SANTO DOMINGO. - The National Assembly yesterday confirmed Tuesday’s controversial legislation to limit the citizens’ free access to beaches, coasts, rivers, lakes and lagoons, by including the phrase “without jeopardizing private property,” a proposal many lawmakers had rejected.
Around 140 assembly members voted to amend the proposal to the paragraph in article 13 of the new Constitution in the second reading, in adherence to the agreement between president Leonel Fernandez and opposition leader Miguel Vargas.
Another 26 assembly members of the 54 who rejected the decision on Tuesday, yesterday voted for the proposal, while the others were no-shows.
FILE.- The Constitution Revisory Assembly on Tuesday failed to clarify the ambiguous Law 305 on Coasts and Seas which doesn’t specify the citizens’ right to access their beaches, coasts, rivers, lakes and lagoons, rejecting the proposal to benefit from them, "without jeopardizing property private."
The text, rejected with 95 votes for (100 were needed for approval) and 54 against stipulated that “without jeopardizing the rights to private property, the national beaches and coasts, rivers, lakes and lagoons, are of free access to the public, in the conditions and forms the law determines."
Adding to the confusion, the lawmakers disregarded the agreement on the controversial legislation by the heads of the ruling PLD party, Leonel Fernandez, and of the opposition PRD, Miguel Vargas.
In that regard, the spokesman of the PRD’s deputies Ruddy González requested a revocation of the voting and a "recount" in today’s Assembly session, alleging that his colleagues "mistook" the motion by voting against it.
Most of the country’s major hotels place armed guards along the beach to keep non guests from using the swath Law 305 describes as “a strip marked by the high tide line and 60 meters inland, access to which cannot be impeded, without jeopardizing property private.”The Constitution Revisory Assembly on Tuesday failed to clarify the ambiguous Law 305 on Coasts and Seas which doesn’t specify the citizens’ right to access their beaches, coasts, rivers, lakes and lagoons, rejecting the proposal to benefit from them, "without jeopardizing property private."
The text, rejected with 95 votes for (100 were needed for approval) and 54 against stipulated that “without jeopardizing the rights to private property, the national beaches and coasts, rivers, lakes and lagoons, are of free access to the public, in the conditions and forms the law determines."
Adding to the confusion, the lawmakers disregarded the agreement on the controversial legislation by the heads of the ruling PLD party, Leonel Fernandez, and of the opposition PRD, Miguel Vargas.
In that regard, the spokesman of the PRD’s deputies Ruddy González requested a revocation of the voting and a "recount" in today’s Assembly session, alleging that his colleagues "mistook" the motion by voting against it.
Most of the country’s major hotels place armed guards along the beach to keep non guests from using the swath Law 305 describes as “a strip marked by the high tide line and 60 meters inland, access to which cannot be impeded, without jeopardizing property private.”
From: Puerto Rico, Oso Blanco Rio Piedras
If this law is permitted it should require a very heavy Tax to help subsidize public beaches and their maintenance ......If you want a private beach you can pay heavily for it annually
Written by: BASTA, 1 Oct 2009 8:01 AM
From: Dominican Republic, =Ghetto/Legalize Drugs
Leonel Fernandez, and of the opposition PRD, Miguel Vargas. Now we have 2 Jotos
From: United States
These people are scum.
One more thing stolen from the majority of Dominicans for the few.
Written by: juanb, 1 Oct 2009 8:34 AM
From: Dominican Republic
This years legislature has had quite a profitable session for themselves. They outlawed out right to complain:
Citizens lose civil right
The new Constitution agreed on by the PRD and PLD majority in Congress and the party leaderships includes a clause eliminating Dominican citizens' right to protest against violations of the Constitution or the violation of rules or judicial acts. The change was made on the grounds that citizens "do not have a true judicial or legally protected interest." This means that Dominicans will not be able to protest when they believe that laws, resolutions or decrees issued by the government are in violation of the Constitution, as reported in El Caribe.
They have helped the church take away a woman's right to decide what she wants to do (outlawing abortions).
And now they have privatized our beaches. Seems like maybe for the first reading either their "envelopes" hadn't arrived, or they misunderstood the instructions that came with them.
