Kingston.– Jamaica´s Sandals Resorts International was again voted the best Caribbean vacation destination, for the 10th consecutive
year, by
Canadian travel agents in the Baxter Travel Media Agents Choice Awards
for 2009.
The resort chain topped several of its local and
international competitors to take the prestigious title for the 10th
year as the Favourite All-Inclusive Resort, Favourite Hotel Chain for
the third consecutive year, and Favourite Environmentally Friendly
Company for the second year in a row.
Jamaica, meanwhile, beat several other countries,
including Mexico, Hawaii, Cuba, the Dominican Republic, and Canada to
take leading honeymoon destination title, while the Jamaica Tourist
Board (JTB) topped 50 other tourist boards in the 'Best Tourist Board'
category.
The awards were presented last Saturday at Sandals Grande
Ocho Rios during a gala dinner which was attended by close to 100
Canadian travel agents as well as representatives from the JTB.
Jamaican Tourism Minister Edmund Bartlett, in delivering the
keynote address, said Canada continues to be one of the leading markets
for the island with growth of approximately 30 per cent at the end of
August.
"The Canadian trade partners and destination Jamaica is a
great thing and we are going to continue to nurture and nourish that
because we have some objectives, and our main objective is to become
the number one destination for the Canadian market," Bartlett said,
adding that Jamaica is currently ranked third behind Cuba and Dominica
Republic.
From: Dominican Republic, No Spin Zone
well they cannot compete with the DR for phony wedding licenses
From: Canada, Montreal
Will be hard to beat Cuba here in Canada
From: Dominican Republic, No Spin Zone
being awarded anything by Canadian travel writers is second rate at best as Canadians are notorious cheapies and flock to all inclusives for eat and drink till you puke specials .....we are not talking Golf vacations here but mass market tour groups .....Cuba really gets the bottom of the barrel in this group ....but all these people want is to get warm with a cold beer ....remember winter is 9 months long for these ice farmers from Saskatoon and Poutinville and they need time to recover from Ice Scraper elbow .....Go Leafs
From: United States
The Dominican Republic needs to let the word see the rich tapestry of infuences: African, European, Indian that make the country so beautiful.
Tourism is not about beaches, coconut trees , it is about culture, it is about people.
Written by: vacanos, 7 Nov 2009 10:39 AM
From: United States, An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.
hahahahahaha why is that the Canadian get that reconition whetever they go for being cheaper? When I go to all-inclusive and interact with the worker they tell me the same thing that they prefer American. The thing is that the American prefer Bahamas, Aruba, ect But with thi economy more American coming over to DR more than ever and watching that they were getting rip off in those very expensive island when they get the same thing in DR and better beach.
From: United States
blutarsky, keep your emotions in check.
I know the Dominican Republic and I know what the country has to offer.
Pst ! listen up and make correction.
People are curious,adventurous and want to see more than what Florida can offer .I know that DR can offer more than Florida !
From: Dominican Republic, No Spin Zone
ettienne your tourism maybe ....but these guys just want to get warm and get drunk everyday all day under a palm tree ......they only have two seasons .....Winter and getting ready for winter
From: Dominican Republic, No Spin Zone
etteinne are you hitting a bong ? except for mountains what do we have that florida does not .....plus many many many more things ......etienne the city of Orlando has more hotel rooms than the whole Carribbean combined times two
Written by: vacanos, 7 Nov 2009 11:04 AM
From: United States, An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.
blu very impresive I didn't know that times two? wow
From: Dominican Republic, No Spin Zone
with our bio diversity we really can along with Costa Rica who are making big strides develop Eco Tourism .....be careful of greedy tour guides like the ones in the Colonial city...they will be the kiss of death
Written by: Grosero, 7 Nov 2009 11:49 AM
From: United States
Canadians are notorious cheapskates and flock to all inclusive s for eat and drink till you puke specials....
Oh how right ya are!!!!!
From: United States, Fresh Water Paradise-NY Finger Lakes
The primary reasons why North American tourists visit the Caribbean are:
1) Beaches
2) Rum & music
3) Food
Culturally, they consider us inferior and don't really bother to explore that aspect much. Jamaica and Bermuda, being part of the British Commonwealth, enjoy much greater respect and have more in common with English-speaking countries, and maybe an unfair advantage. These results don't surprise me at all.
BTW, I am not so sure that Jamaica and Bermuda have electricity shortages, motoconchos, ubiquitous armed police, roads chock full of potholes, general lawlessness and rampant corruption. They also enjoy better education. Perhaps that's why they enjoy greater success. How can they do it??????
From: United States
glomarexplorer.no one can consider or make you feel inferior without your expressed conscent.
Remebre it is the content of your character not the color of your skin !
blutarsky, I woulkd like to pose the same question to christopher columbus:what Hispanola has and Florida does not have?
Got my drift ?
From: Dominican Republic, No Spin Zone
comparing Jamaica and Bermuda is comparing apples to Volkswagens .....bermuda is very civilized with a low crime rate and a high standard of living Jamaica is the opposite and everyone is stoned on pot as well and armed and dangerous
Written by: juanb, 7 Nov 2009 4:51 PM
From: Dominican Republic
When Cuba is opened to US tourists will the last one to leave the airport please shut off the lights. Oh yeah, that's right, they were already blacked out.
From: Botswana, La reconnaissance est une lachete'
GLomarexplorer
you are right on point
if you been to both countries you will see the difference. Beside thanks to Mr Robert Nestor Marley the Jamaican experience resonate more to the world,than what DR have to offer in term of culture.
Jamaica is my second Home ,but I love DR, the problem is when Im in DR,specially Santo Domingo I feel like Im in Miami. Most tourist do not want what their are trying to escape from while in Vacation. Romance is not what come to mind when people think of DR. On the int'l scene your reputation is for partying. Beside you guys are the Johnny come lately to this tourism thing. Jamaica reputation for being a romantic destination was set sense the late 60's. They have Ian Fleming to thank for that, who can forget Dr No.
