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Chicago.– Sammy Sosa thinks he and fellow steroid-tainted star Mark McGwire belong in the Hall of Fame, AP reported.

According to the report, Sosa also said the Chicago Cubs should retire his number, and he left open the possibility of running for president of the Dominican Republic during an interview Wednesday on the website Ustream.com.

Sosa was denied entry to the Hall of Fame in their first year of eligibility amid suspicions their accomplishments were boosted by performance-enhancing drugs. McGwire, 10th on the career home run list, received 16.9 percent of the vote on his seventh try, far short of the 75 percent needed for election.

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Written by: generoso, 26 Jan 2013 11:14 AM
From: Dominican Republic, +Sorry, No Habla Stupid+
After this latest round of public statements, Sammy should be tested, for mind altering drug use as well.
Running for president of the DR! What a joke!
Saying that he belongs in the hall of fame, certainly does not help his chances of ever being elected.
When posed the question a more PC answer would have been:
"Whether I belong in the hall of fame, that decision lays in the hands of the sports writers, that may or may not vote for me. But I hope that one day, I might be honored to be included".
But of course, Sammy, is not well advised by professional PR consultants, but instead by a circle of ignorant sycophants, and hanger ons.
Written by: devin11, 26 Jan 2013 11:24 AM
From: United States, The Greatest City
Which synthetic steroids will he use to try and cheat himself into the Dominican Presidency? Sadly, his statements are not as crazy as his white skin, blue eyed transformation.
Written by: Pedrin, 26 Jan 2013 11:30 AM
From: United States
The only hall he should be in is the hall of shame.
Written by: generoso, 26 Jan 2013 11:32 AM
From: Dominican Republic, +Sorry, No Habla Stupid+
devin11
What a huge "faux pas" by Sammy! He keeps putting his foot in his mouth, instead of being humble and laying low, until the dust settles.
See the interview to witness his getting ready, going over and over his looks, and rearranging his shirt and making sure "he looks good".
Written by: synapse, 26 Jan 2013 11:40 AM
From: United States

yes Sammy, you are the poster boy of shame in the Hall of Shame not Fame !

Are you white enough yet? Just keeping putting that bleach cream until you look like Michael Jackson.
Written by: sweetbabyj, 26 Jan 2013 11:46 AM
From: United States
Sammy brought shame to the sport with his cheating including the corked bat. His antics within the club house caused a major rift within the club not only with his extra loud music but his hanger ons dressed in Cubs uniforms. Shame on him and I hope he never gets to nod to become a hall of fame instead a hall of sham-er.
Written by: originalmrb, 26 Jan 2013 11:50 AM
From: Canada, Ontario
Really?!?!?!?

"... not as crazy as his white skin, blue eyed transformation...", "...Are you white enough yet?..."

When did cheating and dishonourable conduct become an issue of skin tone? If these comments were directed from white to some other skin, you guys would be coming un-glued.

What a bunch of hypocrites.

Stay on topic. Crazy and dishonesty have no colour.
Written by: zooma, 26 Jan 2013 11:56 AM
From: United States, and Dominican Republic

Sammy, Lance Armstrong, and all sport celebrities should be aware when you cheat yourself and the public of your true abilities by using performance enhancing drugs you will be denied.

Sammy is betraying a lame sense of entitlement. He is now consuming the fruit of his own bad seed.


Written by: Belly, 26 Jan 2013 12:08 PM
From: United States, Seattle, W.A.
So Sammy cheated by using steroids and having a corked bat then got caught with his pants down and now shamelessly ask to get credit.

I must say his resume for being president of DR is impressive and exactly what we like as president.
Written by: zooma, 26 Jan 2013 12:17 PM
From: United States, and Dominican Republic

Sammy should humble himself.

Sammy is and was aware of MLB rule 21, (Pete Rose rule), section F, Other Misconduct, "practices or conduct not to be in the best interests of Baseball are prohibited and shall be subject to such penalties, including permanent ineligibility, as the facts in the particular case may warrant."

The Hall of Fame committees and voters are sending their message to Sammy.


