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Paris.– US actor Danny Glover, who plans an epic next year on Haitian independence hero Toussaint-Louverture, said he slaved to raise funds for the movie because financiers complained there were no white heroes.

"Producers said 'It's a nice project, a great project... where are the white heroes?'" he told the press during a stay in Paris this month for a seminar on film.

"I couldn't get the money here, I couldn't get the money in Britain. I went to everybody. You wouldn't believe the number of producers based in Europe, and in the States, that I went to," he said.

D"The first question you get, is 'Is it a black film?' All of them agree, it's not going to do good in Europe, it's not going to do good in Japan.

"Somebody has to prove that to be a lie!", he said. "Maybe I'll have the chance to prove it."

"Toussaint," Glover's first project as film director, is about Francois Dominique Toussaint Louverture (1743-1803), a former slave and one of the fathers of Haiti's independence from France in 1804, making it the first black nation to throw off imperial rule and become a republic.

The uprising he led was bloodily put down in 1802 by 20,000 soldiers dispatched to the Caribbean by Napoleon Bonaparte, who then re-established slavery after its ban by the leaders of the French Revolution.

Due to be shot in Venezuela early next year, the film will star Don Cheadle, Mos Def, Wesley Snipes and Angela Bassett.

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Written by: pappabowie, 26 Jul 2008 12:52 PM
From: Afghanistan, BAF
The white people are probably all machete'd to death before the troops can restore order :)
Written by: Belial, 26 Jul 2008 1:44 PM
From: United States, Texas
Danny Glover is a multi-millionaire capitalist, as much as a $100 million net worth, some say.

But, contrary to bourgeois slime, he is strongly and everlastingly anti-imperialist in point of view.

If this Haitian project is a hit ( as were quite a few of his past projects), who knows what Danny will become?

It's amazing that slimy reactionaries, like GC and anthonyC ... the two Cs ..., without a nickel in their pockets, subsisting off of a monthly crazy check from the government, grovel like mange dogs before US imperialists.

But a bloated capitalist like Danny, bulging with money ... he's not the only one, don't forget Sean Penn, as another example, perhaps, you've heard of him ... possesses the morality and strength of character, notwithstanding their distasteful class and social position, to stand up and confront the infinite evil of US imperialism.



Written by: Belial, 26 Jul 2008 1:48 PM
From: United States, Texas

In our anti-capitalism zeal and zest, we must never fail to distinguish between capitalists, (the vast majority) who are totally rotten and capitalists who at least have some degree of morality.
Written by: Belial, 26 Jul 2008 2:19 PM
From: United States, Texas
"I couldn't get the money here, I couldn't get the money in Britain. I went to everybody. You wouldn't believe the number of producers based in Europe, and in the States, that I went to," the DT quotes Danny.

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So, where did Danny Glover get the money to make the picture without a virulent infestation of the inaptly-named "white heroes?"

He got $18,000,000 from the revolutionary workers of Venezuela.

"Danny, here's the money, now make us a good picture that exposes the degenerates who brainwash the US people from their headquarters in Hollywood," the class conscious workers of Venezuela said.

"White heroes" in reality are largely genocidal savages or "conquistadors."

Latin Americans and Caribbeans are mostly brainwashed by bourgeois regimes into believing that the very savages, the "white heroes," who slaughtered them are their "mother countries," their "discoverers," their "truest friends," and, above all, the "saviors of their souls."

Written by: Belial, 26 Jul 2008 2:20 PM
From: United States, Texas
"Showing "valor,' the 'white heroe' slaughtered us, so, he must love us," the servile and vile pro-capitalist scum of the region teaches LA/C children.

Written by: pappabowie, 26 Jul 2008 2:27 PM
From: Afghanistan, BAF
That's right, now straighten up and act right or we will cut off your food supplies and watch you all breed yourselves into starving oblivian :)
Written by: Belial, 26 Jul 2008 2:43 PM
From: United States, Texas
" 'Toussaint,' Glover's first project as film director, is about Francois Dominique Toussaint Louverture (1743-1803), a former slave and one of the fathers of Haiti's independence from France in 1804, making it the first black nation to throw off imperial rule and become a republic. "

oooo

The heroic Haitians and Dominicans [whatever their color], the later joint occupants of the island, were the first people [PERIOD] --black, white, yellow, brown, or red -- to throw off French imperial rule under Napoleon anywhere in the world, not just and deprecatingly " the first black [BLACK] nation to throw off imperial rule."

Russia and Waterloo were no big deals after Haiti.

At that time of the Haitian victory, the white nations were running, with disgusting cowardice, from Napoleon like church rats listening to the sound of a door open.
Written by: CarlosFranco, 26 Jul 2008 2:57 PM
From: United States, Brooklyn
Wesley Snipe is in JAIL.... NO FILM
Written by: Belial, 26 Jul 2008 3:26 PM
From: United States, Texas
"Wesley Snipe is in JAIL.... NO FILM"

oooo

He's only framed, the appeals are going on.
Written by: jemesouviens1804, 26 Jul 2008 3:28 PM
From: United States, Spring Valley, NY
The film was already made and its going to be coming out sometime next year. I can't hardly wait for this.
Written by: Belial, 26 Jul 2008 3:30 PM
From: United States, Texas
"To Dominicans who knows History ,Toussaint Louverture is no more than a savage murderer,"

0000

It's sad ... or even sorrowful ... that imperialist brainwashing can reach this level of efficacy.
Written by: Belial, 26 Jul 2008 3:37 PM
From: United States, Texas
"That's right, now straighten up and act right or we will cut off your food supplies and watch you all breed yourselves into starving oblivian :)"


0000


CAFTA will soon destroy the agricultural base of the DR economy by heavily subsidized US food exports.

It will be too late then to snivel.
Written by: JabaoHaitian, 26 Jul 2008 3:43 PM
From: Haiti
To ignorant dominicans that know propaganda history and hand fed think T. Louverture as a murder but he was the most courageous out of all and manipulated France and Spain by joining both sides that agreed to abolish slavery. He also wanted peace and common ground with france but Napoleon couldn't allow himself to be defeat by a negro and see him as equal which lead to his one way ticket to prison in France..Fort de Joux where he died but the seed of freedom by negros and mulattos was formed and the revolution continued...Louverture was the founder of Barahona just in case you didn't know. Unless u are the minority elite spaniard/elite that lost money and left the island Louverture should be your hero as well.. You know dam well dominicans that left poverty in DR to immigrate to the USA aren't part of that minority group who still run the DR...I think this movie didn't get support because it would dispell the myths of the haitian revolution and show the atrocities of the French.
Written by: Belial, 26 Jul 2008 3:50 PM
From: United States, Texas
"Sean Penn is SO gay...no wonder he is such a darling of the left, "

oooo

George W. Bush was not only a habitue of Montrose bars in Houston ... often drunk, Bush also leased for two years an apartment in Montrose area.

Bush's roomate in graduate school at Harvard was fellow Houstonian and oil heir Michael Huffington (Ariana's ex) who outed himself in the January 2000 Esquire edition.

Montrose is the biggest part of gay town in Houston.

By the way, McCain was called, by US prisoners, the tart of the Hanoi Hilton.