From: Dominican Republic, No Spin Zone
Hey zircon head I hope you are well armed when you go to Jamaica to smoke dope ....It has one of the highest murder rates in the world ....and Sandals and that all inclusive jive has nothing to do with half moon and Rose hall type tourism of the ian fleming era......The DR has a much brighter future....Jamaica like the Reggae is tired .....70 % of reggae they sell every year is still Bob Marley and that says volumes about the state of that art form or culture and if you call a bunch of rastas smokin a spliff culture well to each his own
From: Dominican Republic, No Spin Zone
being awarded anything by Canadian travel writers is second rate at best as Canadians are notorious cheapies and flock to all inclusives for eat and drink till you puke specials .....we are not talking Golf vacations here but mass market tour groups .....Cuba really gets the bottom of the barrel in this group ....but all these people want is to get warm with a cold beer ....remember winter is 9 months long for these ice farmers from Saskatoon and Poutinville and they need time to recover from Ice Scraper elbow .....Go Leafs
From: Botswana, La reconnaissance est une lachete'
MR Blu
I have never been to an all inclusive, except Hedo once,you should try the experience my taste is more for strabery hill,The Rock House, do not like Half moon too big,but occasionally you can find me
At Round Hill,and MeaCabesa.
The crime issue in Yard is contain to the Garrisons=bario.
From a marketing point of view look at the tourism commercial for Jamaica, it all about the nature,the people,and the culture. You can learn a thing or 2 from that.
From: Botswana, La reconnaissance est une lachete'
Yes I forgot Mr Blu this is the dunce forum,so you can never undestand the appeal of Mr Marley to the world,and why the human story of the music have such an appeal to the rest of the world.
From: Botswana, La reconnaissance est une lachete'
MR Blutarsky
you are absolutely right DR have a better future in so many ways let see. Your contrymen are the largest minority group in the NYC jail system, your country is quickly becoming the largest drug transhipment point in the area. You president brags about creating a little NYC in DR spending millions in an infrastructure project that your tax base cannot support while your government can't pay the bill to keep the lights on. You have a thriving sex trade, and your brethens and sisthrens are quickly become sharkfeed in the Mona Passage. Let's not talk about the corruption and nepotism.You are right Sir who can argued with that.
Written by: josean, 8 Nov 2009 2:16 AM
From: United States
Imagine when they build the “Ganja Express” to compete with “Chicharrón Express!”
From: Dominican Republic, No Spin Zone
Zircon you probably stay at a guest house in Kingston and eat fungi and welks and smoke dope all day with a bunch of simpleton Rastafari dont you be putting on airs Mon
Written by: vacanos, 8 Nov 2009 11:11 AM
From: United States, An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.
PAT-DEMON
You are really one big afro-hater in the site. Dominican biggest minority in the NYC jail system did you tried the African American first yet? Unbelievable. If you been to NYC you will notice that Dominican control most of the business starting with supermarket, restaurant, auto dealer and auto shop and basically control most small business in the entire big apple. Since you are into comparing and knocking our people. Let's see I can count with my own hand finger African American owned business in the big apple yet they are more African American than Dominican in NYC. Any idea what is that possible? Try next time that we are a hard working people. Next time you put finger you look in the mirror first amigo.
Written by: vacanos, 8 Nov 2009 11:14 AM
From: United States, An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.
cont-
Now to the island you are comparing to our. Did you know with all our corruption and nepotism DR has the biggest economy in the Caribbean and Central America? You are talking about drugs when compare to Jamaica. Did you know drugs is basically legal and in Jamaica and they have one of the biggest crimes rate in the world.
The calamity we are going thru yet you felt short of mentioning the 3 million illegal neighbors to the west we feed and gives free healthcare. Yet you rambling about our goverment using the money to built the METRO guess what I can’t wait for the METRO to reach my beloved Santiago.
From: Dominican Republic
Ok...Blurt and the high rolling gang....don't want canadians???? No problem...watch this country tumble...not to worry...Americans will come to the rescue with thier massive debt loads and worldly attitude.
Please...Canadians...according to a few here...we are not welcome. Please go elsewhere. This is a country that would prefer others. Cuba rivals this country is beauty and resorts, the people friendly and accomodating
Take the largest and most stable provider to this country away...and see what happens.
Not to worry Blurt has the solution...just ask him!
BTW....why arn't the rich Americans flocking to Aruba, Bahamas, St Kitts...etc? Their numbers are way down! But they still went somewhere...wonder where?
As for eating habits....Americans....largest population of obistity in the world...highest concentration of junk food outlets....superstores full of supersize. And you would comment on the eating habits of Canadians?
From: Botswana, La reconnaissance est une lachete'
Mr vacanos
FYI Sir I m an NYU graduate, last I check Washington heights
aka Uptown is not the entire NYC. Furthermore a bordega is not a supermarket. Bying shit at Jetro to resale in the hood does not make you a power player in the produce business. I don't recall any Dominican having large stake in Parthmark supermarket
yes you do have a great entreprenuerial spirit, but running the block is not a legitimate enterprise outside of DR
ka
From: Botswana, La reconnaissance est une lachete'
As Jesus said when he walk into the temple "Give to Ceasar what is his". Nobody ever deny DR it's merrits, but some of you need to get over your self about your superiority issues. Last I recall calling a Porto Rican a Dominican by mistake in New York was fighting words.