Written by: devin11, 26 Jan 2013 12:21 PM
From: United States, The Greatest City
Originalmrb,

Sammy Sosa bleached his skin with such tenacity that the completely unnatural result was breathtaking. Look at the online pictures for yourself, this is not the same as simple tanning or grooming to cultivate a make-over. We are talking radical skin bleaching, (ala Michael Jackson), lye era hair straightening techniques and blue contact lenses to complete the self hating transformation. This is CRAZY behavior that is certainly in line with his other delusions, such as Hall of Fame and Presidential aspirations.
Written by: dreadlocks, 26 Jan 2013 12:27 PM
From: United States
says Belly

I must say his resume for being president of DR is impressive and exactly what we like as president

jeez, Belly. that is going to leave a mark. ouch!
Written by: dreadlocks, 26 Jan 2013 12:31 PM
From: United States
aw, come on now, Devin. blue contact lenses? you are kidding, right? by the way; it is always a pleasure hearing from you. that goes for you, too, Belly
Written by: Ricardolito, 26 Jan 2013 12:52 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Zona Colonial
I have met the entourage of dear Sammy and actually Sammy himself . As generoso has said ,his group of hanger oners are a joke and it is really sad that he did not have some good managementteam to guide him. I met him once at a lunch where he was with another great Dominican player, and the large number of gold chains around their massive necks and arms looked so extraordinary that I thought they were dressed in drag
Written by: generoso, 26 Jan 2013 12:53 PM
From: Dominican Republic, +Sorry, No Habla Stupid+
After all has been said and done, what can you expect from a has been sports celebrity, that employs an ex-money changer to be his DR business manager?
Written by: Ricardolito, 26 Jan 2013 1:01 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Zona Colonial
And what now has happened to George Bell who suffered at the hands of is management ??I have not seen him around for some years
Written by: generoso, 26 Jan 2013 1:05 PM
From: Dominican Republic, +Sorry, No Habla Stupid+
Ricardolito
Once a tiguere, always a tiguerazo. Moneys just augments the bling, surrounds them with toys, but the gray matter stays the same.
Written by: earthy, 26 Jan 2013 2:21 PM
From: United States, New Jersey
Really sad to see al theses guy"s fall...But the leage knew what was going on, ratings in the dumps, we need something to get people to come out..Oh we have new homeruns kings everybody hitting 30 40 50 60 70..homeruns. Entertainment my friends just saying.
Written by: glomarexplorer, 26 Jan 2013 3:09 PM
From: United States, Fresh Water Paradise-NY Finger Lakes

Sammy Sosa is a disgrace to Dominicans in general and the black race in particular.

On the issue of a future presidential run, by Dominican standards, Sammy Sosa is fully qualified....just look at recent choices: Hippolito Mejia and Leonel Fernandez. Both of these gentlemen are clearly exemplary citizens-yeah, right! One is both crazy and corrupted; the other one is pompous, corrupt and disengaged from reality; also, an inept leader with extreme visions of grandeur and self-importance.

Clearly, a country that elected Hippoloco to the presidency cannot simply consider Sammy Clown below par for the post.

Could you imagine, upon his ascendency to the presidency of the Dominican Republic, where the president rules mostly by fiat, his first decree might be to be referred to as: "hall of fame president of the Dominican Republic". Laughable, really comical, but really not out of realm of possibilities in Dominican Republic politics.

MJEV.
Written by: BASTA, 26 Jan 2013 3:53 PM
From: Dominican Republic, =Ghetto/Legalize Drugs/Free abortions for all Never Confuse Education with Intelligence
glomarexplorer,==5*****s 4++++

Maybe his mother wll kill 4 cows 2 pigs and a goat. Like she did in the past.
Written by: ingle23 This user is banned, 26 Jan 2013 3:58 PM
From: United States, brooklyn, NY
Gglox,

A++
Written by: dreadlocks, 26 Jan 2013 4:47 PM
From: United States
as always, a brilliant piece of writing and analysis by Glomarexplorer. by the way, how are you managing with those sub zero temps, G?
Written by: hellborn25, 26 Jan 2013 5:09 PM
From: United States, New Jersey Home of the brave.
Sammy Sosa thinks he and fellow steroid-tainted star Mark McGwire belong in the Hall of Fame, AP reported.

