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SANTO DOMINGO.- Cabarete’s natural sailing conditions attract many windsurf, kiteboarding and laser sailors, though the threat of future high-rises pose a threat to the community's dynamic tourism-based economy.

"The community of Cabarete is about to kill the goose that lays the golden egg if it continues to tolerate high-rise condos," said the architect Omar Bros of the Dominican Sailing Federation.

The sailing expert warns that the planned condos can create "nightmarish" wind tunnels and downstream turbulence that will affect the smooth wind patterns that have made the area the world Mecca for windsurf, kite boarding and Laser sailors that it is today.

Cabarete community groups highlight the fact that there are hundreds of islands in the Caribbean with beaches, but Cabarete’s success is based on people coming for its winds and enjoy the multicolor spectacle of dozens of sails in the ocean and air. "The sea views and active sporting atmosphere would not be the same once the sailors go elsewhere, if conditions were changed by the high rises planned for the area."

The community warns of the possible consequences that more four-story buildings would have on Cabarete’s ecosystem. Several have already been built, despite zoning rules in the north coast that limit construction to three floors. Other high-rise condos are planned for the Cabarete area.

Thermal winds in Cabarete are created by the temperature difference between land and sea. Bare land cools quickly at nighttime, while cement buildings conserve the heat well into the night. The less cement, the less heat, and therefore more natural wind flow.

The boom in the construction of seafront condos over three floors high and real estate speculation are not compatible with the sustainable and long-term development of this community that is the pride and joy of Puerto Plata province due to its attractiveness to domestic and international tourism.

The new proposed density for high rises is also a matter of concern because of the limited ability of the Cabarete lagoon to handle the waste that would be generated by the new occupants. There is also concern that the beach sands could be eroded due to disruption in the wind flow, which could cause Cabarete to lose its entire beach. 

The third concern is that the increase in density would generate even more traffic on the only road that runs through Cabarete as traffic moves east from Puerto Plata or west from Samana.

A petition has been submitted to the Ministry of Environment to study the effect of the high rises on the ecology and to evaluate the consequences of continuing to allow these constructions, despite the ban that exists in the zoning law for the north coast.

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Written by: gouletcolonial, 26 Aug 2008 10:25 AM
From: United States, California, San Francisco, Treasure Island
I cant wait to hear the other side of this story....Now that we have heard from the three windsurfers who actually own anything in Cabarete .....
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Written by: skysail, 26 Aug 2008 10:35 AM
From: Dominican Republic
The most successful developer of Real Estate Projects in Cabarete said , that 80% of the Condos sold in Cabarete , where bought by windsurfers and kitesurfers or Laser sailors.
Makes me wonder who will buy once the wind is gone!!!!!!
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Written by: skysail, 26 Aug 2008 11:02 AM
From: Dominican Republic
BTW gouletcolonial, which other side you talking about ?
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Written by: gouletcolonial, 26 Aug 2008 11:05 AM
From: United States, California, San Francisco, Treasure Island
sky sail sorry your figures must be correct 80% you say......are you sure?.....80% how unusual
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Written by: gouletcolonial, 26 Aug 2008 11:06 AM
From: United States, California, San Francisco, Treasure Island
and completely laughable
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Written by: skysail, 26 Aug 2008 11:22 AM
From: Dominican Republic
This is why the wind/kite/laser sailors are concerned.

http://www.dr1.com/forums/north-c....3-rd-lane-cabarete-highway-4.html
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Written by: gouletcolonial, 26 Aug 2008 11:26 AM
From: United States, California, San Francisco, Treasure Island
Good zoning in beach areas is to be the goal we strive for .....Boca Chica it is to late....
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Written by: gouletcolonial, 26 Aug 2008 11:27 AM
From: United States, California, San Francisco, Treasure Island
Makes me wonder who will buy once the wind is gone!!!!!!......the same people that buy everywhere else in the Caribbean...that who .....windsurfers or not
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Written by: gouletcolonial, 26 Aug 2008 11:40 AM
From: United States, California, San Francisco, Treasure Island
What next save the JET SKIs ?
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Written by: Jander, 26 Aug 2008 12:32 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Too dam windy up there for me anyways.. I hate getting sand in my coctails.




