Cohíba is a brand for two kinds of premium cigar, one produced in Cuba for Habanos SA, the Cuban state-owned tobacco company, and the other produced in the Dominican Republic for General Cigar.
The name cohíba derives from the Taino word for "tobacco". The Cuban brand is filled with top-quality tobacco which, uniquely to Cohiba, has undergone an extra fermentation process; it is a type as well as a brand.
Cohíba was originally a private brand supplied exclusively to Fidel Castro and high level Cuban government and communist party officials. Often given as diplomatic gifts, the Cohíba brand gradually developed a "cult" status. It was released commercially for sale to the public in 1982.
Cuban Cohíbas are known to use some of the finest cigar tobacco available in Cuba. The tobacco for Cohíba is selected from the finest Vegas Finas de Primera (first-class tobacco fields) in the San Luis and San Juan y Martinez zones of the Vuelta Abajo region of Pinar del Río Province.
The tobacco used to fill the cigars is unique among Cuban marques because it undergoes a third fermentation process in barrels, which is reputed to give it a smoother flavor than other cigars. The flavour of these cigars tends towards medium to full-bodied.
1. Cohiba cigars feature in the film Hotel Rwanda. Paul Rusesabagina has a box specially imported from Cuba to give as gifts to businessmen and diplomats. He says "If I give a businessman 10,000 francs, what is that to him, he is rich. But if I give him a Cohiba cigar, that is style."
2. In his Window Shopper music video, 50 Cent is seen walking in the streets of Monaco; upon meeting a rich man, he asks him for a cigar, and the man gets a Cohiba out of his pocket.
3. In 50 Cent's first un-released album Power Of The Dollar he mentions in the song Slow Dough "Broke niggas smoke niggas, rich niggas smoke Cohibas"
4. Cohiba cigars are mentioned in the movie Bad Boys II when Cuban drug smuggler Johny Tapia (Jordi Mollà) offers Russian club owner Alexi (Peter Stormare) a Cohiba before a meeting. During the movie you can also see the yellow Cohiba label being smoked by Tapia.
Taken from http://lexchillbangsavintage.blogspot.com/
Written by: Belial, 3 Feb 2008 10:45 AM
From: United States, Texas
I've tried both the Cuban and the DR versions of the brand name. [I hope this is not self-incrimination before the repressive US regime. "He smoked a certain cigar, so send him to prison for five years."]
The DR version is a poor counterfeit of the Cuban version.
Written by: lunapark, 3 Feb 2008 11:14 AM
From: Dominican Republic
You´re so right... No point of comparison...
From: United States, Port Washington, LI (New York)
I do smoke cigars COHIBAS are the best of the best but after them dominican cigars are well know for their good quality in magazines like Cigar Aficionado also keep in mind that Carlo fuentes has Tobacco companies (manufacturing) in Cibao region.
That means that our soil and tobacco is not so bad at all, Mr Carlo Fuentes (father and son) are Cubans so they know a lot about quality.
Written by: DaniDr, 3 Feb 2008 3:02 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
In my opinion there's a lot of potential that is not being exploited in the cigar export business. As well, the same happens with coffee.
From: United States, Brooklyn
Cuban tabaco is the same as Dominican Tabacco... The difference is there's somehting special in acquiring items that are deemed illegal, and so the cuban tabacco has that mystic
Written by: drtampa, 3 Feb 2008 4:10 PM
From: United States
To have a news source print the third point attributed to 50 cents is absolute stupidity.
From: United States, Spring Valley, NY
ohhhh yes....Nothing beats a cup of Rhum Barbancourt (Aged 15 years), and a finely rolled Cohiba Cigar sitting on the beach of Jacmel, Haiti...Miles from ordinary.
Written by: Belial, 3 Feb 2008 5:03 PM
From: United States, Texas
Honduras produces a counterfeit Cohiba, too.
But the DR counterfeit is better that the Honduran counterfeits. Most of the counterfeit Cohiba advertised in the glossy US cigar magazines and the glossy up-and-coming young middle class-business-man magazines are DR counterfeits.
Cuban counter-revolutionaries are involved in both the DR and Honduran counterfeit operations.
Neither the DR nor the Honduran counterfeit operation relies exclusively on domestically produced tobaccos, as is the case in Cuba. The DR and Hondurus import the cheapest tobaccos from all over the world to produce their counterfeits.
At most mall tobacco shops in the USA, you can easily get a DR Cohiba for between $12 and $30. A Honduran counterfeit for as low as $7 with about a $15 max.
