From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
something for sailors to navigate with and apart from the positive economic signals it sends which are good I will reserve judgment on this although they say it is en environmentally designed forward looking building ....press on regardless ...
From: United States
it's just lovely to see that we have to make sure that the well heeled have their needs properly addressed. i believe that some posters call it "living large"? yes, jaccuzi here, spa there, hot tub everywhere. when are we going to get the inspirational news of a well equipped school? the country with the highest unemployment rate in the region (young adults), the lowest reading and math scores in the western hemisphere, and hopelessness everywhere; at least we can bring the high rollers good tidings. we would not want them jumping off their 75 foot yachts onto a yola, would we?
Written by: josean, 24 Jan 2009 10:36 AM
From: United States, Dedicating 4 more years to fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia
dread,
Don't forget a 178,000 drops last year which the government admits to. To which you can probably safely add another 100,000 plus who are not counted as dropouts because they never went to school to begin with!
From: United States
it pains my soul, josean. more glass and concrete monstrosities, so the north americans and euros can have a place to play. now that is forward thinking. meanwhile, as you mentioned, maybe in excess of a quarter of a million school dropouts. so, maybe when we hear more windy phrases about "competitiveness strategies", we can search the diatribes for the word "education".
Written by: josean, 24 Jan 2009 10:52 AM
From: United States, Dedicating 4 more years to fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia
dread,
I know I do not need to convince you of this, but EDUCATION is ground ZERO for all development, but these Neanderthals fail to understand that. Then they teach the Dominican masses to clap like seals when projects like these are announced as if they will have any real impact on the true needs of the majority of them.
Now, if DT is a reflection of some of the brightest amongst us (myself excluded) and you find clapping seals here when these stupid projects are announced, what can we expect from the untutored folks!
From: United States, Somewhere in the World
dread
that is so true so much infrastructure and businesses going up and more northerners claiming more of the DR and LF sitting back on his king chair drapped with a big banner "NEEDY I WELCOME YOUR MONEY", and yet so much poverty, displaced people living in jakales, struggling to eat and so many kids not attending school, how in the world do they ever think they're going to get anyone out of being illiterate.
Written by: josean, 24 Jan 2009 11:02 AM
From: United States, Dedicating 4 more years to fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia
gp,
That is the point keep them ignorant so we can stay in power plundering and pillaging the people and the treasury!
From: United States
you see, gatita, it is a simple equation. first we build the buildings. then, we need people to buy the spaces that are available. but then, we are not preparing our youngsters for a life of productivity. therefore, they will not be able to afford these spaces, unless they go into the drugs business. so, who is going to buy them, and live large? the answer is simple; the northerners! bye bye to the DR; put up the FOR SALE signs.
From: United States, Somewhere in the World
uuhh but thats even with his croonies that work for him
how and why do they get the income they get to be under him and not have to do anything for it, they're all retarded and stupid and very ignorant, LF is their with them I don't care what anybody says I don't find him very........intelligent at all when he speaks all that come out of his mouth ever is lies and promises that he never intends to keep..........
oh but when he speaks about money prospects he's as lit up as a X-mas tree, and very glowing
Written by: josean, 24 Jan 2009 11:40 AM
From: United States, Dedicating 4 more years to fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia
GP,
"I don't find him very........intelligent at all when he speaks all that come out of his mouth ever is lies and promises that he never intends to keep..........'
An ever increasing majority of people are coming to that conclusion. I we had a true independent press in DR they would conduct a poll that would reflect that the majority of people feel the way you do.
Please check out Guillermo Moreno who may be a serious option for 2012!
From: United States, Port Washington, LI (New York)
So many depressing and negative opinions!!!!!
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
they are losers as well as whiners and complainers
From: United States
Rubirosa, whether they are negative or depressing, the question really becomes "are they correct"? nobody says that the reality has to be pleasant. but it is there. what do you want josean and myself to say? that all is great, every child is on his way to a great education, and a wonderful job? i can do that if you want me to; maybe that will make you happy. i do not know if it will affect the dropout rate, but it might improve your mood. as to gouletcolonial, he does not care whether or not dominicans get the opportunity to go to school. he sees their purpose in life to be caddies and water boys for bwana, anyway. massa can hire them more cheaply when they cannot read and write; just the way he wants the "natives" to be. so, you discuss the plight, he calls you a whiner. pathetic!
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
dread you know you are fibbing again shame shame
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
no matter what is happening you always do the victim routine with your little buddy good economy bad economy .....now you are cheering the bad on
Written by: josean, 24 Jan 2009 1:00 PM
From: United States, Dedicating 4 more years to fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia
From: United States
victim routine? really? so, i guess , to you, i should celebrate the fact that 178,000 kids did not finish school this year, for one reason or another. you see, goulet, you could not care less. you are a canadian; you have NOTHING in common with people from this part of the world. whether they succeed or fail means a hill of beans to you. they represent sandbar flunkies, natives and any other creatures you can think of. they do not look like you, and you do not have their bloodlines. i do not expect you to spare too much thought for their welfare and prospects. you have never really been a part of anything, having lived in every corner of the planet. but, some of us have our souls in this little corner of earth, and wish the best for ours. in this case, ours is not yours, as you will always be gringo here.
Written by: Escott, 24 Jan 2009 1:33 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Cabrera and Sosua a 2 days a month for payday
THis article is nothing but a press release to try and drum up business. Although it is a BS Article it has nothing to do with Education. You Dominicans only have your own Government to blame for this. Keeping the people stupid keeps them in the business of stealing yoru money which you ALL approve of btw or you wouldn't be taking the Christmas Bottles of Brugal and be selling your votes which many of you all do!
I hate Juan Dolio since it is a town without a town and just a bunch of rubbish. They are trying to sell smoke and mirrors and nothing else but don't blame them for your stupid children nor for your being so passive and letting your polititian get away with the most absurd crap I have ever seen. After all you have a Dominican Cheerleader in Massachusettes who rallies what the government does here:)
From: United States, Port Washington, LI (New York)
According to latest "travel weekly magazine" the Reader's choice award for number one, #1,
Numero 1 destination in the Caribbean "Quisqueya la bella" or Dominican Republic!!!!!!!!!!!!
From: United States, Fresh Water Paradise-NY Finger Lakes
Let's take NASA approach in DR education and throw kazillion $ into system sure tol become second axis of gov't. Then we'll wind up with system like in NYS, highest paid communist in land, where homeowners get taxed to death for worthless education consistently ranking near bottom . I pay $9k in school taxes, [usurious and communist bastards!] yet I send children to good christian private schools at additional cost of $10k/yr, just to insure they get relevant education.
More money won't help situation, especially when barrio children everyday see uneducated drug lords driving Lexus and Hummer SUV's. Believe me, I have a good hunch of which avenue they will choose. To convince thyself, consider educational success rate for ever-expanding Dominican population in US.....they have all kinds of opportunities which go wasted....a few stars, but many failures.
From: United States, Port Washington, LI (New York)
Just quick typing on the keyboard !!!!! Sensitive creature!!!!!!
PHD????
From: United States, Fresh Water Paradise-NY Finger Lakes
By the way, for those of you with clear warped opinions of the rich, when was last time a poor person created a job for anybody? Money brings opportunity, so let's not be so negative on this prospect.
If most prosperous and richest nation in world [USA] has abyssmal and underachieving educational system, with $billions poured yearly, how could clear 3rd world country like DR be expected to do much better? Especially with all inbred cronysm, dysfunctional and corrupt gov't and citizenry more interested in trappings of instant gratification [ ah, those Lexus jipetas!!] and excess?
From: United States
it is because of nitwits like Rubirosa why things are the way they are. what the heck does no 1 destination mean? i told you before; if you give some guys a cash register, they would be more impressed withe the sound of the bell than with the amount of the sales. that means you, Rubirosa.it does not matter what is really taking place, except for bragging rights. let me clue you in, before you injure yourself patting your back. footfall (the amount of people passing throuh immigration) does not explain anything. the real important factors are
1) amount spent by each visitor per day
2) amount of days spent by each visitor
3) cost to house each visitor. number 1 minus number 3 equals net revenue per guest. multiply that by number 3 gives overall net revenue
then, we look at amount of arrivals..divide that by population. let us say that the DR has 10 million people, for economy of arithmetic. it had 4 million visitors last year. that gives us 1 visitor for every 2.5 people
Written by: Trujillo, 24 Jan 2009 3:27 PM
From: Dominican Republic
You can invest all the money you want in building new schools, but the problem lies in it's quality. Improve the quality of education and you'll see results. Too many teachers are not prepared to teach. Also, these tourism projects are aimed at the "well heeled", because the "well heeled" have the money to spend and that is what make these projects profitable.
Written by: Trujillo, 24 Jan 2009 3:29 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Some people talk as if it is the state that is building the Arenas Tower.
From: United States
the average expenditure per day of each tourist is 100 dollars. again, simple arithmetic, the effective accrual from each visitor to each resident is 40 dollars.. take a country with 3 million people, and 3 million guests. that is 1 guest per resident. which gives an average effective accrual of 100 dollars per resident...so, a country could be receiving a far less number of guests, and be doing far better financially. get the picture, Rubirosa?
Written by: Trujillo, 24 Jan 2009 3:31 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Yeah, the "well heeled" spend more.
Written by: josean, 24 Jan 2009 3:33 PM
From: United States, Dedicating 4 more years to fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia
He needs Crayons to go with that dread!
From: United States, Port Washington, LI (New York)
Why you guys get so offensive, aggravated, pissed, envious, defensive, Would you be more
happy to see news like DR is falling apart, there is not perfect country in the planet and each
one has its ups and downs, but guess that this type of news make you angry because you
are "he, ah, psst, nay, well" you know!!!!
From: United States
trujillo, when someone uses the term "investing in education", it does not singularly imply plant and equipment. there is the concept of investing in personnel. we are not children here (although some act like that at times); we know that the building, by itself, achieves nothing. get some true professionas, and consultants, and pay them well. get somebody to design syllabuses which leave people educated..there is no reason why children who arrive in the usa from the orient can perform well in the school system, while ours are lost at sea, other than the fact that ours have no basic preparation. this is not the fault of the desk , or the walls. it is a personnel problem. when a 19 year old girl, with a high school diploma, thinks the earth is flat, that is a syllabus problem..when my friend, who is 39 years old, (and attended high school), heard about slavery in america for the first time last week, it is not because his schools had no projection TV!
