Written by: BLANCO, 10 Mar 2011 9:57 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Garcia, speaking during the ITB Berlin tourism fair, called Dominican Republic the Caribbean region’s tourism powerhouse, as evidenced by the Dominican Golf Tour Operators Association award as the No.1 destination for Latin America and the Caribbean in 2009.
well whopeee crap for the golfers that come to the dr....what %age of the 4 milion????
Written by: BLANCO, 10 Mar 2011 9:59 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Another example is Puerto Rico, where he affirms electricity costs 12 U.S. cents per kilowatt, compared with as high as 30 cents locally.
now we are getting somewhere....how about violation of the condo law and the money that is suppose to be in the maintenance fund, but has been disttibuted to the OWNERS...
Written by: Grosero, 10 Mar 2011 10:03 AM
From: United States
I go to Costa Rica instead of the DR now. I got tired of being harrassed by the chicas and the goons. $45 dollars for a taxi ride??????
$30 for dinner????
The DR Dentist was pure waste ...
Go to costa rica
From: United States
"noting that the local tourism sector wasn't consulted. "
Why would they, you are shameless liars?
Only Punta Cana will survive.
Written by: Yucahu, 10 Mar 2011 10:10 AM
From: United States, Miami
Leonel Fernandez you should be ashamed of hurtinng your country. Your worse than George. W!!!!!!
From: United States
well, get out the lickin stick, because old Dreadlocks is about to sound off on DR tourism, and most of you just plain ain't going to like it. people go to Egypt, because only there can you find the Sphinx, and the pyramids. they go to the USA to see the statue of liberty, Ellis Island, the Grand Canyon, Disney World. they go to France for the spectacular cuisine, the Louvre, the art. Italy , ditto. they come to the DR for the same things that everyone within 20 degrees of latitude has...sun, and sand. in order to compete in that sweepstakes, you have to be the best at what you do. not because you build it means they will come. or, that , having come, they will return. the reality is that most guys from a certain age bracket come here for the chicas. they can get that in Brazil, Manila, Thailand, and many other places. as to the braying about the spectacular golf courses....there are more first class golf courses in Myrtle Beach than the entire DR.
From: United States
not to mention first class courses in other islands. the problem that most people who bray about how fabulous the DR is from a tourist standpoint suffer from is a lack of exposure. they do not know about anything beyond what is here. they believe that the other destinations in the caribbean are holes in the wall...wrong! until the ample potential of the DR is developed, it will remain a destination that attracts quantity, not quality. 4 million broke ass guys paying 600 dollars for a week of all inclusive drinking and burping, while the billionaires go to St Barts and Grand Cayman, and spend more on a bottle of wine than the charter tourists spend in 7 days.
From: Dominican Republic, vieja Santo Domingo
I used to go to Costa Rica but I think that San Jose is so polluted and the caribbean side of the country so dirty that it really only leaves the Pacific side and the wonderful interior with all the environmental safeguards .
Costa Rica does have some good places to visit but it is much less latin than the DR and I think less vibrant ,,just two different places .
BLANCO ..I think the development of the golf courses here in the DR is a wonderful idea to attract people who spend more here than those visiting the AI hotels and I could say the same thing about attracting the yachties .It is good to have a mix .
I also think the future success of our tourist business lies in the restoration of the NW and the sensitive development of the SW area of the DR , including the lake , the moutains and Baharoona
From: United States
Ricky states
BLANCO ..I think the development of the golf courses here in the DR is a wonderful idea to attract people who spend more here than those visiting the AI hotels and I could say the same thing about attracting the yachties .It is good to have a mix
Ricky, you do not get it. guys who go on vacation, and wish to get in a few rounds of golf, do not need Pebble Beach. a decent course will do. some hacker from Larchmont just wants some good grass, and some holes to knock the ball in. if some guy in the USA wants to go on a golf vacation, he will go to Myrtle Beach, where people understand what he is saying, and he can get immediate medical care if one of his fellow golfers forgets to yell "fore" before swinging lustily with the driver, and hits him in the noggin.
Written by: RoyStone, 10 Mar 2011 12:23 PM
From: Australia
@dreadlocks
I don´t like what you said about DR Tourism ... ´cause I was gonna say exactly the same thing!
From: United States
Ricky, let me be the bearer of bad tidings. the golfing community in the world is not that large. if you decide to build a tourist destination from golf courses, you have to compete against the established boys. sure, there will be golfers who want to play good courses. but, as i said, the guys who want to hack a few balls do not need Augusta. every caribbean island has good courses. some have better courses than here, with more tenured reputations. the DR has to develop some new idea, and stop following everyone else. there is ample opportunity. it just takes thinking. my close friend started the idea of family vacations, with nannies to take care of the kids, while mom and dad partied. then, he started the idea of a vacation resort where teenage boys and their dads could vacation together, and spend quality time. i mention this, because all we seem to have here is safari trucks and discos for sankies. oh, i forgot. golf courses.
Written by: RoyStone, 10 Mar 2011 12:41 PM
From: Australia
I recently returned to Juan Dolio where I stayed in a resort for a coupe of weeks, 18 months ago. It was quiet then - now it is almost dead. The resort has closed down, the Italian restaurant gone, the local shop has almost no stock, and the town looks like a deserted ghost town.
Stayed in a beautiful resort in La Romana - less than half full, ¨hot¨ food was almost cold and the service dreadful.
The north coast is a different story - many families on Sousa Beach and lots of guys kite-surfing off Carbarete Beach.
My impression is most of DR (including the capital) is a 3rd world rubbish tip, while the north coast is part of Europe, only tropical.
From: Dominican Republic, Puerto Plata
@RoyStone
I agree with you.
Cabarete is a haven for kite surfing, and attracts a crowd of young kids focused on their sport and on the nightlife. I believe there is only 1 hotel left in operation in Cabarete, but over the past years, condos have grown like mushrooms, and I don't have a clue whom they sell them to.
Sosua has redefined itself as a community for foreign retirees, from everywhere in the world.
It has a life of its own, and only has 2 hotels in operation. And with the new female mayor, the chicas are probably hiding under the sidewalks, because she's made eradicating prostitution her mission in life.
So, maybe all-inclusive tourism in the area is slooooooooooow, but recovery comes through relocation of expat baby boomers.
From: United States
careful ,Roy. you will most certainly offend some readers who believe that the DR is the Monte Carlo of the caribbean
Written by: RoyStone, 10 Mar 2011 1:35 PM
From: Australia
The only way to deal with the anti-social and criminal aspects of prostitution is to make it legal, as it is in Australia. The health and safety of the girls are protected, the criminal element is excluded, and it is confined to particular areas, away from children and prudes.
From: Puerto Rico
The DR is generally a place for 2 types of people. Expats of the lowly fare; those trying unsuccessfully to relive their youth amongst 3rd word womanly junkettes and International Businessmen with the experience to deal with corruption and the money to go along with it.
Do yourselves a favour, If you're not a part of the Jet-Set, stay home and bethink. That way your hard-earned retirement funds will last a longer amount of time...
Written by: RoyStone, 10 Mar 2011 3:01 PM
From: Australia
If DR tourism dies, DR dies. Period. Like it or not, it is DR¨biggest source of income.
Second is money sent home from Dominicans living and working overseas. This second source will diminish as their poor mums and dads die off, and the kids become foreign citizens. As the world is becoming more health-conscious the demand for tobacco, rum and sugar exports is declining. Furthermore remaining Dominicans don´t have the work ethic or the skills to develop manufacturing, software development, etc.
@dreadlocks, is right - sunshine, beaches and golf courses are not enough to attract or keep sufficient tourists. There is an over-supply of luxury resorts around the world, and as carbon trading and taxation kicks in, long distance air travel will become too expensive for many.
Meanwhile DR has to contend with and increasing uneducated population (courtesy of unmarried adolescent mothers and Haitian illegal immigration).
Any suggestions?
From: United States, New York City
DR has something that only two other islands in the caribbean have and that DR tourism rarely, if ever, highlights...namely AN ENTIRE WALLED MEDEIVAL CITY! The first European founded city with continuous settlement in the New World. I don't understand why the colonial zone isn't exploited in brochures, commercials, etc..
From: United States, Washington, DC
I believe part of the problem is how they treat tourist.....or gringos....They smile at you and that's about it! Other than that, everything else sucks compared to most other vacation spots in the caribbean. And now that they're economically suffering... it's going get a hell of a lot worse! If the country's economy is based on a service industry then they should provide the best service possible! That does not happen.
Written by: lovingit, 10 Mar 2011 4:19 PM
From: United States, Delaware
@Grosero
As I had mentioned on another post, I just visited both Costa Rica and Nicaragua, and although these places are all wonderful in their own way and the DR could learn some best practices from these nations, just like they could learn a lot from DR, when it comes down to the overall, The DR has nothing it could say it envies from these other nations.
Two things DR has to solve to make tourist feel safer and not harassed are:
Hustling Street Vendors:
Dominicans learn need to learn that being pushy in trying to sell something just scares the tourists away. Costa Ricans from what I experienced, don't put pressure to buy, they let the tourist look at what they have and use smart selling tactics.
Peddlers do scare tourists. Nicaragua is probably worse than DR though (didn't experience it in Costa Rica at all)... though, many of our peddlers are Haitian, and if we solve that problem then that would take a huge chunk out of the peddling problems.
Written by: lovingit, 10 Mar 2011 4:24 PM
From: United States, Delaware
...cont
If our social system and education was better, then we would have a larger number of skilled workers, thus reducing the number of peddlers and street vendors that hustle so much because they have to buy that carton of milk.
As for prices.. Costa Rica is expensive. From Liberia Airport to my hotel (18km ride) the official Taxi wanted to charge $65 USD and I was able to get it for $60.. which is still a rip off. The Taxis at the hotel charge $50 USD for the same trip. I actually did better by renting a car @$41 USD for a day. The rent car was right on the hotel, which gave me the flexibility to drive to many places and return the car to the rental office at the airport... If more people knew this, these overpriced Taxis would need to scale back on their inflated pricing.
From: Dominican Republic, vieja Santo Domingo
Roy Stone ,,now that we know your views about the DR , see above , and people with faith ,I have deep sympathy that you have to live here ,,and what makes you think that prositution is illegal here .
I feel equally sorry for Dreads who thinks other Caribbean countries have better golf courses than the DR ..wrong ,,,the DR has by far the best collection of golf courses in the Caribbean and in Latin America by miles and the golf tourist trade will get even better after the various resorts and clubs package their golfing holidays .
The DR is nothing like Monte Carlo ..it is far more diverse and interesting and yes ,,you are correct , cibaeno ,,we have the wonderful walled city .
Whether other countries are sometimes doing better or not I do not know, but our own industry has been constantly changing to suit demand and it is only those areas that have stayed poorly maintained that are experiencing real problems .
Written by: Atabey, 10 Mar 2011 5:22 PM
From: United States, NYC
Dread makes a strong case and the DR has to show it can prove the naysayers wrong. How to do this? First, DR needs to improve its human capital. There exist no greater long-term engine for future prosperity than having a well developed and creative human population. Capitalist will fight for the opportunity to invest in a place with cheap, well educated people with rule of law standards. But time and again, the leaders of DR have not demonstrated any capacity for seeing these three pillars of prosperity gain systemic foundations in DR. So the naysayers roar with delight at the contradictions. Are they wrong for being so negative? While it's true that past and current trends leave much to be desired, I still harbor thoughts that DR will one day develop the maturity and decent respect for their own people to see through a modernization worth the name. The issue of Haiti has greatly impacted the ability and modernization of DR.
Written by: Atabey, 10 Mar 2011 5:24 PM
From: United States, NYC
20 million people on this island are 10 million too many. No fellow Caribbean island that had the poorest nation in the Western Hemisphere as its neighbor would be without significant problems. Jamaica would be significantly worse off if she had to divide her island with the poorest member of the Western Hemisphere.
But the world is as is and not as we would like it to be. So DR has to tackle and grapple with her Haitian Problem and learn how to deal with it. Of course, this gets us to the on-going issue of Rule of Law problem in DR. DR will never manage its Haitian Problem unless it becomes a land where the rule of Law operates. Controlling the border and Institutionalizing a Workers Permit Program and thus seeking to manage the surplus labor conditions that prevail in the neighboring state of Haiti is the way to go. And spending more on quality educational programs for the entire DR population will greatly help things.
From: United States, New York City
" Institutionalizing a Workers Permit Program and thus seeking to manage the surplus labor conditions that prevail in the neighboring state of Haiti is the way to go."
I disagree. In a third world country such as DR where local unemployment is rampant it would be a fools errand to placate workers from some other nation without taking care of the native population first. There's plenty of "surplus labor" amongst DR's locals.
Written by: RoyStone, 10 Mar 2011 5:59 PM
From: Australia
@Ricardolito
Thank you for your sympathy but it is not required.
I stand corrected if you are right in saying prostitution is legal here.
It exists in every country, whether it is legal or not. It is particularly prevalent in countries with a large, poorly educated underclass, where women are oppressed and law enforcement is corrupt. Sounds familiar?
Written by: Atabey, 10 Mar 2011 6:14 PM
From: United States, NYC
Cibaeno75,
Yes, under ideal conditions we in the DR would only offer employment opportunity to the multitude of unemployed Dominicans. But we don't live under ideal conditions; and like it or not, the Haitian labor component is a fact of Dominican life. In fact, Myth to the contrary, I've been reading about how Trujillo himself was instrumental in promoting its use within DR. The issue is how to utilize it and integrate the Dominican component moving forward. There are many as yet un-built infrastructural developments requiring massive amounts of human labor in DR and especially in Haiti. The Haiti developments will use Haitian labor for all but the management and upper technical levels. The DR investments will likely use both labor components. Economic efficiencies and extending the investment dollars will necessitate Haitian labor in DR's infrastructure developments. I see no problem with this as long as the rule of law prevails and REAL documentation rule the day.
Written by: RoyStone, 10 Mar 2011 6:23 PM
From: Australia
@cibaeño75
Please tell me how to find the historic, entirely walled medieval city you spoke of!
I was so looking forward to seeing historic buildings and relics of Columbus in Santo Domingo. I have been many times to the Colonial Zone which has almost none of these - just American fast-food chains and crappy tourist trinkets made in China. No surprise that savvy tourists fly direct to the north coast and skip the capital altogether.
I do not think there is ¨rampant unemployment ¨ here - more like ¨rampant non-employment¨. Many of the people here only work to get enough food and beer for today, and worry about tomorrow when it comes. Dominicans that do want to work and earn good money are in USA doing the jobs Americans don´t want to do, just as Haitians are doing the jobs here that Dominicans don´t want to do.
Written by: RoyStone, 10 Mar 2011 6:31 PM
From: Australia
@Atabey
I agree DR cannot attract foreign investment as long as people do not believe in the rule of law.
In every country where most people believe in Jesus, respect for the law is very low on the list, as evidenced by the high level of violent crime amongst the poor and corruption amongst the rich.
From: Dominican Republic, vieja Santo Domingo
strange thing RoyStone is that in another story here today ,,you will see that foreign investment is at a high and at a better level than other latin countries .I am suggesting that you may have a very big chip on your shoulder about religion and that your suggestion of correlation between believers and lawlessness is completely your own notion to try to belittle believers ,
How about trying to adapt to your new country instead of always trying to pull it down .
Written by: synapse, 10 Mar 2011 9:10 PM
From: United States
Dread has made most of my points. But to summarize the current state of DR Tourism in one word, -suffice it to say "Immature".
What do you expect from a nation that took too many more decades, compared to its neighbor nations, to realize that it was its highest economic growth industry opportunity.
You can't grow without suffering growing pains and the sooner Garcia admits it the better. Now it is the painful part with the social problems, poverty that comes from All Inclusives that don't benefit the local community and only support slave wages. The lack of infrastructure and security will always play catch up as it matures. Lets just hope the Island destination doesn't implode from blood sucking corruption prior to reaching maturity.
Written by: lovingit, 10 Mar 2011 9:29 PM
From: United States, Delaware
@Rico
I totally agree with you regarding high foreign investment in DR. Our corrupt politicians and lack of transparency have not allowed the full potential to take place, but investments still come in at some of the highest rates in Latin America.
