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Santo Domingo.- Interior and Police minister José Ramón Fadul on Monday called on Haiti’s Government to help its nationals obtain the documents needed to request regularization in Dominican Republic, where many of them don't even have any identification document.

"We want the Haitian Government to help us provide documents to those who don’t have them. Help us because the idea is to regularize them, that everyone can exercise their right, that no one is ignored to anyone, that there’s no obstacle to nobody," Fadul said. 

He said he’s confident the regularization will positively effect immigrants, who will be bestowed with all their rights. 

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The official again warned however that the foreigners who don’t register for the process within the established one-year period will be repatriated without recourse. "The interest isn’t to repatriate, we want for people to feel secure and participate, there’s no repatriations now, that’s halted. "I hope that everyone will abide by the plan, but those who don’t register and don’t participate in thisprocess has to return to their country."

Fadul added that 16,000 foreigners of various nationalities have registered for regularization thus far.

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74 comment(s)
Written by: JHCL2016, 10 Jun 2014 7:52 AM
From: Dominican Republic, EN PUNTA CANA: Jose H Con Leonel 2016!


This will fix it.

Diputado Vinicio Castillo deposita proyecto para construir muro en frontera con Haiti
elcaribe.com.do/2014/06/09/diputado-vinicio-castillo-deposita-proyecto-para-construir-muro-frontera-con-haiti

Along with the Metro, another high priority much needed...

*;*
Written by: Grosero, 10 Jun 2014 7:57 AM
From: United States
Even though The Dominican Republic asks Haiti to issue documents to its citizens, The Authorities in Port-au-Prince sheepishly had to inform the Authorities in DR that they would if they hadn't just given/sold the last load of paper to their outlets in Miami - they would issue documents to its citizen but if the DR could be so kind - Haiti could use some more paper - especially with some dead Presidents printed on it

jajajajajajajajajajajaja
Written by: XxMolotovCocktailxX, 10 Jun 2014 10:01 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Sabana iglesia,Santiago
Once Again Dominicans taking responsibility for their Haitian step-children,because their dead-beat irresponsible parents wan't nothing to do with them.Unless it involves exploiting and using them to receive welfare checks from the international community,which the children never see a dime of... Y la verda es que nama hombre pariguayo crian hijo de otro hombre y el gobierno Dominicano demonstro el tipo de 'hombres' que son con esta ley...
Written by: josean, 10 Jun 2014 10:13 AM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016




Manito, "Build a Magical Wall" will be a great headline to promote tourism!


Written by: Trinitario809, 10 Jun 2014 10:15 AM
From: Dominican Republic, is not the solution to Haiti's problems !
The Haitian government along with the illegal Haitian supporters and lobbyists on this site are nothing more than slave traders. Plain and simple.
Written by: venganzaderafael, 10 Jun 2014 10:34 AM
From: United States
I wish to clarify that the "idea" is not to regularize 1 million plus haitians laborers, the idea is to get rid of the majority of these extrenous illegal border jumpers so the average Dominican native workers can have a job with decent pay.
Why legalize (amnesty) this massive amount of workers if we are trying to enforce the 85% native labor. Er excuse me that native requirement is now 80%. On paper of course. In reality its the inverse with 85%-100% haitian labor, (not even 1other nationality) in most constructions and 65%-90% haitian labor in agriculture.

What was the use of the ruling if we are facilitating the permanence of this massive labor invasion from haiti. Regulate and give legal residency to these illegals and within a generation we will have a 20%-40% LEGAL haitian presence in our by then semi-independent state. Haitians will be running towns, provinces, enacting laws favorable to further haitian migration and fusion in 20 years.

Mark my words.
Written by: josean, 10 Jun 2014 10:39 AM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016


"not to regularize 1 million plus haitians laborers"


Your Right because Saint Danilo stated to the world in Havana that it was nearly a million not 1 million plus!





Written by: XxMolotovCocktailxX, 10 Jun 2014 10:48 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Sabana iglesia,Santiago
@venganza , facilitating a potential civil war...
Written by: chilliwestaziz, 10 Jun 2014 11:02 AM
From: Jamaica
It seems to me, that many Haitians have adopted a 'so what' attitude. Haiti has been stripped of its fortunes of the past and this was not Haiti's fault. Haiti was left destitute by the left hand of the French and the right hand of the USA. When you constantly beat someone down, they stop caring about themselves and one another. When you take the worth out of something, even the crab will abandon a bad shell.

Haitians need to fight on all fronts. Not physical fights, but legal fights. Haiti needs to stop taking instruction from the UN and start developing themselves from within.

Say goodbye to the old way of doing business.....the elites control everything. Just because a family brings in two brands of powdered milk does not mean that you should prevent the next guy from bringing in any other brand of powdered milk.