Sammy sosa also believes he should be consider caucasian and not negro , base on his new rejuvenating cream, that gave him that new pale look.
Written by: hellborn25, 26 Jan 2013 5:09 PM
From: United States, New Jersey Home of the brave.
Sammy Sosa thinks he and fellow steroid-tainted star Mark McGwire belong in the Hall of Fame, AP reported.

Sammy sosa also believes he should be consider caucasian and not negro , base on his new rejuvenating cream, that gave him that new pale look.
Written by: dreadlocks, 26 Jan 2013 5:31 PM
From: United States
you forgot the blue eyes, hellborn
Written by: Ricardolito, 26 Jan 2013 5:46 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Zona Colonial
glomarex...you are a perfect example of a person leaving the country and staying out of the country and yet considering he is in the country .. the Dominican abroad ..what a record they have !!!
Written by: RoyStone, 26 Jan 2013 6:10 PM
From: Australia
Belly, and Glomarex,
top marks!
Written by: rokete, 26 Jan 2013 6:14 PM
From: Dominican Republic, (( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL ! )) The only thing necessary for the triumph of Haitian evil is for good Dominican men to do nothing.

Lo que se hace con las manos, no se desbarata con los pies Samuelito.

You could have been in the Hall Of Fame, without the steroids.

But your ego is larger than yourself.


As DR president, please, we had enough of people like you with Leonel.

I can only imagine Sammy as another corrupt politician like Leonel, with steroids.

Result, a corrupt monster in the palace !!!

GOD NO !!!

LOL

JAJAJA



Written by: Atabey, 26 Jan 2013 6:15 PM
From: United States, Bring DT Forum Back--
In another generation, if not sooner, all the Greats will be enshrined in the HOF. They will go under the Steroid Era moniker,


19th Century Era 1876-1900
The highest level of professional baseball consisted of the National League, American Association (1882-91), as well as, briefly, the Union Association (1884) and Players League (1890). Foul balls were not strikes during this period. A base on balls once required three balls, then nine, then eight, then seven. then six, then back to seven before finally landing at four. Pitching distances were moved from 45 feet to 50 feet to 60.5 feet. For a while, pitchers were prohibited to throw over the shoulder and batters were permitted to call for high or low strikes to be thrown to them. Until 1893, batters were allowed to use a bat that was flat on one side. Home plate was shaped like a diamond instead of a pentagon. Starting pitchers completed their games 90% of the time. Many other rules were born or evolved.
Written by: Atabey, 26 Jan 2013 6:16 PM
From: United States, Bring DT Forum Back--


Dead Ball Era 1901-1919
The American League joined the National League as a top level professional baseball circuit. A third group, the Federal League also existed for a short period (1914-15). Balls were used as long as possible in play. Runs were scarce and homeruns were far and few between. Pitchers were allowed to use altered baseballs and trick pitches. The "scientific" method (or what is referred today as "small ball") was the primary method of play - advancing runners, stealing bases, playing for one run, etc. Starting pitchers completed their games two-thirds of the time. Issues such as gambling and game fixing came to head in with the throwing of the 1919 World Series by several members of the Chicago White Sox.

Lively Ball Era 1920-1941
In this time, a cork-and-rubber-center ball, replacing a rubber-core ball, was now consistently used by both the National and American Leagues. Pitchers, sans a handful of grand-fathered cases,
Written by: Atabey, 26 Jan 2013 6:17 PM
From: United States, Bring DT Forum Back--
Pitchers, sans a handful of grand-fathered cases, were no longer permitted to alter baseballs or use trick pitches. A fresh ball was used in play at all times. During this period, on average, nearly ten runs were scored per game. Batting average and home-run records were shattered. In 1930, the National League's batting average was over .300. Starting pitchers completed their games 47% of the time. In 1935, "night" baseball was introduced. For the most part, clubs traveled from city to city by train. Teams began broadcasting their games on the radio and later television.

Also, in 1920, the Negro Leagues were formed in an answer to racial discrimination in the major leagues.


Integration Era 1942-1960

It is significant to note that, during the first half of the 1940's, over one hundred major league players were involved in World War II. As a result, the level of play was somewhat diluted.