From: United States, Fresh Water Paradise-NY Finger Lakes
Dreads,
"..there is no reason why children who arrive in the usa from the orient can perform well in the school system, while ours are lost at sea"
Their families place highest emphasis on value of education, sometimes scarificing one generation to move the next upwardly. Forgoing those jipetas and bachatas and numerous trips to DR to blow money on women and rum in favor of countless hours of reading, writing and arithmetic. That is how they succeed! Notice that orientals are never out whining or asking for more.....they just work hard and reap fruit of their labour. Period.
From: United States
Wah! But what about the schools and the poor!!?? Wah!!
That argument worked with the metro, not here..
Are these condos being built by the state? Mmm not quite. This is a private investment and therefore the invester has the right to invest his money in all the condos he wants...Should private investments be halted or shooed away because of education and poverty issues? No need to mix apples with oranges. Those of you crying for schools and what not, your're doing it in the wrong place...
Written by: Username, 24 Jan 2009 3:54 PM
From: Dominican Republic
I don't understand why some people see these new constructions as being bad for DR. If a foreign inverters wants to buy some land and build a project in hopes of making some money what does it have to do with the education? Isn't it the governments responsibility to educate its youth, and not responsibility of some real estate developer and some hedge fund who finances it? The masses are purposely being kept dumb by their government so they are easier to control and steal from. What do foreign investors have to do with that?
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Written by: Username, 24 Jan 2009 3:54 PM
From: Dominican Republic
It's like when i go to a restaurant and on top off the bill i pay 10% service fee which should go to the employees, but because the owner doesn't share it with his employees i am expected to tip again to make the wrong right. Why should i? i am just a Gringo who every Dominican is trying to rip off and double charge for everything, i really don't care how 2 Dominicans negotiate between each other, who is stealing from who and who is educating who?
Written by: josean, 24 Jan 2009 3:55 PM
From: United States, Dedicating 4 more years to fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia
"orientals"
You must be living in the 1950s, my reactionary amigo!
Written by: Trujillo, 24 Jan 2009 3:55 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Dread, I said that because that is exactly what the state has been going for decades. When they say they'll invest in education, it's all new schools, desks and now the reinstroduction of school breakfast, not even better salaries for the teachers. My dad went and lived in an all boy school in dajabón and he's seriously the smartest person I've personally met.
From: United States
really, joblitsky? and what about the infrastructure to go along with it? do you think that the builder does the ancilliary infrastructure improvements for these projects? when roads have to be put in to accomodate some of these projects, it falls upon government to do it. then there are the spinoffs, like road maintenance, etc. since money is not infinite, the concept of diversion comes into play. and where, dear joblitsky , do you think they always divert the money from? no guess? alright...try education, for starters.
From: United States
trujillo, they invest in physical plant and equipment , because of comision and propina, that is why! when they put in computers and internet, somebody gets a kickback. when they put furniture in, somebody reaps comision. the only thing that you cannot benefit from is salary, so, salary is the forgotten man!
Written by: Trujillo, 24 Jan 2009 4:01 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Username: "the masses are purposely being kept dumb by their government so they are easier to control and steal from"
From: United States
let me take you a step further, joblitsky. when a group of hoteliers decides to put up hotels in an area, which receives the designation "tourist destination", it usually is not long before we see an airport popping up there. this is not to serve the local population; it is strictly for tourism. and the government pays for it..and the access roads, etc; the hoteliers do not dig in their pockets to illuminate the area, build parking etc. now i know you will say that it is the DR that wants tourism, but we will have to differ there, since the core countries benefit far more from tourism than the periphery.
Written by: josean, 24 Jan 2009 4:07 PM
From: United States, Dedicating 4 more years to fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia
Written by: joblitsky,
Wah! But what about the schools and the poor!!?? Wah!!
That argument worked with the metro, not here..
Are these condos being built by the state? Mmm not quite. This is a private investment and therefore the invester has the right to invest his money in all the condos he wants...Should private investments be halted or shooed away because of education and poverty issues? No need to mix apples with oranges. Those of you crying for schools and what not, your're doing it in the wrong place...
No so fast my investor its not that clean and simple!
The government has to provide, firemen, police, roads and other infrastructure supports, with the peoples taxes. The public has to put up with more traffic and pollution. All these burdens on the society at large so others can make profit, of which the general population gets very little in return; not to mention the tax dollars that are diverted from other already seriously unmet needs!
From: United States
and glomarexplorer, thanks for your response. go to new york city and observe the koreans who own all the fruit and vegetable stands. they work like animals, and the entire family pitches in. their merchandise is as good as it gets, and they take pride in their work. but guess what? you never see them sporting Michael Jordans, or 200 dollar reeboks, or any of the other flavors du jour. they buy their clothes from Goodwill and Salvation Army, and they do not care what you and i think. the money they save gets their kids into good schools, and, by the time they are of age, they are all at Stuyvesant High and Bronx School of Science. our kids are riding by in the leased Lexus, dressed to the nines in Fubu and Pelle Pelle, trying their darnedest to read the street sign.
Written by: Username, 24 Jan 2009 4:13 PM
From: Dominican Republic
dreadlocks i respectively disagree with you. if that airport is built does it prohibit the locals to fly to and from that airport? it is there to serve everyone who can afford to fly.
From: United States
username, not because any and everybody can use the airport, once it is built, means that it serves the area. you do not just put up airports because you have land available. demographic and sociographic studies decide where airports go. if there was prior need for the airport, before the development, chances are that it would be there. let me give you an example; a guy decides to build a stadium in a rural area. the government agrees to build the road, and the parking lot for 10,000 cars. do you believe that because you can park your car there when there is no game, or you can ride your bicycle on the road too, makes it a worthwhile venture?
Written by: josean, 24 Jan 2009 4:21 PM
From: United States, Dedicating 4 more years to fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia
User,
Surely the airports are public but what motivated the need to build it? The need of the nationals to fly out or the need of the resorts to fly tourist in to an all inclusive keep all the money in house enviorment.
Written by: Username, 24 Jan 2009 4:29 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Let's go to the extremes and ask a question; would DR be better off if there are ZERO All Inclusives and ZERO tourists flying in, or if there are All Inclusives every 5 kms and they are all full all the time?
From: United States
exactly, josean. just how many locals use some of these airports designed around tourist destinations, anyway? the odd few? some are near to population centers that do not support an airport. yes, user, we cannot just build an airport everywhere. we do not really need one in Munoz. but, if some guys decided to build a few mega structures there, the next thing would be the jetways.
Written by: Username, 24 Jan 2009 4:35 PM
From: Dominican Republic
dreadlocks, airports get built where there is need for them, then the GOV charges exit tax, landing fees, taxes and so on, either directly or from the airport operator, in any case that airport being there produces income for the GOV (if busy) and not expenses.
From: United States
why does it have to be resolved in terms of absolutes and extremes? i hate to think what would happen if there was an all inclusive every 5 kilometers. it probably would be worse than if there were none at all. one day, when i have a lot of spare time, i am going to do a study to figure whether it would be better to focus on agriculture and abandon tourism as a development strategy, or continue along the same road.
Written by: Username, 24 Jan 2009 4:37 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Also by that logic the GOV should never pave the roads to campos since poor people living there can't afford cars to drive, so why pave the roads?
Written by: Username, 24 Jan 2009 4:40 PM
From: Dominican Republic
i would think if there was an AI every 5 km and there were all full those same AIs would employ a lot of locals who would in turn have money to send their kids to school so the next generation can maybe move up from maids and gardeners to management positions.
From: United States
and, username, if the tourism product goes into decline, then you can use the runways for an autodrome. because, in some areas where airtports are built, they are specifically contrived for tourist movement, not movement of local residents. no tourists, no aircraft. no airport. 10 guys needing to go to new york from the hinterland will not support the operation.
Written by: josean, 24 Jan 2009 4:43 PM
From: United States, Dedicating 4 more years to fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia
Written by: Username, 24 Jan 2009 4:29 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Let's go to the extremes and ask a question; would DR be better off if there are ZERO All Inclusives and ZERO tourists flying in, or if there are All Inclusives every 5 kms and they are all full all the time?
DR would be better if it had a rational diversified economic development model, rather than "all the eggs in one baske model," and if the bottom of the basket falls they have Empty All inclusive hotels every 5 KMS!
Written by: Username, 24 Jan 2009 4:45 PM
From: Dominican Republic
drear, look at the airports around AI resorts, Punta Cana, Puerto Plata, SDQ, La Romana, all busy and employing the locals. How is that bad for the country?
Written by: Username, 24 Jan 2009 4:48 PM
From: Dominican Republic
but that is my point exact; whose fault is it the GOV is putting all the eggs in one basket? The tourist's who comes here to vacation or the GOV's? which brings us back to the RE project in Juan Dolio; what do the people building it have to do with the bad education the GOV is providing for its citizens?
From: United States
username, do you read what you are writing? you say that with all inclusives, people would be able to send their kids to school;on what? you sound like those confused people who are cheering for the call centers which are springing up like mushrooms. the politicians tell us that they will provide for "economic development". really? when they pay 10% of what they pay in the USA? development is based on symmetry. if a college grad in the USA earns 18 dollars per hour doing a task, and a dominican earns 1.25 per hour for the same task , we can never NEVER develop!! because we still buy from the same world market, that is why! so, a car which costs 1000 dollars in the USA costs the same here, plus the additional taxes and duties. which means that all things being equal, it takes 10 times more human and material effort to consume the same article here, as it does there.
Written by: Username, 24 Jan 2009 4:52 PM
From: Dominican Republic
so what do you propose is the solution? the GOV votes for a 6 Dollars an hour minimum wage? would that make it easier for the locals to buy cars, or would all the companies pack up and leave the DR the next day?
From: United States
username, go back and read what josean wrote about diverting funds to certain projects, at the expense of others.
