wow thats where all those big tippers from Canada go

799 a week per person all you can eat drink and puke Veradero beach.....imagine thats what it costs to stay in Anguilla or St Barths for one night before you even buy a cocktail....hey Ralphie darling do you think its similar

Cuba is the place!
S.

wanker please go as soon as possible one way....there is a prison cell with your name on it ...no beer

Cuba is great...unless you are a Cuban!

Sarkozy approves EU relations with Cuba - he is the new saviour! He also has been visiting Russia!
http://timescorrespondents.typepa....arles_bremner/2008/12/post-1.html
http://www.france24.com/en/200811....e-ex-soviet-ties-russia-venezuela
Russia, France, great history, strategic partners.
http://www.plenglish.com/Article.asp?ID={6D429540-A490-4442-ADDC-601B88C661B4}&language=EN
S.

China’s sovereign wealth fund is cutting off further investment in the U.S. Cuba and DR are better investments. DR should link Peso to Euro, Rouble and CNY.
S.

If you think that Cuba is busy now, just wait until the US drops its travel restrictions. Will the last one out of Punta Cana please shut off the lights.

keep dreaming juanb.

Dominican Republic can compete with Mexico Puerto Rico and the entire carrieban and still be number one or among the top.



Nobody is worried about communist cuba, lol.
As long as we're capitalis and their communist.
Donald trump in DR never has to worry about nationalisation

Written by: anthonyC, 14 Dec 2008 3:33 PM
From: United States
Cuba is great...unless you are a Cuban!


the same can be said about DR

Goooooooooo!!!!!! cuba !!! yeah! Castro

GC, give up already...... you'll be dead soon .. the revolution will never die... Hasta La Victoria

chilaxin201
he is dead already, walking dead (zombie)... el gran gusano viejo pendejo!

What get's me about the Castro defenders is that they are so blind.

If Castro is so great why is Cuba such a sh*thole for the Cuban People?
Why do thousands risk everything to escape?
Why are almost 10% of the population in exile?
Why, after 50 years of the "Revolution" do the Castro brothers still refuse to have free elections?

this thread is a hotbed of intelligent analysis. there is a stated postulate, which either stands up to inspection, or it does not. the statement is that while other tourist destinations are dying on the vine, Cuba is surging ahead. so, it brings out the Cuban detractors like GC and anthonyc, who try to belittle the achievement. regardless of your antipathy, guys, the facts remain on paper. maybe you might want to wonder why such a miserable hellhole, so poorly run (in your opinion), is succeeding where others are wilting. talk about jealousy! and, anthonyc, there are people risking their lives every day to escape capitalist paradises. (see the word YOLA). if the USA was to relax the border patrol, maybe 5% of mexico would stay south of the rio grande, in the paradise of Carlos Slim. you do not need to admit it, but the guys are doing something right, if they succeed where all others fail.

maybe, just maybe, the legendary security of cuba, relative to other tourist destinations, militates in its favor, especially at times like these. it is quite possibe that prospective tourists are considering the social displacements which might be occasioned by the economic downturn. they are probably reluctant to go to more laissez faire destinations, where desperate actors might rob, attack, and otherwise discommode them. maybe, they feel safer with the notion of going to a place with stricter population control, like cuba. from all acoounts, they do not seem to have anything special that others do not have. and, as to GC , with his repetitive and tiresome references to "eat till you puke" all inclusives; do we not have these at places like Playa Dorada? from all the literarure i have read, the preponderant majority of hotels in the DR are enclave style. you keep making mention of all the great changes to come; how about waiting to see how they eventuate

before unfurling the pennants of adulation? they are quite a bit away from full implementation, and, in todays world, changes move at exponential speed. so, trash cuba all you wish, but , as of TODAY, they seem to be on the ball, where others are not. good for them!

hahaha hahaha keep reading granma that belial sent you.... your free subscription comrade

Just wait.... you aint seen nothing yet.

When the out-of-the-box President elect takes office and begins to reform... one of the things that may quickly fall by the wayside is lifting the embargo on Cuba (which is a economic stimulus for more trade and tourism as well as opportunities for Americans).

In general, I do have more confidence in the Cuban Gov versus that of the RD (even though I know they are communist)

Another part of this article list nickel production as Cuba's largest source of foreign income.
Interesting considering Falconbridge's recent lay-off of 60% of its employees in DR.

If granma says its true its gotta be true.....as the cuban reads the article in the smallest room of his house he knows the article will soon be behind him.........granmas only good use

USA desparately needs advice from Cuba on urban gardening so all those laid off in the Auto industry can grow their own food and raise their own chickens on plots left by bulldosed MacMansions. that fall derelict when 30 dollar an hour jobs are replaced by jobs at 5 dollars an hour. President of US should immediately lift restrictions so this vital instruction can take place. Also US medical schools would find it cheaper to operate in DR and Cuba, less heating bills, cheaper student accommodation.
S.

I'm curious how the most ardent capitalist demagogues reconciled their beliefs during the current economic crisis to propose and accept government welfare bailouts. They had no problem capitalizing their profits while socializing their losses. True capitalism should bear the consequences of the financial free markets. I guess it's harder to maintain principle when principal is on the line in which case principal then becomes the only principle. I am a proponent to capitalism but an opponent of hypocrisy. I am no supporter of Castro or his regime in Cuba but I do see the obvious hypocrisy in trading with China (US$345.45 Billion to date) although their human rights record and totalitarian governmental system is far worse than that of Cuba. One does not have to be a sympathizer of the Cuban government to acknowledge or credit their achievements in science, education and athletics. To credit these accomplishments all you need to do is state the obvious.