Written by: GhoulishColon This user is banned, 26 Jul 2008 3:50 PM
From: United States
How about throwing a bunch of White waiters, White butlers, White servants and White parking attendants to please everybody .. come on Danny .. do it ..
Written by: gouletcolonial This user is banned, 26 Jul 2008 3:56 PM
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
You want good waiters or you want strait waiters
Written by: rom1804 This user is banned, 26 Jul 2008 3:59 PM
From: Zimbabwe
ANthony STFU you don't even pay taxes yourself you illegal MEXICAN
Written by: BASTA, 26 Jul 2008 4:07 PM
From: Dominican Republic, =Ghetto/Legalize Drugs/Free abortions for all Never Confuse Education with Intelligence
To Dominicans who knows History ,Toussaint Louverture is no more than a savage murderer. Not True- It was the French who were the savages!Swine!Pigs! and worse!
Written by: Belial, 26 Jul 2008 4:12 PM
From: United States, Texas
"To Dominicans who knows History ,Toussaint Louverture is no more than a savage murderer. Not True- It was the French who were the savages!Swine!Pigs! and worse!"

oooo

Exactly.

One of the mother- f...... mother countries.
Written by: gouletcolonial This user is banned, 26 Jul 2008 4:27 PM
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
Belial Did you ever see them in the audience while you were lip synching " Second Hand Rose " from the stage ?
Written by: gouletcolonial This user is banned, 26 Jul 2008 4:32 PM
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
I understand you are also a Jazz musician .....You play the swinette...for those of you who are unfamiliar ...It is two horse hairs stretched tightly across a swines behind and you pick it with your teeth and you also play the bonaphone quite accomplished you are Belial
Written by: Belial, 26 Jul 2008 4:45 PM
From: United States, Texas
And what about the former Montrose streetwalker George W. Bush?
Written by: gouletcolonial This user is banned, 26 Jul 2008 4:47 PM
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
Did you ever get lucky with him belial....what a scandal ..W slept here ...you slut !
Written by: gouletcolonial This user is banned, 26 Jul 2008 4:57 PM
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
Hey Z man ...whats happening ?
Written by: Belial, 26 Jul 2008 5:36 PM
From: United States, Texas
"This movie, if made, will win tons of awards at sundance and Caan then will play in a few art-houses then it is straight to the back of the Blockbuster DVD racks."

oooo

Within the critics' community that doesn't march to the drumbeat of the US bourgeois state, Danny's picture will rise or fall on its cinemagraphic merits.

At the box office, it's a struggle to get enough screens ... that is, screens outside of the art houses ... to show progressive films in a country, like the narrowminded USA, where a filthy reactionary and degenerate sector of the GOP electorate/constituency calls the shots.
Written by: talia, 26 Jul 2008 6:29 PM
From: United States
on that note did anyone see Batmans "The Dark Night", lol!


This is a topic for Wil having to do with films and Haitianos.
Written by: jemesouviens1804, 26 Jul 2008 6:32 PM
From: United States, Spring Valley, NY
Hmmm and I bet a film of Duarte will do better huh, jander.
Written by: Belial, 26 Jul 2008 6:46 PM
From: United States, Texas
"on that note did anyone see Batmans "The Dark Night", lol!"

oooo

Yeah, all of the heroes in this silly fictitious drama are white or high yellow mulattoes, fighting for the vain Caucasoid or imperial agenda.

Boring beyond belief or endurance.
Written by: gouletcolonial This user is banned, 26 Jul 2008 7:00 PM
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
Danny Glover director you will see better film on teeth belial.....Hugo is giving away the peoples money by the wheelbarrow full
Written by: Lautaro, 26 Jul 2008 9:29 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Bring DT Forum Back
This movie might get some decent acclaim on some liberal states up north (like NY for example), but I haves serious doubts about its chances on the states of the old confederate south.
Written by: gouletcolonial This user is banned, 26 Jul 2008 9:35 PM
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
Lautaro what difference does it make....the chances of a first time director making a good film are low ...Don Cheadle is a very good actor....but the film has long odds
Written by: Belial, 26 Jul 2008 9:39 PM
From: United States, Texas
"Danny Glover director you will see better film on teeth belial.....Hugo is giving away the peoples money by the wheelbarrow full"

oooo


Although US audiences are not acustomed to truth out of Hollywood or any place else, I wouldn't sell US auciences short in the case of a historical Haitian drama.
Written by: Belial, 26 Jul 2008 9:42 PM
From: United States, Texas
After incurably lying Hollywood, nothing can be more mendacious than Hollywood's comments on Danny Glover's film.
Written by: Belial, 26 Jul 2008 10:04 PM
From: United States, Texas
"but I haves serious doubts about its chances on the states of the old confederate south ..."

OOOO

The filthy "confeds" were traitors who sought to destroy the USA and almost succeeded.

These southern degenerates are for the most part still traitors seeking to destroy the USA when it is conceived as the US PEOPLE under the US CONSTITUTION.

Slimy "Confed" scum sees the US Constitution as "nothing but a Goddamn piece of paper."
http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_7779.shtml

These traitors have always viewed the US CONSTITUTION as Goddamn piece of paper.

Believe it or not.
Written by: Lautaro, 26 Jul 2008 10:38 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Bring DT Forum Back
I have heard that this movie might be based on the book "The Black Jacobins" by C.L.R. James, so it's a given that it will have enough marxist references to your heart´s delight, Belial.
Written by: antonioj, 26 Jul 2008 10:54 PM
From: Canada, Ottawa.. Bring the Forum back
"carbelk99, 26 Jul 2008 2:59 PM
From: United States
To Dominicans who knows History ,Toussaint Louverture is no more than a savage murderer.
"
Sorry to disappoint you most Dominicans do not know jack about their history, only the distorted garbages that are fed to them, just like the Spaniard falsified the truth about the conquest to downplay the Incas assistances, no doubt there are past precedence here. The french, the british are not notorious for that. It can not get any more personal than that, calling a known hero and my hero a savage where are you getting your education from jer--k.
Written by: Belial, 26 Jul 2008 11:00 PM
From: United States, Texas
"I have heard that this movie might be based on the book "The Black Jacobins" by C.L.R. James, so it's a given that it will have enough marxist references to your heart´s delight, Belial," Lautaro consoles.

oooo

"The Black Jacobins" by CLR James is a supreme masterpiece of historical and biographical literature, translated into almost every langauage on earth, even though the author was a poor black Caribbean from TT, not the usual Caucasoid slime self-servingly defending imperialism, colonialism and neo-colonialism.

I suppose O'Neil's "Emperor Jones" and the Bard's " Othello" are more to your taste, Lautaro.
Written by: anthonyC, 27 Jul 2008 12:17 AM
From: United States
"not the usual Caucasoid slime self-servingly defending imperialism, colonialism and neo-colonialism."

And then they wonder why we call Belail and his buddies racist.

Don't even bother to reply. it will only make you look even more like the ignorant, hateful racist pig you are.
Written by: Lautaro, 27 Jul 2008 12:41 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Bring DT Forum Back
Belial said: "I suppose O'Neil's "Emperor Jones" and the Bard's " Othello" are more to your taste, Lautaro."