Written by: lovingit, 10 Mar 2011 9:31 PM
From: United States, Delaware
@Roy
If foreign investment stayed away from DR then
Why then DR was chosen as the first IKEA in Latin America?
Why German investors invested in Helados Bon?
Why is the Latin American Stock Exchange is being built in the DR?
Why Carlos Slim (second Riches Man in the world) bought DR Verizon/Codetel?
These are just few examples for a many... why? why? why?
Roy, there are many things you say that make sense, but your overall attitude to the DR is very poor and, not sure what you are doing in the DR, but whatever it is, with your attitude, I am sure Dominicans would be better off without you, go home and be happy.
BTW.. There there are tons of us Dominicans in the US that are highly educated professionals and do much more than the "job" Americans don't want.. we also do the job Americans can't do, especially those requiring bilingual proficiency. American's, unlike Europeans, are very far behind in learning a second language, which is required in this global economy.
From: Dominican Republic, vieja Santo Domingo
lovingit ,,yes I agree that the level of overseas investment would be even higher if there was more honest and transperent government
You could have mentioned Orange and Cisneros investing here also and Ferreteria Americana and the list goes on.
I hope that Roy finds his feet here , if he stays here , and can have a little more respect for Dominicans ,I was wondering what would happen to a Dominican who was settling in Australia and said those things about Australia ...he would have few friends .
Written by: RoyStone, 10 Mar 2011 10:10 PM
From: Australia
@ovingit,
I do not know all the answers - maybe you can fill me in
Why then DR was chosen as the first IKEA in Latin America? - are they designing and manufacturing here or just importing and selling there stuff here?
Why German investors invested in Helados Bon?
Is this for export or cashing in on the local market?
Why is the Latin American Stock Exchange is being built in the DR?
I have no idea - however stock exchanges, like economists, don¨t actually make anything and employ very few, sometimes make fortunes and sometimes destroy them
Why Carlos Slim (second Riches Man in the world) bought DR Verizon/Codetel?
Again is it for export or just the local market ... I don´t know
now some questions for you - if DR is such a great place to live, work and invest, why are you in USA?
Did you receive your high level of education entirely in DR?
Written by: Atabey, 10 Mar 2011 10:35 PM
From: United States, NYC
RoyStone,
The DR had a chance back in the late 60's after the Constitutionalists were denied victory over the old Trujillato. But unfortunately for us Balaguer and his gang didn't accept the Export Led Model offered by the USA. The same model that South Korea used to advance from poorer than DR status to modern day Advance modernization status in the World. The long bitter journey paved with tough long working schedules, long school hours, and other sacrifices were not implemented. Half measures were taken, NO National Education system worth the name was advanced, and the peso was kept overvalued against the dollar. DR lost an incredible opportunity. :(
Written by: RoyStone, 10 Mar 2011 10:35 PM
From: Australia
@ovingit
Regarding being bilingual, I confess I am not and wish I was. Australians are less bi-lingual than Americans - for the same reasonAmericans are less than Europeans - history and geography.
Europeans have have always had foreigners as very close neighbors. USA, although predominantly colonized by the British, also had French, Spanish and other settlements. Not so Australia.
Perhaps with the internet and American dominance of commerce, all the world will eventually speak (American) English?
Written by: curios1, 10 Mar 2011 10:42 PM
From: United States, right where im standin
over the years i have come to love the dr. especialy the zona colonial. just dont mess with my little corner, my hotel of the world.
Written by: RoyStone, 10 Mar 2011 10:48 PM
From: Australia
@Atabey,
I take your points.
As far as I know, Truilljo was a brutal, dictatorial, egotistical dictator. However he did bring the DR into the 20th century. If you want to make omelets, you have to break eggs.
Regarding tourist sites, I found his house much more interesting than the Colonial Zone. Also the Pommier Caves are near here too, with drawings from the Taino Indians.
Written by: caonabo, 11 Mar 2011 12:20 AM
From: United States
RoyStone
For a guy that slams very prolifically the Dominican Republic in these pages, you still keep coming back. Umm I wonder what for. You also spend alot of time blogging about it too. You are a funny guy.
Written by: tomito, 11 Mar 2011 12:37 AM
From: United States
After reading some valid points here and also a lot of BS, let's see:
DR= Number one destination in the caribbean with more tourists visiting every year, surpassing in a relatively short time other islands that have done so for a living for much longer.
Infrastructure: Neither Cuba nor Jamaica has better, PR does but that's part of the US and lacks the flavor of a tropical island with all the federal laws and regulations (sometimes good, sometimes ridiculous) and the "I will sue you if you fart next to me attitude".
Golf Courses: The best in the region, Myrtle and Augusta (perhaps better cared for, not as beautiful as the ones at Cap Cana or Casa de Campo's Teeth of the Dog. After a few rounds, again no caribbean.
Women: Should I really have to explain... Thailand? Costa Rica? pleeease...
Culture: The best of the Caribbean without "the comunism".
Capital City: By far the most vibrant of the entire region including other parts of the hemisphere.
Continue...
Written by: tomito, 11 Mar 2011 1:06 AM
From: United States
Economy: Largest GDP and Direct Foreign Investment in the region and increasing to the tune of 7% in recent years with a much bigger middle and upper class including Central America.
Roads and Highways: Have improved a lot in the last 30 years and still improving. Again, neither Jamaica nor Cuba has better and the rest of the islands for the most part are nothing more than big "sand bars" so a bike or a scooter would suffice.
Corruption: Not unique to the DR but well developed, a lot of room for improvement, but again we're not alone.
Crime: relatively low given the circumstances and the size of the population and in comparison with some of our closest competitors such as Jamaica, Mexico and PR, even lower in tourist areas.
Destination Options: There is not much you can do in other neighboring destinations that you could not do in the DR. Even gambling and Prostitution legal in DR ,just like Vegas without the huge hotels but with the prinstine beaches instead of a desert.
Written by: tomito, 11 Mar 2011 1:18 AM
From: United States
Continue...
Is this a sign of a "Decaying Tourism Industry"? I think the numbers speak for themselves. I sometimes laugh at the "Gloom and Doom " fanatics that don't yet comprehend the dynamics of the DR and its people. Don't hold your breath, DR tourism is a reality, not perfect but is here to stay for a long time nonetheless, and by the way, "Savvy" visitors don't skip SDQ over POP, maybe just the ones that like windsurfing and don't know any better, or simply can't afford it.
Conclusion: The DR is a "Developing Country" with lots of room for improvement, but it has improved a lot in the last 25 years, only those who lived in the DR then and compare it with today's can attest to the magnitude of the difference and yes some of the problems still persist.
From: Dominican Republic, vieja Santo Domingo
curios1 I agree with you 100%
From: Dominican Republic, vieja Santo Domingo
TOMITO yes yes yes brilliantly written and I agree that DR is a wonderful country still with faults
From: United States
Ricky offers this bit of education
I feel equally sorry for Dreads who thinks other Caribbean countries have better golf courses than the DR ..wrong ,,,the DR has by far the best collection of golf courses in the Caribbean and in Latin America by miles
by far, Ricky? by far better than HALF MOON, TRYALL, CINNAMON HILL? miles better? which planet do you live on? you need to get around, son. you read too many puff pieces , by your own spinmeisters. reviewers all have their ideas of what is good, and what is great. some see Cinnamon Hill as one of the five best courses in the world. some might think otherwise. but, do not get carried away with the hype, Ricky. the DR is new to the game, and has a lot to learn from other guys who have been honing their tools for decades. i will give all the props to the courses at La Romana, and the Punta Cana area. but to claim that they are ¨miles ahead¨is asinine.
Written by: Rainman, 11 Mar 2011 10:56 AM
From: United States
DR has a lot to learn to cultivate the european and north american tourism, first they need to protect and guarantee the safety of the visitors including investors, expats and tourists. Second they need to improve the service and the facilities in many areas. If they dont do that whey will fall behind all the other islands in the caribbean basin including bahamas and jamaica.
Unless the government and the people recognize and understand the country's dependency on the tourism industry
From: United States
tomito goes on an uncontrolled, incoherent rant, offering this gem of observation
Culture: The best of the Caribbean without "the comunism".
what the hell does that mean? what do you understand culture to mean? are you one of those nitwits who come in this page and tell us that the DR has the best food and music in the region? i mean, just what do you mean by some of this crap? i responded to Ricky about golf courses. i will not bother to debate you, because it would be a fools errand. i just need you to explain what on earth you mean by ¨best culture of the caribbean¨. think it over before you respond, and try to say something intelligent. i am a cantankerous, conrontational sort, and i do not suffer nonsense gladly. please try to make some sense with your reply, or eschew replying at all.
From: United States
more silliness from tomito
Crime: relatively low given the circumstances and the size of the population and in comparison with some of our closest competitors such as Jamaica, Mexico and PR, even lower in tourist areas.
tomito, kindly enlighten me on how many foreigners have died at the hands of Dominicans, and how many have died at the hands of Jamaicans, in the last two years. being of jamaican descent, i can speak to the issue of violence in jamaica. it is tribal political nonsense, and it is very intense and deadly. but, unlike you report in your inaccurate follies, it does not extend to the tourist areas. far more ¨gringos¨have died at the hands of Dominicans than at the hands of jamaicans. you need to get out more often, and do some research. try to know something before you post these idiocies.
From: United States
oh, jeezus. tomito, what is this?
my: Largest GDP and Direct Foreign Investment in the region and increasing to the tune of 7% in recent years with a much bigger middle and upper class including Central America.
much bigger upper and middle class? than who? is this per capita? explain . please....??????
Written by: lovingit, 11 Mar 2011 1:21 PM
From: United States, Delaware
@Roy
Those questions about why investments occur were rethorical questions... Whether that money stays locally or not is not the point, the point is that investments occur and help the Dominican economy because they employ people in the country.
As for my high level of education?
I got it at both the DR and US. I want to clarify one thing about DRs education problem and that is that this education issue, unfortunately, affects the less fortunate who go to public schools or low income private schools. I am personally from an upper middle class family and my level of basic education (Reading, Math, Science, etc) was EASILY 2-3 levels higher than that of my American counterparts when I came into the US.
So please don't get caught up on the education thing and assume education is bad everywhere.
Written by: lovingit, 11 Mar 2011 1:34 PM
From: United States, Delaware
@Roy .. cont
Why am I in the US? Its called the path of life, why are you in DR?
I came to the US on a student visa to develop my English, once here though, I got involved with Computers and IT, and since that field was relative new in the DR at that time, I thought it would be best to also do college in the U.S, especially since I was in close proximity to one of the top schools in the US for Computer Science. After college I got recruited by a major US financial firm.
If I wanted to become a Doctor, I probably would have gone back to the DR and studied at UNIBE (one of the few colleges outside of the US for which the US accepts as a credited institution for the person to also practice medicine in the US without much red tape)
So, I am employed, bought a house and I am attached to the US. Do I want to come back to DR? Of course, but things aren't as easy to get up and go... but if the opportunity arises, I'll be there. Maybe when the Latin American Stock Exchange is complete
Written by: RoyStone, 11 Mar 2011 1:43 PM
From: Australia
According to the latest figures from the CIA Fact Book, average GDP per head in $US as follows -
Haiti 700
Nicaragua 1,100
Honduras 1,900
Guatemala 3,000
Jamaica 4,800
Cuba 5,00
Dominica 5,100
Dominican Republic 5,200
Saint Vincent and the Grenadines 5,500
Montenegro 5,800
Grenada 6,000
Saint Lucia 6,100
Colombia 6,400
Costa Rica 7,700
Panama 7,900
Argentina 8.500
Mexico 9,000
Brazil 10,000
Venezuela 10,400
Saint Kitts and Nevis 11,200
Antigua and Barbuda 12,700
Barbados 13,900
Trinidad and Tobago 17,200
Puerto Rico 23,500
British Virgin Islands 45,500
Largest GDP and Direct Foreign Investment in the region and increasing to the tune of 7% in recent years with a much bigger middle and upper class including Central America? Not according to the facts, especially when you consider Brazil has population of 191 million and Dominican Republic is 9.9 million.
Written by: tomito, 11 Mar 2011 1:45 PM
From: United States
Dear Dread, please calm down, you sound you jumped off a chair, I'm assuming you agreed with the rest of my post since you did not question it but if you don't, let me know and I will kindly explain. I'll try to make this short, well here it goes:
1) Culture: Biggest carnival in the region, great music, best and coldest beer, rum (equal or better), best cigars, hospitality by its people, diversed etnicity (not just blacks like many of our neighbors), etc.
2) Crime: a much bigger problem in Jamaica regardless of the cause (there's always a cause for crime, otherwise there would be none), second I specifically noted crime is lower in tourist areas; I never said more "gringos" die in the hands of Dominicans or that more gringos die in the hands of Jamaicans (bring me some of your research you encourage others to do), but remember crime is not just murder. Even if that was the case, you have to consider the DR receives a much bigger number of tourists than Jamaica.
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Written by: tomito, 11 Mar 2011 1:48 PM
From: United States
3) GDP: Largest in the region,including Central America, "This is NOT per capita" (please READ more carefully). Same goes for the upper and middle class.
Written by: RoyStone, 11 Mar 2011 1:51 PM
From: Australia
While on the subject, the population growth rate in Cuba, Jamaica and Dominica is well below the world average. The rest of Latin America and the Caribbean is well above it.
Written by: tomito, 11 Mar 2011 1:55 PM
From: United States
Dear Roystone, like I told Dread I take it you agree with everything else I posted since you did not question it, otherwise let me know. As per your wonderful chart:
Plase READ more carefully, I never said "PER CAPITA". When investors both local and foreign open a new "Jumbo Super Market" or IKEA or a new mall, they don't think "Per Capita" but rather how many people have the purchasing power in a given area. As to the Brazil argument, I don't know what the Aussies taught you but you need to purchase a big map and hang it on you wall, BRAZIL IS NOT IN CENTRAL AMERICA.
From: Dominican Republic, vieja Santo Domingo
extraordinary how dreadlocks. from Jamaica, whom I have never seen in any golf event here in the DR or in the caribbean or at any club event can now become an expert at golf courses in the caribbean ,,I think I know most of the decent Jamaican players and Dreads is not on the list .But what does it matter what he thinks as long as the golf courses here in the DR are bringing in good business.
Written by: RoyStone, 11 Mar 2011 2:14 PM
From: Australia
1) Culture: Biggest carnival in the region
What do yo mean by region - Hispaniola? You are probably right. Latin America? I went to the DR capital of carnival, La Vega. Very disappointing. Guys in fancy dress walking around hitting people with cloth-covered balloons on string, to the deafening sound of hyper-amplified brain-dead electronic Hip-Hop noise.
I have also been to Carnival in Sao Paulo - also in Latin America. A real, world-class Carnival! Makes La Vega look like a line-up at a kindergarten tuck-shop.
Written by: RoyStone, 11 Mar 2011 2:18 PM
From: Australia
GDP per country is meaningless since the size and population of countries differ by orders of magnitude. GDP per head is the only meaningful measure of economic or social success.
Written by: RoyStone, 11 Mar 2011 2:39 PM
From: Australia
Murder rate in DR is 22 per 100,000 population. Much higher than 1.3 in Australia, but the same as in Haiti and Brazil, and much lower than most other Caribbean and Central American countries, with El Salvador 71, Honduras 67, Jamaica 60, Guatemala 52, Venezuela 49, Trinidad and Tobago 43, Colombia 35. Cuba by contrast is only 5.5
Rates in tourist areas, and those involving tourist may be much lower. However for many tourists, perception is reality.
From: Dominican Republic, vieja Santo Domingo
RoyStone, soon you may be able to post something that says you enjoyed it ..so far we know you think the DR is a third world rubbish dump , you do not like the resorts, you do not like Zona Colonial and you did not like the la Vega carnival and you do not like the faith here and the list is longer ..Do you think all Australians would write as you or that most would have a little more discretion?? I take it that you were raised in a way to say what you think without considering the feelings of others ..they just have to lump it .Do you think that your remarks may be insensitive to most Dominicans living here??