Legal Fights......Reinstate the Aristide lawsuit against the French government for the indemnity. Sue the US government for its cheap rice program.
Written by: chilliwestaziz, 10 Jun 2014 11:03 AM
From: Jamaica
Sue the UN for gifting you with cholera. Get in the courts and start fighting.
Written by: venganzaderafael, 10 Jun 2014 11:07 AM
From: United States
Danilo estimated 1 million based on an inexact survey. Obviously haitians were not coming out of the woodwork to be counted. From my observations on my last trip to DR I'd say the figure is closer to 2 million haitians and descendants.

We are screwed.
Written by: venganzaderafael, 10 Jun 2014 11:13 AM
From: United States
Chili, your suggestions need to be backed by the DR govt as well as haiti's. Agree 100% with the damage done to haitian developement by the frenchies as well as US policies, though the latter's I believe was well intentioned.
Written by: Radar, 10 Jun 2014 11:14 AM
From: Dominican Republic

This "warning" will fall on deaf ears and we will end up footing the entire cost. Of course, many foreigners wont be abled to afford the process, resulting in massive deportations, come 2016.

If the Haitian govt. has not bothered to issue, even the most basic of documents- a birth certificate, what are we to expect in this call for help.?
Written by: Trinitario809, 10 Jun 2014 11:28 AM
From: Dominican Republic, is not the solution to Haiti's problems !

" If the Haitian govt. has not bothered to issue, even the most basic of documents- a birth certificate"
-----------------

Radar, don't say that out loud. You might be hurting the feelings of certain people on denial who swear that this isn't true.

The inability of the Haitian state to provide its citizen with basic documentation, has been debated, over and over on this site and of course, you've had the ones that actually believe this to be a myth.

They rather be "up on the moon passing gas" than face and admit reality.
Written by: rokete, 10 Jun 2014 11:58 AM
From: Dominican Republic, (((( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !! ))))
Written by: chilliwestaziz, 10 Jun 2014 11:02 AM
From: Jamaica
Haiti needs to stop taking instruction from the UN and start developing themselves from within.
____________


Chilli ...

You finally said something with substance.

I have been saying the solution to Haiti's problems are within.

As long as Haitians continue to look outside of Haiti for the solution,

you will always have the same results.

The rich elite and the politicians get richer

the Haitian people get poorer,

and rejected by all its sorrounding neighbors.

HAITI'S SOLUTION IS IN HAITI,

But the Haitian elite and politicians want Haitians to migrate,

so that they can continue with their Status Quo.
Written by: rokete, 10 Jun 2014 12:03 PM
From: Dominican Republic, (((( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !! ))))

As far as the subject at hand,

Haiti is not going to provide any documents to its people.

Undocumented Haitians is a measure of suppresion, the Haitian elite and politician use,

to keep the Haitian people under control,

submissive and stupid so that they can continue to living in luxury.

With the missery of the majority.

STOP BLAMING FRANCE AND THE USA.

DOMINICANS HAVE BEEN ABANDONED TO OUR OWN DEVICES BY SPAIN,

HUNDREDS OF YEARS AGO,

EVEN BEFORE HAITIANS WERE BROUGH TO THE ISLAND,

AND DOMINICANS MANAGE TO SURVIVE AND PROSPER AGAINST THE ODDS.


THE HAITIAN PROBLEM AND SOLUTION IS BETWEEN THE EARS !!!

Written by: JHCL2016, 10 Jun 2014 12:59 PM
From: Dominican Republic, EN PUNTA CANA: Jose H Con Leonel 2016!

>> "Build a Magical Wall" will be a great headline to promote tourism!

China, USA, and Israel do very well in tourism with their MAGIC wall. And we'll better off with the WALL and reduced misery via less illegal haitians than a few less tourists, which, by the way, will come back once the dust clears!!!

If you BUILD IT, turistas will STILL COME...

8-)

Danilo en la cima * Leonel 2016!
Written by: JHCL2016, 10 Jun 2014 1:01 PM
From: Dominican Republic, EN PUNTA CANA: Jose H Con Leonel 2016!


>> "Build a Magical Wall" will be a great headline to promote tourism!

We can also install M-16, M-50 on top of the MURO, and sell tour packages to NRA members to come for LIVE MOVING TARGET practice...

Of course I'm "kidding"... wink, wink....

( ';' )
Written by: rokete, 10 Jun 2014 1:17 PM
From: Dominican Republic, (((( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !! ))))

China is the third most visited country in the world. The number of overseas tourists was 55.98 million in 2010. Foreign exchange income was 45.8 billion U.S. dollars, the world's fourth largest in 2010.


