door No way Pierre.........
Written by: generoso, 19 Mar 2014 1:11 PM
From: Dominican Republic, ****Raise your words, not your voice. Rain grows food, not thunder.****
guillermone

Not only that THEY are partly responsible for bringing all the braceros in, and then being too cheap to send them back.
There is no way that the DR can avoid, giving the children of the braceros DR nationality. They deserve it anyway, because they have never been to Haiti, and many don't even speak patois.
But these are estimated to be only 22 thousand, which will not make a big difference anyway.

Build the fence, reinforce the border, repatriate humanely those that are illegal and have no jobs, and give nationality to those 22K, is the only and just way.
Written by: Atabey, 19 Mar 2014 1:16 PM
From: United States, Bring DT Forum Back--


And with Cold War II getting started, Señor Biden might not be traveling down to the island anytime soon.


Written by: Gomezmedia, 19 Mar 2014 1:51 PM
From: United States
Finally, it appears the ultra-nationalists are seeing the writing on the wall and should immediately start removing the world "IRREVOCABLE" currently attached to their usernames, slogans, and so on and replace with the world "REVOCABLE."

The reason? the DR is looking for a compromise and will soon BACK DOWN. Those affected by the ruling will be granted their nationality back; a limited amnesty will be offered to those with proper Haitian identification and the rest (undocumented migrants) will be repatriated in a humane manner as part of agreement between Haiti and the DR.

Closing the border with an electric fence would also close the $2 billion annual trade (most of which pass through the border) between the two countries. A more realistic approach would be a considerable increase in border security and personnel involving both countries. These are short-term solution. A long-term solution would definitely involve a considerable improvement in
Written by: Gomezmedia, 19 Mar 2014 1:52 PM
From: United States
in Haiti's economy, quality of life and administrative infrastructure.
Written by: Trinitario809, 19 Mar 2014 2:28 PM
From: Dominican Republic, is not the solution to Haiti's problems !
Hey Gomez, are you changing your tune?

You ALMOST made sense, but you're not there yet.
Written by: rokete, 19 Mar 2014 2:30 PM
From: Dominican Republic, (((( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !! ))))

Gomezmierda ....

Are you a comedian or comedic character !!

These people that "possibly might get amnesty ", are the brazeros children. This has been a proposed humanitarian resolution by the government and approved by Dominicans in general. Way before the big fuss Haitian lies and accusations. If you think you are getting something new, think again, for the big fuss in the international arena has hurt those people more, than helped. The brazeros children amount just a little over 24,000 only.

FOR WHICH AFTER ALL THE DAMAGE DONE, I NO LONGER SUPPORT !

The fence, it helps Haiti more because taxes can be collected to benefit the country at large, and not just a few corrupt border patrol, and unscrupulous business men.

For Dominicans it would control the illegal migration, and stop Haitian criminals from crossing the border.

Still the TC rule is

IRREVOCABLE AND DEFINITIVE SINCE 1929.

THE BORDER ELECTRIC FENCE IS THE SOLUTION !



Written by: tambora, 19 Mar 2014 2:33 PM
From: United States, June 6, 2014 - Josean translated the surname "Castillo" to "Castle." Proof that Josean LIES about being Dominican or even Hispanic!


@Gomezmedia

Nope, not so fast. I highly doubt you will see Compatriota Rokete remove irrevocable from his slogan any time soon.

Let's not twist the words of the TC decision. The braceros and their children are the ones affected by the TC ruling (along with some other nationalities). If the regularization plan goes as previously stated then the braceros, their children, and the other nationalities will for the FIRST time be given Dominican nationality. It's NOT that they lost it and are now getting it back. Let's get that REAL CLEAR!!

DR is NOT backing down from anything. This is what DR originally said it would do shortly after the TC decision. Don't act like this is some new concession you have scored.
Written by: tambora, 19 Mar 2014 2:34 PM
From: United States, June 6, 2014 - Josean translated the surname "Castillo" to "Castle." Proof that Josean LIES about being Dominican or even Hispanic!


Gomezmedia said:

"a limited amnesty will be offered to those with proper Haitian identification and the rest (undocumented migrants)"


===========================================================================
Here we go again with the Jedi Mind tricks.

Zero limited amnesty should be offered and that was not on the table after the TC ruling.
Written by: Trinitario809, 19 Mar 2014 2:34 PM
From: Dominican Republic, is not the solution to Haiti's problems !
Rokete, all of a sudden he's not advocating for giving Dominican documentation up to 2013.

Something's up.
Written by: Trinitario809, 19 Mar 2014 2:35 PM
From: Dominican Republic, is not the solution to Haiti's problems !
Notice how also reffered to the illegals as "indocumented immigrants".

That's cute.
Written by: tambora, 19 Mar 2014 2:36 PM
From: United States, June 6, 2014 - Josean translated the surname "Castillo" to "Castle." Proof that Josean LIES about being Dominican or even Hispanic!