Written by: JEM237, 11 Mar 2011 3:25 PM
From: United States, In your mind
Ricardolito,
I agree with your post about RoyStone above and to further your point, it's interesting how for someone who has so much rubbish to say about DR, has kept coming back for seconds. If DR sucks so much, why has he kept coming back to all those other places in DR??? Gotta love the irony.
Written by: tomito, 11 Mar 2011 4:02 PM
From: United States
Dear Roystone, when I referred to DR's economy being the largest and increasing, was not to reflect "social economic success" but rather to point out one of many facts that a fast growing GDP is by no means a sign of or the result of a decaying tourism industry. If you want to talk about "social economic success" which has also improved in recent years even "Per Capita" and including PPP (Power Purchasing Parity) measurements I will be glad to do so. Also I don't know why you keep comparing Australia with DR, I don't think I referred to that but rather "Central America", now I know that you know Central America is not anywhere near "down under".
"Perception is Reality", I agree to some extent and "perception" is one of the reasons why we continue to receive more visitors than any other country in the Caribbean, again "including CENTRAL AMERICA".
Written by: curios1, 11 Mar 2011 8:54 PM
From: United States, right where im standin
im a cigar smoker ! i was once asked by a friend whats a good cigar. and i replied the one you enjoy. another friend asked me once whats so great about the dr you seem to spend all your vacations there ? i simply replied its the place i enjoy the most. among a few other special reasons, and despite all its other problems. that i feel will get better . ALL IN TIME !
Written by: RoyStone, 11 Mar 2011 11:59 PM
From: Australia
To those I have offended with my criticism of DR, I apologise. However remember this is a blog site to comment on articles in Dominican Today, not a mutual flattery competition. Some have justifiably asked if I think DR is such a dump, why do I keep comming back.
DR has some wonderful places and fabulous people. I just get frustrated that some of the beauy provided by nature (God to some, 4.5 billion years of evolution to others) is being destroyed.
I have been very involved in environmental projects clean-up including some provate pilot studies.
I presented a report in a meeting with your Deputy Minister for the Environment. She was very attentive and encouraging, however I think was dissappointed that I was not a wealthy benefactor or representative of the Australian governmnet with a big cheque-book.
From: Dominican Republic, vieja Santo Domingo
I really would have enjoyed the apology if it had not been followed by such a poor justification for the tasteless comments and as for the Government visit ,If you said things to her in the same way you write here I am sure she was most offended as Dominicans here are on DT ,,,Dreadlocks is from another island and has few sensitivities .
Manners maketh man and are welcome even more when a person is a visitor in a country or in a home .
From: United States
tomito, i did not agree with anything you said, simply because i did not argue. it is patently obvious that you know LESS THAN NOTHING about the rest of the region, and therefore make your dim witted remarks, such as
1) Culture: Biggest carnival in the region, great music, best and coldest beer, rum (equal or better), best cigars, hospitality by its people, diversed etnicity (not just blacks like many of our neighbors), etc.
first of all, you really should not put your ignorance on display for all to see. biggest carnival? ever heard of a country called Trinidad? Trinidad carnival makes the DR carnival look like a bunch of amateurs. it is carnival in Rio, on a smaller scale. great music? you mean greater than salsa and reggae? i guess we will now be hearing that Antony Santos is greater than Bob Marley was?best beer? says who? beer is an acquired taste, and everyone thinks that their beer is best. guys who are fond of lagers will give the nod to Red Stripe,
From: United States
which is a far more internationally known brand than presidente. as for coldest...hmmm. for cold beer, you need refrigeration. for refrigeration, you need electricity...hmmm. diverse ethnicity....not just blacks. are you serious? have you ever been anywhere? which caribbean island is just blacks? and since when is that a drawback? does that statement mean that Sweden and Norway are also inferior culturally , because they are mainly whites? are you retarded? and, if the hospitality was so great, how come your own Haydee Rainieri laments the fact that the DR has the lowest tourism return rate in the region? tomito, you are a waste of my time.
From: United States
Ricardolito, there was a time when i was almost inclined to think that you might actually have a shred of intelligence, but i retract that assessment, having read this monument to ignorance and stupidity
extraordinary how dreadlocks. from Jamaica, whom I have never seen in any golf event here in the DR or in the caribbean or at any club event can now become an expert at golf courses in the caribbean ,
since when do i have to play a sport to be able to read what others think of the courses? i do not have to assess something based on my personal experiences, Ricky. if i were to say that the old Nurburgring was one of the most dangerous race car circuits, does that mean that i would only be allowed to if i had driven it in a race car, myself? or, could i rely on the assessments of others, who had done so? or, am i allowed to quote the findings of fighter pilots, who assess one plane to be better, more agile than the other? after all, i have never been a pilot, myself.
From: United States
i am astonished that someone who makes such simpleminded remarks is teaching kids. maybe the 4% will be wasted, because the problem lies in the capability of the teachers..or lack thereof.
From: United States
RoyStone, i can understand why it is that some pèople feel that guys like you and i come down hard on the DR in out comments. here is where i am coming from. the DR has more potential than any other island in the region, at least, currently. a free market Cuba could change that dynamic. with proper management, it could be way ahead of the rest of the area, in most respects. however, when guys like tomito come on the board, and try to make it an üs vs them¨competition, i just go ballistic. because, all the nonsensical assessments come crawling ot of the woodwork. things like ¨greatest music¨ ,best food, prettiest women, etc. all subjective follies, which cannot be debated, because they cannot be measured. i know a gazillion people who hate jerk chicken, but, at least, everyone in the world knows that it is jamaican. there is no parallel dish, which is known to be dominican. i prefer the taste of cafe Santo Domingo myself, but it is not Blue Mountain Coffee, which i do not care for.
From: United States
tomito speaks of the superior infrastructure...never explaining if that includes such niceties like a functioning electricity sector, and decent telephone, and internet. i love the DR just as much as the next guy. what i cannot abide is guys who try to make this regional thing a contest.
Written by: RoyStone, 12 Mar 2011 1:10 PM
From: Australia
@dreadlocks,
Thank you, my sentiments and observations too.
Written by: RoyStone, 12 Mar 2011 1:27 PM
From: Australia
When discussing ¨the region¨ we need to be clear which region we mean - Island of Hispaniola, the Greater Antilles, the Caribbean, or do we include Central America or the whole of Latin America?
I believe the Caribbean is at a critical crossroad tourism wise, and many dramatic changes are likely, some being out of the control of DR.
We are a long way from Japan however the recent spate of serious earthquakes makes many tourists, especially Americans, reluctant to holiday in such places.
Cuba is the one to watch for a number of reasons. It is also in a seismic zone, but perhaps not as extreme as Hispanola - I dont know and need to do more research. Cuba's main impediment is political. Communism and a former enemy of the west during the Cold War. However relations with USA and the Obama administration are thawing, and so may be Communism. China is still a Communist country by it now has an enormous tourist trade from Australia.
Written by: tomito, 12 Mar 2011 1:39 PM
From: United States
Dear Dread, I'm sorry to hear that you go "ballistic" over a simple debate, life's too short my friend. I'm familiar with Trinida's Carnival which is very good, however you can't compare a 2 day Calypso event with the oldest Carnival in the Americas which lasts more than a month !
Red Stripes is good and so is Appleton rum but not better than Presidente (vestida de novia) or Brugal or even Barcelo. Refrigeration comes from electricity, but you will never be served a warm beer in the DR, what we would consider a warm beer could be considered cold around the world. Half of the DR population don't pay for electricity which means they get it for free (not 24 hrs but free nonetheless), we are one of the few countries in the world that provides free electricity for the poor and provide a decent meal for just 5 pesos a plate in "comedores economicos" around the nation. I never heard of jerk chicken, if it is as bad as you say, that's probably the reason. Continue...
Written by: RoyStone, 12 Mar 2011 1:44 PM
From: Australia
When Australians think of the Caribbean they imagine banana republics, Cuban cigars, Jamaican rum, Reggae music played on steel drums, coconut palms and tropical sandy beaches. We have all these things in Australia in abundance, and dare I say, tourism is better developed than here. When we go to another country we are hoping to experience a different, exotic culture. We want to be with people who don't look, talk, dance or think like us. The Caribbean has that. Australia has some good things but also some very bad and stupid things too. DR does also, but they are very different things. If we were all the same, then why go anywhere?
Written by: tomito, 12 Mar 2011 1:49 PM
From: United States
Salsa is good and we play it (Michelle, Sexappeal, Asdrubal, Raulin Rosendo, etc) just like Cubans or PR's play Merengue and Bachata. Reggae was popular in the 70's, Marley died decades ago and took it with him as Ziggy could not quite fill his shoes, UB40's last hit was in the midi 80s. On the other hand Merengue (de calle) is still popular in the US and Europe and Bachata has taken the world by storm.
I never said being black is a "drawback", but rather to emphasize the value of a more diversed ethnicity, as they say "Variety is the Spice of Life". As to the women, oh no, you didn't...
Written by: RoyStone, 12 Mar 2011 2:13 PM
From: Australia
@tomito
Regarding ¨oldest Carnival in the Americas which lasts more than a month¨
age or duration is no substitute for intensity or excitement.
I don't know why everything in DR is so drawn out.
Xmas lasts from the beginning of October to the end of January.
Meringue is the same two-chord progression repeated 256 times.
Written by: tomito, 12 Mar 2011 3:37 PM
From: United States
Dear Roystone, maybe some Aussies are scared to travel to the caribbean because of earthquakes, certainly not the other millions that actually go, I myself woud probably be more afraid of having a close encounter with one of your "salties' (biggest crocodile in the world) famous for roaming the beaches of 'Down Under", I'm sure you are familiar with the deadly "Irukandji jellyfish" one of the most poisonous creatures on earth and also a resident of Australia, or sea snakes etc, maybe the Australian tourists are trying to get away from that, instead of just seeing different people but I won't speculate on that, the fact is scared people need to stay home. I don't know why you keep comparing Australia to the DR, Australia is a huge country many many times bigger than the DR with a population of 22 million people yet it only attracts 5.6 million tourists a year.
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Written by: tomito, 12 Mar 2011 3:38 PM
From: United States
As to the Carnival, We're not substituting anything, our carnival is more intense. Yes we probably have the longest Christmas in the world, what can I say? We just party more and for longer, and this is proof.
Please download a map of the American Continent if you feel lost or have no idea where the different contries are or are not familiar with the regions, there are tons of free ones online.
Merengue? You don't know how to dance it, you just think you know, and no I don't know how to dance the very famous native music of Australia, what is it by the way? Is it the Cangaroo Dance? or the Koala dance ?
From: United States
tomito says this
I never heard of jerk chicken
then, maybe when you get out of your cave, and see the world, we can discuss things. if reggae died in the 80s, as you say, then why are your youth copying it in reggaeton? when did merengue die? as i said, i do not discuss issues like how cold beer is. that is for apostles of ignorance like you and Ricardolito. last i checked, 40 degrees in the DR was the same temperature as 40 degrees in Tibet. only an idiot would believe that his cold is colder. i also do not argue which beer is better, presidente or Red Stripe, since i have american friends who will drink neither, and who swear by budweiser. i understand guys like you, who believe that yours is the best of the best. that is ok. i myself like to put it to statistics. so, let us get some measurable categories into the mix. i submit
EDUCATION
ELECTRICITY
CHILD MORTALITY
GENDER INEQUALITY
HEALTH CARE
DISTRIBUTION OF WEALTH
PERCENTAGE OF POPULATION BELOW POVERTY LINE
From: United States
SANITATION AND POLLUTION
INTERNET AND OTHER COMMUNICATION
INNOVATIONS
INTERNATIONAL SPORTING ACHIEVEMENTS
DISEASE ERADICATION
sink your teeth into those categories, and let us get some real discussion going, rather than talkinf crap about beer. as to women...well, we have a third of your population, but boast more international beauty contest winners...hmmm..
From: United States
TOMITO,, i guess that tring to educate you is going to be an arduous task, so let me start simply. you have never heard of jerk chicken, so the beginning will be rocky, but i am a man of great perseverance. look at the websites of any major, renowned chef, such as Bobby Flay, Emeril Lagasse, Rachel Ray, Alton Brown, and others too numerous to mention, and you will see that they all have a recipe for it. secondly, since Dominican carnival is superior to T
From: United States
TOMITO,, i guess that trying to educate you is going to be an arduous task, so let me start simply. you have never heard of jerk chicken, so the beginning will be rocky, but i am a man of great perseverance. look at the websites of any major, renowned chef, such as Bobby Flay, Emeril Lagasse, Rachel Ray, Alton Brown, and others too numerous to mention, and you will see that they all have a recipe for it. secondly, since Dominican carnival is superior to Trinidad carnival, because of its length, than we can conclude that it is better than Mardi Gras in New Orleans, and carnivale in Rio, which only last a few days. finally, there is no consensus about which is the best rum, at least, not red rum. the only consensus i am aware of is that Appleton overproof is the best overproof in the world..Brugal Siglo de Oro is certainly a spectacular rum...no question there. but nobody will say it is definitively the best, without an argument from those who prefer something from Central America..
From: United States
Ricky Ricardo offers
I used to go to Costa Rica but I think that San Jose is so polluted and the caribbean side of the country so dirty that it really only leaves the Pacific side and the wonderful interior with all the environmental safeguards .
and i guess that Santo Domingo is pristine. yes, Ricky...with two of the world's most polluted sites on the top 10 list of most polluted places on earth...
Written by: RoyStone, 13 Mar 2011 3:39 PM
From: Australia
@tomito
It does not surprise me you are afraid to go to Australia through fear of crocodiles or jellyfish since you have obviously never been anywhere.
Australia has far more safe beaches in each state then the entire Caribbean. At DR beaches you have to wear shoes because is the broken glass on the beach and nasty sea-urchin stings in the water (one put me in hospital). DR flora has been decimated and DR fauna is almost non-existent. Despite human habitation many times longer than DR, Australia still has far greater diversity of birds and animals than DR.
Carnival ¨intense ¨ here ... are you kidding? I have seen more excitement at a Sunday-school picnic. Dominican Today couldn't even find a photo or article worth publishing on it.
Meringue would be the most boring music on the planet - 2 chords (dominant and tonic) repeated ad-nausium. Such an exciting dance - walking on the spot!
Written by: RoyStone, 13 Mar 2011 3:52 PM
From: Australia
@tomito
Four months Xmas is not an indication of DR partying. It is more an indication of the DR importers´ extended season for selling more rubbish to gullible, materialistic Xtians.
DR is very close to the worlds biggest, richest source of tourists, USA. Australia is much further from any major source of tourists, yet attracts more than DR. Also most tourists who go to DR only go once - the return rate is very low compared to other countries, especially Australia. The world population is exploding, however the number of international tourists is diminishing. Without returning tourists, DR tourism will eventually decline, if it is not happening already.
DR has some great attractions, but mostly not the ones you mention.
Written by: RoyStone, 13 Mar 2011 4:26 PM
From: Australia
One major deterrent to DR tourism, is it is very dangerous to drive here, for a number of reasons.
It is no surprise the DR has the second highest road accident fatality rate per 100,000 in the world.
If you are driving a car and involved in a collision with a motorcycle, you are in big, expensive trouble, even if it was not your fault.
Two days ago here in San Cristobal a driver on a main road hit a motorcycle at an intersection with a minor road. The rider was under age, had no license or learners permit, two paying child passengers and no helmets. The rider received minor injuries. The driver took the rider to hospital and paid for his x-rays. The driver was then locked up by police, despite the rider and passengers stating the driver was not at fault. The driver was only released after the rider´s parents decided not to exercise their right to demand compensation from the driver. The rider received not even a warning from police and says he will continue to ride unlicensed
Written by: tomito, 13 Mar 2011 7:54 PM
From: United States
Dear Dread, when I refer to coldest beer, I am talking about how the beer is served, tourists don't have a freezer in their room maybe just a tiny refrigerator, Dominican beer is served the coldest in the world, hands down.
Women: You talk about beauty pageants, yet I don't recall Jamaica winning the most important one of them Miss Universe. Your women as the rest of you are predominatly black, again not much variety.
Carnival: The Brazil carnival lasts about 3 weeks not just 2 days and draws 2 million people a day, New Orleans lasts 2 weeks, Trini's 2 day of Calypso and Soca does not quite cut it.