Castro gave the people science, education and athletics. and took away breakfast lunch and dinner and then he put the U in gulag....old joke

Thor Halvorssen, president of the respected Human Rights Foundation, also takes aim at the actor in the piece, calling the Castro brothers "thugs and murderers," saying "that Sean Penn would be honored by anyone, let alone the gay community, for having stood by a dictator that put gays into concentration camps is mind-boggling." I'm an old leftie myself. But having grown up in Miami, where I saw up close and personal the flood of people--straight and gay--fleeing persecution in Cuba, I no longer share Penn's naive admiration for totalitarian despots who pass themselves off as populist heroes......Dread your hero forward thinking about AIDS

devin,

You make a false assumption. This free marketeer is 100% against the federal bailouts.

as they say not that there is anything wrong with that dread you admire these creeps...Penn, who received a Golden Globe nomination today for his performance in "Milk," seems to have forgotten that not long after Fidel Castro took power, the Cuban government ordered the internment of gay people in prison labor camps where, as Kirchick puts it, "they were murdered or worked to death for their 'counterrevolutionary tendencies.' " He adds that Penn's pal, Raul Castro, was notorious for executing political opponents, whose only crime was often their homosexuality. Though Cuba has since decriminalized homosexuality, the government still bans all gay organizations or any other group critical of the regime.

How ironic that the gay community probably support these thugs in there left wing naivete or hypocrisy

There are always worse thugs in the US. Soon much of Bangladesh will be under water through global warming. Even katrina, on their own soil displayed tha callous nature of some US people and government.
S.

so, anthonyc, do i understand from your posting that none of the recipients of the bailout belong to the free market? or , maybe they are against the bailout, but will take the money, anyway? do you consider AIG, washington mutual, and all the others who are going to benefit from the 7.7 trillion dollar bailout to not be members of the free market?

devin, you have to realise that these cuban refugees are just loathsome, self serving, narcissistic swine, who have no place in a civilised society. they would rather see millions of cubans die of starvation, than see the country get ahead. they are a bunch of rampaging hypocrites and simpletons, with no principles and morality; all they want is to satisfy their anger at castro. so, they will buy all the plasma TVs from China, and will glorify WalMart, (like GC). but they refuse to say one good word about Cuba, because it made THEM mad. they believe that they can punish Fidel and Raul, by demanding that the embargo remain in place. newsflash, asswipes; if the entire country goes bust, Fidel will still be sleeping on his Sealey posturepedic mattress, and eating argentinian steak.

Cubans may not eat much mest but USA feeds on SPAM
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/....food_and_drink/article5295544.ece
S.

Anthony,
The fact that you and a handful of other "free marketeers" that may not have been directly in a position to lose millions and or billions of dollars in assets does not make a false assumption of my statement. I will concede by rescinding my statement to reflect that I was questioning the hypocrisy of just 99.99999999999% of those accused.

devin, you are a better man than i, and generous to a fault. i see them all, without exception, as a bunch of thieving , reprehensible swine. when they are making money, they want lowered taxes, and sit at their dining tables flagellating welfare recipients. they are the first to deliver exhortations about " pulling yourself up by your bootstraps". then their ponzi schemes backfire , and they come to congerss in their Brooks Brothers suits, hat in hand, to beg for the taxpayers' money. do you not just love it that after begging for 39 billion in rich man's welfare, the CEO of AIG still demands his 10 million dollar "bonus".can anyone say "firing squad"?

Dred,
The Cuban embargo is a failed political policy that is still in place only to placate the right wing Cuban voting block. The logistics of the embargo may have been a good way of trying to
de-legitimize the Castro regime by fomenting civilian unrest within the populace but 46 years later, the embargo has served only as collective punishment for the people of Cuba. The desired effect of the embargo has failed and removing it now is seen only as an admission of victory for Castro by the embargo proponents with nary a consideration for the suffering. I have often wondered, when Cuba does become free, how diffficult the reconciliation of the expats and the nationals will be when they speak of the termoil they suffered while the expats surged to continue the restrictions of the embargo. I love the U.S.A. always but I love my government only when it deserves it and sadly it don't feel they deserve it wherein consideration to the continued support of the embargo is concerned.

Blah Blah Blah

Evil Capitalists

Blah Blah Blah

Greedy

Blah Blah Blah...........................Get a life

Cuba is freer than US.
1% of US is in prison most for ficticious 'crimes'.Another 1% is being depossessed and will live in autos, salvation army hostels or auto parks.
Another 12% are living off food stamps worse than Cuban rations.
Old people are dying of cold, people are living in tent cities, literacy no chance unless daddy is rich or you wear a gun to school. Currency is likely to devalue by 50% according to economic comentators.
If poor you likely die of simple diseases.
This is why so many US citizens are choosing to exit kindof sharpish. DR fotunately is benefitting - you see it every day with new arrivals. US citizens go back to the the US for unjustified prison, thuggery, destitution or worse.
S.

Sir, I have a life and a damn good one. Capitalism is not evil and financial benefit through sound investment and risk should be rewarded at the highest rate of return possible. When however the investment strategies backfire and the investor is faced with capital losses they should not rewarded with a do-over. What is your condescension of this iniquity?

abc,

Have you ever been to the US?

And what exactly is a ficticious crime?

devin,


again. I am against all bailouts unless the need was caused by the government itself.

BTW It was Cuba who placed an embargo on trade with Cuba first.
I am against trade with murderous dictatorships.

No cubans are enjoying the fruits of tourism or economic prosperity Chillaxin201 or Dreadlocks. Remember only the foreigners are enjoying the beaches the hookers a.k.a "gineteras." while the canadian, american and european owned resorts prosper cubans are dying of starvation. So what kind of communist system exists in Cuba? It's more like the country that's frozen in the past but wants to convince the same that they are a progressive communist country? LOL to that..... People Cuba is a failed country that finds itself stuck in the old, desperately trying to enter into the community of nations but has an old regime holding them back. While trying to fashion itself in a capitalistic mold, what a confusing scenario only in Cuba "mi hermano." Dominican Republic is still better in my book.

Anthony,
So are you against trade with China, Saudi Arabia, Venezuela and Russia because the US is not.

Devin11 China is slash Capitalist/Communist to an extent but progressive. With it's toll of human rights violations, but still influential globally due to its population and technological know how. the others on your list produce oil that's their importance globally. But these nations are huge human rights violators, extremely corrupt, hungry for power, that serve the interest of a small group of people while most live in poverty.

Arkatype,
You have explained why we trade with these countries which was always obvious but do you not agree that they are all murderous regimes? If so, then perhaps Anthony can reiterate his opposition to trade with these countries as he is against trading with murderous regimes.