Written by: Username, 24 Jan 2009 5:02 PM
From: Dominican Republic
"The government has to provide, firemen, police, roads and other infrastructure supports, with the peoples taxes. The public has to put up with more traffic and pollution. All these burdens on the society at large so others can make profit, of which the general population gets very little in return; not to mention the tax dollars that are diverted from other already seriously unmet needs!"
So by that logic nothing should be built here again, or even better let's destroy all the roads we have so there will be zero pollution, zero need for traffic cops and for firemen.
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From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
" i concur whole heartedly with your assessment of the ex colonial caribbean islands and Latin America. the british did leave behind a set of workable institutions, legal systems, and functional infrastructure. you might have missed my prior postings on the subject, but i am never loath to compare and contrast the spanish and english colonies; they are cheese and chalk." ......................Dready look what I came across yes one of your famous quotes.....I will have to give you a new name will it be "cheesy "or " chalky "
Written by: josean, 24 Jan 2009 5:03 PM
From: United States, Dedicating 4 more years to fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia
user,
You see it works like this; you have an economic development plan where the government invest in the future of its citizens, health, education. housing. It diversifies the economic opportunities to make it attractive for local and foreign investments. This will create good paying jobs because you now you have a better educated and healthy work force ready and available to investors. Eventually there will be a greater demand for labor and the wages of all will rise.
Check out Singapore as an example and they have virtually no land or beautiful beaches!
Written by: Username, 24 Jan 2009 5:03 PM
From: Dominican Republic
...
i think what you fail to understand is that those people who the GOV paves the roads for and builds the airports for SPEND MONEY here, pay the 16% sales tax, pay the priority taxes, spend their money in the local shops and restaurants, buy gas from the local gas stations, fix their cars at the local car shops and so on. they, or we since i am one of them, we spend our money here, which goes to the local economy, now how that money is distributed and what the GOV does with the tax ravenues is frankly Dominican's problem and not mine.
Written by: Username, 24 Jan 2009 5:10 PM
From: Dominican Republic
would i rather the GOV spends it on education so when i go out i am surrounded buy educated professionals and not bums and chopos, that there is less crime and so on, i would, but again, i am just a guest here, and your GOV wants me here to fill their tax bags, and that's ok, now it's up to you to change the GOV wasteful ways, and not up to me.
Written by: Username, 24 Jan 2009 5:10 PM
From: Dominican Republic
double post.
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
where's cheesy or is it chalky ?
From: United States, Fresh Water Paradise-NY Finger Lakes
Listening to all this diatribe on this investment makes it difficult to understand opposition to Metro [there goes 100-day moratorium on Metro!]. It seems its purpose would satisfy all of the well-intentioned liberal comments related: 1) conceived to improve life of Dominicans, not foreigners; 2) reduce pollution/green house effects; 3) create jobs for Dominicans; 4) improve transportation, infrastructure for Dominicans; 4) Etc.
I have my own reason for opposing it, but why are so many of you so opposed to it? My reason: it will be a monumental drag on the budget, same as in many other world metropolises. Yours, I do not understand, particularly because your logic as discriminant for worth of investment pretty much parallel what the Metro is purported to offer.
From: United States, Fresh Water Paradise-NY Finger Lakes
Josean & Dread,
I agree with you on additional cost of infrastructure required by these projects. But, what the heck, at least they have potential for returning cost to treasury via tax revenues and employment opportunities. Then, perhaps, community could take matters into its own hand, and begin to pay for its own cost of education-same as in most Western World countries, and start relying so much on government handouts.
Written by: josean, 24 Jan 2009 5:39 PM
From: United States, Dedicating 4 more years to fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia
user,
This not complicate we have a small but very powerful group for whom this system has always worked, essentially since 1492. On occasions when the feel their power may be threatened they either provide repression (1930 -1961) or concessions( 1965 - until now) depending how organized the resistance and those making demands are.
They believe if we do things the way we have always done them we will get the results we have always gotten, that is, we get even more wealthy and the populace even more destitute.
Although life is evolutionary and it moves slowly, on occasions it takes revolutionary leaps like 1776 US revolution 1789 the French rev. 1965 Dominican Rev. And if the government keeps subjugating people into misery and deprivation with abuse of power and out right thievery and corruption, who knows we may take another revolutionary leap.
Continued:
Written by: josean, 24 Jan 2009 5:40 PM
From: United States, Dedicating 4 more years to fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia
I think Lie-onel is beginning to realizes this and that's why he is desperately trying to meet with the "ACTIVE CULTURES," as I like to call them, before things get further out of hand!
From: United States
glomar, do you consider the cost of education to be a "government handout"? in which western world countries do the communities pay for education? and, if you can name them to me, what is the median income of said citizenry?
Written by: josean, 24 Jan 2009 5:50 PM
From: United States, Dedicating 4 more years to fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia
ge,
I am not against Metros per sea, I am against lack of planing based on priorities for long term sustained growth, which truly addresses the quality of life for all the people not just the few that live around the area of the Metro stops!
No society has or ever will develop or move forward with out offering the maximum it can afford to its populace in EDUCATION. There is no way around it!
From: United States, Fresh Water Paradise-NY Finger Lakes
Dreads,
Big difference. Here in US [upstate NY,...far, far from Gotham City], about 30% of my income gets confiscated in income taxes. Additionally and separately , I contribute another $9,000.00/yr to the local school district and $3,500.00 to local gov't operations. While some small amount [think <20%] is returned from state gov't from confiscated taxes and lottery revenues, the local community is largely responsible for its own education which, by the way, is largely superior to that available in the big cities. This is total opposite of DR, where few pay taxes, and gov't is expected to provide all services, thereby creating a symbiotic and corrupt and socialistic cycle of dependency.
We really get the gov't we deserve.
Hope this helps.
Written by: josean, 24 Jan 2009 6:23 PM
From: United States, Dedicating 4 more years to fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia
ge,
What is the air quality we here you live?
What is the response time of the police, fire department, ambulance?
Is your garbage pickup on a regular schedule?
Are the roads full of potholes?
Did you support the war in Afghanistan and Iraq?
Do the kids in public school have to buy their text books?
Do they have running water, that's drinkable, do the have toilets?
When you went to motor vehicles how many bribes did you have to give to get you car, registered, inspected or to renew your license?
Nobody likes to pay takes, and they like it even less when you don't get anything at all for them!
Written by: Eriliza, 24 Jan 2009 6:24 PM
From: United States, Boston, MA
Why is almost everyone here blaming the government? This tower is built by the private sector. When this project is done, the following people should not be granted access to the tower:
dreadlocks
josean
escott
gatitapequena
One this project is done, boy it will look so beautiful indeed! :)
Written by: josean, 24 Jan 2009 6:26 PM
From: United States, Dedicating 4 more years to fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia
I don't know about the others but I am honored to be among that group!
Written by: Eriliza, 24 Jan 2009 6:50 PM
From: United States, Boston, MA
Well, I can imagine you are josean, along with your third-world ideologies in building schools for kids who end up not going and not building infrastructure that can boost up our economy!
Written by: synapse, 24 Jan 2009 6:59 PM
From: United States
You should all stick to a relevant topic.......try the fact that these developers are all blind leading even more blind speculators into the abyss of bankruptcy. That is what is relevant here in this Arenas project. They and all other projects are on the verge of collapse because they are not selling because speculators are beginning to see the writing on the wall and understanding that it is all hyped BS that they are really pushing. If you want to see what the DR is headed for just come to Florida where they are 2 - 3 years ahead in BSing the market. The difference is that in the DR you don't have an ethical Realtor profession that is liable for all the BSing. In the DR you have to wear hip high boots to wade through the BS about pre construction appreciation, rental returns and worthless guarantee's. They say it to you with a straight face that is truly unbelievable that makes you think they really believe their own BS. Wake up DR it hit the fan for you in 2007, enough!
From: United States, Fresh Water Paradise-NY Finger Lakes
Josean,
"What is the air quality we here you live?" Very good; no pollution issues. We have mandatory vehicle emission inspections.
"What is the response time of the police, fire department, ambulance?" <<15 min.
"Is your garbage pickup on a regular schedule?" Every Thursday.
"Are the roads full of potholes?" some in winter time, but generally fixed in summer.
"Did you support the war in Afghanistan and Iraq?" I supported Afghanistan.
"Do the kids in public school have to buy their text books?" No.
"Do they have running water, that's drinkable, do the have toilets?" Yes.
"When you went to motor vehicles how many bribes did you have to give to get you car, registered, inspected or to renew your license?" No.
"Nobody likes to pay takes, and they like it even less when you don't get anything at all for them! Don't forget that I pay separately for all of those services you cite." Big difference you miss is that here, corruption isn't so well-manifested
Written by: josean, 24 Jan 2009 7:45 PM
From: United States, Dedicating 4 more years to fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia
ge,
I was not being funny or disrespectful, the questions were rhetorical.
My point is you pay what appears to be a lot of taxes, maybe w you make a lot of money, you have poor accountant or they are just your fair share. I don't know nor its any ones business, certainly not mine.
The point is you get what you pay for and it seems to me you have a very good quality of life even it is some what taxing, pardon the pun!
Written by: antonio1, 24 Jan 2009 9:01 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Av Santa Rosa, La Romana
Individuals needs to start doing a better job of representing the views and interests of one country. In Writing.
From: United States
well, glomarexplorer, if you are paying 9000 dollars to the local school district, after the 30% income tax, you either are in a very high tax bracket, or you get a humongous return. i lived in nassau county, and the school district was rated one of the best in the USA, and i paid nothing near that. as to Eriliza; i promise i will not go into that building, for fear i might run into people like you. you like the architectural bling bling; it impresses you. well, i am not in your boat. i prefer the ideas of governments like singapore, that focus on education; with little or no natural resources, but just education, and attention to rational development, they have the 5th highest per capita GDP (PPP) in the world. they did not build an all inclusive on every corner to do it. as to SYNAPSE; you are the man!!
From: United States
synapse, do you know how many guys spent fortunes buying land and building mansions here, which they were told were worth "close to a million", who cannot give them away today? guys laugh when they ask 300 grand! too many readers out there have never heard of the real estate bubble; when it bursts, it takes a lot of the economy down with it. but they just love to look with adoration at these structures; it makes them feel as though we "have arrived". gee, that looks like something i saw in Seattle, in the movies!! we must be world leadership material; that building has underground parking, just like manhattan. my, oh my; we are all grown up!!!
