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Puerto Plata, Dominican Republic.- The fall in the tourism begins to affect everyone equally in the north coast province, crisis which worsens with massive layoffs as even new hotels close their doors for lack of guests.

In the 12 hotels that still operate in the Playa Dorada tourism complex, occupancy plummeted from 60 to 30 percent, while flights from Europe also fell.

In the resort’s shopping plaza 15 stores have placed closed signs while five hotels have closed in Playa Dorada.

The most recent to close was Viva Windham, with Alegro, Sol Tropical, Playa Dorada Hotel Club and the Green in El Royal before that, and in nearby Sosúa the Sol de Plata.

Others have temporarily halted operations for remodeling.

The American Rosael Montesinos, who for four years has been in charge of the company Alav Tours, affirms that two years ago guests lined for the tour operator’s services.

The businesswoman revealed that it recently sold 50 tickets in one week, which now take up to four months.

Fingerprinting for the zone’s demise is mutual, while some say it’s taxes, formal merchants and informal vendors blame the hotel representatives themselves, who “sell panic” by warning of alleged levels of insecurity in Puerto Plata’s streets.

Along the entire road to Puerto Plata, Sosúa and Cabarete, many of the eateries have vanished and those still open attract one or two customers per hour.

“Here we have a Tourism Vice Minister who doesn’t contribute anything to the city, nobody says what’s going to happen to those of us who are unemployed,” complains Miguel Angel González, while Milton Jiménez, who sells provisions, affirms that commerce “has gone belly up,” forcing him to layoff his six employees.

The crisis has also reached the taxi drivers, as from a high of 160 who serviced Playa Dorada, today only a few remain.

Taxi driver association president Segundo González affirms that the way in which the hoteliers have handled themselves with the foreign guests is the fiasco’s main cause.

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99 comment(s)
Written by: Gringo_1, 22 Sep 2010 8:25 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Maimon (Bonao)
Hahah, It wasn't that long ago Lionel said the financial crisis in the US didn't have an affect on the DR. Keeo talking Sr Empty Suit. Too bad for those businesses and their employees.
Written by: gmiller261, 22 Sep 2010 8:36 AM
From: United States

You people are pathetic.

There is NO one to blame but yourselves.

Failed country.

Written by: gmiller261, 22 Sep 2010 8:38 AM
From: United States

"alleged levels of insecurity in Puerto Plata’s streets"

It is true, expats die, you do nothing.... Once again...

You people are pathetic.

There is NO one to blame but yourselves.

Written by: JimHarrington This user is banned, 22 Sep 2010 8:42 AM
From: United States
Didn't someone in the PLD - Leonel corrupt caucus just a few days ago say that tourism is up?
Written by: gmiller261, 22 Sep 2010 8:43 AM
From: United States

"the way in which the hoteliers have handled themselves with the foreign guests is the fiasco’s main cause."

Typical Dominican, blame someone else. STOP !

Morons, it is how Dominicans in general treat foreigners. Stop the entitlement mentality, Stop the pathological corruption, Stop the killing.

Written by: yumnuk3, 22 Sep 2010 9:02 AM
From: United States, ø„¸¨°º¤ø„¸¸„ø¤º°¨¸„ø¤º°¨
Gmiller261,

You should be ashamed of yourself you pathetic lump of sorrowful, human debris. You are a mentally retarded, obscene, pathetic loooserrrrr!!!!

Go hang yourself.
Written by: gmiller261, 22 Sep 2010 9:20 AM
From: United States

This is how stupid you look from the outside.

Yesterday it was "2010 is year of Dominican Republic’s recovery, economists say". This information comes from what should be considered your smartest. And they use the wording that recovery is from internal not external factors.

Today, a whole city is on the scape heap. That's why I say Dominicans have a Ground Hogs day mentality. The next day it is as if nothing was said.

Written by: WalterPolo, 22 Sep 2010 9:32 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Puerto Plata
It has to do with big money. When Playa Dorada started in the early 80's, hotels were mostly stand alone operations leased out to international hotel chains: Eurotel, Holiday Inn, Jack Tar are a few examples.

Those companies were so delighted with the Dominican way of doing business none of them renewed their leases. It has been happy go lucky since then, with smaller hotel chains, and often the same owners operating without the know how with a Hen of the golden eggs approach. Little investment in renovations if any, poor quality service, less than average food and customer complaints sent the tour operators's business elsewhere.

And a city in shambles thanks to the Ramon Ortiz (nightclub owner turned PRD mayor) administration.

Leonel and Felucho invested massively into the city, rebuilt the Malecon area, the main road to Santiago, and what not, but too little too late. Some think it had to do with getting votes in the Province, since the PLD needed seats in the Province.
Written by: WalterPolo, 22 Sep 2010 9:47 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Puerto Plata
Elsewhere is Bavaro/Punta Cana, initiated by Frank Rainieri, Minister of tourism under Balaguer. Colossal fortunes were made stealing land from peasants, fishermen, Bienes nacionales, and sweeeeeet deals were made with Spanish (again) hotel chains. Everyboody has been laughing their way to the ..Casinos ever since, so Muerto Plata, like my daughter calls it, had better find a new orientation, because tourist mecca it will never be again.There is no serious investment public or private, it rains everyday during the winter months, corruption is endemic, streets are not very safe, and I could go on and on and on.

