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Port-au-Prince.– Two tech companies have launched rival ventures to build Android tablets in Haiti, a country with little recent experience in electronics manufacturing.

According to phys.org, startups Surtab SA and Handxom SA began production last month and plan to sell the 7-inch touchscreen devices to phone stores nationwide and markets overseas.

Surtab says it has already sold hundreds of tablets to customers including Haiti's education and planning ministries and mobile phone giant Digicel, which sells the tablets in its stores.

Handxom plans to open a showroom next month in the Port-au-Prince area and project manager Jimmy Jacques said the company has already sold 300 units in the past two weeks.

The owners of both companies say their businesses show that Haiti is capable of manufacturing more than just clothing, while also paying people decent wages, phys.org reported.

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Written by: DONT_BE_SILENT, 28 Dec 2013 11:05 AM
From: Dominican Republic, NEVER FORGOTTEN, NOR FORSAKEN!
This is good! I hope they open 300,000 industries in Haiti so they stop coming to our side.
Written by: DONT_BE_SILENT, 28 Dec 2013 11:18 AM
From: Dominican Republic, NEVER FORGOTTEN, NOR FORSAKEN!
That's good too. If it was the case, every country has the right to say who goes into its territories, and who don't.

That's what we want to do, no more hungry Aytians! CAPICE?
Written by: BASTA, 28 Dec 2013 11:23 AM
From: Dominican Republic, =Ghetto/Legalize Drugs/Free abortions for all Never Confuse Education with Intelligence
Well yes that's a point.
Written by: chilliwestaziz, 28 Dec 2013 11:32 AM
From: Jamaica
Nice Job, Haiti! Don't let the momentum fizzle out...Keep truckin'
Written by: AytiZekle, 28 Dec 2013 11:39 AM
From: Haiti, Haiti reveille toi, Ayti pap mouri
Written by: DONT_BE_SILENT, 28 Dec 2013 11:05 AM
"This is good! I hope they open 300,000 industries in Haiti so they stop coming to our side."

Yeah, good now they can reverse the current. It is going to be 300000 Dominicanslooking for job on our side receiving the same treatment that was giving to Haitians


Written by: DONT_BE_SILENT, 28 Dec 2013 12:01 PM
From: Dominican Republic, NEVER FORGOTTEN, NOR FORSAKEN!
Yeah, Aytians born in the D.R. We don't want any of them.
Written by: AytiZekle, 28 Dec 2013 12:18 PM
From: Haiti, Haiti reveille toi, Ayti pap mouri

"Yeah, Aytians born in the D.R. We don't want any of them."
Good for you , as long you can prove they are not Dominicans
Written by: DONT_BE_SILENT, 28 Dec 2013 12:27 PM
From: Dominican Republic, NEVER FORGOTTEN, NOR FORSAKEN!
I can spot a Haitian among black Dominicans! And all of them are here illigally, weather they were born here or not, you people are born illegally in your own country, your government doesn't even provide its citizens with a birth certificate, and they have the nerve to demand from us papers. How dare you?

NO SHAME WHATSOEVER!
Written by: DONT_BE_SILENT, 28 Dec 2013 12:35 PM
From: Dominican Republic, NEVER FORGOTTEN, NOR FORSAKEN!
That's why the MA-RICOM islands don't want any Haytian in their tiny crapper, you people are just a bunch of backstabber, just like your so called president Micky Mouse, that after meeting with Pres. Medina, turned around and ban our chicken and eggs based on a lie.
Written by: Trinitario809, 28 Dec 2013 12:35 PM
From: Dominican Republic, is not the solution to Haiti's problems !
Finally, great news from Haiti..!!

Now they have to ump up their construction jobs.
Written by: Trinitario809, 28 Dec 2013 12:38 PM
From: Dominican Republic, is not the solution to Haiti's problems !
Why do Haitians care about proper documentation in DR so much, yet the give a flying f@ck about any birth related papers in their own country ?
Written by: chilliwestaziz, 28 Dec 2013 1:08 PM
From: Jamaica
Poverty is only a crime when it is imposed on others. The poor, are victims of the criminality. Stop blaming the innocent for what others are responsible for. At best, the poor can only be blamed for not demanding justice, demanding equal treatment, and revolting against the status quo.
Written by: Danilo, 28 Dec 2013 2:09 PM
From: Dominican Republic, SDQ --- VIGILADOR.COM (Beta) - Vigilando nuestra Quisqueya
This is great news, but what about about the poor uneducated Haitians? maybe Italy or Japan can take them since their population is shrinking. Check out this fully developed town in Japan which went from 100,000 inhabitants to 10,000. All those abandoned schools and homes are even better than the ones in the US.