From: United States
"the country with the highest unemployment rate in the region (young adults), the lowest reading and math scores in the western hemisphere, and hopelessness everywhere" If we educate our folks, then we will not have enough help to to do all of the manual labor at those luxury condo tower complexes. We need them to clean toilets, do gardening, cook, clean, wash and press clothes, do windows, paint, drive, baby sit and basically all menial work which requires little or no schooling, intellectual ability and advance training. That is why we have to keep our people dum and ignorant, otherwise we are going to have a shortage of help in the services or unskilled labor industries. Oh, my GOD, I just forgot....that's what the Haitians are for!! Now we are really up shits creek!! Not only will we have dum, uneducated, unskilled and hopeless Dominicans, but now we will also have unemployed, dum, uneducated, unskilled and hopeless Dominicans who can't find work or compete with the Haitians
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
dread you and Igor[bonehead] still trying to drive the developers and outsiders into the sea....where will it end
Written by: EVDR87, 24 Jan 2009 9:58 PM
From: United States
TBH I fail to see why I project that is being done by the private sector gets people talking about how the DR's government is so flawed and how it doesn't contribute anything to its people and what not. I really don't...
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
EVDR87 because these guys[dreadlox and bonehead] are a couple of socialist whiners that want the government to do everything for them like Fidel does ....
From: United States
the idiot speaks his addled mind before going to bed. there are some duties all governments traditionally do for its people, and to educate them is one on this list. not because the canadian government failed to educate you means that all governments should give up on its youth.
From: United States, Somewhere in the World
Eriliza for your information I'm not against private investors coming in to build and make money or whatever they want to do here, they come here use people, treat them bad.....like animals, these people labor hard so when they're not needed anymore their discarded like trash and most of them don't get paid.......so tell me miss hotshot how is this a good thing that it creates jobs.
yes after the building has gone up they employ personel, young, ignorant and will do anything to please the visitors, anything!!!!!!!
And yes this has nothing to do with education, however when the government steps in to spent those hard earned tax dollars to help the private investors make it here instead of for our young on their education.......ya thats where the horns start to grow........but i guess untill you have your own children you'll understand this fight.
Written by: josean, 25 Jan 2009 1:28 AM
From: United States, Dedicating 4 more years to fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia
"And yes this has nothing to do with education, however when the government steps in to spent those hard earned tax dollars to help the private investors make it here instead of for our young on their education.......ya thats where the horns start to grow........but i guess untill you have your own children you'll understand this fight."
I love you Kitty!
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
well I will say it again the tower will be something for sailors to navigate with and apart from the positive economic signals it sends which are GOOD I will reserve judgment on this although they say it is en environmentally designed forward looking building ....press on regardless .of the whining and complaining of the socialist few ..{dread and little buddy"the whiner" ] if it gets built it will show there are still people around with money to throw at new ideas and dreams of which this is one...good luck to the investors....and they should pay no attention to the barking dogs bonehead and dreadlox
From: United States
great commentary, gatita. spoken like someone who has a firm grasp of reality. as to the cretin goulet, spoken like the indefatigable idiot you are.
Written by: jonbonz, 25 Jan 2009 9:00 AM
From: Dominican Republic, santo domingo
I keep seeing people critisize the government on their attitude on education. I am one of them. But lets us also remember the poll that shows something close to 70% of the adults thought that a kid making money on the street for the family was better than being in school.
So the desired education system is in full swing cradle to grave.
From: United States
excellent observation, jonbonz. the successive governments have ingrained it into the heads of the common man that education is a waste of time and effort. the disdain for education is not genetic; it is the product of socialisation. Oprah Winfrey built her school in a poor African country, because, when she interviewed the girls, they all told her that their dream in life was to own a school uniform. so, jonbonz, cradle to grave is a marvellous phrase for this condition.
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
yeah dready we heard how Oprahs school headmistress was a real asset
Written by: josean, 25 Jan 2009 9:21 AM
From: United States, Dedicating 4 more years to fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia
"But lets us also remember the poll that show something close to 70% of the adults thought that a kid making money on the street for the family was better than being in school."
jonbonz,
That result is reflective of the vicious cycle that needs to be broken. Those adults were once children who experienced governmental abandonment on the issue of education as well. So they have never internalized the value of education.
As long as the government neglects its most sacred responsibility; to provide the best universal access to the highest quality education for all its citizens, a hundred years from now the poll results will be the same!
Written by: abc200, 25 Jan 2009 9:45 AM
From: United Kingdom, Dominican Republic
Yes, maybe education is just something that enables people to build a better bomb somewhere to blow people up or train doctors in complex surgery that enables the life of the elite by a few months. Perhaps to manipulate a worthless stock so it gains value. Maybe young people are right in a way to reject education in favour of more afrocentric Rastifarian ideals.
Maybe builing a bar stool is the ultimate achievement of eductation:
http://www.extremehowto.com/xh/article.asp?article_id=60700Jerk chicken instead of ribsteak anyone?
S.
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
"cheese and chalk" aka dreadlox certainly did...reject an education that is....and no Helie Selassie is not returning
Written by: abc200, 25 Jan 2009 9:59 AM
From: United Kingdom, Dominican Republic
Written by: abc200, 25 Jan 2009 10:04 AM
From: United Kingdom, Dominican Republic
But seriously this tower is great! Blocks like this do not make for urban sprawl, people organise their work in Eurpope so they have a 4 month 'free period' each year , come and enjoy the setting sun of the capitalist empires!
S.
Written by: zooma, 25 Jan 2009 10:18 AM
From: United States
This is nothing but a pipe dream and a bad investment in these poor economic times. Where is the money going to come from to construct this monster? Who is going to buy? It will end up like the Miami condos, empty units with the owners, developers, and lending institutions bankrupt.
Written by: jonbonz, 25 Jan 2009 10:19 AM
From: Dominican Republic, santo domingo
still the issue with education will never be successful until it is a priority of parents as well. If the average parent does not want the children in school rather than hustling on the street then no amount of money or effort by the government will make a differentce.
Written by: jonbonz, 25 Jan 2009 10:22 AM
From: Dominican Republic, santo domingo
and one more question. how much money has been set aside for its own private power plant?
Written by: josean, 25 Jan 2009 10:23 AM
From: United States, Dedicating 4 more years to fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia
Here is an example of the consequences of funds being diverted for non-priorities and the neglect of just basic maintenance!
Source DR1
SD water wasters
According to the Santo Domingo Aqueduct and Sewage Corporation (CAASD) residents of Santo Domingo waste between 300 and 500 liters per day, which is almost double the world average. According to Ramon Rivas the study includes the area of "Greater Santo Domingo" where water consumption is above the world average. He added that if it continues, this habit could lead to a water crisis for the city in the future. Rivas said that excessive use by citizens can be blamed, but an outdated water network also creates water issues. He said that 15% to 20% of the water administered by the CAASD is wasted because of the problems in the water networks.
Written by: abc200, 25 Jan 2009 10:27 AM
From: United Kingdom, Dominican Republic
Policemen in London can organise their shifts so they get two 2 month periods free every year.
Europe taxi drivers come out here for 4 moths at a time. Typcal reirement age in France is 55. With increasing leisure time, low tax regime here in DR these units will sell quickly at about one quarter of Miami prices. One of the attractions is low charges, another that prices here of meals etc. are 1/2 or 1/3 of Miami or St. Tropez. Sensible investors should get in now while there is some nagative sentiment out there.
S.
Written by: josean, 25 Jan 2009 10:30 AM
From: United States, Dedicating 4 more years to fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia
Written by: jonbonz, 25 Jan 2009 10:19 AM
From: Dominican Republic
still the issue with education will never be successful until it is a priority of parents as well. If the average parent does not want the children in school rather than hustling on the street then no amount of money or effort by the government will make a differentce.
I do not disagree with you on the need for parents to prioritize education but people are led by example and these parents were children that most like never saw that example. They are victims of governmental child neglect who are now adults with their own children who are neglecting them without even realizing it!
From: United States
more idiotic remarks from gc, regarding Oprah's school. the headmistress had her difficulties, so the idea must have been bad. hey, numbnut,; some employees of UASD just stole a few million pesos worth of equipment from the facility in the capital. maybe that makes universities a bad idea, in your demented view of things. you are the quintessential exponent of the non sequitur
Written by: josean, 25 Jan 2009 10:41 AM
From: United States, Dedicating 4 more years to fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia
dread,
Cousin Itt, is just MAD (in more ways than one) because Oprah's candidate won and his is smelling the toe cheese like him!
From: United States
josean, the guy is a mystery that only the most accomplished of scientists can unravel. i concede that i have never encountered such dementia in my many years on the planet
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
Dread seriously and I do mean seriously ....Where can you find good jerk food on this island ...I am growing peckish looking at my bottles of Matouks jerk sauce and my Busha Brownes jerk marinade and my walkerswood jonkanoo sauce....Do I have to go all the way to the quaint burgh of Puerto Plata to find the solution ....Please Advise
Written by: josean, 25 Jan 2009 12:32 PM
From: United States, Dedicating 4 more years to fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia
You should not be eating anything even remotely related to the word JERK!
From: United States
sadly, GC, there is none to be found. but, if you have those sauces available, hold on to them. when next i visit the capital, i will put them to good use, and you will like the results. the word on the street is that dominicans cannot tolerate hot, spicy food. i disproved that to a degree on wednesday past, by rustling up a batch of jerk ckicken. the dominicans in attendance were seen to be licking the plates., so, just point me to a charcoal grill when i get there.
From: United States
The funny thing about all this is that Josean keeps whining and talking about education, and The Dreaded Metro well maybe you should pull your head out of Dread's behind and stop writing your ONE Liners and your "CUTTING and PASTING" and actually write something that comes from your blessed little head. Why do you need to transpire thru Dread? And why do you all need to insult one another to make a point? How does that make you smarter? Practice what you preach and smarten up!