Nope. I dislike tragedies with a passion. The only one that have ever had my interest have been Dumas' "Chevalier de la Maison Rouge".
Written by: gouletcolonial This user is banned, 27 Jul 2008 12:53 AM
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
Let us return to film reference ....Belial has in the past had small parts in some important films....He played the kid who played the banjo in" Deliverance " and the less animated part of the Gimp in" Pulp Fiction"and will be auditioning for the part of the barnyard rapist in "Toussaint,"
Written by: JabaoHaitian, 27 Jul 2008 9:04 AM
From: Haiti
It is sad in this day in age where supposedly in a society where injustice should be revealed so that his-story can be brought to light. Too bad the true savages and murderers dont want this story to be told. Now we should all ask ourselves why doesn't this story get the support of mainstream where we are now in a point where all colours see beyond race. WE need to ponder on this and ask urself do we live in an equal society? What's worse is some victims or so brainwash that they call a great hero a savage. Then i guess teh spaniards.french.brits are your heros. What are dominicans abroad learning. I can take one in the DR thinking this way but those that have all resources FREE dont know the simple things. Generalising here and pardon b4 hand for those that dont fit that category
Written by: gouletcolonial This user is banned, 27 Jul 2008 9:26 AM
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
That is BS why did it not get made because ....they did not think they could sell it thats why ....they would sell a turd if they thought they would make money....they are having the same problem with CHE nobody wants to buy it yet....and that was made by the mainstream people not mickeymousers like Danny the Dork and Hugo the Moron....always looking for the race angle ....Obama and Tiger Woods and Allan Lewis did not whine their way to where they are ....Pay attention whiner
Written by: gouletcolonial This user is banned, 27 Jul 2008 9:58 AM
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
...the life of slaves in the Caribbean was far worse than in the Americas...you cannot imagine the Danish west indies or Barbados this was far worse than life over all in New Orleans for example and the French of the Caribbean were the worst...the people of the Caribbean have slavery running through their veins just like the blacks of the old south .....it is not my place to discuss degrees of inhumanity practised against others..Or with Population levels of the Spanish Antilles versus the smaller islands of the English speaking Caribbean....But American blacks do not have a monopoly on injustice the native Hawaians and the Native Indians can you imagine the hard ships and injustices .....then the immigrants themselves with their Pogroms and famines,life is not easy press on....Bitterness and resentment will gain you nothing....nada ....zero
Written by: Jander, 27 Jul 2008 10:56 AM
From: Dominican Republic
What film of Duarte,? I am an Action and Adventure kinda of guy the fewer speaking parts the better. I am also a Capitalist so my opinion is very biased.

I am sure this film will be very interesting and I will catch on DVD (Blue Ray) .

Think about this though while you are eating your popcorn and chewing your Milk Dud's .

With Haiti's Crisis would'nt $18,000,000.00 feed a lot of kids or buy seeds to plant and grow food.

I doubt that after this thing flops in the Box Office that there will be little if anything left over to help Haiti.
This film is being produced for Danny Glovers ego nothing more..




Written by: Jander, 27 Jul 2008 11:04 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Danny Boy's Bio:

Leftist activist, and virulent anti-American Danny Glover ""

Venezuelan filmmakers last year slammed the investment.

"It is Mr Glover who should be bringing dollars to Venezuela," the National Association of Film Makers and the Venezuelan Chamber of Film Producers said in an open letter.

Glover, a longtime activist, has supported Chavez's political revolution since he was first elected in 1998.

After making his debut with a bit role in 1979 movie starring Clint Eastwood, "Escape From Alcatraz", Glover played in films such as "Silverado" and "Witness" but grabbed wide attention after Steven Spielberg's 1985 movie "The Color Purple".

He is probably most widely known as "Lethal Weapon" co-star with Mel Gibson.

"He wasn't so Anti-American back then when he was rolling in the dough"

Another fake using his money and fame to bite the hands that fed him!
Written by: jemesouviens1804, 27 Jul 2008 6:50 PM
From: United States, Spring Valley, NY
Admit it Jander, the only reason you don't like Glover and think the movie will flop is simply because Glover supports Haitians and the movie is about Toussaint, a Haitian historical figure. Thats how it is with most of you Dominicans. Haiti=negative. But let Glover make a movie glorifying Duarte, and every Dominicans will be praising him. Thats how it is plain and simple. A movie of Duarte will be right next to Brokeback Mountain in the back of Blockbuster. I wouldn't even be surprise if your govt tries to block this film in DR.
Written by: JRRubirosa, 27 Jul 2008 8:17 PM
From: United States, Port Washington, LI (New York)
JabaoHaitian and Jemmesouviens:

What's the big deal with the movie??


Jabao: I thought you were more civilized and educated but guess Your genetic lineage betrayed You.
Written by: gouletcolonial This user is banned, 27 Jul 2008 10:40 PM
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
Belials cinematic triumph....his famous part ....his shot at stardom... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4HlZalchIkk
Written by: Jander, 28 Jul 2008 12:24 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Well Mr. jemesouviens1804, I think if you do your research Wannabee Danny supports Hugo Chavez.

And no where have I ever said said anything derogatory towards Haiti.

In fact I think my argument was to donate the cash rather then make a movie only Haitians could be interested in? And while on that subject if Mel Gibson wannabe loves Haiti then why not film it there ? Give the locals some work and the country a spot in the limelight.

The only Duarate I know is the AutoPista and an area in Santo Domingo that sells crap in the streets.

If you want to feud about Haiti and DR stuff go after JRRubirosa, he will give you a run for your money .
Written by: gouletcolonial This user is banned, 28 Jul 2008 1:05 AM
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
Jander Rubi already whupped him ....you made a good point make the movie in Haiti or donate the money what a bunch of phoney do gooders
Written by: jemesouviens1804, 28 Jul 2008 8:05 AM
From: United States, Spring Valley, NY
See the problem with you Jander is that you take something so simple as a movie and try to relate it to Haiti's poitical ills. This type of behavior is unfair. Futhermore, you go and degrade the movie when you haven't heard any reviews or even seen a trailer for it, which trust showcases you bias against anything pertaining to Haiti. GC, I want you to pay attention to what Im writing okay....If I don't assert to you by your name, please stay in your lane okay.
Written by: gouletcolonial This user is banned, 28 Jul 2008 8:19 AM
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
Jsouviens...It is possible but a extreme long shot based on the info at hand that this movie will become main stream or of any quality........These are vanity projects and political hand jobs...the film Burn is the prime example of this genre ....starring Marlon Brando from the 60s or early 70s
Written by: JabaoHaitian, 28 Jul 2008 9:27 AM
From: Haiti
To all negative commentators, why make this into a political issue. Danny Glovers political ideas nor Chavez's have anything to do with this. They are just raising the awareness of one of the greatest moments in history in the americas. As mention b4 why isn't this movie supported mainstream & globally? This goes beyond the obvious where a group of people don't want anything positive to come out of Haiti. We can have sympathy for holocaust but none for the black holocaust. This has nothing to do with whining rather it's fact that Haiti rocked the boat of imperialism and gave the conquerors a taste of their own medicine. This movie should be the interest of all latin americans and others that have been oppressed. The midwest would be speaking french and part of Frances territory if Haiti didn't make Napoleon go broke trying to retain Saint Domingue. Dominicans should be interested too since this has to do (extension) with your history unless u think it started 1844.
Written by: JabaoHaitian, 28 Jul 2008 9:41 AM
From: Haiti
Jemesouviens excellent points. Many are bad mouthiing the movie b4 they've even seen it rather they are attacking the beliefs of Mr Glover and Mr Chavez. This has nothing to do with leftiest ideas of the above. Why aren't the philanthropist supporting this movie and have the urge to show the world the courage of all haitians(black & mulatto) to take their freedom by FORCE. Dont we live in a society where we most confront our past to live in harmony today? Or are we just selective of what type of atrocities should be accepted and people have compassion for. This movie is a big deal to all and especially haitians. Rubi, dont get it twisted my friend I am proud being Haitian and will speak the truth. Dont you have some guineos to sell? Chiripiando en la calle.lol. You can be in the usa but you are still a chiripero. This is an american story and should be supported by all that were oppressed and liberals that what to make this a better world.
Written by: anthonyC, 28 Jul 2008 9:49 AM
From: United States
"They are just raising the awareness of one of the greatest moments in history in the americas. As mention b4 why isn't this movie supported mainstream & globally? "