From: Dominican Republic, No Spin Zone
Mikey I know Cubas political philosophy is similar to Canada's but culturally they are unarmed Americans with a health plan and unless you are from Poutinville there is nothing unique about them except being cheap Eh and if you are from Poutinville ....well the only thing worse than a Frenchman is a Frenchman from Canada
From: Dominican Republic
Blut...you miss the reality of travel. Wealthy people rarely visit the country for what it is...they visit a compound in the sun. They have to be the most insecure and ill-informed people I have met along the way. The future may be for a few, within the walls and guarded acreage of the mega projects, but as you can see...even before the economic meltdown..these projects were in serious shape...a load of talk...not much to back up the talk.
The mainstream tourist is the life-blood of most destinations. The big guys leave next to nothing behind...forge no friendships....and only look at opportunities to diversify and "hide" the taxes you as an American should care about.
As a worldly man as you are, having lived all over the world, according to your multitude of screen names, you will understand the demographics of Canada, as well as the climate and I can only take your comments in regards to the country as tongue in cheek...con't
From: Dominican Republic, No Spin Zone
mikey they have a purpose and a time frame ....if they leave the resort they will overpay some cabby to take them to the best restaurant in the area ....they will not be going to the local colmado to drink Grandes with the locals to save a few pesos ....they will pay top price for hopefully good food and if they are American will probably tip well ...the next day they will employ someone to caddy for them and probably tip them well ....they may rent a boat and go fishing or they may go scuba diving ....They will not be waiting for them to ring the bell at the piggy trough buffets at the all inclusive oinker resorts although some will stay at all inclusive hotels A la Carte is always preferred to the Soui Soui Pig Pig buffets
Written by: vacanos, 9 Nov 2009 11:52 AM
From: United States, An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.
PAT-DEMON "FYI Sir I m an NYU graduate, last I check Washington heights
aka Uptown is not the entire NYC. "
Most ignorant statement since the days I schooled my former pet. Let me tell you MR NYU graduate hahahahaha why is it that all the insecurity people always bring their "achievement" like it will help promote their agenda.
My ignorant demonio from "NYU" try coming out of the project sometime you will notice beside pathmart there is Associated, Pioneer, Key Food, C-town which are spread around the big apple and their owner are for the most part Dominican desendant.
From: Dominican Republic, No Spin Zone
there is very little chance that zircon head ever went to any classes let alone graduated from NYU .....unless it was an Ebonics class he was teaching at night
From: United States, new jersey
I would love to go jamaica and dominican republic. I would love to use a vacation and get the hell out of the united states. buffet and cocktails sound good to me
From: Dominican Republic, No Spin Zone
you will be begging to come in February when the freezing rain comes and it is dark all day
Written by: vacanos, 9 Nov 2009 1:05 PM
From: United States, An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.
blu "there is very little chance that zircon head ever went to any classes let alone graduated from NYU .....unless it was an Ebonics class he was teaching at night "
hahahahahahaha
From: Botswana, La reconnaissance est une lachete'
Mr vacanos
FYI my family lived in Dixe Hills Long Island,lived my professional life in Alpine NJ not ecxatly the project last I check. Yes I admit I used to go sluming on Sundays had a thing for Dominican chicas back then so I used to have to find my way to Jimmys Cafe in the Bronx.
Dude stop trying to claim what is not yours, yes Associate is mainly Dominican own.
But like I said before buying shit At Jetro in BK to go resale in the hood does not make you a power broker in the produce business.
Written by: vacanos, 9 Nov 2009 4:13 PM
From: United States, An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last.
PAT-DEMON
Like blu said I doubt you ever saw how a college look like from inside :) Also try Pioneer, C-town, Key food supermarket. We are a force in NYC wheather you know it or not. :)
Written by: HiHater, 9 Nov 2009 6:23 PM
From: United States, Brooklyn, NY
Diamond,
money is money. If you buy from jetro and resell who cares, your still making 20-40% profit and on water which blanquitos love to buy 500% profit.
Plus I live in a up and coming neighborhood in Brooklyn, what ever that means, actually it means that white people are moving in. All they do is raise rent/property tax/ prices. I prefer my Bravo, C-towns, bodegas, Associated, Compare. At least they carry the food that the majority demographic likes.
Also in NYC supermarkets aren't the cash cows that they are in the suburbs, bodega make a nice profit in the city.
From: Botswana, La reconnaissance est une lachete'
Vac
I'm sorry for ruining your delusional meditation moment on DT. Sure you are a force to be reckon with in NYC, NYPD know that too well.
I keep telling you running the block is not a legitimate enterprise outside of DR.
You claim I did not know NYC, when I told you Im an NYU graduate,you told me Im showing off. When I tried to explain to you owning a few bordegas in the heights does not make you a powerhouse in NYC, you claim Im ignorant. Do you lack reading comprehension Sir.
Written by: HiHater, 9 Nov 2009 6:31 PM
From: United States, Brooklyn, NY
Also dominicans own many businesses outside of Manhattan such as Corona, Ridgewood, Sunset Park, Bushwick, and Jackson Heights. Also in these neighborhoods we are not the majority, yet we own the majority of bodegas, barber shops, car dealers, MoneyGrams, Bakery, etc etc. Also our cabby presence is strong in all 5 boroughs. Yeah we work hard. We also have two US mayors, 1 NY supreme court justice, dean of the school of engineering at columbia, the best baseball players (with and without steroids), 4 NYC mayoral candidates (although minor), etc etc.
The diaspora is doing its job, punto y final.
Now we gotta go back. I can't wait, I got 30-40 years till I retire back to DR. And i am telling as many young dominican professionals that I know to do the same.
Written by: HiHater, 9 Nov 2009 6:34 PM
From: United States, Brooklyn, NY
I will concede though that dominicans in NYC cannot compare to cubans in Miami. In miami the cubans have a political power house!
We should do the same up here, because we have a large middle class of entrepreneurs, have a large total population and are becoming ever more socioeconomically mobile.