Dread, you actually are a very smart and insightful writer! Don't associate yourself with people that are not at your intellectual level, it makes you look bad and takes away from your credibility....
Written by: Username, 25 Jan 2009 1:23 PM
From: Dominican Republic
ABC200: "in DR these units will sell quickly at about one quarter of Miami prices."
that will have to be some serious price drop, because right now RE in DR is twice as expensive as Miami, and the only pro in DR's favor are low maintenance fees and low property taxes, everything else is in Miami favor.
"another that prices here of meals etc. are 1/2 or 1/3 of Miami"
not sure about that one. here an evening out for 2 people will run you at least 50$, recently i was in LA at the Sunset Strip and 2 steaks and a few rounds or beer were about 70-80$, and that was the Sunset Strip, Outback or TGI will run you under 50$.
Written by: josean, 25 Jan 2009 1:28 PM
From: United States, Dedicating 4 more years to fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia
"DominicanLady," hummmm!!!!!!!
It appears Baron Münchhausen has gone Sybil on us!
From: United States
Written by: josean, 25 Jan 2009 1:28 PM
From: United States
"DominicanLady," hummmm!!!!!!!
It appears Baron Münchhausen has gone Sybil on us!
Need I say more?
Written by: josean, 25 Jan 2009 1:47 PM
From: United States, Dedicating 4 more years to fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia
Did you say anything?
Written by: Eriliza, 25 Jan 2009 2:00 PM
From: United States, Boston, MA
gatitapequena,
I believe that you are indeed so dumb enough to understand that infrastructure creates employment for those who needed jobs and it will increase the DR capita.
Construction labor? Hmm...let me see. Don't you think that these workers are there working "treated like trash" like you said are there by their will? I think so.
In 20 years from now, I want my children to enjoy the great and prosperous infrastructure and also a more prosperous DR if more construction and infrastructural economic boom continues to take place.
Written by: abc200, 25 Jan 2009 3:08 PM
From: United Kingdom, Dominican Republic
From: United States, Somewhere in the World
eriliza fortunately for you i am not dumb........but one does think of others the way they see themselves, if that makes you feel any better and if your going to insult...then don't post because they're not welcomed here or anywhere else
do you not see around you the conditions people are living in, how they're struggling, but i guess if you think infastructure is going to better lives......good thinking on your part
i have nothing more to say on this subject...........at least not to you!!!!!!!
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
Just returned from a nice lunch for four at Vesuvio two beers no wine and coca cola ..no Postre or cafe .very nice 131.bucks US not very nice ....four people could have got roaring drunk with a good meal at Vizcaya for that price
From: United States, Somewhere in the World
so why did you go and spend that much mula if it was not necessary?
Written by: abc200, 25 Jan 2009 5:20 PM
From: United Kingdom, Dominican Republic
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
wanker youre all wet about restaurant prices ...and just about everything else go back to Blackpool and timeshare for the miners
Written by: abc200, 25 Jan 2009 5:39 PM
From: United Kingdom, Dominican Republic
Go Boga Boga!
S.
Written by: josean, 25 Jan 2009 5:54 PM
From: United States, Dedicating 4 more years to fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia
"In 20 years from now, I want my children to enjoy the great and prosperous infrastructure and also a more prosperous DR if more construction and infrastructural economic boom continues to take place."
While the great majority of Dominican children won't even be able to read the streets signs on the infrasture their parents built at exploited wages!
Written by: abc200, 25 Jan 2009 5:57 PM
From: United Kingdom, Dominican Republic
GC Your oil well gushes and they see your coming spurting black gold!
Good - meanwhile .......
S.
Written by: abc200, 25 Jan 2009 5:58 PM
From: United Kingdom, Dominican Republic
It is socialist to be able to read - capitalist to know the cards at a casino to earn money...
Education is a functional necessity under capitalism ............ not required for sugar cane cutters, shoeshine boys. This is why GC likes capitalism so much!
S.
Written by: abc200, 25 Jan 2009 5:59 PM
From: United Kingdom, Dominican Republic
GC sounds as if you are going downmarket!
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
Boga Boga was the alternate choice a great Spanish restaurant prices about 20 to 25 % below Vesuvio and more fun ...Boga Boga means row row in Galician and their National musical instrument is bagpipes...They have a breast of veal oven roasted for two that is world class at Boga Boga
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
wanker necessity is the mother of invention
From: United States, Fresh Water Paradise-NY Finger Lakes
No disagreement on educational needs. However, education without economic opportunity means nothing and generates great dissatisfaction. One would only need to consider situation in Cuba to understand this. Situation in China [please see extensive article in Sunday, 25Jan09 NYT] is pretty precarious as they are graduating more professionals than there exist opportunities for, with many Chinese resorting to joining the army in desperation. Gov't very concerned about protests and revolt.
There needs to be a good balance between education and needs. University is not for everyone and some people should pursue vocational training instead. I, nevertheless, value education highly and am a perpetual student.
PR is another country with a great deal of highly educated individuals who can not find jobs. This is creating a situation where dreams go unfulfilled and uprisings are simply a matter of time.
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
yes uprisings good idea lets go find the wanker and string him up
From: United States, Fresh Water Paradise-NY Finger Lakes
DR needs to keep population growth in check so it does not become the "Bangladesh" of the Americas. Population density may soon reach level where it will be unable to sustain itself with food production, thereby clearly relegating itself to a welfare state. I am proposing self-control and good family planning, not wanton killing of the unborn, for God's sake! There are just too many poor families with >>5 children!! Perhaps this is an area of paramount educational importance.
Written by: josean, 25 Jan 2009 6:47 PM
From: United States, Dedicating 4 more years to fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia
ge,
You are right it always boils down to EDUCATION!
Written by: Eriliza, 25 Jan 2009 6:53 PM
From: United States, Boston, MA
Totally agree with you, glomarexplorer. Education without economical growth will not go anywhere, which is why we need to develop our infrastructure.
and to gatitapequena,
You speak without knowledge my dear. Yes I do know the people that are struggling to get through in their lives. And same for the USA. There are people who struggle everywhere in this world, either in first- or third-world countries. Creating more malls and stores and towers and buildings will create more jobs for those who are struggling because of unemployment.
Written by: abc200, 25 Jan 2009 6:56 PM
From: United Kingdom, Dominican Republic
US needs to trash their school system some more then so none of the electorate can think that Obama is the first president not to be sworn in on the bible........ or be in any way literate regarding the issues of the day.
In fact swarms of little GC's ....... producing words like turds from the famous duck billed platypus true relics from a former age.
S.
From: United States, Somewhere in the World
eriliza i have more knowledge than you could ever dream of so stop your insults their not needed for your information i didn't say that progression of building infastructure and more business would not help create more jobs because we all know it does i'm talking about the DR it's a given fact that the poor can't get jobs because if they don't have money to get the requirements they need to obtain a job they can't work and the chain continues.
In the DR you need money to make money, how insane is that.....i really don't see no progression this way.
Written by: Eriliza, 25 Jan 2009 9:37 PM
From: United States, Boston, MA
what requirements are needed to obtain a job? education, of course. post-secondary education, definitely. are there college students in the DR? you can say yes. are there any other requirements you may want to mention, gatita?
also, what is the point of having a good education if there are no jobs available? wouldn't that screw up the economy?
Written by: abc200, 25 Jan 2009 10:33 PM
From: United Kingdom, Dominican Republic
State has to employ directly and also support employment - for example by grants to entepreneurs for specific projects to create jobs. These jobs should align with a national plan as in China - by the way the most sucessfull country in poverty reduction. China's plan involves increased spend on the countryside:
http://english.gov.cn/official/2008-03/20/content_925232.htmThe old maxim is true 'to fail to plan is to plan to fail'.
From: United States, Somewhere in the World
eriliza tell me, i'm sure many a jobs you have had, right
then tell me........in order for you to get a job anywhere in the DR you need to go get a copy of your cedula, no
you need a police report, que no
you need a vehicle or a way of transportation, si
then tell me............how do the ones in poverty or that are poor get out of this cycle in order to get a job?
let me see..........i'm a calling my doggie.....his name is snoopy a hound dog and he's picking up the biggest clue.........................
YOU NEED MONEY, MONEY, MONEY
if your poor and don't have it......................how are you going to ever get a job?
hit me up i do want to know!!!!!!!!!!
From: United States
gatita- I agree, In the DR to get the best and most remunerating and above all stable employment you must have a car, appearance, very light skin almost white if possible, clothing, well spoken, well conected with education as a requirement but at the bottom of the list, and of course let us not forget family surname, will be seriously taken into consideration. To acheive and to have all of of those things mentioned, it is most likely that the person also has the money to follow along together with all of these traits.
Written by: Eriliza, 26 Jan 2009 9:23 AM
From: United States, Boston, MA
It all depends on what type of job you are into. But remember DR is a mixed country, so how the heck are people going to be racist?
Here in the USA is the same, but it is masked a little better.
and gatita, just curious to know,how old are you?
Written by: antonioj, 26 Jan 2009 11:08 AM
From: Canada, home safe
"Written by: Eriliza, 26 Jan 2009 9:23 AM
From: United States, Boston, MA
It all depends on what type of job you are into. But remember DR is a mixed country, so how the heck are people going to be racist?
Here in the USA is the same, but it is masked a little better.
and gatita, just curious to know,how old are you?
"
Eriliza, you are mistaken if you are Domininca born you should do a little more research, countries like south africa, usa, cuba with substantial percentage of mixed populations are not exempted from racism, in other words racism or prejudice exist in any country regardless.
From: United States, Somewhere in the World
eriliza are you confused or what are you taking about this racists thing, don't understand, were talking about infrastructure and jobs
and you don't need to know what my age is, i haven't asked what your age is and i don't want to know it......plus its not even a factor in here or any other discusions
and also its not masked the same here in the US because the employer checks you out to see if your a criminal by providing his own background search and making sure your legal, ofcourse you provide your id and ss# so they can make a copy and none of this costs you a penny in the US
antonioj.............thank you, you hit the nail right on its head!!!!!!
Written by: antonioj, 26 Jan 2009 10:11 PM
From: Canada, home safe
eriliza, could be having a bad day, as for personal questions there is a feature available on DT where you can send an email directly to the poster . -- you stand a better chance of getting your direct questions answered back that way.