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Written by: gouletculonial, 26 Aug 2008 12:52 PM
From: Dominican Republic
muy divertido .. hahahaha .. too much foni .. hohohoho ..
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Written by: anthonyC, 26 Aug 2008 1:05 PM
From: United States
Do they have any scientific data to back up thier allegations or are they just a bunch of Nimbys?

Funny how I have never seem to have heard abou this before anywhere.........Of course a couple of highrise's footprints can have devastating effect on a natural occurance that happens from litterally 100's of square miles.
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Written by: skysail, 26 Aug 2008 1:34 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Urban forms affect main climatic elements, such as solar radiation, wind speed and air temperature. They are claimed to be the major cause of intra-urban climatic variations. This paper discusses the impact on urban air temperatures of urban configuration variables such as building density, spacing and orientation. The temperature profiles reflect the effect of heat storage, as the higher density experiences warmer temperatures during the afternoon until early morning. Similarly, the daytime temperatures for deeper canyons are cooler, but night-time temperatures are warmer. East-West axis Street proved to be of preferable temperatures in both solstice seasons.
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Written by: dreadlocks, 26 Aug 2008 1:37 PM
From: United States
anthonyc, what do you mean by "devastating effect on a natural occurence that happens from literally 100s of square miles"? the land and sea breezes in cabarete are local phenomena. they are not a part of any major weather pattern. they are caused , quite simply, by the relative temperatures between the land and the sea. during the day, the wind blows from sea to land, and at night it is reversed.
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Written by: gouletcolonial, 26 Aug 2008 2:02 PM
From: United States, California, San Francisco, Treasure Island
Dread the perfect cause for you Humanitarian that you are and all around greenie" SAVE the JET SKI " actually I can think of a lot of reasons to zone for quality sewers density water quality,reef preservation ecology impact .....but not this.....this is a press release by some windsurfers group...they ask who is going to buy here?.... The same people who buy in Aruba ,Annegada and anywhere else ....the ones who want to be next to the ocean....we are not talking Bahia de Aguilas here ...............just some cheesy resort for a bunch of kids to get stoned on the beach.....the condos might be selling to Canadians those cheapo cardboard jobs are further inland at 50 thou a copy
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Written by: skysail, 26 Aug 2008 2:45 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Well gouletcolonial , if I recall correctly a bunch of stoned kids on the beach stopped the development at Seco di Rogans on Aruba years ago.
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Written by: anthonyC, 26 Aug 2008 2:48 PM
From: United States
Written by: dreadlocks, 26 Aug 2008 1:37 PM
From: United States
anthonyc, what do you mean by "devastating effect on a natural occurence that happens from literally 100s of square miles"?

What I mean is that I fail to see how the footprint of a few Highrises can have an affect on a climatic condition that is caused by 100's of square miles of geography.
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Written by: gouletcolonial, 26 Aug 2008 3:09 PM
From: United States, California, San Francisco, Treasure Island
the global warming weanies have gone to far....lets pave the beaches
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Written by: dreadlocks, 26 Aug 2008 3:13 PM
From: United States
can you not understand, anthonyc? it is a LOCAL PHENOMENON. it is not part of any massive weather system. otherwise it would be far more widespread. it is a combination of ocean currents and topography which coincide optimally in exactly this area. if not, it would be everywhere along the north coast, and cabarete would not be unique. is that so hard to grasp?
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Written by: dreadlocks, 26 Aug 2008 3:16 PM
From: United States
it is not the footprint that counts. it is the cooling effect. the concrete in the buildings retains heat at night, which uncluttered land does not. for the winds to blow from land to sea, the sea has to be hotter than the land. with concrete in place in great concentration, the land stays hotter than the sea at all times!
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Written by: gouletcolonial, 26 Aug 2008 3:18 PM
From: United States, California, San Francisco, Treasure Island
wind surfing at night with miners helmets
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Written by: dreadlocks, 26 Aug 2008 3:23 PM
From: United States
i can just see you now, with your Courvoisier in the free hand, in a snifter, no less!
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Written by: gouletcolonial, 26 Aug 2008 3:39 PM
From: United States, California, San Francisco, Treasure Island
Ole
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Written by: skysail, 26 Aug 2008 5:06 PM
From: Dominican Republic