Throw the bums
From: United States
we have a lot of that in USA. The access is denied but it does not mean you cannot get to the beach from other point of entry. I did not see that clause in the paper. Let's be honest. If I buy a piece of land and make a little wealthy community close to the beach, and I make a road to access the community and the beach, does that means that now I have to make that road public so that everyone could acces the beach throught the community I built?, I guess they could find another point of entry or he/she will be trespassing, you know waht I mean!!
Written by: xwill7, 1 Oct 2009 9:46 AM
From: United States, Chicago
this can only be a good thing if the private beaches are kept clean
Written by: Cacique, 1 Oct 2009 10:23 AM
From: Dominican Republic
All this is not more than sheer thievery, we won't see just now, but way till next summer's sweltering heat to see the start of turmoil and violence when more and more dominincans realize they no longer have a beach to cool off in..
Written by: StanEarl, 1 Oct 2009 10:30 AM
From: United States
Good morning to All. Xwill7 this is only the begining; what happen when all the beaches are privatize, the public is push to over crowded ones.
Written by: Lopez31, 1 Oct 2009 11:00 AM
From: United States
I would like to announce that all the rivers in San Jose de last matas have been privatized by its citizens. Any goverment official that would like to visit will need a permit which will cost about 100k. This will be the only way for the population to get their stolen money back.
From: United States
The Partido de la Libertad Dominicana (PLD) should change its name. Maybe The Dictatorship Party or the Masked Communist Party. For the first time, the PLD is losing its values.
Written by: bernies, 1 Oct 2009 11:09 AM
From: United States, key west fl
And then people asked themselves the question of why are so many dominicans risking their life on a boat trip to Puerto rico for a chance to have a better life when they get back to the DR after doing whatever it takes to make money, well they no longer have a life on their native country , because it has been taking away by their own country men the corrupts politicians. So they will go and sale drugs on the streets because the only way to enjoy the beauty of their country is if they have money and they would do whatever it takes to get that money. so who is it to blame for all the bad things that are happening here. You all know the answer to that correct? it is nothing worst than a country without hope for their country men which in other words could turn in to young kids reading these ugliness and make up their own mind and go the wrong way what a shameful thing have these lawmakers done to their own people. If you have money come forward and i will sale you any beach.
From: United States
Honestly, everyone of the public beaches that I've been too the locals throw beer bottles on the sand, leave garbage behind and treat it with no sense of respect. Then there is noone left to pick up after them. This is the real same. You go to a nice beach on most of the public beaches in the US and you see very little of this. Why is that?
The ones that are destroying the beaches and rivers there are the locals themselves, noone else.
Written by: nyghost, 1 Oct 2009 11:28 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Whoever wrote this article, please do not repeat paragraphs.
"Adding to the confusion, the lawmakers... blah, blah."
Written by: bernies, 1 Oct 2009 11:54 AM
From: United States, key west fl
Hey richardalberto you can cure a headache by cutting the head off right. First you go to the doctor to be examine and then you get some medicine. What I am trying to say is if the people don't resp the beaches you make rules and laws and then you enforce it. you leave garbage behind you'll get a fine just like they are doing in the colonial zone of Santos Domingo that you cannot put your trash out before 5pm because if you do and you get busted, you get taking in front of a judge who is going to fine you and the fine go anywhere from 1500.00 to 2500.00 pesos or you go to jail.
Written by: xwill7, 1 Oct 2009 11:56 AM
From: United States, Chicago
lopez,
la presa de inoa viene pronto. Just wait until Santiago has some major water shortage, construction will start and no one could stop the gov. Those people who own land outside of SAJOMA will be paid fair market value. Many will never recover what they have invested, some will win but some will loose
Written by: MrSteve, 1 Oct 2009 11:59 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Think forward, what about the AI resorts that sell based on the beaches.... if there's free access it will turn Bavaro beach/Playa Dorada into chaos. A full market with everyone selling something, all the young gangs looking to steal, gangs of young men chasing white girls....
Or maybe just go to the new emerging AI market hotel with the same beaches in Cuba..... or Cancun, where the beaches are the hotel's property and will stay that way...
If any of you have been on Boca Chica public beach on a busy weekend, you'll know what I mean...
From: United States
I've never seen a foreigner trash a beach!!! The reason that after all theses years Punta Cana and Bavaro have maintained their value is because the hotels clean the beach for their clients. Their clients in turn appreciate the beauty and take care themselves. Anything that is free is NEVER appreciated.
