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Santo Domingo.- The Haitian Embassy on Tuesday announced the start in one month of the Haitian Immigrants Identification Documentation Program (PIDIH) to provide identity documents to around 300,000 Haitians living in Dominican Republic, at a cost of RD$2,500 per person.

The PIDIH would cost of US$10 million, to be covered by the Haitian Government..

François Guillaume II, Minister for Haitians Living Abroad made the announcement Tuesday night, accompanied by Haiti ambassador Fritz Cineas and PIDIH deputy Coordinators Gustavo Acacia and Aino Comogho.

Guillaume said family groups will be given special consideration and children will only be charged RD$150.

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Written by: guillermone, 25 Jun 2014 8:14 AM
From: United States, Bring Back DT Forum

This is step one............step 2.......DR residency........step 3 Dominican citizenship.....
step 4 become regional majority.......step 5...........get into elected office..........
step 6.......increase political influence and power.........step..........7 May God Have Mercy on the DR
Written by: DONT_BE_SILENT, 25 Jun 2014 8:26 AM
From: Dominican Republic, NEVER FORGOTTEN, NOR FORSAKEN!
Thanks to DM that f@cking coward, and the traitor LF.
Written by: josean, 25 Jun 2014 8:35 AM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016

“Soy hijo y nieto de inmigrantes. Vine a este país sin papeles y hoy estoy aspirando al Congreso de los Estados Unidos”, reiteró el candidato que llegó a Nueva York junto a su familia desde la República Dominicana cuando tenía nueve años. Espaillat acudió a votar acompañado de su madre Melba, su hijo Adriano y su nieto Ulises, de cuatro meses.

"I am the son and grandson of immigrants. I came to this country without papers and today I'm aspiring to the Congress of the United States, "reiterated the candidate who came to New York with his family from the Dominican Republic when he was nine. Espaillat went to vote accompanied by his mother Melba, his son and grandson Ulysses Adriano, four months.


There might be a future Dominican Congressman/woman in that line of Haitians without papers like Adriano Espaillat!

Written by: ignoranceisbliss, 25 Jun 2014 8:35 AM
From: United States
I thought the number was 2-3 million. Must be a typo because we know the voice of everything dominican (living abroad) says so.
Written by: josean, 25 Jun 2014 8:38 AM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016



I warned you guys when you were Clapping like Seals about the NAZI ruling 168-13 of the law of unintended consequences!

Written by: DONT_BE_SILENT, 25 Jun 2014 8:44 AM
From: Dominican Republic, NEVER FORGOTTEN, NOR FORSAKEN!
He just lost to the old Fart! Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Written by: josean, 25 Jun 2014 8:50 AM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016



You think he lost because he was an illegal immigrant?

Or because NARCO Lie-onel endorsed him?





Written by: bernies, 25 Jun 2014 8:52 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Juan Dolio
Josean the haitian government can give their national as many documents as they need, but remember one thing the Dominican government will only give them the right to live and work in this country and just about 13, 000 haitians will be giving Dominican citizenship. There is a process that all foreigners must follow and complete before becoming a Dominican national. By the way Adriano Espaillat and his family when they arrived in the USA they had Dominican document unlike the haitians that doesn't even exist in this planet because they don't have birth certificate. Every Dominican that migrate to the USA have a Dominican birth certificate and if is an adult has a cédula or passport.
Written by: josean, 25 Jun 2014 9:07 AM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016



bernies its Senator Espaillat who said he had no papers and immigrated illegally into the United States.

.....so do you think he should be deprived from holding an elective office and much less running for the Congress of the United States when he is not even a native born American whose parents broke the law and brought him into the United States?

......because if we are going to be very strict and moralistic then he has committed a greater offense than a Haitian who was born prior to 2010 in the Dominican Republic and is now being denied his or her citizenship.....in other words that native born Haitian has more right to be a Dominican than Espaillat has to be a US citizen, who was born on foreign soil and was purposely brought into the United States illegally.......

.......just pointing out the HYPOCRISY that's all.........




Written by: danny00, 25 Jun 2014 9:20 AM
From: United States, Acropolis 114 santo DOMINGO
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Written by: danny00, 25 Jun 2014 9:14 AM
From: United States, Old Westbury Long Island
News flash~~~~~~CHARLIE WINS IN NEW YORK. AS I SAID the DAY HES A WAR HERO.... Maybe later for the DOMINICAN
SORRY ROKETE. .... Maybe the Voters in New York saw a DOMINICAN WHO IS COLOR BLIND. MAYBE THEY SEE THE DR AS A RACISTS COUNTRY? I don't know do u.
Written by: guillermone, 25 Jun 2014 9:39 AM
From: United States, Bring Back DT Forum
....so do you think he should be deprived from holding an elective office and much less running for the Congress of the US he is not even a native born American whose parents broke the law and brought him into the US?
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Except for one thing and there is a big difference, Dominican nationals are not the one single biggest minority group in the US. They are instead a very small percentage of the total US native population. And they do not have the capacity to potentially and literally walk over to the other side and take over. And Dominicans don't make up 20% to 25% of residents like Haitians in the DR. And NEVER has the Dom Rep ever invaded or wanted to take over the USA. And there has never been anyone of Dominican ancestry who has been or was almost elected to the US presidency.

You see our fears are not necessarily unfounded, we are not suffering from some sort of anxiety disorder or paranoia. The Haitian threat is real, very much alive and heading full speed ahead.
Written by: josean, 25 Jun 2014 9:42 AM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016




Those nationalistic rationalization would not hold up in US immigration court as to why Dominicans should be exempted and be allowed to immigrate illegally into the United States.



Written by: guillermone, 25 Jun 2014 9:43 AM
From: United States, Bring Back DT Forum

Those nationalistic rationalization would not hold up in US immigration court as to why Dominicans should be exempted and be allowed to immigrate illegally into the United States.
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You missed the point.
Written by: josean, 25 Jun 2014 9:46 AM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016


No you do!

............. you don't want the gander to be treated equally to the goose........








Written by: guillermone, 25 Jun 2014 9:51 AM
From: United States, Bring Back DT Forum

No you do!

............. you don't want the gander to be treated equally to the goose........
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Please re-read and analyze my post, ponder and meditate on what I have said,
before you make another impulsive comment.
Written by: josean, 25 Jun 2014 9:56 AM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016



On the contrary it is you ultraNAZIonalist who do not read international laws or conventions we have signed on to and it's you who issue impulsive NAZI rulings like 168-13 or proposals to build Magic Border Walls that earn us the disdain and ridicule of the world.


Your arguments would be seen in US immigration court as mere self-serving nationalistic spaghetti rationalizations.




Written by: DONT_BE_SILENT, 25 Jun 2014 9:59 AM
From: Dominican Republic, NEVER FORGOTTEN, NOR FORSAKEN!
I don't give a rat ass about Espaillat, he's just another good for nothing liberal, he does not represent what I stand for.
Written by: josean, 25 Jun 2014 10:02 AM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016




I am sure he doesn't give a rats ass about you either!


Written by: venganzaderafael, 25 Jun 2014 10:06 AM
From: United States
Guille , Josey just about admitted that political control of certain areas, municipalities, etc. IS the agenda of the invading peasant hordes.

Trujillo warned us about this over 50 yrs ago,...we didn't listen.
Written by: josean, 25 Jun 2014 10:06 AM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016



......you must also hate all the other Dominican elected officials in the US since the overwhelming majority are not members of the Tea Party.......

.......but you could always start a campaign for the Dominican Nazi cab driver to run for something!

I am sure that the SWASTIKA logo will go very well on his campaign bumper stickers especially in Harlem and in the Bronx!

Written by: DONT_BE_SILENT, 25 Jun 2014 10:06 AM
From: Dominican Republic, NEVER FORGOTTEN, NOR FORSAKEN!
Go have a mud cookie haitian.............
Written by: josean, 25 Jun 2014 10:08 AM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016




Your the Haitian........attacking Dominican politicians as traitors!





Written by: venganzaderafael, 25 Jun 2014 10:20 AM
From: United States
Rational beings cannot compare Dominican's minute and mostly legal migration to the CONTINENT of the US with the massive (10-20% of the population) illegal INVASION of our natural enemies into part of a small island.
But those Haitians and their advocates will try.
Written by: josean, 25 Jun 2014 10:26 AM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016


The law does care if its minute or major the law is the law..........especially to you UltraNAZIonalists when you apply it to Haitians and Dominicans of Haitian ancestry!

PS

The US is not a continent!



Written by: AytiZekle, 25 Jun 2014 10:32 AM
From: Haiti, Haiti reveille toi, Ayti pap mouri
"CONTINENT of the US " ????
Written by: josean, 25 Jun 2014 10:34 AM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016



Don't be to hard on venganzaderafael........


..........he went to school before the 4% in education was enacted!






Written by: guillermone, 25 Jun 2014 10:39 AM
From: United States, Bring Back DT Forum

Your arguments would be seen in US immigration court as mere self-serving nationalistic spaghetti rationalizations.
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What the US immigration thinks, its besides the point and irrelevant to the matter.
Unlike Haitians, Dominicans do not pose a threat to the US gov't sovereignty... no, ifs ands or butts
and that is exactly what you are missing or care to admit.

The US relatively speaking has things contained and under control, and among other things the will and resources to follow through and carry out their agenda until the very end.

Unlike DR govt officials who lack the balls, run around like a chicken without a head, ready to lay an egg, breaking down under pressure and instead of being proactive are simply and unfortunately reactive with regards to the Haitian issue as just the jilt of the problem.
Written by: josean, 25 Jun 2014 10:48 AM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016

"What the US immigration thinks, its besides the point and irrelevant to the matter."


To your spaghetti twisted distorted matter that is!


.......as to Dominican politicians not having balls well we elected them.....so we are the blame or are we going to fend that off to Haitians as well!