The Cuban cigar, which is illegal in the USA, could run you anywhere from $50 to $75 a smoke.
Beware, US hustlers make a lot of money palming-off DR and Honduran counterfeits as the real things.
From: United States, Port Washington, LI (New York)
Carlos Franco: that's good point too, they are illegal.............
Written by: NYCDR, 4 Feb 2008 12:45 AM
From: United States
I used to smoke cigars. I got the chance to smoke Cohiba, I was not impressed. :(
Personally, I prefer the Macanudo, for me there is no better cigar period!!!!
Macanudo, is made Santiago, Dominican Republic.
Written by: Duane, 4 Feb 2008 5:37 AM
From: United Kingdom
They stink and I'd prefer to have the 10,000 Francs. From all the wonderful crops which can be grown in The Dominican Republic, Tobacco has to be the least impressive.
From: United States, Port Washington, LI (New York)
Cigar aficionado (Cigar magazine) always list dominican cigars in the top numbers of the magazine and also EXPERTS that i know agree with the same
Written by: Belial, 4 Feb 2008 2:15 PM
From: United States, Texas
"Cigar aficionado (Cigar magazine) always list dominican cigars in the top numbers of the magazine and also EXPERTS that i know agree with the same"
0000
In USA commercial propagnda ... cigars, especailly DR counterfeits of Cuban brand named cigars, are marketed via advertisements, product placement in movies and other media, sporting events, cigar-friendly magazines such as "Cigar Aficionado," [for dilettantes] and cigar dinners. Advertisements often include depictions of affluence, sexual imagery, and explicit or implied celebrity endorsement.
Cuban cigars, the real things, have limited themselves to "implied celebrity endorsement."
JFK -- H. Upmanns [The Cuban real things, not counterfeits, even after the US embargo began.]
Fidel -- Cohiba [He quit smoking 20 years ago.]
W. Churchill -- Romeo y Julieta -- [His average household supply was between 4000 and 5000 cigars.]
George Burns and G. Marx -- [They put everthing Cuban in their mouths.]
From: United States, Port Washington, LI (New York)
To Belial: So It seems to be that you are the expert and not the Cigar Aficionanado Magazine??
Is like Consumer Reports magazine (Hopefully you know this magazine) when They endorsed or recommende a product is for quality reasons not other reasons.
You have to see the big connonation of "Cohibas" they are the best of the best but don't tell me that if you smoke something else you smoking bad stuff.
I do smoke a cigar every week so there is lots of Dominican Cigars out there, why You think Carlo Fuentes (father and Son) are located in DR (Advertising reasons too).
Has nothing to do with propaganda but research and tasting
Written by: Belial, 4 Feb 2008 5:56 PM
From: United States, Texas
JRRubirosa, I agree with you that the DR makes good cigars.
But this is not my point.
My point is that DR fakes of the renown Cuban brand names don't measure up. This is not nor is it intended as a slur of the whole DR cigar industry which makes splendid cigars that don't pretend to be fakes of Cubans but are proudly and shamelessly DR.
Although THE magazine writes extensively about real Cuban cigar isses, it still largely promotes the DR and other fakes of Cuban cigars.
[In PR, as you probably know, the great renegades of Bacardi family produce fakes of present day Cuban rum products for deceitful distribution in Latin American and Europe.]
Yes, the DR fakes far out-sell Cuban cigars in the US market, but the Cubans are illegal in the US market. How can most US consumers judge the respective worth of the cigars, if the repressive US regime threatens to imprison consumers, if they smoke a real Cuban cigar.
Is that a level playing field for competition?
From: United States, Port Washington, LI (New York)
To Belial: I undertand now, I'm sorry...............