youtube.com/watch?v=Yil_cn_1gMo

The main reason is because they're not having enough sex or kids.
Written by: Atabey, 28 Dec 2013 4:03 PM
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Written by: chilliwestaziz, 28 Dec 2013 1:08 PM
From: Jamaica

Poverty is only a crime when it is imposed on others. The poor, are victims of the criminality. Stop blaming the innocent for what others are responsible for. At best, the poor can only be blamed for not demanding justice, demanding equal treatment, and revolting against the status quo."


No one is blaming the poor. WE BLAME THE HAITIAN LEADERSHIP!

The same ones that have been running down their poorer cousins and brothers to the abyss.

The ones that denied whites property rights under the Constitution, that CONTINUE TO USE RACE AS A FACTOR IN CITIZENSHIP.


The ones who rob, cheat and continue to pillage off the poor in Haiti.


Those are the ones we ask the World Community to ATTACK.


THEY ARE THE ONES RESPONSIBLE FOR HAITI'S DEBACLE.



Great news otherwise, and hope many more companies and JOBS come to Haiti.




Written by: danny00, 28 Dec 2013 4:18 PM
From: United States, Acropolis 114 santo DOMINGO
Italy or Japan?.... but your right next door to Haiti....long flight going to Japan.... beside of all the craziness going on the Haitians Love u Lady's .....and before u get upset about this post u lady's say that u lady's did all of the Building-Up of the Dominican Republic I have 1,000 of photos I had taken of Haitians doing the Building and working the Farms......I have about 350 photos of Dominicans Drinking the Presidente and laughing at the Haitians while they worked........u think I'm the only one with these type if photos?.....every one has a Camera today guy....your going about this the wrong way trying to lie your way out if this and the Lyching u lady's have done......if u go to Disney world they have a ride called " it's a Small".....and getting smaller for the RD every day that passes
Written by: Danilo, 28 Dec 2013 5:05 PM
From: Dominican Republic, SDQ --- VIGILADOR.COM (Beta) - Vigilando nuestra Quisqueya
"1,000 of photos I had taken of Haitians doing the Building and working the Farms"

Those are the same Haitians that have diluted the wages in these industries. Wages that are now only able to provide two meals a day and a tin shack on private property. Dominicans have put too much effort into this country to live in those conditions. Still, to Haitians these conditions seem better than what's available in Haiti.
Written by: RoyStone, 28 Dec 2013 5:31 PM
From: Australia
Hard to swallow?
Written by: RoyStone, 28 Dec 2013 5:34 PM
From: Australia
Cheap labor, no safety or compliance costs, corruptible officials, proximity to market allergic to books - yeah it makes sense.
Written by: PatDiamond, 28 Dec 2013 7:24 PM
From: Botswana, La reconnaissance est une lachete'
Finally great news from Haiti
-------------------------
Yes if DT is your only source, BTW Haiti had a thriving electronic assembly manufacturing industry back in the 70's, this is nothing more than the revival of Haitian industries. Surtab SA got few oders from a few caricom members including Jamaica,cheaper than books as they are being implemented in the Jamaican school system. Laurent Lamort the current PM recently went on a tour of Silicon valley in talks with google in term of helping in this arena and the remapping of Haiti. Little by little the bird build its ness. PS just remember which way capital flow
Written by: danny00, 28 Dec 2013 9:46 PM
From: United States, Acropolis 114 santo DOMINGO
Don't worry the Hatitians will never take away the cheap tee-shirt business from the RD Dominicans are # one in the world when it comes to making the Cheap Tee-Shirts....... was in Santo Domingo a few days ago went though Bella Vista, Naco, Gazcue area With my Camera these are supposed to be good neighborhood's the streets are full of Trash and only the area of Piantini was clean ( buildings had garbage cans out front)... in the other areas the people that live there throw their trash into the street or near their homes in little white plastic bags.
The rents are high and if u do buy they are expensive but the people live there are stupid and cheap.. Have a wonderful vacation in Paradise Island.. Lol...if u have doubts about my comments then take a ride though these areas .. don't judge your hotel and think the rest of the country is like your hotel is....see 4 your self. one picture is worth 1,000 words.
Written by: danny00, 28 Dec 2013 10:28 PM
From: United States, Acropolis 114 santo DOMINGO
Roy are u talking about the Dominican Republic or Haiti?.. not much difference even in color.
Written by: rokete, 28 Dec 2013 11:21 PM
From: Dominican Republic, (((( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !! ))))
Danny........keep dreaming. Dreaming ones dream is a free commodity.
Written by: rokete, 28 Dec 2013 11:21 PM
From: Dominican Republic, (((( DEPORT THE HAITIANS, BUILD THE BORDER WALL !! ))))
Danny........keep dreaming. Dreaming ones dream is a free commodity.
Written by: guillermone, 29 Dec 2013 2:14 AM
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danny00 grajo00 Loc00 has problems with his brain. The stench coming out of his armpits is affecting his mental capacity. Es un negro zarataco y hiede a Chimikui.
Written by: AytiZekle, 29 Dec 2013 10:03 AM
From: Haiti, Haiti reveille toi, Ayti pap mouri
To those that refute the point of Danny00 ,lets play a game : Pick any Dominican , I will pick a Haitian phenotypically similar?