From: Botswana, La reconnaissance est une lachete'
Hihater
welcome to the Forum I like you already,very honest and real about the issues at hand. But be carefull there is a noxious gas being inhale on DT's, it's called delusion.
Written by: HiHater, 9 Nov 2009 6:42 PM
From: United States, Brooklyn, NY
There is nothing delusional about what I just wrote it's the truth.
Also Washington Heights has changed a lot. Much better now than even 3 years ago.
Dominican Republic too is progressing although we need to do a better job of prioritizing.
None the less our patrias ills are nothing new, corruption and nepotism are the name of the game when it comes to politics it happens all over the world, yet we do need to do a better job or curtailing it and punishing those who perpetrate it.
Dios Patria Libertad
Now Mr Diamond what country are you from???
That is a high chair on which you sit.
Written by: dagtan, 9 Nov 2009 8:20 PM
From: United States
Glomar you wrote:
"Culturally, they consider us inferior and don't really bother to explore that aspect much. Jamaica and Bermuda, being part of the British Commonwealth, enjoy much greater respect and have more in common with English-speaking countries, and maybe an unfair advantage. These results don't surprise me at all".
This is very interesting since I just got the latest TRAVELER MAGAZINE in the mail with the best ranked hotels and resorts and the DR tied the Egyptian northen red sea as #41 on the WORST RATED side. This is the reasons they state caused them to vote DR so low:
"A land of all-inclusive resorts where various visitors hardly glimpse the real life of the place. 'The quantity of tourism arriving is a very big problem,' one consequence: 'Locals are marginalized and desperate, and the experience is exploitive." Traveler Mag NOV/DEC 2009
So you are right and the problem goes deeper than your point points out. the most scary part of this all is that tourist,
Written by: dagtan, 9 Nov 2009 8:26 PM
From: United States
are actually noticing.
I have to agree with the comments, when I go to DR and was there this past summer at a family resort in POP, I really hate those high walls, these place look like freaking citadels. Not only that, but you must go through a few check points in order to reach you destination. If this bothers me and I am Dominican, imagine what impression it will leave to those who are foreigners.
As far as the educational piece. Glomar, we are being over invested at least 3x per pupil by Cuba, a country that is under intense pressure form the EMBARGO. As i said before, in the Caribbean, we only spend more money than Haiti when it come to education. This is clearly shown when you have migrant school age kids coming from the caribbean islands, Dominicans often fare much worse due to their low academic preparation. There are some communities, that even Haitians are out doing Dominican kids. This is clear among the catholic schools serving minorities communities.
From: Botswana, La reconnaissance est une lachete'
Hihater
I was not refering to your post,I recomended you on your honesty,and modesty which is a rare trait on DT.
I'm from next door,just happen to have logged year to date 200k on my AA frequent flyer card
. Bless enough to have experienced living in many places. As a
result my views are a lot broader than most which does not seat well with most on this forum . Sense Im haitiano I'm not suppose to be educated, knowledgeble, articulate, but someone got to stand up for my people in this dialogue.
PS. nice to meet you
From: Botswana, La reconnaissance est une lachete'
MR Dagtan
Thank you Sir, your posting on this forum is always a breath of fresh air and reality. Very well appreciated. Thank you for being a breed a part from the usual suspects. Keep up the good work.
Written by: Pepe32, 9 Nov 2009 9:12 PM
From: Dominican Republic
"I was not refering to your post,I recomended you on your honesty,and modesty which is a rare trait on DT.
I'm from next door,just happen to have logged year to date 200k on my American frequent flyer miles. And bless enough to have experience living in many places. So as a result my views are a lot broder than must. That does not seat well with most on this forum sense Im haitiano I'm not suppose to be educated, knowledgeble, articulate, but someone got to stand up for my people in this dialogue."
Either NYU has really relaxed their requirements or this guy is referring to the Bronx Communist College because his English is only slightly better than a ninth grader!
Maybe he means he does the cleaning at NYU...LOL!
Written by: Pepe32, 9 Nov 2009 9:14 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Y como siempre el lamecu_os de los Haitianos metiendo su nariz a lo mas profundo de los orificios de estos...parece que le encanta cagarse la nariz !
Written by: HiHater, 9 Nov 2009 10:14 PM
From: United States, Brooklyn, NY
Pat,
Sorry for the mix up. Also you should not feel as you do because dominicans as my self see those that have racist views as ignorant retards.
The haitian problem is not one of color it is one of money/necessity/survival. The DR is third world country!!!! As such there is much disparity. And many violent actions that you see perpetrated against poor haitians are also done to poor dominicans. Land and cattle owners kill poor people which are squatting on their lands for the former and stealing their cattle for the latter.
Now for those dominicans that you say believe that you are inferior because of your color, imagine what that dominican feels when he looks himself in the mirror. Last time I checked we are mostly mulatto. What ever hate that ignorant soul has for you, its probably less than what they have for themselves.
I am dominican, and that does not imply a race it means a culture which is composed of several.
!Que viva Quisqueya!
From: Botswana, La reconnaissance est une lachete'
Pepe32
Good call on the spelling errors, Im away from my PC using my mobile,
very small screen my friend.
From: United States, Fresh Water Paradise-NY Finger Lakes
Dag,
Thanks for reinforcing commentary above.
From: United States, Fresh Water Paradise-NY Finger Lakes
Hater,
You stated: "Now for those dominicans that you say believe that you are inferior because of your color, imagine what that dominican feels when he looks himself in the mirror. Last time I checked we are mostly mulatto. What ever hate that ignorant soul has for you, its probably less than what they have for themselves."
This must be reason why Sammy Sosa is changing his skin color!
Written by: Pepe32, 9 Nov 2009 11:45 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Good call on the spelling errors, Im away from my PC using my mobile,
It's not the spelling errors ,it is the syntax and structure Mr. NYU ..