Written by: josean, 1 Oct 2009 12:46 PM
From: United States
TonyTunTun,
"For the first time, the PLD is losing its values."
That METRO, I mean train left the station a long, long, long time ago like 1996!
Why do you think I call it, PLD ="El Partido de Liquidación Dominicana!"
Written by: josean, 1 Oct 2009 12:53 PM
From: United States
bernies,
Ricky Romana is an apologist for LIE-onel Fernandez and the criminal enterprise called the PLD, in his eyes they do no wrong, anything that goes wrong is somebody else’s fault, usual the victim of the crime.
In this case the Dominican masses!
Written by: franberu, 1 Oct 2009 1:08 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
I am a gringo and I consider that the poeple of Dominican Republic should be allowede on any beach of the coiuntry. If the owner wants to change their bad habits of cleanness they have to show thew how and why they shoud behave. It is also an insult to post an english sign like the one photografed here in a spanish country. i HOPE that Dominicans will not accept this colonialism.,
Written by: josean, 1 Oct 2009 1:22 PM
From: United States
i HOPE that Dominicans will not accept this colonialism.,
Bingo!
Written by: bernies, 1 Oct 2009 1:36 PM
From: United States, key west fl
Josean you don't solves problems by creating more problems correct? I am not saying that is anybody fault what is happening it is everybody fault, all I'm saying is that we should educate our people to behave like civilized human been. by any way possible like putting up signs that reads if you come to this beach that is your and it is clean and you trash it all over the places you will be fine or be taking to jail and make it in to a law.
From: United States
well, when i saw incidents like costambar putting up gates to disallow free access of DOMINICANS to the beach, because those second class, rowdy, beer drinking, merengue playing natives were supposedly interrupting Mr Gringo's right to quiet enjoyment, i realised that the end was near. that, my friends, is what i have been preaching all along. Dominican politicians are notorious for their absolute lack of morals, and will sell out to the highest bidder. so, if some guys from Bumfuk, Idaho, want to start some little gated community, and they do not want the likes of Fausto and Belkis swimming in their sea, all they have to do is use the strength of pocketbook to get laws passed to reinstate apartheid and colonialism. it is sad, real sad.
Written by: Lopez31, 1 Oct 2009 2:12 PM
From: United States
Xwill, I've been hearing about the inoa presa for a while. Is it true? Maybe they will pave the road linking Sajoma with Moncion then.
Written by: xwill7, 1 Oct 2009 2:33 PM
From: United States, Chicago
if they do make it I have some land that will give me a lake front view. They say that Sajoma will be paved to el rubio then moncion. But corozo, caobanico all of those areas would be gone if they do this. Kind of sad because the river at el ranchito is always good for a pasa dia.
I was going to invest in campo verde but I am scared that they would build the presa. People say that they are not going to build it, but I think that as Santiago continues to grow, they will need it to ensure the water supply and add a good energy source... Once the gov says yes to start the construction, no one will stop them. you know how that works
From: Dominican Republic
its funny to see we Dominican die to get out of the country to come to America (or somewhere better) but if we wait long enough we wont need to get out of the country to inhabit American land. YAiiiiiiii!!!!!
From: United States
yes, El Architecto. soon, as a Dominican, you will be needing a visa to visit abuela in San Jose de Ocoa.
Written by: Lopez31, 1 Oct 2009 2:51 PM
From: United States
Xwill, that's very interesting. I really hope the road gets paved. The government has been promising to pave that road from San Jose de Las matas to Moncion since balaguer was president. Thus far nothing has been done.
From: Dominican Republic
mannnn!!! do you know how hard it is to get one of those...abuela better get her a*& out of America and visit me en Las Matas de Farfan. I hope they let get pass un salami that I got for her.
From: Dominican Republic
Don't worry it will get done...remember thats not going to be a "motoconcho" road, that going to be a "Yipera" read.
From: Dominican Republic, Boca de Chavon
I would have liked to have been in on the conversation with Fernandez and Vargas just to understand why such a draconian sentence could have been put into a constitution ,,,on face value it is so vague that a court would be needed to interpret the meaning and even the the legislators did not understand what they were voting about .
i go to the very overcrowded Dominicus beach where there is no shade, little parking and small access and I see all the hotel guests on both side walking over the public and yet the public are prevented by guns from going to the better areas the hotels have ..I do agree with Richardalberto that the Dominicans throw their rubbish everywhere even when there are tins there.