THE GREAT WALL OF CHINA IS THE NUMBER (1 ) TOURIST ATTRACTION !!

goway.com/travel-information/asia/china/chinas-main-tourist-attractions/


DEPORT THE HAITIANS,

AND LETS BUILD A TOURIST FRIENDLY BORDER WALL !!
Written by: generoso, 10 Jun 2014 1:41 PM
From: Dominican Republic, ****Raise your words, not your voice. Rain grows food, not thunder.****
I first published a forum blog, about the Haiti-DR wall in 2008, and received thousands of replies and commentaries, from Dominicans, Haitians, Europeans, Israelis, and other nationalities.
Many great ideas where presented on costs, and pro's and con's. Many Haitians contributed to the blog, and all opposed the idea, for obvious reasons.
The border must be reinforced, and the DR will have to patrol the border, one sided, because the Haitian ethos promotes illegal immigration. This could be very costly and the contrarians know it.
Yet, the DR can not afford to let the status quo continue, and if it does, this will mean the end of the DR, as the fusion plans will materialize in a generation.
So the DR is between the wall or the sword.
The border wall will not be a solution to illegal Haitian immigration, if not accompanied by the will of the DR government, to stop the employment of illegals.
CESFRONT military must be elevated to, civilian border patrol status, with better pay.
Written by: Radar, 10 Jun 2014 2:05 PM
From: Dominican Republic

Generoso....Beforehand, you had suggested building a road alongside the border and providing it with check points, watchtowers, and military patrols.
This makes much more sense than a very expensive wall to build and maintain.

Agree wholeheartedly . Except, the government must create an elite, well paid, dedicated military unit. Forget about CESFRONT.

This unit will be tasked with guarding it, under a mandate of absolute security. The logistics can be worked out easily and swiftly.
We must aim for a "no bribing, tolerance" from these guards. Any illegals caught trying to slip past, will be the sole responsibility of said guards and be held accountable, under the threat of dismissal, or court martial, or both.
Believe me friend, with a special, well paid army unit. the incidence of illegal entry will cease to be, for as long as we care to fund this project.!
Written by: generoso, 10 Jun 2014 2:34 PM
From: Dominican Republic, ****Raise your words, not your voice. Rain grows food, not thunder.****
Radar

The border patrol must not be military, that is a given, and I have discussed this with many high ranking military, with plenty of experience, in the day to day border activities.
CESFRONT should be elevated and it's members upgraded, to a civilian border patrol force, there are many reasons for this, basically that border protection and control is a police function.
Again the border patrol, has to be properly audited and supervised, by close circuit TV cameras, unarmed drones, and other complimentary patrols, that police each other. During "El Jefe" there where border posts, within visual distance of each other.
Most here think that by "paying well" the bribing problem will be solved, and that's a fallacy. The corrupt will continue taking bribes, if they are not adequately supervised, and if caught "in fragranti" severely punished and dismissed with dishonor.
Again those that think that the wall will be a cure all, are mistaken, if no other steps are taken.
Written by: Arcangel96, 10 Jun 2014 2:35 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Radar,

With all due respect, I don't think building a road alongside the border would be better than a border wall, since the basic goal of the illegal immigrants is to travel to cities other than the border towns. Basically, to travel to wealthier parts of the DR in search for work, which would be anything to the east of the border.

A proper road connecting the border towns would help mitigate their isolation and increase commerce (or contraband) along the border, but would do very little for controlling/preventing the illegal migration of Haitian citizens into DR.





Written by: rokete, 10 Jun 2014 2:38 PM
From: Dominican Republic, (((( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !! ))))
History is the best of all teachers !!


Haiti's policy of Ppacific invasion and encroachments started in 1870. RESULTS ????
in 1929 the Dominican Republic lost 5, 000 Sq Kilometers of land to Haiti's continued encroachments.


China rude awaikening of the Mogols Invasions.
As early as the Warring States Periods ( 221 BC), the ruling powers of China began to build walls as a defense against the northern nomadic tribes and other potential enemies.
Results ????

China still exists as one of the most powerful nations on earth.

THANKS TO THE GREAT WALL OF CHINA,
THAT PUT A STOP, TO THE MONGOLS INVASIONS !!!


Any other measure that is not the wall,
is simply putting a band aid, on an artery hemorage with a deep wound !!

IF WE DON'T BUILD A BORDER WALL,

THE DOMINICAN REPUBLIC WILL CEASE TO EXIST, IN 20 YEARS !


DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !
Written by: Radar, 10 Jun 2014 3:18 PM
From: Dominican Republic

"A proper road connecting the border towns would help mitigate their isolation and increase commerce (or contraband) along the border, but would do very little for controlling/preventing the illegal migration of Haitian citizens into DR.""-Arcangel.

Agree on the "increased commerce/contraband". absolutely! That is exactly the main purpose of this road. But we must agree that the way to "travel to wealthier parts of DR in search for work", must be done overland, on roads, right.? This is where we must station check points, to catch illegals en route to points East of the border.