Sure you are more mixed than us , that doesn't make you any better than us. In fact the whole caribbean is mixed race, either you go to Jamaica, Cuba, Puerto Rico, Martinique, guadeloupe, trinidad etc..
Dominicans are not unique neither special just like any third world country out of the caribbean.
Written by: bhaitian, 29 Dec 2013 10:14 AM
From: United States
@Atabey,"The ones that denied whites property rights under the Constitution, that CONTINUE TO USE RACE AS A FACTOR IN CITIZENSHIP." there you go again .please bring that section and make sure it is the update version .
Written by: AytiZekle, 29 Dec 2013 10:28 AM
From: Haiti, Haiti reveille toi, Ayti pap mouri
@bhaitian
Who cares about Atabey, you shouldn't mind of this retarded . Just read a couple post that he wrote you will find out that he is on pills
Written by: bhaitian, 29 Dec 2013 1:30 PM
From: United States
@AytiZekle, between rocket and Atabey there is a factory loose
Written by: Danilo, 29 Dec 2013 3:04 PM
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Imagine a Hispaniola without Haiti, it would be the trade capital for Latin America. It would be as successful as New Zealand, which doesn't have to deal with much migration issues.
Written by: AytiZekle, 29 Dec 2013 3:55 PM
From: Haiti, Haiti reveille toi, Ayti pap mouri
Duplicated
Written by: bhaitian, 29 Dec 2013 3:55 PM
From: United States
@Danilo,
"From: Dominican Republic, SDQ ------ HAITI EXPLOITS THE WORLD WITH ITS LIES
Imagine a Hispaniola without Haiti, it would be the trade capital for Latin America. It would be as successful as New Zealand, which doesn't have to deal with much migration issues."
be careful rocket and others might think it a fusion plot.
Written by: AytiZekle, 29 Dec 2013 4:00 PM
From: Haiti, Haiti reveille toi, Ayti pap mouri
Ah ah ah you said it . Hispaniola without Haiti .... Wouldn't be Hispaniola
Written by: guillermone, 29 Dec 2013 4:02 PM
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Written by: AytiZekle, 29 Dec 2013 3:55 PM
From: Haiti, Haiti reveille toi, Ayti pap mouri
Ah ah ah you said it . Hispanola without Haiti .... Wouldn't be Hispanola.

What will it be then?
Written by: guillermone, 29 Dec 2013 4:06 PM
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"Sure you are more mixed than us , that doesn't make you any better than us. In fact the whole caribbean is mixed race, either you go to Jamaica, Cuba, Puerto Rico, Martinique, guadeloupe, trinidad etc.. Dominicans are not unique neither special just like any third world country out of the caribbean."

Who said anything about being better?