Devin11 the question you got to ask is why the romanticism with Cuba? Cuba is just one speck in the world another country, but some people like to worship Cuba because of Castro. What he represents is an opposing view, especially to capitalism which i agree is as bad as any other system in the face of the earth, but it is the system running the interests of our current age. The Cuban goverment is slowly swallowing it's shallow pride, if not! they will continue to sink in the quaqmire they find themselves in, ever since Castro took power.

arrchie a brilliant thought pokes its head out...good one

Capitalism can be as evil as any other form or government. The to make profits out of other peoples misery or ther failure to spread benefits of individual endevaours to other than the very rich are just two of the areas where maximising material reward for individuals are under question.
Society reaches a consensus as what might be a just reward to individuals with special talents and applies some regulation, both in terms of monopoly control and other mechanisms. For exampl an eye surgon is rewared by a salery much above national average, but equiatable in terms of other positions requiring similar training and apportionment of total funds available for health in the society etc.
Clearly also it is within the power of government to render groups bankrupt in soiciey who have honestly worked. For example if Brazil orange juice etc. were allowed into the US without restriction then Florida citrus growers would suffer.
S.

arkatype, what do you maen that cubans are not benefitting from tourism/ where do you thinkl that the revenues come from to provide the schools that make cubans the most highly educated populace in the hemisphere? or one of the most advanced medical establishments? or the arts, recreational, and sport establishments? what do you think pays for those initiatives? as a matter of fact, the cuban in the street benefits far more fro tourism than do those in the DR. not because the average washerwoman can get a job, or some guy gets to mow a golf course, means they are benefitting to the degree that cubans are. before you run off half cocked to spout irrational nonsense worthy only of Anthonyc, and Gouletcolonial, two irrelevant and anachronistic wastes of life, try to ponder the issue in its more intricate aspects. you might prefer life in the DR, but the reality is that the average cuban is better served by tourism than the average dominican.

In the glorious workers paradise....everyone is paid the same as maids and gardeners except the part time doctor driving cab drivers and the black marketeers...if only the rest of LA would come to its senses ...look Caricom is already getting on board to enjoy the new prosperity and happiness of the workers paradise....Hugo lights the way

more opinion pieces from the old geezer; notice it is only opinion, and tries might and main to stay away from facts, reality, and analysis. he believes that if he repeats his fallacious musings , they become truth. he would have been the envy of the most accomplished nazi propagandists.

devin,

China yes.
Venezuela and Russia are democracies(Flawed but still democracies)
Saudi Arabia is a Monorchy and not a murderous regime.

anthonyc, would that "flawed democracies" be in opposition to democracies without flaws?

I believe anthonyc was in civil conversation with another person dread ...please do not try an bait him

Anthony,
Russia is a puppet democracy that murders journalists critical to the current regime (Anna Politkovskaya) and dissidents even when they are in foreign countries (Andre Lugovoi) among countless others.

Saudi Arabia is one of the most socially oppressed countries in the world where critics are sent to jail, tortured and killed. There have been confirmed reports by human right groups of young girls murdered for crimes that include kissing boys and using the internet. Not to mention the countries financing of Suni militia groups and sponsorship of fundamentalist Wahabiism or that thirteen of the fifteen 911 hijackers were Saudi citizens.

Venezuela, according to Claudia Jardim, a journalist who produced a special documentary on the country’s land reform process says the political murder-rate in the countryside has jumped to an estimated one peasant leader per week since January.

All murderous regimes Anthony, yet we trade with them but not Cuba, why?

and i was seeking clarification from anthonyc, not from you. there is nothing inappropriate about asking for clarification on a point. i believe that should be the function of the board. (you might have a different idea about the purpose it should serve)

let me just tell you , GC, where we differ most. i am a caribbean spirit, and, by that, i mean the entire caribbean. to me, cuba is just as important as martinique, which is just as important as anguilla. i have always been at pains to advocate the need for initiatives to bring us closer together. i see no difference between some of the dominicans i have met, and some of the people i know from st kitts. you, on the other hand, have no allegiance to anything, and nobody, and revel in negative and troublesome things. so, as soon as a thread opens, we can expect to see you as the first poster ("pissing in every corner", to quote one poster), launching out in negative efforts. you always try to belittle the british caribbean, and establish to dominicans that they do not need to associate with those islands. why would this be so? what motivates a purportedly well balanced person to strive to strike up enmity and distance between people who share the same geographical space?

why would he try to tell one group of people that it is disadvantageous to associate with others, with no reason to support the postulate? it is simply because of his experience with those people. maybe, hispanics are more tolerant of fools, and allow them to carry on unmolested. british caribbean islanders are more quick to upbraid you when you comport yourself like an insufferable jackass. Goulet went to islands in the eastern caribbean, and was hoisted by his own petard. as is the case with cuba, his pitiful life's work is to do all in his power to alienate and demean them, and to be the pied piper who led the dominicans to the people he finds appropriate as company.

Blah blah blah ....nothing Mr Man of the Caribbean....the French islands and the Spanish islands are quite unique and have very little in common with the English speaking islands ...Please get over it.get over it ....ask your buddy arsenio

would that be YOUR buddy, arsenio? i am the man of the caribbean. you are the rolling stone that gathered no moss. no home, no friends, no loyalty, no connection, no vision, no aspiration, no reason to be alive. poor, sad old man. for every arsenio, with a negative experience, there are millions who see things differently. not every immigrant loves America, either. and, while we are on the subject of Arsenio; he expressed his dislike for his experience while living in jamaica, but it was never a personal thing. he opined about the country, but never said a bad thing about me, personally. in your case, he called you every thing but a child of God, and still does, to this day. he and i get along really fine, if you do not mind!!

dread
Keep punching dread the "old airbag spent petard" is tiring and most boring since he is out of his usual one liners and old tired expletives.
Maybe he will pack his full of holes surplus duffel bag and leave us for good, so we can have some peace, rewarding and enlightening conversation again.

our experience is pretty much the norm and has been for a long long time ....That is why after 40 years " Dont stop the Carnival " Is still so fresh but not considered so PC

our experience? who might this "our" be? you have this propensity to appropriate unanimity, without permission. you believe you speak for everybody. is that why you believe it is your duty to open every thread with a one line quip?

the confederation of dunces has spoken ....and they want enlightening conversation ...alert the media to this first time event....one lies and the other swears to it

how original....time to go back on the comedy club circuit to scrounge up more jokes. the old supply is weatherbeaten and threadbare. you never were funny; now you are just painful

have to leave for a while and run my empire " the dogs bark the caravan moves on " Keep up the whining

fear not; nobody will miss you.

dread
It's really no contest and an historical event of a world heavyweight champ (you) against a feeble, sick and pale, skinny and bruised, tired old geezer troll with no punch left in his arthritic hands.
It has been a memorable but most unequal exchange.
The winner by unanimous decision is:
Dreadlocks!