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
if you are willing to do the research you will find the cohiba cigar sold in the United states by general cigar is manufactured in the D.R. but cannot be called cohiba in the D.R. because general cigar does not own the trademark in the D.R. and only owns the trademark for the U.S.A. and its territories both Cuba and U.S.A. lost a long litigation against a Dominican third party for the rights to this taino word on a cigar and it and it alone can be considered the legal dominican cohiba...YOU CAN LOOK IT UP....Marven Shanken of Cigar afficianado refuses to print the truth because his advertisers dont want him to and that is the only reason this rag exists for this horrible deadly products advertising
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
Cuban primacy in cigars is due to geographic position strategic to Tampa and then to Europe it was closer to ship this odious weed from Cuba than elsewhere....remember in 1900 Tampa produced more hand made cigars than havana and today in europe a cigar is called a havana...remember what it was called before that,,,yes my friend it was a sevilla and yes Carmen used to roll them...so distance and freight had more to do with this weed than anything called quality...incidentally the most expensive and coveted tobacco in the world is from Conneticut yes the best Cuban cigars were wrapped in it until the U.S.A. would not give them any more with the embargo...davidoff knew this and he is now in the D.R. besides there is an large amount of nigarauguan tobaco imported into cuba today who knows how much but a lot MUCHO
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
comrade belail will call me a counter revolutionary no I am a tobacco historian the Fuente story is very interesting. ...true artisans of tobacco,having had their property confiscated by comrade belails associates in Cuba in the communist takeover then move to Nigaragua and begin again....their many years of hard work is rewarded by a second confiscation at the hands of Danny the red Ortega and his commie stooges ...well their economys loss is our gain....and welcome to the D.R. ARTURO FUENTE now probably among cognoscenti known as the most well made cigar in the world along with Davidoff of course....however Davidoff left Cuba because he could not get any decent tobacco and refused to be extorted by party stooges
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
the renowned cuban brands referred to by comrade belail were stolen from hard working famillies who had created capital and jobs......today tobacco workers in cuba have to steal to make ends meet Cuba borrows 26 million dollars against its production from Espana to buy fertalizer for tobacco......A worker would have to spend a months pay to buy one cohiba cigar he rolled in a cuban tobacco store...go ahead do the math 1 box cohiba esplendido 475US$in a cuban state store may be he get a little change...no wonder they steal everything to make phonys to sell the tourists who dont know any better.
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
the great shame is the sale of phony cigars here in the D.R. the people should be prosecuted for bringing shame on one of our most prestigous industries albeit a deadly one ....this junk sold on the conde and on the beaches only brings shame on the larger picture of Dominican patrimony and Dominican INTEGRITY again Dominican INTEGRITY
Written by: Belial, 4 Feb 2008 10:59 PM
From: United States, Texas
Cuba gets about 2,000,000 tourists a year. Maybe a third of them leave with three or four boxes of cigars.
DR gets about 3,000,000 tourists, the highest number in the Caribbean. But I don't know if any leave with smokes that M. Shanken promotes.
In 1992, Cigar Aficionado created the "Cigar Hall of Fame" to recognize families in the cigar industry. To date, six individuals have been inducted into the Hall of Fame for their families' contributions to the cigar industry:
Edgar M. Cullman, Chairman, General Cigar Company, New York, USA
Zino Davidoff, Founder, Davidoff et Cie., Geneva, Switzerland
Carlos Fuente, Sr., Chairman, Tabacalera A. Fuente y Cia., Santiago de los Caballeros, Dominican Republic
Frank Llaneza, Chairman, Villazon & Co., Tampa, Florida, USA
Stanford J. Newman, Chairman, J.C. Newman Cigar Company, Tampa, Florida, USA
Angel Oliva, Sr., Founder, Oliva Tobacco Co., Tampa, Florida, USA
It's the workers, not the capitalists that count.
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
Cigar Hall of Fame.....what a joke.....these people purchased enough advertising in that reviled and feared (among cigar manufacturing types) magazine to qualify .....a subtle or not so subtle extortion
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
does belail really believe that tourists buy between 3 and 4 million boxes of cigars genuine from the factory cigars in Cuba........let me explain, the large majority of those tourists are budget lowball all inclusive tourists 3 boxes of premium cuban cigars in havana would cost as much as their vacation cost or close to it...based on cost of 1 box of cohiba esplendidos or montechristo #2s whatever.....the possibility is that these poor suckers bought short filler phony or long filler phony cigars from street hustlers who are allowed to exist by the secret police because foriegn currency is desperately needed. but they are bad cigars
Written by: Belial, 5 Feb 2008 6:18 PM
From: United States, Texas
"does belail really believe that tourists buy between 3 and 4 million boxes of cigars genuine from the factory cigars in Cuba ..."
0000
Didn't you know?
The cigars are already in the tourists' countries.
When somebody say "I'm going to Cuba." Others often say "Bring back some cigars."
In many European countries, the cigars, ordered in Cuba by a tourist, can be sent, by computer, from a EU warehouse directly to ultimate consumers in Europe or sent to the EU address of the EU tourist visiting Cuba for subsequent distribution by him or her.
Because of the prevalence of fakes, counterfeits, and bourgeois garbage ... including fakes by Cuban-American con artists in Miami ... many cigar smokers like the assurance that their brand-named cigars come directly from where they are supposed to.