Written by: chilliwestaziz, 25 Jun 2014 11:15 AM
From: Jamaica
Just watched 'The New Haiti 2013 by JC Laurant' on Youtube......for those of you who have never been to Haiti, you have probably seen the poorest conditions on regular media. This will show you a bit of the progress that has been made and the good conditions that some live in.

It is a long video....enjoy.

Also, I believe that the Dominican government should pay half of this id cost. Many of these people do not speak Creole, have never been to Haiti, and more profoundly, do not identify themselves as Haitians....They are Dominicans.

Are we so sure that Trujillo's grandparent had her documents in order?
Written by: nyclatinhunk, 25 Jun 2014 11:32 AM
From: United States
And they will be charging approximately US $50 in the process. Once again, the international community donates money to aid in this process and the Haitian elite turn it into a business while the DR charges nothing for the regularization program. Had it been the other way around, the international community would be down our throats. How could you charge those "poor innocent impoverished Haitians"? Gotta love the hypocrisy! I expect these ID's will be as good as penciled on a napkin considering what Haiti has for a central registry. By the way, the Haitian government has no interest in documenting its citizens since it will enable the masses to vote and thus empower them. No wonder elections in Haiti are decided by just 12% of the population.
Written by: Danilo, 25 Jun 2014 11:55 AM
From: Dominican Republic, SDQ --- VIGILADOR.COM (Beta) - Vigilando nuestra Quisqueya
Lol, joseano goes against anything that's logical!

Anyway, we need to ID all these Haitians so we know who to imprison after they've been caught a few times, just like how the US does it.
Written by: TuPapaupa2014, 25 Jun 2014 12:08 PM
From: United States, (((((roketa + blue105 + borderwall = SAME POSTER..BUSTED!!!. JAJAJAJAJA!)))))

I hope that after all this is said and done, they give those now legal in the DR a few Sex Education classes........hoping each family doesn't have 5-8 kids.

Not trying to be harsh but, CONAZOOOOOOOOOO, I am yet to see a Haitian family in the DR, legal or not, that doesn't have a bunch of kids.

NOT saying that ALOT of Dominicans don't need those classes also, they do, but it seems that MOST Haitians in the DR are a "family of 6-8".

Usen "sombreros" for crying out loud!.
Written by: ignoranceisbliss, 25 Jun 2014 1:04 PM
From: United States
Free condoms. It's not the notm. Most poor people have lots of kis
Written by: rokete, 25 Jun 2014 1:31 PM
From: Dominican Republic, (((( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !! ))))
Danny ...

The reality is that the Dominica Republic is the most racialy integrated country on earth !! Therefore, no matter how you slice it, you statement is not true due to lack of foundation. We simply refuse to be associated with anything Haitian

But, if you ask me as an individual, I hate your racist black Afrocentric negritude with inferiority comple !!
Written by: josean, 25 Jun 2014 1:40 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016



...........nobody asked you so go back to mixing cement and building the magic wall.......




Written by: rokete, 25 Jun 2014 2:35 PM
From: Dominican Republic, (((( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !! ))))

Haitian you are a joke and a laugh !!!

LMAO
Written by: rokete, 25 Jun 2014 4:21 PM
From: Dominican Republic, (((( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !! ))))

Haitianazo !!!!

LMAO
Written by: HaitiTheCaseStudy, 25 Jun 2014 6:44 PM
From: United States
Comparing immigration to the US vs Immigration by Haitians to the DR confirm again and again the Anti-black, Anti-African, and Anti-Haitianismo ideology of the DR political elite. Long time ago, when immigrants arrive in America they were told a few things !) You are free 2) You follow the law 3) You have to learn English in order to get a job 3) You get a job and work hard to better your life 4) Have a nice day
On the contrary, when Haitian immigrants arrive in the DR long time ago they were told 1) You are not free 2) You will not go to school 3) You will slave-labor in sugar cane plantations for the rest of your life 4) You are not human.
Had the DR integrate their Haitian immigrants into their society as human beings, the Haitians as well as their off-springs would have been by now productive members of the DR society, educated , proud Dominicans, and hard working.
To put in perspective, there are quite a few Haitians in Germany, they reported almost no discrimination against t
Written by: chilliwestaziz, 25 Jun 2014 7:14 PM
From: Jamaica
HaitiTheCaseStudy,

Brilliant my dear Watson! You nailed it.

To summarize your point....The badly treated chickens are staying home to roost..
Written by: guillermone, 25 Jun 2014 9:14 PM
From: United States, Bring Back DT Forum
Written by: chilliwestaziz, 25 Jun 2014 7:14 PM
From: Jamaica

HaitiTheCaseStudy,

Brilliant my dear Watson! You nailed it.
To summarize your point....The badly treated chickens are staying home to roost..
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Yeah............you are right...........that is why the Dominican Republic had its first Haitian president elected to office and we almost had another one who almost became president. That is why the Cocolos from San Pedro, where thousands of immigrants arrived from the nearby Anglophone islands of the WI came to work in the sugar cane plantations and today are one of the most progressive immigrant groups on the island. That is why thousands of US black slaves escaped and settled in the Samana region of the DR and became a well integrated group into DR society and they continue to thrive as a well established community within its region.

So please stop talking all that crap
Written by: rokete, 25 Jun 2014 10:26 PM
From: Dominican Republic, (((( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !! ))))


Haititheinsanestudy ...

Who is obstructing the legalization of your Haitian compatriots ??


Who is obstructng the legalization of your own compatriots ?? Isn't it your own garbage Haitian government ?

HAITIANS HATING HAITIANS !!

Your own goverment and elite hate you !!

Yet you come here with your broken record and race card !!

You keep pointng fingers and bitting the hands of Dominicans, who are still giving your black racist negritude, the consideration that you have never deserved !!

Hypocricy much !!
Written by: rokete, 25 Jun 2014 10:27 PM
From: Dominican Republic, (((( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !! ))))


Haitianreversestudy ....

All Haitians and their decendant want is to turn Dominicana into another deforested and disgruntled Haitian black racist afrocentric kilombo !! Always, meddling in Dominican politics with your agenda of black Afrocentric racist negritude, and inferiority complex !

We had a Dominican president of Haitian descent: Ulisis Hereaux Leber. He submerged Dominicana into the worst Economic an financial crisis in our history. A crisis so severe that lasted over 30 years after his death !

Your Haitian negritude love politics, but don't know shit about nation building nor how to govern !!

Go to Caricom, Venezuela, the USA, France, and Canada. If Dominicans treat you so bad, why do you want to become our citizens!!

Everyone love Haitians, but far away from their countries !!

Haitian illegals are uninvited, go clain your rights at the Haitian kilombo !!

Hypocricy much !!
Written by: generoso, 25 Jun 2014 10:54 PM
From: Dominican Republic, +Sorry, No Habla Stupid+


Question is that according to press reports, Nicolas Maduro, President Of Venezuela, announced publicly, months ago, that he donated US$40 million to Haiti, SPECIFICALLY to provide identity papers to the illegal Haitians in DR.
If now Martelly is disbursing $10 million, what happened to the other $30 million?

Curious minds want to know.
Written by: chilliwestaziz, 26 Jun 2014 12:06 AM
From: Jamaica
Guillermone is trying to convince me that the Cocolos of San Pedro were quickly progressive and prosperous. Dude, don't try me.

Many immigrants, including Haitians, moved from the cane fields to the muelle (port) of San Pedro. There was a time that that port attracted alot of business. Delivery trucks, taxis, laborers, all made money. The place even attracted a major prospective investor, Leon Hess. You know who he was, the owner of Amerada Hess. He wanted to build the largest refinery in the Caribbean in San Pedro but decided to build it on St. Croix, USVI and away from the JFK, Trujillo family conflict.

Thanks to the good days in San Pedro, many of the original cane cutters were able to send their kids to school and many work as teachers to this day. The Haitians speak two or three languages. How many do most Dominicans speak?



Written by: chilliwestaziz, 26 Jun 2014 12:17 AM
From: Jamaica
Back then, the Caucedo port didnt exist...San Pedro was the port of entry. People from all backgrounds progressed because their community was progressive. Go to SPM now, with no major port operation. You will find a dusty little town with nothing to brag about but Amable's pastelles, a malecon full of reggaeton thugs, and a Howard Johnston Hotel that should be burned down....Please! I have been around.
Written by: airgordo, 26 Jun 2014 1:04 AM
From: Dominican Republic
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Written by: HaitiTheCaseStudy, 25 Jun 2014 6:44 PM
From: United States

On the contrary, when Haitian immigrants arrive in the DR long time ago they were told 1) You are not free 2) You will not go to school 3) You will slave-labor in sugar cane plantations for the rest of your life 4) You are not human.
Had the DR integrate their Haitian immigrants into their society as human beings, the Haitians as well as their off-springs would have been by now productive members of the DR society, educated , proud Dominicans, and hard working.
To put in perspective, there are quite a few Haitians in Germany, they reported almost no discrimination against t
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Yeah right... SO WHY YOU AND YOUR KIND keep comming here if they are entering to hell??, ANSWER that one Ungrateful Monssier...
Written by: airgordo, 26 Jun 2014 1:07 AM
From: Dominican Republic
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Written by: chilliwestaziz, 25 Jun 2014 7:14 PM
From: Jamaica
HaitiTheCaseStudy,

Brilliant my dear Watson! You nailed it.

To summarize your point....The badly treated chickens are staying home to roost..
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And HOW WELL do you and your people integrate the FEW Haitians in YOUR PLACE rasta boy?? before you write here tour usual BullSH!t i will let you know that i have very nice PICTURES of how well you "integrate" them...
Written by: airgordo, 26 Jun 2014 1:10 AM
From: Dominican Republic
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Written by: chilliwestaziz
From: Jamaica

Many immigrants, including Haitians, moved from the cane fields to the muelle (port) of San Pedro. There was a time that that port attracted alot of business. Delivery trucks, taxis, laborers, all made money. The place even attracted a major prospective investor, Leon Hess. You know who he was, the owner of Amerada Hess. He wanted to build the largest refinery in the Caribbean in San Pedro but decided to build it on St. Croix, USVI and away from the JFK, Trujillo family conflict.