Dreadlocks do you truly believe what you're saying about Cuba? People in Cuba are starving as we talk, many in Cuba are not educated as you might think. Tourism does not benefit cubans at all, the tax base revenue of these foreign owned resorts only fill the coffers of Fidel's administration. That money is not benefitng the infrastructure of Cuba, in a country where you still see cars of the 50's era, and buildings literally collapsing, that money don't reach the masses as some people want to make you believe! Did you know that black cubans are not hired on these foreign owned resorts, in fact blacks in Cuba are constantly harassed by cuban police and military personnel, even by members that are black themselves. Most cubans are jobless most starve because the rationed food is not enough to cover the prescribed time period. The remittances do help but all in all Cuba is in bad shape. Link http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-....e/2007/07/02/AR2007070201103.html

Here's another link http://www.papillonsartpalace.com/party.htm

archie it is pointless to argue with these stooges of communism

Goulet the thing that i question is? if Cuba is so great why not exile yourselves there. Go ahead go live in Cuba, live among the people. I bet you wont last a week there, you'll be begging to come back to the U.S. in a heart beat.

archie you got the wrong guy ...I live in the DR and have no desire to live in Cuba under Communism unlike dread who is always promoting the tropical gulag since belial was kicked off

Lets see. Those who are defending Castro Government are Defending a Government that:

Denies Freedom of Speech

Does not allow free elections.

Denies it's own people access to information.

Holds 100's of Political Prisoners

Maintains an economic system that is a failure.

Kills people for just wanting to leave.

Exactly what moral highground are you guys talking from? The bottom of the Grand Canyon?

dread is bitter because caricom has been rejected emphatically by the DR so he is now trying to suck up to Castro....Who last week pretended to care of the sandbars in Caricoms existence....poor bitter dread striking out at everyone....he and the charlatan have the morals of a limbo dancer....How Low Can You Go ?

Fifty years after Fidel Castro took power in Cuba, the big question about the Cuban revolution is not whether it was justified, but whether it was worth it. From all available evidence, it wasn't.

A dispassionate look into Cuba today shows that, while the country has reduced the pockets of extreme misery that existed during the Fulgencio Batista dictatorship, a majority of Cubans are poorer and have fewer opportunities to improve their lives than they did five decades ago.

Cubans today have a pretty low per capita income compared with other Latin American nations. They have fewer television sets, telephones, computers and cars relative to their population than most Latin American countries, and the lowest percentage of people with access to the Internet in the region, even below Haiti.

And while Cuba does well in literacy and infant mortality indicators, it does lousy in others. Cuba has one of the highest suicide rates in the Americas.Hope you enjoy your tropical paradise

Goulet i did not mean you just to clarify, i meant the others that are in love with a retrogressive regime. That has no future in the world community.

I have no sympathy or love for Castro or any other dictatorships and totalitarian governments. My only contention is why does the US have trade partners that are even more despicable than the Castro regime and trades with them and not Cuba, that's it. Can someone please attempt to reconcile this paradox.

the last time it appeared there was going to be progress during the Clinton administration...Castro manufactured the incident of shooting down the two unarmed Cessna in international waters - Cuba shoots down U.S. planes - Feb. 24, 1996 it was then it was obvious to most that the regime survives by creating antagonisms with the USA....with Obama he will have a more difficult time playing that card as Obama will lift some of the restrictions on expats and travel.and sending money..these things will continue to erode the old way as Obama moves in the direction of normalization

devin, when you put facts and logic to the likes of GC, you are throwing pearls before swine. and not just in the figurative sense. he is barely literate, just to the degree that he can operate a PC. gladly, the preponderant majority of the board sees him for the cretinous vermin he is, and upbraid him for his lack of good qualities. he has posted over 10,000 times, without the achievement of making one intelligent remark. he is a wandering colonial minstrel, a harbinger of misery and discord, an untrustworthy and deceitful man, bereft of honor and principle. the entire human race is ashamed that he could possibly be one of them; the jury is still out on that.

Comrade Dread please stop sucking up....you are becoming very repetitive ...same old verbose rubbish ......,this time at least you left out the slimy race card ....I know it will be coming soon off the bottom of your slimy deck...are you bucking for the Caricom liason stooges job in Havana ?....that will be a very small office

well, if it ain't the king of the tired old one liners, GC. well, well, well; accusing another of being repetitive. a poor, limited waste of air, who has given us the same old phrases every day, in his simple-minded musings. GC, you are the laughing stock of the board. you are the only person who reads this board who probably believes that you have the vestiges of a connected mind. you seem to me to be an escapee from mental institutions the world over. but i like your indomitable spirit, and your defiance of all who deem you to be a jackass.

your grinding repetition of your leftist wacko propaganda is the only thing that is boring and repetitive....please examine yourself Comrade Dread...reflect

Denies Freedom of Speech

Does not allow free elections.

Denies it's own people access to information.

Holds 100's of Political Prisoners

Maintains an economic system that is a failure.

Kills people for just wanting to leave.

Exactly what moral highground are you guys talking from? The bottom of the Grand Canyon?

US has 2.9 million people injured in motor accidents a year.
42,000 killed.
.
US auto companies sell more powerful cars that are dangerous through irresponsible free speech!
Millions incarcerated
US electtons are dominated by advertising spend so are not 'free'. Candidates are not boud by election promises - they just grow rich.

US people have in theory access to information - but newspapers are censored by propietors, TV stations likewise.

Americans die on average 1 year or more earlier than other counries with similar standard of living.

The US economic system is the biggest disaster on the planet - leading to soup kitchen and food stamp

society.
Come on aC make another joke!
S.

when you use public restrooms and you are standing at the urinal....look down ...the joke is in your hand!