But let's face it:

Game over.
Written by: Atabey, 22 Sep 2010 9:52 AM
From: United States, NYC
Open a Charter city concept for Puerto Plata. Clean it up and re-invent it.
Written by: abc200, 22 Sep 2010 10:39 AM
From: United Kingdom, Dominican Republic
Everything has a 15-20 year life. Holiday camps were popular in the 50-s in the UK and most had died by the 70-s.
Time to send in the bulldosers and turn the area into a modern beautiful eco-resort.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_ibJW0sJ3w

S.
Written by: dreadlocks, 22 Sep 2010 10:58 AM
From: United States
WaterPolo, when i made mention of the tourism life cycle, and its effects on the Dominican tourism model, i was almost run out of town. well, it has come to pass. POP is as dead as Julius Caesar and it aint coming back, ever. it has nothing! no fabulous beaches, no spectacular sights. nobody wants to see a cable car..Euros and North Americans can stay home and see them. sorry, Atabey. charter city experiments will not revive POP. nothing will. goose cooked.
Written by: juanb, 22 Sep 2010 11:06 AM
From: Dominican Republic

The same way that we blew what was once a successful, job providing, and profitable free zone industry, so we have done with Puerto Plata. Once again the only law observed in the DR, THE LAW OF MINIMUM EFFORT, claims another victim. We are a nation of front runners. When we have something good, we never thing about making it better. We think that the golden eggs will be there forever. Sadly, for us, we have to compete with the rest of the world for all types of business. AND REMEMBER, we were ranked as one of the least competitive countries in the world and losing these businesses is how that manifests itself.

Sad, very sad.
Written by: xwill7, 22 Sep 2010 11:24 AM
From: United States, El cuarto bate
Puerto Plata still has a chance but some one will have to step in and save it.
Written by: julay, 22 Sep 2010 11:26 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Mr. gmiller261,

Considering all the comments you've posted on this article, I'm assuming you're NOT Dominican. If that is the case, and it's clear you have absolutely no respect or esteem for Dominicans or their country, then I suggest you simply STOP coming to this site and reading about their issues. THIS IS NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS. You don't like DR, then fine, good for you. Go back to wherever you came from. We don't care.

Thanks,

Written by: cibaeño75, 22 Sep 2010 11:35 AM
From: United States, New York City
Another factor which has certainly hurt the city but which the article fails to mention is Santiago's airport. Once, the people of Cibao had to enter the country through Puerto Plata's airport and would typically, at the very least, eat a meal in a local restuarant or frequent a vendor before heading off into the interior. Not anymore.
Written by: dreadlocks, 22 Sep 2010 11:40 AM
From: United States
xwill, the goose is cooked. stick a fork in it. it is done. every day, new resort areas are being discovered, all over the world. nobody wants to go to some resort area that has been reinvented. Juanb is on the money when he refers to the land of minimum effort. Dominicans got caught up in the hype. they read the press clippings which referred to it as the number 1 caribbean destination, and fell into a state of resource complacency. what they failed to take into consideration was the fact that they were number i in HEADCOUNT. so, they did not factor in for service, attractions, and basic amenities like edible food. so, every so often, a bunch of sick tourists were going home to tell their media how many of them spent how many days in emergency rooms after eating the evening meal .the DR tourism model thrived in POP when it was relatively cheap. now, Euros can go to Dubai for less, and have world class amenities and service.
Written by: Caribe19, 22 Sep 2010 11:49 AM
From: United States
Gmiller whatever

One thing is Puerto Plata's problems and Dominicans problemsm but you have to watch your mouth when you talk about Dominicans. I personally with many things that happen in the DR, but i cant let you talk about my people like that. Get the hek out and go to you Cuban or Costa Rican or whatever you want to call it. That is just hate coming oout of your mouth and we dont need that to fix our problems. IF YOU HATE DOMINICANS SO MUCH, WHAT THE F R U DOING HERE??????????
Written by: Dwayne, 22 Sep 2010 11:58 AM
From: Dominican Republic, www.dr-dominicanrepublic.com
Seems to conflict with this other article from DT http://www.dominicantoday.com/dr/....M-to-advertize-tourism-chief-says

"Dominican Republic spends US$60 million in advertising worldwide, which has led to making it the Caribbean’s top tourism destination,"

It would appear that the advertisement is not working so well. OR the Dr is not really the "caribbean's top tourist destination"
Written by: xwill7, 22 Sep 2010 12:07 PM
From: United States, El cuarto bate
Cib you might be right... Last time I flew into POP it was very slow. STI has taken away but its no excuse for having low tourism... The big hotel chains are still good to go to but the city is very slow right now.

Another problem could be that all tourism ads for DR focus on Punta Cana, I have not seen any ads promoting POP. If it was not for the Canadian people, POP would be a ghost town!
Written by: xwill7, 22 Sep 2010 12:08 PM
From: United States, El cuarto bate
Dread, It sure does need a huge face lift
Written by: bobrjm, 22 Sep 2010 12:12 PM
From: Canada
One of the major problems for Puerto Plata is that here in Canada and also in the U.S. and Europe is that all the TV and newspaper advertisements are pushing Punta Cana area hotels. Everything is PUNTA CANA to them.

You see very few (almost none) advertisements about the Puerto Plata hotels or the city of Puerto Plata.

Personally myself I prefer the Puerto Plata area because the hotels are close to the city which I enjoy strolling around.

In fact my youngest son and I are making a trip to Play Dorada for 2 weeks in November and I will be returning in January for most of the winter.

The TV and newpaper adds need to advertise Puerto Plata area and hotels much more.

One of the major problems for guests at Playa Dorada, that want to go into the city is that there is no bus service for them to use and the taxis charge a much too high a rate (Highway robbery) and as a result the people do not go into the city where they would be spending money buying things.
Written by: xwill7, 22 Sep 2010 12:30 PM
From: United States, El cuarto bate
bob,
I actually like the mountain views in the background in Puerto Plata much better than the flat view in Punta Cana... I also noticed fewer flights to POP this year.
Written by: DRmaker, 22 Sep 2010 12:30 PM
From: Canada
Man, this is really sad!

I think the low economy in Western Europe is part of the reason tourism is down in Puerto Plata.

Hope POP bouces back. I'm going back next month. Third time this year.

The big lush mountains on this part of the north coast is spectacular to see. Reminds me of the coastline of Puerto Vallarta on the Pacific side of Mexico.
Written by: Rainman, 22 Sep 2010 12:48 PM
From: United States
The Dominican Republic has everything it needs to be successful in the tourist industry, unfortunately they have killed the golden goose themselves by their inability to treat the tourist and investors in a fair and safe manner.

Every month there is a story in the international press of a tourist who was killed or asaulted then you have the times investors are taken for a ride by corrupt officials or simple buscones.