This measure goes too far in favour of the hotels and there needs to be legislation that when ever a beach area is set aside for hotel guests the hotel must provide and maintain a beach for the public of at least the same size in the same area .
From: United States
just look at the logical progression of this issue. no sane hotel chain or developer is going to build a hotel in an area where the beach sucks. ergo, since hotel development is the be-all and end-all, it is only a matter of time when the best beaches will be off limits to all but hotel clients. so, Dominicans will be restricted to bathing in the Yaque del Norte, until the developers take over the Cibao. ah, well, there is always the bathtub.
Written by: josean, 1 Oct 2009 3:10 PM
From: United States
"This measure goes too far in favour of the hotels and there needs to be legislation that when ever a beach area is set aside for hotel guests the hotel must provide and maintain a beach for the public of at least the same size in the same area ."
So Ricky do you prefer a Separate but Equal Doctrine for DR or maybe just outright Jim Crow laws!
Or maybe we should consider South African style apartheid, not that we don't have it unofficially already as economic apartheid!
My God, do you even realize the consequences of the things you propose in your comments?
From: United States
Ricky is a sad excuse for a lame brain. i pity him. his folly is what can be described as "unintended consequences". he fails to realise that what he proposes is , in effect, separate but equal bathing rights. Rick, be patient. CONCENTRATE! PAY ATTENTION! dont just hammer away at the keyboard. hire an editor, for chrissakes!
Written by: xwill7, 1 Oct 2009 3:36 PM
From: United States, Chicago
lopez,
check out my tread on the Santiago to SAJOMA road. Its in the general area of the forum(its the topic that has a picture of a little traffic cone). Yes they need to fix that road, too many flat tires in my life on that road. lol
Written by: xwill7, 1 Oct 2009 3:42 PM
From: United States, Chicago
there are some hotels that were already kicking the non paying people out
From: United States
Ricky, go read up on Brown vs Board of Education, a landmark case in the desegregation of schools in the USA. then revisit your comments on seperate beaches.
Written by: josean, 1 Oct 2009 3:58 PM
From: United States
dread,
It is amazing how political fanaticism divests people from rational thought, it is utterly fascinating!
From: United States
i have never seen a guy who appears to be a more adept political shill than this guy. his remarks are not rooted in any semblance of reality. hey, Ricky; Leo says that the check is in the mail.
Written by: josean, 1 Oct 2009 4:12 PM
From: United States
And he drew the funds from the latest international loan to make you happy!
From: Dominican Republic, Boca de Chavon
Dear Josedreadlocks ..if you did not realise . already there is segregation on the beaches in this country but maybe if you experienced things here a little more it would be easier,,There are men with guns keeping me from walking peacefully along the beach in case I may get close to a hotel guest and I have to swim some hundreds of yards away from the beach to get past , No one from the local authority takes much interest in keeping the small public beach areas clean or providing parking or providing some drinking water and so where can an ordinary person go ??
One idea is that for every appropriation of beach that takes place , the thieving hotel must also provide a decent facility for all the poor people like me who have no where decent to go ,,sorry if that gets up your nose but it would be a better situation than we have now
From: Botswana, Seatin here in Gaborone having a drink with Ms Pussy Galore
This is nuts its one thing for the Hotels to have guards to make sure locals do not have access to their property. But Its another when this have to be written into law. How much pandering your politicians are willing to do for business interest. If their are willing to sell your dignity to the highest bidder do you really think they are willing to stop that flow of slave labor coming from next door. instead of always blaming your social problems on xenophobic views maybe you need to start looking at your ruling class.
From: United States
PatDiamond, that is one most insightful posting. i applaud your lucidity of mind, and your understanding of the issue. seperate but equal beaches is not the answer. that mindset was already ventilated in the issue of segregation in american schools. it is a pity that people like Ricardolito finds it acceptable that foreigners can come to his country, declare beaches off limits to his own people, and throw them a bone to pacify them. and, as you say, if they will pass laws to protect hotel interests, do you think they will do anything about illegal immigration? hey, they do not care where the money comes from, as long as they can spend it. it is disgraceful, and you, Ricardolito, should be mortified that such a thing can happen in your country. oh, i forgot. tourism creates gardeners, and busboys, and chambermaids. my bad.