Thanks to the good days in San Pedro, many of the original cane cutters were able to send their kids to school and many work as teachers to this day. The Haitians speak two or three languages. How many do most Dominicans speak?
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Haitians speak CREOLE and NOTHING MORE, do you even know what that is?? the educated elite from Petion Ville IS NOT Haiti, turn down the GANJA and educate yourself before posting stupidity like this on public where I can read it
Written by: airgordo, 26 Jun 2014 1:19 AM
From: Dominican Republic
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Written by: josean
From: United States

bernies its Senator Espaillat who said he had no papers and immigrated illegally into the United States.

.....so do you think he should be deprived from holding an elective office and much less running for the Congress of the United States when he is not even a native born American whose parents broke the law and brought him into the United States?

......because if we are going to be very strict and moralistic then he has committed a greater offense than a Haitian who was born prior to 2010 in the Dominican Republic and is now being denied his or her citizenship.....in other words that native born Haitian has more right to be a Dominican than Espaillat has to be a US citizen, who was born on foreign soil and was purposely brought into the United States illegally.......

.......just pointing out the HYPOCRISY that's all.........
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1- He had DOMINICAN papers, he EXISTED.

2- I have a Name for you to learn, Ulises Heraux,
Written by: rokete, 26 Jun 2014 1:45 AM
From: Dominican Republic, (((( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !! ))))

Furthermore, creole is ra freacking African dialect. Not even a language, no matter how much your Haitian negritude adorn it !!
Written by: rokete, 26 Jun 2014 1:45 AM
From: Dominican Republic, (((( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !! ))))


Furthermore, creole is freacking African dialect. Not even a language, no matter how much your Haitian negritude adorn it !!
Written by: ignoranceisbliss, 26 Jun 2014 5:08 AM
From: United States
Written by: rokete, 26 Jun 2014 1:45 AM
From: Dominican Republic, (((( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !! ))))

Furthermore, creole is ra freacking African dialect. Not even a language, no matter how much your Haitian negritude adorn it !!

More stupidity from the know nothing

You guys realize creole I spoken in other places besides haiti right?
Written by: venganzaderafael, 26 Jun 2014 9:57 AM
From: United States
Just wondering ign, is it the same creole in other places?
Can any of these other places understand "Haitian" creole.

And BTW Josey and aytiz, the comment of "continent of US was to illustrate the "continental" difference in size between US and DR . US has the capacity to absorb the entire island of Hispaniola. The DR cannot absorb anymore Haitians or we will become Haitians at the rate you "plants" reproduce.

Didn't think it was going to be necesarry to detail the thought but I guess you two numskulls need to be lead by your noses.

As far as education Josey , I was educated in one of the top High Schools and Universities in the US. I didn't have to deal with the 4% you were weaned on.

Bottom line is we on the most part emigrate legally with documents, Haitians violate foreign territories illegally and without any identifying documents.
That's how we wind up with all your convicts on our side.
Can't wait for the deportations to begin. And its coming.
Written by: chilliwestaziz, 26 Jun 2014 10:46 AM
From: Jamaica
Airgordo,

So, are you saying that the Haitians who live in the bateys do not communicate with Dominicans in Spanish or do the Dominicans speak to them in Creole since this is all they know? There may be Air in your name but please do not be a windbag!

Creole can be understood by the people of Dominica, the people of St. Lucia, St. Martin, St. Barts, some communities in Cuba, Martinique, and Guadeloupe.
Written by: tambora, 26 Jun 2014 11:23 AM
From: United States, Sentencia TC/0168/13 Stands Unrevoked One Year Later! 9/23/2013


Yes, but that is primarily because these areas have a high level of Haitian immigration. That is why it is spoken in those places. It's not the official language there.
Written by: Lautaro, 26 Jun 2014 11:36 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Bring DT Forum Back
No, tambora, he's speaking about the intelligibility of Haitian kreyol with the other kreyols of those islands. You are aware of the fact that all the Caribbean plantation colonies of the French developed kreyols of their own, right? It's the same case with the ones of the Anglosphere, although the intelligibility here varies wildly. For example, not all the speakers of Belizean kriol and Jamaican patois can understand the Sranan Tongo spoken in Suriname. It all depends on geographical distance and ethnohistory.
Written by: rokete, 26 Jun 2014 11:57 AM
From: Dominican Republic, (((( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !! ))))


Ignorante ...

You are a mayor stupid dude !!!

Creole is still an African dialect, no mater how you slice it, and adorn it with a few mispronounciated French words !!

Stupid is what stipid does !

You are always defending the undefendable and justifying the unjustifyable !!

What does that make you ??

Stupid Haitian of course !!!

Written by: guillermone, 26 Jun 2014 1:06 PM
From: United States, Bring Back DT Forum
Written by: chilliwestaziz, 26 Jun 2014 12:06 AM
From: Jamaica

Guillermone is trying to convince me that the Cocolos of San Pedro were quickly progressive and prosperous. Dude, don't try me.
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Thanks Mr chilliwestaziz- You have just given us a perfect example of people who say one thing but then contradict themselves. The vast majority non-Hispanic African descendants or darker skin people of the Anglophone Caribbean who came to San Pedro or other parts of the DR prospered not only because of the economic bonanza of the times but mainly due to their civilized nature, human qualities, close knit sense of community, discipline, commitment to education and devotion to religion. Although initially discriminated, but yet for a variety of reasons earned the respect of the DR natives and eventually in varying degrees prospered, were accepted and became fully integrated into Dominican society. Yes they were black and did well.You said it yourself. So much for your argument
Written by: tambora, 26 Jun 2014 1:39 PM
From: United States, Sentencia TC/0168/13 Stands Unrevoked One Year Later! 9/23/2013


@Lautaro

Hi. Yes, I'm aware the islands developed their own form of patois. The one that I find easiest to understand is that of the Trinidadians.
Written by: josean, 26 Jun 2014 2:58 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016



Dr. L,

.............tambora ROT-knee is now aware after you made she/he aware!



Written by: chilliwestaziz, 26 Jun 2014 3:32 PM
From: Jamaica
Guillermone,

My point was, everyone prospered because of an influx of opportunities in SPM during this time period. Internal qualities did not guarantee success and progress. The pressures exerted on demand for labor due to port operations (directly and indirectly) married supply. Cane cutters came out of the fields and took better paying jobs because they were there. Most poor people progressed despite their nationality; not because of it. Understand, rubber band!

Haitian immigrants throughout the world have always demonstrated exceptional tenacity. Could you have survived on what they had/have to live on in your country? You can say what you want about Haitians, but lazy does not fit their bill.

By the Way: There are some moderately successful Haitians who started out in SPM's bateys but who are now Colmado owners and sellers of outdoor market clothes/shoes. Some of their children are even doctors today in your country.
Written by: guillermone, 26 Jun 2014 3:54 PM
From: United States, Bring Back DT Forum
By the Way: There are some moderately successful Haitians who started out in SPM's bateys but who are now Colmado owners and sellers of outdoor market clothes/shoes. Some of their children are even doctors today in your country.
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Yes, I am familiar with them. "Internal qualities did not guarantee success and progress."

Yet I think it is a combination of both a thriving economy and personal human qualities together with a strong desire to prosper.

Nevertheless, an "influx of opportunities" does not necessarily guarantee success either. However, I believe internal qualities have far greater powers then your surrounding environment or personal circumstances. There are people who see opportunity in every difficulty while others only see difficulty, risk, doom and gloom with every opportunity.

“In the Midst of Chaos There is also Opportunity.” - Sun Tzu
Written by: ignoranceisbliss, 26 Jun 2014 4:54 PM
From: United States
Venga said,

Yes venga most creole speakers understand each other. There are differences like any other language that develop in different countries. If you were educated in a top university you wouldn't sound like rokete. A barefoot illiterate holding a boom upside down trying to impress.

Lautaro please educate the so called college graduates on here
Written by: tambora, 26 Jun 2014 6:10 PM
From: United States, Sentencia TC/0168/13 Stands Unrevoked One Year Later! 9/23/2013

@Josean

No bumboclaat, I was already aware through my many West Indian friends who I've known for 2 decades.
Written by: TuPapaupa2014, 26 Jun 2014 6:17 PM
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Written by: rokete, 26 Jun 2014 11:57 AM

Ignorante ...

You are a mayor stupid dude !!!

Creole is still an African dialect, no mater how you slice it, and adorn it with a few mispronounciated French words !!

Stupid is what stipid does !

You are always defending the undefendable and justifying the unjustifyable !!

What does that make you ??

Stupid Haitian of course !!!
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roketaLaSoqueta, best if you stop writing words you can't spell...........

Face it, PET, no matter how smart you try to sound, we know better.

Btw, gane' 3 "cositas" de CD PIRATEAO.......want me to send you a few bucks?.

This DOMINICANAAAAAAAAAAAAAZO doesn't mind helping the less fortunate.........let me know.
Written by: rokete, 26 Jun 2014 7:57 PM
From: Dominican Republic, (((( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !! ))))


You mean Tambora is aware !!

I could not care less about your racist black Afrocentric negritude with inferiority complex !! Whether Frenchie or Anglophones !!

Your negritude don't speak Spanish, then I am not interested !!!
Written by: rokete, 26 Jun 2014 8:02 PM
From: Dominican Republic, (((( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !! ))))

TUPHAITIANAZO, you are the less fortunate !!

Go sell some pirated CD's !!!

Chopo HAITIANAZO !!!
Written by: rokete, 26 Jun 2014 8:02 PM
From: Dominican Republic, (((( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !! ))))

TUPHAITIANAZO, you are the less fortunate !!