Jerk Chicken (Chicken for Jerks ?), Emeril Live ! please stop watching the food channel, they have recipes of many unknown stuff, like you said a gazilion people don't like it, if it's bad forget the recipes.
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Written by: tomito, 13 Mar 2011 8:16 PM
From: United States
Reggaeton, mostly a Puerto rican thing, the only similarity with reggae is the name, you better than anybody else should know it's not even close.
Sports: Yes you run faster, but just a handful of our robust number of MLB players make more money than all Jamaican athletes combined.
Electricity: Again we're the only country that provides free electricity to half of its population, but I agree the system needs a lot of improvement but Celso is taking steps towards it now.
Here you go cherry picking categories, we could be back and forth all day long just to give you an example, our GDP per capita (PPP) is higher than yours, life expectancy (healthcare ?), deaths per thousand, HIV per capita, etc and remember we have to carry more than 1 million haitians on our shoulders which affect our statistics a lot:
https://www.cia.gov/library/publi....-factbook/rankorder/2004rank.htmlhttps://www.cia.gov/library/publi....ns/the-world-factbook/geos/jm.htmWritten by: tomito, 13 Mar 2011 8:54 PM
From: United States
Dear Roystone, again you don't know how to dance merengue and please don't embarass yourself by trying, it may be boring to you but what was Australia's " world famous" native music again? The Cangaroo Dance ?
Yes Australia is bigger than the entire caribbean (Not Australia's fault) yet the caribbean attracts far more people than Australia, according to you because it's closer to the US (Not the Caribbean's fault).
Driving in the DR? Most tourists dont' drive but rather take cabs because they don't know their way around, that's normal, on the other hand I don't know where you get your statistics but our crash rate is similar to China, Costa Rica, India, Trinidad Tobago, St Lucia and European countries like Poland and lower than Mexico and Qatar, Russia and the UAE (Dubai and others) all of these tourist destinations:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List....ies_by_traffic-related_death_rateWritten by: RoyStone, 13 Mar 2011 11:55 PM
From: Australia
@tomito
Thank you for the link
Road deaths per 100,000
DR 17.3
Cuba 8.6
Australia 6.8
You say ¨most tourists dont' drive but rather take cabs because they don't know their way around¨,
Most DR cab drivers don't know their way around either - that is why they keep stopping to ask locals for directions.
What is a ¨Cangaroo¨?
Australia has had far more world-wide hits (popular music, not violence) than DR
Meringue is not world famous - Salsa is. From what I have seen, Salsa is as popular in DR as Meringue, but Dominicans do a very lazy form. When my son did Australian Salsa here they cleared the floor for him and his partner and cheered. The women then lined up do dance with him. His impression of Meringue? The most boring, lazy dance he has ever seen.
Written by: tomito, 14 Mar 2011 12:53 AM
From: United States
Dear Roystone: you are welcome. If you agreed with the link then it clearly shows you LIED by your statement of (let me refresh your memory):
" It is no surprise the DR has the second highest road accident fatality rate per 100,000 in the world "
Your credibility is in serious question.
and by the way:
DR: 17.3
Cuba: 8.6 (Of course, Not that many cars in Cuba)
Australia (A country of 22 million people the size of a continent, a lot more space to drive).
But as you can read on my previous post: "our crash rate is similar to China, Costa Rica, India, Trinidad Tobago, St Lucia and European countries like Poland and lower than Mexico and Qatar, Russia and the UAE (Dubai and others) all of these tourist destinations", proving Driving is not even close to being a deterrant to Tourism in the DR.
Written by: tomito, 14 Mar 2011 12:53 AM
From: United States
Cab drivers know their way around, that's another lie, when you call one they get to you in under 5 minutes in most cases (another of your lies).
Australia's native music, unknown to most people is way way far less known than Merengue or Bachata.
Cangaroo or Kangaroo :
http://www.google.com/search?sour....4ADFA_enUS377US377&q=cangarooAustralian Salsa, Are you kidding me ?
Written by: RoyStone, 14 Mar 2011 1:44 AM
From: Australia
@tomito, you asked
but what was Australia's " world famous" native music again? The Cangaroo Dance ?
CANGAROO, an acronym for Collaboration of Australia and Nippon (Japan) for a GAmma Ray Observatory in the Outback, is an international collaboration for the Gamma-ray Astrophysics, aiming to study the existence and properties of very high energy gamma rays from celestial objects in the southern sky by using imaging atmospheric Cherenkov telescopes at Woomera, Australia.
You were comparing Merengue and Bachata with Salsa and Reggee. No contest! Regardless none of then are ¨native¨ music - your forefathers exterminated the Caribbrand natives - Tainos and Caribs remenber? There is no real ¨native¨ Austraian music since Aborigines arrived long before the development of music.
¨our crash rate is similar to China, & India,¨
No surprise, - I have driven there too and they have terrible drivers just like here in DR.
From: United States
tomito, i would like to continue this discussion with you, but it appears that you are so ignorant and uninformed that i will have to take the following step. i am going to make a list of people, places, and things below. if you are unfamiliar with more than three entries, then i will cease this exchange here goes
YANKEE STADIUM
KOALA BEARS
HUGO CHAVEZ
DISNEY WORLD
NIAGARA FALLS
A BOOMERANG
you have got to be, hands down, the dumbest, most ignorant, uninformed, idiotic cretin that ever graced these pages. does your family know that you are making a spectacle of yourself on the internet, so the entire world can see what a moron you are? you make this statement
Sports: Yes you run faster, but just a handful of our robust number of MLB players make more money than all Jamaican athletes combined.
since when was money the measuring stick? besides, tomato, it is not just sprinters. ever heard of Lennox Lewis? Mike McCallum?Lloyd Honeygan?Razor Ruddock?
From: United States
Trevor Berbick? Simon Brown?ever heard of worrld bobsled champion, Lascelles Brown? yes, that is what i said...bobsled. when you can produce a bobsled team, that can beat both American sleds in the winter olympics, then talk to me. when you can field a competitor in the iditarod, come back for more. as to miss universe...hjamaic has won it, and came in second at the last one. as to reggaeton, my ignorant friend, it is a DIRECT copy of reggae, initially from Panama, by way of El General. and , which world is bachata taking by storm? washington heights? name me 2 major international stars who have recorded a big hit bachata. you speak about reggae as if it is some minor form, yet every big recording artist has dome at least one reggae song. you claim that jamaican women are , like their male counterparts, "mainly black" and that means what? you really need to get out of the cave sometime soon. ever since you crawled off the yola, you have not been anywhere.
From: United States
is it just me, or should there be an award for " world's stupidest person" for a statement like this
Dear Dread, when I refer to coldest beer, I am talking about how the beer is served, tourists don't have a freezer in their room maybe just a tiny refrigerator, Dominican beer is served the coldest in the world, hands down.
i agree, tomato. 40 dominican degrees is colder that 40 albanian degrees. you are the dumbest guy i have ever encountered. but, the least you could do is use your google function. you seem to be some primitive who has not seen very much.
From: United States
tomito, you should be ashamed to post this
Sports: Yes you run faster, but just a handful of our robust number of MLB players make more money than all Jamaican athletes combined.
i mean, with your "robust number" of MLB players, you get beaten in the world tournament by countries that play the sport on an amateur level, part time the netherlands...and the netherlands antilles. disgraceful. at least, when our sprinters show up for the big dance, they do not get beaten by scrubs. that is because it takes more than just talent to be a winner. it takes character, discipline, courage, and application. and, speaking of combined, jamaican athletes in Beijing garnered as many medals in ONE RACE as the DR has collected in the entire history of the games. the olympics involves ALL PEOPLE. MLB is an american concoction, limited in its scope. i await your studious replies, maybe when you finish your stint as a JEOPARDY contestant
From: United States
tomato offers the following information, or, should i say, misinformation
our GDP per capita (PPP) is higher than yours
not really, tomato can. maybe in your galaxy. the GDP PPP in jamaica is 8400 per annum, while in the DR it is 8300. that is the latest available figure, 2010. so, tomato, stick to things you know about, and can understand, like jugando gallo and hanging out at the banca. this economics thing is beyond your comprehension. my money bets that you do not know what PPP means. go ahead..prove me wrong. i dare you!
Written by: RoyStone, 14 Mar 2011 9:29 AM
From: Australia
Hey guys,
I don't place a lot of importance on sporting achievements, but you two seem to. Different countries emphasis different sports so it is meaningless to compare using just one. Hence the only meaningful measure is Gold Medals at the Olympic Games.
Australia 136
Cuba 67
Dominican Republic 2
Adjust for population if you like, DR is still pathetic!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-time_Olympic_Games_medal_tableWritten by: RoyStone, 14 Mar 2011 9:42 AM
From: Australia
Okay, while we are comparing sport, I understand American baseball is big here. In Australia we play "The Gentleman's game" cricket. The Caribbean has a good team, one of the few who can compete with Australia. Although they are called the West Indies, they are made up mostly of Jamaicans.
Interesting that many Dominicans blame USA for their problems resulting from the USA ¨invasion¨, but still play their sport and can´t wait to live in USA! I thought DR was colonized by the Spanish. Flaminco to difficult or energetic? Stick to walking on the spot (Meringue).
Written by: JEM237, 14 Mar 2011 11:27 AM
From: United States, In your mind
Dreadlocks, I am at a loss as to why you have you have such condescending views towards the DR and always throw a hissy fit whenever there is an article highlighting something positive about DR's tourism and/or if someone decides to defend it? What is your problem, man, seriously? If anything you are perfect example of foreign attraction/investment in DR because out of all the other destinations in the Caribbean you've taken up residence in the DR! If it's so bad, why are you there? And to all the other foreigners talking BS about the DR but keep GOING BACK, what is then? Are you all some sick, masochists, or hipocrites, or BOTH?
Tomito,
Thanks for you valuable comments and my advice to you, although I will understand it to be difficult at this point is to try to drop this conversation because no matter what you say, Dreadlocks will find something wrong with anything positive in DR and RoyStone is like a desperate puppy looking for just anything to say for the sake of saying it.
Written by: JEM237, 14 Mar 2011 11:40 AM
From: United States, In your mind
@RoyStone: It was obviously I who said that if DR is such a dump why do you keep coming back, I had no intention of covering up the fact that it was me who said such statement and you can certainly address me directly when making response to one of my comments. By the way, it is obvious to any Dominican that DR is far from perfect, but there is a fine line between criticism and making condescending and sometimes degrading comments about Dominican Republic on a Dominican web site. It would be naive for anyone to not expect such comments to ruffle any feathers. I will certainly not remain silent whenever any foreigner comes on here to talk BS about my island, especially if they are somehow obtaining a benefit from living there or if they actually enjoy my island and still want to talk BS about it in front of others for show.
Written by: tomito, 14 Mar 2011 12:43 PM
From: United States
Dear Dread: At least please for once get off the weed pipe (Another category Jamaicans excel)before you post something and when you counter something would you please be so kind to provide a link to back it up instead of ASSuming andmaking things up? You can find the GDP (PPP/Purchasing Power Parity since you asked) on my recent previous posts.
Jamaica has NEVER won Miss Universe:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Miss_Universe_titleholdersYankees, Koala, Nutty Hugo, Niag. Falls, etc (if you want to "cease" the exchange, I will pretend I don't know anything about them, as for "Boomerang" oh yes I know that one, It's Australia's #1 Sport, is it? ask your friend Roystone.
You keep mentioning 40 degrees, if it's celsius, that reminds me of Jamaican beer. What part of SERVED didn't you get ?
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Written by: tomito, 14 Mar 2011 12:52 PM
From: United States
If you are talking about the Baseball Classic, yes, we lost to the Neatherlands, they are improving their game, but a short series can be won by anyone specially in baseball, The NY Yankees are the best team but they lose dozens of games every year. Money is very important as these MLB Dominican players return to invest their millions in the DR as opposed to Jamaicans that get a pat in the back and a medal that some of them will take it straight to the pawn shop.
Written by: tomito, 14 Mar 2011 1:16 PM
From: United States
Dear Roystone: I'm sure Australia's native music can probably be traced to the Ice Age, and NOT surprisingly still popular on clubs all over Down Under.
Merengue and Bachata are Dominican, Reggae is Jamaican (has nothing to do with Tainos). None of these rythms were invented by the Tainos. Salsa, Johnny Pacheco (Dominican) is considered to be the father of that movement, which derived from Cuban "Guaracha". Johnny Pacheco's Fania All Stars, the most successful Salsa band in the 60's and 70's, Salsa all time heavy hitters such as Hector Lavoe, Willie Colon and Ruben Blades just to mention a few.
We don't blame our problems on the US and yes love to play their sport, 15% of MLB players are Domincans. Yes Dominicans love to live in the US, sorry can't say the same about Australia.
Written by: tomito, 14 Mar 2011 1:24 PM
From: United States
Dear JEM237, thanks for your comments and you are right, it's probably a waste of time but I find it somewhat amusing. On the other hand, I was worried about the Haitians in the DR but if this is the type of foreigners we are atracting, then we're in serous trouble, as the brown stuff will hit the fan soon.
Written by: RoyStone, 14 Mar 2011 10:48 PM
From: Australia
Hey guys,
I think you are loosing the plot. The article is
¨Dispute on whether Dominican tourism has lost its edge¨
Correct me if I am wrong, but I don´t think many tourists come here to watch baseball.
From: United States
hey, tomato, i stand corrected on the Miss Universre issue. M
From: United States
hey, tomato, i stand corrected on the Miss Universre issue. Miss World twice. and, forget the song and dance about anyone winning a short series. when the chips are down, and the money is on the table, only the big dogs bark. the mongrels put their tails between their legs, and run for the hills. at least, when it is race day, some unknown scrub will not beat Jamaican athletes. they have pedigree. not like A Rod, who can hit 400 during the regular season, bot cannot get a hit in the world series. that is called guts and determination. mongrels need not apply. by the way, when last did your guys ever win anything that took BRAINS? when you get 3 finalists in theNorth American spelling bee, including the winner, the second runner up, and number 15, you can come back and discuss things. and, yes, i ahve seen your guys investing...at the car wash..blinging away, getting into fights, beating up women, running over pedestrians. great bunch.
From: United States
hey, tomato, i stand corrected on the Miss Universre issue. Miss World twice. and, forget the song and dance about anyone winning a short series. when the chips are down, and the money is on the table, only the big dogs bark. the mongrels put their tails between their legs, and run for the hills. at least, when it is race day, some unknown scrub will not beat Jamaican athletes. they have pedigree. not like A Rod, who can hit 400 during the regular season, bot cannot get a hit in the world series. that is called guts and determination. mongrels need not apply. by the way, when last did your guys ever win anything that took BRAINS? when you get 3 finalists in theNorth American spelling bee, including the winner, the second runner up, and number 15, you can come back and discuss things. and, yes, i ahve seen your guys investing...at the car wash..blinging away, getting into fights, beating up women, running over pedestrians. great bunch.
From: United States
if you had a shred of intelligence, and could be educated, i would give it some effort. but, it is obvious that you never got too far in school, so i can forgive your foibles. you believe that track athletes do not make money...really? so, you think that people like Bruce Jenner are poor? you realise how much these athletes are paid, just to show up? and, before i forget, you seem to be great at evading questions. i asked you to tell me the names of just 2 world famous artists who have recorded a bachata song, since you claim that bachata is " taking the world by storm". you are some hillbilly hick, who knows very little, about very few subjects. when you dry out your clothes from the yola ride, maybe your head will clear. and, you still have not given me your explanation of what you understand GDP PPP to mean. i take that to indicate that you do not know.
From: United States
hey, tomato, where do i find this on a map of the world?
Neatherlands,
From: United States
Roy, i agree with you. we are off the beaten path. i just get really riled up when guys like this start comparing the DR to other caribbean islands, trying to make out like the DR is some superpower in the area. but since the subject is about the tourist industry, let me just point out to tomato that Jamaica had a booming tourist industry long before the DR thought of getting into the game, and that the model that it is built on here is copied 100% from the jamaican playbook, written by the Issa Brothers. the tourist industry has stagnated here because it has no creative input, and is waiting for someone to come up with more ideas it can copy. meanwhile, by the time it gloms on to someone else's ideas, those guys have established themselves. and are hard to displace, having made a name for themselves.