Written by: gouletcolonial, 26 Aug 2008 3:18 PM
From: Canada
wind surfing at night with miners helmets

Any more great ideas??? You sound like a windsurfer.
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Written by: skysail, 26 Aug 2008 5:07 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Written by: gouletcolonial, 26 Aug 2008 3:18 PM
From: Canada
wind surfing at night with miners helmets

Any more great ideas??? . Maybe they can pave the beach at night , using their miners helmets.
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Written by: gouletcolonial, 26 Aug 2008 5:08 PM
From: United States, California, San Francisco, Treasure Island
extreme skateboard kite surfing
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Written by: skysail, 26 Aug 2008 5:11 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Written by: gouletcolonial, 26 Aug 2008 5:08 PM
From: Canada
extreme skateboard kite surfing

Since when a skateboard is used for Kite surf , wouldn't it be called boarding.

Maybe some waterboarding for you gou......
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Written by: Escott, 26 Aug 2008 6:58 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Sosua/Cabrera
Dred, let me get this straight. The owners of the beachfront properties should forfeit development rights to the windsurfers?

I think these Windsurfers should be purchasing the beachfront land that is by the way very expensive. That would be economically fair thing to do.

I don't believe for a moment that 80% of these WAY Overpriced Cabarete condos are being bought by these CHEAP CHEAP low end surferbum vacationers for the most part. If you said 80% of the Cabarete condos are being bought by investers/gamblers I would absolutely agree with that because that would be true..

I actually predict a crash in Sales AND Prices of Cabarete Condos which would lead to fewer developments in the next year or so.

The Traffic is TERRIBLE and always was because of the only way in and out is one lane in both directions and of course you have uncivilized rude Dominicans who park right in the middle of traffic to have a conversation not giving a crap about anyone.
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Written by: dreadlocks, 26 Aug 2008 7:16 PM
From: United States
Escott, i do not recall editorialising on the state of affairs in cabarete. i merely stated that the winds will cease to blow the way they used to, for better or worse. if cabarete has some other purpose than windsurfing, then, by all means, to hell with the surferbums, as you call them. you advocate that the aforementioned bums should buy the property, but, since you characterise them as cheap, with what will they pay? and, would it not be counterintuitive for surfers to develop the land, to the detriment of their recreation? and, i agree with you about the traffic. sadly, there is no practical way that i can see to widen the road through town. another poorly executed development. haste makes waste!
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Written by: gouletcolonial, 26 Aug 2008 8:08 PM
From: United States, California, San Francisco, Treasure Island
Pave it .....its turning into Boca Chica Norte
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Written by: gouletcolonial, 26 Aug 2008 8:12 PM
From: United States, California, San Francisco, Treasure Island
I just said that to be provocative.....but you better be careful....remember in real special places like Marthas Vineyard Mas. you need permission to pave your driveway...thats what zoning is...it prevents a place from becoming cheesy
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Written by: anthonyC, 26 Aug 2008 8:27 PM
From: United States
"Written by: dreadlocks, 26 Aug 2008 3:16 PM
From: United States
it is not the footprint that counts. it is the cooling effect. the concrete in the buildings retains heat at night, which uncluttered land does not. for the winds to blow from land to sea, the sea has to be hotter than the land. with concrete in place in great concentration, the land stays hotter than the sea at all times!"