From: United States, Somewhere in the World
no its okay antonioj even if she would of solicited that kind of information in a more private way, its really not her business, she's just a child i'll forgive her for even asking she dosen't know better, but she'll learn
Written by: antonioj, 26 Jan 2009 11:06 PM
From: Canada, home safe
"Written by: gatitapequena, 26 Jan 2009 10:28 PM
From: United States, Somewhere in the World
no its okay antonioj even if she would of solicited that kind of information in a more private way, its really not her business, she's just a child i'll forgive her for even asking she dosen't know better, but she'll learn
"
rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr no doubt I concurr, see children never paw into catwoman territory, you will be hit with clever kitty move rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
From: United States
this is riveting stuff. i love pseudoeconomics; Eriliza assures us that building malls creates jobs. yes, for the construction types. but , with unemployment on the rise, there will be no demand for the goods and services which are being purveyed in the malls. folks will be laid off. ergo, no increase in employment. and , again, glomar befuddles me. there should be a balance between education and needs, as university is not for everyone. more vocational training is needed, says he. well, glomar, that is education, too. and, i beg to differ with the Malthusian forecast you posit; this country can produce far more food than it will ever need in the foreseeable future. we just do not have the proper production paradigms in place yet. when we do, we will have more than enough food to keep up with the population increase.
Written by: josean, 27 Jan 2009 7:22 AM
From: United States, Dedicating 4 more years to fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia
From: United States
Erliliza surely has some novel ideas regarding economy and society. now she offers that education without jobs "screws up the economy". you mean tjhat if we have unemployed people, it is better that they be illiterate, rather than prepared? "what the hell is going on here?", asked the late, great Vince Lombardi. i ask it again.
Written by: josean, 27 Jan 2009 8:13 AM
From: United States, Dedicating 4 more years to fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia
I agree dread, it boggles the mind!
From: United States
the mystery for the ages is that Eriliza is an advocate for the benefits of foreign investment. i guess she does not see that foreigners are investing in the third world because labor rates are cheap, not because people are illiterate.
From: United States
the pills, GC, the pills. your day should not commence without them.
Written by: josean, 27 Jan 2009 8:49 AM
From: United States, Dedicating 4 more years to fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia
Speaking of mind bogglers!
Written by: Eriliza, 27 Jan 2009 6:58 PM
From: United States, Boston, MA
gatita,
I did not mean to be rude when I asked for your age. It's okay, you don't have to tell me. I was wondering because of your way of thinking, not to make fun of you! And for your information I am not a child!
antonioj,
I was not having a bad day, and in fact I don't take this website too personal. Sometimes I hate it when people are very pessimistic about our society and how we can improve it. We can get out of the world crisis, and also improve DR's economy as well, but we all need to be cooperative about this! Because of people who think pessimisticly, things and countries do not succeed!
Written by: Eriliza, 27 Jan 2009 7:01 PM
From: United States, Boston, MA
dreadlocks,
What the heck is the point of having so many people who spent almost a huge portion of their lives in post-secondary institutions receiving a good education when in the real world they cannot get their jobs for what they went to school for?
That is just my way of thinking. Banks and other companies are going out of business and laying off accountants, managers, and other employees who went to school to practice such professions.
From: United States
do i take your offering to mean that we should be careful not to educate too many people, eriliza? how many should we educate, as a fraction of the population? and from which demographic should we choose the lucky ones? i guess that by your analysis, the countries which have highly literate populations are in for hell with this economic downturn, what with all the educated people skulking around.
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
enliza you have isolated the whiners and complainers on this site who are always playing the victim ...now you know who they are ...they are nattering Nabobs of negativism
Written by: Eriliza, 27 Jan 2009 7:22 PM
From: United States, Boston, MA
dreadlocks,
I am not saying that we have to pick out a certain fraction out of a whole population to educate. We all have to educate everyone, of course. But at the end it all depends on the individual. Period.
GC,
I know these whiners will not change their way of thinking once I say something to them. We should not take it personal becasue at the end, they are the limited and pessimistic ones who only see things the negative way!
From: United States
"i am not saying that we have to pick out a certain fraction out of a whole population to educate.
We all have to educate everyone, of course. But at the end it all depends on the individual. Period. "
What the heck is the point of having so many people who spent almost a huge portion of their lives in post-secondary institutions receiving a good education when in the real world they cannot get their jobs for what they went to school
eriliza, you posted both those passages. which one do you stick by, as they are opposing ideas, at least to me.
Written by: Eriliza, 27 Jan 2009 11:23 PM
From: United States, Boston, MA
There is no difference between both ideas.
1) Every citizen living in a country has the constitutional right and access to have a job.
2) If there are no job markets available such as companies investing in the DR, and there are many practicing and graduating professionals, then what is the point of investing so much time in an education that you will never practice since there are no jobs available?
This is why great and continuous investments like these are good for our economic growth. Even in this crisis, we can still stimulate ourselves with these great investments that will help out the Dominican economy.
From: United States
well Eriliza, if you consider building an apartment building for the wealthy as a great and continuous investment, i hope you stay away from policy making, at least in a third world country which has one of the lowest literacy rates in the world. i will not spend time rehashing the effects of tourism and other such investment ideas. there is enough literature on the subject available to those who seek to enlighten themselves.
Written by: jeb21, 28 Jan 2009 1:32 PM
From: United States
dread- koreans own ALL(?) the fruit and produce stands. they ALL buy from goodwill! YOU are spewing misinformation of the nth degree. you really are ignorant and it comes out in statements like these. they buy from goodwill and salvation army??? how COMPLETELY WRONG YOU ARE!! where the hell do you live? koreans are hard working and own many produce stands and they do require their kids to study study study! they dressto the 9's because they have money to dress to the 9s -- they enjoy their money - (maybe not when you see them dread(ful) in their work garb. they live in mega mansions, drive their bentleys and enjoy life. i am glad i picked up on this post from you - because as i mentioned in another post - dread has NO substance and this post of his clearly indicates such. folks - don't even pay any attention to any more posts by substanceless dreadlocks.
Written by: Username, 28 Jan 2009 1:38 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Koreans live in mega mansions and drive Bentleys!? Ok, now I've heard everything. Koreans live on the second floor above the store they run, or in the back.
Written by: antonioj, 28 Jan 2009 1:42 PM
From: Canada, home safe
"Written by: jeb21, 28 Jan 2009 1:32 PM
From: United States
"
I know who you are, what a shame you can not even stand up for your argument, instead you are hiding behind a name "jeb21". go figure.
Written by: josean, 28 Jan 2009 1:47 PM
From: United States, Dedicating 4 more years to fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia
jeb hows george?
Written by: jeb21, 28 Jan 2009 2:42 PM
From: United States
username - where do you get your information from? better check on the Koreans in the U.S. - extraordinary wealthy - live in the back??? you know not of what you speak! don't believe this? pity on you - not only bentleys, jags, lexus - only the best . have a problem with this scenario? Pity you -
antonioj - you know who i am!! good! what do you mean by not stand up for argument - your comment is deleted here
Written by: jeb21, 28 Jan 2009 2:43 PM
From: United States
josean - george and his dynasty - all seem to be pretty fine thank you.
Written by: abc200, 28 Jan 2009 2:45 PM
From: United Kingdom, Dominican Republic
Have you ever visited a 3rd. World country?
S.
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
the Koreans are certainly the toughest people in Asia ....they love to fight ....This is why they are called the Irish of Asia....and I would not open a grocery store in the Ghetto either ....tough tough tough they are
From: United States
jeb, i will not bother to dignify your remarks with any kind of response. you are just another internet cretin , looking for an argument. when you cannot separate figurative from literal, i know that you are some simpleton who dropped ot of the third grade. so, rant on a little more, and expose the fool that you are. you probably do not even know where the korean neighborhoods are. bentleys and lexus? yeah;right.
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
dread knows he got his ass kicked once trying to rob one of those Korean stores
From: United States, Somewhere in the World
jajajajajaa
dread what did you steal?
JAJAJAJA
From: United States
a packet of Depends for GC
From: United States, Somewhere in the World
jajajajaja
is that because he was stuck in bed?
Written by: jeb21, 30 Jan 2009 12:58 PM
From: United States
yeah dread - i am korean?
From: United States
jebby boy punked out, like i knew he would. came in like a house on fire, throwing roman candles everywhere, like some badass terminator dude. now look at him; posting little 5 word non-sequiturs. at 9 o clock today, i asked him to reply to some data i put on another post, and guess what? surprise, surprise; he has ignored it. next time, maybe you will exercise some caution; test the waters before you decide to dive in headlong and splash everyone. there are a lot of guys on this site who can kick my ass intellectually; men to whom i have to deliver respect. you are not one of them.
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
dread you are embarrassing me and stop putting yourself down
From: United States
antonioj, here is the other plant from DT, clocking in. the great TFISKE. Back with his tiresome act. so creative. every day , around this time, he does the only thing that he can think of; attacking dreadlocks. you should be declaring me your best friend. without me, what would your life be? going home to your trailer, getting stoned on crystal meth, and sodomizing an elk? what then? oh, i know! i can post a rant against dreadlocks when i have done all of the above. are you not ashamed to see that the readers all think you are a mental defective? worse yet, you cannot write a sentence in your native tongue? go to school, fiske. it is not too late.
Written by: josean, 31 Jan 2009 6:55 PM
From: United States, Dedicating 4 more years to fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia
Someone who lives in Alberta Canada, freaking Alberta Canada ,is lecturing people about not doing something with their life.
Now I have heard it all!
From: United States
josean, i have decided to just ignore this guy. it is obvious to all that he is a mental defective, with severe psychological issues. i will no longer engage him, and i suggest you consider doing likewise. let him have his 15 minutes of fun, and he will go away eventually, one way or another.
Written by: antonioj, 31 Jan 2009 9:18 PM
From: Canada, home safe
Tfiske and Jeb1 are the exact same person, yeap I would agree another plant from DT, heck Dread he does a good job at being the dumbest of all clown.
From: United States, Somewhere in the World
now, now kiddies lets behave ourselves...................
