The suspended player tried to "attack" the umpire and his team forfeited in protest because he was reprimanded for his actions. Should the player have instead recieved a citation or award for his violent conduct? Embarrassing!!

The sky IS falling. The inmates are now running the asylum.

This is sad. The guy attacks the umpire. Gets what is coming to him. Now the rest of the team goes on strike and everyone backs off like it never happened. Sad...

El Pais de las Maravillas.....todo es posible

The really sad thing is that the young, who worship these ballplayers, learn a really important life lesson. To wit; If you don't like the decision of a supervisor, attack him physically, and if he retaliates, attack again using everyone you know and everything that you can, no matter who may wind up getting hurt by your action.

The inmates have been running this asylum for many many years...

DT.com this is one story where more detail is definitely necessary.

Oh! well the Tigers are going to win with or without a forfeit. Go TIGERS!!!!

Man.... I can't believe it, if there was one place which Dominicans displayed a real sense of civility, sportmanship and teamwork was in the area of baseball. What disappointment it was for me to know that Felix Martinez actually tried to physically attack the chief umpire. I really thought we Dominicans were so far advanced when compared to the violence of other sports, such as soccer games. It is one thing is to see a player become unruly, but it is another to see a whole team approve and support violence from another team mate; regardless of who was at fault, violence in sports is really appalling to me.

I have not been around for a long time, but it is refreshing to see that DT.com is still going strong. My salute goes out to the editors and all the people that make this great source of news possible. As far as the incident above, this is not new to the dominican indiosincracies and way of life. You can just compare this to the behavior of going back to the home land for a moth and come back to the work place expecting everyone to understand. The Gigantes' players expect the basebal board to understand Mr. Martinez unruly behavior as a reaction to an unjustice committed. This is how things are in the Island these days a real shame indeed, but true.

dagtan where you been man in the slammer hahaha

WHAT A LOAD OF BS...from what I hear, the player was suspended by the president of the baseball league...This is all about the money, Licey needs to win so that a lot of people make their money on the side...But they have to make it all look like its the player's fault..Let's ask for more details and then we can have the heads roll if they have to..

It is good to see you goulet. Actually was on assignment and I am finally back home. I visited a chic cafe on the colonial plaa for lunch on many ocassions over my stay in the DR. Also, had a few cigars at the cigar shop and was able to even play some domino with the old timers over there. It was fun, except for when my wife and daughter came to spend a week with me and she was not allowed into the colonial church in shorts, she was not a happy camper.

Traditions...you know....next time check into DT while you are in town ...I can practically throw a stone to Parque Colon .....next time

I will try my best. As you might know I am from the Cibao (Santiago) and my wife is from la linea, so we like that climate better than the humid inferno in the capital.

I understand people from Cibao are like that ..I wished I knew more about that part of DR I must make an effort to familiarize myself

Baron GC Muchhausen
I will send you the bus ticket as a donation so you can come to Santiago and educate yourself a needed bit.
Come to the Leon museum and walk the tobacco plantations. See how hard working Dominicans make a living getting their hands dirty and sweating, instead of sitting all day in front of a
computer writing idiotic opinions, philosophizing about imaginary subjects and calling each other names.
Since the bus trip takes over 2 hours to arrive, be sure to bring the gallon jug of cheap wine you drink to quench your thirst as usual.

I have been to Fuentes in the free zone on various occasions moron and have been to the the town of Santiago many times moron and Tamboril to visit my friend Oscar who makes a fine cigar there and assisted in raids on counterfeiters probably like yourself if you ever were anything moron and tobacco I used to purchase the capa from the Perez family in Miami[You have no idea who that is ] for our company and you can still buy the cigar I was involved with how about yours if it existed I Doubt it....I should not mention names with your proclivity to make unsubstantiated charges against people...you're sick quisling

The Dominican League should suspend this team from participating in the league for at lest 3 years
this is soooo embarrassing, this only happen en africa o en santo domingo.

GC, sorry and excuse me for the correction, but it is not the town of Santiago as you call it, but rather the City of Santiago located within the wealthiest per capita region in the DR with a sizable wealthy community composed mainly of "old money." In addition to being an intellectual, educational, and cultural center as well and a population of close to 1 million people (not including the Haitians). Just wanted to make that clear.

guillermone no problem it is a lovely city as well and the ancestral home of Cibaeno and Manhattan two of our most erudite posters...It has been over two years since I was there and enjoyed a lovely lunch at Casa Espana and Camp David on consecutive days I would also look forward to stopping for roast lamb at Tipico Bonao.one of my favorite restaurants on the island whenever I did go to Santiago...It has been some years since I was in the cigar business and our fabrica was located in Santo Domingo one of the few ..We employed 70 rollers at the height of the boom but were diminished to about 8 or 10 thereafter it has been 8 years since I have been directly involved with anything to do with Tobacco but I am still very friendly with my former associates I really would love to become more familiar with the region of Cibao and I am aware of its cultural importance...Living in the Caribbean as long as I have over 30 years I love the idea of going to higher cooler country in the summer