Again it makes no sense that a few highrises can effect a weather pattern created by 1000's of miles of Ocean and 100's of square miles of land.
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Written by: dreadlocks, 26 Aug 2008 8:38 PM
From: United States
it makes no sense to those who have not had geography as a part of their formal studies. generally, things make more sense to those who understand them.
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Written by: dreadlocks, 26 Aug 2008 8:44 PM
From: United States
anthonyc, are you reading the thread, or just interjecting to be contrarian? i already explained to you that the winds in cabarete are NOT part of a widespread weather pattern, but a local phenomenon. do you believe if you continue to post contrary opinions that the issue will change?
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Written by: dreadlocks, 26 Aug 2008 11:57 PM
From: United States
as an aside, which might explain this issue for you, anthonyc; why do you think it is that on a small island such as Hispaniola, there are lush, green areas which are almost rain forest-like, and there are areas which are almost like deserts? because the weather conditions are localised in different parts of the island, that is why!
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Written by: CDNresident, 27 Aug 2008 8:55 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Ok 80% sold, just open some real estate magazine and do some simple math and you quickly realize that it is more like 50%. Speculators who have purchased these properties should be concern. Maybe the new secretary of tourism can look in too why some building are as high as five stories, how was this allowed, where are the titles for these property. If we keep building condo and loosing hotel rooms, we will soon have no flight, plus no wind, not the future I had imagined for Cabarete. I think it is time to re-think our strategy the infrastructure is still not in place to support the entire existing project what is it going to be like when all the others are in place.
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Written by: gouletcolonial, 27 Aug 2008 9:12 AM
From: United States, California, San Francisco, Treasure Island
skysail said 80% were sold to wind surfers....if the number is 50% to windsurfers it is still absurd...They would be able to stage and hold the oldtimers and seniors windsurfing world championships year in and year out also Geezers on a kite Worlds
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Written by: anthonyC, 27 Aug 2008 10:21 AM
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Written by: dreadlocks, 26 Aug 2008 8:38 PM
From: United States
it makes no sense to those who have not had geography as a part of their formal studies. generally, things make more sense to those who understand them.

If you think a few highrises can effect the weather patterns of a wide expanse of ocean then it is you who have no grasp of geography, meteorolgy and aerodynamics.
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Written by: dreadlocks, 27 Aug 2008 11:13 AM
From: United States
anthonyc, i cannot discuss this with you further. it is apparent that you are just being pig headed and ignorant, without any understanding of the topic. you see, dear anthony, wide expanses of ocean have things in them called ocean currents. the water can be 2 to 3 degrees colder or warmer in the space of a mile, because of currents. it is this difference in LOCAL temperatures which give rise to local weather and wind patterns. why do you think it rains in some parts of the island more than in other parts? this is not rocket science. do a little googling on winds, then come back. you might start with famous ones such as the harmattan, the fohn, the scirocco, for an understanding of how winds are developed.
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Written by: dreadlocks, 27 Aug 2008 11:15 AM
From: United States
by the way, what the heck does aerodynamics have to do with this? we are discussing wind patterns, not race cars. are you confused?
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Written by: Escott, 27 Aug 2008 3:02 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Sosua/Cabrera
The head of tourismo on the North Coast is doing a big developement in Cabarete and I bet he is excused and able to build closer to the High water mark!

If you offered a Dominican 100 US dollars today or 1000 US dollars Next month and even assuming they knew you and knew your word was golden they would take the 100 bucks today.

You all think you are going to change anything HERE by complaining on some unread website (by Dominican Elite "IN" the DR) you got to be kidding and even if they did they would just tell you "It's our country and we will crap on it the way "WE" see fit".

