The most beautiful flag in this planet..................Get goosebumps

It's a start...

I would love to see how it portrays Haitians.

where can it be purchased??
how much will it cost???
ps3, ??? etc.???
will it be taxed????
WHO GETS THE PROCEEDS......????

DR is slowly but surely entering the modern era

DR is getting there Carlos Franco and Haiti is staying way behind!! They need some guidance from the world powers.

I wish them good luck (haitians) and also the best solution to their problem since it is a big issue.

The problem is that when you have any individual and needs help for whatever reason, you get to this individual and strive and do your best to provide good and sincere adivce but then this person doesn't want to hear your concerns but instead to find an excuse why it can't follow and make positive changes, this is the case of Haiti.

Since is easy to blame somebody else and feel good about it, They need somebody with good discipline and good values to change the country and the whole system.

Wish them the best as long as We (Dominicans) don't get bash out in the wrong way

I think we should focus on producing more software developers, not just game developers. There are tons of jobs for Java, .NET and PHP developers that are outsourced from the US to India. India is in a totally different time zone, which makes it tough to manage outsourced projects. Being in the same Eastern time zone as the US the DR is in a key location for handling outsourced projects.

Great idea, Import Indians to a Dominican Free Zone, thanks!

This sort of production, in assistance to the education of Dominican children (and adults) will be of tremendous benefit only if the progress of events are presented factually and without bias. if that isn't done, then you will have a whole generation of misinformed people whose nationalistic mindset will be forever altered through "truth denial".
Let's just hope the producers of these games write the software with the idea of presenting a "facts only" scenario.
To do otherwise will be grossly immoral.

TB

lol, not Indians... I mean, lets prepare more developers that are ready for the global economy, they'll be able to get good jobs without having to leave the DR.

Quote: Jose Armando Tavarez said the first Dominican videogame recreates the process which led to Dominican Republic’s Independence on February 27, 1844.

“ A Nation walking like a Crab, backward”

I don’t blame the United Nations for agreeing DR is a “Fail Nation”. DR indeed is a “Fail Nation”, and this historical propaganda its the proof of it.

“Good luck for those at DR that don’t have the means to jump overboard this sinking ship”

The US has many videogames that allow someone to play the main battles of the US independence process against the Great Britain (Liberty or Death, Age of Empires III, etc.), and Japan has many concerning its warring states period (Sengoku, Samurai Warriors, Takeda, Onimusha, etc). Why the dominicans could not do the same with the 1844-57 independence process, mr. Perception?

They’re marked differences between “Race and Independence”.

Unfortunately, one is about simple “Independence” and the other is about “Race”.

Dominicans due have a real issue about their "Race"

Dear friend Perception: You need maybe Duvalier's picture as a door mat so You could remember something related to Your childhood in Haiti.

Sorry to bring this issue to your memories but you always the one touching the magic buttons
and the good energy and will.

I do have a Duvalier's poster to be send to your adress so maybe You learn a little bit of good discipline and order.

You will be surprised on how good I am taken care of by women, once again at least my exotic last name is related to attract "venus" descendants and not "Jupiter"s" like your sensitive and artistic name "Perception" it sounds like a flower or a feminine object.

Duvalier was a dictator but at least had people like yout with a leash in the brain and the tongue.

"Peace dear brother"

Dominitrix !!! ehh LOL

To:JRRubirosa,
When are you going to stop your disgusting tirade of Haiti. For goodness sakes it's not enough that you had the audacity to call my nations heroes rapist but now your saying that Haiti is the pits of Hell!!!!!! It is people like you that make some Haitians afraid to say what nationality they are. I had dreams of one day of changing Dominicans minds of how they percieve Haiti and Haitians to be, but when there's people like you I see that my work is cut out for me. By saying that you have once again spit in the face of the Haitian people. You actually mean to tell me that my 84 year old grandma came from hell....my Grandfather who was a General in the Haitian army(that i never met because he died before I was born) was protecting the pits of hell....My Birth mother who died giving "birth" do me died in hell. I understand clearly that you despise Haitians but to go as far as seeing Haiti is the pit of hell goes to show....(Cont.)

....(Cont.) that you have no type of class and that you lack some of the basic human traits such as, humility, humbleness, understanding, fairness, and love......to name a few. I hope for your childrens sake(if you have any) that they dont possess the type of hatred for Haiti and the Haitian people that is evident in you through your posting. All this makes it worse because you are a grown man in you 40's. I wonder if you have any Haitian friends, because if you did you would have thought twice of writing that despickable comment. You seriously need some soul searching my friend. When its all said and done, and your at the gates of Heaven waiting to go inside the promise land, I hope st. Peter thinks twice about letting you in. since this is the time of lent, you should go and repent you sins sir. Perception, you comment about using the Dominican flag as a doormat is uncalled for. This man is trying to drag you in a mud slinging contest. You need to be more vigilant to avoid that.