There are a number of internet sites where you can avail yourself of these services without touring Cuba.
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
having been part of the cigar industry prior to the collapse of the small producer in D.R....that is 7 years from 1995 until 2002 and still dabble in it from time to time until my conscience gets the best of me.....but this guy belial maybe a cuban communist sympathizer but he knows nothing about the history of the cigar ....the tobacco industry...cuban cigars.....dominican cigars.......NADA
Written by: Belial, 5 Feb 2008 8:46 PM
From: United States, Texas
"belial maybe a cuban communist sympathizer but he knows nothing about the history of the cigar ....the tobacco industry...cuban cigars.....dominican cigars.......NADA," Gouletcolonial said.
0000
So, either a Cuban Communist sympathizer or this rabid pro-imperialist reactionary who claims to reside [or whatever] in Canada.
A reactionary who purports ... without any supporting evidence ... to be omniscient about good things.
Indeed, the evidence that he is informed about these things ... even in the minimalist sense ... is the contrary of his dramatic pretensions.
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
the sale of fake cigars in the dominican republic is very demeaning to an industry that is trying to establish itself as number 1 in the world in quality........why the government permits it is a mystery.........the Mala Fama we have for this thing phony cigars.......phony cuban cigars no less .....is not worth the short term financial gain......all these tourists receive is a bad memory of their vacation
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
that is correct i am an expert in many of the finer consumer goods....because that was my job........that is how I know the prices ...and that it would take one of the glorious workers a weeks pay to buy what was once Fidels favorite cigar a Cohiba Lancero.....no correction two weeks pay...What a guy that fidel
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
tell us some stories ,about your phony doctor Che doctor of what ? what a hoax and yes, I am from Canada and yes Cuba is full of them ....Cuba is a cheap vacation for them....the verdict is unanimous........the beaches are beautiful...FOOD SUX.....do you think these people are buying the same cigars that are being sold at Dunhills ...when they get the pssst wanna buy some cigars .....come now it is a scandal in cuba as well.... these phony usually short filler cigars..HORRIBLE
Written by: Belial, 5 Feb 2008 9:53 PM
From: United States, Texas
Gouletcolonial treats us to an outburst of ranting and slobbering that none of us has witnessed before.
Encore. Please!
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
very funny seriously.....touche
From: United States, Port Washington, LI (New York)
Tobacco has nothing to do with POLITICS but real TASTE...........
Separate personal opinions with quality.........
From: United States, New Jersey
The Cuban COHIBA’S, gold fonts, three rows of perfectly square boxes as shown in the picture above are the real deal.. These cigars are not found anywhere in the Dominican Republic for sale... Strictly in Cuba.
However, Carlos Fuentes’s Opus X are among the worlds most sought after cigars.. Hand made en el Cibao and just as good in my opionion.. .
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
another expert who knows nada nothing.....not found anywhere in the D.R.....there are many places that have sufficient integrity who would not sell a phony cigar do you think we are all thieves....for example do you think the cigar store at Casa de Campo sells phony Cohibas NO and many other reputable dealers not looking for a fast buck do as well....they are famous and expensive because they are illegal......period punto
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
strictly in cuba of course....none in London.....none in Paris.......none in Geneva....no they save them for the all inclusive tourists from Canada and elsewhere with the money hanging out of their pockets....you are going to make me laugh....cuba has a worse problem with fakes than we do...go to a state store in havana and see the prices they arenot for the all inclusive tourist unless he has a cosigner(joke)
Written by: Belial, 6 Feb 2008 1:10 PM
From: United States, Texas
Cubans don't fake and can't fake Cuban cigars.
A fake is a trademark infringement. Cuba holds international trademarks on its Cuban cigars but the Cuban American reactionaries... in the business of producing fakes and backed by the US imperialists ... couldn't care less about the international law of trademarks.
After all, this Cuban American, reactionary slime planted bombs in 1976 in a passenger jet and kill everybody on board, planted bombs 1997 in hotel lobbies killing and injuring tourists and Cubans in Havana, and unsuccessfully tried to plant a bomb in 2000, consisting of 34 pounds of C-4 explosives, in an auditorium on the University of Panama campus where Fidel Castro spoke to 3000 students. All of them would have been murdered if the US-backed reactionary slime had been successful.
So, what does reactionary scum care or know about international trademarks?
Cuba can't violate their trademark because it is their right to do anything they want with it.
Written by: Belial, 6 Feb 2008 1:13 PM
From: United States, Texas
But when this same scum of reaction produces a cigar under its own trademark, they fight like willd animals to stop anybody from infringes on their "rights."
