Dominicans bleaching at works !!!!!!

Perception, Are you serious??

I know you are upset that some Dominicans don't recongnize their african roots but not all feel that way. Also, DR is not a totally black republic and some Dominicans don't actually have any african roots.

Its not for me to judge that!!!!!

exactly.

Bleaching??? Excuse me!!!

Chlorinating then !!!!!

Sorry Perception, just because you might or might not be black, doesn't mean we all are.

Buenoha Quoted: He could be a Dominican like anyone could.

Yeah she means in the mulit-cultural sense. Especially if he was born in Santiago as it claims. It could be possible.

Many confusing "Race" and "Attitude"

I don't know where people come up with these false stories. Luis Miguel is the son of Spanish singer Luis Gallegos better known as Luisito Rey (Frente A Una Copa De Vino) and an Italian model who passed away when LM was younger. He was born in Puerto Rico and grew up in Mexico. He has dual citizenship.

My opinion?

Why should anyone care? What good or bad will it do for anyone where LM is from?

Where is LM from? that's a question people should ask him. I bet he feels Mexican. If he ever had to choose he will probably choose Mexican even if his roots are in Pluto.

Andres Garcia also a Platano (Dominican) was raised in Mexico and are faithful to it because they learn to love Mexico just like a lot of people come to the USA and never leave just because they love it here. And dont waste time on race or color because "beauty is in the eye of the beholder."


Progreso thats all it matters.

I wouldn't be surprised, there are a lot of Dominicans that once they move out the island, deny where they from and adopt another nationality, and l am not trying to say that Luis Miguel know he is platanero and deny it. I don't think is though.

Andres Garcia knows where he was born and does not deny his Dominican birth, nor his siblings. I have clearly seen this in interviews to the Garcia family. And to be realistic, his family does not have to show any loyalty to the DR since they were Spaniards that migrated, had children (Andres and other siblings) and eventually moved on to better and bigger things, but with this, many of the Garcia family members, including his mother, who was born Spain, consider the DR as a big part of their life and to some extent consider themselves Dominican.

Luis Mi? even if this happens to be true, you cannot blame him for ignoring it or even denying it.. he does not have roots, memories to attach him there.

I agree with the above comment - SO WHAT? Whether these pop-icons are dominican or not, and and RD$90 will get me a Jumbo ;-)

Don't you see the irony here? Here you have people who may or may not be rejecting their Dominican roots, and we clamor/dream for them to say yes, I'm Dominican. And at the same time, you have people born here, raised here, work here who are rejected, denied their dominicanness. Do you now see the irony?

More and more I grow restless with the wide range oppressive nature of our society - if you fit one mold, you're in; if you don't, you're out! There is no ONE mold; there is no ONE dominican culture... whoever claims there is only one, I will show them many others.

We are a heterogeneous people being FORCED to fit into one mold - which is great for the people fit the mold (like LM), but for those who don't (women, gays, poor, dark-skined, fat, aged, mentally/physically ill...) are screwed. Is this not the nature of oppression?

Case in point, yesterday I was in La Vega @ the Carnival. I'm lucky to know people worth knowing, so I was invited up to the "Orange Tarima." Well, I got a little tired of the view "from above", so my friend and I went down to mix with the popular classes. Well, there I saw an "Orange" dude trying to give this GORGEOUS (Foreign) blond a band so that she can join the other elites on the platform. When she asked for more bands for her Dominican Friends, the dude said there's only one, sorry... In actuallity, the dude had more, b/c a few minutes later he gave two other gringos arm-bands. You can draw your own conclusions from this anecdote. What I gather was, the dominant group - the ones who control who's in and out- want to showcase a certain look, if you don't fit that look, you better know someone to let you in (like my friend who invited us), or you're OUT! What's worse, on the platform we get free drinks, while the people below have to spend money getting what we got for free.

Baldoria23, You know it. Dominicans cater to foreigners rather than there own! It's sad but true. HOwever, in U.S. that also happens. It's not exclusive to DR. It's a world-wide crisis.

Sorry NYLife, I have to agree and disagree with you. The US doesn't cater to foreigners - there are millions of Mexicans, filipinos, dominicans, polish, russians, and chinese who would back me up. The US caters to "beautiful" and/or rich people.