From: United States
The Issa Brothers pioneered this nonsense about all inclusives somewhere around 1976. it did take off big, in part because the first place it was tried, Hedonism 11, (then known as Negril Beach Village), was the perfect place for it. an all inclusive for drunks, party animals, and nudists. great. that does not work well for regular visitors, who want to see the country...the DR copied that style, and we can see the results in Playa Dorada. now, the Issa Brothers decided to shift the sails, and go upscale all inclusive. guess what? so has the DR. so, if Issa made a bad call, the DR will get hurt. what about the novel concept of some guy here coming up with his own ideas to suit his own situation?.
Written by: RoyStone, 15 Mar 2011 9:27 AM
From: Australia
Guys,
We had done spectator sport to death. I like sport but as a participant not a spectator. It is like eating and sex - I´d rather do it than watch someone else, even if they are much better at it than me! Regardless when was the last time DR hosted the Formula One Grand Prix, the Olympic Games, or any world-wide sporting event other than maybe baseball?
I still don´t know why I should not dance Meringue - unlike real Salsa, Samba or Capoeira, even unfit, overweight, uncoordinated American tourists can do it.
Kangaroo Dance? Remind me how many classical ballet companies DR has touring the world (or even in Santo Domingo).
Seriously, other than fabulous women, what does DR have to offer tourists that is world-class?
Written by: RoyStone, 15 Mar 2011 9:34 AM
From: Australia
The international dating site LatinEuro has 30 pages of beautiful Jamaican women (12 per page, I´ll let you do the math) and 528 pages of beautiful Dominican Republic women.
Okay, what does that tell you?
I´ll leave it to you guys to argue it out - the pros and cons (both puns intended)
From: United States
Roy asks
Seriously, other than fabulous women, what does DR have to offer tourists that is world-class?
guys like tomato believe that golf courses and girls can make a tourist industry. they believe that if Thailand can do the girls thing, so can they. WRONG. Thailand has an ancient culture, with temples and classic buildings that draw visitors from all over the world. the food is legendary. it is so much more diverse, that there is no competitition. what these guys fail to realise is that they are competing against others, who are just as good, and better, at the other things. they have been in the game longer, and have landmark attractions. silly as it is, there are yearly competitions, which attract visitors from all over the world, to climb Dunns River Falls, in Jamaica. we need stuff like that here. people from Europe do not need cable cars. they have one in every town there.
From: United States
what most of the triumphalists here fail to realise is that sun and sand tourism is dime a dozen, and all inclusives are for broke ass tourists who are looking for a great bargain. people with real money go to Monte Carlo, and Gstaad. they do not go to Playa Dorada. so, DR tourism was kicking butt when it was cheaper than the rest of the region, since eat and puke drunks were just looking for the best bargains. they did not care if there was nothing interesting within miles, because , all they wanted was the unlimited cheap hooch liquor. now that they are just as expensive as everywhere else, the advantage has been lost. heck..you can go from London to Dubai for less, and get a lot more world class offerings. unless you are looking to get some cheap nookie, there is no upside to coming here, because the cost advantage has gone with the wind. the British caribbean will tear it up in terms of service quality, and, to many, that counts for something.
From: United States
tomato offers this pearl of wisdom
as opposed to Jamaicans that get a pat in the back and a medal that some of them will take it straight to the pawn shop.
different strokes for different folks. when the Jamaican athletes need some quick cash, they take their medals to the pawn shop. you, tomato, probably take a different route...hooking up your daughter with some foreigner, and scraping 30% off the top as the " comision".
Written by: tomito, 15 Mar 2011 11:38 AM
From: United States
Written by: tomito, 15 Mar 2011 12:25 PM
From: United States
Yes Jamaica has been in the tourism business for much longer, yet a lot more tourists visit DR (You had a headstart and still fell behind, some tourism geniuses in Rastaland).
Thailand? The women suck. (too much HIV).
Dubai? Not Alcohol Friendly (illegal to drink in public), you even need to get a license and renew it annually if you want to buy alcohol outside of the hotels that are allowed to sell it,, not all of them are. Forget about alcohol during Ramadan. Being drunk in public a serious crime.
Kissing in public is illegal in Dubai. Ridiculous dress code, specially for women. Women? Please.
International Competitions in the DR (just to name a few):
Pan American Games 2003.
Beach Polo World Cup (Cap Cana)
Windsurfing Classic (Puerto Plata)
Central American Games (many times)
Cap Cana Championship (Golf, PGA Event).
Fiba Americas (Centrobasket 2010).
Baseball Caribbean Series (many times).
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Written by: tomito, 15 Mar 2011 9:34 PM
From: United States
Don't have a daughter but years back on one occasion one my girlfriends with benefits happened to be Jamaican and she actually volunteered, I was about to ask her since I knew it was something not out of the ordinary where she came from but she beat me to it.
Written by: bayman46, 15 Mar 2011 10:43 PM
From: United States
I would suggest that the Dominican Republic and Puerto Rico get their act together fast, because when" Cuba" opens up for All American Tourist(which should be soon)both of these Caribbean Islands is going to lose lots of Tourist Dollars AND BABY I CAN'T WAIT TO PARTY IN HAVANA.
From: United States
Well I have been reading these back and forth debate and although it was briefly mentioned, it was not sufficiently emphasized that besides the natural beauty of our country, our greatest asset is our people. I have traveled all throughout Central America and the caribbean and there is no place where I feel at home and more welcomed, with the friendliest and nicest, most hospitible people like the DR.
About all the negatives that were mentioned about the DR, some how I find it exotic, different and exciting. We are unique in the sense that we take the negatives of life and turn it into fun. I mean dominicans make a party out of anything. When the lights go off, we make and excuse to get together to laugh and tell jokes right in the middle of the darkness and after the lights come back on we cheer and celebrate. Dominicans, oh my God how we are a special bunch of people indeed.
And it is that charm what makes others want to come back in spite of the many drawbacks.
Written by: curios1, 16 Mar 2011 5:38 AM
From: United States, right where im standin
gill i have been many places. of all, the DR i have been many times and will always. and yes the people. i have been treated the best in the dr where ever i have been.
From: United States
tomato, you are a liar, as well as an idiot. in jamaica, nobody pawns their daughters off on gringos, and collects a part of the take. i already told you that i stand corrected regarding miss universe. and, i am still waiting for your dissertation regarding nominal GDP and GDP PPP. i bet dollars to donuts that you do not know the difference, since it is apparent that you did not get beyond the 5th grade in school. prove me wrong.
From: United States
here is my statement on the all inclusive model
The Issa Brothers pioneered this nonsense about all inclusives somewhere around 1976
now , tomato, i know that education is not high on your list, so i can forgive your shortcomings. see the word " pioneered"? it is not synonymous with "invented". i know your mad little rush to google led you to the part that says that club med has the first all inclusives. that may be so. the application, and modification of the model for the western hemisphere was done by the Issa Brothers. as to the fact that the DR gets more tourists. well, that should be expected. it is bigger, therefore has more space for hotels. but, tomato, let me introduce you to a wondrous new concept. it is called "per capita". it is a mathematical concept, and, in this case, it goes like this. the DR has 10 million people, give or take a few thousand. it gets 4 million tourists per year. that means, simple math, that there is one tourist for every 2.5 people
From: United States
jamaica has 3 million people. it gets a litttle over 2 million visitors. so, we get an effective ratio of 1.5 to 1. now, tomato, i know that this is going to be puzzling to you, not having attended school and all, but the lower figure is better. not to mention the fact that the average tourism expenditure in each country is something like 199 dollars per day in the DR, 289 dollars per day in jamaica. couple that to leakage, and you will see who actually benefits more from tourism. i will not go into all those concepts, because i do not want to overload your already pitiful brain. besides, i do not educate imbeciles for free.
From: United States
tomato, if you have any friends or family members who actually went to school, let them read and explain this to you
John Issa is known as the pioneer of the all-inclusive resort concept, introducing the first such hotel on the island with the development of Negril Beach Village Resort in 1976 (now Hedonism II). let them also explain to you that the latest rankings, which came out a few scant weeks ago, ranks jamaica as the top destination in the caribbean. that does not sound like falling behind to me. then again, you do not know the difference between winning and losing, since you come to the stalwart defense of your team of baseball losers, talking about "short series". in a short series, professionals with balls do not lose to part time amateurs. that is the crux of the matter. Usain Bolt might get beaten, but not by some overweight gas station attendant. your stars, with all the money you talk about, get beaten by part time amateurs. the shame of it.
From: United States
tomato offers
International Competitions in the DR (just to name a few):
Pan American Games 2003.
Beach Polo World Cup (Cap Cana)
Windsurfing Classic (Puerto Plata)
Central American Games (many times)
Cap Cana Championship (Golf, PGA Event).
Fiba Americas (Centrobasket 2010).
Baseball Caribbean Series (many times).
better name a few more, because none of those seems like anything significant to me. they do not exactly rank up there with the olympics...if you get my drift. beach polo? are you serious? by the awy, i am still having difficulty finding NEATHERLANDS on the map of the world. help!
From: United States
Apox 12 yrs ago I bumped into one of the Issa brothers on Miami Bch, Fla. Which one? Unfortunately, I don't recall exactly. It was at a wedding reception held at La Gorce Country Club and all I remember is a taller then average, husky, late 40's Lebanese looking guy speaking with a Jamaican accent. I was not aware of his identity and did not pay much attention, until after the groom explained he was a major player at the Hedonism resorts. But what most particularly impressed me was how as soon as he realized I was Dominican, he spontaneously expressed his love for the DR as one of his most favorites.
At the time it did not mean much as it is common for people to make such statement after a short sprint in the DR But what is most remarkable was that it came out from the mouth of one of the pioneers of modern day Caribean tourism. Now that is a compliment indeed, because if anybody knows and can tell the difference between the good and bad, it would most definitely be him
Written by: RoyStone, 16 Mar 2011 11:03 AM
From: Australia
@guillermone
I too have a love of DR and it is also one of my favorite places. However that does not make it a superior tourist destination to Jamaica or anywhere else. Maybe the Issa brother was patronizing you to avoid being knifed in the back? Not a good look at a wedding.
When people ask where I am from and I say Australia they say I look like Crocodile Dundee, thinking they are paying me a complement. I´d rather be compared to Howard Florey, the Australian who discovered Penicillin. I am still trying to find a Dominican who has discovered anything, since DR history is 2.5 times longer than Australian.
From: United States
Guillermone, if the guy was in his late 40s, and that was 12 years ago, then he would be probably a nephew, not one of the actual founders. probably that was one of the younger set, possibly Chris Issa. and you are right about the ancestry...arabian, probably Syria. did you ever meet Gordon Butch Stewart, another tourism mogul, who owned Air Jamaica, at the wedding?
Written by: tomito, 16 Mar 2011 4:23 PM
From: United States
Dear Dread: I have already provided you with the link to the all time Miss Universe title holders by country, you keep sayint " I stand corrected" (You are in denial, other readers of this post saw how you got caught with you pants down in your LIES. What's the name of the Miss Universe winner from Jamaica ?
You did not specify where John Issa pioneered the All Inclusive concept, and besides Jamaicans copied it from somebody else (what's the difference? don't bother to answer). We copied it from the REAL pioneer Gerard Blitz not the Jamaicans.
I would paid not to get educated by you, readers of this post know why. "Neatherlands" only a fool like you would get stuck on a simple typo.
As impossible as it may seem, I have to admit we share something in common: I don't educate imbeciles for free either, so let me direct you to some useful links, read up on them then comeback to see if you can begin to understand the concept (I won't hold my breath):
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From: United States, New York City
" I´d rather be compared to Howard Florey, the Australian who discovered Penicillin."
Florey did no such thing. Alexander Fleming is the discoverer of penicillin.
Written by: tomito, 16 Mar 2011 4:34 PM
From: United States
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Purchasing_power_parityhttp://www.ehow.com/how_6603297_calculate-nominal-gdp-per-person.htmlI agree, most Jamaicans will not pawn their daughters to foreigners, I never said they did it, I did it (allowed it to happen) to this Jamaican girl (She just made it easier by volunteering which again did not surprise me at all).
Tourism? Again you've been in the business long before but DR still #1 show us your "updated report".
As to the international events, and following your "Olympic" drift, at least the most important "Olympic" tournament of the American continent (The Pan Am Games) have been held in the DR, never in Jamaica.
Before you reply with your neverending parade of Nonsense, and continue to make things up as you go, AGAIN, please be so kind to provide LINKS that support your arguments/nonsense.
Written by: tomito, 16 Mar 2011 4:41 PM
From: United States
Dear Roystone, the only thing tourists are interesting in discovering when they come to the DR is all its beauty of both the land and its people, not Penicillin, much less a boring scientist.
Written by: curios1, 16 Mar 2011 5:23 PM
From: United States, right where im standin
hey dr hook wrote and sang penecillin penny. alright alright just trying to lighten things up.
From: United States
@Roystone-I doubt very much that one of the Issa clan members would need to "patronized" anybody. He and the family hold a very high social and economic status and most people at that level have no need for that, unlike you who seem to thrive on it. To the contrary, he came across as down to earth, mild mannered, courteous, polite and well educated. If he had any negative feeling towards the DR he would have most likely opt for silence or just remain neutral as most civilized people do.
From: United States
@Roystone-As far as who or what is better, it is subjective. I personally like Jamaica, it is a very nice island and have no qualms with it, probably because of my command of the English language. However, no matter how great, I still prefer the DR. Not because there is anything wrong, it is just that personally, for a nearby tropical island excape, that is the place I like best and enjoy most.
Written by: RoyStone, 16 Mar 2011 8:21 PM
From: Australia
@cibaeño75
Can I suggest that before shooting from the hip and contradicting someone who knows more about it that you, you check the facts?
Alexander Fleming, Ernst Boris Chain and Howard Walter Florey jointly received the Nobel Prize for Medicine in 1945. Flemming received most of the recognition since he was the boss, however Florey did most of the work when Flemming was away on holidays.
How many Nobel Prizes have been won by Dominican Republicans?
From: United States
@Roystone-"I too have a love of DR and it is also one of my favorite places."
You seem to contradict yourself or have a love hate relationship with the DR. On one end you state how much you love it yet look for every and any opportunity to down grade and discredit our country. You seem to accentuate our negative and minimize our positives. No doubt we have our flaws and mishaps, but the DR has improved greatly, gone a long way in the last few decades but I am also very aware it has deteriorated in others. Nevertheless, neither was the US, Australia, Canada and most European countries, each and every one of them had there own particular issues before they became what they are. There are growing pains and every country faces challenges that must be overcome prior to becoming mature nation. But this is not about who has the biggest and best penis. Each and everyone one uses the tools that God gave to the best of our abilities, some will enjoy it and others won't.
Written by: RoyStone, 16 Mar 2011 8:49 PM
From: Australia
@guillermone
Okay you want some positives about DR? The biggest ones may not be of use to the tourism industry, which this blog is about.
The greatest difference I find between the rural village I live in here and the suburb I live in back in Melbourne, is the sense of community. Neighbors and relatives wander in and out of each other´s houses without prior arrangement, or even knocking, to borrow a saucepan or have a chat about something, or to share a beer. Meetings and conversations begin spontaneously in the street. If anyone is in trouble or need help, everyone does what they can. To me this is worth more than beaches, resorts of golf-courses.
Written by: RoyStone, 16 Mar 2011 8:58 PM
From: Australia
@guillermone
For what it´s worth, I also have a love-hare relationship with my own country. Australia has problems too, but they are different, almost the opposite, from here. If only I could combine the best of both worlds and create an ideal country. Perhaps we can learn from each other, however we have different priorities. Maybe that is what makes travel worthwhile?