Mr. Perception, please go hit your books again, because everybody knows that the dominican independence struggle was one in which every sector of the population took part, be it white, coloured or black, and that if it weren't for the efforts of these last two sectors the DR would not exist today. Oh, and one last thing, for your info, some of the greatest generals in dominican history are, precisely, of haitian descent, like the legendary Antonio Duvergé, which didn't lose a single battle in his whole brilliant (although rather brief) military career. And if you don't believe dominican historians, go and look for the haitian ones (like the famous Jean Price-Mars), which will basically tell you the same thing.

ok, I think we really need to have a way of voting on the quality of these comments, and automatically deleting the low scoring comments... Alexandra please help us, this site keeps unleashing the beast in us.

I think that voting feature would help keep the demons at bay

To what, Rubirosa? To the proven fact that Antonio Duvergé was of haitian descent? It's that what is eating at you? LOL

Seriously man, you need to stop that xenophobic attitude of yours, because you don't know when you'll end up needing a helping hand from them, you know. They are not the monsters that all the propaganda out there likes to portray.

I promise I wont be more burlesque than need it this Matter, but to go as far to develop a video game redacting DR independence from Haiti. I have to say, Its obvious DR its smearing the issue more than need it right now.

I do feel I’m wasting my time meddling in this issue since I don’t belong in any way, form or shape to your Island. I did spend some yrs down there and got an honest picture of the Island history and your social, economical and political realities on both sides. While residing there I did travel many times to Haiti in the late ‘94 when US intervention. I took the opportunity to learn a little bit more from their society beside what I previously read in Dominicans History books.

Just sit and listen for a minute both “Dominicans & Haitians”, if you all believe that moving forward its bashing each others past, I will suggest to you all, to start practicing the “Ostridge Trick”, and start putting your heads below the ground.

“Because you all are not listening "

Seriously, I don't see a reason why you should be so bitter about this, Perception, since there are plenty of videogames about independence themes out there, and those ones are precisely about countries with rivalries and enmities more bitter, and bloodier, than the historical Haiti/DR bickering (such as the case of the one between China, Japan and Corea), so, in my opinion, you're only making a storm in a glass of water.

Rubirosa please dont call me maddam, because I'm a 23 year old man. I accept you apology but you need to think about what you write.

Then start your lynching, and lets see what would happen.

For some reason whenever I read Perception's and Rubirosa's comments I feel like I'm becoming dyslexic.

Mr. Lautaro,

If you review again historian Frank Moyan Ponds, DR physical independence from Haiti was a "behind the scenes" war between Spain and France, if I'm wrong with this statement, plz direct me where I can read more about it, to confirm my mistake, because I never keept those books.

Note: I do enjoy reading your soft / wise way of writting even when differing with my own judgments.

Thanks

Perception: You're wrong... Haiti became indepedent of France, and while they remained a colony of france under a black leader, Napoleon never accepted it. Haitis alligiance towards France was minimal at best. France never recovered the power it once had... thus It was Haitians who mistreated dominicans, not the French... The orders did not come from Paris

You can read more info about that process on the books of Juan Bosch: "De Cristóbal Colón a Fidel Castro", "Breve historia de la oligarquía en Santo Domingo" or "Composición social dominicana ", or better yet, look for the book by Jean Price-Mars: "La République d'Haïti et la République Dominicaine". As for Spain's "involvement" in the dominican independence process, this could not have happened, because Spain was at that time making efforts to recover its other American possessions, (like Mexico and Peru), which were more valuable to her than the DR would ever be. What is certain, though, is that France played a crucial role on the dominican independence process, because it would be the efforts of the french ambassador at the time which would compel the haitian authorities to yield (for the time being), to the demands of the independence movement (which again I'm telling you, was composed by every sector of the population, be white (Santana), or coloured (Sanchez)).