P.S what happened to the Aguilas this year ? I root for the Estrellas thats like being a Cubs fan

Mr Defamator GC
Don't change the subject after you called Santiago "a town". Santiago happens to be a booming city and modern metropolis where most of the real wealth of the country is generated, not just a lot of "government employees" loafing with their "botellas".
You are backpedalling now you bottom feeder, you only insult people repeatedly
with your unsubstantiated remarks, you moronic ignoramus. And Tipico Bonao as the name reads is not in Santiago, it is in Bonao you idiot.
On second thought please stay away from this region, you might infect us all with your bad language, ignorance, hate and stupidity.
And stop spreading all your lies and fantasies, you were never in the cigar business
you Baron Mucnhausen, you were only begging for some free cigars from us and we threw you out for being a fraud, you big pretender.

quisling the last cigar event I had anything to with was the RTDA convention in Orlando many years ago ...you were probably thrown out of our hospitality suite for being an idiot....Do you know what RTDA is? anyway good luck quisling and remember if you live in Santo Domingo you have to go past Bonao to get to the quaint town of Santiago de los Caballeros .....and you quisling are no Caballero

Guys I am not the type that will defend GC , since we have our differences as well. At the same time I must intervene here for a second and bring some people back down to reality. The definition of a city is very different from what we Dominicans see or think it is. For example, Santiago is not a city, but an urban center and yes not a metropolis, not even close. Actually, I dare to think that it will never become a metroplis since it does not have the area and resources to support the inhabitants that habitate in a metropolis. We do not have cities in the Dominican Republic, I do not believe that non of the third nations have a city yet. Even in South America, we only count with two true cities, wich Buenos Aires and Sao Paulo. The cities of the world are such like NYC, London, Paris, Dubai city, Berlin, Brussels, Madrid and maybe a few others. I can not think of any in Italy, because Rome is far from a city in terms of technology and infrastructure. We have urban areas

in the DR, but no cities. I can not believe that I am in some ways supporting GC assertion that Santiago is a "town" I am from Santiago and must agreed with GC on this one. How can you guys objectively call palce that when it rains it flood, has not sophisticated road systems, sustainable eletrical systems, diversed shopping centers, and most of all organized public transit system, a city, not this is far from a city.

where is Ciby when we need him ...not out on the grassy knoll I hope

Written by: dagtan, 25 Jan 2009 10:25 AM
From: United States
Guys I am not the type that will defend GC...............thanks for your support dag

Dagtan-Please, when you make a comparison, compare apples to apples. Ok-How can you compare Santiago, DR with Paris, NY, Bs As, London.-These places are beyond just a city, they are world capitals. If you don't know what is a town, it is principally and in most cases, a type of settlement ranging from a few to several thousand (occasionally hundreds of thousands) inhabitants, although it may be applied loosely even to huge metropolitan areas; the precise meaning varies between countries and is not always a matter of legal definition or otherwise. The bottom line is that the difference between a town and city is a matter of personal interpretation. However, in this case we are talking about cities and towns within the DR. So as far as Santiago and Sto Domingo are concerned, within this context, they both are a metropolis of which Santiago still retains much of a small town feel. And what is a Metropolis? The capital or the largest or most important city of a country, state, or area.

PS- Licey just won !!! DR champions to compete in Mexico for the Caribbean series. It was a total fluke, they won 3 consecutive games without actually completely playing, it was just a matter of luck in their favor, their destiny to win. The score was 4-3 against the Gigantes del Cibao. Las Aguilas were total flakes this year, I just don't understand what happened to them. Anyway, I don't care, I am still 100% Cibaeño y Aguilucho, til the day I die. Just wait til next year.

Celebration very subdued relatively speaking...I think the ugly incident diminished the Title ....what a shame

Yes, GC, I agree, what a shame....

Guillermone, then stop simply giving residential status to places in the DR without notating that it is in relation to the country. You openly said that Santiago was far from a town and that it was a city, well not according to world cities, but according to the national territory of the DR. I am really sick and tire of us (Dominicans) opening our mouths, sounding ignorant and the having to correct ourselves. You made a blanket statement, admit that it was wrong and that you were talking within the context of the DR. It is like when I hear Dominicans say that DR is very than NY, but when I start throwing numbers and statistic about both places, they always say, well it is not fair to compare apples and oranges, well do not make the comparison in the first place. The DR will have difficulty developing a place that could considered a city at the world stage any time soon. Now, Guillermone you might compare DR urban areas with other caribbean urban areas, now that is fair comparison

Please gentleman stop bickering ....It is not like I said a bunch of Goobers and Gomers lived there ...let us just say it is a lovely small city or a lovely big town ...with very nice people

Dagtan, lets keep our differences civil. This is only an intellectual exercise, like a little debate between what is a town and a city. I specifically stated that in the end it was a matter of personal interpretation, definitions can vary from place-to-place, which means we can both be right, depending on how you look at it. If in your opinion you feel that in order for a place to qualify as a city, it must have certain characteristics then so be it. That is fine with me, it is your opinion and as they say you have a right to an opinion. My purpose is not to prove you wrong but to simply express what I believe to be true, plain and simple. My definition of a city is any urban area with close to a million or more inhabitants. A place with that many people no longer qualifies to be a town. But don't believe me, just pick up your dictionary and look up TOWN then you can argue with Mr Webster. Nevertheless, according to City Atlas.com they labeled Sto Dgo 74th Largest Cities of the world

GC- I like the term better "a lovely small city." Dagtan can use a "lovely big town". Each one of us can take our pick and we will both bet happy. It is a matter of terminology and semantics, I guess.
I hope he agrees. However, I doubt it, from his pretentious comments, It does not appear as though he believes that their is anything "lovely" about the DR.