You reap what you sow so stop crying to the world for your self created demise.
Written by: gmiller261, 22 Sep 2010 1:06 PM
From: United States

julay, It is extremely obvious that you do not care. You put up with this.

Caribe19, there is not one iota of hate in me, but

1) I despise your authorities for their transparent corruption
2) I am deeply discouraged by the far major of your society for putting up with it. Do SOMETHING.

Written by: Atabey, 22 Sep 2010 1:35 PM
From: United States, NYC
Dread and his cherry disposition. Contrary to your thinking POP is not Bikini Island where a thermonuclear device was set-off. It can be re-invented but with some other catch or more likely in combination with its existing base. I don't know what, but I'll venture to say that perhaps your previously posted idea of combining tourism and medical services could be a viable solution to the problem at hand. Think about it. the government works out a set of agreements with say Canada, perhaps some Euro nations and establishes a model that a) brings down the overall costs of surgical procedures, thus saving loads of money to the advance nations, b) helps solidify and resuscitate the POP area. Licensed Medical practitioners the world over are encouraged to come and arrangements, tax holidays, etc., are extended to initiate matters. And this could be done while still serving regular tourist traffic.
Written by: Atabey, 22 Sep 2010 1:37 PM
From: United States, NYC
Perhaps pursue, because of the warmer weather and beaches, an understanding with Canadians and other retirement heavy societies to look into setting up camp in POP. While the beaches may not be up to the standards of those in the southeast of the nation, the northern beaches are how should I say "preferable" to those windy and icy stretches found in Canada. There are many retirement minded Dominicans coming into the pipeline in the next few decades. These not insignificant numbers could help address POP plight.

Positive criticism wins out, gmiller261. You don't berate an entire nation or people and expect them to think that what you say is true.
Written by: Perez, 22 Sep 2010 1:42 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Sh*t!! with the friggn $$ u need to pay after staying more than a month in DR, it would scare anybody! And I'm talking the fee and tax u need to pay at Immigration service! it was either $800 pesos or $25, $35 dollars! and i stayed there a month and a half!
Written by: Rainman, 22 Sep 2010 1:47 PM
From: United States
A friend once told me : "The Dominican Republic is not a poor country, is a rich country poorly managed"
Written by: abc200, 22 Sep 2010 2:16 PM
From: United Kingdom, Dominican Republic
A lot of ugly buildings need to go.
Also empty hotels etc. need to be bulldosed after 3 -5 years and sites restored.

S.
Written by: Tommy, 22 Sep 2010 3:46 PM
From: Canada, Northern Ontario
Well, lots of negative comments here! A few positive ones though.
I love PP. Been there 200 times. Know it quite well. True tourism is down, hopes are high! There is a fair bit of construction & clean-up going on. PP will bounce back, slow but sure!
I'll be there for October, again!
Have a great PP day!
Written by: xwill7, 22 Sep 2010 4:25 PM
From: United States, El cuarto bate
tommy,
Octoberfest in DR for you...Drink a frosty Presidente for me
Written by: Caribe19, 22 Sep 2010 4:39 PM
From: United States
GMILLER

Still the hate. Stop hating. You don't understand this country and will never understand it. We are what we are and we are proud of it. I'm a DOMINICAN leaving in the US and have no intentions to change anything here. Don't mix politics with our culture. I'm pretty sure there are many bad things in your country, therfore spend time trying to fix those and forget about hours. HATER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Written by: WalterPolo, 22 Sep 2010 5:41 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Puerto Plata
I live in POP and love it.

I would not consider any other venue in the country. The long tradition of multi-culturalism, the size of the city where all services are available within a 5 km radius, the absence of massive Yahoos sporting Presidente T-shirts, the quality of restaurants etc etc make it unique in the DR.

If I feel like something different, I drive there. I don't like Santiago and its traffic jams; I love the odd 3 day stay in SD, week-end in Jarabacoa, Las Terrenas etc., but I'm staying here.

Sure, tourism is down and the local business suffers, but who knows?

Nearby Sosua has converted in a retirement place for many boomers, and POP might eventually get its fair share of that market.

Puerto Plata will never be what it was before. But it will become something else.
Written by: PatDiamond, 22 Sep 2010 6:10 PM
From: Botswana, La reconnaissance est une lachete'
If the Dominican Rep tourism industry do not create a brand for DR this is inevitable.It is what Jamaica have manage to do successfully, brand Jamaica is something that is reflected in all aspect of their tourism industry, even on the commercials for JA tourism . As a result they have a high rate of return customers despite their high murder rate per year ,where DR does not.
Written by: BASTA, 22 Sep 2010 6:45 PM
From: Dominican Republic, =Ghetto/Legalize Drugs
is just hate coming oout of your mouth and we dont need that to fix our problems. IF YOU HATE DOMINICANS SO MUCH, WHAT THE F R U DOING HERE??????????
i for one only feel shame for my country but where else can you order cat.
Written by: Atabey, 22 Sep 2010 6:48 PM
From: United States, NYC
Pat,