Better get out there to sell your fake CD's, or else you won't eat tonight !!!

LOL
Written by: rokete, 26 Jun 2014 8:02 PM
From: Dominican Republic, (((( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !! ))))

TUPHAITIANAZO, you are the less fortunate !!

Chopo go sell your fake CD's !!

LOL
Written by: ignoranceisbliss, 26 Jun 2014 8:23 PM
From: United States
Rokete,

Go Reed beefore yu kome on here trying to soound edumakated.
Written by: AytiZekle, 26 Jun 2014 9:29 PM
From: Haiti, Haiti reveille toi, Ayti pap mouri

Ignorance is the root of suffering, get a rocket and blow yourself away ROKETE
Sounds KOKETA
Written by: AytiZekle, 26 Jun 2014 9:32 PM
From: Haiti, Haiti reveille toi, Ayti pap mouri
Koketa ,massisi,wannabe ,jerk ... ro-koko-te do yourself a favor blow yourself away
Written by: venganzaderafael, 26 Jun 2014 10:40 PM
From: United States
Ignorant,
What's the matter , Roke is a little too abrasive TO you? You find some similarities in our opinions ? Roke is his own man with his own opinions as am I. If some of our opinions coincide it is because we share the same apprehension and are very aware of the centuries long delusions and aspirations of haitian black supremacists to haitianize the Spanish speaking peoples of the island. May not be the panacea for all Haitians , but for enough of you it still remains as the salvation of your overpopulated "kilombo" to quote our boy.
I, like him will not be intimidated by the PC hypocritical bs and will call a spade a SPADE to the Spade's face.

At least I'm not calling you magilla. I found that quite funny actually. Better to your face than behind your back.

You guys get insulted by Roke's expressions but say nothing when all the "educated" haitian niggras on this sight insult Dominicans in general and insult our women.







Written by: ignoranceisbliss, 26 Jun 2014 10:56 PM
From: United States
There you go with your twisting g of facts to suit your needs. I used to go back and forth with the insults too until I came on here and apologized realizing how stupid I sound after visiting dr for the first time. Like a man. If you think I take rokete seriously take your head out of his anus and come up for some fresh air. The things he says are plain stupid wrong and they show he lacks common sense and basic reading comprehension. Remember opinions are like anuses. It takes a bigger idiot to follow an idiot.
If you think him calling haitians magilla is an insult you're a bigger fool than rokhead.
Btw. I do t think anyone on here would be man enough to insult me to my face. Sorry Charlie not that kind of party. I always say both sides have been brainwashed to keep each other at bay.
Now go mock poor Haitians in dr and in one generation their kids will move up and you'll continue to be drunk by 9 am on presidente and playing dominoes
Written by: venganzaderafael, 26 Jun 2014 11:09 PM
From: United States
And couldn't let this imaginary dribble from haitithebasketcase go unchallenged.

Listen you Haitian Walter Mitty , go talk to your US buddies about those sugarcane commandments. They were the ones that brought the haitian TEMPORARY workers to DR and established their living conditions.

As far as denying them education, that statement is preposterous and ungracious, typical of Haitians, considering the thousands of hatian native students in our country both residing and commuting.



Written by: ignoranceisbliss, 26 Jun 2014 11:16 PM
From: United States
Venga I apologize to you oh great dominican overlord. I am just a haitian from the kilombo of central nj. I will wake up tomorrow and go to work and you'll be doing your eyelashes while driking jack daniels before noon.

Remember you American educated immigrant poor ignorant white trash say the same things about latinos.
You and your kind are the equivalent of ignorant white trash.
I apologize to you again
Written by: airgordo, 26 Jun 2014 11:20 PM
From: Dominican Republic
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Written by: chilliwestaziz
From: Jamaica
Airgordo,

So, are you saying that the Haitians who live in the bateys do not communicate with Dominicans in Spanish or do the Dominicans speak to them in Creole since this is all they know? There may be Air in your name but please do not be a windbag!

Creole can be understood by the people of Dominica, the people of St. Lucia, St. Martin, St. Barts, some communities in Cuba, Martinique, and Guadeloupe.
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I believe my English is good enough for YOU to be able to READ and understand what was written, MUST I REPEAT what i just wrote?? people from Pettion Ville ARE NOT HAITI for you to write here that Haitians handle several languages as a fact...now see how i flush that stupidity that you wrote, ANSWER this:

WHAT is the Illiteracy rate in Haiti?? after you dare to answer that one i will wait for you or anyone that dares to explain here how can somebody that can not deal with their own dialect, dominate another LANGUAGE
Written by: TuPapaupa2014, 26 Jun 2014 11:25 PM
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roketaLaSucia, as always, went: A CORRER FANATICOS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. JAJAJAJAJAJAJA..
Written by: tambora, 26 Jun 2014 11:32 PM
From: United States, Sentencia TC/0168/13 Stands Unrevoked One Year Later! 9/23/2013


@chilliwestaziz

Nou Dominiken pa pale kreyòl Ayisyen.
Written by: TuPapaupa2014, 26 Jun 2014 11:34 PM
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Written by: rokete, 26 Jun 2014 8:02 PM

TUPHAITIANAZO, you are the less fortunate !!

Chopo go sell your fake CD's !!

LOL
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Wooooow, my PET, 3 posts back to back to back to back...........I MUST be doing something right. JAJAJAJAJA.

Look at that, I even made you change your tag line......I have that effect on loooooooooosers. JAJAJAJAJAJA.

WhiteWannabe, I love it that knowing this DOMINICANAAAAAAAAZO is 100 more Dominican than you is making you crazy......what can I say, take it and like it, RATA inmunda. JAJAJAJAJAJA.

Poor barrio CHOPO, please call me TuPaTheHaitianPioPio.....pleeeeeeeeeease.

Btw, send me your address.......I want to send you that $1,000 Dollars I was telling you before......

If you don't want to use it to buy a computer, use it to take your daughter's Haitian man for a few beers. JAJAJAJAJAJAJA.

Te agarro manana, PETporqueria
Written by: rokete, 26 Jun 2014 11:47 PM
From: Dominican Republic, (((( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !! ))))


chopohaitianazo !!!

lololololol
Written by: rokete, 26 Jun 2014 11:47 PM
From: Dominican Republic, (((( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !! ))))

I have started to find your Haitian nonsense amusing !!

HAITIANAZO GO SELL SOME FAKE CD's BY 11 PM,

OR YOU WON'T EAT TONIGHT !!

You are the less fortunate !! JEJEJE


CHOPOHAITIANAZO !!!

LOL
Written by: venganzaderafael, 26 Jun 2014 11:51 PM
From: United States
Iggy , you are one of the few Haitians (or halfhaitian , Dominican-haitian ,?) that doesn't get into generalizations about my people so I haven't had harsh words for you but on few occasions and always in response to a lapse in your non-insulting resolution which you have now violated twice today to me personally.
I don't have the patience for face to face effeminate tirades either Mon Frere. So unless you want to put your resolve to the test let's leave the personal injective out.

I can have a discourse without resorting to personal insults but am intolerant of the gratuitous swipes Haitians living outside my country take at my people.

And know this , all of you , I will discuss any subject in person with anyone , but start throwing insults and be prepare to throw hands. Period.

I think we should all speak to each other as if we were eye to eye. A real man is firm, direct, righteous and most of the time a gentleman save when a punch in the nose is in order.
Written by: rokete, 27 Jun 2014 12:20 AM
From: Dominican Republic, (((( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !! ))))

Ignorante ....

Dude get off you high Haitian imaginary horse,

created by your dilusional grandiosity lies and distortions,

that you and your Haitian negritudes call education !!


Venganza just lightly spit on your face !!

At least he had the decensy to show you undeserving kindness,

with your black racist Afrocentric negritude, with inferiority complex !!

I am selective, and use my education acoording to audience.

For you I am bold and sarcastic as your negritude deserves !!


You know I wont have mercy on your blackness ni@@er boy !!

Dominican progress was planned and executed by white Dominicans !!

Not by black Haitians, we can see the result of an all black society in you Haitian Kilombo !!

So your Haitian negoes from the bateyes, are going nowhere fast !!

Your Haitian negritudes are all culturally backward,

and going nowhere with you jungle mentality !!


HOW MUCH IS THAT GORILLA IN THE WINDOW, NI@@ER BOY ??
Written by: venganzaderafael, 27 Jun 2014 12:23 AM
From: United States
Bottom line fellas, Dominicans , Haitians and pseudo Haitians
is that the children of the original cane cutters are being rightfully accepted as citizens and a way for normal existence is being provided for thousands of other foreigners (mostly Haitians).
Haiti's govt is providing 1/4 of the money given to them for documenting them . it is not up to the DR govt to do this.
Many may fall thru the cracks, especially the criminals and escaped convicts. But we are fine with that.
We cannot continue to support the permanence of all these excess laborers.
Written by: chilliwestaziz, 27 Jun 2014 12:41 AM
From: Jamaica
Airgordo,

My gosh man, are you serious? You know, of all the Haitian hating fairies like Rokete and others, I expected more from you than this. In the past, we have disagreed but there was some inkling of logic to your arguments. But this one is not like you....are you suffering from Chikungunya my dear man?

Illiteracy has to do with one's inability to read or write a language, not speak a language. Didn't you speak words to your mommy as an infant before you knew your A, B, C's? Were you reading at 3 or 4? Come on Airy, please get better soon.
Written by: venganzaderafael, 27 Jun 2014 1:08 AM
From: United States
In other words Airgordo, chili is saying that Haitians can speak French, Spanish as well as patois, but can't read or write any of them.

They are illiterates in three languages.
A triple threat they are.
Written by: rokete, 27 Jun 2014 1:28 AM
From: Dominican Republic, (((( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !! ))))


Chilli ...