ARRIVA, ARRIVA, ARRIVA, ANDALE y que VIVA SANTIAGO, LAS AGUILAS CIBAEñAS Y LA REPUBLICA DEI CIBAO !!!!!

Guillermone, you are worng on the assertion that I hold a negative view of the DR, for God sake can you take a correction in an objective manner. The definition is about semantics, you are right and when it comes to that, neither Santiago nor Santo Domingo qualifies as a city of metropolis when compare to the cities and metropolies of the world. The definition or site that you posted treats these areas in relation to size and area, that it is the reason why it is ranked 74th, because the data is gathered according to area and land mass. So, yes you are right that Santo Domingo is a city when compare to San Juan, Havana, Kingston and the likes, but if it is compare to Buenos Aires, Sao Paulo or even Caracas, it is an urban center. Again, one other issues that I have with my Dominican brothers, is that when someone correct them about our country, they right away cry out foul and proceed to acuse the person of not liking the country. The bottom line is that if you are Dominican,

you can not be objective when reffering to the motherland. I think that the message from guillermone is that we should stay uneducated and continue to defend or pretend about country status without treating it in an objective manner. It sounds like bad nationalism, I am afraid that we have too much bad nationalism in the DR. Just in case bad nationalism is that in which people are blinded from reasoning due to their unconditional support of their country of origin. The outcome of these type of nationalism is poverty, huge gap between porr and the rich, lack of health facilities, high crime and lack of jobs. Ultra nationalists refuse to see the defects of the motherland, hence not addressing the ply of the people. I for once see both sides and I love Santiago since I was born there and grew up there as well, but just because of that I am not going to become unreasanable and acuse other of not liking the country if try to correct me about something.

But of course if you put NY, London, Paris etc next to any city in the DR it would appears as a town. Even the people of Santo Domingo when they refer to Santiago they call it el campo. To them anybody from el Cibao is a campesino. But it is not a fact, it is simply other peoples perception or a natural human tendency to follow a pecking order. Anyway that is why I refer to the cities you mentioned as world capitals instead of a city, they are beyond just a plain little old city. Because if that was the case then the City of Miami would also be a town. They did not have a subway system, an arts and cultural center until a few years ago. The same would appy to a lot of other cities in the US.The Myan and Aztec civilizations had big cities in its time and later disappeard, but based on your interpretation and by todays standards they would not qualify as cities. So basically what determines who or what is a city is based on the yard stick that is being used to measure it.

You are right on the money when you talk about the yarsdstick illustration. I can now say that we understand each other and have just completed an objective discussion about our country without letting our emotions take over reasoning. Thank you sir for giving me the opportunity to have an objective and intelligent discussion without going for the ' you do not like the DR story when one differ from their point of views'.

I live in Santo Domingo and only sometimes but not often do I think of Cibaenos as jibaritos campesinos Goobers and gomers.....hahahaha

Great dagtan!! I enjoyed our little debate very much and I am glad we came to an understanding.
as for you GC-A mi no me impoita lo que tu diga, yo me voi pa'nueva yoi y no pa la capitai, okai compai

see you next year in El Alto Gilamonster good luck....we can have a coffee at El Malecon

Santiago is a province of the Dominican Republic. Santiago is the heart of the country,Santiago is an intellectual, educational, and cultural center. It is also a major industrial center with the rum, textile, cigarette and cigar industry, which are based there. Shoe manufacturing and leather goods furniture making are an important part of the city's economic life. It is also a major Free Zone center with four important industrial free zones, and an important cement factory. Santiago is home to one of the largest medical centers in the northern region of the country, Hospital Metropilitano De Santiago, which serves all 13 provinces of the El Cibao.
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Also within striking distance there are a good number of pleasant towns, many of which are quite prosperous. Santiago is in the center of the Cibao Valley, the wealthiest region in the DR per capita. Santiago has a sizable wealthy community composed mainly of "old money." It is surrounded by tall mountains which have for years protected it from hurricanes and allows for dense tropical forests to develop on the slopes of such mountains, which are among the highest in the region.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Santiago_Province_(Dominican_Republic).

we don't need capitallenos ..... los que conspiran de que dominan
ustedes todos nos nesezitan .......... LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL LOL...
http://www.dominicantoday.com/dr/....l--North-Coast-Dominican-Republic

Yummy the Aguilas took the gaspipe this year ....Que paso ?

goulet, I don't have an excuse, they flat out stunk, plain and simple.