@Trini

I'll tell you what's up. Yes, Gomezmedia is advocating it in a sneaky way:

"a limited amnesty will be offered to those with proper Haitian identification and the rest (undocumented migrants)"

============================================

In other words, that is saying oh you know those born in DR through 2013. But those illegals who were not born there, you can deport those.
Written by: tambora, 19 Mar 2014 2:38 PM
From: United States, June 6, 2014 - Josean translated the surname "Castillo" to "Castle." Proof that Josean LIES about being Dominican or even Hispanic!


@Gomezmedia

Your "Dominican half" of your family should have taught you the following:

El Dominicano no es bobo!

We are not asleep at the switch now.
Written by: tambora, 19 Mar 2014 2:40 PM
From: United States, June 6, 2014 - Josean translated the surname "Castillo" to "Castle." Proof that Josean LIES about being Dominican or even Hispanic!


Written by: Mike36, 19 Mar 2014 9:50 AM

From: Haiti

A Great Wall can't stop Haitian

======================================================

This right here is another Jedi Mind trick. LOL.
Written by: Trinitario809, 19 Mar 2014 2:41 PM
From: Dominican Republic, is not the solution to Haiti's problems !
You hit it Bro'.
Written by: tambora, 19 Mar 2014 2:49 PM
From: United States, June 6, 2014 - Josean translated the surname "Castillo" to "Castle." Proof that Josean LIES about being Dominican or even Hispanic!


"a limited amnesty will be offered"

==============================================

Como quien diga -- yo se que tu tiene que hacerlo. Mira la palabra -- will. Muy interesante esa palabra.
Written by: tambora, 19 Mar 2014 3:11 PM
From: United States, June 6, 2014 - Josean translated the surname "Castillo" to "Castle." Proof that Josean LIES about being Dominican or even Hispanic!


Speaking of that fence. I have heard about that "tax wall" Haitians started to build. I heard that it possibly encroaches on Dominican land and that part of it is not on the proper international dividing line. This needs to be thoroughly investigated.
Written by: rokete, 19 Mar 2014 3:43 PM
From: Dominican Republic, (((( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !! ))))
Edito
Written by: josean, 19 Mar 2014 4:07 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016

Sentencia y haitianos: que quede claro

Haitians and the ruling: let it be clear

March 19, 2014

Rosario Espinal

In the last six months, the Dominican Republic has been subjected to strong political battering as a result of the TC’s ruling 168/13, which is neither fair nor patriotic. In their favor, the promoters of the judgment have that the fact that most Dominicans don't want Haitian migration, and they use that to confuse public opinion.

continued:
Written by: josean, 19 Mar 2014 4:08 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016

First, the Dominican Government is the main culprit of the large number of undocumented Haitians in the country. For 100 years, the State has allowed the illegal migration of impoverished Haitian workers to provide cheap labor to Dominican businessmen, including the Government itself, and to enrich civil and military officials that traffic in illegal immigrants. While the immigrant population grew, the Dominican Governments never documented it, precisely because they want poor workers without rights.

continued:

Written by: josean, 19 Mar 2014 4:09 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016

Second, over time, those undocumented workers procreated, and their children born and raised in the Dominican Republic were entitled to Dominican nationality because no Dominican Constitution before 2010 had denied it. Of about 200 thousand descendants of Haitians born in the Dominican Republic today, according to the first survey of migration, 22,654 have legitimate documentation and 13,672 have illegitimate papers, according to the Central Electoral Board. The majority have no type of documents. The TC 168/13 ruling has declared all these people as illegals and imposes the application of a Plan of Regularization of Immigrants.

continued:

Written by: josean, 19 Mar 2014 4:10 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016

Third, as a result of the complaints of the injustice of the ruling, the Government of Danilo Medina has promised to submit to Congress a Plan of Naturalization, but that doesn't make sense. Who will they naturalize? The undocumented Haitian immigrants who are Haitians? Their descendants born and raised in the Dominican Republic who are Dominican? Recognizing that these descendants are Dominican doesn't mean amnesty or fusion of the island as they say to frighten supporters of the ruling.

continued:

Written by: josean, 19 Mar 2014 4:12 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016

Fourth, Dominican Republic has the right to establish its laws, but they must be legally sustainable. The ruling 168/13 is not, as has been demonstrated by outstanding jurists. This why countries as dissimilar as Cuba, Venezuela and United States agree in questioning it.

In this context, Danilo Medina has no happy choice. He either makes himself a hostage of the TC 168/13 judgment with its negative implications at national and international level, or searches for a resolution where legality and justice prevail. Delaying dealing with the issue in the hope that the conflict is diluted is a game of chance.

continued:

Written by: josean, 19 Mar 2014 4:13 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016

Here is the crux of the contradiction: 1) most of the Dominican people don't want Haitian migration, 2) many entrepreneurs (including the Government) want cheap Haitian labor, 3) there is a law of regularization of immigrants passed in 2004 which has regularized very few undocumented, 4) the Constitutional Court has outlawed all the descendants of immigrants born in the Dominican Republic since 1929, and 5) there is a draft of law of naturalization to nationalize those Constitutional Court denationalized.