From: Dominican Republic, No Spin Zone
pepe what it be bro he talkin ebonics Mr NYU
From: Dominican Republic, No Spin Zone
SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico -- Jamaica is resisting a U.S. request to hand over a suspected crime boss with ties to the Caribbean nation's governing party amid reports he is stockpiling weapons in his Kingston stronghold to prevent arrest.
The island's government, which received the extradition request for Christopher "Dudus" Coke in August, has so far only responded with requests for more information about the gun and drug trafficking charges against the reputed gang leader.
Coke, identified by the U.S. Justice Department as one of the world's most dangerous drug kingpins, allegedly controls a band of gunmen inside Tivoli Gardens, a barricaded neighborhood of Kingston, the capital of Jamaica and a city with one of the highest homicide rates in the Western Hemisphere.
U.S. authorities are voicing frustration that Jamaica is not moving more quickly to honor a mutual extradition treaty.
From: Dominican Republic, No Spin Zone
SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico -- Jamaica is resisting a U.S. request to hand over a suspected crime boss with ties to the Caribbean nation's governing party amid reports he is stockpiling weapons in his Kingston stronghold to prevent arrest.
The island's government, which received the extradition request for Christopher "Dudus" Coke in August, has so far only responded with requests for more information about the gun and drug trafficking charges against the reputed gang leader.
Coke, identified by the U.S. Justice Department as one of the world's most dangerous drug kingpins, allegedly controls a band of gunmen inside Tivoli Gardens, a barricaded neighborhood of Kingston, the capital of Jamaica and a city with one of the highest homicide rates in the Western Hemisphere.
U.S. authorities are voicing frustration that Jamaica is not moving more quickly to honor a mutual extradition treaty.
From: United States
this usual piece of rubbish from Blutarsky, who has never made an intelligent remark in his life of posting here
bermuda is very civilized with a low crime rate and a high standard of living Jamaica is the opposite and everyone is stoned on pot as well and armed and dangerous
it springs, of couse, from the fact that Jamaicans would not tolerate his condescending , racist behaviour, and ran him out on a rail. as to Vacanos....drugs are basically legal, he offers. another insight from the colossus of ignorance. ALL hallucenogenic drugs are illegal in Jamaica. it is no different than places like the United Kingdom. the police will not arrest you for a few spliffs for recreational use, but, try carrying a kilo or two on the passenger seat. you will end up in the court system. and, unlike the DR, it is a real legal system. you do not escape your date in court by seeking out a buscone to pay off a few colonels and fiscales. it is not like here , where you can shoot
From: United States
a guy dead at his dining table, in front of his family, pay a few thousand pesos to the right people, and walk free in a few days. besides, the violence has nothing to do with the legality, or illigality, of drugs. drugs are legal in parts of the Netherlands, and they do not have a violence problem. they are, conversely, illegal in Mexico, and look at the result. as for all the other horsecrap about Dominicans owning all the this and that..keep dreaming on. i am still looking for the article that shows Indians to be the highest paid immigrant group, per capita, followed by Jamaicans. Colombians are the lowest paid, followed by Dominicans. be very careful when you start disparaging other people of other countries. Jamaica is a very violent , anarchic society, by all standards. but it comes in ahead of the DR in just about any survey done by any international organisation, in categories such as health care, education, competitiveness, child mortality, income distribution, and outright
From: United States
poverty. last i checked, no Jamaican has risked his life in the Mona Passage, or any other passage, for that matter.
From: Dominican Republic, No Spin Zone
thank you for those insights into this tropical paradise
From: United States
nobody says that it is paradise. many people have fled to other countries, not to escape poverty, but to escape roving bands of idiots with the obligatory Bushmaster. but, the violence just got to Jamaica before it got here, just like every thing else. so, now that the State Department has deported 40,000 dominican criminals in the last 3 years, maybe things will get ugly here too, given the obscene poverty in evidence here.
From: Dominican Republic, No Spin Zone
Canada would love to get rid of about 40 thousand Jamaicans living at Jane and Finch in Toronto with their weapons also
From: United States
i have no idea why they would go to such a place, in the first place. with some of the insights i read on this forum from Canadians, i have no idea why a black man would persevere in such an environment.
Written by: josean, 15 Nov 2009 1:31 PM
From: United States
dread,
Good to hear from you my brother!
From: Dominican Republic, No Spin Zone
you mean a place where people have to work for a living or because of people like your bro Condo Willi ?
From: Dominican Republic
I find it funny when Dominicans call the racism card....i guess they would know since they love to practice in reference to the Haitians, and any other blacks even their own: Not being able to gain access to clubs, being followed around stores like a thief, being told you have bad hair when you go to the salon. Then we can talk about the not having electricity, or water, getting sick from the horrible buffets in the resorts, can't say i've ever had to worry about getting amoeba's and parasites in Ja, and the non existent customer service and it's no wonder Jamaica does do better as a honeymoon destination.
and culture??? oh you mean "we're only black behind our ears".... or "i'm not black i'm Indian/Taino"...sure...culture....
Jamaica has it's problems, no dispute there...but you're not any safer in the DR, and compare a basic resort in Ja and a basic resort in the DR...Ja wins hands down...
But yes the whole Caribbean will feel it once Cuba opens up...it will be good for Cuba thoug
Written by: dagtan, 16 Nov 2009 1:20 PM
From: United States
VisitorinDR, good point on the parasites and amoeba in DR's resorts. I can talk about this on a personal note, since my older brother had to rush back to the NYC last year after contracting a parasite in one of POP resorts. He was under treatment for six months here in NYC, the doctor told him that it was one of the worst kinds a human can get. I visited DR this past summer and stayed with my family at the holiday village in POP and it was horrible. They got me with their pools and games for children and my daughter simply fell in love with kiddy pools she saw online, so on we went.