And I totally disagree, although there are mixtures all over of the Caribbean region, there is nothing which compares to the extent or the miscegenation levels reached by the DR. And while Haiti preached separation the Dominican Republic practice integration, long before it ever became politically correct.
Written by: guillermone, 29 Dec 2013 4:14 PM
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Vin Diesel the actor has expressed his love for the Dominican Republic, and how he relates to its multicultural facets. “I cannot explain how good it feels to come to my country. The reason why I say this is my country is that it has something special that many forget. Here there are more persons of European, Native and African ancestry than anywhere else in the world, which makes the Dominican Republic a mecca for all of us who are the result of a mix of races,” he told El Caribe
Written by: DONT_BE_SILENT, 29 Dec 2013 4:24 PM
From: Dominican Republic, NEVER FORGOTTEN, NOR FORSAKEN!
Literally.
Written by: DONT_BE_SILENT, 29 Dec 2013 4:24 PM
From: Dominican Republic, NEVER FORGOTTEN, NOR FORSAKEN!
Haiti is the armpit of the Americas.
Written by: bhaitian, 29 Dec 2013 4:28 PM
From: United States
@guillermone,
" while Haiti preached separation the Dominican Republic practice integration, long before it ever became politically correct." when did Haiti preach serperation?
"Here there are more persons European, Native and African ancestry than anywhere else in the world, which makes the Dominican Republic a mecca for all of us who are the result of a mix of races,” . really there are a list of country that has quit impressive mix of race and still recognize them all.
Written by: guillermone, 29 Dec 2013 4:37 PM
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@guillermone,
" while Haiti preached separation the Dominican Republic practice integration, long before it ever became politically correct." when did Haiti preach serperation?

I see you have a ways to go and a lot to learn.
Written by: guillermone, 29 Dec 2013 4:37 PM
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"..really there are a list of country that has quit impressive mix of race and still recognize them all."

Really? I waiting for you to list them.
Written by: AytiZekle, 29 Dec 2013 4:44 PM
From: Haiti, Haiti reveille toi, Ayti pap mouri
@ guile

Sometimes I read your comment and I read something and some other times I feel I read " atabay" or Roquete thru you . Its Sunday , I guess you feel like bored or something

quote : "What will it be then?" you ask that seriously ... let pass on, stick to the subject.
Written by: bhaitian, 29 Dec 2013 4:59 PM
From: United States
@guillermone, please teach me when Haiti preach separation
Brazil
Dominica
Cuba
French Guyana
Guyana
Written by: Atabey, 29 Dec 2013 5:28 PM
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bhaitian,

How come Haiti STILL maintains to this day a RACIAL PREFERENCE in its Constitution?

The Great shame of the Haitian Revolution was that IT DID NOT TRANSCEND RACE. IT MERELY REVERSED THE RACIAL DYNAMIC BETWEEN BLANCS AND NOIR.

In the pre-revolutionary era it was the Blancs over the Noir, and after the revolution, Dessalines and on, it was Noir over blancs.

Race has played a divisive and destructive role in Haitian politics since pre-revolutionary times and continues to. The political racial politics of the Duvaliers -noirist-quickened the march to the abyss.


"While consciousness of racial identity has been a powerful factor which, from the earliest days, has united Haitians in a determination to preserve their national independence, color has been a divisive factor, leading to the erosion of the stability of that independence."

Source: From Dessalines to Duvalier: Race, Colour and National Independence in Haiti by David Nicholls

Written by: Atabey, 29 Dec 2013 5:32 PM
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And:
HAITI IN THE WORLD ECONOMY: CLASS, RACE, AND UNDERDEVELOPMENT SINCE 1700
By Alex Dupuy

"Perhaps the most startling claim in Dupuy's analysis of the 20th century is the ironic thesis that the American occupation set the conditions for the origins of Duvalierism and hammered the final nails in Haiti's casket of underdevelopment. The Americans decided to build up the middle class to break the stronghold on the country which the Haitian elite held, especially the mulattos. This itself was ironic since the Haitians already existed on the periphery of their own economy, and the Americans were working hard to insure deeper American penetration. Haiti was a market for American goods, and a cheap source of food stuffs.

The Americans did succeed in building a middle class of professionals--doctors, lawyers, teachers, and government bureaucrats. However, this rising class, which was almost entirely black, had a long hard struggle to carve out a place in Haitian economy."


Written by: Atabey, 29 Dec 2013 5:33 PM
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"The ideology which it developed was a noirist one--a celebration of things black and African-- to
offset the power sources which blocked them in--the white Americans and the dominant Haitian mulatto elite.