How does a country advance where the State and business sectors want labor cheap without conferring rights in the 21st century?

continued:

Written by: josean, 19 Mar 2014 4:14 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016

The solution to the Dominican immigration mess requires:

1) strict border control,

2) documented immigrants who are need by the Dominican economy,

3) repatriation in an orderly manner of those that cannot be employees and do not show roots in Dominican society, and

4) to recognize rights of nationality of descendants born and raised in the Dominican Republic before 2010.

Implementing these measures is complex and implies courage and will on the part of the Government , but it is worse to continue to increase the undocumented population as Dominican Republic has done for 100 years.

Written by: danny00, 19 Mar 2014 4:20 PM
From: United States, Old Westbury Long Island
Guillermone, said.....The almighty dollar....and Dominicans sell their Souls for the Dollar don't they lady..... And lets not leave out their so-called wife's and Children u Blood Suckers....u sell the Drugs as it was Candy and the Dominican Pimps sell the kids don't they almighty take my post with a grain of Salt buddy.....12,000 Imates in Rikers Island and 5,978 are Dominicans u Grain of Salt.
Written by: tambora, 19 Mar 2014 4:27 PM
From: United States, June 6, 2014 - Josean translated the surname "Castillo" to "Castle." Proof that Josean LIES about being Dominican or even Hispanic!


Josean QUOTING; Rosario Espinal said:


The solution to the Dominican immigration mess requires:

1) strict border control, (Yes, absolutely)

2) documented immigrants who are need by the Dominican economy, (I believe there is already a guest worker program in place)

3) repatriation in an orderly manner of those that cannot be employees and do not show roots in Dominican society, and (repatriate everyone except the braceros and those other nationalities who have roots - as in several generations. They may be given an amnesty as they do not legally qualify as citizens)

4) to recognize rights of nationality of descendants born and raised in the Dominican Republic before 2010. (there is no legal right to nationality - no automatic citizenship by birth for the children of illegal immigrants. Therefore, this is validly rejected under Dominican law)
Written by: HaitiTheCaseStudy, 19 Mar 2014 4:31 PM
From: United States
There have been some investments in electric power generation in Haiti for the past 15 years: Sogener set up power generators in six major provincial towns in Haiti (of course through a detrimental concession with the oligarchic de-facto government), Epower spent $50 millions in a new power plant in Port-au-Prince...and there are two more I believe. But the fundamental problem remains the same: an oligarchic dead-end form of government, and an anti-progressive economic elite. Nonetheless, the Haitian centrists welcome any investments. A young population is both a curse and a blessing for Haiti. The absence of a clairvoyant chief leader (and leaders) with a clear vision make the anticipated catastrophe difficult to avoid. On a final note, we believe that Haiti's economic elite is wary just like it has always been of any foreign investments in Haiti since they see it as an opportunity for a growing middle class of dark-skinned Haitians. Haiti's elite is mostly light-skinned individuals.
Written by: josean, 19 Mar 2014 4:35 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016


Correction josean did not say; Rosario Espinal did.


"Therefore, this is validly rejected under Dominican law"


Wrong!!!!!!

Only after the NAZI constitution of 2010!


Quoting from Rosario Espinal's article:

"Second, over time, those undocumented workers procreated, and their children born and raised in the Dominican Republic were entitled to Dominican nationality because no Dominican Constitution before 2010 had denied it."



Written by: Trinitario809, 19 Mar 2014 4:35 PM
From: Dominican Republic, is not the solution to Haiti's problems !
Joseanus has been pushing hard for legalizing illigals up to 2010.

If he pushes any harder his hemorrhoids will blow up.
Written by: tambora, 19 Mar 2014 4:41 PM
From: United States, June 6, 2014 - Josean translated the surname "Castillo" to "Castle." Proof that Josean LIES about being Dominican or even Hispanic!


RIGHT. Because it has been that way for decades. That's why Dominican birth certificates require a valid cedula. Go look at a real Dominican birth certificate for yourself and see.

The pattern and practice has been there to back up conditional jus soli for years. Plain common sense.
Written by: danny00, 19 Mar 2014 4:44 PM
From: United States, Old Westbury Long Island
Iam happy when business men make money they pay taxes and then guys like Rokete and Guillermone can get their food stamps.......Right on!
Written by: tambora, 19 Mar 2014 4:50 PM
From: United States, June 6, 2014 - Josean translated the surname "Castillo" to "Castle." Proof that Josean LIES about being Dominican or even Hispanic!



That's a nice try with that argument about the 2010 Dominican Constitution. However, I have in front of me a real Dominican birth certificate. And it was issued WAAAAYYY before 2010. And it has the word cedula pre-printed on the form. Pre-printed as in not typed in. As in not optional to use another form of ID like a driver's license.