Here you go again with you Haitian dilutional grandiosity lies and distortion !!

Get yourself a good psycriatrist !!

Assholes like Ignorance, josehaitiano and Gomezmierda,

are the kind of Afrocentric Haitians that upset me.

Always bashing everything Dominican,

and pulling of the race card with your black inferiority complex !


I use my education selectively and according to audience !!!


Zooma and dontbehaitian, are about the only Haitians in this forum I respect,

Even though we deffer in opinions they are reasonable, and don't bash our country !


As for you, you are too freacking biased, and sometimes a subtle hypocrite like dreadlocks !!

But still with you racist black afrocentric agenda, with your inferiority complex !!


GET OVER YOUR NEGRITUDE, SLAVERY HAS ENDED (Exept in Haiti ) !!!

STOP LIVING IN THE PAST !!
Written by: ignoranceisbliss, 27 Jun 2014 5:01 AM
From: United States
Where is petionville located? Alaska.
When you talk about subject you know nothing about and repeat another person lies it makes you a fool. Sorry man.
Ask generoso who speak creole if he can communicate with anyone from the other creole speaking islands.
Rokete ny passed a new law where illegals can get Id cards now. Congrats
Venga,

Talking kaka and twisting facts name calling on the interweb doesn't make you a man it makes you a coward. If you're not man enough to say your crap in person it makes you a coward.
Btw you guys sound like Sarah Palin. So no more answer from me. I can't argue with an imbecile mes me the bigger imbecile. I'm haitian ok
Written by: josean, 27 Jun 2014 5:53 AM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016


"and pulling of the race card"

......not only do you use your "education selectively" but it appears use English grammar selectively as well!!!!!!


"the kind of Afrocentric Haitians that upset me."


does that include Cardenal Nicolás de Jesús López Rodríguez who took a very hot steamy stinky SHIT on your Stupid Magic Border Wall idea!




Written by: IloveDR, 27 Jun 2014 9:04 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
That's around 20 million US dollars : )

I'm pretty sure the dirty currupt Haitianito government that steal from their people 10x more can afford all of this and more :D
Written by: tambora, 27 Jun 2014 9:06 AM
From: United States, Sentencia TC/0168/13 Stands Unrevoked One Year Later! 9/23/2013

@ignoranceisbliss

New York is also the same state that STRUCK DOWN a vote on the NYS DREAM Act to allow illegals financial aid for college.

P.S. Many here like to allude to illegal Dominican immigrants. While some do exist, DR is not the country that produces a lot of the illegal immigration to the United States.


That NYC ID card will likely have the effect of identifying the illegals for the government.
Written by: Trinitario809, 27 Jun 2014 10:55 AM
From: Dominican Republic, is not the solution to Haiti's problems !
Fiction:
Written by our Resident troll distorter of truth and hater of everything Dominican,chilliweztaziz.
"The Haitians speak two or three languages. "

Reality:

Haiti is teaching kids in the wrong language ARIKA OKRENT | FEBRUARY 8, 2013
Haiti is beset by crushing poverty, inadequate infrastructure, and dozens of other obstacles preventing kids from getting a good education, prompting several organizations to take steps to eliminate the one obstacle that is easiest to do something about: language.
Though most children in Haiti speak Haitian Creole, the traditional language of education has always been French. While Creole is historically related to French, the structure and vocabulary of the two languages are different enough that they are barely mutually intelligible.
Written by: Trinitario809, 27 Jun 2014 10:57 AM
From: Dominican Republic, is not the solution to Haiti's problems !
As Trenton Daniel explains in this AP article:
French "remains the primary language of instruction in most Haitian classrooms. In fact, less than 10 percent of the country's 10 million people speak French fluently, and in most schools, even the teachers don't understand it very well although they're asked to teach in it."
Why would the educational system be based on a language that neither the teachers nor the students speak very well?
Written by: Trinitario809, 27 Jun 2014 10:58 AM
From: Dominican Republic, is not the solution to Haiti's problems !
Part of the reason is confusion about the nature of Haitian Creole. It seen by many as a broken and deficient form of French, and it is thought that when people use it they are speaking French, just not very well. From this point of view, education is a matter of correcting language, and access to other subjects — reading, math, history — is dependent on first making that correction. What that means in practical terms is that not only do students not learn French very well, they don't get the other subject matter either.
Written by: Trinitario809, 27 Jun 2014 11:00 AM
From: Dominican Republic, is not the solution to Haiti's problems !
The other reason that French has held on as the language of instruction is the inertia of tradition-bound institutions. French was the language of colonial administration and has become the language of the elite in Haiti. If only the elite have access to education, they are well served by French, but if the rest of the country is to have access too, the extra barrier should be removed.
Written by: josean, 27 Jun 2014 11:36 AM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016


'New York is also the same state that "STUCK DOWN" a vote on the NYS DREAM Act to allow illegals financial aid for college.'

For a "native english" speaker you sure write like a tambora ROT-knee..... so josean has "STRUCK" DOWN your cover LIAR!


Written by: tambora, 27 Jun 2014 1:01 PM
From: United States, Sentencia TC/0168/13 Stands Unrevoked One Year Later! 9/23/2013

Thanks. People including me will make the occasional typo. How many times have I corrected your typos on here Josean.

So when you make a typo Josean are you Rokete in disguise? LOL

Josean I know you figured out a long time ago Rokete & I are not the same person. You only say that as weak attempt to try to discredit me.
Written by: tambora, 27 Jun 2014 1:01 PM
From: United States, Sentencia TC/0168/13 Stands Unrevoked One Year Later! 9/23/2013


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Written by: tambora, 27 Jun 2014 1:01 PM
From: United States, Sentencia TC/0168/13 Stands Unrevoked One Year Later! 9/23/2013


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Written by: tambora, 27 Jun 2014 1:01 PM
From: United States, Sentencia TC/0168/13 Stands Unrevoked One Year Later! 9/23/2013


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Written by: chilliwestaziz, 27 Jun 2014 1:14 PM
From: Jamaica
Trini,

Some very good points, however biased. I have been to Haiti several times and I can tell you, as a first hand observer, many many poor Haitians read their newspaper that is written in French. Televised news casts are delivered in French and even the poor illiterates understand the topics.

Look, one thing is for certain, stop 9 out of 10 Haitians in your bateys and speak to them in Spanish. I am sure that they will understand you and be fully capable of communicating with you in Spanish. I was amazed when I went to Haiti that the poorest kids could hold conversations with me in English. That is probably why many Haitians find jobs in your Bavarro and Punta Cana hotels and your call centers have many Haitians working there.

We have Dominicans here in Jamaica who have been here for 20 years or more who cannot hold an English conversation with a parrot. I am not sure that the educational system in the DR is superior to that of Haiti.
Written by: tambora, 27 Jun 2014 1:22 PM
From: United States, Sentencia TC/0168/13 Stands Unrevoked One Year Later! 9/23/2013
Chili:

Since DR's educational system is so "poor" it is amazing that DR's economy is better than that of Haiti. (Sarcasm).
Written by: chilliwestaziz, 27 Jun 2014 1:24 PM
From: Jamaica
I think what is happening here is that you continue to make the point that I cannot compare rich Haitians (and the languages they speak) to the poor Haitians. If you are correct, then you should not compare yourselves to the millions of Dominicans who came out of those blue uniform schools and who do not speak three words of English. Those poor Dominicans who have never travelled to an English speaking country. I doubt that most of you came out of those smurfy blue schools over there. If we are not going to compare apples to oranges, please do not compare yourselves to blue berries.
Written by: chilliwestaziz, 27 Jun 2014 1:27 PM
From: Jamaica
Tambora,

Respectfully, the DR did not have an indemnity that crushed their economy.. The DR has always been a beneficiary of the efforts of those who sacrificed themselves and their existence for others. Haiti paid a price that you benefited from.
Written by: josean, 27 Jun 2014 1:28 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016




josean's exposing tambora ROT-knee made her/ him so nervous she/he posted the same defensive nonsense 4 times having to edit 3.........another flaw indicator proof positive that he/she is one in the same.........as she/he is prone to do the same when he starts to sweat with fear.....



Written by: Lautaro, 27 Jun 2014 1:31 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Bring DT Forum Back
"I am not sure that the educational system in the DR is superior to that of Haiti."

If that educational system there is so superior, then why cross the border to attend school here? Wouldn't they be better served in the "superior" educational system?
Written by: tambora, 27 Jun 2014 1:32 PM
From: United States, Sentencia TC/0168/13 Stands Unrevoked One Year Later! 9/23/2013

Negative. My connection via my iPad got interrupted and I could not see the comment had been posted.

Why don't you just ask the EDITOR who I am sure can easily verify that I have one account. I wonder what would happen if the EDITOR checked Josean out.

P.S. It is very strange behavior to refer to oneself in third person.
Written by: Lautaro, 27 Jun 2014 1:34 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Bring DT Forum Back
"Haiti paid a price that you benefited from."

Yes, but not in the way you're probably imagining it. This country benefitted in the sense that it became a recipient, along with Cuba and Puerto Rico, of the foreign investments that Haiti refused in order to "sustain their independence". Perhaps they would have managed to accomplish that had they not being foolish enough to saddle themselves with that crushing indemnity, but this probability would have been a very tall order in and on itself, since they basically killed off or exiled the governing cadres that could have probably righted the ship, and the ones that remained basically lacked the knowledge/skills or even the political will to pull a miracle out of thin air. The other mistake they did was to divide the large properties/plantations into so many little pieces, cuz' as experience have shown in other parts of the world (notably in the Americas, Perú) you can't get development out of a subsistence economy.
Written by: josean, 27 Jun 2014 1:54 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016



...........boy/girl....... does tamora ROT-knee get up set when josean rattles his/her cage!