From: Dominican Republic, Boca de Chavon
I could have guessed that Joselocks would want nothing to change and offer nothing but criticism to any idea ,,he wants the same as is now in place where residents and citizens here are confined to dirty beaches in many areas while hotel guests enjoy the best parts ,,just go to Boca Chica , to Juan Dolio, to Bayahibe and look for your self .. no one wants the current system in practice or in law but if it has to be there because of all the stupid politicians , well let´s get something good out of it for the people living here
From: United States
i guess you fail to understand the concepts that are in play here. i suggest you take a moment to examine the moving parts in that idea, and sleep on it. then, maybe you will be a little more measured in your response. you seem unable to grasp the notion of "a slippery slope" what next? hospitals where the "barrio mobs" are not permitted, but they can go to the seperate but equal one in the next province? have you pondered this carefully, or do you respond just to use up broadband? what if the hotels cannot find an equal beach nearby? do they rescind the order, or are they allowed to offer an alternative several miles away? how does your idea work?
Written by: StanEarl, 1 Oct 2009 9:27 PM
From: United States
CAn't you guys see it, the land is in privatization mode. The Gov is pushing full throttle with this agenda. In the eyes of the minority in charge and to foreign investor it is the greatest business. Remember folks history repeat itself, early 1900 what happened..It s a shame that Real Dominican can't truly enjoy the all inclusive.
From: United States
I don't understand what are we complaining about, it has never been ours in the first place, or havent you gotten to some places where the police just tell: "you cannot come in after this line...." the diference now is going on papers, but let's hope those paper get lost as many born registry books that get lost and when you go to try to get your Acta de Naciniento, you have to pay them as it is your fault they lost the book.
Written by: josean, 2 Oct 2009 10:39 AM
From: United States
dread, diamond,
What Ricardo is essentially saying is if your being raped you might as well enjoy the sex, what a colonial’s mentality, my God!
PS
Diamond, I also agree with dread's appraisal of your comments, excellent!
From: United States
wow the corrupt dominican politicians sold there soul to the devil. they actually banned dominican citizens from using local beaches . talk about the american take over, this is a dominican land who are the foreigners to think they could just come to the dominican republic and take over beaches with arm guards . there has to be a limit here, the dominican republic needs new leardership stop voting for mofongo face leonel fernandez . dr cannot let them bloodsuking americans take over land like that.
From: United States, New Haven, CT
Does anyone else see the signs of an athoritarian regime here?
Limiting people's rights to protest acts they deem unconstitutional, taking away public resources for privatization, the banning of firearms at will, signing agreements with the IMF, changing the constitution without asking the public, no term limits for the president?!!
Our country needs a hero, I see another dictatorship in the horizon and a nation of people too illitirate to understand their own constitution WTF are we going to do?
I'm sick f the injustice, and I'm sick of the BS propaganda is it going to be left up to nationals abroad to stand up and fight?
Written by: Vivacuba, 2 Oct 2009 1:52 PM
From: Dominican Republic
dondankar, You truly are a dumb*ss.
From: Dominican Republic, Boca de Chavon
Joselocks ..that is patently absurd to post that
Written by: josean, 2 Oct 2009 3:25 PM
From: United States
Absurdity is in your DNA!
From: Dominican Republic
How about a nataural beauty of a beach such as Macao, being assigned a National Park? This would keep the private intersts at bay and allow a great beach with a well paved public road to have public access. I would even like to see the government set up a user fee,
I am afraid that soon...this country will have little resaon for me to live here anymore.
Written by: josean, 3 Oct 2009 2:32 PM
From: United States
How about a nataural beauty of a beach such as Macao, being assigned a National Park?
Stop thinking logical Mike; you will hurt the politician’s brains, well the few that may have one!
Written by: josean, 3 Oct 2009 2:33 PM
From: United States
IronThinker,
I have that serious concern also!
Written by: StanEarl, 3 Oct 2009 4:33 PM
From: United States
Josean don't ever use these words in the same sentence....***Politician and Brain***....what is wrong with you Brother..
For the right amount we might get guys..because it might be gone soon
Written by: josean, 3 Oct 2009 7:06 PM
From: United States
StanEarl,
Sorry for that temporary lapse in judgment, I assure you it will never happen again sir!