That is NOT consistent with the claim that there was unconditional jus soli prior to 2010. That and the fact that there has always been a book to register foreign births.

When analyzing constitutional law (or any law for that matter), one must also look at the legislative intent. By having a book of foreigners and requiring a cedula (which is only obtained by those with a legal status in the Dominican Republic) it is clear that the legislative intent has been to have CONDITIONAL jus soli.

Therefore, your argument does NOT pass muster!!!! I rest my case.
Written by: josean, 19 Mar 2014 4:52 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016

Breaking NEWS!!!!!!!

Saint Danilo in emergency huddle trying to get out this mess before Monday Match 24 when Inter-American Court on Human Rights meets in Washington for what surely will not be a good outcome for DR, if this NAZI ruling is not modified Pronto!

Google

Danilo y funcionarios tratan salida fallo TC

Danilo and officials try to find a way out of TC ruling


Written by: josean, 19 Mar 2014 4:54 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016


tambora,


Could you explain the process of getting a cedula, (national ID card) !


Thanks!

Written by: tambora, 19 Mar 2014 4:59 PM
From: United States, June 6, 2014 - Josean translated the surname "Castillo" to "Castle." Proof that Josean LIES about being Dominican or even Hispanic!

@josean

Go look it up!

And while you are at it go look up the process to properly analyze constitutional law.
Written by: rokete, 19 Mar 2014 7:19 PM
From: Dominican Republic, (((( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !! ))))

Josehaitiano .......

Rosario Espinal is a columnist for Acento, a pro Haitian news paid by USAID,

and she is a paid Haitian advocate !!

She won't get paid by the NGO's she work for,

if she does not publicise more pro-Haitian garbage !!


Rosario Espinal has no credibility,

neither do you !!!
Written by: rokete, 19 Mar 2014 7:26 PM
From: Dominican Republic, (((( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !! ))))
Juan Vicini

Should move to Haiti, build a generator plant,

and lease some land there,

for a sugar plantation !!


That will cotribute to Haitian economy !!!

Good luck with the risk factor, in your investment, GENIUS !!

STUPID SOB !!


WHAT WE NEED IS TO DEPORT THE HAITIANS AND THEIR OFFSPRING !!

BUILD AN ELECTRIC FENCE AT THE BORDER !!
Written by: josean, 19 Mar 2014 8:30 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016

" tambora, 19 Mar 2014 4:59 PM

 United States, The lies against DR must STOP!!! Legal status has always been required. Look at any DR birth certificate and see the word CEDULA!!


@josean

Go look it up!

And while you are at it go look up the process to properly analyze constitutional law."


I knew you would cop-out since you don't Shit form Shinola!

Written by: PatDiamond, 19 Mar 2014 8:32 PM
From: Botswana, La reconnaissance est une lachete'
These people did not amasses their wealth and power by not being able to forecast the future and hedge their bets properly unlike most of you in this forum with the same redondant post
Over and over. This is only the natural progression on Hispaniola too complicated for most of you to understand. Rokete Trini Atabey and the rest of the gang soldier on.
Written by: josean, 19 Mar 2014 8:37 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016

"Rokete Trini Atabey"

AKA the Three Stooges!


Written by: Atabey, 19 Mar 2014 8:40 PM
From: United States, Bring DT Forum Back--


Written by: HaitiTheCaseStudy,

"A young population is both a curse and a blessing for Haiti. The absence of a clairvoyant chief leader (and leaders) with a clear vision make the anticipated catastrophe difficult to avoid.

On a final note, we believe that Haiti's economic elite is wary just like it has always been of any foreign investments in Haiti since they see it as an opportunity for a growing middle class of dark-skinned Haitians. Haiti's elite is mostly light-skinned individuals."



Very true.


Here's something that might interest you and Pat:

princeton.edu/politics/about/file-repository/public/Hard-Times-in-Poor-Places-Don-Leonard-Princeton-IR-Colloq.pdf



We Dominicans want Haiti to FINALLY establish a decent and prosperous nation-state.


Time to leave the past behind and do right by your people no matter the color of their skin.


Josean, you can join them, too. They'll be checking the cédula number on your birth certicate.


:)



Written by: josean, 19 Mar 2014 8:49 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016


More irrelevant nonsense!


Written by: Atabey, 19 Mar 2014 8:52 PM
From: United States, Bring DT Forum Back--


Written by: joseanus, 19 Mar 2014 8:49 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016


More irrelevant nonsense!


From Joseanus,

But of course. You might finally be on good meds.


:)




Written by: tambora, 19 Mar 2014 9:17 PM
From: United States, June 6, 2014 - Josean translated the surname "Castillo" to "Castle." Proof that Josean LIES about being Dominican or even Hispanic!


Written by josean:

"I knew you would cop-out since you don't Shit form Shinola!"


@ josean

I know more than you realize! And the answer is it depends.