Written by: chilliwestaziz, 27 Jun 2014 2:05 PM
From: Jamaica
If that educational system there is so superior, then why cross the border to attend school here? Wouldn't they be better served in the "superior" educational system? -Lautaro

I am guessing that most kids travel with their parents. The parents are looking for better pay and the kids are not too far behind. Would your folks have left you behind?
Written by: Lautaro, 27 Jun 2014 2:12 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Bring DT Forum Back
"I am guessing that most kids travel with their parents. The parents are looking for better pay and the kids are not too far behind. Would your folks have left you behind?"

I'm talking about the ones that live in the Haitian side of the border, but regularly cross to study and then get back home in the evening. Again, if the Haitian educational system is so superior, why bother crossing to a side where you'll get harassed by the security forces? It makes no sense. My guess is that the answer is the same one that explains why Anse-a-Pitre remains being a dusty hovel while Pedernales looks like a progressive hub in comparison (as backward as the latter is in comparison with other parts of the country), yet you'd die first before you get to concede superiority of any kind whatsoever to this country, as troubled and undeveloped as it is.
Written by: Trinitario809, 27 Jun 2014 2:20 PM
From: Dominican Republic, is not the solution to Haiti's problems !
Chilli:
What about the students that cross daily to get educated in DR to then return back home?
Written by: Lautaro, 27 Jun 2014 2:30 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Bring DT Forum Back
What about the students that cross daily to get educated in DR to then return back home?

I already asked the question, Trini. And my answer to his earlier point is that true superiority is only attained when quantity is also coupled with quality. I will give it to him that the Haitian education system, at least in its upper echelons, is truly top notch, but this remains being a moot point when that system only remains available to a selected few (5% of the pop. according to some intl. agencies) while the vast mass remains in utter darkness.

As pertain us, this country have been making efforts at the mass part, but it's only recently that efforts are being made to truly attain the quality part outside the elite circles (INTEC, UNIBE, PUCMM, etc.).
Written by: ignoranceisbliss, 27 Jun 2014 2:58 PM
From: United States
Chili,

Stop saying anything positive about haiti and haitians. You'll be called a haitian again as if it's some sort of profanity.
Trini,

Like rokete at a bey at you cut and paste without doing your own research. People much smarter than you and me in this field found its easier to teach someone to read In a language they speak. Then you can teach them to read in other languages.
Written by: chilliwestaziz, 27 Jun 2014 3:16 PM
From: Jamaica
I am my own man. Nobody tells me who to support. If you want to consider me Haitian, please go ahead. You would be adding one more educated person to their group.

When I was younger, I was told to become a doctor, lawyer, or an engineer. I actually became two of the three. Doctor is not one of them. We Haitians are pretty progressive, wouldn't you say?
Written by: TuPapaupa2014, 27 Jun 2014 6:12 PM
From: United States, (((((roketa + blue105 + borderwall = SAME POSTER..BUSTED!!!. JAJAJAJAJA!)))))
by: rokete, 27 Jun 2014 1:28

Chilli ...

Here you go again with you Haitian dilutional grandiosity lies and distortion !!

Get yourself a good psycriatrist !!

Assholes like Ignorance, josehaitiano and Gomezmierda,

are the kind of Afrocentric Haitians that upset me.

Always bashing everything Dominican,

and pulling of the race card with your black inferiority complex !

I use my education selectively and according to audience !!!

Zooma and dontbehaitian, are about the only Haitians in this forum I respect,

Even though we deffer in opinions they are reasonable, and don't bash our country !

As for you, you are too freacking biased, and sometimes a subtle hypocrite like dreadlocks !!

But still with you racist black afrocentric agenda, with your inferiority complex !!

GET OVER YOUR NEGRITUDE, SLAVERY HAS ENDED (Exept in Haiti ) !!!

STOP LIVING IN THE PAST !!
=======

roketa, you didn't mention this "Haitiano".....hitting the bottle so early, PET?
Written by: Trinitario809, 27 Jun 2014 6:55 PM
From: Dominican Republic, is not the solution to Haiti's problems !

Ignorant, I've already did my research.

Go ahead, post yours.
Written by: josean, 27 Jun 2014 7:29 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016

Speaking of Problems with Ids!



Breaking .......NEWS>>>>>>>>>>>


............No this can't be true she's gotta be a Haitian woman passing as a Dominican!


NEW YORK CRIME

June 27, 2014 6:22 PM

Assemblywoman Pleads Guilty To Marriage Fraud, Resigns

Gabriela Rosa Said She Married A Man To Get U.S. Citizenship

By Sean Gardiner And Joe Jackson

Assemblywoman Pleads Guilty To Marriage Fraud, Resigns

The first Dominican woman to be elected to the New York state Assembly pleaded guilty Friday to committing marriage fraud 18 years ago to become a U.S. citizen.

Written by: generoso, 27 Jun 2014 8:58 PM
From: Dominican Republic, +Sorry, No Habla Stupid+

joseanus is basking in delight, of the negative news that involved Dominicans.

And you wonder why, you are constantly being accused to be a detractor of the DR, its institutions, governments, people and ruminate daily, the "anti-christ" features of constant fault finding, and want to fool us and deny being a Haitiano?

Is there anything good in the DR, or Dominicans that you praise?, outside of your mentor Guillermo Morales, Mr. Three and one votes.
Written by: josean, 27 Jun 2014 9:20 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016


So we are better Dominicans by protecting the criminals among us?


.......the true strong civilized societies and communities are the first ones to criticize and expunge their own because that's how we are truly admired by others.......

aren't we constantly asking the Catholic Church to expose, try and convict their pedophile priests........are those Catholics who do anti Catholics or less of a Catholic than those who choose to keep silent.......

...are we dominicans so weak and thin-skinned that we must constantly be on the defensive by defending the indefensible behavior of our corrupt politicians whether it be in our own country or those that use our nationality to get our votes and then end up embarrassing and betray us......because of a distorted view what true nationalistic pride should be........


Written by: josean, 27 Jun 2014 9:27 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
PS

Thank you for proving my point:


Written by: generoso, 27 Jun 2014 9:23 PM

From: Dominican Republic, ****Raise your words, not your voice. Rain grows food, not thunder.****


The infatuation of homosexual Catholic priests with young boys, is surely pathological, but must be punished.
The vatican and the cardinal, have gone out of their way, to protect "their own", for their dogmatic belief system that in their "good old boys club", like cops, they must look out for each other, even if they are wrong.
This set a persistent bad example of immunity for the "not so holy".

The pedophile must be tried in a court of law, outside of his "good old boy network", condemned if proven guilty, sentenced, imprisoned and publicly chastised, as a warning and example to other potential felons, that remain undiscovered.

Written by: tambora, 27 Jun 2014 9:34 PM
From: United States, Sentencia TC/0168/13 Stands Unrevoked One Year Later! 9/23/2013
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Written by: generoso, 27 Jun 2014 9:35 PM
From: Dominican Republic, +Sorry, No Habla Stupid+
josean

You are quick to condemn others, much like a follower of the famous Torquemada, of the Spanish inquisition.

In your passion to be right, and to raise your voice for wrongdoing, there is also the possibility of "desperate circumstances". Like in the play "Les Miserables" that condemned a poor hungry man, for stealing a loaf of bread.
I feel sorry for the woman in question, because in her desperation to become a citizen she broke the law, and committed fraud as it stands presently. But there are also unjust laws, and laws that where enacted to protect the evil doers, and political vampires of this capitalistic society.
What this woman did 18 years ago, was wrong, but her whole actions and life thereafter, must also be weighed in the balance of good and evil, and we must not be the first to throw stones at her, which may seem like we are delighted of her disgrace.
Written by: daswolfgang, 27 Jun 2014 9:37 PM
From: United States, north hills ,NY
rest in peace to leslie manigat
Written by: josean, 27 Jun 2014 9:56 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016


I have no problem with being compassionate, forgiving or believing in the redemption...... as long as its not selective and is equal and across the board......like for instance for Dominicans of Haitian ancestry who are being denied their nationality for the only mistake of not having chosen their parents before they were born.......... and because of "unjust laws, and laws that where enacted to protect the evil doers, and political vampires of this capitalistic society."


......my issue with this misguided sister is that she knew she was not on the up an up when she decided to run not once but twice for the Assembly seat of which she was successful on her second bid......meaning she had time for reflection between the first and second runs but her greed and blind ambition probably denied the opportunity to another brother or sister who did not have the problem she has and would not have embarrassed our community.....

Written by: chilliwestaziz, 27 Jun 2014 10:27 PM
From: Jamaica
Perhaps Haiti has a lack of schools of their own near the borders. I am guessing that this is the reason Haitians cross over to attend Dominican schools. Perhaps the Haitians on this thread can explain why. My first question is, how are they able to register?
Written by: guillermone, 27 Jun 2014 10:42 PM
From: United States, Bring Back DT Forum

Written by: chilliwestaziz, 27 Jun 2014 1:14 PM
From: Jamaica

Trini,

We have Dominicans here in Jamaica who have been here for 20 years or more who cannot hold an English conversation with a parrot. I am not sure that the educational system in the DR is superior to that of Haiti.
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Yeah, ya right.............you can tell by the way all of the Dominican posters here on this site are having a hell of a challenge with the Inglis language..........including myself.
Written by: josean, 27 Jun 2014 11:40 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016


The more you peel the onion the more you cry!


In addition, the state assemblyman pleaded guilty today to one charge of fraud for lying to a bankruptcy court on their property and income. According to the prosecution, Rosa came in September 2009 to the court to settle $ 30,000 in debt that accumulated charges credit cards and personal loans, among other things.

However, during the process she did not declare an apartment she owened in Manhattan or extra income she earned as a political consultant as a legislative assistant a position she held at the time, or earnings of her husband. Rosa, 47, holds a seat on the New York State Assembly since 2012, representing a district that includes uptown Washington Heights, Inwood and Marble Hill.