Yep the systematic genocide of a nation by your hero is a high-point of history.

If that is your hero no wonder Haiti is such a mess.
Written by: gouletcolonial This user is banned, 28 Jul 2008 9:51 AM
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
How many times do you want the same answer " hollywood " would sell a turd if it could there is no market for a political vanity film ie. " CHE " or if you like google the movie "BURN " with Brando ....It did not draw flies and it is the proto type for this kind of dumbass project ....Hugos money and Dannys lefty ideas will make a crummy film that wont sell except to Haitans...This is a political hand job...Remember the movie " CHE " was made by pros not mickeymousers and they cant sell that huge Turkey
Written by: gouletcolonial This user is banned, 28 Jul 2008 9:56 AM
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
Review of Burn Reviewed by Glenn Erickson

Gillo Pontecorvo's stature as a political filmmaker will forever rest on his achievement in Battle of Algiers. Burn! came out well into a Marxist mini-revolution in the Italian cinema. It reached America just before our own short-lived trifling with revolutionary themes, which in reality amounted to little more than a few longhair art pictures - big studios were turning out drek like Che! Burn! played because it was considered a commercial hopeful, even with Marlon Brando at a career low ... this was the kind of picture that made him an iffy prospect to star in The Godfather three years later. Even the new title reflects the Hollywood desire to co-opt revolution as a commercial genre: Burn! sounds like a bogus epic about Black Power.
Written by: JabaoHaitian, 28 Jul 2008 10:16 AM
From: Haiti
AnthonyC, what the hell are you talking about. L'ouverture didn't commit genocide. Please read a book or have some one read it for you since you appear to lack comprehension. GC, I see what your talking about. It will not make bucks because this movie is hard to sell. Now my thing is why is that when we are supposedly in a society where we have come a long way. Doesn't mainstream have the same interest to find know of the struggles of the Haitian people fighting the Goliath of that time. I am more getting at getting this story out to the world so they can become aware of the atrocities commited. Che's movie is another hard to sell because he wasn't walking on egg shell and would have awaken the dormant in latin america to fight for justice. Movies like these aren't for popcorn and leisure but for those seeking the truth and have a thirst for knowledge. Unfortunately, these types are a minority. It's an american history untold or rarely mentioned.
Written by: Lautaro, 28 Jul 2008 10:29 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Bring DT Forum Back
I'm surprised by the fact that this story isn't mentioned at all on the African American parades of January in the US, considering that his struggle was even more relevant to the cause of African Americans than anything that MLK or Malcolm X could ever had done, not that I'm minimizing their struggle, mind you, but seeing the proportions of Toussaint's struggle in comparison to what they faced, his continuing omission on those remembrance ceremonies seems like an act of ingratittude to me.
Written by: JabaoHaitian, 28 Jul 2008 10:36 AM
From: Haiti
Lautaro, unfortunately blacks in the USA dont know much about world events beyond there border. Well even white americans are not too knowledgeable about world events either. I think in due time alot of blacks in the USA are becoming aware of Toussaint L'ouverture and of latin america in general. That's why a movie about one of the great heros in Latin America should be told to those in N. America and Europe.
Written by: gouletcolonial This user is banned, 28 Jul 2008 10:37 AM
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
Good point Lautaro ....I believe this is a case of omission by historical teaching and bias by location and race...Yes this is a gigantic story in black history for the new world and yes it has been overlooked
Written by: JabaoHaitian, 28 Jul 2008 11:02 AM
From: Haiti
Haitian history goes beyond black history. Haiti was a refuge for all oppressed people and the original habitants of the island who were extinguish due to the savagery of the conquerors. Thus, Haiti is the original name given to Saint Domingue to attribute the indigenous that lost their lives. American education system lacks in so many department which doesn't exclude it's history department where they aren't taught about world history. How many americans can even find haiti/DR on a map? Not trying to dis-credit the americans here but geography isn't there strongest point. In due time americans especially blacks are broadening there horizon beyond US soil.
Written by: Lautaro, 28 Jul 2008 11:12 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Bring DT Forum Back
When you look at it closely, that flaw is an enormous one, considering that they (the US) are the world's sole superpower. At least the brits citizens, when they were on top, could recite every part of their empire, with the times of inclusion, included. It makes it appear as if they owe their fortune to blind luck.
Written by: jemesouviens1804, 28 Jul 2008 11:14 AM
From: United States, Spring Valley, NY
The US mainstream loves drama, revolutions, uprising, and war. If this movie is accurate to the events that happened, I can't see a reason why it won't be successful in theaters. Look at movies like Hotel Rwanda, Amistad, Roots,and Blood Diamond, these are all movies that were successful within the US media. I don't comprehend why you guys don't think this movie wont do as good or better. Its either you all are tough cretics or maybe its the Haitian thing. I think thats its the latter.
Written by: Lautaro, 28 Jul 2008 11:21 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Bring DT Forum Back
The only way to prove it would be to search if the movie "Amistad" was sugarcoated on its depiction of the white establishment to suit hollywood interests, and if the producers refusal to back "Toussaint" have to do with the absolute impossibility of sugarcoating this movie, the matter of Chavez and Glover's ideology, or a combination of both.
Written by: gouletcolonial This user is banned, 28 Jul 2008 11:25 AM
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
Blood diamond had Leonardo Dicapprio he is very bankable....Don Cheadle is very good actor no doubt far far better than Danny the dork but not bankable....Maybe get the" Fresh Prince of Bel Air " and you got a shot ...But he would not touch it unless he owned it ...He is a very large world wide star.....Stop trying to deal the slimy racist card of the bottom of the deck....This is about money not race or politics ....Its The Market
Written by: gouletcolonial This user is banned, 28 Jul 2008 11:26 AM
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
Absolutely correct Lautaro
Written by: Lautaro, 28 Jul 2008 11:29 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Bring DT Forum Back
Well, Goulet, is impossible to ignore that issue here, because of the fact that Saint Domingue's slave establishment was the most harsh on the New World, so much that, in the other colonies, when the slaves proved to be too rebellious to the master's inclinations, the threat of sending them to Saint Domingue was more than enough to buy their compliance with their lot, even with the hardiest of them. From my POV, the western world is not too anxious to get their biggest failure get a time on the big screen, specially one regarding its dearest sweethearts (the french).
Written by: gouletcolonial This user is banned, 28 Jul 2008 11:34 AM
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
the equivalent of being "sold down the river"....The Danish were no day at the beach either...but yes the frogs imported 20 times the number of slaves to 1 as the Spanish....The wild card is "Nobody ever went broke underestimating the public " American or French
Written by: Lautaro, 28 Jul 2008 12:32 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Bring DT Forum Back
Although, if you ask me, I'll have to say that those producers didn't even bother to make their homework on this story, which only shows the fact that they refused it beforehand, because there's a white "hero" among all of this: Léger-Félicité Sonthonax, the french commisioner who decreed the abolition of slavery on the island in october 1793 (although his reasons for doing so would be less than altruistic). He was so radical that he would make Belial look like a glorified Santa Claus in comparison. LOL
Written by: anthonyC, 28 Jul 2008 12:46 PM
From: United States
"AnthonyC, what the hell are you talking about. L'ouverture didn't commit genocide. "