Urine is clean compared with some parts of US society!
Go kiss a skunk! A skunk would not honour you!
S.

You are right - no-one likes Broken Down TV man.
S.

Broken Down TV man - go to China for a brain transplant!
S.

I pity anyone who gets yours! Brain Dead!
S.

yes, generoso; we are being graced with the malodorous presence of the stench of the St Lawrence. it could be worse. we could actually be in his physical presence. now that would be a fate worse than death itself.

the caravan moves on

maybe you ought to consider getting aboard .

dread
You are so right about that.
Imagine putting up with the stinky ignorant troll in a "publico" with no air and the windows up!
Death would be most welcomed!
That could be new torture technique used to make prisoners confess, worse that listening to recordings of babies crying constantly or water boarding.

charlatan I guess for you some days it's not worth chewing through the straps.....this is one of them

you said a mouthful, generoso. this board is his only link to the world, as he has been rejected and ostracised in every other place under the firmament. he is willing to endure and abide the calumny he receives, because it is the best he can hope for. he cannot wait for a thread to open to give the world his "view" of things, since he has to remind us that he is alive. WE DO NOT CARE!

Dread
Did you hear the "troll" ruminations?
His clear lack of a formal education in his mode of expression points out to another factoid;
Not only is the troll stinky and unpleasant in every which way but he also stands alone
in his conversations as the rest of the posters are ignoring him.
His worst punishment is to be ignored! self full filling prophecy has come to being.
Once again the troll is repulsed, rejected and ejected by all.

the sad part is that he actually believes, in his deluded mind, that people value his opinions. he thinks he is doing us a favor by posting, and that, without him, our storehouses of ideas would become depleted. poor, delusional soul.

how nice you guys together jerking each other off

Dread
Nooooooooooooo! In his warped mind set he really believes that? He is a sick puppy then.
Is that why he runs to every post to piss his one liners and can't wait to be the first one to offer
his out of sync comments once a new post opens?

dread
He said jerk, jerk, jerking how about that, a new word from his florid vocabulary.
Another really sick trait of the troll is his delight for homoerotic exchanges.

you guys and your mindless drivel ....the verbose airbag and the flip flop know nothing...you make a lovely couple....not that there is anything wrong with that

dread
He didn't use his other favorite homoerotic saying "massaging each others balls",
now he is up to two one liners, I guess that's an improvement.
I have to go the gas mask filter has to be changed.
Ciao!

just you charlatan up with your grapefruit sized prostate.....dont eat to much peyote you may start thinking you are actually a worthwhile human being and that would be a horrible mistake

Broken down TV man with Broken Down brain. Go back to the soup kitchen in the US of A,.
S.

wanker still holding the joke in your hand ?hahaha

Dreads,

Have you been pissing eveyrone off while I was on vacation?


Its is funny to me you like tourism for cuba for all the benefits it brings to the people wow!

Yet you say the people of the dr are getting screwed by tourism wow!

That degree you have DREADS how the hell did you get it wow!

You are so out of it man! you are not from the DR that is for sure nobody would talk bout there country like this!

Beat it man go to cuba and eat the xxxx food and enjoy

abc,


The homeless in the US live better than the middle class in the UK. Al 2 of them.

tfiske, i am willing to go to any country on earth except for canada. the sole reason is that you ostensibly live there. send me to the poorest parts of the world with no creature comforts. i will survive. i simply would perish in canada knowing that a stinking illiterate, miserable, loathsome piece of garbage might run into me. when you failed to post for a few weeks, i hoped that one of your moose victims had gored you, much to the relief of mankind. sadly, we have to endure you some more. would you consider jumping off the CN tower? i will show you the way up, and bid you fond farewell.

Cuban lies as usual ....surging tourism what a joke....The DR has 60 thousand hotel rooms to fill on the entire Island and travel and tourism is hurting....to put that in perspective there is a little city in Nevada called Las Vegas that will soon open its 150 thousandth room in one town....talk about competition....then there is that quaint little town Orlando with about 100 thousand plus rooms thrown into the mix as well....go figure...and they are not going to put those cruise ships in mothballs either.....this government is not telling the truth about economic stability in 2009 ....just like the Cuban government is not telling the truth

dreads,

Your a loser... go have a cup of tea! You are not tough enough to visit canada..

Dreads, you are nothing but a complainer !

Go whine to somebody else... guys like you are a cancer!

aC
If what you say about 2 homeless in the US there must be one hell of a fraud going on. The Churches - government etc. are in on it. One of biggest Ponzi schemes in the USA.
http://4homeless.hypermart.net/soup_kitchens.html
No soup kitchens in Cuba - Workers Reastaurants like they had in Yogoslavia!
This BB is even getting invaded by Fascists and the like in the guise of the American Legion.
Given the history of the American Legion and its founders, speeches addressed to it about standing up to fascism are somewhat ironic. Particularly since the leadership retains its reactionary role, with its national commander declaring in August 2005 that it would "stand against anyone and any group that would demoralize our troops, or worse, endanger their lives by encouraging terrorists to continue their cowardly attacks against freedom-loving peoples . . . We had hoped that the lessons learned from the Vietnam War would be clear to our fellow citizens.

Public protests against the war here at home while our young men and women are in harm's way on the other side of the globe only provide aid and comfort to our enemies." So freedom is best defended by destroying it at home?
http://anarchism.ws/writers/anarcho/usa/americanlegion.html
US pretends to export free speeach but at the same time tries to export dubious closed organisations such as the Legion that have no place in a free society.
S.

well, well , well; looka here. on the day when everybody is wishing each other a happy holiday, and good health, what do we have? the persistent stench and ooze of the internet, TFISKE, with more of his nonsense. Tfiske, we all know of the plans you have for Santa's reindeer, and so does Santa. that is why you are isolated in the frozen tundra, with no friends, no family, and nothing but your malodorous corpse to keep you company. don't be mad, TFISKE; later today, my friends and i will be partaking of a time tested Dominican tradition. a roasted pig will be going to his final resting place; my stomach. then, a few bottles of barcelo will meet an untimely end. there will be much dancing with lovely, smiling women. and you? you will be chasing a caribou to keep you warm. so, do you bother me? the answer is ,no! the only thing that can ruin my day is if there is an announcement that you are in the neighborhood. then again, i would smell you from the airport. for christmas, i wish

you leprosy. either that, or i hope the moose you plan to rape later in the evening gores you to death. for guarantees, why dont you just go ice fishing on a semi frozen lake. that would be your christmas present to me, you nasty, objectionable excuse for a human being!