As far as the race issue, we have been struggling with this issue since the haitians were kicked out of the eastern territories. There is a huge fear in the DR when it comes to talk about our African influences and Taino to a limit.
As for Cuba, all I can say is, that if I am to take a vacation and Cuba is open for travel, i will not hesitate to take that trip. Everyone wants to see it.
Written by: Pepe32, 16 Nov 2009 1:24 PM
From: Dominican Republic
15 November 2009, 11:07 PM "new" users come in with a strange familiarity to DT....
Parece que los piti-lambones se están clonando porque no tienen quorum en el foro...
From: Dominican Republic, No Spin Zone
Comrade Dag you will fit right in on the tropical gulag of Cuba
From: United States
VisitorinDR, i am tired of repeating the same old thing about DR tourism. it has all the potential in the world, but only Blutarsky thinks it is better than places such as Antigua and Jamaica, and, as we all know, he has an axe to grind against the British Caribbean people, who refuse to view him as the return of the Messiah.
From: Dominican Republic, No Spin Zone
Antigua is a dung heap unless you live at Jumby Bay
From: United States
every island in the caribbean is a dung heap unless you live in certain places. if you live in Petionville, Haiti is paradise. if you live in Arroyo Hondo, or Gazcue, the DR is Nirvana. otherwise, they are all dung hills. get it, Blutarsky?
From: Dominican Republic, No Spin Zone
Dread at least here you have the wonderful Spanish Heritage that unites all .....there you are one step away from going in the pot
From: United States
what does this mean in English?
Dread at least here you have the wonderful Spanish Heritage that unites all .....there you are one step away from going in the pot
what wonderful Spanish Heritage? give us some artifacts of this magnificence of which you speak. do you mean like incurable racism, abhorrent inequality of opportunity and wealth, and general discrimination against all manner of folks?
From: Dominican Republic, No Spin Zone
many things dread the Roman Catholic church and close familial ties that bind....the Mother Tongue shared by all the countries of Latin America ....acceptance of all colors of people without to much overt racism ....unlike the sandbars of BWI where to be from away is like.... " You white muthuscunt honky cracker we ban here" ....but what can be expected from such inbred places where marrying your cousin is a tradition and Fathers Day is massive confusion .....Yes the future belongs to the Spanish Antilles that is why we are here correct
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Tourism is not about beaches, coconut trees , it is about culture, it is about people.
I know the Dominican Republic and I know what the country has to offer.
Pst ! listen up and make correction.
People are curious,adventurous and want to see more than what Florida can offer .I know that DR can offer more than Florida !
Oh how right ya are!!!!!
The primary reasons why North American tourists visit the Caribbean are:
1) Beaches
2) Rum & music
3) Food
Culturally, they consider us inferior and don't really bother to explore that aspect much. Jamaica and Bermuda, being part of the British Commonwealth, enjoy much greater respect and have more in common with English-speaking countries, and maybe an unfair advantage. These results don't surprise me at all.
BTW, I am not so sure that Jamaica and Bermuda have electricity shortages, motoconchos, ubiquitous armed police, roads chock full of potholes, general lawlessness and rampant corruption. They also enjoy better education. Perhaps that's why they enjoy greater success. How can they do it??????
Remebre it is the content of your character not the color of your skin !
blutarsky, I woulkd like to pose the same question to christopher columbus:what Hispanola has and Florida does not have?
Got my drift ?
you are right on point
if you been to both countries you will see the difference. Beside thanks to Mr Robert Nestor Marley the Jamaican experience resonate more to the world,than what DR have to offer in term of culture.
Jamaica is my second Home ,but I love DR, the problem is when Im in DR,specially Santo Domingo I feel like Im in Miami. Most tourist do not want what their are trying to escape from while in Vacation. Romance is not what come to mind when people think of DR. On the int'l scene your reputation is for partying. Beside you guys are the Johnny come lately to this tourism thing. Jamaica reputation for being a romantic destination was set sense the late 60's. They have Ian Fleming to thank for that, who can forget Dr No.
I have never been to an all inclusive, except Hedo once,you should try the experience my taste is more for strabery hill,The Rock House, do not like Half moon too big,but occasionally you can find me
At Round Hill,and MeaCabesa.
The crime issue in Yard is contain to the Garrisons=bario.
From a marketing point of view look at the tourism commercial for Jamaica, it all about the nature,the people,and the culture. You can learn a thing or 2 from that.
you are absolutely right DR have a better future in so many ways let see. Your contrymen are the largest minority group in the NYC jail system, your country is quickly becoming the largest drug transhipment point in the area. You president brags about creating a little NYC in DR spending millions in an infrastructure project that your tax base cannot support while your government can't pay the bill to keep the lights on. You have a thriving sex trade, and your brethens and sisthrens are quickly become sharkfeed in the Mona Passage. Let's not talk about the corruption and nepotism.You are right Sir who can argued with that.
You are really one big afro-hater in the site. Dominican biggest minority in the NYC jail system did you tried the African American first yet? Unbelievable. If you been to NYC you will notice that Dominican control most of the business starting with supermarket, restaurant, auto dealer and auto shop and basically control most small business in the entire big apple. Since you are into comparing and knocking our people. Let's see I can count with my own hand finger African American owned business in the big apple yet they are more African American than Dominican in NYC. Any idea what is that possible? Try next time that we are a hard working people. Next time you put finger you look in the mirror first amigo.
Now to the island you are comparing to our. Did you know with all our corruption and nepotism DR has the biggest economy in the Caribbean and Central America? You are talking about drugs when compare to Jamaica. Did you know drugs is basically legal and in Jamaica and they have one of the biggest crimes rate in the world.