At the same time, I agree with you that we (the world) do have an idea of what we find appealing; but like Foucault argues, our wants, our desires, our perception of what is good and what is bad, our perception of truth and beauty are all social constructs... a product of the power mechanisms we live in. These power mechanisms mold us in such a way that all our actions go to support their existence and continuance. Power is everywhere b/c it comes from everywhere. We want to be "beautiful" b/c we see beautiful people getting all sorts of perks; but they get these b/c there is a conscious decision to reward these people, making their traits attractive to the rest of us...

baldy your post gives you away you liked the GORGEOUS blond but not the gringos who got the armbands....come on again with the Uber racist routine... what were you doing sucking up to the elites with your friends worth knowing......bitter hypocrite....getting free drinks while the people are paying and suffering in the streets below...wow you got a complex...what happened you one of those guys who got deported from gringolandia with a bad attitude

I disagree with the kind of people allowed in the Orange tarima. First of all the armbands are not for elite people only, is for their clients too. I worked with them in last year as a doctor, and that cave is very boring. The thing in Dominican Republic is that they discrimate the hip hop culture. The clubs that i used to frequent to did not allow people wearing baggy pants, earrings, big chains etc, to enter. I'm not blonde or rich and I was allow to enter to those clubs (Baha {now called Dolce}, Zoom, Etc) in Santiago wich is close to La vega. I also studied in a "High Class" university, and i never felt rejection from my richer classmates.

thank god some one discriminates against Hip Hop hideous noise that it is....The thug attire that goes with it is also a sign of very low intelligence....there should be a bounty on rounding these people up and put them in camps until they have been indoctrinated into the human race....Usually liking this hideous stuff goes away with the passing of adolesence ....not soon enough

Wow "gouletcnl" you must be a really depressed and lonely individual. Hip Hop, reggeaton, Bachata which all have thier own identifing factors when it comes to styles and trends have been adapted on a global scale and you want to discrimanate against that.. ......................



?do you wear penny lofers?

Please do not include the folkloric music Bachata with the other two hideous noises.....the death penalty is to good for practitioners of that thug music..... or perhaps never be allowed to graduate from junior high school.....or not be given any allowance money on weekends

First you go for the Hip Hop THugs, then for the Regguetoneros, then for the Bachateros, then for the Merengueros, then for YOU!

Trying to impose a "sigle" identity is discriminatory, divisive, and oppressive. Go read the article on dicrimination and oppresison in the DR - Opinion section.

cheers,

on the contrary ...sorry you misunderstood....I meant bachata does have folkloric value and should not be included with the other two hideous noises

To you Bachata may now be part of "Hideous noises", but to someone else it may be. So protecting one form of music, is protecting all of them.

You see, here in lies a political conflict of many people: They think their views are the most important, but others may view their position as "Hideous Noise." How can we reconcile this, by protecting the rights of all to express thier views, b/c as I've always maintain, discrimination against our most vulnerable is discrimination against all!

are you mentally challenged....you have misread my post again....http://www.dominicantoday.com/dr/....d-that/2008/2/27/27166/Puer...May be this will help you understand....I am sure baldy you would be a fan of this noise{NOT BACHATA} because you are very young or mentally challenged

Listen GC, I think you're rabies is affecting your reading capabilities. You are trying to discriminate against hip-hop culture, I am calling you out as a bigot, and that's the gist of it.

If you do not want to be a bigot, then stop posting such gross generalization of hate and discrimination.

I won’t have internet access for a while, so write a lot so I can post later on this weekend.

Cheers,

baldy you are the uber racist not me...you equate attempted music and my distaste for it as some kind of racism......to everyone their musical tastes are theirs for you to equate mine with bigotry only shows your racist chip on your shoulder....hopefully your time on stage is coming to an end....you will find out that through hard work that you can overcome anything.....so stop whining and complaining....

hip hop culture is an oxymoron in very few years just the phrase"hip hop culture " will be a punchline of many jokes

GC you and your comments are a punchline for jokes. Your capability of analysis is warped by your biased views. sir/Madam, you need to take a step back and ask yourself what is your point of view and what are the pro's and con's of that. I am not objective, I am for a more just and inclusive society, where bigots, like yourself, are shunned by popular culture. Your discriminatory and offensive views will not disappear, but atleast society will shame you so that you'll never show your hidious face.

We in this forum have urged you to be more polite, but alas your steadfast childish nature shows how much work it takes to change a bigot's mind. Dear sir/madam, I pray that you see the error of your ways - more important than in your views, but the way you interact with people. We all see you as a raving lunatic, starve for attention, so you make all these outlandish claims. But mark my words, we're not going away and we'll call you out on your simple-minded points and abrasive nature.

And we, at least me, won't be bullied. I can go head to head (intellectually) with you any day. So if you don't want to be attacked anymore, maybe you should change your approach. I hate wasting my time with you, but if someone doesn't speak up, you'll just keep going.

Let me ask you something - why are you so abrassive? and can you not deliver your message without being so offensive? I encourage you try an experiement: try to be polite for 1 week and see how people receive you. Are you willing to do that?

I again apologize for my offensive behavior......sorry I cannot help myself.......the targets are to huge...and I am from the pinata school of debaters.....dont take it personally

sounds good GC. keep on with your comments. It's good to have diversity of positions.

thank you...... may I quote you.