On a recent visit to Cuba, Russian president Vladimir Putin saw that all Cubans were wearing broken shoes. He asked Castro how come after 50 years of socialism Cubans didn't have any good shoes to wear. Castro asked him: "And are things any different in Russia?"

Putin answered back that yes, things were different and if he wanted he could come with him to Russia and if he found anyone wearing broken shoes he had his permission to shoot him.

Castro and Putin headed to Russia in Putin's plane and as soon as Castro came out of the plane he saw a person wearing broken shoes. Castro took his pistol and shot him.

The next day there was this headline in all Russian newspapers:

CRAZY BEARDED MAN SHOOTS THE CUBAN AMBASSADOR AT THE AIRPORT!

There used to be a tradition in the UK to have a collection to buy shoes on the first day of school for children whose parents could not afford them.
From what I hear of the US with soup kitchens, food stamap, dispossessed people sleeping in tent cities, huge crime and delinquency and ill-eductated teachers who can't add up or spell the US needs to re-introduce this idea.
In the US if you are out late at night the cops will shoot you for sure just to tidy up.
US citizens continue to rejoice at the misery of others while ignoring their own problems and promoting misery for the World at large.
S.

There is no real poverty in the US.

The poor in the US have Cable TV and Cell Phones.

Sure a few slip through the cracks. Especially the mentally Ill but that is the fault of, what was then, a Liberal Supreme Court.

one would have hoped that Santa would have brought anthonyc a brain for christmas.i guess it was too much to ask. anyway, i will inform agencies such as UNESCO that Dr anthonyc has postulated that as long as you have a cellphone and cable tv, you are nor really poor. come to think of it, we really have no poor people in the DR either, since most people have a cell phone, and access to cable , too. i am awaiting his exposition on how the liberal supreme court allowed the mentally ill to "slip through the cracks". speaking of crack, maybe anthonyc should give the pipe a rest for 2009; a mind is a terrible thing to waste.

Poverty in US of A.
http://www.cssdioc.org/CCHD/poverty.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0YYG-f3qYE8
http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/2007/04/poverty_numbers.html
S.

ABC, if you are attempting to enlighten anthonyc, just remember that you cannot shine sh*t

A historic day!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7807464.stm
Poverty increases in US:
http://www.solvingpoverty.com/PovertyFacts.htm
GC is a wrigling sand worm with no brain, a parasitic fluke on society, probably hermaphroditic!
S.

Jeez,

Poor is a relative term.

Are the poor in the US as poor as those in Haiti?

If you have a cel phone and Cable TV you are not poor.
If you look for food in a dump and live in a chack made of empty boxes...you are poor.

That is destitution not poverty!
They have made life tough for people who hunt the trash in US!
http://www.planetark.com/dailynewsstory.cfm/newsid/17830/story.htm
It is a pity you, like many Americans, suffer from deep deprivation of education.
http://www.un.org/esa/socdev/unyi....uments/ydiDavidGordon_poverty.pdf
No wonder the World has such a dim view of the US!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7324337.stm
S.

Cuba is rich and very infuential!
http://www.arabnews.com/?page=7&a....93468&d=11&m=3&y=2007
GC is a poor worm who badly needs to cast off his old skin! Or maybe find a patch of tundra up somewhere in the North of Canada and gradually go comatose.
S.

"No wonder the World has such a dim view of the US!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/7324337.stm"

Real Americans don't care if the rest of the world likes us.

We want them to fear us!!!

As we use to say; When we have them by the balls...their hearts and minds will follow!

Sounds if you are both off to join the KKK........ and enjoy the burning cross on the hillside!
Woe to the wretch who fails to rear
At this dread sign the ready spear!
Far o'er its roof the volumed flame
Clan Alpine's vengeance shall proclaim,
While maids and matrons on his name,
Shall call down wretchedness and shame,
And infamy and woe.
When flits this cross from man to man,
Vich-Alpine's summons to his Clan,
Burst be the ear that fails to heed!
Palsied the foot that shuns to speed!
May ravens tear the careless eyes,
Wolves make the coward heart their prize!
As sinks that blood stream in the earth,
So may his heart's blood drench his hearth!

Heed the call of the fiery cross!


S.

and, anthonyc, i guess you are one of the REAL AMERICANS who have the world by the balls?you dont need to worry about whether or not other people like you; i can assure you that they abhor you. as to poverty being relative; not exactly. at least not in academic terms. maybe in the societies in which you aspire to live, poverty means you had to put off buying the lamborghini until next year. in the real world, poverty is a more tangible and urgent issue, measured by one's income in a given country.

Dready,

Stop being such a typical Liberal.

I said there is no real poverty in the US. I was not talking about other countries.

Stop with the academic crap also. If anything it is Liberal education policies that have destroyed the US educational system.

BTW Lambos are New Rich, Chopo cars.

There is no real poverty in the US.

Dread, Enjoy your Mecca-Cola. Universities can follow the brilliant example of University of Sharjah in the United Arab Emirates stop selling soft drinks manufactured by US multinationals.
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/EA24Ak01.html
Zamm Zam Cola is also good. Soon some entepreneur will import to DR.
kvass sales are up in Russia!
Could be a fine drink for welcoming Russian tourists and submariners when Russian submarines visit.
S.

Poor aC might have to delay bidding due to his poverty:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090103/ap_on_re_eu/eu_britain_supercar
It is such a shame to see such a unique chance go by. It might be Russian investor could bid.
Horror of horrors he might have to stoop to a kit car using recycled parts.
http://www.gkdsportscars.com/
I'm told you can even make these cars electric!
S.

HAHAHA

Electric cars.
Great if you have no life and nowhere to go. No range. Too long to recharge.
So they are great if you live in a declining nation like the UK.

ABC Don't even try to get in a car debate with me. The Car Biz are my stock and trade.