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Don't forget a 178,000 drops last year which the government admits to. To which you can probably safely add another 100,000 plus who are not counted as dropouts because they never went to school to begin with!
I know I do not need to convince you of this, but EDUCATION is ground ZERO for all development, but these Neanderthals fail to understand that. Then they teach the Dominican masses to clap like seals when projects like these are announced as if they will have any real impact on the true needs of the majority of them.
Now, if DT is a reflection of some of the brightest amongst us (myself excluded) and you find clapping seals here when these stupid projects are announced, what can we expect from the untutored folks!
that is so true so much infrastructure and businesses going up and more northerners claiming more of the DR and LF sitting back on his king chair drapped with a big banner "NEEDY I WELCOME YOUR MONEY", and yet so much poverty, displaced people living in jakales, struggling to eat and so many kids not attending school, how in the world do they ever think they're going to get anyone out of being illiterate.
That is the point keep them ignorant so we can stay in power plundering and pillaging the people and the treasury!
how and why do they get the income they get to be under him and not have to do anything for it, they're all retarded and stupid and very ignorant, LF is their with them I don't care what anybody says I don't find him very........intelligent at all when he speaks all that come out of his mouth ever is lies and promises that he never intends to keep..........
oh but when he speaks about money prospects he's as lit up as a X-mas tree, and very glowing
"I don't find him very........intelligent at all when he speaks all that come out of his mouth ever is lies and promises that he never intends to keep..........'
An ever increasing majority of people are coming to that conclusion. I we had a true independent press in DR they would conduct a poll that would reflect that the majority of people feel the way you do.
Please check out Guillermo Moreno who may be a serious option for 2012!
Dominicanos analizarán en EE.UU. el rol de sus líderes
http://www.listin.com.do/app/article.aspx?id=88833
I hate Juan Dolio since it is a town without a town and just a bunch of rubbish. They are trying to sell smoke and mirrors and nothing else but don't blame them for your stupid children nor for your being so passive and letting your polititian get away with the most absurd crap I have ever seen. After all you have a Dominican Cheerleader in Massachusettes who rallies what the government does here:)
Numero 1 destination in the Caribbean "Quisqueya la bella" or Dominican Republic!!!!!!!!!!!!
More money won't help situation, especially when barrio children everyday see uneducated drug lords driving Lexus and Hummer SUV's. Believe me, I have a good hunch of which avenue they will choose. To convince thyself, consider educational success rate for ever-expanding Dominican population in US.....they have all kinds of opportunities which go wasted....a few stars, but many failures.
PHD????
If most prosperous and richest nation in world [USA] has abyssmal and underachieving educational system, with $billions poured yearly, how could clear 3rd world country like DR be expected to do much better? Especially with all inbred cronysm, dysfunctional and corrupt gov't and citizenry more interested in trappings of instant gratification [ ah, those Lexus jipetas!!] and excess?
1) amount spent by each visitor per day
2) amount of days spent by each visitor
3) cost to house each visitor. number 1 minus number 3 equals net revenue per guest. multiply that by number 3 gives overall net revenue
then, we look at amount of arrivals..divide that by population. let us say that the DR has 10 million people, for economy of arithmetic. it had 4 million visitors last year. that gives us 1 visitor for every 2.5 people
happy to see news like DR is falling apart, there is not perfect country in the planet and each
one has its ups and downs, but guess that this type of news make you angry because you
are "he, ah, psst, nay, well" you know!!!!
"..there is no reason why children who arrive in the usa from the orient can perform well in the school system, while ours are lost at sea"
Their families place highest emphasis on value of education, sometimes scarificing one generation to move the next upwardly. Forgoing those jipetas and bachatas and numerous trips to DR to blow money on women and rum in favor of countless hours of reading, writing and arithmetic. That is how they succeed! Notice that orientals are never out whining or asking for more.....they just work hard and reap fruit of their labour. Period.
That argument worked with the metro, not here..
Are these condos being built by the state? Mmm not quite. This is a private investment and therefore the invester has the right to invest his money in all the condos he wants...Should private investments be halted or shooed away because of education and poverty issues? No need to mix apples with oranges. Those of you crying for schools and what not, your're doing it in the wrong place...
I don't understand why some people see these new constructions as being bad for DR. If a foreign inverters wants to buy some land and build a project in hopes of making some money what does it have to do with the education? Isn't it the governments responsibility to educate its youth, and not responsibility of some real estate developer and some hedge fund who finances it? The masses are purposely being kept dumb by their government so they are easier to control and steal from. What do foreign investors have to do with that?
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You must be living in the 1950s, my reactionary amigo!
Wah! But what about the schools and the poor!!?? Wah!!
That argument worked with the metro, not here..
Are these condos being built by the state? Mmm not quite. This is a private investment and therefore the invester has the right to invest his money in all the condos he wants...Should private investments be halted or shooed away because of education and poverty issues? No need to mix apples with oranges. Those of you crying for schools and what not, your're doing it in the wrong place...
No so fast my investor its not that clean and simple!
The government has to provide, firemen, police, roads and other infrastructure supports, with the peoples taxes. The public has to put up with more traffic and pollution. All these burdens on the society at large so others can make profit, of which the general population gets very little in return; not to mention the tax dollars that are diverted from other already seriously unmet needs!
Surely the airports are public but what motivated the need to build it? The need of the nationals to fly out or the need of the resorts to fly tourist in to an all inclusive keep all the money in house enviorment.
From: Dominican Republic
Let's go to the extremes and ask a question; would DR be better off if there are ZERO All Inclusives and ZERO tourists flying in, or if there are All Inclusives every 5 kms and they are all full all the time?
DR would be better if it had a rational diversified economic development model, rather than "all the eggs in one baske model," and if the bottom of the basket falls they have Empty All inclusive hotels every 5 KMS!
So by that logic nothing should be built here again, or even better let's destroy all the roads we have so there will be zero pollution, zero need for traffic cops and for firemen.
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You see it works like this; you have an economic development plan where the government invest in the future of its citizens, health, education. housing. It diversifies the economic opportunities to make it attractive for local and foreign investments. This will create good paying jobs because you now you have a better educated and healthy work force ready and available to investors. Eventually there will be a greater demand for labor and the wages of all will rise.
Check out Singapore as an example and they have virtually no land or beautiful beaches!
i think what you fail to understand is that those people who the GOV paves the roads for and builds the airports for SPEND MONEY here, pay the 16% sales tax, pay the priority taxes, spend their money in the local shops and restaurants, buy gas from the local gas stations, fix their cars at the local car shops and so on. they, or we since i am one of them, we spend our money here, which goes to the local economy, now how that money is distributed and what the GOV does with the tax ravenues is frankly Dominican's problem and not mine.
I have my own reason for opposing it, but why are so many of you so opposed to it? My reason: it will be a monumental drag on the budget, same as in many other world metropolises. Yours, I do not understand, particularly because your logic as discriminant for worth of investment pretty much parallel what the Metro is purported to offer.
I agree with you on additional cost of infrastructure required by these projects. But, what the heck, at least they have potential for returning cost to treasury via tax revenues and employment opportunities. Then, perhaps, community could take matters into its own hand, and begin to pay for its own cost of education-same as in most Western World countries, and start relying so much on government handouts.
This not complicate we have a small but very powerful group for whom this system has always worked, essentially since 1492. On occasions when the feel their power may be threatened they either provide repression (1930 -1961) or concessions( 1965 - until now) depending how organized the resistance and those making demands are.
They believe if we do things the way we have always done them we will get the results we have always gotten, that is, we get even more wealthy and the populace even more destitute.
Although life is evolutionary and it moves slowly, on occasions it takes revolutionary leaps like 1776 US revolution 1789 the French rev. 1965 Dominican Rev. And if the government keeps subjugating people into misery and deprivation with abuse of power and out right thievery and corruption, who knows we may take another revolutionary leap.
Continued:
I am not against Metros per sea, I am against lack of planing based on priorities for long term sustained growth, which truly addresses the quality of life for all the people not just the few that live around the area of the Metro stops!
No society has or ever will develop or move forward with out offering the maximum it can afford to its populace in EDUCATION. There is no way around it!
Big difference. Here in US [upstate NY,...far, far from Gotham City], about 30% of my income gets confiscated in income taxes. Additionally and separately , I contribute another $9,000.00/yr to the local school district and $3,500.00 to local gov't operations. While some small amount [think <20%] is returned from state gov't from confiscated taxes and lottery revenues, the local community is largely responsible for its own education which, by the way, is largely superior to that available in the big cities. This is total opposite of DR, where few pay taxes, and gov't is expected to provide all services, thereby creating a symbiotic and corrupt and socialistic cycle of dependency.
We really get the gov't we deserve.
Hope this helps.
What is the air quality we here you live?
What is the response time of the police, fire department, ambulance?
Is your garbage pickup on a regular schedule?
Are the roads full of potholes?
Did you support the war in Afghanistan and Iraq?
Do the kids in public school have to buy their text books?
Do they have running water, that's drinkable, do the have toilets?
When you went to motor vehicles how many bribes did you have to give to get you car, registered, inspected or to renew your license?
Nobody likes to pay takes, and they like it even less when you don't get anything at all for them!
dreadlocks
josean
escott
gatitapequena
One this project is done, boy it will look so beautiful indeed! :)
"What is the air quality we here you live?" Very good; no pollution issues. We have mandatory vehicle emission inspections.
"What is the response time of the police, fire department, ambulance?" <<15 min.
"Is your garbage pickup on a regular schedule?" Every Thursday.
"Are the roads full of potholes?" some in winter time, but generally fixed in summer.
"Did you support the war in Afghanistan and Iraq?" I supported Afghanistan.
"Do the kids in public school have to buy their text books?" No.
"Do they have running water, that's drinkable, do the have toilets?" Yes.
"When you went to motor vehicles how many bribes did you have to give to get you car, registered, inspected or to renew your license?" No.
"Nobody likes to pay takes, and they like it even less when you don't get anything at all for them! Don't forget that I pay separately for all of those services you cite." Big difference you miss is that here, corruption isn't so well-manifested
I was not being funny or disrespectful, the questions were rhetorical.