Tell that to the Spaniards he had murdered.
Written by: gouletcolonial This user is banned, 28 Jul 2008 12:49 PM
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
Lautaro There you go there is Leonardo Di s part for the honky ....but he would not touch this with a 10 foot pole.....Maybe a 5 foot pole if its name was Roman Polanski....But not Danny Glover director executive producer Nutty Hugo
Written by: gouletcolonial This user is banned, 28 Jul 2008 1:36 PM
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
Tex you got that right ....Wankers all of them.....I will put them on the International Wankers List with the Commie stooge bootlicking brown nosing Belial aka the Wanker from Wiki
Written by: gouletcolonial This user is banned, 28 Jul 2008 1:53 PM
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
Tex check this out... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oV9Z7SsWPdU
Written by: arkatype This user is banned, 28 Jul 2008 2:12 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Toussaint Louverture commited atrocities against the majority spaniard population on the eastern side of the island, he's no heroe for dominicans. Only for haitians, he was bamboozled by the french under Napoleon. What a waste of tape reel, now let's see how much lies mr. glover will put on screen to satisfy the investors and haitians alike!!!!! And haitians stop claiming your blood-thirsty racist heroes for us dominicans, we know who our heroes are. Toussaint is the same as Dessalines, Christophe or Boyer all thugs and criminals. "Que viva Juan Pablo Duarte y los Trinitarios".
Written by: JRRubirosa, 28 Jul 2008 4:14 PM
From: United States, Port Washington, LI (New York)
Jabao-Haitian:

Always love Your Haitian choperia comments..................

At the end You always end up in the guetto that You always belong.........

Your brain is always plug to Your back end........
Written by: Belial, 28 Jul 2008 4:27 PM
From: United States, Texas
If you and the other guys help chip in we can send the wanker from wiki to have dinner.

http://www.theage.com.au/world/ho....-of-seal-penis-20080728-3m8m.html

OOOO

I'll take a rain check.



Written by: arkatype This user is banned, 28 Jul 2008 4:27 PM
From: Dominican Republic
What do the native inhabitants of the island have to do with racist haitian blacks nothing!!!!!
Written by: JRRubirosa, 28 Jul 2008 4:30 PM
From: United States, Port Washington, LI (New York)
What in the hell We "Dominicans" care or must be forced to read this non sense news about a Haitian movie and on top of that the "Sensitive" Haitians complaining about Their fake History.
Written by: Belial, 28 Jul 2008 4:32 PM
From: United States, Texas
"I now know why you are like you are, if Shelia Jackson Lee was my representative I would be pissed at the world as well."

oooo

If she had killed one of her fiances like the First Lady, I'm sure you would admire her.
Written by: arkatype This user is banned, 28 Jul 2008 4:36 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Haitian Revolution????? 500,000 angry african slaves against 40,000 white french colonist, that's a revolution????? i call that a massacre A.K.A. bumrush!!!!! No wonder the dominican side of the island never went through this. The slave population was too small LOL!
Written by: Belial, 28 Jul 2008 4:49 PM
From: United States, Texas
"Tell that to the Spaniards he had murdered."

oooo

Tell that to the mothers from the mother country whom he fought and whipped before they ran ... or, more correctly, stampeded with their tails flying or hanging behind them.
Written by: JRRubirosa, 28 Jul 2008 5:05 PM
From: United States, Port Washington, LI (New York)
arkatype:

Debating issues with Haitians is pointless and waist of time, They want to move their millions to Quisqueya and continue destroying everything.

Also diseases and lack of order, worst is that international community is pushing our banana republic to let the cocolos do as They please.

Our dear president will be in the near future president for the New "Ayiti", will get his nobel price and plenty of support for his FUNGLODE baby.

In the meantime sit tight and wait for somebody else to do something for our Republic since the PLD gives a C..P about our country, They just care and are counting on their future voters.
Written by: TonyTunTun, 28 Jul 2008 5:36 PM
From: United States
Hollywood / Bollywood / the local grocery store / churches / everybody are in the business to make money. Plain and simple.
Written by: arkatype This user is banned, 28 Jul 2008 7:10 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Belial you are just an idiot!!!!! The dead in Cuba are calling. Why dont you buy yourself a one way ticket to Cuba, i bet you anything you wont last there a full week. You are a sick commie nut case! Living in the U.S. and complaining and whining like a fool, you dont deserve to live in such a great country like the United States Of America!!!!! The dead in Cuba are calling Belial????? Go to daddy in the green suit looking like a clown, so much for the tough guy image. The U.S. owns a chunk of Cuba's real estate Guantanamo Bay naval base. It would not amaze me that Fidelito is on the C.I.A.'s payroll.
Written by: antonioj, 29 Jul 2008 8:02 AM
From: Canada, Ottawa.. Bring the Forum back
"arkatype, 28 Jul 2008 4:36 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Haitian Revolution????? 500,000 angry african slaves against 40,000 white french colonist, that's a revolution????? i call that a massacre A.K.A. bumrush!!!!! No wonder the dominican side of the island never went through this. The slave population was too small LOL!
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You are a total con arkatype, DR was the only country that did not get his independence from a major super power. Guess what Mr Ignoramus and try hard racist wannabe figure out over 800 conquistadors and over 5 millions native Indians. For respect for my Dominicans friends I will not say anything diminishing about Duarte and so on. But you need some serious help, you are a very confuse man, but the facts remain that Haitians had a glorious past, and too bad there is nothing you can do about it and fortunately it's well internationally documented.
Written by: gouletcolonial This user is banned, 29 Jul 2008 8:32 AM
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
You had better not or I will remind you that the most famous thing about Haiti is a book called "The Comedians " and the history of" Papa Doc " and the ton tons.....It is unfortunate but this is the modern perspective on this unfortunate country...Also if they asked people ,they would say they wish they had never got rid of "Basket Head ".....Please try to keep your misery over there....Danny and Hugo just want to use you all and then discard you like a used condom.... mark my words...Their long term goal is to cook up some leftist coup amongst the chaos ...This is just like Fidel in the 60s and 70s
Written by: arkatype This user is banned, 29 Jul 2008 8:36 AM
From: Dominican Republic
The indigenous population blendid, with who we are as dominicans today. The spaniards did not commit genocide against the indigenous population that's a myth. Even one of the trinitarios was a mestizo half white spaniard and half indigenous, i guess you answered your own question! http://maravillasdominicanas.com/....s/Historia/Ramon_Matias_Mella.jpg
Written by: JRRubirosa, 29 Jul 2008 8:46 AM
From: United States, Port Washington, LI (New York)
Arkatype:

Excellent input..............
Written by: antonioj, 29 Jul 2008 9:29 AM
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Glout, nobody hate papa doc more than me, my family and also you will not see anywhere where I trump Dessalines. As a matter of fact Papa doc is responsible of the down fall of Haiti
Written by: gouletcolonial This user is banned, 29 Jul 2008 9:36 AM
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
You were not even born or were to young to know any better when Papa was in charge
Written by: JRRubirosa, 29 Jul 2008 9:50 AM
From: United States, Port Washington, LI (New York)
At least Haitians had some order with papa and baby doc..

They had the leash on, sorry to say But Haiti needs somebody with "C.....S" or "G..S" like
the Duvalier family.
Written by: antonioj, 29 Jul 2008 9:50 AM
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Written by: arkatype, 29 Jul 2008 8:36 AM
From: Dominican Republic

The spaniards did not commit genocide against the indigenous population that's a myth.
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No wonder DR get a failing grade for education the like arkatype, Rubi.. are a disgrace

Arkatype, Keep focusing learning your anti-Haitiano, Keep thinking of yourself as a Spaniard, Keep proving to us repeatedly that your real intent is not learning, but rather just spreading what you WANT US TO BELIEVE. Keep trying to be a WANNABE

Your every argument come down to some facts often laced with fiction, propaganda, and exaggeration, not independently verified, thanks to your altered history courtesy of Trujillo. Sad legacies, Dominicans like you are trapped in a mental slavery, that I do not wish to my worst enemy.
Written by: antonioj, 29 Jul 2008 9:58 AM
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we will disagree papa doc was a monster

http://www.webster.edu/~corbetre/haiti-archive/msg02518.html

I was born 4 years later when this took place
Written by: arkatype This user is banned, 29 Jul 2008 9:58 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Antonioj You are a mental loser! nothing that you say is based on facts. More like an illusion of sorts, haitian denial dont you just love it!!!!!
Written by: antonioj, 29 Jul 2008 10:05 AM
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Written by: arkatype, 29 Jul 2008 9:58 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Antonioj You are a mental loser! nothing that you say is based on facts. More like an illusion of sorts, haitian denial dont you just love it !!!!!
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I am done with you, I proved you wrong every time you open your truck full of arrogance and ignorance.

You are not at part or up to my level, and I have absolutely no time to waste in educating you, there are many reasonable Dominicans in the forum thanks God, I can share and learn from.
Written by: FranktheTank, 29 Jul 2008 10:06 AM
From: United Kingdom
I believe the discussion is about a movie and the apparent lack of funding that it’s facing . Many projects face this dilemma; I believe that it is irresponsible for Mr. Glover to make this a racial issue.
Written by: JRRubirosa, 29 Jul 2008 10:53 AM
From: United States, Port Washington, LI (New York)
FranktheTank:

Haitians love to play the race card and get vicitimized by Themselves so everybody feels sorry for Them.
Written by: FranktheTank, 29 Jul 2008 11:03 AM
From: United Kingdom
Mr. Glover is not a Haitian
Written by: JRRubirosa, 29 Jul 2008 11:16 AM
From: United States, Port Washington, LI (New York)
Frankthetank:

I know that already, meant to say the opinions posted it already.
Written by: FranktheTank, 29 Jul 2008 11:21 AM
From: United Kingdom
How about it Rubi, would you go see the movie ?
Written by: FranktheTank, 29 Jul 2008 11:22 AM
From: United Kingdom
I will
Written by: antonioj, 29 Jul 2008 11:42 AM
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JRRubirosa, 29 Jul 2008 10:53 AM
From: United States
FranktheTank:

Haitians love to play the race card and get vicitimized by Themselves so everybody feels sorry for Them
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You are living in your illiterate world of confusion. Thanks FranktheTank for pointing Mr Glover nationality, shame on you Rubi, you had the option to better yourself as a person, like all of us, you left the DR in search of a better life, at the end of the day what I have you accomplished ?, what legacy are you going to leave for your children ?, you have not made any efforts to educate yourself and yet after reaping the benefits of living in the USA you are still incapable to balance your view, this is quite remarkable indeed.
Written by: JRRubirosa, 29 Jul 2008 12:06 PM
From: United States, Port Washington, LI (New York)
Antonioj:

The legacy of respecting the memory of our founding fathers Juan Pablo Duarte, Francisco del Rosario Sanchez and Ramon Matias Mella and the blood that They shed for our freedom and
the fact that Your people are instigating for another scenario like 1844.

I came legally to the USA and honestly You brag too much about being educated and literate.
Written by: arkatype This user is banned, 29 Jul 2008 12:52 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Watch out Rubi. Hes going to "Mexico" dont forget your vaseline and wig darling.
Written by: JRRubirosa, 29 Jul 2008 1:06 PM
From: United States, Port Washington, LI (New York)
Antonioj:

Hopefully You are not going to abuse minors in Mexico....
Written by: antonioj, 29 Jul 2008 2:27 PM
From: Canada, Ottawa.. Bring the Forum back
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The legacy of respecting the memory of our founding fathers Juan Pablo Duarte, Francisco del Rosario Sanchez and Ramon Matias Mella and the blood that They shed for our freedom and
the fact that Your people are instigating for another scenario like 1844.

I came legally to the USA and honestly You brag too much about being educated and literate.
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Be fair minded, be able to control your predjudices, respect your peers, be able to look at facts and issues at different angle, get an education, be human, that's a start.

Unfortunately you have nothing to brag about, your records speak for itself.
Written by: antonioj, 29 Jul 2008 3:04 PM
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JRRubirosa, 29 Jul 2008 1:06 PM
From: United States
Antonioj:

Hopefully You are not going to abuse minors in Mexico....
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Not funny, and very childish Senorita, please stop impersonating, how do you like to be compared to ny4life, cibaneo75,lautaro,jaboa,glout, probably you have these types of mind in leadership position, perhaps could explain why your country is moving forward. Alot people like you, DR will be close to the abyss just like your neighbor. I am not singling out Rubi, but you know right from wrong, it's difficult for me to accept this kind of attitude from expatriate, an immigrant.
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Written by: JRRubirosa, 29 Jul 2008 3:27 PM
From: United States, Port Washington, LI (New York)
Antonioj:

You got that right, I don't hide myself behind inferiority complexes, race or else, I enjoy being
fair and by the book.