Written by: rokete, 28 Jun 2014 1:41 AM
From: Dominican Republic, (((( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !! ))))

That is why he will be Jose - haitiano forever !!

Haitiano grajoso !!
Written by: rokete, 28 Jun 2014 1:47 AM
From: Dominican Republic, (((( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !! ))))


Chilli

The more I read your comments, the more of a stupid fool you make of yourself, as an afrocentric negritude !

Dumbo, why do the Haitian elite send their kids to study at our Dominican schools and Universities, if as you say, "they have better education in the Haitian Kilombo"?

Sometime ago, I though some of you Haitians here, including you, trying to pose as a Jamaican, were simply confuse. But now I Know for a fact that you are a whole bunch of SOB's.

Haiti is a latrine in all aspects the word, and the Dominican Republic is superior to Haiti and Haitians in all aspects specially education.

Ni@@er, Haiti has a 53% of literacy rate !! How can you compare that to the 91% literacy rate in the Dominican Republic?

We are above and beyond Jamaica also, which has an 87% of literacy rate. Lower than that of the Dominican Republic.

See how stupid you look.

Dominicana is an education super power !

Because, our education is better !
Written by: josean, 28 Jun 2014 7:12 AM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016





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Written by: tambora, 28 Jun 2014 8:27 AM
From: United States, Sentencia TC/0168/13 Stands Unrevoked One Year Later! 9/23/2013



Josean said:

"However, during the process she did not declare an apartment she owened in Manhattan"
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The word is spelled "owned" and not "owened." Josean, you should at least wait 24 hours before making a spelling mistake after correcting my one typo.

Was this a typo? Or was Josean posting as Rokete? Ja, ja, ja!
Written by: tambora, 28 Jun 2014 8:39 AM
From: United States, Sentencia TC/0168/13 Stands Unrevoked One Year Later! 9/23/2013



Chili:

It is true that many Haitians come to the Dominican Republic to study. DR gives many visas to Haitians for study in the country. The elites go there for higher education (not just elementary school).

I recall my cousin mentioning that he had a few Haitian classmates in medical school. And my aunt (a professor) had Haitian students in her class at Pontificia Universidad Católica Madre y Maestra.

As for those elementary school students that live in Haiti and cross over daily to attend school in DR, I would imagine it is easy for them to register. Illegals are not prevented from attending public schools in DR. (And yes I realize these are technically not illegal aliens as they reside in Haiti). However, if the illegals are not stopped, I don't see why these other children would be stopped either.
Written by: josean, 28 Jun 2014 8:40 AM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016


If the best you got is picking up spelling mistake from a quoted as is sentence, it means your not getting enough penis tambora ROT-knee!

The orginal writer must be a native english speaker like you!


Written by: tambora, 28 Jun 2014 9:53 AM
From: United States, Sentencia TC/0168/13 Stands Unrevoked One Year Later! 9/23/2013


Josean:

I catch your spelling mistakes often. It will not be long before you make another one. The majority of the time I do not bother pointing it out.

I know when Josean esta quillao when he resorts to immediate vulgarity.

When quoting a sentence that has a spelling error, the proper format is as follows:

"However, during the process she did not declare an apartment she owened (sic) in
Manhattan . . . ."

(Note: I would normally put "sic" into brackets but this website does not allow it).

Written by: josean, 28 Jun 2014 9:59 AM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016



You see how stupid you feel ASS-uming the sentence was originally of my authorship.

tambora ROT-knee you need to get laid even if it is not with a native speaker of the King's English!


Written by: TuPapaupa2014, 28 Jun 2014 10:43 AM
From: United States, (((((roketa + blue105 + borderwall = SAME POSTER..BUSTED!!!. JAJAJAJAJA!)))))


Written by: rokete, 28 Jun 2014 1:47 AM

Dominicana is an education super power !

Because, our education is better !
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YOU, the ignoramus with the biggest "ears" calling someone "Dumbo"?.

If "Dominicana is an education super power!" how come you didn't take advantage of what the schools had to offer?.

I mean, after all, you "sound" and write like a person who never went to school.

Don't get me wrong, PET, I am faaaaaaaaaaaaar from writing perfect English or Spanish, but compared to you, carajito inexperto, I am a Catedratico.

Stick to what you know.........NOTHING.
Written by: tambora, 28 Jun 2014 12:43 PM
From: United States, Sentencia TC/0168/13 Stands Unrevoked One Year Later! 9/23/2013


@Josean

There is nothing to feel stupid about since you do make spelling mistakes often and I have corrected you before. It was not the first nor will it be the last time.

And speaking of ASSuming, it was you who ASSumed I did not know about patois. Bumboclaat!
Written by: TuPapaupa2014, 28 Jun 2014 1:26 PM
From: United States, (((((roketa + blue105 + borderwall = SAME POSTER..BUSTED!!!. JAJAJAJAJA!)))))


Joseaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan, I will be Missing In Action for a few days.......going to Europe.

Do me a favor, take care of my property, roketa......make sure he behaves.....you know what to do when he start acting like the ignoramus that he is....you have my PERMISSION to biach slap him around.

roketaThBarrioCHOPO is a nobody so make sure you slap him hard......make MY PET bounce off the walls like I make him do all the time.

ABUUUUUUUUUUUULLLLLLLLLLL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.

Written by: josean, 28 Jun 2014 2:12 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016



"And speaking of ASSuming, it was you who ASSumed I did not know about patois. Bumboclaat!"


..............imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.....................



Written by: generoso, 28 Jun 2014 2:30 PM
From: Dominican Republic, +Sorry, No Habla Stupid+

The DR educational system, does not require documentation up to the eight grade. I could be mistaken since rules change in DR, upon the whim of whomever is in charge. So the Haitian children, are provided their free education, plus breakfast and lunch.

PS: Guys please try to keep the postings in DT clean of foul language, insults, and ad hominems, and behave like adults.
Is it sad to see some of the messages being posted, by supposedly adults, that abuse their freedom of immediate posting, without censorship. If this keeps up, one day not too far, all the messages will go through a filter, and may never be published, like in other publications.
Yes this includes you josean, since by the amount of your daily ruminations, should know better, especially dealing with females, that deserve more respect.
Written by: Lautaro, 28 Jun 2014 3:04 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Bring DT Forum Back
"The DR educational system, does not require documentation up to the eight grade. I could be mistaken since rules change in DR, upon the whim of whomever is in charge. So the Haitian children, are provided their free education, plus breakfast and lunch."

The policy was taken up to the twelfth grade, general, so that one only needs documents if one wants to attend college. The generous policy was in place ever since 2003, when Milagros Ortiz Bosch was the Minister of the Education.
Written by: tambora, 28 Jun 2014 3:09 PM
From: United States, Sentencia TC/0168/13 Stands Unrevoked One Year Later! 9/23/2013




Written by: josean, 28 Jun 2014 2:24 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016


"Then I would have a better impression of guilt versus selective enforcement."

..........it's going to be hard to argue selective enforcement with a Democrat elected official from a Democratic state with a Democrat governor being prosecuted buy a Justice Department led by attorney general appointed by a Democratic administration...........

.......that dog ain't going to hunt!
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The correct spelling is "by" and not "buy." Like I said before you make spelling mistakes often!
Written by: tambora, 28 Jun 2014 3:13 PM
From: United States, Sentencia TC/0168/13 Stands Unrevoked One Year Later! 9/23/2013


Gracias Generoso. Spoken like a true Dominican gentleman. Glad to know DT has some REAL Dominican men as members. :)
Written by: josean, 28 Jun 2014 4:32 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016




tambora ROT-knee is not femail!






Written by: generoso, 28 Jun 2014 4:46 PM
From: Dominican Republic, +Sorry, No Habla Stupid+
Lautaro

Thanks for the clarification, so our educational policy is even more generous than what I published, and the Haitian children, are under our educational budget and umbrella, up to the 12 TH grade. Many of these poor kids, attend school and receive their breakfast and lunches, provided by the DR government, as the only meals they will have all day. Doesn't matter if nobody ever recognize or commends the DR, because one day these children will remember.

PS: I always liked and admired Doña Milagros, before and after her being a VP and minister of education. Before she lost the PRD primaries to Hipoloco, I was hoping she could have been elected candidate for the PRD, she would have been eons better than Hipoloco the clown.

Written by: generoso, 28 Jun 2014 4:50 PM
From: Dominican Republic, +Sorry, No Habla Stupid+
tambora

No need to thank me, but you are welcome!
If you could delete, the message in your signature that you make re josean, which is really not based on factual proof, just speculation, and could be regarded as insulting. Could be a step towards better relations.
Written by: josean, 28 Jun 2014 5:13 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016




Professor once again you demonstrate the precision of the White Death!


Written by: guillermone, 28 Jun 2014 9:11 PM
From: United States, Bring Back DT Forum
Coast Guard rescues 21 Haitians migrants

The US Govt decision to allow Haitians to stay if they reach the US has turned into a nightmare for DR Navy and US Coast Guard. The policy is encouraging more Haitians to risk the dangerous sea route and migrate to Pto Rico. The US Coast Guard announced 21 Haitian migrants were rescued when their boat capsized

On 6/22 the US Coast Guard helicopter detected a smuggling vessel 27 nautical miles west of Mona Island. The Coast Guard Cutter Key Largo was sent to intersect the vessel and Customs aircraft was launched to assist. The suspected smugglers noticed they were being followed and to avoid law enforcement forced migrants overboard from an already unseaworthy vessel and it capsized. The crew of the Key Largo recovered 19 Haitians/2 DR nationals and dead Haitian man. On 6/24 the Coast Guard Cutter returned the migrants to La Romana. The smugglers were delivered to law enforcement in Pto Rico-

wxw.uscgnews.com/go/doc/4007/2186429
Written by: airgordo, 29 Jun 2014 2:27 AM
From: Dominican Republic
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Written by: chilliwestaziz, 27 Jun 2014 12:41 AM
From: Jamaica
Airgordo,

My gosh man, are you serious? You know, of all the Haitian hating fairies like Rokete and others, I expected more from you than this. In the past, we have disagreed but there was some inkling of logic to your arguments. But this one is not like you....are you suffering from Chikungunya my dear man?