There are different types of cedulas.

I presume you mean -- Cedula de Identidad y Electoral

Depends on the age of the person too. The procedure has changed over time.

But the first and most important thing one needs is to actually be a DOMINICAN CITIZEN in the first place -- for the electoral cedula that is. Then drop off one's paperwork and pick it up in about 2 months.
Written by: tambora, 19 Mar 2014 9:19 PM
From: United States, June 6, 2014 - Josean translated the surname "Castillo" to "Castle." Proof that Josean LIES about being Dominican or even Hispanic!


@josean

I know more than you realize. And I certainly know how to analyze constitutional law better than you do!!
Written by: josean, 19 Mar 2014 9:44 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016


How many types of Cedulas are there Clarence Darrow?


Written by: tambora, 19 Mar 2014 10:01 PM
From: United States, June 6, 2014 - Josean translated the surname "Castillo" to "Castle." Proof that Josean LIES about being Dominican or even Hispanic!


@josean

If you are a real Dominican then you would know the answer to your own question. . . .
Written by: josean, 19 Mar 2014 10:03 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016



Another Cop-out because you are typical xenophobic idiot that doesn't know Shit from Shinola!




Written by: rokete, 19 Mar 2014 10:05 PM
From: Dominican Republic, (((( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !! ))))

He is a Haitian NGO that is why he needs to ask someone more informed !!

JAJAJA



Written by: tambora, 19 Mar 2014 10:08 PM
From: United States, June 6, 2014 - Josean translated the surname "Castillo" to "Castle." Proof that Josean LIES about being Dominican or even Hispanic!


@josean

The answer again is it depends. The youth get a provisional one until they are adults. So one could say the provisional one counts as one type of cedula.


Another crap answer from you because whenever you cannot handle the true knowledge that is kicked at you, you resort to calling people names.

I will not continue to play your little quiz games.

Baboso!
Written by: tambora, 19 Mar 2014 10:12 PM
From: United States, June 6, 2014 - Josean translated the surname "Castillo" to "Castle." Proof that Josean LIES about being Dominican or even Hispanic!


@Rokete

Ete babaso ta pasao. Cree que me va a enganar a mi.
Written by: tambora, 19 Mar 2014 10:15 PM
From: United States, June 6, 2014 - Josean translated the surname "Castillo" to "Castle." Proof that Josean LIES about being Dominican or even Hispanic!

Google Translate no lo va ayudar. Eso lo puse ahi a pota.
Written by: tambora, 19 Mar 2014 10:17 PM
From: United States, June 6, 2014 - Josean translated the surname "Castillo" to "Castle." Proof that Josean LIES about being Dominican or even Hispanic!


A ver Josean. Que significa a pota? Un quiz para ti.
Written by: rokete, 19 Mar 2014 10:19 PM
From: Dominican Republic, (((( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !! ))))
Written by: PatDiamond, 19 Mar 2014 8:32 PM
From: Botswana, La reconnaissance est une lachete'
These people did not amasses their wealth and power by not being able to forecast the future and hedge their bets properly unlike most of you in this forum with the same redondant post
Over and over. This is only the natural progression on Hispaniola too complicated for most of you to understand. Rokete Trini Atabey and the rest of the gang soldier on.
____________

1) Available amassed Wealth

2) Espected return

3) Risk and stability

4) Liquidity of assets

These are the basic parameters for investment,

scrutinized by investors !!

Haiti has low espected return due to constant bribing of government officials,

never ending extremely high risk due to political and economic instability,

0 liquidity provability !!

Sure you go first with your money,

I will continue to invest where I have better garantee, for my investment,

DR and US !!


Good luck !
Written by: tambora, 19 Mar 2014 10:24 PM
From: United States, June 6, 2014 - Josean translated the surname "Castillo" to "Castle." Proof that Josean LIES about being Dominican or even Hispanic!


@Rokete

Vite, vite se quedo callao.
Written by: rokete, 19 Mar 2014 10:28 PM
From: Dominican Republic, (((( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !! ))))

Tambora .....

Josehaitiano has a very low intelectual coefficient !!

He is an indeterminate polynomial ( valor de X) !!

Eso es como el que le cae atras, a una guinea en una finca !!

LOL

Written by: tambora, 19 Mar 2014 10:28 PM
From: United States, June 6, 2014 - Josean translated the surname "Castillo" to "Castle." Proof that Josean LIES about being Dominican or even Hispanic!


@josean

You are evading my vocabulary quiz. Answer my question.
Written by: josean, 19 Mar 2014 10:28 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016


You still are evading the question and don't hide under ROT-knee's Skirt!




Written by: tambora, 19 Mar 2014 10:30 PM
From: United States, June 6, 2014 - Josean translated the surname "Castillo" to "Castle." Proof that Josean LIES about being Dominican or even Hispanic!