Written by: 1slackjaw, 29 Jul 2008 6:46 PM
From: United States
Belial...let me educate you on the true history of Haiti....France was defeated because most of the army there was sick or dead. The French came back in force....the Haitians realized they could not defeat the fresh healthy troops that were sitting off the coast.
Napolean not wanting to commit his troops there made a deal with the Haitians that they would not re-invade for so many millions of dollars (francs).
The Haitians agreed and this huge debt to France is one of the reasons they have had so much trouble overcoming poverty.
I spent 2.5 years in Haiti and have alot of haitian friends, one is visiting me right now.
Written by: 1slackjaw, 29 Jul 2008 6:50 PM
From: United States
While I was living there there were huge banners all over the capitol asking for Reperations from France...they wanted to be paid back some of the money exhorted from them
Written by: anthonyC, 29 Jul 2008 11:23 PM
From: United States
And I want all the money back from Haiti. The US has wasted way too much money on Haiti. Give it back and let the Haitians solve their own problems.
Heck, forget the money. it will be funny just sitting back and watching the Haitians make even a more mess.
Written by: gouletcolonial This user is banned, 30 Jul 2008 5:46 AM
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
Bring the" basket head "back not Aristide
Written by: 1slackjaw, 30 Jul 2008 2:35 PM
From: United States
anthonyC, I generally agree with you but not this time. If you realized that most of those people only eat 4-days per week and how skinny they are, maybe you would change your opinion, otherwise your incapable of compassion for others. Which by definition is psychotic.
They were first straddled with this huge debt to France than ruled by viciouse dictators, maybe thats why they haven't lived up to your expectations.
They just becam a democracy in the 1990's, takes time.
Written by: anthonyC, 30 Jul 2008 3:12 PM
From: United States
"They were first straddled with this huge debt to France than ruled by viciouse dictators, maybe thats why they haven't lived up to your expectations.
They just becam a democracy in the 1990's, takes time."

Sorry. Doesn't wash with me. haiti has been a nation long enough to have gotten their house in Order.
The Debt was their Fault.
The Dicators were their fault.

You say that they have been a democracy since 1990? So? So has the Eastern block and they seem to be doing well. Other countries strive to improve. Haiti Strives to be a charity case.
Written by: 1slackjaw, 30 Jul 2008 3:52 PM
From: United States
anthony...well there is some merit to what your saying, had they made better decisions in the past.... Another issue is the country is basicly a desert, hardley any trees. The poor cut them down so they could make charcoal and cook there food, no electricity for the poor or 805 of the country.
The rich land owners kept the people un-educated as well. School is not free like here so if it comes down to food for the family or school............
If you lived there for awhile and met the people, I still think you would ease up on them at least a little. Even with all that misery they are much nicer people than most Americans.
Written by: 1slackjaw, 30 Jul 2008 3:54 PM
From: United States
If in the house there was 1-piece of bread, they would give you half. Wouldnt happen here.
dont get me wrong I am not one of those self-loathing Americans that I cant stand. Living in the 3rd world has a way of making you very patriotic.
Written by: anthonyC, 30 Jul 2008 4:15 PM
From: United States
"Another issue is the country is basicly a desert, hardley any trees. The poor cut them down so they could make charcoal and cook there food, no electricity for the poor or 805 of the country."

Perhaps you should rephrase that to read the poor HAITIANS cut them down.

I have spent time in Haiti myself. I have done business there. The ingrained corruption from the top to the bottum makes the DR look like the epitome of Business morality.

Where are the Haitian leaders who will finally say Enough is Enough?
Written by: 1slackjaw, 30 Jul 2008 4:33 PM
From: United States
Anthony...True, I also lived in the DR for more than 2-years. It's night and day between the 2-countries. I loved living in Santiago, hoping I get that recruiters phone call so I can go back.
I hope for there sake they do get some decent leaders, I was there during the Aristide affair, was cool when the marines came in. I actually was in the same room with him once, never like the man.
Written by: Pepe32, 31 Jul 2008 12:02 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Compatriotas no se dejen engañar por estos cerdos ,solo vean lo que escribe el tal Antonio en otro foro.Aqui viene como hombre de paz pero en aquel rodeado de sus huestes Haitianas muestra la otra cara -Estos son traicioneros desde la cuna!

Me cago en Toussaint Boyer Soulouque y toda la basura que entro desde el oeste y que entran sin control en mi Patria malos politicos que los permiten entrar sabiendo que cada uno es un atraso para nuestro pais!!


antonioj
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Most Dominicans are stupid and ignorant,just like Greenwave, Majority are prostitute and drug dealer.

If do not beleive me go to Haiti, Brooklyn heights, DR
Written by: Divinna, 31 Jul 2008 11:10 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Most Dominicans are stupid and ignorant,just like Greenwave, Majority are prostitute and drug dealer.

If do not beleive me go to Haiti, Brooklyn heights, DR

What?.
Written by: gouletcolonial This user is banned, 1 Aug 2008 11:14 AM
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
If this movie turns out to be more than a vanity hand job..... on Danny and Hugos part ....I will eat a turd in Parque Colon and give Belial a week to draw a crowd
Written by: FranktheTank, 3 Aug 2008 11:02 AM
From: United Kingdom
^^^^^^^lol
Written by: Docpeters, 4 Aug 2008 4:13 PM
From: United States Virgin Islands
I know the person who wrote the orignal idea for the movie. That person also tried to get support from Hollywood to get the movie and was not successfull until Mr. Glover got involved. Mr. Glover is correct, if whites are not heroes in the movie it would not be popular in the white world. However, this movie is not science fiction, it is reality based on historical facts. The idea of the original person who had the idea about making the movie was not to get rich quick. He wanted to put Haiti on the map. Everytime Haiti is talked about on the news is negatively. He wanted something positive about Haiti. Because who knows someday someone will visit Haiti as a tourist and know a little bit of the history about the island throught the movie. By the way, someone in this forum thinks Toussaint was a murderer. But he was not. The revolutionists of the Haitian Revolution killed French or Spaniards who wanted to re-enslave the blacks. Toussaint did help black/brown Dominicans.
Written by: Tainoloco, 5 Aug 2008 10:03 AM
From: United States
Interesting
Written by: Pepe32, 6 Aug 2008 9:57 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Dessalines Soulouque and Boyer were the racist murderers my friend and they they killed many poor impoverished people only because of the colour of their skin!!

Until the U.S. Marines came in racism was even written into the Haitian constitution,unfortunately the Haitians could not attack France or the U.S. so they unleashed their racial cleansing on the poor mainly uninhabited neighbor planting the seeds of hatred to this day with its highs and lows.