Lautaro save your breath, i dunno how the forum went from video games to angry rants. I think i have a headache from JRRubirosa and Perception. I have a theory they must be people sent from hell to sabotage a place where educated people can provide insights and have intellectual conversations. This article is about videogames, and look where it has been dragged down to. As for JR, I suggest you do some research on haiti. Haiti was once the richest colony in the Western Hemisphere, it helped Gran colombia get its independence. O wait, the venezuelan and colombian flag was made in haiti before the revolution. Ouch, i hope you don't cry because i have discredit disproving your xenophobic theories. Wait a second, isn't Chicago started up by a haitian named Jean Baptiste Point DuSable. Anyways, i would love to see this game come into action. I think its a great move to the modern era. Mr. Lautaro keep up the good work, i like ur knowledge on history

It is really tiresome reading posts that essentially say: "Mine is bigger than yours". All of you should take a breather and enter the 21st century. The past? Who gives a shit? All those "Heroes" and "Villains" are all dead and gone. We will join them in due course. What will our children say about what we left them behind? Clearly some of the posters are provocateurs pushing the right buttons and they are very good at it. How can you hate someone you've never even met just because he's from a different clan? Isn't this shit going on in the streets of every North American city with the gangs? Isn't it curious that most of these provocateurs are posting from the US? We have enough problems here without importing more. I believe, that left alone, on a personal level, Dominicans and Haitians will get along very well. I see it here every day. The problems begin with the gang mentality that creeps in when groups gather. Let us grow up and face the future not the past.

Mr. Juan of Santo Domingo, I will commend you to get in to DR politics, at the end of the day this is the type of thinking the Island needs in order to move forward.

Regards

Thanks for the sentiment, "Perception", as a wise man once said, the journey of a thousand miles begins with just one step. Let's all take that one step together and do our little bit to change things. Let's do it at the grass roots level and who knows what can happen?

Haiti helped Venezuela and Colombia attain its independence. The DR proved as an influence to the Grito de Lares movement in Puerto Rico. Haiti was the first nation in the Americas to abolish slavery. The DR proved the world that they as a people deserved independence as well and did exactly that. Haiti had Petion and Louverture and Dessalines and Christophe while the DR had Duarte and Sanchez and Mella and Luperon. Haiti had the Duvaliers while the DR had the Trujillos. The Haitian nationalist leader Charlemagne Peralte was of Dominican descent while the Dominican leader Ulises Heureaux was of Haitian descent. To sum it all up: The countries of Haiti and the DR are important to the region of the Americas. The past has forged what the island has become today: A separate yet melting pot of languages and customs and has made Hispaniola probably the most diverse island in the world!!! Respect Haiti and Respect the DR. Stop the Hating!!! Two countries that are independent yet dependent!

A separate yet melting pot of languages and customs and has made Hispaniola probably the most diverse island in the world!!! Due to DR containtment !!!!

Damn it, Perception keep your mouth shut. This hostility is not warranted for. You are like JRRubirosa. You don't know when to stop and move on, no need to try to cause an unwanted argument and mudslinging. To HAYkickyouintheSHIN, thanks for the good information on History. At the end of the day, we are two countries that are different yet similar to each other. We need to stop hearing the voices of extremists, asking for unwarranted tension amongst the two countries of Hispaniola

Anonymous quoted: Damn it, Perception keep your mouth shut.

I wish Dominican Today.com was a "Recorded Media" commentary, but sorry, I have not been speaking, those are the voices inside your head.

I due accept, I'm very upset with this "Independence Game", why don't you help to "Boycot" it. Or it just serve your purpose. "Campaigning"

Why don't you attack the ills befalling your own country first before attacking the ones from others (such as the enormous political power that the WASP of the military industrial complex posess), mr. Perception?

Why don't you denounce the genocide that your "waspish" government has done with the native americans (genocide that is glorified in a lot of videogames), mr. Perception? Natives which are condemned to be enclosed on "reservations", which are nothing more than glorified concentration camps.

“Injustice” don’t have a Country and less a flag.

I will tell you the same thing that Juan Bosch said to the elites:"O jugamos todos, o se rompe la baraja". In other words, if you're going to denounce injustice, please denounce it wherever it's happening and not just on one country only, that is, if you don't want to appear as an hypocrite or a fool.

So Mr. Lautaro, what happened to the “Card game”.

I'm getting the impression that the dominican chap that stole from you did more than just that. Tell me, Perception, did he also took a girlfriend from you? Te pusieron los cuernos, manito? :-)

Wishful thinking? LOL

What happen to the Card Game?

I will answer for you, 30,000 boots upon Bosh asses, thats what happen to the game, and might happen to leonel too. I don’t found that unjustified, actually, “well deserved”

If all you who are of haitian descent don't learn to "soften" your rhetoric, you will find yourself "barred' from posting on these pages.
You carry your insults a bit too far in your attacks on those who don't agree with you to your detriment.
These pages are not for you to broadcast your propaganda against the imagined, or real, discreminations you allude to, so cease and desist your vitroilic attacks against a society in which you don't belong.
Remember that these people have just as much justification as you in their absorbed attitudes.
If you can't accept that, then just be quiet about everything with which you have no control over.
You each carry your hate and displeasure over the matter a bit too far andthat, my friends, is intolerable.
Bear in mind that there are those who have no sympathy for your remarks or for the intolerance you exhibit.