Written by: RoyStone, 16 Mar 2011 9:00 PM
From: Australia
Opps . love-hate not love-hare
Written by: grullord, 17 Mar 2011 9:18 AM
From: United States
I must said, this is very interesting site to see how many points of view. in the other hand I agree with there has to be implemented a better educational system at the DR. that would definately help solve a lot of problems with ignorance among the dominican people, witch by the way are the most caring hospitable people I have ever known. The DR has overcome a lots of misshaps if I may say in the last 20 years or so. we should be able to recognized the fact and applaud their efforts on becoming a better nation. There are a lots of red tape and politics in the middle, unffortuanely like all over the world. lets give them time and the time will tell, things do not happen overnight. I believed on the good intentions of the Dominican People and their goverment, its just matter of time. maybe 5 , 10 years from now we wont be so critical about it. We usually jump into conclusions without having all the facts on hand. Lets ignorance not be part of this discussion. thanks. Upstate New York
From: United States
grullord offers
I must said, this is very interesting site to see how many points of view. in the other hand I agree with there has to be implemented a better educational system at the DR. that would definately help solve a lot of problems with ignorance among the dominican people,
if the DR had a better education system, maybe it would not produce half wits like tomato. it is clear that he is a low grade chopo moron, who never got far in school. i asked him several times to give us his take on GDP PPP, and he has declined to respond. well, country bumpkin, when you start throwing such terms around, you should at least understand what they mean. go to google, and try to learn. the alternative is to study economics, which it is painfully obvious that you have not. now go back to squeegeeing your windshield at the overpass, and leave adults to discuss matters which are way above your head.
From: United States
when someone who purports to living in the USA admits to never having heard of jerk chicken, you know that he does not get let out of his cage too often.
Written by: grullord, 17 Mar 2011 2:26 PM
From: United States
Are you refering to Grullord's input on this matter?? if that is the case, you are totally wrong, but if not accept my apologies. It seems ignorance reign among a lot of people. (including on this blog) I love my country and always will and I am a proud dominican-american person who advocates for a better Life and better outcome of the DR people. PS> I love jerk chicken.....LOL
Written by: grullord, 17 Mar 2011 2:51 PM
From: United States
LMAO I got you Now about "Tomato"........lol
From: United States, New York City
"cibaeño75
Can I suggest that before shooting from the hip and contradicting someone who knows more about it that [sic] you, you check the facts?'
Fleming is the one creditted the WORLD over with discovering penicillin. I was not shooting from the hip. Florey was the one who was able to ascertain penicillin's medicinal uses, but that was nearly two decades after Fleming's INITIAL discovery. Maybe you don't know as much as you would like to think? As for Nobel prize winners...DR has none, but the nation of my birth, the US, has plenty, much more than your glorified island. What an aus.
Written by: RoyStone, 18 Mar 2011 2:28 AM
From: Australia
@cibaeño75,
Remind me, how many Nobel Prize winners for Medicine there are in USA per million people?
Written by: RoyStone, 18 Mar 2011 2:30 AM
From: Australia
@cibaeño75,
While you are at it, include the murder rate too.
Written by: JEM237, 18 Mar 2011 9:19 AM
From: United States, In your mind
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From: United States
tomato informs
As to the international events, and following your "Olympic" drift, at least the most important "Olympic" tournament of the American continent (The Pan Am Games) have been held in the DR, never in Jamaica.
let me educate you, hayseed. no smart government really wants to host the pan american games. they are a waste of time, effort, and money. all you do is to build dedicated structures for events that you probably will never stage again after the games are over. they get very little tv revenues, because nobody in Europe, the Far East, Australia, and Africa, care. it is not like you are hosting the World Cup, or the Olympics. all you get are bragging rights, and a big ass debt. just like the Metro. countries send all their scrub athletes, so you do not even have the pleasure of being the site of world record performances. Jamaica reportedly has over 20 guys who can run the 100 meters in a little over 10 flat, yet sent two relay runners to the 100 sprints.
Written by: tomito, 18 Mar 2011 11:55 AM
From: United States
Dear Dread: Most of the structures for the Pan Am games were already built, they just got needed reapairs (some of them are used for the Central American & Caribbean Games), Jamaica probably has way more than 20 guys who can run not 100 meters but 10,000 as they train everyday running from police due to the high crime in Rastaland, they don't even feel the pain as they are high (like you) most of the day, as that is part of their culture (getting high in Jamaica is as normal as drinking coffee. More than bragging rights (nothing wrong with that), we got the attention of the American Continent , including the US biggest economy on earth, and countries like Brazil, Argentina, Mexico, Canada, just these 5 countries comebined have a population of close to 700 million people.
Continue...
Written by: tomito, 18 Mar 2011 12:12 PM
From: United States
I take it you did not STUDY the "useful links" I provided you regarding the GDP PPP and Nominal, neither did you provide any LINKS (as usual) supporting your nonsense about the winner of Miss Universe from Jamaica, Did Jamaica win in a parallel universe? because on this one the representative from Rastaland has never won the most important beauty pageant of them all.
Again, readers of DT are having a field day watching all the nonsense you make up as you go, Woul you please get off the weed pipe for a day? I guess not.
From: United States
tomato, i see where your ignorance about crime is coming out, and i will try to educate you. Dominicans in New York have the highest incarceration rate in the country, in the entire history of recorded data. the population with the highest number of indicted criminals per capita is the Dominican population. i am really surprised that you would be stupid enough to talk about an issue such as crime, given the fact that more Dominican born politicians in New York have been indicted than those from just about any other country. no, tomato. try a different route. drugs and crime are not the ros to travel. more Dominicans are deported each month, per capita, than any other population group. you see, tomato, there is one major thing which divides you and i...college.
From: United States
hey, tomato...read this
Please note that the report called "Dominican, Deported and Human" was made by the Northern Manhattan Coalition for Human Rights and the Immigrant Rights Clinic at NYU Law School. Both of these institutions are very well regarded and respected, Please also note that basically what the article states is that 25% of all prisoners in the NY Prison system are of Dominican descent. When you couple that with the US Census Bureau statistics that only 2% of the entire NY State population is of Dominican descent you then have a dynamic that has never before existed in the entire history of US immigration.
Written by: tomito, 18 Mar 2011 12:23 PM
From: United States
You always Ass-ume you are the only one who went to college and continue blabbering your way through DT without providing links that support your nonsense and yes drugs is what Jamaica is mostly known for, not "chicken for jerks".
From: United States
Which is to say that never before in US history has any immigrant group with a 2% population stake been responsible for 25% of the jailed population with a sample size of 100,000 or more. Please also know that even if there were not a single Dominican prisoner in any of the other states in the union including the 600,000+ in New Jersey, the 200,000+ in Puerto Rico, the 100,000+ in Florida or the 60,000+ scattered around the mainland US, if not a single one of these other non-NY Dominican residents of the US were incarcerated, (which we know is impossible) Dominicans would still have the highest incareration percentages of any other immigrant group in US history.
From: United States
Again, that is just with counting the NY resident Dominicans as the only imprisoned group, if we include all other imprisoned Dominicans, the whole numbers and thus percentages go up even higher, which not counting the imprisoned Dominicans outside of NY is already the highest percentage to general population vs. incarcerated population in the nation.
http://www.nmcir.org/Deportado%20Dominicano%20y%20Humano.pdf From: United States
tomato, i never assumed that i am the only one who went to college. i just believe that you never went to school. now, i have posted the data on Dominican incarceration rates in the USA, complete with the link to the article. if you were not such a fool, you would not keep insisting that drugs are what jamaica is known for. surely, jamaicans are responsible for a disproportionate amount of drug trafficking in the USA, but Dominicans outdo them, hands down, as the article i posted should suggest to even your feeble mind.
From: United States
the tomato can states
I take it you did not STUDY the "useful links" I provided you regarding the GDP PPP and Nominal, neither did you provide any LINKS (as usual) supporting your nonsense about the winner of Miss Universe from Jamaica, Did Jamaica win in a parallel universe
i did not ask you for links to GDP PPP. i asked you to tell me what you think it means. i take it to mean that you do not know, so i will let it rest there. as for Miss Universe...i already told you that i stand corrected. i guess that the meaning is lost on you, since you keep repeating your challenges. ask one of your associates, who went to school, to explain the term "stand corrected". i am assuming, of course, that you do know people who went to school. as for "the most important beauty contest"...only in your feeble mind is a beauty contest something of importance.
i know such frivolity impresses you, but some of us have more important things to ponder. now get back in your cell.
Written by: RoyStone, 18 Mar 2011 12:51 PM
From: Australia
Hey Tomito - USA, Brazil, Argentina, Mexico, Canada, just these 5 countries comebined have a population of close to 700 million people.
Population ain´t everything
India alone (another British Commonwealth Member) has 1,191 million. Australia has hosted the Commonwealth games many time but we don't make a big deal about it. Brazil population 191 million will host the Olympic games, the first Latin American country ever to do so.
Australia currently 22 million, has hosted the Olympic Games not once, but twice.
Hispaniola has roughly the same population as Australia but will never host the Olympic games. I am ready to take bets at 100:1
From: United States, New York City
"Hispaniola has roughly the same population as Australia but will never host the Olympic games."
Hispaniola is not a political entity so how can it host anything?
Written by: tomito, 18 Mar 2011 1:18 PM
From: United States
Dear Dread, let me remind you it was you who brought up the beauty pageant issue, so at some point it must have been important to you. As to the GDP PPP (I was the one who brought the term up) explanation only an ignorant like you would not know what it means neither will I undertake the daunting task to make you comprehend it. Go back and read the links (don't forget put down the weed pipe) then come back and post (then resume smoking the stuff so many Jamaicans love).
Written by: tomito, 18 Mar 2011 1:37 PM
From: United States
Dear Roystone: When I referred to the population of those countries, it was just to emphasize the fact that when we hosted the Pan Am games we got the attention of all the countries in our continent including those 5 with such population, it was our friend "Dreadful", who tried to downplay the games when I reminded him following his "olympic drift" that Jamaica had never hosted an olympic event of such importance.
On the other hand I agree, Hispaniola will probably never host the Olympic Games, just like Australians will probably never dance Merengue or Salsa, same bet ratio or maybe just a case of Foster's.
From: United States, New York City
"Hispaniola will probably never host the Olympic Games"
Paisano, do not get into the habit of referring to the island as a whole. It serves to undermine the fact that there are two disctinct nations located on said island.
Written by: RoyStone, 18 Mar 2011 2:53 PM
From: Australia
@cibaeño75
¨Australians will probably never dance Merengue or Salsa¨
Dominicans don't either.
I have seen a lot of walking on the spot to boring repetitive Merengue music - that´s dancing?
Also Salsa in DR bears no resemblance to the stylish, energetic Salsa in other countries, including Australia. When my Australian son was here, they cleared the floor, clapped and cheered for him and his partner when he did Salsa, then the women lined up to dance with him while the Dominican guys retreated to the bar for more beer.
Written by: RoyStone, 18 Mar 2011 2:55 PM
From: Australia
@cibaeño75,
Now where do I collect the case of Fosters? Can you make it Dominican rum instead?
From: United States, New York City
Roy stone what on God's green earth are you smoking? I made no comments about your people and their ability, or inability, to dance merengue or any other music. Look at the thread a little more carefully an revise your response accordingly.
Written by: curios1, 18 Mar 2011 4:32 PM
From: United States, right where im standin
well if any one is interested i see no dispute. and i dont beleive tourism in the dominican republic has lost its edge. it still has my interest. and when im all alone man you should see me DANCE !
Written by: tomito, 18 Mar 2011 6:43 PM
From: United States
Dear Roystone:
It does not surprise me that an Australian asks if Merengue is a dance and finds it boring (I know you probably consider the the kangaroo dance more interesting), please stop associating Salsa with Australia, much less referring to Australian Salsa, there is no such a thing. As to your son, of course they cleared the floor for him, we always do that when we see the spectacle of a drunk crazy tourist trying to dance, the sankies retreated for more beer to get some rest and let someone else do their work, while they contemplated and picked the ones they were going back to the room with that night. But don't feel bad, it happens all the time, not just to your son.
From: United States
tomato can, i am a fair guy. so, when you claimed that your guys got their clocks cleaned in the baseball classic because anyone can lose a short series, i decided to give you the benefit of the doubt. so, i decided to do some research on other tournaments. checked on the olympics, for baseball. guess what? you lost there, too. not one medal. not even a bronze. i mean, even chinese taipei has a medal. so, what does that tell me? that winning is more than just talent. you need guts, determination, will power, courage, fortitude, organisation, and determination. some guys have it. they are called WINNERS. some guys do not. they are called LOSERS. they are also the guys most likely to blame their pathetic results on something like ¨short series¨. guess what, tomato? all the teams play the same amount of games. if anyone can lose a short series, that also means that anyone can win. how come your guys do not?
From: United States
tomato can issues this effervescent rubbish, as only he can
As to the GDP PPP (I was the one who brought the term up) explanation only an ignorant like you would not know what it means neither will I undertake the daunting task to make you comprehend it
i see you are still evading the request to explain GDP PPP. you said that the GDP PPP of the DR was higher than that of Jamaica, which i proved to you was a fallacy. maybe the nominal GDP is higher, but not the PPP. now, if you do not know the difference between the two, you will forever make ignorant remarks, something at which you excel. by the way, how did you like the article i posted regarding incarceration rates?
Written by: RoyStone, 20 Mar 2011 9:26 PM
From: Australia
@tomito
Since you are such an expert on Australia I would like to know when you were last there. Perhaps never? Obviously you know more about my country that I do, since I have never heard of the Kangaroo Dance. Could it be that you are such an ignorant know-all, the only Australian thing you have heard of is the kangaroo?
From: United States
RoyStone questions
Since you are such an expert on Australia I would like to know when you were last there. Perhaps never? Obviously you know more about my country that I do, since I have never heard of the Kangaroo Dance. Could it be that you are such an ignorant know-all, the only Australian thing you have heard of is the kangaroo?
yes, Roy. it is patently evident that tomato is a low grade moron who knows less than nothing about most subjects, due to his obvious unfamiliarity with the interior of a classroom. he is only good at opening himself up to exposure, whereupon he scampers away like a wounded mongrel. a pathetic figure, indeed.
Written by: Atabey, 21 Mar 2011 1:30 PM
From: United States, NYC
Dread states: "not like A Rod, who can hit 400 during the regular season, bot cannot get a hit in the world series. that is called guts and determination."
Dread, you failed to take into account the 2009 World Series! Would the Yankees have even made it to the World Series without A-Rod's heroics during the Playoff rounds??
Round 1========.455 Ave 5 hits 2 HRs 6 RBI
Round 2========.429 AVE 9 hits 3 HRs 6 RBI
World Series====.250 AVE 5 hits 1 HR 6 RBI (But 4 of his 5 hits were 3 doubles and 1 HR!)
Alex had himself a Grand Playoff and World Series.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/r/rodrial01.shtmlFrom: Dominican Republic
The first place they should start fixing, is Calle Conde. This is the first street or boardwalk that everyone see’s. If you want middle class and upper-class Dominican’s and the few tourists who are left to visit the Colonial Zone, you better start fixing it up. After this is done you work your way to the side streets. You don’t put “the horse before the cart”. Calle Conde needs big shade trees, not those little trigs you see out there. Nice upscale park benches, beautiful tropical flowers, replace those old dirty tiles with nice turquoise tiles like you see in Old San Juan Puerto Rico, and not the white tiles that look horrible after one week’s time. They let the Zone determinate, so they could buy the properties cheep, but enough is enough. Don’t fix it and there will be no tourist. Years back, you could not see 20 feet in front of you, now you can see from the beginning to the end of the Conde.
From: United States
Atabey...old proverb. "one swallow does not make a summer".
Written by: Atabey, 21 Mar 2011 4:39 PM
From: United States, NYC
"One in hand, is worth two in the bush." Alex has his ring, AND he was a Major contributor in winning it for the Team. That's all that matters. He's got his Gold and Diamond World Series 2009 Ring and rightfully earned it. Up until the last two games against Boston Series in 2004, A-Rod was a money player in the Playoffs, just check the stats. He did go into a tailspin after that series and didn't produce for three years 2005,6, and 7. That's when ARod can't hit in the Playoffs established itself. But knowledgeable connoisseurs of the sport noted his Very good numbers before this bad stretch, and his performance in 2009 confirmed their theory: you can keep a great hitter in check only so long. And BTW, Baseball has had many Greats fail to live-up to their Greatness in the playoffs and World Series. Willie Mays, Ted Williams, and Barry Bonds, etc-until his next to last Playoff series in 2002. In 7 series years, Bonds only had one excellent or dominant series, in 2002.