I agree that DR needs to get a catchy phrase associated with their tourist sector. I hear: "DR has it all." or "Dominicana lo tiene todo." But don't know if it has the bite for the US market. Jamaica and the other English speaking nations have a huge advantage, they speak English. And the first tourist destinations in the Caribbean, outside of Cuba, were dominated by English and French speaking entities. Even Haiti was better known in the tourist trade than the DR. Supposedly, there's interest in spending more advertisement dollars in the US market. Let's see. I've seen some weak commercials. Maybe they should hire the agencies working for Jamaica and the Bahamas.
Written by: dreadlocks, 22 Sep 2010 7:33 PM
From: United States
Atabey, the ad campaigns in Jamaica are handled by the Tourist Board. most of it is in house. the Minister of Tourism is a very good friend of mine, and a really bright guy. the thing that saves it from all the negative press about violence is that somehow prospective guests know that the violence is political, and they are pretty safe from it. but, as someone said, Jamaica has managed to become a brand. the music is more than just pleasant and interesting..it is internationally recognised as a major art form.. every cookbook on earth has recipes for Jamaican food. those are things people on vacation want...good food, good entertainment. not championship golf courses all over the area. the average schmuck who wants to shoot a few rounds of golf does not need Pebble Beach. the perspective and priorities are all mucked up. that is why Samana has an 18% tourist visitor return rate.
Written by: dreadlocks, 22 Sep 2010 8:21 PM
From: United States
years ago, some bright guy came up with the idea of the monster truck rides from POP to the outlying areas, mostly a bit past Imbert, on the way to Santiago. so, he got a fleet of trucks, and had a decent little gig going. it did not take long for every other guy and his brother to start putting a bench in the pickup box of every camioneta that would start, and doing his own thing. well, maybe 90% of the startup, or upstarts, failed.. lack of creativity and ideas. lack of a statement. Ocho Rios in Jamaica is a sleepy village, which draws big international crowds. it has a statement, whether deserved or not. it is called Dunns River Falls. people go to Ocho Rios just to climb it. Americans and Euros compete to see who can set the record for getting to the top. similarly, Negril is nothing but a 7 mile beach. but it has 2 statements. one is called Rick´s Cafe, owned by some guy from the West coast of the USA. the other is Hedonism. these are internationally famous locations
Written by: dreadlocks, 22 Sep 2010 8:22 PM
From: United States
that attract people. they were well thought out, and are the products of effort and ingenuity. that is what makes tourism work.
Written by: Caribe19, 22 Sep 2010 8:27 PM
From: United States
You all have to be careful comparing small islands with the Dominican. Only Santo Domingo is almost more populated than the whole Jamaica. The DR GDP is a lot more bigger than any island in the Caribbean including Cuba. I do agree that we should utilize our natural resources and take advantage of them in a good way. But what you all don't understand is that the Dominican economy is not only tourism. Beside you have to understand that we have the Haiti situation that we have to deal with. Jamaica, Cuba, nobody else deals with this. In case you all didn't know Haiti is the poorest country of the western hemisphere and the DR is also poor. Not easy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and another reference many islands in the Caribbean import goods from the DR. If Jamaicans didn't speak any English would probably be in big problems, Just saying lets live in peace and work to help the poory.
Written by: dreadlocks, 22 Sep 2010 8:50 PM
From: United States
caribe, i wish i could reply to that posting, but i have no idea what you mean. the only thing i agree with you on is that we should work together, and live in peace. i have advocated that there should be more cultural and commercial exchange between the countries of the caribbean, but there are posters at this site who believe that the DR is too advanced and postmodern to deal with its backward brethren in the region. as to your reference that the Santo Domingo alone is more populous than Jamaicaa. that might be, but it means nothing, except that the problems are scaled down quantitatively. Simple fact...the DR media refers to DR as the NO1 caribbean destination. yes, it gets 4 million tourists per year. but it has 9 million people. so, every 2.25 persons gets his own tourist. Jamaica has 3 million people, and gets 3 million tourists. that means that every jamaican gets 1 tourist...smaller places like Antigua are even better off.
Written by: Caribe19, 22 Sep 2010 9:10 PM
From: United States
What I'm trying to tell you is that you can not compare islands that only live from Tourism with the DR. This small islands that you are referring to only live from tourism and have with no choice to develop and work 100% in that industry. I wish tourism were stronger in the DR to help more poor people to improve their way of leaving. I will give you a homework, look up the GDP for the Caribbean islands and you will have your answer there.
Written by: Caribe19, 22 Sep 2010 9:16 PM
From: United States
From wikipedia. I was mistake about Cuba, but here it is

Rank Country 2009 GDP
millions of US dollars
— World 69,808,807
— Latin America 6,044,037
1 Brazil 2,013,186
2 Mexico 1,465,726
3 Argentina 572,860
4 Colombia 396,579
5 Venezuela 358,623
6 Peru 245,883
7 Chile 243,044
8 Cuba 110,800
9 Ecuador 106,993
10 Dominican Republic 76,304
11 Guatemala 67,007
12 Costa Rica 48,741
13 El Salvador 43,676
14 Bolivia 43,424
15 Uruguay 42,543
16 Panama 38,604
17 Honduras 32,725
18 Paraguay 29,403
19 Trinidad and Tobago 27,038
20 Jamaica 20,958
21 Nicaragua 16,649
22 Haiti 11,562
23 Bahamas 9,228
24 Barbados 5,244
25 Suriname 4,436
26 Guyana 3,082
27 Belize 2,525
28 Saint Lucia 1,839
29 Antigua and Barbuda 1,646
30 Grenada 1,153
31 Saint Vincent and the Grenadines 1,086
32 Saint Kitts and Nevis 750
33 Dominica 7
Written by: PuntaCanaMike, 22 Sep 2010 10:28 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Great...but what is it per capita??? That is where we fall to the bottom of the list.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List....tries_by_GDP_(nominal)_per_capita

POP was once my home for a year approx 6 years back. At that time the talk was of this reincarnation of the city. A ton of money got shipped north and from what I saw on a visit a month back....it could not have gone into the projects promised or proposed.

Written by: dreadlocks, 22 Sep 2010 11:04 PM
From: United States
caribe19, i see where you are offering to give me homework about the caribbeans. these small islamds have nothing but tourism, you say. i guess Trinidad has nothing but tourism, then. maybe i should let you know that Jamaica was the leader in the production of Bauxite in the world, at one time, and is still known to produce the best quality coffee on planet earth. they have the same industries as the Dominican Republic, but on a smaller scale, being smaller islands. you seem to forget that jamaica has had a national airline for over 40 years, recently bought out by another island that you seem to think has only tourism. the Bahamas has probably the biggest ocean going vessel registry in the world. you sound like some guy from a first world country who believes that caribbean people live in trees. internet upload and download service in Jamaica is faster than it is in England and Canada. you need to do some homework.
Written by: xwill7, 22 Sep 2010 11:42 PM
From: United States, El cuarto bate
The illegals roaming the streets of DR is a turn off for some tourist
Written by: Caribe19, 23 Sep 2010 10:20 AM
From: United States
Dreadlock