TB

Are you there Mr. Lautero !!!!

Next,

Listen Texasbill, I understand your point, but when there's people like "Greenwave" and "Rubirosa" spewing their anti-Haitian venom, do you expect, Haitians and those who support Haitians to be quiet. For over 200 years, Haitians have been the centerpiece of a comedy skit, and quite frankly I really can't stand it no more. I'm all for discussing an article in a humane way, but when I see people saying Haiti resembles the pits of Hell, I must respond to that. Although I do not agree with how Perception responds, I notice that its in retaliation to when a poster says something slick. I'm pretty sure if I said that your leaders were "rapist" you would be upset...Well thats what Rubirosa said in a previous article and not one Dominican came to my defense. It seems like some of the Dominican posters can write whatever they want, but a Haitian can't even defend their name on these postings. So please TB tell me why is that.

Mr. Jamessouveniers,

Thanks, but I know how to deal with low punches, this is a typical Dominican behavior. I had deal with this type of people more than you had, an I can assure you many of their educated ones, hardly carry any costumes or models, its a hardship to sit with some of them at any table.
I have read some of Mr. Lautero and Rubirosa commentaries toward Mr. amoree at another forum and I have to say both of this guy’s are either minors or jerks, beside a label them low life.

“When their arguments don’t connect, they start bashing people with derogatory remarks”, this is their practice.

I will say to them, “Write to the Hand”

To Perception: low punches are the ones that your coward mind and all your fellow haitians direct towards Dominicans in all forums.

I try from time to time to be pollite and if in some cases I said something and somebody like Jemmesouviens demands an apology, I comply trying to show you education, class, and discipline.

On the other side your guys are the ones that regardless what everybody says need to be taught good DISCIPLINE, GOOD VALUES, BEHAVIOR, MORALE, EDUCATION and RESPECT.

We could be debating for years and at the end You will be always be the UNCIVILIZED people till you finally learn some FAMILY VALUES and DISCIPLINE.

"Think as your please" The battle is on....................

Mr perception: I have a song on the making so promise to post when is ready, and it was inspired on your good work in all these forums fighting for your people.

Mr. Perception, I think that you need comprehensive lecture courses, because I hadn't insulted amoree in any single way. If clarifying a point or defending without insult one's country against an undeserved attack constitutes and insult for you, then pal, you need to visit a psychiatrist right away. From my pov, your insulting my country and then whining when someone attacks yours is a gross act of hypocrisy. Mr. jemesouviens, I'm all for looking for understanding and friendship between both nations (in fact I have been one of the biggest supporters of this, along with Baldoria, Jabao, Frank, Bill and Dreadlocks), but unwarranted attacks like the ones that Perception do simply can not be tolerated, the same goes for Rubirosa too. I don't know Rubirosa's motives, but Perception is simply being childish venting against a whole nation because of the deeds of one national against him. Despite those two, I do look forward to keep exchanging with you and other moderated people in the future.

Perception is out of control. You're lashing and obscene comments are intolerable as TB has gracioulsy mentioned. You're extremist views are unwarranteed and are the cause of creating more hostility which is not needed. We have great intectually discussions on this forum and all you is try o instigate through verbal attacks. I mean, you are entilted to have your opinion but it's just intolerable what you say. Please think before you write because your writings are projecting you in an overwhelming extremist light. This is all being said in good faith. Much peace and love.

Let me laugh for a bit, (hypocrisy), since when telling the true as once see it is named that. Yours, as I defined it its ones holding two-three faces, as many of this forum holders write under double or triple login names. (I can read between lines).
(Double standard), neither fit my description, I do walk my nations road under the same laws as wells as all his citizens.
(Bias), I wish, but in fact I did share more time in DR side while my pleasant stay, enough to provide me with solid thoughts, convictions and perspective of DR’s realities.

The only interest of my personal judgment of DR problems (to be corrected) are just based on the knowledge and experiences, from the few wrong Dominicans that entitle to assert what’s best for your future generations, and has dragged your Nations to the abyss.

Perception: "low life dominicans".... what are you then? define yourselve please, i'd like to know who am talking to cuz so far you're a ghost...

so you lived in DR?... how ungreatful of you then to smear our country when you sought refuge in it... SHAME.