Barn finds happen all the time. Saw 3 yeaterday at the Kruse auction in Boca.
I am restoring a Lancia Beta Turbo Montecarlo myself for vintage racing.

solar cars go accross Australia.
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/879557/awesome_solar_cars/
This is what you need - a good classic British Car based on a German design!
80 mpg! Don't give money to the arabs for Gas!
http://www.classiccarsforsale.co.uk/classic-car-page.php/carno/40287
S.

"This is what you need - a good classic British Car based on a German design!
80 mpg! Don't give money to the arabs for Gas!
http://www.classiccarsforsale.co.....ic-car-page.php/carno/40287"

I warned you.

That car couldn't be produced today.
It wouldn't even come close to meeting Safety and emission standards.
I could design a car that gets 100 MPG with no problem. It wouldn't pass emission standards.
Safety standards reduce fuel efficiency by at least 30%. Emission another 25-30%.

Guess what? You can't have your cake and eat it to.

Of course, its a classic car. Nor would any car from the 60's Smart car is modern. http://www.usa.smart.com/is-the-smart-fortwo-car-safe.aspx
http://www.usa.smart.com/smart-fortwo-ecology.aspx
http://www.smartcarofamerica.com/....ars/smart_diesel_powered_car.html
70mpg
With German Prime Minister!
http://www.smartcarofamerica.com/....t_edition_micro_hybrid_drive.html
S.

You are not as smart as Smart!
S.

actually, anthonyc, you can have your cake, and eat it. you cannot, however, eat your cake, and have it. that is why the correct saying is "you cannot eat your cake and have it."/

you can cook with oil then use it for your Smart diesel!
S.

abc,

Give up!
The smart Diesel is not sold in the US. It cannot be made to run efficiently with the new The US mandatory low sulfur diesel fuel.

BioDiesel is just another Ethanol. Taking productive farmland and using it to replace cheap, clean and efficient oil is morally criminal.

Electric is great for the 1st 50 or so miles then make yourself comfortable. You ain't going anywhere for awhile.

Lets not forget the Haz-Mat teams that have to be called out if you get into a bad accident in a electric or Hybrid car.

Also 40 HP micro mini's might be ok for the girlie UK drivers and their kiddie roads but it won't cut it in the US and the US consumers.

Dready,

You think you would have learned by now. Stop. You look silly. Your tired old ideas are being purchased anymore.

Shorted a fuse have we?
Yes, US consumers need a big car to live in after their house is re-possessed!
An electric Smart is just the thing to get down to the local casino when someone looses their job - very cheap to run and casinos are giving them away!
Maybe they modify the slot machines so all the arm action charges the Smarts while people play!

Indiana Live an all new Indiana casino will be giving away an electric Smart Car. Winners must be present when their names are announced to carry home the prizes.

http://www.smartcarofamerica.com/....ars/first_all_electric_smart.html
Hey man this could be a whole new trend!
Also electric Mini starting!
http://www.greencar.com/features/first-look-mini-e-electric-car/
S.

More electric cars.
That means less traffic and more gas for me.

Only idiots who know nothing about automobiles are advocating electric cars. The Auto Manufacturers love them because they get Tax breaks and can charge stupid prices for them.

i agree that electric cars are not the answer. i also agree with the posters on the board that you are a nincompoop who dabbles in issues that are outside the scope of your brain. if any ideas are not being bought anymore, it is the ideas of dog eat dog capitalism, which you advocate. you see, anthony, there are three types of capitalism. one is individualist capitalism, such as practised in the USA. it is a winner take all, the hell with everybody else lifestyle. then there is communal capitalism, where the winner takes most, but the society also benefits from the efforts of others. that is the European iteration. then, there is producer capitalism, such as Japan and China, wherein society takes most. somehow, i think your version is losing traction. otherwise, all your buddies would not be coming to Washington with hat in hand.

Dready,

If Europe's and China's system is so great how come people from those areas are migrating to the US vs Americans Migrating to those areas in a ratio greater than 10 to 1

dread
ninkenpoop! I haven't heard that one for a long time! Made me laugh this sunday morning.
Very well put and an excellent explanation of capitalism. Dog eat dog capitalism fueled by greed
has been finally buried and lies rotting in the past just as steam locomotives and internal combustion engines are RIP.
Read this in todays NY times:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/01/04....04lewiseinhorn.html?th&emc=th

Go dread go! you are just getting started!

Go air!
http://gas2.org/2008/07/15/an-air....ms-106-mpg-compressed-air-hybrid/
But poor Americans and aC have to find something to spend his money on and there could be other suggestions - develop a rocket propelled bicycle or boat?
http://www.dself.dsl.pipex.com/MU....T/rocketbicycle/rocketbicycle.htm
A few ot these could boost his car!
http://aardvark.co.nz/pjet/xjet.shtml
S.

Where do you get 10:1 7 million US citizens abroard.
And as the value of the euro - the currency shared by 15 EU countries - rises and America's economy slumps, it's an attractive alternative for Amber Alfano, a recent University of Florida graduate who is becoming an Italian citizen like her father.

"I'm doing it as an exit strategy of sorts," Alfano said. "I like knowing that I have another place to go if things get even worse here, or if I just get tired of running on the American mouse wheel.

Get an exit strategy.
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/loca....07/s1a_dual_citizenship_0608.html
S.

Dread the question is 'Will China and other countries continue to prop up the dollar or will the dollar go into free - fall? The signs are that China is stoppinb buying bonds etc. Rich countries want to impose the crisis on developing countries.
http://www.business-standard.com/....avecrisis-export-it/23/56/345067/

Only a collective firmness against the threats and blandishments that the rich countries will use at the WTO can save the poor nations from an impending catastrophe on the food front. There is a major flashpoint ahead. The UN special rapporteur on the right to food, Olivier de Schutter, has warned that the Doha Round will not prevent another food crisis in the world. In this first-ever report prepared by a UN independent expert on this highly contentious subject, de Schutter has examined whether the current path of trade liberalisation in agriculture complies with the WTO members’ obligations towards the human right to adequate food. "
Countries such as China, Cuba leads the way and countries such as DR can follow in the development of food self-sufficiency.
S.