The ultimate outcome of this movement was the presidency and 29 year dictatorship of the Duvalier family. What Francois, Papa Doc, Duvalier brought to Haiti, on Dupuy's view, was not a change in the structure of Haiti's economy, nor even a change in the violence of government, but a shake-up of who controlled the government. Duvalier, for the first time in Haitian history, elevated to power a black non-elite middle class. He built up the fragile roots of existing black ascendancy--the rural Voodoo priests, rural sheriffs and justices of the peace, and junior black military officers. The external violence of his struggle, probably the most blatant use of force in Haitian history, "

Written by: Atabey, 29 Dec 2013 5:35 PM
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"The external violence of his struggle, probably the most blatant use of force in Haitian history, did change the power relations and who controlled the government and the right to expropriate wealth. But, it also further devastated the economy, destroying tourism, driving out foreign investors and disrupting rural production."

David Nicholls' fine history was first published in 1979. Macmillan recently published the paperback in 1988. It is a carefully documented history of Haiti from the revolutionary period (1791-1804), through Papa Doc Duvalier's years (1957-1971). He focuses on the question of race and class and argues that a particular sort of racial question is dominant over class interests in determining Haiti's history.

Nicholls' view is that race is closely related to culture in Haiti. The mulattos, in order to set themselves apart from the slaves turned to France for their identity and culture. While this caused mulattos to emphasize whiteness,"
Written by: Atabey, 29 Dec 2013 5:36 PM
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"While this caused mulattos to emphasize whiteness, more importantly it caused them to emphasize European-ness.

The blacks, however, most of whom were freed from slavery via the revolutionary struggle, hated the French and the whiteness they associated with the French. Since the mulattos were united with the white French, the blacks opposed, even hated the mulattos.

Again, however, Nicholls returns to the theme of culture. In this black rejection of whiteness what the blacks rejected was western culture.

Thus the ultimate battle lines of Haitian history were cultural issues. Nicholls does not deny the place of color and class, but argues this cultural racism (the mix of color and culture) is the dominant causal element in Haitian history.

Thus we have:

Mulattos --------------Blacks
Catholic religion -Voodoo religion
French language -Haitian (Creole) language
French/Western customs -African customs
Plantation system (proprietors) - Subsistence farming"

Written by: Atabey, 29 Dec 2013 5:38 PM
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Again, RACE is CRUCIAL to understanding the causes for Haiti's demise. And even today, its stamp remains imbedded in its Constitutional Framework.


Written by: AytiZekle, 29 Dec 2013 6:09 PM
From: Haiti, Haiti reveille toi, Ayti pap mouri
OMG .... he needs to be locked up.
Written by: AytiZekle, 29 Dec 2013 6:12 PM
From: Haiti, Haiti reveille toi, Ayti pap mouri
Ignorance is NOT bliss. Ignorance is dangerous
Written by: bhaitian, 29 Dec 2013 6:19 PM
From: United States
@Atabey, you should know what i would tell you again learn history.
Written by: AytiZekle, 29 Dec 2013 6:41 PM
From: Haiti, Haiti reveille toi, Ayti pap mouri
@bhaitian,
Dude you have the guy read a bunch of "garbage " that he doesn't even understand and come right up vomiting crap on the site.

Teach an ignorant to read is one good thing , make him understand what he is reading is just taking the Donkey out of him .
what a waste .....
Written by: bhaitian, 29 Dec 2013 8:42 PM
From: United States
@AytiZekle, sorry i disagree, for i believe in the notion that i am my brother kipper ,no matter how long it will take Atabey.
Written by: AytiZekle, 29 Dec 2013 9:14 PM
From: Haiti, Haiti reveille toi, Ayti pap mouri
Good luck ... I don't have time for puppet
Written by: guillermone, 29 Dec 2013 10:13 PM
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Written by: bhaitian, 29 Dec 2013 4:59 PM
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@guillermone, please teach me when Haiti preach separation.

Wow!!!...........

Jeez............ you can't figure that one out by yourself?
Seriously now, tell me the truth, you did not know that?
Are you really asking because of a lack of knowledge and awareness or are you just posing a rhetorical question?

I mean do you believe Haiti is 95% homogeneous black because it was a coincidence or was it purposely engineered to be that way? I mean the answers is very obvious and its staring you in the face or are you just a blind man who wishes not to see?