Time is ticking away. An answer tomorrow is unacceptable!
Written by: tambora, 19 Mar 2014 10:30 PM
From: United States, June 6, 2014 - Josean translated the surname "Castillo" to "Castle." Proof that Josean LIES about being Dominican or even Hispanic!


Answer the vocabulary questions Josean.
Written by: tambora, 19 Mar 2014 10:34 PM
From: United States, June 6, 2014 - Josean translated the surname "Castillo" to "Castle." Proof that Josean LIES about being Dominican or even Hispanic!


@josean

Que significa guinea?
Written by: tambora, 19 Mar 2014 10:37 PM
From: United States, June 6, 2014 - Josean translated the surname "Castillo" to "Castle." Proof that Josean LIES about being Dominican or even Hispanic!


@josean

C'mon time is ticking away. It's a timed quiz.
Written by: rokete, 19 Mar 2014 10:40 PM
From: Dominican Republic, (((( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !! ))))

Tambora ....

Guinea is a Guineafowl !

It is a tipe of fowl, the size of a hen !

They run very fast and even fly in open terrain, so they are difficult to catch !!

It is a delicacy in DR, in family and friends gatherings, for SANCOCHO !!

So, Josehaitiano is running from your inquiries like the plague !!

LOL
Written by: tambora, 19 Mar 2014 10:44 PM
From: United States, June 6, 2014 - Josean translated the surname "Castillo" to "Castle." Proof that Josean LIES about being Dominican or even Hispanic!


@Rokete

LOL. Si, cuando era chiquita me encataba a ver las guineas. Son mas bonitas que las gallinas.
Written by: josean, 19 Mar 2014 10:45 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016


No matter how much you evade you can't simply describe the process to obtain a cedula!

Written by: rokete, 19 Mar 2014 10:46 PM
From: Dominican Republic, (((( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !! ))))
Also, i have decided to call him the "indeterminate polinomial" (X) !

Because, he says he is Dominican, yet hates everything we represent !!

Therefore he is a Haitian lier !!!
Written by: tambora, 19 Mar 2014 10:46 PM
From: United States, June 6, 2014 - Josean translated the surname "Castillo" to "Castle." Proof that Josean LIES about being Dominican or even Hispanic!


Oh but I did describe it, read above.

You are deflecting. Time is up and you failed my vocabulary quiz.
Written by: tambora, 19 Mar 2014 10:50 PM
From: United States, June 6, 2014 - Josean translated the surname "Castillo" to "Castle." Proof that Josean LIES about being Dominican or even Hispanic!


@josean

Not only did I describe the process, but I was first to point out to you that there are different types of cedulas.

Now, did you finally learn how to properly analyze constitutional law yet? :)
Written by: josean, 19 Mar 2014 10:52 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016


......for a constitutional scholar like you it should be very simple to describe the process to obtain a cedula to a peasant like me!


I am not as smart as you so please describe it in a step-by-step manner so even I could understand it.


Written by: rokete, 19 Mar 2014 10:55 PM
From: Dominican Republic, (((( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !! ))))

Josehaitiano ...

Didn't your Constitutional law Guru,

Rosario Espinal explain it to you the CENTRO BONO's way ??


JAJAJAJA
Written by: josean, 19 Mar 2014 10:58 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016


Get Ready for Saint Danilo's pronouncement you're not going to be happy!


Written by: rokete, 19 Mar 2014 11:10 PM
From: Dominican Republic, (((( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !! ))))


It better be good !!

He could loose his precious hair in the process !!

We are really scared, we only have 3 days more days,

before the Human Rights biased pronouncement,

against the Dominican Republic !!

We already know the biased judgement, in favor of the Hispaniola Fusion agenda !!


They only have one minor problem:


The TC rule is supported by 90% of the Dominican people !!

IRREVOCABLE AND DEFINITIVE !!

JAJAJAJA
Written by: Lautaro, 20 Mar 2014 7:14 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Bring DT Forum Back
What we should be paying attention is to things like this:

diariolibre.com/noticias/2014/03/20/i533851_420-familias-haitianas-viven-manera-ilegal-territorio-dominicano-frontera.html

Mark my words, if the state continues to allow this illegal occupation of those border zones unimpeded, we will end up losing those territories, and perhaps the entire provinces to which they belong, in the coming decade, just like we lost the Central Plateau (Valle de Guaba) in the 1930's. We should have a similar law to the one the Russians have forbidding foreign settlement from neighboring land countries in the border zones. And the locals that rent homes to those people should be subjected to the harshest of penalties.
Written by: zooma, 20 Mar 2014 7:33 AM
From: United States, and Dominican Republic

It is such a twist of history one of the Vicini's comes out to say there should be investment in Haiti. It is his family that encouraged and spurred the use of cheap Haitian labor to work the family Dominican cane fields allowing him the privileges of wealth and to be assigned the label of mogul.