My point is you pay what appears to be a lot of taxes, maybe w you make a lot of money, you have poor accountant or they are just your fair share. I don't know nor its any ones business, certainly not mine.
The point is you get what you pay for and it seems to me you have a very good quality of life even it is some what taxing, pardon the pun!
yes after the building has gone up they employ personel, young, ignorant and will do anything to please the visitors, anything!!!!!!!
And yes this has nothing to do with education, however when the government steps in to spent those hard earned tax dollars to help the private investors make it here instead of for our young on their education.......ya thats where the horns start to grow........but i guess untill you have your own children you'll understand this fight.
I love you Kitty!
So the desired education system is in full swing cradle to grave.
jonbonz,
That result is reflective of the vicious cycle that needs to be broken. Those adults were once children who experienced governmental abandonment on the issue of education as well. So they have never internalized the value of education.
As long as the government neglects its most sacred responsibility; to provide the best universal access to the highest quality education for all its citizens, a hundred years from now the poll results will be the same!
Maybe builing a bar stool is the ultimate achievement of eductation:
http://www.extremehowto.com/xh/article.asp?article_id=60700
Jerk chicken instead of ribsteak anyone?
S.
http://www.artscrafts.org.uk/index.html
S.
S.
This is nothing but a pipe dream and a bad investment in these poor economic times. Where is the money going to come from to construct this monster? Who is going to buy? It will end up like the Miami condos, empty units with the owners, developers, and lending institutions bankrupt.
Source DR1
SD water wasters
According to the Santo Domingo Aqueduct and Sewage Corporation (CAASD) residents of Santo Domingo waste between 300 and 500 liters per day, which is almost double the world average. According to Ramon Rivas the study includes the area of "Greater Santo Domingo" where water consumption is above the world average. He added that if it continues, this habit could lead to a water crisis for the city in the future. Rivas said that excessive use by citizens can be blamed, but an outdated water network also creates water issues. He said that 15% to 20% of the water administered by the CAASD is wasted because of the problems in the water networks.
Europe taxi drivers come out here for 4 moths at a time. Typcal reirement age in France is 55. With increasing leisure time, low tax regime here in DR these units will sell quickly at about one quarter of Miami prices. One of the attractions is low charges, another that prices here of meals etc. are 1/2 or 1/3 of Miami or St. Tropez. Sensible investors should get in now while there is some nagative sentiment out there.
S.
From: Dominican Republic
still the issue with education will never be successful until it is a priority of parents as well. If the average parent does not want the children in school rather than hustling on the street then no amount of money or effort by the government will make a differentce.
I do not disagree with you on the need for parents to prioritize education but people are led by example and these parents were children that most like never saw that example. They are victims of governmental child neglect who are now adults with their own children who are neglecting them without even realizing it!
Cousin Itt, is just MAD (in more ways than one) because Oprah's candidate won and his is smelling the toe cheese like him!
Dread, you actually are a very smart and insightful writer! Don't associate yourself with people that are not at your intellectual level, it makes you look bad and takes away from your credibility....
that will have to be some serious price drop, because right now RE in DR is twice as expensive as Miami, and the only pro in DR's favor are low maintenance fees and low property taxes, everything else is in Miami favor.
"another that prices here of meals etc. are 1/2 or 1/3 of Miami"
not sure about that one. here an evening out for 2 people will run you at least 50$, recently i was in LA at the Sunset Strip and 2 steaks and a few rounds or beer were about 70-80$, and that was the Sunset Strip, Outback or TGI will run you under 50$.
It appears Baron Münchhausen has gone Sybil on us!
From: United States
"DominicanLady," hummmm!!!!!!!
It appears Baron Münchhausen has gone Sybil on us!
Need I say more?
I believe that you are indeed so dumb enough to understand that infrastructure creates employment for those who needed jobs and it will increase the DR capita.
Construction labor? Hmm...let me see. Don't you think that these workers are there working "treated like trash" like you said are there by their will? I think so.
In 20 years from now, I want my children to enjoy the great and prosperous infrastructure and also a more prosperous DR if more construction and infrastructural economic boom continues to take place.
http://www.trulia.com/property/10....N-Bayshore-Dr-4811-Miami-FL-33132
400,000
3br 1,000,000
http://www.trulia.com/property/35....-1000-Venetian-Way-Miami-FL-33139
2br ocean front in DR only 220,000.
Land for a villa is about 1/10 of Miami price of up to 1m dollars per acre.
Why don't these stupid posters just look on the net.
Shula's 100 dollars / person minimum for lobster with wine etc.
http://www.miamibeach411.com/Restaurants/shulas.html
http://www.dr1.com/forums/north-e....79-alesei-hotel-las-terrenas.html
Seafront in DR restaurant typically 40 dollars / person
Incredible value hotels start at 100E
http://www.tripadvisor.fr/Hotel_R....Peninsula_Dominican_Republic.html
S.
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do you not see around you the conditions people are living in, how they're struggling, but i guess if you think infastructure is going to better lives......good thinking on your part
i have nothing more to say on this subject...........at least not to you!!!!!!!
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/art....?f=/c/a/2008/12/03/MN3C14CTN5.DTL
GNH will increase!
S.
S.
While the great majority of Dominican children won't even be able to read the streets signs on the infrasture their parents built at exploited wages!
Good - meanwhile .......
S.
Education is a functional necessity under capitalism ............ not required for sugar cane cutters, shoeshine boys. This is why GC likes capitalism so much!
S.
There needs to be a good balance between education and needs. University is not for everyone and some people should pursue vocational training instead. I, nevertheless, value education highly and am a perpetual student.
PR is another country with a great deal of highly educated individuals who can not find jobs. This is creating a situation where dreams go unfulfilled and uprisings are simply a matter of time.
You are right it always boils down to EDUCATION!
and to gatitapequena,
You speak without knowledge my dear. Yes I do know the people that are struggling to get through in their lives. And same for the USA. There are people who struggle everywhere in this world, either in first- or third-world countries. Creating more malls and stores and towers and buildings will create more jobs for those who are struggling because of unemployment.
In fact swarms of little GC's ....... producing words like turds from the famous duck billed platypus true relics from a former age.
S.
In the DR you need money to make money, how insane is that.....i really don't see no progression this way.
also, what is the point of having a good education if there are no jobs available? wouldn't that screw up the economy?
http://english.gov.cn/official/2008-03/20/content_925232.htm
The old maxim is true 'to fail to plan is to plan to fail'.
then tell me........in order for you to get a job anywhere in the DR you need to go get a copy of your cedula, no
you need a police report, que no
you need a vehicle or a way of transportation, si
then tell me............how do the ones in poverty or that are poor get out of this cycle in order to get a job?
let me see..........i'm a calling my doggie.....his name is snoopy a hound dog and he's picking up the biggest clue.........................
YOU NEED MONEY, MONEY, MONEY
if your poor and don't have it......................how are you going to ever get a job?
hit me up i do want to know!!!!!!!!!!
Here in the USA is the same, but it is masked a little better.
and gatita, just curious to know,how old are you?
From: United States, Boston, MA
It all depends on what type of job you are into. But remember DR is a mixed country, so how the heck are people going to be racist?
Here in the USA is the same, but it is masked a little better.
and gatita, just curious to know,how old are you?
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Eriliza, you are mistaken if you are Domininca born you should do a little more research, countries like south africa, usa, cuba with substantial percentage of mixed populations are not exempted from racism, in other words racism or prejudice exist in any country regardless.
and you don't need to know what my age is, i haven't asked what your age is and i don't want to know it......plus its not even a factor in here or any other discusions
and also its not masked the same here in the US because the employer checks you out to see if your a criminal by providing his own background search and making sure your legal, ofcourse you provide your id and ss# so they can make a copy and none of this costs you a penny in the US
antonioj.............thank you, you hit the nail right on its head!!!!!!
From: United States, Somewhere in the World
no its okay antonioj even if she would of solicited that kind of information in a more private way, its really not her business, she's just a child i'll forgive her for even asking she dosen't know better, but she'll learn
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rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr no doubt I concurr, see children never paw into catwoman territory, you will be hit with clever kitty move rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/WORLD....pcf/01/26/canon.babies/index.html
I did not mean to be rude when I asked for your age. It's okay, you don't have to tell me. I was wondering because of your way of thinking, not to make fun of you! And for your information I am not a child!
antonioj,
I was not having a bad day, and in fact I don't take this website too personal. Sometimes I hate it when people are very pessimistic about our society and how we can improve it. We can get out of the world crisis, and also improve DR's economy as well, but we all need to be cooperative about this! Because of people who think pessimisticly, things and countries do not succeed!
What the heck is the point of having so many people who spent almost a huge portion of their lives in post-secondary institutions receiving a good education when in the real world they cannot get their jobs for what they went to school for?
That is just my way of thinking. Banks and other companies are going out of business and laying off accountants, managers, and other employees who went to school to practice such professions.
I am not saying that we have to pick out a certain fraction out of a whole population to educate. We all have to educate everyone, of course. But at the end it all depends on the individual. Period.
GC,
I know these whiners will not change their way of thinking once I say something to them. We should not take it personal becasue at the end, they are the limited and pessimistic ones who only see things the negative way!
We all have to educate everyone, of course. But at the end it all depends on the individual. Period. "
What the heck is the point of having so many people who spent almost a huge portion of their lives in post-secondary institutions receiving a good education when in the real world they cannot get their jobs for what they went to school
eriliza, you posted both those passages. which one do you stick by, as they are opposing ideas, at least to me.
1) Every citizen living in a country has the constitutional right and access to have a job.
2) If there are no job markets available such as companies investing in the DR, and there are many practicing and graduating professionals, then what is the point of investing so much time in an education that you will never practice since there are no jobs available?
This is why great and continuous investments like these are good for our economic growth. Even in this crisis, we can still stimulate ourselves with these great investments that will help out the Dominican economy.
From: United States
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I know who you are, what a shame you can not even stand up for your argument, instead you are hiding behind a name "jeb21". go figure.
antonioj - you know who i am!! good! what do you mean by not stand up for argument - your comment is deleted here
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dread what did you steal?
JAJAJAJA
is that because he was stuck in bed?
Now I have heard it all!