Written by: oupala07 
, 4 Oct 2009 4:43 AM
From: Canada
That's what I call "Parking the masses in order to enjoy this country goodies." The beaches, the fresh water and the whole coast line belong to Corporations. The population can't get access to the sea without paying a fee because to reach to the sea you most go through the coast line first.
My friends the Dominicans, I surely do not envy you.
From: United States
don't worry for them , oupala07. Ricky Romana will suggest 'seperate but equal" alternatives for Dominicans.
From: Dominican Republic, Boycott Dominican Tourism
Boycott Dominican Tourism
Dominicans against privatization of Dominican beaches…
Demand your beaches back….. Tell your family, tell your friends to boycott Dominican tourism and demand your beaches back…
Fight against government corruption in the Dominican Republic……
Today is the Beaches; tomorrow it is the whole country.
Repost on your facebook, Myspace, etc…..
From: United States
Chill, what is this?
Fight against government corruption in the Dominican Republic……
Today is the Beaches; tomorrow it is the whole country.
tomorrow?
Written by: oupala07 , 4 Oct 2009 4:51 PM
From: Canada
What can you do? It's already in the bag. It is over pals. Haven't you been told so last month that the IMF and the World Bank have bought you and your country. You defaulted in the payment of your debt like every developping country, and now as a Chapter Eleven way out, they are privatizing everything in your society.
Everything You own will be under foreign control : your fresh water, your resort baeaches, your natural resources, your electricity, your gas, your communication system, and everything else that generate money.
You have been sold and left in the cold people, and your socio economic and political elite has already pocket the cash. They have managed to sway your attention away by giving you the Haitians to hate as a distraction, and now you are not better well off than us in your own country. In fact, when you take a good look at it, you realize that when law become a reality, the Dominican citizen is a landlock individual living on an island. How do you like it now?
Written by: oupala07 , 4 Oct 2009 5:05 PM
From: Canada
Dreadlocks,
That's what must happen when people believe in the white man. The Dominicans have done everything they can in order to present their country as a white or mixed world with almost no negro population in it. Well, let them go tell the World Financiers that they can't be treated like a vulgar bunch of aborigens by locking them out of their island resources.
I am pretty sure that those : "Private Roads! Residents and Guests only! No Beach Access!" signs will be enforced differently depending on the skin color of the trespassers. Maybe it's a sure way to park the Negro population in the Eastern side of the island.
Welcome to Apartheid revisited Dominican style my friend.
It is a pitty tha the CHE is dead.
From: United States
Vivacuba, I believe u don't understand, there is no law in DR, if I open a resort over there, you are not getting to my part of the beach. I am not taliking about something that I saw on TV or discussed in these lines. I have been there my friend, Thrown out like a dog from a beach area, about the dumb ass thing, maybe your are right, except for the fact that my feets are on earth not on some drem of how thing should be. I look at life for what it is, and hope that one day it could change. But if you don't believe me my friend, try to go to an beach area own by a resort, and u'll see what I am talking about.
From: Dominican Republic, Boca de Chavon
oupala ..I have never read anything so incorrect ,,,,the IMF and the world bank own nothing here--that is just in your imagination , the overwhelming amount of land is owned by Dominicans and none here uses the phrase negro population --again just your imagination.
you are totally wrong also when you say all those signs saying Private Road Residents and Guests only are aimed against a black population, nearly everyone here has a little bit of black in their genes and for most people it is a most healthy and beautiful colour and positively persuades many a judge in beauty contests .
Finally there most certainly is no apartheid in the DR ,,so please do not try to stir anything up from nothing .
Nearly every country has to get used to these horrible multinationals , I was reading where Canada and Australia are on the top of the list of foreign ownership but they seem to be doing ok ..just make them pay all their taxes in the countries where they do business
Written by: josean, 5 Oct 2009 3:23 PM
From: United States
From: United States
at times i applaud Ricky Romana. at least he is positive and upbeat, which is a good thing to be, in these trying times. unrealistic yes, but enthusiastic. sis,boom,bah, Ricky! pass the pom poms, and twirl them batons!
Written by: StanEarl, 5 Oct 2009 4:31 PM
From: United States
Nice Ricky I am not at you Brother I like !!!!