Written by: tomito, 22 Mar 2011 2:57 AM
From: United States
Dear Dread:
Please stop googling your way around "baseball". One of the reasons why baseball was banned from the Olympic Games is due to the restrictions MLB team owners put on their players by not allowing them to play since they have nothing to gain and everything to lose. DR "peloteros" are not going to jeopardize their careers and millions of dollars by defying their employers or getting injured. While most teams play with their top tiered players, DR can only send 3rd or 4th tiered or (A) (AA) players since even (AAA) and some (AA) are under contract. Most MLB teams have academies in the DR (wonder why ?) and these youngsters get recruited out of poverty at a very young age.
As to the GDP (PPP) you have not proven anything, but again let's compare our sources (oh that's right you did not provide any):
https://www.cia.gov/library/publi....s/the-world-factbook/geos/jm.htmlhttps://www.cia.gov/library/publi....s/the-world-factbook/geos/dr.htmlContinue...
Written by: tomito, 22 Mar 2011 3:27 AM
From: United States
Written by: tomito, 22 Mar 2011 3:39 AM
From: United States
Dear Roystone:
"Obviously you know more about my country that I do, since I have never heard of the Kangaroo Dance"
Follow the link to the definition of the word "Sarcasm":
http://www.answers.com/topic/sarcasm"Could it be that you are such an ignorant know-all, the only Australian thing you have heard of is the kangaroo?"
No, I've also heard that some Australians could be very stupid (Almost like Dreadful, oops sorry not even close).
From: United States
the idiot tomato paste makes more and more excuses for the fact that the DR never wins any major tournaments in baseball, despite its wealth of talent. first, it was the short season defense. now that i have informed him that the season is the same length for everyone, he comes with the "fear of injury" line of rubbish. so, i take it that only Dominican baseball players have a fear of getting hurt. what about the USA? i mean, they won a few medals, working with the same rules. even if you could not win a gold...how about even a lowly bronze?
From: United States
tomato, if you had attended school somewhere in your lifetime, i would engage you in a conversation about economics. however, since it is patently obvious that you have no basic understanding of the topic, i will not waste time on it with you. go to school, and learn something, and we can talk. a mind is a terrible thing to waste. in your case, so is air.
From: United States
the low grade chopo moron tomato reminds that the national debt of jamaica is 126% of GDP. he just does not know what that means, and believes that it somehow is a guage of how strong an economy is. well, chopo, what do you say to this
Jun 2009 ... The Japanese national debt is $7.47 trillion. This is 170.4 percent of the
Japanese GDP
Written by: Atabey, 23 Mar 2011 5:53 PM
From: United States, NYC
So Dread, if you are a betting man, where would you place your money and see it grow the most in say 10 years: Jamaica or DR?
Written by: tomito, 23 Mar 2011 11:21 PM
From: United States
Dear Dread: Again leave baseball alone and go back to your pipe. MLB teams only spend their money training players they are going to sign either to the majors or AAA or their AA teams in the US. The rest of the DR players get left out, those are the ones who play in "no money tournaments" the DR ministry of sports simply does not care either.
The Japanese public debt as well as the US is not sustainable over time. Right now the US congress is trying to raise the 14 trillion debt cap once again just to make ends meet. Sooner or later creditors will no longer extend credit to them, the only way to sustain it is if the economy grows at the same pace which we all know it's not happening. The real debt of the US is estimated anywhere between 100 and 200 trillion dollars.
Look at this video (Although he's trying to sell you on the idea to buy gold, pretty much everything he says is true):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nI....amp;feature=player_embedded#at=16Cont...
Written by: tomito, 23 Mar 2011 11:27 PM
From: United States
Apparently the economists in Jamaica graduated from the same school you went to if they think a debt ratio of 126% in relation to the GDP is healthy. They probably graduated with honors like you:
"Summa Cum Cannabis".
Written by: DRmaker, 24 Mar 2011 11:11 PM
From: Canada
dreadlocks,
"it will remain a destination that attracts quantity, not quality. 4 million broke ass guys paying 600 dollars for a week of all inclusive drinking and burping, while the billionaires go to St Barts and Grand Cayman, and spend more on a bottle of wine than the charter tourists spend in 7 days".
What an ignorant generalization of a statement!
I am not even going to debate this.
All of your comments are cyclical.
Can you ever bring something new and relevant in your posts.
From: United States
tomato can offers this pithy bit of wisdom
Apparently the economists in Jamaica graduated from the same school you went to if they think a debt ratio of 126% in relation to the GDP is healthy. They probably graduated with honors like you:
at least they graduated school, unlike you, who seem to have a fear of learning. as i said, sparring with you on simple subjects is ok. debating you on subjects which require knowledge is another matter. i did not spend my time in graduate school to end up discussing economics with a guy who is in need of remedial education. if you believe that the debt ratio is the only important determinant in the issue of debt structure, then it is pointless to argue with you until you take a basic course in economics. as to your failures in baseball...keep making excuses. by the same token that your premier baseball players do not participate in tournaments outside of MLB, major athletes, from all countries, do not attend small, regional affairs.
From: United States
but they still see some degree of success. top flight Jamaican and US sprinters do not usually take part in the Pan Am games, but the lesser guys they send still do not get beaten by scrubs. they still end up with medals of some sort, even if it is not a clean sweep. your guys should at least be able to win a bronze or two, being so gifted, and all.
From: United States
DRmaker scolds, petulantly
I am not even going to debate this.
for someone who seems to be so agitated, you should be the first to debate it. my contention is that the DR attracts the lower end tourist, while places like Bermuda, St Barts, and the Cayman Islands attract the well heeled, big spender crowd. debate me! prove me wrong. it is not very manly to attack from behind foliage. come out and do some business....debate the contention, if you can.
From: United States
hey, DRmaker, this is a comment by a visitor to the Port of Sans Souci
When I boarded the ship 2 years ago, we could not see the water because de floating crap. Plastic, cartboard, wood, paper and god knows what else. The only missing was floating corpses. Maybe there was some there and I missed them. The best in the Caribbean ????
I think it is the dirtiest, slimiest and most disorganized of all
go debate him, or her. instead of getting incensed because people make factual statements, you should deploy your efforts towards criticising the status quo, and see if you can improve it. tell me, DRmaker, why it is that a country with such an array of riches in terms of tourist potential, such as the colonial district, has no cruise ship business of which to speak, while a small country like jamaica , with far less resources, is rated the number one cruise ship destination in the world, year after year? debate that.
From: United States
hey, DRmaker, i just read this question in a thread in the forum
Is there really such a thing as a TRUSTWORTHY DOMINICAN????
you have a beef with generalizations? there is one for you. now, go bawl to him, if you really mean business.
Written by: DRmaker, 25 Mar 2011 10:55 AM
From: Canada
dreadocks,
"my contention is that the DR attracts the lower end tourist, while places like Bermuda, St Barts, and the Cayman Islands attract the well heeled, big spender crowd. debate me! prove me wrong".
I agree, the DR attracts mostly the 'budget minded' tourists. To me there are 2 classes of tourists: the budget minded (or in your words-lower end tourist) - middle income earning families, singles, etc; and the so-called 'well heeled' crowd. But the fact is that the well heeled make up a very small portion of the tourists coming to the big islands in the Carribean such as the DR, Cuba and Jamaica. Sure, they drop a wad of dough while they are vacationing, but they are still the minority.
And you harp about low end tourists staying in All Inclusives in the DR do not spend money outside the AIs, and how the locals are not benefitting . Well, there are lots of AIs in Jamaica, Cuba and in the Mexican resort cities as well.
Written by: DRmaker, 25 Mar 2011 11:12 AM
From: Canada
Do you think the locals are benifitting any more from AI tourists in these countries than they are in the DR?
Hey, I would like to see a different tourism model that would be more equitable to the general population. But for now, the All Inclusive model is all they have. At least it provides some jobs to the locals. And it helps the country's economy - as the resorts buy their produce, meat, beer and liquor locally.
And the comment that the AI tourist does not spend money outside the AI is a myth. I just returned from 2 weeks on the north coast of the DR. I stayed in an AI and saw lots of other guests from my hotel out in the bars, restaurants, salons and stores. I myself spent a lot of money outside the resort - buying things from street vendors, eating at different restaurants, etc. I like get out of the AI and drop some cash. Not only for the goods and services, but to help out the locals - some of whom are my friends.
From: United States
DR maker offers the following
Hey, I would like to see a different tourism model that would be more equitable to the general population. But for now, the All Inclusive model is all they have. At least it provides some jobs to the locals. And it helps the country's economy - as the resorts buy their produce, meat, beer and liquor locally.
really? provides some jobs, yes. but, what kinds of jobs? are you aware that the AI tourism sector lost almost 7 billion pesos in the last decade? is that something you consider to be viable and functional? take into consideration the social and cultural displacements of tourism, and factor in the cost to a country to implement tourism, and you have to wonder if such a model is worth the effort. an example i use repeatedly...do you realise that foreigners use 10 times as much water as locals over the same period of time? it costs money to become involved in tourism. guys paying 37 dollars per night cannot help an economy.
From: United States
not when there is leakage of upwards of 75% back to core countries. the average expenditure of cruise ship tourists to Samana is 99 dollars, on average. the detrimental effects of cruise ship tourism on the environment is well documented. the AI model does nothing positive for ant destination, be it the DR, Jamaica, or wherever. sadly, the bulk of the tourist product in the DR is based on that model, which has been proven to be a losing proposition. over to you.
Written by: DRmaker, 25 Mar 2011 11:33 AM
From: Canada
dreadlocks,
Those are all valid points you made, but as I have already stated - if the tourism departments in these countries can come up with a model of tourism that is more equitable to the general population, then I am all for it!
From: United States
equitability to the general population is something that should be of paramount importance, but so should profitability in general. the model could very well revert to the old style, before the AI crapola, where people used hotels as a place to sleep, change clothes, and stash stuff, and used their waking hours to see the country, and spend money outside the hotel. granted, security dynamics have changed, and the safety that people once had has been jeopardized by criminal elements in all locations. but the AI tourist model has been a flop, and has devastated certain destinations. just look at Puerto Plata, and form your opinion.
Written by: tomito, 25 Mar 2011 1:57 PM
From: United States
The "Summa Cum Cannabis" in economics Dreadful offers the FOOLowing:
" if you believe that the debt ratio is the only important determinant in the issue of debt structure, then it is pointless to argue with you until you take a basic course in economics"
Dear Dread: I never said Jamaica's whopping 126% public debt ratio in relation to its GDP was the "ONLY" important determinant in its debt structure, but it is a huge problem nonetheless, and not sustainable over time, much less healthy.
By the way, AI's benefit the DR a great deal providing thousands of direct and indirect jobs, as these hotels purchase their produce, beer and many other stuff locally, as DRmaker stated. Many hotels open every year, few close. Make no mistake, these hotels are making money, otherwise they would simply shut down. I agree with the notion of Tourism diversity, but not by abandoning the AI's altogether.
Continue.
Written by: tomito, 25 Mar 2011 2:06 PM
From: United States
These "low spenders", bring millions of dollars for the DR (tourist visas), room and airfare taxes, etc.
As to baseball talent, again, the fact that MLB teams have the most academies in the DR is not by luck, all the money Dominican players make benefit the DR much more than a few Jamaican medals hanging on the wall and like I said before, some winding up in a pawn shop.
From: United States
tomato, i will not discuss economics with a guy who obviously does not even have a GED. as was rep[orted in an article in these very pages, the AI model lost close to 7 billion pesos in the last decade. if you consider that "making money", then i am wasting time with talking to you. i did not spend years in grad school to discuss economics with a guy who cannot read a clock. as to your harping about baseball players...i will concede that the DR does have a raft of baseball players. that having been said, tell us what else.. some categories we can address
how many world champions have you had, in any sport?
how many world records have you held, or currently hold, in any sport?
how many firsts do you have on record?
how many international tournaments, besides beauty contests, have you won?
how many products do you have on the international list of immediately recognizable national products
how many American contests have you won?
how many Olympic medals?
From: United States
everything you have, jamaica had it first. telephone, television, you name it. besides, you keep talking about sprinters, as if that is the only sport jamaica participates in. i know that tou are a country bumpkin, and this will be news to you. but the sport of cricket has a far bigger pool of players and spectators than baseball, since it is played by India, Pakistan, Australia, New Zealand, the UK, the West Indies, Sri Lanka, to name a few. there are numerous jamaicans playing professional cricket. also, numerous jamaicans in the soccer leagues in Europe. your bill for online education is in the mail. when you get off Rikers, you should pay it.
From: United States
tomato has decided to leave jugando gallo for a while, and dabble into economics
I never said Jamaica's whopping 126% public debt ratio in relation to its GDP was the "ONLY" important determinant in its debt structure, but it is a huge problem nonetheless, and not sustainable over time, much less healthy
how about explaining why, tomato? inquiring minds want to know...
Written by: tomito, 28 Mar 2011 11:03 PM
From: United States
Dear Dread:
I share the lack of interest in discussing economics (or anything for that matter) with you too.
By now all readers of DT know you went to school, that seems to be a big feat in Jamaica, there is no need to remind it on every post, you are not the only one. I am not going to dispute your "Summa Cum Cannabis" in economics.
Dominicans play baseball, basketball would come 2nd, we don't waste our time on sports we don't like and much less where there is little money to be made in comparison to baseball.
Instead of playing "cricket" and "soccer" like the UK, Jamaicans should try to become a "truly independent nation" , not a commonwealth realm, and not have the Queen of England as your "Monarch" and "Head of State".
"everything you have, jamaica had it first. telephone, television, you name it"
We had the first University of the Americas, remember for many years we had college graduates while you were still roaming wild. Your ignorance is beyong belief.
Written by: tomito, 28 Mar 2011 11:22 PM
From: United States
Cont...
Dreadful, your spectacle of ignorance is amazing.
"everything you have, jamaica had it first. telephone, television, you name it".
Jamaica Broadcasting Corporation, August 1963
http://www.jamaica-dream-vacation.com/jamaica-radio.htmlCertv (DR) began broadcasting 11 years earlier, August 1952 (Jamaica was not even a "commonwealth realm" but a UK colony).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CERTVWe also have true independence since 1844, your sorry version of independence took place in 1962, over a hundred years later, with Queen Elizabeth II as your head of state still today, same goes for our Australian friend Roystone, what kind of crap is that ?
Need more? try the first city, the first hospital, the first church not only of the caribbean but of the entire continent. All of that while you were still roaming wild in Jamaica.
Continue...
Written by: tomito, 28 Mar 2011 11:42 PM
From: United States
Recognizable products: Our cigars are among the best in the world, ever heard of "Opus X"?, We are number 1 in cigar exports in the entire planet, same goes for Organic cocoa, and don't forget we produce some of the finest women on earth.
AI's continue to make money despite what they want you to believe, if they were losing money for 7 years they would have left by now but the opposite is happening they are opening more AI's. Need an explanation for this too? or is it too much to grasp ?
"how about explaining why, tomato? inquiring minds want to know..."
Explaining why Jamaica's public debt is a whopping 126% of its GDP is simple, it happens when a country borrows like a drunken sailor but does not grow enough, but what do I know, you are the "Summa Cum Cannabis" in economics after all. You seem to need an explanation for the most obvious facts in the universe. Not that I will be surprised but what's next? Why is Jamaica in the Caribbean? or Why are Jamaicans from Jamaica?
Written by: tomito, 29 Mar 2011 1:21 AM
From: United States
Cont...
At the climax of his high, Dreadful offers this masterpiece:
"but the sport of cricket has a far bigger pool of players and spectators than baseball, since it is played by India, Pakistan, Australia, New Zealand, the UK, the West Indies, Sri Lanka, to name a few. there are numerous jamaicans playing professional cricket"
And what do these countries have in common? Until recently they were all UK colonies and except for Pakistan and India (which were the same country not too long ago) they unbelievably still recognize a "foreign queen" as their head of state.
Just because India has a much bigger population than the US does not make "Bollywood better than Hollywood" . Dominicans would not watch a cricket game even if one could bet on it at a "Banca". Again DR players follow the money why waste your time on cricket.