Like anyplace else DREAD when someone tries to stop others from from developing next door to them (NOT IN MY BACK YARD "NIMBY") I feel they shoujd invest themselves. I personally think that these surferdudes are low end tourists but the other guy said that they buy 80% of the condos here in Cabarete. Buy the land instead and you can stop the construction and the
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Written by: dreadlocks, 27 Aug 2008 3:17 PM
From: United States
Escott, i hear you 100%. firstly, there is nothing written in stone here; no solid laws. so, as you say, the law might prohibit construction a certain distance from the high water mark, but that is just for certain people. if connected people want to build, then there is no law. i am only discussing the meteorology of the issue. i am absolutely positive that there is axe grinding going on on both sides of this issue. and it will not be resolved by zoning laws, permits, town planning, geographic surveys, or any such esoteric remedy. one guy is going to make a phone call to his high powered buddy, and the issue will be settled. is that not the way everything works here?
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Written by: skysail, 27 Aug 2008 3:18 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Written by: CDNresident, 27 Aug 2008 8:55 AM
From: Dominican Republic

Maybe the new secretary of tourism can look in too why some building are as high as five stories, how was this allowed,

Right on!!!!!!
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Written by: dreadlocks, 27 Aug 2008 3:20 PM
From: United States
skysail, that's easy...someone got greased. are you new here?
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Written by: anthonyC, 27 Aug 2008 6:45 PM
From: United States
Dread,

I have met some dense people in my life but you take the cake.

I have forgotten more about ocean currents than you can even pretend to know. Besides racing cars I also was a competitive sailor. I have 1000's of hours on the sea under wind power. I know all about wind currents due to temp. differentials.

I am just stating that A FEW BUILDINGS WILL NOT MAKE A DIFFERENCE TO OFFSHORE WIND PATTERNS!!!!

Jeez we are not talking about the NYC skyline here.

BTW Aerodynamics is a branch of dynamics concerned with studying the motion of air, particularly when it interacts with a moving object.
Air = Wind
Moving object = Wussy Wind Surfers!

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Written by: dreadlocks, 27 Aug 2008 9:54 PM
From: United States
you have got to be the densest human being extant Dr anthonyc. for a guy who has had so much exposure to so many things, you have learned very little, because your head is as thick as a brick. this is all a pointless exercise, because you are too arrogant to concede that you could be wrong. listen here anthony, the temperature differentials only have to be a degree or two to make a difference. it is the unique ability of concrete to retain heat, therefore retarding cooldown of the earth, which is the problem. anyway, why do i bother?
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Written by: CDNresident, 27 Aug 2008 10:07 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Well AnthonyC, the project that is being planed will be 12 story high on the road side in the center of the wind producing erea behind Azuro. Lets let them build it and then will find out, would that be kind of ironic if it would destroy the lagoon, the fresh water tables East of us, the national park, polut the bay and Oh! no wind to bout. Great that is the answer lets grease the goverment monkeys with more money what do they care about cabarete.
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Written by: dreadlocks, 27 Aug 2008 10:18 PM
From: United States
you see, CDNresident, anthonyc is a part of that foul segment of mankind that believes that EVERYTHING should be subjugated to money making. he sees no value in preserving anything, just so long as some decrepit old vermin make money. and, to what end? do you think you can take it with you? we all die broke, dude. so learn to respect the planet, and try to leave something for the unborn generations. he quite probably belongs to the group who believe that no abortions should be legal, but does not give a rats ass about where the kids live when they are born! then again, there is a positive side to all this; i could have been born to be like him, but, thank God, i was not!
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Written by: anthonyC, 28 Aug 2008 7:43 AM
From: United States
OK

If one person can show scientific data that the constructions will cause the winds to stop, mass pollution, destroy the freash water table and whatever else you knee jerkers can come up with off of Caberete then post it here.