what I want you to understand is that your country has been doing tourism for longer time than our country. It was untill 30 years ago that we started to develop the industry. We didint depend from tourism, beacuse we have another industries that support the economy. We have people leaving in the Hills right in the midlle of the island that have no clue we are leaving in a Island. For good or for bad we are in a trasition from a economy of goods to an economy of service and that includes Tourism. Puna Cana has become probably the largest all inclusive area around . Some people like this, some people don't. I personally like going to Las Terrenas . You and I come from the caribbean, many people here are from develop countries and dont know anything about how things are in our countries. But with all due respect I'm not going to Jamaican sites or any other country sites making negative statements.
Written by: dreadlocks, 23 Sep 2010 10:28 AM
From: United States
caribe, you are just one more in a long line of Dominicans who feel that someone who looks like you should not offer criticism of your country. several others in this site have made negative comments, but you single me out, because you feel that it is not in your place to argue with certain people. let me give you some homework. Jamaica did not get into tourism because it ¨had nothing else¨it was the world´s largest producer of bauxite before tourism came. and, i am not stopping you from going on a Jamaican forum and trashing them. they need it! i would welcome it! just as i go on American sites and voice my opinion regarding american politics, i will do so here, whether you , or anyone else, likes it. the internet is free space. deal with it.
Written by: dreadlocks, 23 Sep 2010 10:33 AM
From: United States
besides, caribe, show me one comment that i made which is gratuitously demeaning, and downright rude, to Dominicans. if i make mention of something, it is because i observe it. i did not call anyone names, and i offered no pejoratives in my comments. if the truth hurts, then go bury your head in the sand. if you cannot see it, it will not see you
Written by: Caribe19, 23 Sep 2010 10:39 AM
From: United States
My assumption is that you know very well what is going on in the DR. You have been there many times and you know so much that you can make staments. If you really can proof me that then i take my hat off and offer my appologies to you.

Should i write this email in spanish because you know so much about the DR.
Written by: dreadlocks, 23 Sep 2010 10:49 AM
From: United States
dude, i have lived in the DR, on and off, for 20 years. i was here when Balaguer was running the show. i am not some johnny come lately guy who spends a few weeks at Playa Dorada. the fact that i am still around should tell you that there is something about the place that i love, despite its warts. it has more natural resources than all the other islands put together, but they blow it away in the areas of utilisation. if a country like Barbados, with its people, had half the resources that the DR has, it would be the Singapore of the Western Hemisphere.
Written by: Dwayne, 23 Sep 2010 10:54 AM
From: Dominican Republic, www.dr-dominicanrepublic.com
xwill7
Your comment "The illegals roaming the streets of DR is a turn off for some tourist"

I disagree. Most tourists, especially the ones that are here for the first time, don't really know the difference between the Dominicans and the "illegals".

What does turn away the family tourists (doesn't affect the sex tourists much I don't think)
1) Trash in the streets - this is suppose to be a tropical paradise, people paid a lot of money to see and enjoy it. It irritates them to see people carelessly throwing trash all over and walking through trash lined streets. This is one advantage the private beaches and all inclusives have, they clean up their areas some.

2)Constant harassment at the beaches. yes, much of this is the illegals but the Dominicans are as bad. When I desire to hang out in front of a club or restaurant at a beach, yes I do expect the person waiting on me to be around regularly. but to be constantly swarmed with vendors is a little of a problem.
Written by: Caribe19, 23 Sep 2010 11:00 AM
From: United States
At the end of the day I wont let you, Gmiller and anybody else talk bad about my people. it is insulting and is not acceptable.It really surprised me that you didnt say anithing about the way GMILLER talked about us. I would relly like to see you comment about this.

I hope some Dominicans here say something. We have keep politics away from culture


Written by: Caribe19, 23 Sep 2010 11:06 AM
From: United States
Taking my hat off to you. And i appreciat you live in my country and care about it. But please dont let people like GMILLER talk bad about the people that you are surrounded. That is just hate and is not healthy. Im sure frome wherever GMILLER comes there are bad things to.
Written by: dreadlocks, 23 Sep 2010 11:11 AM
From: United States
it is not my duty to police the conduct of posters on this board. gmiller is a grown adult, and ,though his style might differ from mine, conforming his commentary to suit your taste does not fall under the proper purview of my prerogatives. as long as he abides by the standards of the moderator, you will just have to find a way to deal with it. constructive criticism is sometimes helpful. take a look at the comment above, regarding trash. people who come from scrupulously clean places like Canada, are amazed at how filthy places in the DR can get. you put a garbage can somewhere, and a guy leans against it, eats a plato del dia from a styrofoam clamshell, and throws it on the ground, BESIDE the trashcan. gmiller is not the cause of that. you go to a beach, lie on a recliner with your family, and some guy pulls up beside you with a jeepeta, opens the liftgate, and blasts you to kingdom come with 10,000 watts of bachata.
Written by: dreadlocks, 23 Sep 2010 11:17 AM
From: United States
as if that was not bad enough, some nitwit pulls in beside him, trying to outvolume him. gmiller is not the cause of that. when tourists get scammed by every guy on two legs, maybe gmiller gets incensed. i rented a car once, and paid up front for a week. the guy miscalculated the bill, and charged me an extra day. i discovered the error, and asked for a refund when i turned the car in. the guy gave me the song and dance for two weeks. the tourism department did nothing to help.the result is that he robbed me, plain and simple . he would rather beat me out of 30 dollars than to build a reputation for honorable behavior. when people come from some village in Wales, where people are scrupupously honest, they do not take kindly in being robbed by some third world schmuck. neither does gmiller.
Written by: Caribe19, 23 Sep 2010 11:39 AM
From: United States
I dont want anybody to suit my taste. You are talking about constructive crticism, but i dont think calling people pathetic is constructive criticismt. If you really want to help, that is not the right way. I agree with doing more to have a cleaner and better eviroment and that is what i do. The jeepeta and the bachata is part of a culture that you have to respect but no like. If you dont like it dont go there. that is the identity of a country for good or for bad. Why do we want to change that?
Its kindom like you said for me, y love my bachata, merengue, perico ripioa, etc.Some people and culture dont like, but dont try to change it.
Written by: xwill7, 23 Sep 2010 12:09 PM
From: United States, El cuarto bate
Yes the beach vendors do not leave you alone when trying to relax on the beach
Written by: dreadlocks, 23 Sep 2010 12:41 PM
From: United States
caribe says