We have an army and police force. Lets use them to do other things than just hang around collecting a salary. this is not as difficult as it seems. it just a matter of organizing and carrying the task through. It's as simple as that.!

Written by: Radar, 10 Jun 2014 3:32 PM
From: Dominican Republic

""Most here think that by "paying well" the bribing problem will be solved, and that's a fallacy. The corrupt will continue taking bribes, if they are not adequately supervised, and if caught "in fragranti" severely punished and dismissed with dishonor.""--Generoso.

You've just provided the solution to this problem. The ones caught profiting from their status, will be severely punished.!! It's as simple as that.!
And what makes you think the treat of losing a fairly good paying job won't dissuade those from taking bribes.? ..saddled with the threat of dismissal and imprisonment.?

This is not difficult. If we can assign a specialized unit, civilian or not, to guard our territory and its points of entry, roads, towns, stopovers, etc. we can do this at no greater cost than what we already pay the military. Lets not make this a bigger problem than what it really is.! ...We can do this.!
Written by: PatDiamond, 10 Jun 2014 3:34 PM
From: Botswana, La reconnaissance est une lachete'
@Chilly

Haiti need to fight in all fronts not physical. But legal fights
---------------------------------
I believed Aristide tried that with his reparation campaign from France in regard to the indemnity paid by Haiti to get the blockade lifted and be recognized as a free and independent nation. That did not worked out too well for him, he was kidnapped and escorted on a plane by the US military. Destination unknown until he was out of Haiti air space
The shit storm brought to us by the UN, like the US military wonton civilian casualties in Iraq they claim legally they are not responsible for along with the poor farmers goats. But we do thank the Brazilian troops for bringing with them their practice from home Kidnappings for ransom in collaboration with the gangs from Cite Soleil. Hell I had to be on the next flight out when the bullet proof land cruiser was note enough for my safety.
Written by: generoso, 10 Jun 2014 3:44 PM
From: Dominican Republic, ****Raise your words, not your voice. Rain grows food, not thunder.****

PatDiamond

Worse was the UN contingent from Nepal, that brought the damn Cholera virus, and shitted in the river in Haiti, starting a pandemic that will cost untold millions of dollars.
This case of severe "occupation malpractice" should be compensated by the UN, in the tune of millions and millions of dollars, both to Haiti, and the DR, that had to bury the dead, treat the sick, and furnish them medicines.
PS: All viruses carry a fingerprint, that can detect their place of origin. In the Haitian case it was amply proven that the particular strain, was brought over from Nepal. Anyway cholera had been eradicated in the whole island, for decades.
Written by: josean, 10 Jun 2014 4:44 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016



Google

Naciones Unidas desmiente que el 12% de la población dominicana sea haitiana

June 10, 2014, 4:14 PM

UN denies that 12% of the Dominican population is Haitian

Clarifies that the population of Haitians in the country is around 5% of the Dominican population

SANTO DOMINGO. The Fund for Population Activities (UNFPA), announced Tuesday that it is not true that the National Immigrant Survey (ENI) in 2012, revealed that 12% of the Dominican population is of Haitian descent and has been reported.


The representative of the entity, Sonia Vasquez said that the population of Haitian immigrants in the Dominican Republic, is around 5% of total Dominican population, which according to a statement, responding to 458.233 immigrants from Haiti.

Falls into the category In God We Trust all others bring Data!

Written by: Arcangel96, 10 Jun 2014 6:55 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Radar,

Anything that can improve the quality of life for the border provinces and shift some of the population internal migration to Santo Domingo would be a blessing. Station check points? I agree as well. However, this cannot be the whole strategy when in come to addressing the issues of border security/control and the illegal Haitian migration.

At the very minimum, you need a wall, and then you can build your security out from there. Again, check points at roads along the border, or going east from them, are sensible. However, they would only work as long as the illegal immigrant keep to them.



Written by: Arcangel96, 10 Jun 2014 6:59 PM
From: Dominican Republic
josean,

A survey is not a census. :)


Written by: rokete, 10 Jun 2014 7:06 PM
From: Dominican Republic, (((( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !! ))))

I rather believe my eyes,

than any report from the biased UN,

seeking a Fusion Agenda !

More than 200k of Haitians in our country, at any given time,

is unacceptable !


DEPORT THE HAITIANS BUILD THE BORDER WALL !
Written by: josean, 10 Jun 2014 7:14 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016


Written by: Arcangel96, 10 Jun 2014 6:59 PM

From: Dominican Republic

josean, 

A survey is not a census. :)


........you and your sensationalist cohorts have done neither.........just farting numbers out of your rectums......




Written by: Radar, 10 Jun 2014 7:36 PM
From: Dominican Republic

""At the very minimum, you need a wall, and then you can build your security out from there.""Arcangel.