If not............SHUT UP!
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Written by: gouletcolonial, 28 Aug 2008 7:57 AM
From: United States, California, San Francisco, Treasure Island
Dread Dread wake up Tony c is counter punching ....He stayed up all night doing research and he is sure of his position ...you better have your data and stats in order or Tony wins by a decision and you will have to get drunk on the beach with those Condo owners who wind surf
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Written by: dreadlocks, 28 Aug 2008 9:22 AM
From: United States
you can call us knee jerkers, but we know what you are jerking, when you can find it. maybe the data and research should be established BEFORE the construction takes place. the theory is absolutely sound, therefore it should be ventilated. and no, we will not shut up and turn over the disseminating of information to self serving know nothings, who are only concerned with what they stand to gain, and not what others stand to lose.
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Written by: dreadlocks, 28 Aug 2008 9:23 AM
From: United States
goulet, this troll could spend forty days and forty nights on wikipedia and still come up behind the curve. foundation is everything.
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Written by: skysail, 28 Aug 2008 10:18 AM
From: Dominican Republic
http://eol.jsc.nasa.gov/debrief/Iss009/top3.htm

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Written by: anthonyC, 28 Aug 2008 11:11 AM
From: United States
Written by: skysail, 28 Aug 2008 10:18 AM
From: Dominican Republic
http://eol.jsc.nasa.gov/debrief/Iss009/top3.htm

Not bad. Now the DR should address that issue. I am a proponant of Storm Water runoff protection.

Now find something about the wind.
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Written by: skysail, 28 Aug 2008 12:23 PM
From: Dominican Republic
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m5PRC/is_2_113/ai_n25016518

http://mclean.ch/climate/Melbourne_UHI.htm

http://www.ayton.id.au/gary/Science/Climate/climate3.htm
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Written by: anthonyC, 28 Aug 2008 12:53 PM
From: United States
Written by: skysail, 28 Aug 2008 12:23 PM
From: Dominican Republic
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m5PRC/is_2_113/ai_n25016518

http://mclean.ch/climate/Melbourne_UHI.htm

http://www.ayton.id.au/gary/Science/Climate/climate3.htm"

Nope. None shows any evidence that the construction of a few buildings can have any noticible affect on the wind currents off of Cabarete.

Melbourne is a huge city hardly comparable to a tiny village like Cabarete.

Keep trying
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Written by: skysail, 28 Aug 2008 2:30 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Antony Dude,wrote ;
Nope. None shows any evidence that the construction of a few buildings can have any noticible affect on the wind currents off of Cabarete.

Can you present some evidence , that there won't be any affect . !!!!!
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Written by: anthonyC, 28 Aug 2008 2:59 PM
From: United States
"Can you present some evidence , that there won't be any affect . !!!!!"
That is an illogical arguement. Not being able to prove that something won't happen does not mean that it will.

The need to show proof is on those who make a claim that something WILL happen.
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Written by: JRRubirosa, 28 Aug 2008 8:48 PM
From: United States
skysail:

According to your name you must have lots of experience, so my respects towards you , At the end I just care about my country, good luck..............................
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Written by: CDNresident, 29 Aug 2008 9:48 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Well I have been in Cabarete for quite sometime and the most notable wind argument and long term effect on the bay was when construction was realize on the East point of Cabarete. This structure change the wind dynamic of the first portion of the beach diminishing wind and forcing windsurfers to move further down the beach creating a dead zone. Ask any long term resident that practice wind surfing before kite surfing was even a sport they will tell you that exact fact.
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Written by: gouletcolonial, 29 Aug 2008 9:49 AM
From: United States, California, San Francisco, Treasure Island
urban legend....old wives
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Written by: olas32, 1 Sep 2008 10:19 PM
From: Dominica
Leaving on the beach of Cabarete I can tell you that it is no an urban legend, it is a fact . Years ago the winf was blowing on the beach in front of CNS and hotel Taina, not any nore not as strong.
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Written by: dreadlocks, 1 Sep 2008 10:29 PM
From: United States
olas, with time you will come to understand GC. facts don't bother him sometimes.
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Written by: gouletcolonial, 1 Sep 2008 10:42 PM
From: United States, California, San Francisco, Treasure Island
Dont try to confuse me with facts
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