The calamity we are going thru yet you felt short of mentioning the 3 million illegal neighbors to the west we feed and gives free healthcare. Yet you rambling about our goverment using the money to built the METRO guess what I can’t wait for the METRO to reach my beloved Santiago.
Please...Canadians...according to a few here...we are not welcome. Please go elsewhere. This is a country that would prefer others. Cuba rivals this country is beauty and resorts, the people friendly and accomodating
Take the largest and most stable provider to this country away...and see what happens.
Not to worry Blurt has the solution...just ask him!
BTW....why arn't the rich Americans flocking to Aruba, Bahamas, St Kitts...etc? Their numbers are way down! But they still went somewhere...wonder where?
As for eating habits....Americans....largest population of obistity in the world...highest concentration of junk food outlets....superstores full of supersize. And you would comment on the eating habits of Canadians?
FYI Sir I m an NYU graduate, last I check Washington heights
aka Uptown is not the entire NYC. Furthermore a bordega is not a supermarket. Bying shit at Jetro to resale in the hood does not make you a power player in the produce business. I don't recall any Dominican having large stake in Parthmark supermarket
yes you do have a great entreprenuerial spirit, but running the block is not a legitimate enterprise outside of DR
ka
The mainstream tourist is the life-blood of most destinations. The big guys leave next to nothing behind...forge no friendships....and only look at opportunities to diversify and "hide" the taxes you as an American should care about.
As a worldly man as you are, having lived all over the world, according to your multitude of screen names, you will understand the demographics of Canada, as well as the climate and I can only take your comments in regards to the country as tongue in cheek...con't
aka Uptown is not the entire NYC. "
Most ignorant statement since the days I schooled my former pet. Let me tell you MR NYU graduate hahahahaha why is it that all the insecurity people always bring their "achievement" like it will help promote their agenda.
My ignorant demonio from "NYU" try coming out of the project sometime you will notice beside pathmart there is Associated, Pioneer, Key Food, C-town which are spread around the big apple and their owner are for the most part Dominican desendant.
hahahahahahaha
FYI my family lived in Dixe Hills Long Island,lived my professional life in Alpine NJ not ecxatly the project last I check. Yes I admit I used to go sluming on Sundays had a thing for Dominican chicas back then so I used to have to find my way to Jimmys Cafe in the Bronx.
Dude stop trying to claim what is not yours, yes Associate is mainly Dominican own.
But like I said before buying shit At Jetro in BK to go resale in the hood does not make you a power broker in the produce business.
Like blu said I doubt you ever saw how a college look like from inside :) Also try Pioneer, C-town, Key food supermarket. We are a force in NYC wheather you know it or not. :)
money is money. If you buy from jetro and resell who cares, your still making 20-40% profit and on water which blanquitos love to buy 500% profit.
Plus I live in a up and coming neighborhood in Brooklyn, what ever that means, actually it means that white people are moving in. All they do is raise rent/property tax/ prices. I prefer my Bravo, C-towns, bodegas, Associated, Compare. At least they carry the food that the majority demographic likes.
Also in NYC supermarkets aren't the cash cows that they are in the suburbs, bodega make a nice profit in the city.
I'm sorry for ruining your delusional meditation moment on DT. Sure you are a force to be reckon with in NYC, NYPD know that too well.
I keep telling you running the block is not a legitimate enterprise outside of DR.
You claim I did not know NYC, when I told you Im an NYU graduate,you told me Im showing off. When I tried to explain to you owning a few bordegas in the heights does not make you a powerhouse in NYC, you claim Im ignorant. Do you lack reading comprehension Sir.
The diaspora is doing its job, punto y final.
Now we gotta go back. I can't wait, I got 30-40 years till I retire back to DR. And i am telling as many young dominican professionals that I know to do the same.
We should do the same up here, because we have a large middle class of entrepreneurs, have a large total population and are becoming ever more socioeconomically mobile.
welcome to the Forum I like you already,very honest and real about the issues at hand. But be carefull there is a noxious gas being inhale on DT's, it's called delusion.
Also Washington Heights has changed a lot. Much better now than even 3 years ago.
Dominican Republic too is progressing although we need to do a better job of prioritizing.
None the less our patrias ills are nothing new, corruption and nepotism are the name of the game when it comes to politics it happens all over the world, yet we do need to do a better job or curtailing it and punishing those who perpetrate it.
Dios Patria Libertad
Now Mr Diamond what country are you from???
That is a high chair on which you sit.
"Culturally, they consider us inferior and don't really bother to explore that aspect much. Jamaica and Bermuda, being part of the British Commonwealth, enjoy much greater respect and have more in common with English-speaking countries, and maybe an unfair advantage. These results don't surprise me at all".
This is very interesting since I just got the latest TRAVELER MAGAZINE in the mail with the best ranked hotels and resorts and the DR tied the Egyptian northen red sea as #41 on the WORST RATED side. This is the reasons they state caused them to vote DR so low:
"A land of all-inclusive resorts where various visitors hardly glimpse the real life of the place. 'The quantity of tourism arriving is a very big problem,' one consequence: 'Locals are marginalized and desperate, and the experience is exploitive." Traveler Mag NOV/DEC 2009
So you are right and the problem goes deeper than your point points out. the most scary part of this all is that tourist,
I have to agree with the comments, when I go to DR and was there this past summer at a family resort in POP, I really hate those high walls, these place look like freaking citadels. Not only that, but you must go through a few check points in order to reach you destination. If this bothers me and I am Dominican, imagine what impression it will leave to those who are foreigners.
As far as the educational piece. Glomar, we are being over invested at least 3x per pupil by Cuba, a country that is under intense pressure form the EMBARGO. As i said before, in the Caribbean, we only spend more money than Haiti when it come to education. This is clearly shown when you have migrant school age kids coming from the caribbean islands, Dominicans often fare much worse due to their low academic preparation. There are some communities, that even Haitians are out doing Dominican kids. This is clear among the catholic schools serving minorities communities.