You, and many others, keep saying the same about the need for a wall. What you and everyone else, including some fool military higher-ups, neglect to see, is HOW MUCH it'll cost to build, and the price of its upkeep.!
It's one thing for me to wish and justify the need for an SUV, but it's another to afford one.!
It's all a matter of money, and how best to invest it to get the same results.
A wall, is not necessarily the best option in resolving this conundrum. We need to sit and think about how best to skin this cat, hear.?
Written by: Arcangel96, 10 Jun 2014 8:50 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Radar,

True, it could be costly. But so is the "status quo". The thing is that, the 275 km border wall does not need to be built overnight. It could be a long term project, sort of a national strategy if you will, with its cost and maintenance supported by any tax collected by the commerce through it...To quote my friend Josean, the 2 billion dollars in trade. Which incidentally the Haitian Government also wants a piece of that trade. They even started to build a wall on their side!











Written by: rokete, 10 Jun 2014 8:52 PM
From: Dominican Republic, (((( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !! ))))

Arcangel ...

You should see what commentators are saying about the border wall in

( almomento.net ),

Dominicans are already counting concrete blocks, and cement bags,

for the border wall, offering monetary and their personal contributions.

Some in the US willing to send money for the cause.

No need for government expenses,

we the Dominican people are going to build it,

with or without the government.

It does not matter what your US paid legislator say !!

We the people are going to build it !!
Written by: Arcangel96, 10 Jun 2014 9:25 PM
From: Dominican Republic
rokete,

Undoubtedly, the idea of a border wall is popular in DR. An informal survey by "El Nacional" shows 92% of its participant agree with building the wall. "Diario Libre" had another one with also 93% favoring the idea. "Hoy Digital" 87%....

Written by: Arcangel96, 10 Jun 2014 9:33 PM
From: Dominican Republic

This is part of what I mean when I say "status quo".....

"Además, los hospitales ubicados al otro lado de la frontera, cobran todos los servicios, los exámenes de laboratorio, consultas etcétera, mientras en los dominicanos son totalmente gratis."

Google:
"En hospitales de la frontera nacen dos niños haitianos por cada parturienta de RD"

-El Nacional
Written by: rokete, 10 Jun 2014 9:42 PM
From: Dominican Republic, (((( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !! ))))

Arcangel ...

Thanks for the newpaper survey.

Shows i have been on the right track al along !!

Got to concentrate on get it done !!
Written by: josean, 10 Jun 2014 9:46 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016


The majority of Germans supported Hitler and still thst didn't make it right!


Written by: rokete, 10 Jun 2014 10:18 PM
From: Dominican Republic, (((( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !! ))))


Heil Hitler !!

Hitler turn Germany from being the beggers of Europe in 1924,

to the most power nation on earth in less than 10 years.

Jewish international bankers in London set to destroy German economy,

and ceated wars upon Hitlers government, because Hitler printed his own money !!


FASCISM IS THE SOLUTION !!
Written by: Arcangel96, 10 Jun 2014 10:38 PM
From: Dominican Republic
josean,

The right thing would be for the Haitian government to take responsibility and provide for its people...instead of trying to guilt us into solving their issues. Don't you think?




Written by: josean, 10 Jun 2014 11:03 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016


Agreed!

............and we should do the same and not deny nationality to Dominican born citizens of Haitian ancestry whose only mistake was not to pick who were going to be their parents before they were born like you did!


Written by: Arcangel96, 10 Jun 2014 11:26 PM
From: Dominican Republic


If they comply with the requirements established for the Dominican nationality then....certainly. But to advocated and/or demand that this is an automatic right, while at the same time, the Haitian people does not follow or allow such practice is simply dishonest. "Do as I say...not as I do"


Written by: josean, 10 Jun 2014 11:42 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016



Dominicans of Haitian ancestry have nothing to do with how the Haitian government administers it's state or complies with its own laws and policies.




Written by: Arcangel96, 11 Jun 2014 12:21 AM
From: Dominican Republic

Actually, according to their laws, Dominicans of Haitian ancestry are also Haitian. Is another thing, if they do not want nothing to do with Haiti and its laws. The interesting thing is that while Dominicans of Haitian ancestry exist, the opposite is not necessarily true and that this discrepancy goes conveniently unnoticed while abusive, defamatory, or derogatory terms are used to describe us, if we dare to point out that we also have requirements for obtaining the Dominican nationality. Plain and simple.





Written by: venganzaderafael, 11 Jun 2014 1:29 AM
From: United States
Well put archangel. Haitian ideas of cooperation , integration and fairness all take place on Dominican soil. Haitian soil remains wholly haitian thru their "nazi like" laws limiting haitian citizenship only to haitian offsprings.
The outrage.
Written by: josean, 11 Jun 2014 5:43 AM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016


"Actually, according to their laws"


....but not up to ours up to 2010!