The jeepeta and the bachata is part of a culture that you have to respect but no like. If you dont like it dont go there. that is the identity of a country for good or for bad. Why do we want to change that?

why do you want to change that? i am not saying that i would want to change the bachata. i amsaying that it is highly antisocial behavior for someone to violate the rights of others to quiet enjoyment. i really do not appreciate it when i am in an internet cafe, trying to get some wotk done, and six guys come in , making a godwaful racket, completely oblivious to the fact that others are present. antisocial behavior has to be addressed. you might see it as some quirky, almost folkloric idiosyncracy, but you have to consider that we live in a globalized world, wherein we come into contact with others. we depend upon some of these others for the success of our economy, namely tourists. surely you are not saying that if they do not like being kept awake by some
Written by: dreadlocks, 23 Sep 2010 12:50 PM
From: United States
guy blasting his stereo at aircraft level at 3 am, then they should not come here. it should be incumbent upon each and every person to take the necessary steps to alleviate the discomforts which are germinated by the clash of cultures
Written by: jrpull, 23 Sep 2010 2:07 PM
From: United States
Maybe tourist are just tired of getting ripped off. Look to the Elliotts and their little nest of thieves in the Cofresi area for a large part of the problem.

If the Dominican government would control these people better and help the victims recover funds then maybe people will start comming back to the DR.

Written by: abc200, 23 Sep 2010 2:11 PM
From: United Kingdom, Dominican Republic
Dread needs some noise cancelling headphones. I may invest in an electric scooter and see if others copy.
Pedestrian/bicycyle areas would help. LT will get its first bike/horse track soon.

S,
Written by: dreadlocks, 23 Sep 2010 2:12 PM
From: United States
not to mention all the schmucks who got burned with all the worthless time share crap. people can take just so much. after a while , they just get fed up. look at all the talk about the DR being the caribbean haven for weddings. now, most of the couples find that they are not legally married, and were really just scammed. my question is ¨how difficult would it have been to just take the proper steps to ensure that the people got what they paid for?¨ too hard, in the land of the Law of Minimum Effort. juanb, your royalties for the use of that term are in the mail.
Written by: Dwayne, 23 Sep 2010 2:16 PM
From: Dominican Republic, www.dr-dominicanrepublic.com
It's interesting to see people make the statement . "If you don't like it don't come here". I've seen this a couple times in comments on this thread.

Reread the title of this post. This is about tourism and the lack of it in certain areas. If you want tourism in certain areas you have to cater to the tourist to a certain degree. That is different then people moving here like me. If I want things to be like it is in the US, I should move back to the US, Pretty simple.

But this post is about making people comfortable enough with the country (at least certain parts of it), that they continue to come back and spend money here. Cleaning up those areas, providing a little security, and having certain regulations on certain beaches (no I'm not at all talking about locking out the locals), will help to make sure people have a pleasant experience, tell others of how great it is here, and come back again. Bring with them much needed revenue.
Written by: dreadlocks, 23 Sep 2010 2:24 PM
From: United States
Dwayne, these are the guys who believe the hype, that the DR is the no1 destination in the carbbean, and, without it, there is nothing. they fail to realise that there are equally good vacation spots all over the WORLD, let alone the caribbean. if you do not want tourists here, they can go elsewhere, and take their money to nicaragua. see who feels it harder.
Written by: gmiller261, 23 Sep 2010 2:29 PM
From: United States
Caribe19,

I have had 10 years of what you call culture, if I were you I would find another name for it.

It is NOT culture that allows people to be murdered and your authorities do nothing about it because they are paid off. I've seen accidents were bystanders run up to the car and steal whatever they can and no one helped the injured. If that is your culture, I'd trade it in for something else.

The authorities in you country are pathologically corrupt and feel they are owed something. No one is, they need to grow up.

Written by: HateitorLOVEIT, 23 Sep 2010 4:32 PM
From: United States, Washington, DC
I believe the DR has the potential to be a jewel again,but the people have short memory & treat there pais poorly. The good old days are gone. Just returned from Playa dorado for a quick honeymoon.I had better accomodations,service, & food when I was in bootcamp in the army. Normally,I rent a condo but, I wanted take my dominican bride someplace considered to be upscale, Hotel Victoria. She wasn't happy with the service, food, treatment by the staff! The crisis is affecting many dominicans to do things they shouldn't. I had a friend that works the beach, playa caleton. He's in charge of the guys who provides chairs, food, drinks to the people. He knew we got married so he brings out the best. We got our usually except the lobster was bigger. The bill, twice as much as I normally pay! I see with looking out of the corner of his eye as he walks away. My wife yells at him. I said bebe, no problemo. We will never buy anything from him again. Always short term gratification.
Written by: abc200, 23 Sep 2010 8:12 PM
From: United Kingdom, Dominican Republic
From my experience of the tourist industry there always will be the complainers - some make a profession of it.
About 2-5% of guests.
My freinds stay at Alisei or Colibri in LT.
Check out trip advisor.
p://www.tripadvisor.com/Hotel_Review-g259440-d643747-Reviews-Hotel_Alisei-Las_Terrenas_Samana_Peninsula_Dominican_Republic.html
Review from many parts of US show DR has much to offer.

Now check out a hotel in Grand Bahamas.

http://www.tripadvisor.com/Hotel_....ew_Providence_Island_Bahamas.html

Only 70% recommend. 1499 reviews.

250 dollar dinners.

So professional moaners lay off the Dominicans; they do their best with often very good results.
This is echoed by many people I meet.

S.




I wonder why DT collects these complainers.