Written by: arkatype This user is banned, 6 Aug 2008 10:12 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Toussaint Louverture was a revolutionist for the haitian cause that's true nobody is denying that. But for the majority of the inhabitants on the eastern portion of Hispaniola in that time he was a murderer, he massacred many whites. And if you don't believe what im saying i suggest you read Otto Schoenrich's book Santo Domingo a country with a future. What haitians call heroes for educated dominicans that know their history they are murderers, that's one of many other reasons Trujillo sent his soldiers to massacre so many haitians in 1937. You see people in their ignorance might forget, but goverments never forget the bloody past!
Written by: antonioj, 7 Aug 2008 12:16 AM
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arkatype=pepe32=greenwave great interpretation from your fake History but the facts remain that you are wrong all the time and always, also you are in no way qualify as a history buff. Your opinion should be taken for what they are, (basura). The real murderer was not Toussaint but Trujillo a coward for killing innocent Haitians, he did not even have the gut to attack with his army
Written by: Lautaro, 7 Aug 2008 7:59 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Bring DT Forum Back
Here's a source for those of you that seriously need to get your foolish notions about Toussaint being a murderer dispelled: http://books.google.com.do/books?....mp;source=gbs_summary_s&cad=0

P.S.: This account was made by a british colonist, who was in no way a friend of the black rebels, so this account ought to have some merit in your eyes because of this.
Written by: Lautaro, 7 Aug 2008 7:59 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Bring DT Forum Back
I think that you're confusing Toussaint with Dessalines, arkatype. If you care to read any of the foreign accounts on the Haitian Revolution, you'll find the fact that the rebel camp was divided on two parties: the one which wanted to maintain the recently gained rights of the blacks while making a compromise with France and the colonists of either side of the island (Toussaint), while the other, the so called noirist party, wanted independence pure and simple, having the slaughter and expropiation of the whites and other pro-french colonists as their banner (Dessalines). While Toussaint was in power, the noirist party had to keep a low profile, in order to avoid the wrath of Toussaint if he got a hint of their ambitions (in fact, one of them, Hyacinthe Moyse, Toussaint's own nephew, would get impatient and stage a revolt in the northern region, a thing that would send him directly to the firing squad by orders of his uncle).
Written by: gouletcolonial This user is banned, 7 Aug 2008 9:31 AM
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
it sounds like Jesse and Obama
Written by: antonioj, 7 Aug 2008 12:18 PM
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Arcatype is back now under a different name arkatype
Written by: antonioj, 7 Aug 2008 12:27 PM
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Lautaro

I am amazed Lautaro with your skills and knowledge, Haitians know that... we have a saying in Haiti that say something like that "Toussaint was not black only his skin was " Pro Dessaline will say that he was an ass kisser to the white or a sold out, the facts remain that the man was brillant.
Written by: gouletcolonial This user is banned, 7 Aug 2008 12:32 PM
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Archie being Archie......Was he known as an " Uncle Toussaint "
Written by: antonioj, 7 Aug 2008 12:41 PM
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"gouletcolonial, 7 Aug 2008 12:32 PM
From: Canada
Archie being Archie......Was he known as an " Uncle Toussaint "
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I can understand some of his hatred for Dessalines which I share, but Toussaint very hard to imagine.

Uncle Archive have seven life
Written by: gouletcolonial This user is banned, 7 Aug 2008 12:48 PM
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
Hey Tonyj you ever eat Italian sandwiches on Clinton st....How about you Sang
Written by: arkatype This user is banned, 7 Aug 2008 12:49 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Toussaint Louverture invaded the spanish side of the island under the belief that France will agree with Toussaint's formula of bridging the gap between the haitian majority black and the small mulatto elite with France. If you know the simplicity of the account, Toussaint is tricked and transferred to France where he is jailed and later expires. Their was no agreement between the french administration on the spanish side of the island and Toussaint Louverture. Toussaint invaded Santo Domingo city took over with a large military force, many spaniards and other whites including their slaves left the eastern portion of the island, because naturally they did not want to be governed by black former slaves. Race played a big roll in the anomosities of both country's in that period of time. As far as the massacre of whites it is a fact, Toussaint was testing their loyalty to France and obviously they were loyal to Spain. At that point he separates the men and women and kills the men.
Written by: arkatype This user is banned, 7 Aug 2008 12:55 PM
From: Dominican Republic
So Lautaro it is true that Toussaint Louverture was not as brutal as a Dessalines or Henri Christophe or even Boyer, but please remember he did plenty of harm to the inhabitants of the dominican portion of the island. At least to the majority, the slaves were emancipated. But Toussaint's illusion was that an illusion that never could of work because Napoleon would of never approved.
Written by: antonioj, 7 Aug 2008 1:10 PM
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Written by: gouletcolonial, 7 Aug 2008 12:48 PM
From: Canada
Hey Tonyj you ever eat Italian sandwiches on Clinton st....How about you Sang
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No, I will go for Montreal bagel and smoke meat on kensington market

http://www.kensington-market.ca/Default.asp?id=1&l=1

I do not get to go that often now, since I move out the city

Hey arkatype thanks for not putting Toussaint in the league of Dessalines or Boyer
Written by: gouletcolonial This user is banned, 7 Aug 2008 1:46 PM
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
When I eat with the Jews it is in Manhattan never found a decent deli in Toronto in fact I dont know how self respecting jews could tolerate what passes for Deli in Toronto
Written by: antonioj, 7 Aug 2008 2:40 PM
From: Canada, Ottawa.. Bring the Forum back
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Written by: gouletcolonial, 7 Aug 2008 1:46 PM
From: Canada
When I eat with the Jews it is in Manhattan never found a decent deli in Toronto in fact I dont know how self respecting jews could tolerate what passes for Deli in Toronto
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No doubt I agree, but Montreal is well known for their jewish community and their Deli, there is only one in Toronto call the "Montreal smoke meat"
Written by: Docpeters, 7 Aug 2008 8:42 PM
From: United States Virgin Islands
To Lautaro: Thank you very much for the online book about the Historical account of the Black Empire Hayti. I did not know this book existed. I have read many international history books and studied Latin and carribean history in college for 2 years but never came across this book. I am old and I have seen a lot in my lifetime. But I guess I am not as old as 1791. I already read one third of the book. Once again thank you.
Written by: antonioj, 7 Aug 2008 9:13 PM
From: Canada, Ottawa.. Bring the Forum back
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To Lautaro: Thank you very much for the online book about the Historical account of the Black Empire Hayti. I did not know this book existed. I have read many international history books and studied Latin and carribean history in college for 2 years but never came across this book. I am old and I have seen a lot in my lifetime. But I guess I am not as old as 1791. I already read one third of the book. Once again thank you.
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He's the real deal, Mr Quisqueyano himself.
Written by: Lautaro, 7 Aug 2008 9:25 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Bring DT Forum Back
You´re all welcome, my friends. I find it odd that you weren´t already acquainted with mr. Rainsford´s account, Docpeters, seeing as how he isn´t exactly a stranger on the foreign intelectual circles that have applied themselves in the study of our magnificent, if yet tragic, common history. Although I recognize that it can be hard at times to find new info, specially when you have such magnificent works as CLR James´ "The Black Jacobins" overshadowing everything else.
Written by: 7upkid, 3 Feb 2010 11:26 PM
From: United States
Just think of all of the right wing idiots on this site..all of you are soo ignorant.. just think of all of the people kicking their selves in the ass..now Haiti is on the front line of all the news channels in the world. Way to go Mr. Glover... no need for white Heros
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