Written by: Arcangel96, 11 Jun 2014 10:47 AM
From: Dominican Republic
josean,

....but not up to ours up to 2010!

Humm...that was settled by the TC/0168/13.



Written by: josean, 11 Jun 2014 11:08 AM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016



So said the NAZIS about the Nuremberg Laws until they were hung!


Written by: rokete, 11 Jun 2014 11:13 AM
From: Dominican Republic, (((( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !! ))))

The more I read josehaitianos writing the greater the laugh !!

Nazi this , Nazi that, Nazi the other !

If we Dominicans are despicable Nazis,

why does your Haitians negritude are so desperate to be Dominican then.

Despised by the brown Dominican Nazis ??

See how stupid you sound !!

Because your negritudes are masochists ?

You are real joker dude !

LOLOL
Written by: Arcangel96, 11 Jun 2014 11:58 AM
From: Dominican Republic
josean,

The difference being that Nazi Germany went to war with half the world and committed unspeakable acts against humanity, while in Dominican Rep. we simply want to build a border wall and be able to enforce our immigration and nationality laws like any other country world. In my humble, trying to equate these things is simply foolish and nonsensical.

Written by: josean, 11 Jun 2014 12:18 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016

.............you were talking about a court ruling that codifies discrimination to deny citizenship to those born in the DR for the only reason of their and ancestral heritage. I just pointed out some of the most famous codifications in law of legal discrimination i.e. the Nuremberg Laws ( before the war) that had a similar dehumanizing efect for Jews and serious economic consequences.........and that it didn't turn out very well for those who promulgated those anti Semitic legal machinations.

It is the Nuremberg Trials that have to do with crimes of War (as I assume you know the difference) and that's not what I was referring to........ but it was a good attempt at distortion on your part as usual or to give you the benfit of doubt......... ignorance at best!

Written by: rokete, 11 Jun 2014 12:24 PM
From: Dominican Republic, (((( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !! ))))

Newrenberg dude wake up this is 2014 not 1945 !!

The dominican court ruling had been in effect since 1929 !

THOSE ILLEGAL OFFSPRINGS ARE HAITIANS, NO MATTER WHAT YOU SAY !!

You are defending a Haitian fusion dream of 1801.

Perpetrated since 1870 in land encroachments and pacific invasions.

But your voice is weak in the Hispaniola Hidden Fusion Agenda !

The BORDER WALL is going to send a loud and clear message to the world,

that we don't want a fusion in La Espanola.

That we are determined to put a halt to the macabre plans for a fusion !

You are confused dude !
Written by: TuPapaupa2014, 11 Jun 2014 12:38 PM
From: United States, (((((roketa + blue105 + borderwall = SAME POSTER..BUSTED!!!. JAJAJAJAJA!)))))

Wow, roketa, that did't last long, kid......

Like I said, all it takes is someone getting you mad for you to go berserk and star hijacking the articles' topics......

My question is: where are the whiners who are always calling for the article's hijackers to get banned?.

Don't go getting banned...no, no, noooo, then who am I supposed to riducule for giving US decent and educated Dominicans a bad name?.

Te agarro esta noche. No te vayas a correr como anoche...

And relax, PET....no need to get so mad all the times..this is a computer site..it"s not that serious, Nachiito....TAPATE!
Written by: rokete, 11 Jun 2014 12:56 PM
From: Dominican Republic, (((( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !! ))))
Written by: TuPapaupa2014, 11 Jun 2014 12:38 PM
From: United States, (((((roketa + blue105 + borderwall = SAME POSTER..BUSTED!!!. JAJAJAJAJA!)))))

Wow, roketa, that did't last long, kid......

Like I said, all it takes is someone getting you mad for you to go berserk and star hijacking the articles' topics......

My question is: where are the whiners who are always calling for the article's hijackers to get banned?.

Don't go getting banned...no, no, noooo, then who am I supposed to riducule for giving US decent and educated Dominicans a bad name?.

Te agarro esta noche. No te vayas a correr como anoche...

And relax, PET....no need to get so mad all the times..this is a computer site..it"s not that serious, Nachiito....TAPATE!
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Educated Dominicans ?

You cannot seriously be including yourself in that group !

A CHOPO who sells fake CD's to survive,

talking about educated Dominicans !


That is a joke and a laugh !
Written by: Arcangel96, 11 Jun 2014 12:59 PM
From: Dominican Republic
josean,

Again, trying to compared any acts that happened during Nazi Germany to what has been happening in Dominican Rep. is pure hyperbole my friend. It does not add credibility to your argument. It simply serves to convey images of the war, and less of the subsequent trials. I mean... specifically, what in the in the TC/0168/13 reads like any section of the Nuremberg Laws?