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
calm down amigito....cuban phony cigars in cuba are of cuban origin ,but are made in a garages with stolen rings and boxes at best....but most are short filler rip offs.. but they qualify as cuban cigars ...the tourist who cannot afford the authentic ones made in the factory buy these rip offs unknowingly...and believe me very few of the all inclusive low baller tourists can afford the authentic ones anyway. ......methinks belail got left behind in Angola and has a little head problem
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
and thats right its their trademarks ,.....Cubas that is they stole them from the families that owned them fair and square and now amigito explain why the beard could not get his greasy little hands on Bacardi trademark
Written by: Belial, 6 Feb 2008 4:07 PM
From: United States, Texas
Until the spread of municipal smoking bans in restaurants, you could get high-class and high-priced fakes of "Cubans" in these establishments, especially steak houses, which the managers, with the "cat that ate the canary look," palmed-off to customers as the real thing.
The boxes as well as cigars were beautiful, but both fakes.
"Try this one, it's only $70. But it's worth it."
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
intelligent smoking are you mad .....you set something on fire....then suck the smoke into your lungs...very intelligent ...even your sugar daddy fidel had enough brains to stop that insane habit....The hospitals are full of intelligent people who smoked......what are you NUTS....try to put some kind of status to a filthy habit like smoking cigars or whatever is for the real suckers...I hope you dont tell your students how cool it is....
Written by: Belial, 6 Feb 2008 5:28 PM
From: United States, Texas
"intelligent smoking are you mad "
0000
OK, that's why Fidel stopped.
I meant discriminating about smokes.
I'm surprised that you are so sanctimonious about smokes after some of things you've said.
Written by: Belial, 6 Feb 2008 9:44 PM
From: United States, Texas
Are the cigars in the picture at the top of the thread wrapped Colorado or Maduro?
My guess is that the wrappers are Colorado.
Written by: Belial, 6 Feb 2008 10:02 PM
From: United States, Texas
When you open a box of fakes, you're likely to find four or five different wrappers.
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
sorry to give you the bad news comrade but the most coveted tobacco is American yes feelthy gringo tobacco from ??????? CONNECTICUT shade yesssiree bob the cubans would be using it today if they could get it.........that is because it has nice colour very small veins is easy to work with smells nice......but otherwise is a filthy weed ....like all the rest of it...but is by far the most expensive wrapper you can buy.......this is why the Fuente project, which will remain nameless XXXXXXXX is such a success ....it is the first time a high quality cigar has been made with Dominican wrapper,or so they say,Aurora also makes one with a Dominican wrapper....I refuse to say anything except that they are both made with great care and in very limited quantities
Written by: Belial, 6 Feb 2008 11:45 PM
From: United States, Texas
I'm impressed, cappie [that is, capitalist] or cappie-want-to-be.
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
which country produces the most cigars in the world.........suprise.......Holland all machine made...little ones still a cigar
Written by: Belial, 23 Feb 2008 6:16 PM
From: United States, Texas
World Habano Lovers in Havana Next Week
Havana, Feb 23 (Prensa Latina) The 10th International Habano Festival will take place next week in this capital with the attendance of professionals and smokers from the world over, many of them already in Cuban soil, indicated industry sources.
Considered one of the most important meetings dealing on tobacco in the planet, this venue -from February 25-29- will gather at least one thousand persons of the five continents interested in habano cigars.
The event features a trade fair, visits to plantations and cigar factories, cigar-tasting and contests. On this occasion there will also be a contest for the Habanos-Armagnac trophy and Habano-sommelier, as well as lectures and debates of great interest.
The past edition attracted 1,600 participants, among them 948 foreignbers for 66 percent of all attendants.
Written by: Belial, 23 Feb 2008 6:17 PM
From: United States, Texas
The countries most represented were Spain, Canada, Switzerland, Germany, Benelux and France and organizers expect a similar attendance this year from over 50 countries.
Among the topics to be discussed in the event are "The architecture of factories and warehouses, women and the history of the tobacco sector and the Oldest History of Tobacco, among others.
As is usual, the program includes the Distributors Dinner, dedicated this year to Germany and Switzerland and the closing Gala where the Habano Prizes of the Year are
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
shilling for this inferior product belial ...but I suppose you have to you are under orders of the party....I am suprised this is a health hazard.....even fidel does not smoke his lousy cigars any longer
Written by: Belial, 23 Feb 2008 11:57 PM
From: United States, Texas
"shilling for this inferior product belial ...but I suppose you have to you are under orders of the party....I am suprised this is a health hazard.....even fidel does not smoke his lousy cigars any longer"
0000
GC is another philistine who doesn't understand what a smoke is.