DR can produce enough milk to replace imported dried powder etc. etc.
Cuba is making progress - not enough but some.
http://www.cubanews.ain.cu/2008/0708prodalimentos.htm

China supports the revolution's aniversary.

http://www.plenglish.com/article.asp?ID={CE2C8F49-AA3B-4ADC-8765-8FD8146BAE31}&language=EN

S.

abc200
Over population in the world is also the cause of food shortages.
We must get to the point of 2 billion inhabitants on earth. Over population just stresses the already limited food sources.
Religious leaders are partially at blame for not encouraging birth control.
We must impose birth limitations now as an urgent and needed measure.

"7 million US citizens abroad"

Compared to a nation of 300 million immigrants?

So I guess it is 42.95 to 1.

But wait.
How many of the US citizens abroad are there because their jobs sent them?
What about Government workers?
What about Charity workers? Peace Corp? Missionaries?
And don't forget our Military men making the world safe.

That 7 Million is probably closer to 2 million Americans who have left.

There is much argument over this.
First when people have a certain standard of living and low child mortality then birthrate tends to drop. Plus countries such as China already under pressure have one child policies etc.
However on a theoretical point the nitrogen and carbon cycles, on which we depend on food, are capable of considerabe enhancement. Little of the Earth and Sea surface is cultivated at present. But rich countries have huge environmental footprints and some are only now gradually reducing these, by for example, eating less meat, more urban farming etc. Comprehensive food planning has only been done for a few countries such as China.
http://english.people.com.cn/90001/90777/90855/6438981.html

successful agricultural sector is critical to China's development. First, it must feed more than 1.3 billion people, about 21 percent of the world's population, using only 7 percent of the world's arable land. Second, it must provide raw materials for the industrial sector. Third, agricultural exports must earn the foreign exchange needed to purchase key industrial and technological items from other countries.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Agriculture_in_the_People's_Republic_of_China
China agriculture grain output up 14% in five years.
http://www.chinability.com/2007%20economic%20report_copy(1).htm
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2007-03/19/content_830762_7.htm
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/china/2007-03/19/content_830762_2.htm
http://www.ers.usda.gov/AmberWaves/June08/Features/ChinaFeed.htm
M2M has potential.
China is feeding its people on a limited amont of farmland. If other countries do this then large populations can be fed.
S.

It is hoped that Chinese methods will meet sucess in Cuba and other countries.
S.

"Written by: abc200, 4 Jan 2009 11:46 AM
From: United Kingdom
It is hoped that Chinese methods will meet sucess in Cuba and other countries."

Keep hoping!
That is all you have.
Never worked before so hope it will work now.

I just point out that even from the viewpoint of USA agronomists etc. China has made more of a success of its agriculture in gaining yeilds and feeding her people from limited amounts of farmland than many other countries. So, yes I believe it is the best hope for other countries,.
By the way, I also quoted views other than Chinese government. China and Cuba are expected to co-operate.
S.

ABC, China is buying less US treasury bills because the dollar continues to slide. when the 7.7 trillion dollars of bailout money kicks in, the dollar will not be worth a dime. the sovereign funds are all looking to buy Euro instead

Immigration is a selfish policy of US. Whole countries are denuded of doctors, nurses, engineers etc. bacause the US finds it cheaper to import than train their own. So people that could have been nurses reaming on food stamps - importing people is a cheap quick fix but increases human hardship and suffering in burdened developing countries.
USA is also often too mean to pay local people.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nati....5-12-13-school-nurses_x.htm?POE=N
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/72385.php

http://www.nursingdegree.net/articles/nursing-enrollments.htm
S.

Hey man with oil at fiftly dollars a barrel all rich US citizens can afford to pay or by wooly cardigans.
I see this coming and offer you an excellent chance to get in on the ground floor of my new venture 'wooly cardigan company'. Huge potential of people in MacMansions left out in the cold by Hugo.
S.

Marlene Negrene stood on the first tee of Havana's golf club, driver in hand and looking forward to a pleasurable nine holes to be followed perhaps by a cocktail at the Hoyo 19. "I love it here," said the former lecturer in English at Havana's prestigious university. "It's where I meet interesting people."

So fond is Ms Negrene of Havana's only golf course that she quit her university job to become the club's caddy master, an unusual career move even by Cuban standards. "The pay is about the same but the hours are better," she said. Strict government wage control keeps heart surgeons and street-sweepers on similar salaries, of about $20 to $40 a month.

"Written by: abc200, 6 Jan 2009 10:20 AM
From: United Kingdom
Hey man with oil at fiftly dollars a barrel all rich US citizens can afford to pay or by wooly cardigans."

But haven't you been saying that the US's economy is in ruins and poverty is rampant?

So what is it? Is America rich or Poor? You can't have it both ways as you pound the keyboards on your AMERICAN invented and developed P.C. and wrtite your dribble on the AMERICAN invented internet.

So what do you use? Are you a Windows guy or a Mac weenie?

Fidel Castro's Cuban revolution is an economic failure caused by their obsolete
state controlled production methods, the Castros have
enslaved the Cuban's and make the whole island a huge concentration camp.
Yes they have accomplished many things in sports, public health and education, but at what cost in other liberties such at the freedom to choose a new government, the freedom to dissent and have given up the freedom to travel and migrate.
They have the most powerful military in the Americas after the USA, but their main purpose is repression and to maintain the dictatorship in power.
Their motto "libertad o muerte" has been the old and worn out slogan for their autocratic hold on power. Their out of sync with the 21 ST century bureaucratic government is seriously outdated and stumbling to barely keep up with the rest of the world and lives in the forgotten era of the 1960's.
Cuba needs fresh political blood after the embargo is removed and the Castro
brothers should leave.

A breath of fresh air !.....yes the leadership has calcified and the people are unhappy and unless Castro can cook something up to get the people to buy into a hate America hate Obama thing the old timers are Kaput and soon ........THEY HAVE NOTHING TO EAT......and you cant eat a revolution that took place 50 years ago

aC, the brainless Pollock has surfaced again!
http://www.flickr.com/photos/uk-talk-like-a-pirate-day/440756429/
Go eat your French toast!
Germany had first Turing complete computer! Development thereafter was shared by other nations.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colossus_computer
Internet useless without WWW
http://www.boutell.com/newfaq/history/inventedweb.html
Been contacting Arabs, Europeans, Chinese and other rich nations to dontate cardigans!
Linux is only OS!
S.