Written by: josean, 11 Jun 2014 1:03 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016




Depends on what the meaning of Is Is!


Written by: Lautaro, 11 Jun 2014 2:37 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Bring DT Forum Back
"Dominicans of Haitian ancestry have nothing to do with how the Haitian government administers it's state or complies with its own laws and policies."

They have all to do with it because they're just a symptom/result of a larger problem, namely, the inability of the Haitian government to build/run a minimally functional country, and also, a perpetual reminder of the hypocrisy with which the international community is handling and have handled the matter, since they always fail to demand from the Haitian gov. the standards in well governance/human rights they demand from ours. If a true prosperity through collaboration, as you advocate, is to take place on this island, then both parties need to be held accountable by the same rules/expectations/standards. Otherwise, as Juan Bosch would say, the parties just need to break the cards and be done with the game.
Written by: rokete, 11 Jun 2014 2:46 PM
From: Dominican Republic, (((( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !! ))))


Lautaro ..

Ageed 100 % !

Kudos to that hard to swallow truth in the essence of that comment !

Either we play by the rules or done with game !!
Written by: josean, 11 Jun 2014 6:26 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016



Dr. L although you made tambora ROT-knee orgasmic and prematurely ejaculatory, I fail to see how Dominicans of Haitian ancestry have any influence over Haitian domestic policy.



Written by: Lautaro, 11 Jun 2014 7:00 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Bring DT Forum Back
"I fail to see how Dominicans of Haitian ancestry have any influence over Haitian domestic policy."

Easily. The continuing pressure on the part of the Haitian governing elite to make this group an enfranchised, pampered group in this country would only serve to heighten the "calling effect" this country already has over the Haitian masses, alleviating their social pressures in the process. So you see, josean, I disagree with you about keeping ourselves isolated from the Haitian process. The more this process continues in a morass, the more harmful will its effects be upon the well being of this country in the long run. It should be the duty of every sane Dominican to seek the enactment of change in the Haitian socioeconomic process, in order to avoid having our own house being dragged down by it. Call it preemptive social change or whatever you want, but this is my belief.
Written by: TuPapaupa2014, 11 Jun 2014 8:50 PM
From: United States, (((((roketa + blue105 + borderwall = SAME POSTER..BUSTED!!!. JAJAJAJAJA!)))))

by: Lautaro, 11 Jun 2014 7:00 PM

Easily. The continuing pressure on the part of the Haitian governing elite to make this group an enfranchised, pampered group in this country would only serve to heighten the "calling effect" this country already has over the Haitian masses, alleviating their social pressures in the process. So you see, josean, I disagree with you about keeping ourselves isolated from the Haitian process. The more this process continues in a morass, the more harmful will its effects be upon the well being of this country in the long run. It should be the duty of every sane Dominican to seek the enactment of change in the Haitian socioeconomic process, in order to avoid h
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Brodel Lau, PLEASE reply to roketa....he is in a "licking butt" mode....just be careful....not many want to be associated with such a NUT. JAJAJA.

Seriously, hopefully you are here when I get home......would like to pick your brain about this wall thingie.....ABUULLL.
Written by: Lautaro, 11 Jun 2014 8:56 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Bring DT Forum Back
I think my above answer should suffice, Tupa, since the last thing someone like him would advocate, is for us Dominicans to get more involved in Haitian affairs. I'm completely in agreement with the radio host Jose La Luz when he says that the DR will always have problems with Haiti as long as our state doesn't get to have a policy of economic and cultural conquest of that country, just like the Yanks have with us and the rest of Latin America, or Brazil has with the Lusophone world.
Written by: rokete, 11 Jun 2014 9:32 PM
From: Dominican Republic, (((( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !! ))))
Written by: TuPapaupa2014, 11 Jun 2014 8:50 PM
From: United States, (((((roketa + blue105 + borderwall = SAME POSTER..BUSTED!!!. JAJAJAJAJA!)))))


Brodel Lau, PLEASE reply to roketa....he is in a "licking butt" mode....just be careful....not many want to be associated with such a NUT. JAJAJA.

Seriously, hopefully you are here when I get home....would like to pick your brain about this wall thingie...ABUULLL.
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Tupahaitianazo

My pet, are you feeling alienated, left out, abandoned, preocupied, worries and are looking for allies.

The only ones that support your highjaking the treads, and cyberstalking posters,

are josehaitiano, ignoranceiblis and dredlocks. Honest posters who contribute

something of value are sick and tired of your nonsense and jajaja.


I am the only one that has compassion for your negritude, my pet.

Because, I know you problem is envy.

But, envy has a cure by experiencing minimal success.

Don't dispair !
Written by: TuPapaupa2014, 11 Jun 2014 10:46 PM
From: United States, (((((roketa + blue105 + borderwall = SAME POSTER..BUSTED!!!. JAJAJAJAJA!)))))