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
" A woman is a woman but a cigar is a smoke " Rudyard Kipling
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
what is a philistine? ......give us a first hand definition
Written by: Belial, 24 Feb 2008 11:31 AM
From: United States, Texas
"what is a philistine?"
0000
In the Marxist sense, one who discounts the relevance and utility of theory or one who only pretends to have theoretical knowledge
In the bourgeois sense, one who feels and shows a smug indifference to intellectual, artistic, and cultural matters
In the divine sense, a people better known today as the Palestinians, who persist for thousands of years in resisting the voracious and expansionist Israelis, going back to the combat between David and Goliath, the philistine fighter. Some Israelis believe that the boss of all the divine beings, a certain "God," picked the Israelis as his favorite out of all of humanity and sic them forever, like vicious dogs, upon the philistines or the people of Palestine.
The divine sense have very little to do with bourgeois and Marxist senses of the term.
In Marxist literature, the term philistine has fallen into disuse because it is often considered uncomradely.
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
like I said ....... from one who has first hand knowledge of pretending to have theoretical knowledge....you fit that suit,like a glove
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
but not to worry...you are truly a political dinosaur....and we will keep you around for curiosity value......No reeducation camp for you ....communist party nostalgia has its place.....I suppose you are listening to Radio Havana as we speak....waiting for the penultimate gasps out of that near corpse of a system
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
beli what does this anti israel tirade have to do with anything....maybe celebrating.... Nader throwing his hat in the ring this morning
Written by: Belial, 25 Feb 2008 1:23 AM
From: United States, Texas
"beli what does this anti israel tirade have to do with anything....maybe celebrating.... Nader throwing his hat in the ring this morning"
oooo
We shouldn't limit ourselves to the Marxist and bourgeois sides of things.
Why not also consider their divine side?
Propelled by his conceit, the bourgeois is so confident of his infallibility and omniscience that he almost never considers other sides of the question.
Written by: Belial, 25 Feb 2008 1:53 AM
From: United States, Texas
"you are truly a political dinosaur ...+
0000
It may surprise you to learn that capitalism is a much older animal than socialism, the capitalist animal that has brought extreme poverty to 80 percent of the world and a poverty that grows more extreme by the day..
Written by: Belial, 29 Feb 2008 1:33 PM
From: United States, Texas
Havana Cigar Festival Winds up in Cuba
http://www.plenglish.com/article.asp?ID={D66CC0F8-2767-4C03-92AA-A286D76E5E76})&language=EN
Havana, Feb 29 (Prensa Latina) The 10th International Havana Cigar Festival winds up here Friday, after a week of discussion, talks, trade fairs and visits to tobacco factories and plantations.
Over 1,500 participants from 75 nations were satisfied with the program and were able to have a first-hand glance at the quality of Cuban tobacco.
The festival will end tonight with a banquet at the Havana's PABEXPO exhibition center where the traditional cigar auction and the selection of the Havana Cigar Man of the Year will be held.
Awards are given in the category of Communication, Marketing and Production.
Friday´s agenda includes a lecture on the Havana cigar culture and a Habanosommelier contest, combining drinks, cigars and food.
The Havana Cigar Festival is regarded as the most important cigar event in the world.
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
the most important cigar event in the world......this is like saying the most expensive prostitute in the world....smoking is a filthy ,unhealthy,poor mans vice,.......and it costs the world billions in health costs.....comrade belial well known apparachik...and kool aid addict,wants us to believe this is a good thing....Not even the beard thinks so......Take the money and run......your days are numbered and we are counting the moments......VIVA CUBA LIBRE
Written by: Belial, 1 Mar 2008 4:31 PM
From: United States, Texas
GC, you are a worthless philistine.
Climb back into trash can where you reside and close the lid.
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
belial your Haitian roots are showing....you should have more pride in your place of birth
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The DR version is a poor counterfeit of the Cuban version.
That means that our soil and tobacco is not so bad at all, Mr Carlo Fuentes (father and son) are Cubans so they know a lot about quality.
But the DR counterfeit is better that the Honduran counterfeits. Most of the counterfeit Cohiba advertised in the glossy US cigar magazines and the glossy up-and-coming young middle class-business-man magazines are DR counterfeits.
Cuban counter-revolutionaries are involved in both the DR and Honduran counterfeit operations.