Written by: Atabey, 26 Jan 2013 6:18 PM
From: United States, Bring DT Forum Back--


Integration Era 1942-1960

It is significant to note that, during the first half of the 1940's, over one hundred major league players were involved in World War II. As a result, the level of play was somewhat diluted. After the war, in 1947, Jackie Robinson became the first black to play major league baseball since 1884. After Robinson's debut, each team in both leagues signed their first black player. Although, on average, most teams did not have a black player receiving regular playing time until 1954 and three teams waited until 10 years after Robinson to sign their first black. Integration by Major League Baseball subsequently led to the demise of the Negro Leagues. Offense was slightly down from the Lively Ball Era; although, homeruns were still on the rise. Starting pitchers completed their games 37% of the time.

Expansion Era 1961-1976

An enlarged strike zone and expansion from 16 to 20, and then 20 to 24,
Written by: Atabey, 26 Jan 2013 6:19 PM
From: United States, Bring DT Forum Back--


Expansion Era 1961-1976

An enlarged strike zone and expansion from 16 to 20, and then 20 to 24, teams gave cause for a reduction in the average offensive output - as compared to the Lively Ball and Integration Eras. In 1965, a player draft was implemented where teams would select, in reverse order of their finish in the standings, amateur talent to sign. In 1969, each league split into two divisions and then employed a season-end League Championship Series to determine their champion. In response to the shifting of dominance from offense towards pitching, in 1969, the pitcher's mound was lowered; and, 1973, the American League adopted the use of the Designated Hitter (for pitchers). Starting pitchers completed their games 26% of the time in this period.

Free Agency Era 1977- 1993

Players bargained for the right to "free agency" after their sixth major league season; and, this resulted in increased player movement and skyrocketing player salaries.
Written by: Atabey, 26 Jan 2013 6:20 PM
From: United States, Bring DT Forum Back--
During this seventeen year era, fourteen different franchises won World Championships. On average, runs per game during this period rose back to the levels found during the Integration Era. At times, as many as one-third of the teams in the majors used artificial turf fields which lead to an increased emphasis on scoring via doubles, triples, and stolen bases (rather than a reliance mostly on the homerun). Starting pitchers completed their games 15% of the time.

Long Ball Era 1994- 2005

Homeruns and strikeouts increased immensely during this era. This has been attributed to several factors which include the introduction of several new ballparks which were favorable to hitters, the acceptance of strength training by players, the reluctance of pitchers to throw inside, and a shift in batting technique by many coupled with the use of bats more conducive to driving the ball. A rapid increase in the number of relief pitchers used per game occurred.
Written by: Atabey, 26 Jan 2013 6:21 PM
From: United States, Bring DT Forum Back--

Starting pitchers completed their games only eight percent of the time. At the start of this era, leagues began using a three division format and instituted a season-end League Divisional Series (including a Wild Card team) to determine who should play in the League Championship Series. Select games were played outside the Unites States or Canada for the first time. In 1997, the leagues began inter-league regular season play."

Source:
netshrine.com/era.html


Sorry guys, but the Tooth Fairy isn't real.


Written by: glomarexplorer, 26 Jan 2013 6:29 PM
From: United States, Fresh Water Paradise-NY Finger Lakes

Many thanks to all of those expressing support for my comments above.

@ Dr. dread,

Yes, it is very cold here in the American tundra, just 50 miles from the Canadian border on Lake Ontario. We are a hardy people up here and are surviving just fine; in fact, I've just come in from cleaning the driveway and walkway with the snow blower. I pay a service to do that but they don't come around unless there is more than three inches of snow on the ground. Thanks for asking.

@Rick,

How are you, my friend and how is the health? Hope you continue to enjoy my beautiful home country and everything it has to offer, from some of the most beautiful beaches, to magnificent mountains and valleys, the great music and food and, most importantly, the friendly and great people.

Although I have not returned to DR in more than 30 years, I stay in touch with family and the goings on there, so I am somewhat informed-maybe not as much as you, others here.

Anyway, great to hear from you.
Written by: Lopez31, 26 Jan 2013 6:49 PM
From: United States
This guy has no class. Once a shoesine boy always a shoeshine boy. Now got get your f*cking shine box and shine my shoes...
Written by: dreadlocks, 26 Jan 2013 7:22 PM
From: United States
Glomar, are you familiar with a college town called Johnson City?
Written by: glomarexplorer, 27 Jan 2013 12:37 AM
From: United States, Fresh Water Paradise-NY Finger Lakes


@Dr. Dread,

No, I am not aware of such town. Do you know the name of the college or university in that town?