Illiteracy has to do with one's inability to read or write a language, not speak a language. Didn't you speak words to your mommy as an infant before you knew your A, B, C's? Were you reading at 3 or 4? Come on Airy, please get better soon.
##

THIS is what YOU wrote:

"The Haitians speak two or three languages. How many do most Dominicans speak?"

This is going to be the THIRD TIME that i write here that the ELITE from PETION VILLE is NOT Haiti...what percentage of haitians fully Understand something else than CREOLE?? do you dare to post that figure here?
Written by: airgordo, 29 Jun 2014 2:28 AM
From: Dominican Republic
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Written by: venganzaderafael, 27 Jun 2014 1:08 AM
From: United States
In other words Airgordo, chili is saying that Haitians can speak French, Spanish as well as patois, but can't read or write any of them.

They are illiterates in three languages.
A triple threat they are.
##

I will give him that one LOL
Written by: airgordo, 29 Jun 2014 2:35 AM
From: Dominican Republic
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Written by: Trinitario809, 27 Jun 2014 10:57 AM
From: Dominican Republic, is not the solution to Haiti's problems !
As Trenton Daniel explains in this AP article:
French "remains the primary language of instruction in most Haitian classrooms. In fact, less than 10 percent of the country's 10 million people speak French fluently, and in most schools, even the teachers don't understand it very well although they're asked to teach in it."
Why would the educational system be based on a language that neither the teachers nor the students speak very well?
##

Thanks Trini, THIS IS EXACTLY what i meant when i raised issue with the Jamaican Guy that likes to keep throwing crap to our country using stupid arguments, one has to be "flying HIGH" to post stuff like the "west neighbors speak 3 languages"
Written by: airgordo, 29 Jun 2014 2:51 AM
From: Dominican Republic
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Written by: chilliwestaziz, 27 Jun 2014 1:14 PM
From: Jamaica
Trini,

Look, one thing is for certain, stop 9 out of 10 Haitians in your bateys and speak to them in Spanish. I am sure that they will understand you and be fully capable of communicating with you in Spanish. I was amazed when I went to Haiti that the poorest kids could hold conversations with me in English. That is probably why many Haitians find jobs in your Bavarro and Punta Cana hotels and your call centers have many Haitians working there.

##

YOU just like when people that can use something called BRAIN demolish your stupid arguments here, don't you?? ANSWER THIS:

WHY on the REGULARIZATION PLAN we are NOT seeing that situation that you are talking about?? WHY I have to PAY for TRANSLATORS for the "spanish speaking haitians"?? WHY?

I WILL wait here for an Answer WITH FACTS not your opinion usually pulled out of thin air...remember this, there have been TENS OF THOUSANDS of interviews for the PLAN alr
Written by: airgordo, 29 Jun 2014 3:05 AM
From: Dominican Republic
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Written by: chilliwestaziz, 27 Jun 2014 3:16 PM
From: Jamaica
I am my own man. Nobody tells me who to support. If you want to consider me Haitian, please go ahead. You would be adding one more educated person to their group.

When I was younger, I was told to become a doctor, lawyer, or an engineer. I actually became two of the three. Doctor is not one of them. We Haitians are pretty progressive, wouldn't you say?
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Yeah sure, i can see everyday with my own eyes how progressive you and your kind are...
Written by: airgordo, 29 Jun 2014 3:13 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Written by: josean
From: United States

I have no problem with being compassionate, forgiving or believing in the redemption...as long as its not selective and is equal and across the board...like for instance for Dominicans of Haitian ancestry who are being denied their nationality for the only mistake of not having chosen their parents before they were born..and because of "unjust laws, and laws that where enacted to protect the evil doers, and political vampires of this capitalistic society."

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Actually YOU should be DEFENDING HER the same way YOU defended and praised Haitians that did the same HERE, can you keep some consistency at least??
Written by: airgordo, 29 Jun 2014 3:23 AM
From: Dominican Republic
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Written by: chilliwestaziz, 27 Jun 2014 10:27 PM
From: Jamaica
Perhaps Haiti has a lack of schools of their own near the borders. I am guessing that this is the reason Haitians cross over to attend Dominican schools. Perhaps the Haitians on this thread can explain why. My first question is, how are they able to register?
##

HOW?? they show up there and ask to get admitted, JUST LIKE ANY CHILD FROM the DR, and this happens EVERY DAY on the border towns, I PAY for that, along with FOOD, UNIFORMS, BACKPACKS, SHOES, and other materials that are GIVEN FOR FREE to these children on the border and poorest areas in DR, but don't believe me, use google translator and Find the HAitian Dominican Bashing Newspaper LE NOUVELLISTE and google that for yourself, EVEN THEM admit it...YET we are paid with INGRATITUDE and NAme calling By them and Ignorant people on the subject like yourself... when Jamaica, Caricom, USA, or any other do something similar you will have some bragging right.
Written by: josean, 29 Jun 2014 7:40 AM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016

"Actually YOU should be DEFENDING HER the same way YOU defended and praised Haitians that did the same HERE, can you keep some consistency at least??"


I have never defended the breaking of law by illegal immigrants anywhere in the world.........what I do defend are human beings who were not able to choose their parents before they were born like you did.......whose governments try to be de-NAZIOnalize them anywhere in the world.......and in this case Dominicans of Haitian ancestry.




Capiche distorter!




Written by: tambora, 29 Jun 2014 8:45 AM
From: United States, Sentencia TC/0168/13 Stands Unrevoked One Year Later! 9/23/2013


Proof = "The establishment or refutation of an alleged fact by evidence."

Circumstantial evidence = "Evidence based on inference and not on personal knowledge or observation. Also termed indirect evidence."
-Black's Law Dictionary


Motion denied.
Written by: rokete, 29 Jun 2014 12:21 PM
From: Dominican Republic, (((( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !! ))))

Tambora ....

IRREVOCABLE AND DEFINITIVE !!!

For that Haitian racist black Afrocentric negritude !!!
Written by: rokete, 29 Jun 2014 12:22 PM
From: Dominican Republic, (((( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !! ))))

Tambora ....

IRREVOCABLE AND DEFINITIVE !!!

For that Haitian racist black Afrocentric negritude !!!
Written by: rokete, 29 Jun 2014 12:22 PM
From: Dominican Republic, (((( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !! ))))

Tambora ....

IRREVOCABLE AND DEFINITIVE !!!

For that Haitian racist black Afrocentric negritude !!!
Written by: josean, 29 Jun 2014 7:41 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016



josean makes tambora ROT-knee so nervous she/he posts in triplicate to answer himself/herself!



Written by: airgordo, 29 Jun 2014 7:44 PM
From: Dominican Republic
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Written by: josean, 29 Jun 2014 7:40 AM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016

"Actually YOU should be DEFENDING HER the same way YOU defended and praised Haitians that did the same HERE, can you keep some consistency at least??"


I have never defended the breaking of law by illegal immigrants anywhere in the world.........what I do defend are human beings who were not able to choose their parents before they were born like you did.......whose governments try to be de-NAZIOnalize them anywhere in the world.......and in this case Dominicans of Haitian ancestry.

Capiche distorter!
##

REALLY?? so if someone has been wrongfully inscribed in the civil registry based on FRAUD you will SUPPORT that whatever papers this individual has are REVOKED??

CAN I HAVE that answer here on black and white??
Written by: josean, 29 Jun 2014 8:58 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016


Whoever has committed FRAUD should be tryed and if they are convicted deported ASAP.

In should also include penalties for all those who aided and abetted in the process!




Written by: rokete, 30 Jun 2014 11:27 PM
From: Dominican Republic, (((( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !! ))))


Written by: danny00,
From: United States, Old Westbury Long Island
News flash~~~~~~CHARLIE WINS IN NEW YORK. AS I SAID the DAY HES A WAR HERO.... Maybe later for the DOMINICAN
SORRY ROKETE. .... Maybe the Voters in New York saw a DOMINICAN WHO IS COLOR BLIND. MAYBE THEY SEE THE DR AS A RACISTS COUNTRY? I don't know do u.
__________


No Danny @@ ....

The most racist country on earth,

is the Haitian racist black afrocentric Kilombo !


The only country on earth,

that I can recall, where being black,

is a prerequisite to citizenship,

written in the constitution !


Back to your all black Haitian racist afrocentric kilombo,

with your despicable negritude !

Now we all know, who the real racists are !


HAITIANS OFF COURSE !

STILL HOLDING 500,000 RESTABECKS SLAVES !

AND 2,000,000 MILLION ADULT SLAVES IN HAITI !

HAITI HAS THE SECOND HIGHEST NUMBER OF SLAVES IN THE WORLD !

STILL, IN THE 21 ST CENTURY !


HYPOCRITE NI@@ER !
Written by: josean, 30 Jun 2014 11:38 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016





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Written by: rokete, 30 Jun 2014 11:41 PM
From: Dominican Republic, (((( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !! ))))


i have your negritude reduced to cero ( 0 ) !!!
Written by: josean, 30 Jun 2014 11:44 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016




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Written by: ignoranceisbliss, 1 Jul 2014 6:15 AM
From: United States
Rockhead,

Take your meds chicken little take your meds. better yet smoke crack. Wait I forgot try meth instead. It would mellow you out
Written by: josean, 1 Jul 2014 6:49 AM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016

They heard the UN is going to provide some money.......... so Roberto begins to cry for money......must be time for a new Lincoln!


Google:

La Junta Central Electoral, sin recursos para la regularización y la cedulación

The Central Electoral Board, without resources for the regularization and identity cards


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