I was not refering to your post,I recomended you on your honesty,and modesty which is a rare trait on DT.
I'm from next door,just happen to have logged year to date 200k on my AA frequent flyer card
. Bless enough to have experienced living in many places. As a
result my views are a lot broader than most which does not seat well with most on this forum . Sense Im haitiano I'm not suppose to be educated, knowledgeble, articulate, but someone got to stand up for my people in this dialogue.
PS. nice to meet you
Thank you Sir, your posting on this forum is always a breath of fresh air and reality. Very well appreciated. Thank you for being a breed a part from the usual suspects. Keep up the good work.
I'm from next door,just happen to have logged year to date 200k on my American frequent flyer miles. And bless enough to have experience living in many places. So as a result my views are a lot broder than must. That does not seat well with most on this forum sense Im haitiano I'm not suppose to be educated, knowledgeble, articulate, but someone got to stand up for my people in this dialogue."
Either NYU has really relaxed their requirements or this guy is referring to the Bronx Communist College because his English is only slightly better than a ninth grader!
Maybe he means he does the cleaning at NYU...LOL!
Sorry for the mix up. Also you should not feel as you do because dominicans as my self see those that have racist views as ignorant retards.
The haitian problem is not one of color it is one of money/necessity/survival. The DR is third world country!!!! As such there is much disparity. And many violent actions that you see perpetrated against poor haitians are also done to poor dominicans. Land and cattle owners kill poor people which are squatting on their lands for the former and stealing their cattle for the latter.
Now for those dominicans that you say believe that you are inferior because of your color, imagine what that dominican feels when he looks himself in the mirror. Last time I checked we are mostly mulatto. What ever hate that ignorant soul has for you, its probably less than what they have for themselves.
I am dominican, and that does not imply a race it means a culture which is composed of several.
!Que viva Quisqueya!
Good call on the spelling errors, Im away from my PC using my mobile,
very small screen my friend.
Thanks for reinforcing commentary above.
You stated: "Now for those dominicans that you say believe that you are inferior because of your color, imagine what that dominican feels when he looks himself in the mirror. Last time I checked we are mostly mulatto. What ever hate that ignorant soul has for you, its probably less than what they have for themselves."
This must be reason why Sammy Sosa is changing his skin color!
It's not the spelling errors ,it is the syntax and structure Mr. NYU ..
SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico -- Jamaica is resisting a U.S. request to hand over a suspected crime boss with ties to the Caribbean nation's governing party amid reports he is stockpiling weapons in his Kingston stronghold to prevent arrest.
The island's government, which received the extradition request for Christopher "Dudus" Coke in August, has so far only responded with requests for more information about the gun and drug trafficking charges against the reputed gang leader.
Coke, identified by the U.S. Justice Department as one of the world's most dangerous drug kingpins, allegedly controls a band of gunmen inside Tivoli Gardens, a barricaded neighborhood of Kingston, the capital of Jamaica and a city with one of the highest homicide rates in the Western Hemisphere.
U.S. authorities are voicing frustration that Jamaica is not moving more quickly to honor a mutual extradition treaty.
SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico -- Jamaica is resisting a U.S. request to hand over a suspected crime boss with ties to the Caribbean nation's governing party amid reports he is stockpiling weapons in his Kingston stronghold to prevent arrest.
The island's government, which received the extradition request for Christopher "Dudus" Coke in August, has so far only responded with requests for more information about the gun and drug trafficking charges against the reputed gang leader.
Coke, identified by the U.S. Justice Department as one of the world's most dangerous drug kingpins, allegedly controls a band of gunmen inside Tivoli Gardens, a barricaded neighborhood of Kingston, the capital of Jamaica and a city with one of the highest homicide rates in the Western Hemisphere.
U.S. authorities are voicing frustration that Jamaica is not moving more quickly to honor a mutual extradition treaty.
bermuda is very civilized with a low crime rate and a high standard of living Jamaica is the opposite and everyone is stoned on pot as well and armed and dangerous
it springs, of couse, from the fact that Jamaicans would not tolerate his condescending , racist behaviour, and ran him out on a rail. as to Vacanos....drugs are basically legal, he offers. another insight from the colossus of ignorance. ALL hallucenogenic drugs are illegal in Jamaica. it is no different than places like the United Kingdom. the police will not arrest you for a few spliffs for recreational use, but, try carrying a kilo or two on the passenger seat. you will end up in the court system. and, unlike the DR, it is a real legal system. you do not escape your date in court by seeking out a buscone to pay off a few colonels and fiscales. it is not like here , where you can shoot
Good to hear from you my brother!
and culture??? oh you mean "we're only black behind our ears".... or "i'm not black i'm Indian/Taino"...sure...culture....
Jamaica has it's problems, no dispute there...but you're not any safer in the DR, and compare a basic resort in Ja and a basic resort in the DR...Ja wins hands down...
But yes the whole Caribbean will feel it once Cuba opens up...it will be good for Cuba thoug
As far as the race issue, we have been struggling with this issue since the haitians were kicked out of the eastern territories. There is a huge fear in the DR when it comes to talk about our African influences and Taino to a limit.
As for Cuba, all I can say is, that if I am to take a vacation and Cuba is open for travel, i will not hesitate to take that trip. Everyone wants to see it.
Parece que los piti-lambones se están clonando porque no tienen quorum en el foro...
Dread at least here you have the wonderful Spanish Heritage that unites all .....there you are one step away from going in the pot
what wonderful Spanish Heritage? give us some artifacts of this magnificence of which you speak. do you mean like incurable racism, abhorrent inequality of opportunity and wealth, and general discrimination against all manner of folks?