Written by: Vivacuba, 20 Mar 2014 7:33 AM
From: Dominican Republic
USA will invest in HAiti. USA USA USA USAID USAID USAD USAID USAID
Written by: Lautaro, 20 Mar 2014 7:36 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Bring DT Forum Back
Agreed with you there, zooma. Also, their (and the Bancalari's) predation upon the Dominican state as creditors during the Heureaux dictatorship (1882-1899) are among the factors that made the first American occupation of the country a reality.
Written by: USADR, 20 Mar 2014 11:25 AM
From: United States
Written by: Lautaro, " We should have a similar law to the one the Russians have forbidding foreign settlement from neighboring land countries in the border zones. And the locals that rent homes to those people should be subjected to the harshest of penalties."
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@ Lautaro,

Putin on Western governments:

“They have come to believe in their exceptionalism and their sense of being the chosen ones. That they can decide the destinies of the world, that it is only them who can be right.”

Global liberal manifest destiny. Someone has to stop it
^
This is the prevailing "vision" if you will among the assorted collection of left leaning segments of the democratic party in the US. It also dominants US academia and mainstream media. But it failed miserably when dealing with the real world, Crimea being an example.
Written by: guillermone, 20 Mar 2014 2:57 PM
From: United States, Bring Back DT Forum

Thousand of Haitian families populate Dominican border areas

2,420 Haitian families or 12,642 people are settled about 98% illegally on the 15-kilometer strip on the DR side of the 5 border provinces with Haiti. The families have been there for between 2-10 yrs- 89% cook with firewood or charcoal and 52% burn their garbage causing serious damage to the environment.

Diario Libre reported a "Survey of Buildings and Inhabitants of Haitian Nationality" released by the DR Ministry of Defense and carried out by Cesfront in the 2nd half of 2013 collected data on the living conditions of these families on land that includes the border area in DR territory. The immigration is attributed to the search for a better quality of life. Barely 32% know how to read or write, only 67% speak Spanish. Most of them live in shacks with tin roofs, more than half are rented from Dominicans. Only 8% have indoor plumbing and 78% use latrines.
Written by: jasfalon, 20 Mar 2014 3:22 PM
From: United States

FUKC the evil capitalist Vicini.
Written by: jasfalon, 21 Mar 2014 6:34 AM
From: United States

"Shacks?"
These are HOMES.
Stop insulting people. US media calls people's homes shacks, also, if they don't meet US standards.
People are lucky to have HOMES.
Quit being an elitist.
Written by: guillermone, 21 Mar 2014 1:08 PM
From: United States, Bring Back DT Forum

"Shacks?"
These are HOMES.
Stop insulting people. US media calls people's homes shacks, also, if they don't meet US standards"
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Dude lets call it what it is. There is no need to minced words. It is what it is and why suger coat reality. A home and a house are two different things, not the same, but this is not what we want to distiguish. They are dilapidated wooden shacks with an out house in the back, something that is not at all uncommon for 3rd world, underdeveloped countries. So whats the big deal? No offense bu as long as it is clean and orderly, enough ventilation and the roof does no leak, with peace and quiet, and a comforable temperature, I could sleep and live like a king, maybe even happy like a pig in mud
Written by: Trinitario809, 21 Mar 2014 1:25 PM
From: Dominican Republic, is not the solution to Haiti's problems !
Guille, this guy called me a Haitian hater, because I stated my opinion as a concerned Dominican about Haitian poachers in Dominican waters.

By this guy's logic, since Dominicans also do poaching, so should Haitians as well.....IN OUR WATERS!

Now, if you don't agree with that, then you Hate the Haitians.
Written by: jasfalon, 21 Mar 2014 3:47 PM
From: United States
"3rd world" - another insult to people in these countries.
Written by: Vivacuba, 21 Mar 2014 7:54 PM
From: Dominican Republic
If Haiti is third world, USA must be 5th world :)
Written by: rokete, 22 Mar 2014 1:31 AM
From: Dominican Republic, (((( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !! ))))

ignorante ...

and this goes for you too josehaitiano and dreadlocks !!!


prove me wrong !!

if you cannot prove me wrong !!

then hold your peace !!

not only 90%, but (( more )) than 90% of dominican aprove the tc rule !!!

prove me wrong, this is your chance of a lifetime !!!

if you cannot prove me wrong, you are all bull shit artist !!

lots of talk and no proof !!

btw: none of those you mentioned are important, 90%+ dominicans is !!


irrevocable and definitive since 1929, to infinity and beyond !!
Written by: josean, 22 Mar 2014 5:27 AM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016


Nobody has to prove you wrong you do an excellent job of it yourself!

Written by: TuPapaupa2014, 22 Mar 2014 7:52 PM
From: United States, (((((roketa + blue105 + borderwall = SAME POSTER..BUSTED!!!. JAJAJAJAJA!)))))
Written by: josean, 22 Mar 2014 5:27 AM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016


Nobody has to prove you wrong you do an excellent job of it yourself
==============================================================

josean, did you steal my "Verdugo" pills?.