"dragged your Nation to an abyss" are you sure you're not talking about haiti???

Since 1978 DR dropped its authoritarian legacy, when it chose Guzman to power, Since then we have been a democratic state, not like europe or America, but you no longer see soldiers on the street dictating laws... soon we'll be celebrating 30 years of peaceful living.... While it may not have given us the things we sought the world still spins and we have the time...

jemesouviens(?);
Paardon my misspelling of your name, please.
The reference I was making, fyi, is the remarks of that which ellicits a like response from the opposition.
Somewhere along the line of this thread, someone made a remark which has set off a theme of vitroilicism that has no place on these pages. I'm sure you will agree with that synopsis.
My post was nothing but a severe warning to all that such retributive remarks would eventually lead to being banned from posting at all.
People can and do respond in many ways to both low-level and high-level barbs and in different ways. It is when these ways begin to reveal anger and unwarranted denegration of the individual that such becomes nothing but a PI$$ING contest which is of absolutely NO VALUE to the readers of the exchanges.
We're not addressing a problem rationally if we resort to such examples of hate and anger. Since the purpose of a "discussion" is the exchange of ideas, Pro and Con, we should stick to that alone.

MR. TB,
Please with due respect spare some of your fine words, if had not noticed by now, that only runs to some of all “blood“.

Mr Perception, shut up, to much **** 4 today,... :b

That car cover didn't fit my cars seats !!!!!!!

This Wall Behind We Hide...
"HISPANOLA"
by Wilgeens Rosenberg

Between you and I,
There is this wall.
A resentment before our eyes,
An embarrassment to the world.

Behind this wall is you and I.
Not you or I alone,
But all that is mean and nice
Is why we never get along.

Between you and I,
There are now many secrets.
So are inks of our combined pride
Our pasts which may have many regrets.

But behind this wall is you and I.
Our glories and shame.
The love and hate we share and hide,
But still the worries are the same.

With this wall, we hide only Hispanola.

"Keep dreaming and dreaming and dreaming and dreaming and dreaming and dreaming and dreaming till You finally "WAKE UP"

Mr CarlosFranco: the real forrest gump "Perception" is a real "Haitian" with a public agenda against "Dominican Republic"

Before was hidden now is public along with his "Little retarded Gang"

"The litlle frustrated haitian brothers"

But behind this wall is you and I.
Our glories and shame.
The love and hate we share and hide,
But still the worries are the same.

With this wall, we hide only Hispanola.

Well, mr. Perception, the first step in your "agenda" should be to ask the Department of State to change the name of the island on the US charts, because, last time I checked out about that name issue with some haitian friends, they had deep objections against that name and with everything that reminds them of colonialism (that was the reason that motivated them to change the name of their country from Saint Domingue to Haiti, you know). Oh, and while you're at it, could you ask your government to return them the Navassa island that it took from that country on the XIX century, please? It sounds highly hyppocritical to voice your friendship for a country while your own is having in their possession something that belongs to them at the same time.

But still the worries are the same.

Mike Bellah Quoted:

"Is pride a wall we construct to keep us from feelings of inferiority? Could it also keep us from admitting wrong and consequently from experiencing reconciliation with others? Is inferiority itself a wall we build to protect us from feelings of shame? But does inferiority also wall out the faith that would have us develop new strengths and abilities?

DR is so bad that we should copy Haiti, Right Perception.


There is nothing you can say against us that your own people aren't living and ten times worst for that matter....

feelings of inferiority????

This is awesome! Our tiny half-island country is doing so much. It could definitely do more if corruption is reduced but I'm just happy that the economy may be diversified with another industry. Apart from tourism and agriculture, we are expanding in telecommunications, film and now computer programming. Credit has to be given where it is deserved. One good thing about the Leonel Fernandez administration is that it has a stellar team of ambassadors that are promoting foreign investment in the country and supporting local businesses. I'm also interested in buying the game. :)

WOW! Every time I read postings in this space i keep seeing the same people fighting over the same things. Some love DR, some love Haiti, and both groups are intolerant to anything said about their country by the other group. It does not matter what the topic is, is the same story all over. Grow up guys/gals. Let it go! Life is too short for this BS.

Wise words juanfronnyc!!!

As you can see some people only want to stir chaos with their postings and others love to follow the game. Don't you guys see that this is exactly what that person wants? There are much more causes in the world to be focusing on!!! Moving on, I will love to see the game, not for its theme but to see what are we capable of producing. Is nice to see DR moving in a different direction to streghten our economy besides tourism.