RoketaTheGringoWannabe, tell us about those imaginary people sending you PM's...JAJAJA

roketaLaRata, just like your imaginary English basura of a grandfather, those PM exists only in your empty head

MyPERRA, you don't have what it takes to do "BATTLE" with me..reason why you are always crying like a little girl about the Bad Wolf Tupa....AND creating a bunch of usernames to talk to yourself, trying to make others believe you have "supporters".

NOBODY wants to be associated with such a lowlife CHOPA like you...unless it's to use you like a puppet....hasta la porqueria esa y tu Haitian son-in-law cross the street when the see you coming, ignoramus

Where are you, cobarde?....you are here all day when I am not around but when I tell you when I am going to be here, you go running to the hills.....didn't I tell you not to put your running shoes on, RAT?

Ok, I'll get you tomorrow, "tough" girl

Btw, watch her come after I am gone...roketaLaPERRACobarde...y chopa, JAJAJA
Written by: rokete, 12 Jun 2014 12:50 PM
From: Dominican Republic, (((( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !! ))))



TUPAHAITIANAZO ........ MY PET !!!


Pobrecito te tengo loco viendo visiones, ya me ves en cada lugar,

despues de cansarte de hablar disparate !!

Ahora estas hablando sica, boboso !

LMAO
Written by: generoso, 12 Jun 2014 1:20 PM
From: Dominican Republic, ****Raise your words, not your voice. Rain grows food, not thunder.****
Lautaro

Excellent point Lautaro, but getting involved with Haitians is not as easy as many wish. Even the dictator next door in Cuba, has kept hands off Haiti, even though the proximity of Haiti to Cuba is minimal, and I don't believe it had much to do with any unwritten Russian-Cuban-USA agreement, after the missile crisis.
Haiti is a "black hole" from the description of physics. No matter how much is invested there, the country suffocates and devours it.
Dominican businessmen have encountered a myriad of obstacles, to establish a presence there, and many have been swindled by the elite business mafia, in cahoots with high government officials.
Many Dominican players have opted to go to less uphill destinations, with better security and less of a risk.
Haitians do not like Dominican boom boom, as we are sometimes referred to, pointing their fingers as they where holding a gun, and I would discourage efforts to do business there, at the present.
Written by: rokete, 12 Jun 2014 3:01 PM
From: Dominican Republic, (((( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !! ))))
Written by: generoso, 12 Jun 2014 1:20 PM
From: Dominican Republic, "Prosperity through Collaboration"

Haitians do not like Dominican boom boom, as we are sometimes referred to, pointing their fingers as they where holding a gun, and I would discourage efforts to do business there, at the present
__________________


Generoso ..


Thank you Generoso for pointing that out to Lautaro.

I hope he can see the light and true reality,

of everyday Haitian unjustified and unprovoqued feelings of hate towards us Dominicans,

for centuries.

DOMINICANS HERE !
////////////////////////////////////////////////// BORDER WALL
HAITIAN OVER THERE !
Written by: TuPapaupa2014, 12 Jun 2014 4:31 PM
From: United States, (((((roketa + blue105 + borderwall = SAME POSTER..BUSTED!!!. JAJAJAJAJA!)))))
Written by: rokete, 12 Jun 2014 3:01 PM

Generoso ..


Thank you Generoso for pointing that out to Lautaro.

I hope he can see the light and true reality,

of everyday Haitian unjustified and unprovoqued feelings of hate towards us Dominicans,

for centuries.

DOMINICANS HERE !
////////////////////////////////////////////////// BORDER WALL
HAITIAN OVER THERE !
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PUCKER UP...............la pobre, la reduci a lamber fullin...like all the other LLORONAS. JAJAJAJA.

Ayyyyyy, rookieta, si supieras lo que te espera....
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Written by: Antichrist, 19 Jun 2014 10:12 PM
From: United States
blah...blah..blah...blah...all talk and no action.

Move the dominican army to the border and militarize it.

Stop all movements of people and goods.

Until dr is willing to do that......the haitian invasion will continue.
Written by: josean, 19 Jun 2014 10:52 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016




Be patient tambora ROT-knee AKA Coproal Agarn/Sergeant Schultz are organizing F Troop to occupy the border!




Written by: TuPapaupa2014, 20 Jun 2014 2:46 PM
From: United States, (((((roketa + blue105 + borderwall = SAME POSTER..BUSTED!!!. JAJAJAJAJA!)))))


Written by: josean, 19 Jun 2014 10:52 PM

Be patient tambora ROT-knee AKA Coproal Agarn/Sergeant Schultz are organizing F Troop to occupy the border!
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DiZque the "F Troop".....JAJAJAJAJAJAJAJA.

No wonder that loser is Missing In Action. JAJAJAJAJAJA.
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