Written by: dreadlocks, 23 Sep 2010 8:13 PM
From: United States
congratulations, Hateitorloveit. i wish you a long lifetime of wedded bliss. and yes, you hit the nail on the head. Dominicans need to learn what customer service is. my theory is that the people who own the assets believe that they are doing you a favor by attending to you. they all need to get a course in how to treat a customer. you go into a store , and ask for information, and the owner sits at his desk as if he is the second coming of Christ, and sends some peon to screw things up, because he is too important to attend to you himself. i can call to some guy in Texas, and tell him i am in the DR, and order something from him, telling him i need it asap. by the next day, i have an email with a tracking number. because he VALUES me, even if i am spending 15 bucks, and am a thousand miles away.
Written by: dreadlocks, 23 Sep 2010 8:16 PM
From: United States
ABC, go pump sand in your ear. people who spend their money have a right to complain, if they feel they do not get what they pay for. you seem to be some paid cheerleader, but your act is tired, and threadbare. get a life.
Written by: abc200, 23 Sep 2010 8:46 PM
From: United Kingdom, Dominican Republic
No Dread that's stupid. DR would have no success if a substantial proportion of Dominicans were not ready to please. Trip Advisor would not have copywriters writing hundreds of good reviews and I would not meet so many people enjoying themselves.
Yes, you seem to be 'in' with a gang of moaners. Its a pity because you give a very unbalanced impression. Hotels and residences do not get 4+ stars with TripAdvisor by doing nothing and with no efforts of the staff.
Look at some hotels in Florida sometimes charging 200 dollars a night plus for room only.
And they are not even on the beach.
Leave your clan of professional moaners!

Yes business is conducted at a nice leisurely pace - charming!
Get a life.
S.


Written by: abc200, 23 Sep 2010 9:31 PM
From: United Kingdom, Dominican Republic
HateitorLOVEIT is stupid - in restaurants lobster is normally priced per lb. The size is according to what is available.
So if he got a very large lobster he should expect to pay more. It is not good form to fuss over the price of lobster.
The price of this lobster would feed many Dominican families for a week. I seldomn eat it as stocks in the sea are low.
Anyhow the cost was a fraction of what he might pay in the Bahamas or New York - 250 -300 dollars for two persons - he should be so lucky!
S.
Written by: HateitorLOVEIT, 23 Sep 2010 10:55 PM
From: United States, Washington, DC
abcdej
whatever your dumb name is ,, first reading is a gift that you haven't received. But, ur from the UK... If you guys get 3 hours of sun and brush ur teeth once a day then it's a good day for you! This was not a fancy restaurant..D.A. It is a beach.....But your kind are the people who came to the all you can eat buffet.. eating the same thing, which was served 2 hours earlier. All they did was cover it with a different sauce and your kind thought it was a gourmet meal . One lobster doesn't not double the price of ur bill unless your are just a D.A. I always eat lobster at this beach but reading is fundamental! You missed the point D.A. I basically order the same meal and was overcharge for it... my dominican wife thought the same way... Some people can afford something better then tuna fish and lays potato chips.....ABC123... Drag yourself down to the pub and try to drink until you acquire some intelligence.
Written by: dreadlocks, 23 Sep 2010 11:22 PM
From: United States
Hateitorloveit, the guy is just a demented head case, who has an elevator which does not go up to the top floor. so, here you are, reliving a moment in which you were overcharged for a meal, and all this schmuck can offer is some sophomoric relativism, telling you that you would pay much more in the USA. we are fast learning that he is best left alone, to meander on aimlessly and dimly, offering nonsensical responses, and being a general irritant. his best days, if he ever had any, are behind him. he needs to be institutionalised, for his own sake, not to mention the rest of us.
Written by: abc200, 24 Sep 2010 12:18 AM
From: United Kingdom, Dominican Republic
The restaurants I go to charge by the pound. If a very big one is served then you pay double - big ones are at a premium.
And no I am not a package tourist - I go to fine restaurants here. As everywhere there is inflation but DR is outstanding value for money.
Dread has dug himself a pit and can believe nothing good about the DR.
Selects ( over 1.5 lb ) sell wholesale at about 10 dollars a pound in the US.
Restaurants in US mark this up to 30-50 dollars a pound.
Don't eat too many the Caribb fisheries are in trouble.
http://assets.panda.org/downloads...._langosta_espinosa_carpeta_en.pdf

There are good restaurants in DR!
http://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowUs....Peninsula_Dominican_Republic.html
S.
Written by: HateitorLOVEIT, 24 Sep 2010 9:02 AM
From: United States, Washington, DC
First, Dread thank you for the kind words that you expressed about my union with my soulmate. I greatly appreciate your words. Now, The problem xyz000 is I was not talking about where you go, I was talking about where I went and have gone many times! Again, reading is a fundamental skill, for some of US. Obviously you don't know that some of the best food is found on the beaches in the DR! All you're doing is throwing your money away by going to some"FINE DINING RESTAURANT". I work on K Street in Washington d.c. You can't compare fine dining with me...can't..But the point I was making is I know this guy, I have dined in his house in rio san juan, showered (bucket shower) in his house, always tip more then he seeks b/c I know he needs the money. But, he's going to try to rip me off, b/c times are a little tough... And if u could read, he knew I recognized what he was doing. I can see him doing this to you, but me..he just lost me as a customer & friend! UR just a pompous D.A.
Written by: dreadlocks, 24 Sep 2010 9:26 AM
From: United States
ABC is a relocation consultant, a hack who tries to make everything sound so wonderful here,that Euros will be lining up to come live here. the institutions are wonderful to deal with, nobody scams you, and riches abound for all who dare to try. when the suckers start arriving, he will charge them a fee to assist in their resettlement. the guy is a waste of air.
Written by: abc200, 24 Sep 2010 9:55 AM
From: United Kingdom, Dominican Republic
Perjhaps lobster stocks will recover.
Hate should worry more about the big time crooks in Wall Street that rip him off in various ways.
His extra 20-50 dollars went on the bigger lobster and the general increase in lobster prices.
Relocation consulting is not one of my sources of income - but always ready to help.
S.
Written by: HateitorLOVEIT, 24 Sep 2010 10:29 AM
From: United States, Washington, DC
Still, you don't seem to understand my point! You treat your customers like they are ur livelihood! It does not matter if it's the Hotel Victoria in Playa Dorado or buying beers on the beach. Treat ur customers well and you will have business. Keep the same standard of quality from start to finish. But, if your quality and service and standards fluctuate, then so will your customer based if not just disappear. We are not talking about WALL STREET! This thread is about the fall in tourism in the DR and especially the north coast! As dread stated in the past, the people in the POP area became complacent, lazy, lost that edge when the resorts first opened and the got that new job. And because they became complacent... they are now suffering! There was one woman at the hotel victoria, bartender, she worked everyday like it was her first and last. She was the exception. I don't see much of that anymore between Costambar and Nagua. I see a lot of hands out and people not caring!!
Written by: HateitorLOVEIT, 24 Sep 2010 10:34 AM
From: United States, Washington, DC
Next time I go to playa caleton... I will be bringing my food and drinks!
Written by: dreadlocks, 24 Sep 2010 10:40 AM
From: United States
i told you that ABC is a waste of a good moment. you are talking about being overcharged for a lobster, and he responds by telling you that you should not be eating them. then he tells you that you should not worry about being overcharged for a lobster here, but about being ripped off by Wall Street. the guy has a lot of things rattling around in his head,
Written by: HateitorLOVEIT, 24 Sep 2010 11:00 AM
From: United States, Washington, DC
Yeah, he just got me fired up! He doesn't know what music he's dancing too or he can't dance to the music....
Written by: abc200, 24 Sep 2010 12:03 PM
From: United Kingdom, Dominican Republic
Yea, people put up with being exploited for so long......... always a problem with a service industry.
Self service is more egalitarian. Think about how many more happy lobsters there would be in the sea if people like you stopped eating so many!
I still can't think for a minute why a Dominican should rip you off.......
S.
Written by: dreadlocks, 24 Sep 2010 12:13 PM
From: United States
this from the old sage of the hills