MJEV.
Written by: dreadlocks, 27 Jan 2013 6:36 AM
From: United States
it's up there by Binghampton and Endicott. the school is Davis College. i guess that you are way further north. how about Horseheads?
Written by: mannyberrios, 27 Jan 2013 8:51 AM
From: United States
Lopez; that was from Goodfellas, jajajajaja
Written by: glomarexplorer, 27 Jan 2013 2:37 PM
From: United States, Fresh Water Paradise-NY Finger Lakes
@Dr. Dread,

Davis College is not so well known around here. SUNY Binghamton is in same area and the biggest school in that area of Upper Central NY. Binghamton is about 160 miles SE of where I am.

Horseheads is probably 70 miles SE from Rochester, NY, where I live. It is a very beautiful town in the Finger Lakes region and in wine country, nestled right near Corning, the world-renowned glass blowing center.

We have about seven universities and colleges here, which makes us a college town: University of Rochester (medicine, business, optics and engineering); Rochester Institute of Technology (engineering, printing, business and photography); Saint John Fisher (teaching, pharmacy; business; athletics); SUNY Geneseo (teaching; science); SUNY Brockport; Roberts Weslayan College; Nazareth College.

MJEV.
Written by: dreadlocks, 27 Jan 2013 3:26 PM
From: United States
my son went to SUNY Binghampton. used to stay in Horseheads when i used to go to the US Grand Prix at Watkins Glen, since it was impossible to get a hotel room any closer. as to Johnson City; i only asked you that question because Davis College is there, and it seems like the women's underwear sold in that neck of the woods has no elastic in the waistbands. they fall off as soon as a guy comes into view. my buddies and i used to go up there every weekend, and have those girls wear us out. now don't you dare thinking about any trips down there! you are a family man!
Written by: glomarexplorer, 27 Jan 2013 5:30 PM
From: United States, Fresh Water Paradise-NY Finger Lakes

@Dr. Dread,

I must plan a trip to Johnson City, and the sooner the better.

MJEV.
Written by: dreadlocks, 27 Jan 2013 5:35 PM
From: United States
well, make sure you see your physician first, and get a thorough medical. it could get hairy. no pun intended. a word to the wise should be sufficient.
Written by: glomarexplorer, 27 Jan 2013 5:38 PM
From: United States, Fresh Water Paradise-NY Finger Lakes
@Dr. Dread,

I'll be sure to heed advice.

I'll also let next door neighbor, who attends SUNY Binghamton and who is clearly a golf prodigy, to check place out for me, and then we will pay him a visit.

MJEV.
Written by: Lautaro, 27 Jan 2013 6:37 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Bring DT Forum Back
Wow, glo, you have what I have alive away from this country. Can't say you're missing anything, though, cuz' underneath all the glitz and eye-catching trappings brought by modernity lies a very dark and uncertain reality, which is quite the contrast with the quiet, villager one you last saw here in 1982.
Written by: glomarexplorer, 27 Jan 2013 9:14 PM
From: United States, Fresh Water Paradise-NY Finger Lakes

@ Lautaro,

I've been away so long, that I believe DR's population was only 4M inhabitants the last time I visited.

Sad thing is that my great uncle just turned 100 years old and there was a great celebration at the family farm in El Cibao and everyone was there, except me. I understand they killed two novillas and a couple of pigs and that people came from all over. Family is teasing me about my absence; however, I lead a complicated life and spend lots of time overseas visiting customers and manufacturing plants and, when I have time, my local family wants to run off somewhere and they don't especially want to be around the extended family. It all makes it very hard to get together with family from the old world.

MJEV.
Written by: xwill7, 27 Jan 2013 9:47 PM
From: United States, El cuarto bate
Let him in!!! Mark and Sammy brought the fans back to MLB and ratings were high...

A home run almost on a daily basis was great!!!