Neither the DR nor the Honduran counterfeit operation relies exclusively on domestically produced tobaccos, as is the case in Cuba. The DR and Hondurus import the cheapest tobaccos from all over the world to produce their counterfeits.
At most mall tobacco shops in the USA, you can easily get a DR Cohiba for between $12 and $30. A Honduran counterfeit for as low as $7 with about a $15 max.
The Cuban cigar, which is illegal in the USA, could run you anywhere from $50 to $75 a smoke.
Beware, US hustlers make a lot of money palming-off DR and Honduran counterfeits as the real things.
Personally, I prefer the Macanudo, for me there is no better cigar period!!!!
Macanudo, is made Santiago, Dominican Republic.
0000
In USA commercial propagnda ... cigars, especailly DR counterfeits of Cuban brand named cigars, are marketed via advertisements, product placement in movies and other media, sporting events, cigar-friendly magazines such as "Cigar Aficionado," [for dilettantes] and cigar dinners. Advertisements often include depictions of affluence, sexual imagery, and explicit or implied celebrity endorsement.
Cuban cigars, the real things, have limited themselves to "implied celebrity endorsement."
JFK -- H. Upmanns [The Cuban real things, not counterfeits, even after the US embargo began.]
Fidel -- Cohiba [He quit smoking 20 years ago.]
W. Churchill -- Romeo y Julieta -- [His average household supply was between 4000 and 5000 cigars.]
George Burns and G. Marx -- [They put everthing Cuban in their mouths.]
Is like Consumer Reports magazine (Hopefully you know this magazine) when They endorsed or recommende a product is for quality reasons not other reasons.
You have to see the big connonation of "Cohibas" they are the best of the best but don't tell me that if you smoke something else you smoking bad stuff.
I do smoke a cigar every week so there is lots of Dominican Cigars out there, why You think Carlo Fuentes (father and Son) are located in DR (Advertising reasons too).
Has nothing to do with propaganda but research and tasting
But this is not my point.
My point is that DR fakes of the renown Cuban brand names don't measure up. This is not nor is it intended as a slur of the whole DR cigar industry which makes splendid cigars that don't pretend to be fakes of Cubans but are proudly and shamelessly DR.
Although THE magazine writes extensively about real Cuban cigar isses, it still largely promotes the DR and other fakes of Cuban cigars.
[In PR, as you probably know, the great renegades of Bacardi family produce fakes of present day Cuban rum products for deceitful distribution in Latin American and Europe.]
Yes, the DR fakes far out-sell Cuban cigars in the US market, but the Cubans are illegal in the US market. How can most US consumers judge the respective worth of the cigars, if the repressive US regime threatens to imprison consumers, if they smoke a real Cuban cigar.
Is that a level playing field for competition?
DR gets about 3,000,000 tourists, the highest number in the Caribbean. But I don't know if any leave with smokes that M. Shanken promotes.
In 1992, Cigar Aficionado created the "Cigar Hall of Fame" to recognize families in the cigar industry. To date, six individuals have been inducted into the Hall of Fame for their families' contributions to the cigar industry:
Edgar M. Cullman, Chairman, General Cigar Company, New York, USA
Zino Davidoff, Founder, Davidoff et Cie., Geneva, Switzerland
Carlos Fuente, Sr., Chairman, Tabacalera A. Fuente y Cia., Santiago de los Caballeros, Dominican Republic
Frank Llaneza, Chairman, Villazon & Co., Tampa, Florida, USA
Stanford J. Newman, Chairman, J.C. Newman Cigar Company, Tampa, Florida, USA
Angel Oliva, Sr., Founder, Oliva Tobacco Co., Tampa, Florida, USA
It's the workers, not the capitalists that count.
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Didn't you know?
The cigars are already in the tourists' countries.
When somebody say "I'm going to Cuba." Others often say "Bring back some cigars."
In many European countries, the cigars, ordered in Cuba by a tourist, can be sent, by computer, from a EU warehouse directly to ultimate consumers in Europe or sent to the EU address of the EU tourist visiting Cuba for subsequent distribution by him or her.
Because of the prevalence of fakes, counterfeits, and bourgeois garbage ... including fakes by Cuban-American con artists in Miami ... many cigar smokers like the assurance that their brand-named cigars come directly from where they are supposed to.
There are a number of internet sites where you can avail yourself of these services without touring Cuba.
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So, either a Cuban Communist sympathizer or this rabid pro-imperialist reactionary who claims to reside [or whatever] in Canada.