Tu' como que estas actuando muy guapon ultimamente. JAJAJAJAJAJAJA.
Written by: rokete, 22 Mar 2014 11:50 PM
From: Dominican Republic, (((( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !! ))))

As always

Since you cannot prove me wrong, you are all bull shit artist !!

lots of talk and no proof !!
Written by: josean, 23 Mar 2014 2:38 AM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016


.........prima facie evidence as to why pregnant mothers should not take drugs........



Written by: TuPapaupa2014, 23 Mar 2014 10:21 AM
From: United States, (((((roketa + blue105 + borderwall = SAME POSTER..BUSTED!!!. JAJAJAJAJA!)))))
Written by: josean, 23 Mar 2014 2:38 AM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016


.........prima facie evidence as to why pregnant mothers should not take drugs........
=================================================================

Now, that was uncalled for.............funny but uncalled for.....I think. JAJAJAJAJAJAJA.
Written by: rokete, 23 Mar 2014 9:44 PM
From: Dominican Republic, (((( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !! ))))

Written by: josean, 23 Mar 2014 2:38 AM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016


.........prima facie evidence as to why pregnant mothers should not take drugs.....
____________


Josehaitiano ........

I finally agree with you on something.

Porca la madonna è una bestemmia tossicodipendent !

You are bad kid, you shouldn't be saying that about your progenitor !


Your dyslexic condition is the result of your mommy's drug abuse !


Are you that dyslexic dude with Tourette syndrome? That goes around the forum shouting,

"This! This! This!

Must be a Haitian dyslexic finding it dificult to lie !!

LOL
Written by: josean, 23 Mar 2014 9:46 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016


PS

........no matter what your mother told you the guy on the five dollar bill is not your father!



Written by: rokete, 23 Mar 2014 9:56 PM
From: Dominican Republic, (((( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !! ))))

My father had a good time, am I know him !

You don't have a father to call you own !


Haitian women live in a shack in DR, with 15 men as sexual partners !

Who is your father josehaitiano #15 ??



Written by: josean, 23 Mar 2014 10:40 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016


000000000


Written by: TuPapaupa2014, 24 Mar 2014 9:14 AM
From: United States, (((((roketa + blue105 + borderwall = SAME POSTER..BUSTED!!!. JAJAJAJAJA!)))))
Written by: josean, 23 Mar 2014 9:46 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016


PS

........no matter what your mother told you the guy on the five dollar bill is not your father!
=====================================================
AVE MARIA PURIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIISIMA, THAT WAS FUNNY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. JAJAJAJAJAJAJAJA.

Now, stop hijacking all threads.
Written by: rokete, 24 Mar 2014 5:45 PM
From: Dominican Republic, (((( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !! ))))


We will put it in writing !!!


JAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJAJA
Written by: josean, 24 Mar 2014 5:51 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016


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Written by: DimeDRwarrior, 2 Apr 2014 6:17 PM
From: United States, Boston
Lets Not help haiti at all and worry about our own people
Written by: guillermone, 2 Apr 2014 11:20 PM
From: United States, Bring Back DT Forum
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Written by: DimeDRwarrior, 2 Apr 2014
From: US

Lets Not help haiti at all and worry about our own people
____

Just got back from the DR, every time I visit, there is an ever increasing visibility of Haitian nationals wondering our streets everywhere. I just don't see how we are going to get rid of them. We yell, scream and complain, yet we continue to employ them, provide medical services, allow access to education, offer donations, facilitate their documentation and even pocket change to Haitian street beggars. We now talk about investment in Haiti to avert a catastrophe, then how on earth do we expect keep them out if we always come to their rescue.

I hate to sound negative or pessimistic but I truly see this as a lost cause. Haitians are like stray cats, once you give them food, they will keep coming back for more and will never leave. Keeping them away can be a real battle. Perhaps one of the best ways, however is to make sure there is nothing for them to eat
Written by: TuPapaupa2014, 3 Apr 2014 8:31 AM
From: United States, (((((roketa + blue105 + borderwall = SAME POSTER..BUSTED!!!. JAJAJAJAJA!)))))
It goes to show that what I and many others say is true, the "Haitian issue" in the DR is not going anywhere.

ALOT of Dominicans do not think like many that post here.........they still employ them, give them food, give beggars money, some even "house" them.........reason why they are going NOWHERE.

Solution to the problem: Track those that helps them, send them to jail, fine them an insane amount of money...............make an example of about 1,000, the richer, the better, and see how little by little the problem will be solved.

Another thing, talk is cheap.........the Government should stop talking crap about deporting them........JUST DO IT!.
Written by: generoso, 3 Apr 2014 9:28 AM
From: Dominican Republic, ****Raise your words, not your voice. Rain grows food, not thunder.****
Today is the anniversary of one of the most horrible events, in the history of the island, if not the whole world. The genocidal actions of the Haitian invaders in Deguello, Moca:

diariolibre.com/opinion/2014/04/03/i552671_degello-moca.html
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