Written by: danny00, 27 Jan 2013 10:25 PM
From: United States, Acropolis 114 santo DOMINGO
not only sammy but any ball player or ones in other sports are low-lifes.....
many of their fans trust and love them............

it was not sams skill that hit the home runs it was the drugs that did this.

choo choo
all aboard the low-life express.
be pres of the dr? this just might work for him.......
Written by: danny00, 27 Jan 2013 10:25 PM
From: United States, Acropolis 114 santo DOMINGO
not only sammy but any ball player or ones in other sports are low-lifes.....
many of their fans trust and love them............

it was not sams skill that hit the home runs it was the drugs that did this.

choo choo
all aboard the low-life express.
be pres of the dr? this just might work for him.......
Written by: hellborn25, 28 Jan 2013 9:45 PM
From: United States, New Jersey Home of the brave.
I will say sammy sosa and mark mcguire should be credited for bringing the sport back from the dead in 1998 , with the homerun hysteria . Yes he did take steroids and problably used a corked bat , but he brought ratings and attention to the chicago cubs , aside from that , The skin bleashing cream he know he was wrong for that , and really exposed the self hatred that sammy always hid away form the public.
Written by: rokete, 28 Jan 2013 9:55 PM
From: Dominican Republic, (( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL ! )) The only thing necessary for the triumph of Haitian evil is for good Dominican men to do nothing.

Deport all those illegals and AIDS infected Haitians from Quisqueya !!!
Written by: ingle23 This user is banned, 30 Jan 2013 3:20 PM
From: United States, brooklyn, NY
Deport all those illegals and AIDS infected Haitians from Quisqueya !!!

Trust me on this; the number of Haitians HIV carriers in the border-towns is just alarming. This has become a threat to most foreign, volunteer health care providers in this area.

Written by: rokete, 30 Jan 2013 3:34 PM
From: Dominican Republic, (( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL ! )) The only thing necessary for the triumph of Haitian evil is for good Dominican men to do nothing.

The government spends RD$1.04 Billion pesos, on Haitian illegals health care.

How many Dominicans are in need of that money?

How many Dominican would benefit if that money is spent on education?

How many Dominicans would benefit if that money is spent on their health care??

How many Dominicans would put food on their tables ??

How many bridges would be build in DR??

How many roads paved??

How many schools build??

How many houses build??

How many hospitals ??

How many Kilo Watt of energy produced??

How many dams build??

How many canals for irrigation??

How many docks??

These are the kind of thing some people don't want to understand.

The Dominican Republic is a very poor country.

We cannot have the luxury of spending that kind of money on the health care of illegal Haitians, while our own people are in need of those funds.

EXPEL THOSE ILLEGALS HAITIANS FROM QUISQUEYA !!!!!

VIVA TRUJILLO MOLINA !!!!!
Written by: RoyStone, 30 Jan 2013 7:01 PM
From: Australia
Some valif questions, rokete,
Here's another -

Who is going to do all the dirty and hard work if all the Hatians leave?

Written by: dreadlocks, 30 Jan 2013 7:18 PM
From: United States
rokete, why are you hijacking the thread? why don't you start your own thread?
Written by: rokete, 30 Jan 2013 7:18 PM
From: Dominican Republic, (( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL ! )) The only thing necessary for the triumph of Haitian evil is for good Dominican men to do nothing.
RoyStone,

Dominicans who are in the corners doing nothing,

It is called forced labor.
Written by: HateitorLOVEIT, 1 Feb 2013 8:33 PM
From: United States, Washington, DC
I agree with you Roy.... most dominicans want to be in photos ops... they want stuff free....they need to stop portraying like they are special...and start working.... It's one of the reasons why most Dominicans go back to there country from the U.S. They think they are going to take from the system but it isn't easy as they think they were told..... Dominicans need to stop educating themselves through the tv and get a real education......and job. When they find out that they can;t have 3 or 4 siestas per dia then they want to act like there rights have been violated.... Is this all Dominicans? NO... is it many Dominicans..SSSssiiiii......... How could you let honest people come to ur country in order to help your people and not protect those people from the everyday violence... Mormons.... Not all are bad but many are worthless
Written by: HateitorLOVEIT, 1 Feb 2013 8:36 PM
From: United States, Washington, DC
Sammy.... you knowingly broke the rules... MLB isn't the DR baseball league.... you cheated knowingly and you don't belong.......................
Written by: glomarexplorer, 1 Feb 2013 10:31 PM
From: United States, Fresh Water Paradise-NY Finger Lakes

What an ignorant jackass!!!

MJEV.
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