I still can't think for a minute why a Dominican should rip you off.......

i guess nobody here rips off anybody else. all those stories and tv programs by Nuria are figments of a fertile imagination
Written by: abc200, 24 Sep 2010 12:34 PM
From: United Kingdom, Dominican Republic
Just minor re-appropriations of wealth - not major ones like the Wall Street crowd.....
And the directors of GM - trashing the planet also in the bargain.
http://www.mikefeeney.com/photogallery/photo32659/Lobster1a%20copy.jpg
S.
Written by: HateitorLOVEIT, 24 Sep 2010 12:42 PM
From: United States, Washington, DC
Self service is more egalitarian. Think about how many more happy lobsters there would be in the sea if people like you stopped eating so many!

I still can't think for a minute why a Dominican should rip you off.......

BBC-200

I see... this must be a game for you because you can't be that dumb!!!! Put the crystal meth down! If you insert the knife at the base of the jugular vein then it is over quickly... Then the rest of us can rejoice!
Written by: Rainman, 24 Sep 2010 12:59 PM
From: United States
God gave the dominicans a paradise and they dont know what to do with it
Written by: dreadlocks, 24 Sep 2010 1:20 PM
From: United States
he is that dumb
Written by: abc200, 24 Sep 2010 1:38 PM
From: United Kingdom, Dominican Republic
Probably all the mean Americans have run the place down with low tips.

.

But how much should you tip at a four-star restaurant? At a four-star restaurant, the maitre d' may be the first person you tip, particularly if you are a regular and he goes out of his way to either keep a table for you, or to seat you even when the restaurant is very busy. The maitre d' tip might be $20 - $100, and should be given to him before you are seated, or as you are seated, but not after you are seated. Once you have dined, expect to leave a 20% tip. Again the tip is calculated before tax. If you have wine with your meal, the wine steward should be tipped $2 or $3 dollars for a bottle of wine under $10, or if multiple bottles are ordered, 10% - 15% of the wine bill. If you order a single bottle that is extremely expensive a 5% tip to the wine steward is acceptable.

Another person you might need to tip at a four-star restaurant is the coat check attendant. Tipping $1 for one or two coats is fine
Written by: dreadlocks, 24 Sep 2010 1:42 PM
From: United States
Abc, far be it from me to insert myself into these inter country arguments. but, as a person from England, you are in no position to be critical of Americans for their tipping habits. your people are among the cheapest i have seen, while Americans are known for being ridiculous tippers.
Written by: dreadlocks, 24 Sep 2010 1:44 PM
From: United States
ABC reminds

Another person you might need to tip at a four-star restaurant is the coat check attendant. Tipping $1 for one or two coats is fine


i shall bear that in mind the next time i go to the coat check at Vizcaya. if i wear the ermine coat, i will add 50 cents per.
Written by: dreadlocks, 24 Sep 2010 1:48 PM
From: United States
ABC,check this one out

Holiday tipping can clearly be a stressful situation - 15% of Brits have actually been confronted by staff on holiday for not leaving a tip. An unfortunate 6% have had their holiday ruined because of a tipping situation and over a quarter (27%) of Brits believe tipping should be abolished altogether, reveals the pan-European TripAdvisor research.
Written by: abc200, 24 Sep 2010 2:08 PM
From: United Kingdom, Dominican Republic
Yes, Hate left a big tip!

S.
Written by: abc200, 26 Sep 2010 10:29 AM
From: United Kingdom, Dominican Republic
Sounds as if the number of happy lobsters swimming in the sea will decline..........
http://video.nationalgeographic.c....rs-shrimp/lobster_locomotion.html
This is hate not being friendly to lobsters:
http://video.nationalgeographic.c....rs-shrimp/lobster_locomotion.html
S.
Written by: indapipe, 28 Sep 2010 1:01 AM
From: Canada
``The illegals roaming the streets of DR is a turn off for some tourists``

Do you mean the North American or the European illegals?
Written by: abc200, 2 Oct 2010 2:03 PM
From: United Kingdom, Dominican Republic
Yes, con-artists from US and Europe. A big turn-off especially the US ones.
S.
Written by: HateitorLOVEIT, 10 Oct 2010 10:00 PM
From: United States, Washington, DC
abc002

I'm sure whatever hospital that you escaped from is not looking for you... they probably felt that you would die due to pure stupidity......
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