Written by: oupala07 , 5 Oct 2009 7:18 PM
From: Canada
Don't you worry guys, for one day the mess will be so huge that you won't be able to turn your head away from it anymore. What you don't understand is that your resources are not protected anymore period, and at any certaim moment they dim fit, the Corporations can buy the land under your feet and on which you're walking.
My friend Ricardolito,
The World Bank and the IMF are built by member countries which contribute for a certain percentage of their capital. When they lend us money, we become deptors of those countries. The World Bank, The IMF are all name behind which Powerful countries like the United States, Great Britiain, Belgium, France, Japan have hid themselves in order to rob the third world.
Therefore, when we can't pay, they buy us at discount price. Now, their Corporations own every major business in your country, and Sooner it will be littered with private properties with that kind of sign : "Private Lake Enriquillo, no fishing, no bathing, Keep out!"
Written by: josean, 5 Oct 2009 8:54 PM
From: United States
oupala07,
Thank you for your humanitarian effort trying to enlighten Ricky Pollyanna, but unfortunately, pardon the pun, Brother Ricky has his head buried in the sand.
Now what we can't figure out is it of his volition or is getting some type of remuneration for his act from the powers that be!
From: United States
he has to be getting paid. nobody can be in such a state of denial for free.
Written by: Trujillo, 8 Oct 2009 3:16 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Learn to read, nobody is privatizing public beaches, rivers or lakes. All that has been said here is that private property should be respected.
From: United States
Trujillo, i would rather not waste time trying to explain to you the concept of a 'SLIPPERY SLOPE". let us just say that that is what results when legislation is open to various interpretations, with nebulous clauses. because, in this country, the weight of the law is in the hands of the guys who paid for them, i.e the hotel interests.
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These people are scum.
One more thing stolen from the majority of Dominicans for the few.
Citizens lose civil right
The new Constitution agreed on by the PRD and PLD majority in Congress and the party leaderships includes a clause eliminating Dominican citizens' right to protest against violations of the Constitution or the violation of rules or judicial acts. The change was made on the grounds that citizens "do not have a true judicial or legally protected interest." This means that Dominicans will not be able to protest when they believe that laws, resolutions or decrees issued by the government are in violation of the Constitution, as reported in El Caribe.
They have helped the church take away a woman's right to decide what she wants to do (outlawing abortions).
And now they have privatized our beaches. Seems like maybe for the first reading either their "envelopes" hadn't arrived, or they misunderstood the instructions that came with them.
Throw the bums
The ones that are destroying the beaches and rivers there are the locals themselves, noone else.
"Adding to the confusion, the lawmakers... blah, blah."
la presa de inoa viene pronto. Just wait until Santiago has some major water shortage, construction will start and no one could stop the gov. Those people who own land outside of SAJOMA will be paid fair market value. Many will never recover what they have invested, some will win but some will loose
Or maybe just go to the new emerging AI market hotel with the same beaches in Cuba..... or Cancun, where the beaches are the hotel's property and will stay that way...
If any of you have been on Boca Chica public beach on a busy weekend, you'll know what I mean...
"For the first time, the PLD is losing its values."
That METRO, I mean train left the station a long, long, long time ago like 1996!
Why do you think I call it, PLD ="El Partido de Liquidación Dominicana!"
Ricky Romana is an apologist for LIE-onel Fernandez and the criminal enterprise called the PLD, in his eyes they do no wrong, anything that goes wrong is somebody else’s fault, usual the victim of the crime.
In this case the Dominican masses!
Bingo!
I was going to invest in campo verde but I am scared that they would build the presa. People say that they are not going to build it, but I think that as Santiago continues to grow, they will need it to ensure the water supply and add a good energy source... Once the gov says yes to start the construction, no one will stop them. you know how that works
i go to the very overcrowded Dominicus beach where there is no shade, little parking and small access and I see all the hotel guests on both side walking over the public and yet the public are prevented by guns from going to the better areas the hotels have ..I do agree with Richardalberto that the Dominicans throw their rubbish everywhere even when there are tins there.
This measure goes too far in favour of the hotels and there needs to be legislation that when ever a beach area is set aside for hotel guests the hotel must provide and maintain a beach for the public of at least the same size in the same area .
So Ricky do you prefer a Separate but Equal Doctrine for DR or maybe just outright Jim Crow laws!
Or maybe we should consider South African style apartheid, not that we don't have it unofficially already as economic apartheid!