I mean you did not know that white people could not own property in Haiti? You did not know that white people can't do much of a lot of things in Haiti? Haitians sure don't have a problem with taking charity from white people though. Is that not convenient?
Written by: bhaitian, 29 Dec 2013 10:18 PM
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@guillermone, really , do i have to do the same thing that i have been doing to Atabey; asking him to learn history
Written by: guillermone, 29 Dec 2013 10:19 PM
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Written by: bhaitian, 29 Dec 2013 10:18 PM
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@guillermone, really , do i have to do the same thing that i have been doing to Atabey; asking him to learn history.

Really........???? I am surprised you said that.

Now lets go back and start over, tell me, which part don't you understand?
Written by: guillermone, 29 Dec 2013 10:58 PM
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Written by: bhaitian, 29 Dec 2013 4:59 PM
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Brazil
Dominica
Cuba
French Guyana
Guyana

Like I said before and I will repeat it again. All countries in the region have racial mixtures, but none to the extent of the DR. They say Brazil is one country which closely resembles the DR in miscegenation. However, it is so big that the comparison does not make sense. The southern region of Brazil has a whole state that resembles Germany where you do not see a colored face for miles around.

And what about Bahia, which has preserved its African culture to its purest form. And its native indigenous population has remained intact, with little to no outside contact. And yes they also have a mix race population. But nothing compares to over 73% multi-racial people for the entire DR. There is no country listed which reaches those figures. The DR is a land of mutts and it has preserved nothing. There is no pure anything in my country, except for undocumented Haitians
Written by: bhaitian, 30 Dec 2013 9:06 AM
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@guillermone, french Guyana and Brazil meet and past DR and about the Haiti separation please learn history.
Written by: Lautaro, 30 Dec 2013 10:45 AM
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"@guillermone, french Guyana and Brazil meet and past DR and about the Haiti separation please learn history."

Don't know about French Guyana, but with Brazil, you're sorely mistaken, specially when they have so many pure whites over there, which are almost half the population, and the majority of the population in some of their states, like Sao Paulo, Santa Catarina, Rio Grande do Sul and Minas Gerais. The contrast in the latter case being more pronounced when one speaks about political and military representation. I have yet to see one colored Brazilian (be him/her pardo/a or preto/a) having a post in the political or military establishment with significant power.
Written by: Atabey, 30 Dec 2013 11:04 AM
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It took the US invasion of 1915 to change the property owning rights law of Haiti. Until the Americans arrived Haití denied whites the right to own land. Only by marriage to non whites was how outsiders gained rights to property. Check out the small Germans group the attempted to gain power in Haiti via this scheme late 19th century and early 20th century.
Written by: bhaitian, 30 Dec 2013 11:25 AM
From: United States
@Atabey,please keep learning
@Lautaro i mention Brazil for one purpose the mixture types not equality, for Brazil is the most denial country when it come to racial discrimination ,but claim racial democracy .
Written by: Lautaro, 30 Dec 2013 11:28 AM
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I'm aware of it, bh, I'm just telling you that Brazil have a long way to go before reaching DR's 75-80% of the population being mixed, specially when geographical segregation (by states) still keeps being a force to be reckoned with, not only nowadays, but also for the foreseeable future.
Written by: bhaitian, 30 Dec 2013 11:38 AM
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@Lautaro, absolutely agree
Written by: Atabey, 30 Dec 2013 11:45 AM
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Bhaitian,

Please pick up a book, and not a comic or coloring one, and read it or have someone do so for you.

I'm very aware of brasileño style democracy. They only recently got a black on The Supreme Court.

A country seldom mentioned but with a population of African extraction is Colombia. Believe it or not, there are more blacks in Colombia than in Haití.

Written by: bhaitian, 30 Dec 2013 11:50 AM
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@Atabey,please read my comment with Lautaro before answering .
Written by: Lautaro, 30 Dec 2013 11:51 AM
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"A country seldom mentioned but a population of African extraction is Colombia. Believe it or not, there are more blacks in Colombia than in Haití."

The entire Colombian Pacific coast is of African extraction, Atabey. That's why you can see on a Google map the fact that the gov. have remained uninterested in the region's development, so much so that, outside Cali, there are only two towns on that region (Buenaventura and Tumaco). The only time the gov. showed interest was when they bombarded the FARC encampment in the Ecuadorian border.
Written by: Atabey, 30 Dec 2013 12:00 PM
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I came across this via an article in The Economist years ago. Most of the colombianos I have met were either white or mestizos. One good friend is Cartagenero and he is mulato.