A reactionary who purports ... without any supporting evidence ... to be omniscient about good things.
Indeed, the evidence that he is informed about these things ... even in the minimalist sense ... is the contrary of his dramatic pretensions.
Encore. Please!
Separate personal opinions with quality.........
However, Carlos Fuentes’s Opus X are among the worlds most sought after cigars.. Hand made en el Cibao and just as good in my opionion.. .
A fake is a trademark infringement. Cuba holds international trademarks on its Cuban cigars but the Cuban American reactionaries... in the business of producing fakes and backed by the US imperialists ... couldn't care less about the international law of trademarks.
After all, this Cuban American, reactionary slime planted bombs in 1976 in a passenger jet and kill everybody on board, planted bombs 1997 in hotel lobbies killing and injuring tourists and Cubans in Havana, and unsuccessfully tried to plant a bomb in 2000, consisting of 34 pounds of C-4 explosives, in an auditorium on the University of Panama campus where Fidel Castro spoke to 3000 students. All of them would have been murdered if the US-backed reactionary slime had been successful.
So, what does reactionary scum care or know about international trademarks?
Cuba can't violate their trademark because it is their right to do anything they want with it.
The boxes as well as cigars were beautiful, but both fakes.
"Try this one, it's only $70. But it's worth it."
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OK, that's why Fidel stopped.
I meant discriminating about smokes.
I'm surprised that you are so sanctimonious about smokes after some of things you've said.
My guess is that the wrappers are Colorado.
Havana, Feb 23 (Prensa Latina) The 10th International Habano Festival will take place next week in this capital with the attendance of professionals and smokers from the world over, many of them already in Cuban soil, indicated industry sources.
Considered one of the most important meetings dealing on tobacco in the planet, this venue -from February 25-29- will gather at least one thousand persons of the five continents interested in habano cigars.
The event features a trade fair, visits to plantations and cigar factories, cigar-tasting and contests. On this occasion there will also be a contest for the Habanos-Armagnac trophy and Habano-sommelier, as well as lectures and debates of great interest.
The past edition attracted 1,600 participants, among them 948 foreignbers for 66 percent of all attendants.
Among the topics to be discussed in the event are "The architecture of factories and warehouses, women and the history of the tobacco sector and the Oldest History of Tobacco, among others.
As is usual, the program includes the Distributors Dinner, dedicated this year to Germany and Switzerland and the closing Gala where the Habano Prizes of the Year are
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GC is another philistine who doesn't understand what a smoke is.
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In the Marxist sense, one who discounts the relevance and utility of theory or one who only pretends to have theoretical knowledge
In the bourgeois sense, one who feels and shows a smug indifference to intellectual, artistic, and cultural matters
In the divine sense, a people better known today as the Palestinians, who persist for thousands of years in resisting the voracious and expansionist Israelis, going back to the combat between David and Goliath, the philistine fighter. Some Israelis believe that the boss of all the divine beings, a certain "God," picked the Israelis as his favorite out of all of humanity and sic them forever, like vicious dogs, upon the philistines or the people of Palestine.
The divine sense have very little to do with bourgeois and Marxist senses of the term.
In Marxist literature, the term philistine has fallen into disuse because it is often considered uncomradely.
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We shouldn't limit ourselves to the Marxist and bourgeois sides of things.
Why not also consider their divine side?
Propelled by his conceit, the bourgeois is so confident of his infallibility and omniscience that he almost never considers other sides of the question.
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It may surprise you to learn that capitalism is a much older animal than socialism, the capitalist animal that has brought extreme poverty to 80 percent of the world and a poverty that grows more extreme by the day..
http://www.plenglish.com/article.asp?ID={D66CC0F8-2767-4C03-92AA-A286D76E5E76})&language=EN
Havana, Feb 29 (Prensa Latina) The 10th International Havana Cigar Festival winds up here Friday, after a week of discussion, talks, trade fairs and visits to tobacco factories and plantations.
Over 1,500 participants from 75 nations were satisfied with the program and were able to have a first-hand glance at the quality of Cuban tobacco.
The festival will end tonight with a banquet at the Havana's PABEXPO exhibition center where the traditional cigar auction and the selection of the Havana Cigar Man of the Year will be held.
Awards are given in the category of Communication, Marketing and Production.
Friday´s agenda includes a lecture on the Havana cigar culture and a Habanosommelier contest, combining drinks, cigars and food.
The Havana Cigar Festival is regarded as the most important cigar event in the world.
Climb back into trash can where you reside and close the lid.