My God, do you even realize the consequences of the things you propose in your comments?
check out my tread on the Santiago to SAJOMA road. Its in the general area of the forum(its the topic that has a picture of a little traffic cone). Yes they need to fix that road, too many flat tires in my life on that road. lol
It is amazing how political fanaticism divests people from rational thought, it is utterly fascinating!
One idea is that for every appropriation of beach that takes place , the thieving hotel must also provide a decent facility for all the poor people like me who have no where decent to go ,,sorry if that gets up your nose but it would be a better situation than we have now
What Ricardo is essentially saying is if your being raped you might as well enjoy the sex, what a colonial’s mentality, my God!
PS
Diamond, I also agree with dread's appraisal of your comments, excellent!
Limiting people's rights to protest acts they deem unconstitutional, taking away public resources for privatization, the banning of firearms at will, signing agreements with the IMF, changing the constitution without asking the public, no term limits for the president?!!
Our country needs a hero, I see another dictatorship in the horizon and a nation of people too illitirate to understand their own constitution WTF are we going to do?
I'm sick f the injustice, and I'm sick of the BS propaganda is it going to be left up to nationals abroad to stand up and fight?
I am afraid that soon...this country will have little resaon for me to live here anymore.
Stop thinking logical Mike; you will hurt the politician’s brains, well the few that may have one!
I have that serious concern also!
For the right amount we might get guys..because it might be gone soon
Sorry for that temporary lapse in judgment, I assure you it will never happen again sir!
My friends the Dominicans, I surely do not envy you.
Dominicans against privatization of Dominican beaches…
Demand your beaches back….. Tell your family, tell your friends to boycott Dominican tourism and demand your beaches back…
Fight against government corruption in the Dominican Republic……
Today is the Beaches; tomorrow it is the whole country.
Repost on your facebook, Myspace, etc…..
Fight against government corruption in the Dominican Republic……
Today is the Beaches; tomorrow it is the whole country.
tomorrow?
Everything You own will be under foreign control : your fresh water, your resort baeaches, your natural resources, your electricity, your gas, your communication system, and everything else that generate money.
You have been sold and left in the cold people, and your socio economic and political elite has already pocket the cash. They have managed to sway your attention away by giving you the Haitians to hate as a distraction, and now you are not better well off than us in your own country. In fact, when you take a good look at it, you realize that when law become a reality, the Dominican citizen is a landlock individual living on an island. How do you like it now?
That's what must happen when people believe in the white man. The Dominicans have done everything they can in order to present their country as a white or mixed world with almost no negro population in it. Well, let them go tell the World Financiers that they can't be treated like a vulgar bunch of aborigens by locking them out of their island resources.
I am pretty sure that those : "Private Roads! Residents and Guests only! No Beach Access!" signs will be enforced differently depending on the skin color of the trespassers. Maybe it's a sure way to park the Negro population in the Eastern side of the island.
Welcome to Apartheid revisited Dominican style my friend.
It is a pitty tha the CHE is dead.
you are totally wrong also when you say all those signs saying Private Road Residents and Guests only are aimed against a black population, nearly everyone here has a little bit of black in their genes and for most people it is a most healthy and beautiful colour and positively persuades many a judge in beauty contests .
Finally there most certainly is no apartheid in the DR ,,so please do not try to stir anything up from nothing .
Nearly every country has to get used to these horrible multinationals , I was reading where Canada and Australia are on the top of the list of foreign ownership but they seem to be doing ok ..just make them pay all their taxes in the countries where they do business
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/pollyanna
My friend Ricardolito,
The World Bank and the IMF are built by member countries which contribute for a certain percentage of their capital. When they lend us money, we become deptors of those countries. The World Bank, The IMF are all name behind which Powerful countries like the United States, Great Britiain, Belgium, France, Japan have hid themselves in order to rob the third world.
Therefore, when we can't pay, they buy us at discount price. Now, their Corporations own every major business in your country, and Sooner it will be littered with private properties with that kind of sign : "Private Lake Enriquillo, no fishing, no bathing, Keep out!"
Thank you for your humanitarian effort trying to enlighten Ricky Pollyanna, but unfortunately, pardon the pun, Brother Ricky has his head buried in the sand.
Now what we can't figure out is it of his volition or is getting some type of remuneration for his act from the powers that be!