But the enormous population that will one day stir up troubles, given their almost invisible status in the decision branches of government, was a surprise to me.
Written by: guillermone, 30 Dec 2013 1:47 PM
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Written by: bhaitian, 30 Dec 2013 9:06 AM
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@guillermone, french Guyana and Brazil meet and past DR and about the Haiti separation please learn history.

Do you still want me to learn Haitian history?

Now..........to give you the benefit of the doubt, I did follow your suggestion and went back to review some of the material, and to be perfectly frank with you, I just could not figure out exactly which section I did not grasp. Would you please be so kind as to point out the chapters, I missed. It was either that I did not learn the lesson correctly or you slept through Dominican history class. Which one of the two is it? You were wrong about Brazil and perhaps you might also be wrong once again.

But don't feel bad.........it takes a great man to admit his mistakes.
Written by: guillermone, 30 Dec 2013 2:19 PM
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Now with regards to French Guyana............again your comparison is meaningless. Although, yes they do have an approximately 66% mixed race population, but when compared to the DR, it is still behind and falls short in both percentages and the number of multi-racial natives. But most significant is the fact the French Guyana barely has a total population count of 172,605 (July 2000 est.), 202,000 (January 2006 est.) a far cry from the 11,000,000 people of mix race ancestry found in the DR.

The figures for French Guiana does not quite make the cut and it is an insignificant fact to prove and justify your point. Therefore, my original argument about the uniqueness and incomparable diversity of the Dominican people among the world nations still holds true. It does not make us better or worse, only that we are who and what we are and no one has a right to pigeon hole us into anything or force to identify with any one single race unless its of our own personal decision and choice.
Written by: bhaitian, 30 Dec 2013 5:15 PM
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@guillermone, my point with Haiti history is that many like Atabey love to focus only on what they want. if you want to understand Dessaline action after independent ,understand the society before independent . if you want to understand Haiti percentage can be trace back to more of politic then racial tension to understand this Haitian saying
neg riche se milat,milat pove se neg; rich black men is a mulatto,poor mulatto is black ,so it is more economic than race.
Written by: Atabey, 30 Dec 2013 7:30 PM
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The message I want to get across is that while DR is criticized without end regarding its racial discourse, HAITÍ, where the morass of racial hatred and enormous violence not only started, but cristalizado into massive génocides against Noirs and later blancs has been largely spared critical review.

Remémore, the real race wars started and spread out of Haití, not the Dominican republic.

And again, go check out the Haitian Constitution, see if Race is ever mentioned.



Written by: Atabey, 30 Dec 2013 7:59 PM
From: United States, Bring DT Forum Back--

Check out this wording:

"Any person born in Haití, ....so long as he is descended from the black race."

"Descended from the black race" appears in Artículos 2,4,6 of the Haitian Constitution.


Facts are hard to deny.


I rest my case.


:)

Written by: guillermone, 30 Dec 2013 11:26 PM
From: United States, Bring Back DT Forum

"Facts are hard to deny. I rest my case."

FOR SURE..............!!!!
You damn got that right............!!!!!

Written by: guillermone, 30 Dec 2013 11:26 PM
From: United States, Bring Back DT Forum

"Facts are hard to deny. I rest my case."

FOR SURE..............!!!!
You damn got that right............!!!!!

Written by: bhaitian, 31 Dec 2013 9:58 AM
From: United States
@Atabey,which Constitution and what section and people are calling the TC ruling races . please learn history.
@guillermone, ""Facts are hard to deny. I rest my case."

FOR SURE..............!!!!
You damn got that right............!!!!!" really is it in Haiti current constitution.
Written by: Trujillo, 14 Jan 2014 7:36 PM
From: Dominican Republic
A real massacre, not the made-up one these people like to talk about: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1804_Haiti_Massacre
Written by: Atabey, 14 Jan 2014 7:55 PM
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Written by: bhaitian, 31 Dec 2013 9:58 AM
From: United States


@Atabey,which Constitution and what section and people are calling the TC ruling races . please learn history."


??

What do mean?

Written by: guillermone, 14 Jan 2014 11:22 PM
From: United States, Bring Back DT Forum

"In the 1805 Haitian constitution, all citizens were defined as "black", and white men were banned from owning land.

The 1804 massacre had a long lasting effect on the view of the Haitian Revolution and helped to create a legacy of racial hostility in Haitians society."

The chicken is coming home to roost.
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