Come back and provide links that support your arguments instead of the boring whining of "I went to school" , it's not our fault you are unemployed.
Written by: RoyStone, 29 Mar 2011 6:04 AM
From: Australia
You are almost right, tomito
Yes we do have a foreign queen as our head of state. We have also had a stable democratic form of government for the last 110 years - our entire history as a nation. Contrast with DR!
You are wrong about the colonies. Australia was never a colony , although some of the states were until 1901 - hardy recent.
Pakistan and India were never the same country. India, which included what is now Pakistan and Bangladesh) was a British colony until recently (1947) when the British granted independence, and divided India on religious grounds.
India is now the world's biggest democracy (by population).
Interesting that most British colonies achieved independence by peaceful means and have chosen to keep the British crown as head of state.
"If it aint broke, don't fix it!"
Written by: RoyStone, 29 Mar 2011 6:07 AM
From: Australia
Sure India has Bollywood - a multi-billion dollar domestic and export induxtry.
What has DR got?
"Dominicans would not watch a cricket game even if one could bet on it at a "Banca"."
I was not aware Dominicans can bet on Soap-operas at a Banca.
Is that why they watch that rubbish?
Most of it is not even made in DR - made in Brazil I believe.
Anyway you are right that Dominicans have no interest in cricket - it is a gentleman's game!
From: United States
touche, RoyStone
Anyway you are right that Dominicans have no interest in cricket - it is a gentleman's game!
it is too complicated for them to understand. as far as going to college being a feat in Jamaica...the last thing i would expect from tomato is a foray into the realm of education. i guess he is too busy jugando gallo to read the reports from international institutions, which place the DR at the bottom of the world's educational barrel. and, tomato, kindly tell us when in history Australia was a colony, and when India and Pakistan were the same country. seems like your school system has failed you , again.
From: United States
tomato reminds
, and don't forget we produce some of the finest women on earth.
number 4 in the world behind Thailand, Brazil, and the Philipines. i remembered.
From: United States
more chopo economics from the ghetto thug, who decided to exclude school from the to-do list of life
Explaining why Jamaica's public debt is a whopping 126% of its GDP is simple, it happens when a country borrows like a drunken sailor but does not grow enough
a country's debt portfolio is not a static figure. countries borrow different amounts of money, at different times, depending on their development strategies. so, the figure you cite, 126%, is variable. if a government has a 10 year plan, it might borrow large sums of money today, and that figure could be skewed to reflect severe indebtedness. however, it is the ability to repay WHEN THE LOANS COME DUE that matters. anyway, why do i bother to discuss anything with you? you seem to have a lot of free time on your hands, and have decided to be present as an indomitable irritant. i guess that is to be expected every so often from you, when you send the wife over to gringo for a few days.
From: United States
hey, let her keep some of the money she makes. after all, she is the one doing the heavy lifting, while you sit on the street corner, playing dominoes and making rude remarks to passing women.
From: United States
a little ghetto history from chopo tomato. sadly, he does not understand numbers, so he is not sure whether 1952 came before 1950, or vice versa
Certv (DR) began broadcasting 11 years earlier, August 1952 (Jamaica was not even a "commonwealth realm" but a UK colony).
radio jamaica started broadcasting in 1950. so, let me explain how that works. 1950 comes before 1952. understand ,now?
From: United States
what is this , chopo?
We also have true independence since 1844, your sorry version of independence took place in 1962, over a hundred years later, with Queen Elizabeth II as your head of state still today, same goes for our Australian friend Roystone, what kind of crap is that ?
in the immediate years before jamaica was granted independence by the Queen , you and yours were still hiding under your beds from Trujillo. at least we never had some maniacal dictators in our history. the country was always run by educated, civilised, urbane people, not mass murderers and goons. you keep harping about money, since that is the only thing you seem to hold in any degree of esteem. that tells me that you have none. maybe if your political leaders had a shred of decency, and honor, the potential of your country could be realized. instead, they all seem to be like you...talk a good game, and make excuses when you flop. sad
Written by: tomito, 29 Mar 2011 10:50 AM
From: United States
Dear Roystone:
This is a link from an Australian gvmt webpage, it this isn't colonialism, it sure looks a lot like it:
http://www.cultureandrecreation.gov.au/articles/australianhistory/Even if what you stated was true and part of Australia was not colonized, did they then come up with the brilliant idea to volunteer their non colonized lands to the UK?
This has to be the mother of all contradictions:
"Pakistan and India were never the same country. India, which included what is now Pakistan and Bangladesh) was a British colony until recently (1947) when the British granted independence, and divided India on religious grounds"
Maybe they were not "independent countries"but they were treated as one single colony.
I don't care if Australia had democratic stability before the DR, the fact is that We now have it and are a true free country while the Aussies chant "Long live the Queen". Independence ?
Cont...
Written by: tomito, 29 Mar 2011 11:12 AM
From: United States
"Cricket is a gentlement's game' "Touche"
What a couple of morons or should I say "Pariguayos". What kind of pathetic response is that, I can image how it would sound live. No we don't play to be "Gentle" but to make money, no shame on that.
Dominicans, women for the msot part love "soap operas", I don't watch them myself but I have to admit that I would rather watch the Brazilian or Venezuelan beauties over a bunch of Pakis.
Written by: tomito, 29 Mar 2011 11:31 AM
From: United States
The "Summa Cum Cannabis" offered the FOOLowing:
"so, the figure you cite, 126%, is variable. if a government has a 10 year plan, it might borrow large sums of money today, and that figure could be skewed to reflect severe indebtedness. however, it is the ability to repay WHEN THE LOANS COME DUE that matters"
Of course is variable but only if you either pay it down the "Severe Indebtedness" or grow at a faster pace, which Jamaica is not doing either. What a great plan for 10 years.
This is one of my favorites:
"radio jamaica started broadcasting in 1950. so, let me explain how that works. 1950 comes before 1952. understand ,now?"
What part of RADIO and not TV didn't you get ?
Dreadful READ it again, if you can:
On July 9, 1950 commercial radio broadcasting began in Jamaica and Radio Jamaica (RJR) was born.
The Jamaica Broadcasting Corporation (JBC) was created by the Government in 1958.
JBC included both state-owned radio and television stations.
Written by: tomito, 29 Mar 2011 12:21 PM
From: United States
Continue...
Written by: tomito, 29 Mar 2011 12:38 PM
From: United States
Latin countries including the DR got the courage to rebel and succeed while others remained dormant. A reminder of "Her Majesty" is in your passport. She granted "independence" but remained the "Monarch" "Head of State" if you call that "Independence" you don't know the true meaning of the word. But hey, Long Live the Queen (Of England).
From: United States, New York City
", I don't watch them myself but I have to admit that I would rather watch the Brazilian or Venezuelan beauties over a bunch of Pakis."
I've seen some drop dead gorgeous Pakistani women, absolutely breathtaking. Don't underestimate the beauty that exists among those people.
Written by: tomito, 29 Mar 2011 2:09 PM
From: United States
Cibaeno75
I don't underestimate them, some maybe beautiful even though they are way too conservative so there isnt much you will see on Pakistani TV, but I was talking about men playing cricket. Don't tell me you would rather watch them over some Brazilian or Venezuelan beauties who have no problem showing some of their atributes.
Written by: RoyStone, 30 Mar 2011 2:32 AM
From: Australia
"Latin countries including the DR got the courage to rebel and succeed ..."
Ohh, tomito, now I understand why Australia is such a poor, dormant, backward, corrupt, third-world country, when compared with the magnificent Dominican Republic!
The reality is the Dominican Republic is far more "dependent" USA and World Bank loans than Australia ever was on the British. Thank you, now I understand "the true meaning of independent." Still using American gallons, pounds, etc. while the rest of the world is metric? Still importing much of the stuff on supermarket shelves from USA? Still teaching American English in your schools? Still kissing America's ass? Very independent!
Written by: RoyStone, 30 Mar 2011 2:47 AM
From: Australia
Dominican, Pakistani, Indian, Brazilian beauty queens, Soapie stars or Bollywood princesses - they are all stunningly beautiful, but unfortunately they are not representative of the majority.
Every country has beautiful women. However as far as approachable beautiful women that you can actually have a relationship with are concerned, Dominican Republic is #1 and Brazil #2
Unless you get an invitation from her brothers and father, your references check out, and you are from the same cast and city, you can forget about Indian women.
Which brings me back on topic - not counting the fat pregnant ones, Dominican women are DR's greatest tourist asset - don't need golf, baseball or cricket!
From: United States
yes, Roy. like sending young men to Iraq to die for Uncle Sam, when those dependent states of the British Colonies told Tony Blair and Condi Rice to bugger off. oh, i forgot. they got paid. quid pro quo. nothing some guys will not do for 30 pieces of silver.
Written by: tomito, 30 Mar 2011 11:14 AM
From: United States
Dear Roystone:
Let's not confuse "LOANS" (which have to be paid back) with a country's "Independence". Australia has an external debt of 1.2 trillion dollars but that's not the reason why Queen Elizabeth is its Head of State. Just because the US borrows money from China, does not make Hu Jintao the US Head of State.
We use Gallons and Pounds because we chose to, the same way we chose Celsius and Kilometers instead of Farenheit and Miles.
Let's not forget we have a free trade agreement with the US, so it's only natural we see imports from that country in our supermarkets, same way you see Presidente beer and others in their shelves, nothing wrong with that, imports are not free they also need to be paid for.
As to the American English being taught in school, again, the US is our biggest trade partner, what should we do teach Australian English instead ?
Cont...
Written by: tomito, 30 Mar 2011 11:28 AM
From: United States
Besides, it's not like if you learn "American English" you won't be able to communicate with other English speaking countries.
"kissing Ass" (Definition): Having another country's flag stamped on yours, example. Australian flag.
On a final not, finally something we can agree on:
"Every country has beautiful women. However as far as approachable beautiful women that you can actually have a relationship with are concerned, Dominican Republic is #1 and Brazil #2"
From: United States
tomato, just some info for you. the Queen is the SYMBOLIC head of state for commonwealth countries. she has no real powers in terms of being either a legislator, or an executive. hope you can understand those concepts, and the nuances involved
Written by: tomito, 30 Mar 2011 2:59 PM
From: United States
Dear Dread:
The power of the Queen in Jamaica is much bigger than that and not as simple as you may want others to believe.
The Governor-General of Jamaica represents the Jamaican monarch, and head of state, who holds the title of King or Queen of Jamaica (as of 1962, Queen Elizabeth II).
The Queen, on the advice of the Prime Minister, appoints a Governor-General to be her representative in Jamaica. Neither the Queen nor the Governor-General has any real authority in conducting the administration of the country (however, both possess reserve powers under the constitution which would allow them full control of the nation's governance whenever in their opinion a case of emergency requiring such action arises).
Here's the link if you would like to read a little further:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Governor-General_of_JamaicaSo much for "SYMBOLIC", Long live the Queen !
From: United States
i do not need a link from you to explain the jamaica constitution to me, thank you. i was born there, and worked in the upper end of government. when you do not need the United Nations to come to your country to teach you how to feed school children, the you can tell me about your independence.
Written by: tomito, 30 Mar 2011 4:48 PM
From: United States
I am glad you are familiar with Jamaica's constitution and the great powers bestowed to your great Queen Elizabeth II, I had my doubts when YOU clamed she had "no real powers". By the way nothing wrong with having the UN teach us how to feed school children if it's for their benefit, after all we ASKED them to.
As far as our independence, last time I checked our constitution no, there was no Queen/King, not even "SYMBOLIC", much less with the power to gain full control at her/his discretion.
I will wait for your response, if HER MAJESTY, the Queen of England allows that is.
From: United States, New York City
" Still using American gallons, pounds, etc. while the rest of the world is metric? Still importing much of the stuff on supermarket shelves from USA? Still teaching American English in your schools? Still kissing America's ass? Very independent!"
Pretty strong statement when one considers that the bulk of your popular culture comes from the States. What have you given us in return? Crocodile Dundee. Thanks.
From: United States, New York City
"tomato, just some info for you. the Queen is the SYMBOLIC head of state for commonwealth countries. she has no real powers in terms of being either a legislator, or an executive. hope you can understand those concepts, and the nuances involved"
Monarchy is symbolic of an anachronistic age and not befitting peoples that stem from the Americas. My humble opinion dread.
Written by: RoyStone, 30 Mar 2011 7:48 PM
From: Australia
cibaeño75
"the Queen is the SYMBOLIC head of state for commonwealth countries. she has no real powers .."
Wrong
"however, both possess reserve powers under the constitution which would allow them full control of the nation's governance whenever in their opinion a case of emergency requiring such action arises"
Correct
In 1975 the then Governor General Sir John Kerr sacked the Labor Prime Minister, Gough Whitlam and invited Malcolm Frazer to form a new Liberal Government.
Bit more than symbolism wouldn't you say?
The system works. We have never had a Rafael Trujillo. You have never had a government with the respect and confidence of the majority of the people.
Written by: RoyStone, 30 Mar 2011 8:16 PM
From: Australia
cibaeño75,
...and the Dominican Republic's contribution to popular culture is?
Aventura is virtually unheard of outside DR.
Just off the top of my head,
AC/CD is the worlds most popular current rock band.
Keith Urban a world famous country artist
Nicole Kidman a world famous actress
Mel Gibson and Hugh Jackman world famous actors
Nelly Melba and Dame Joan Sutherland world famous opera singers
Steve Irwin world famous environmentalist
Shall I continue?
Written by: tomito, 30 Mar 2011 8:23 PM
From: United States
Dear Roystone:
It is our friend "Dread", who said the Queen had no real powers on the commonwealth countries and that she was just a "SYMBOLIC" head of state, Cibaeno75 was just quoting him. He then went on to say he knows Jamaica's constitution but apparently forgot to read that part.
You have never had and will never have a Rafael Trujillo because the "Monarch" will simply intervene, unless the Monarch himself/herself becomes one.
Written by: RoyStone, 30 Mar 2011 8:58 PM
From: Australia
"unless the Monarch himself/herself becomes one."
Very good point! There have been some tyrannical British monarchs in the past, however I think it would be unlikely in the content of the current political system. No matter how much political ambition you have, it is not easy to become a monarch.
Reserve power is more about limiting the power of others, rather than exercising ones own. I'm happy with that.
From: United States
tomato, you really would freely admit that you invited the UN to come and teach you how to feed children? i mean, isn't your "democracy" a little too mature to be begging for adult supervision?all living creatures in the zoological kingdom can feed their young by themselves. at least, so i thought, until this happened. as young as our independence is, i hardly rememner the adults having to intervene to keep us in line. at least, not as recently as 1965. as for the notion of a monarchy...i agree that it is absolutely anachronistic. but, at least it has no real effect, or we would have seen jamaicans in Iraq. Queen Bess would have made them go, by mandate, just as Georgie Bush made your guys go, by offering a few pesos. ah, what some guys will do for the "comision".
Written by: tomito, 31 Mar 2011 3:33 AM
From: United States
Dear Dread:
Yes, we asked the UN to help us with our public schools breakfast program, I don't see the fuss in that, also there's a difference between asking and begging and I would not call it "keeping us in line" but rather helping to improve the public schools breakfast program, same way we would ask for help in other areas if need be.
Speaking of the zoo, that reminds me those poor animals in cages are not "independent" either.
The reason why you did not see Jamaicans in Iraq is precisely because Tony Blair was not the King of England, remember the Monarch can just take full control of Jamaica's goverment at her discretion and "intervene". Read the post of our mutual friend from your fellow commonwealth Australia, Roystone who already gave us an example of how quick that can happen within her vast empire.
Cont...
Written by: tomito, 31 Mar 2011 3:45 AM
From: United States
If Bush and Cheney (Halliburton) profited from the Iraq war, why shouldn't Hipolito have? The same way DR's "Commander In Chief " ordered our troops to go to Iraq, He ordered them to return despite efforts by the US to have them stay there.
I wonder where Jamaica's true Commander in Chief lives, let me guess, Buckingham Palace ?
Written by: RoyStone, 31 Mar 2011 6:30 AM
From: Australia
Guys, just some technical points regarding reserve powers.
Australia has been in many armed conflicts worldwide. I am not in favor of this, however this is nor my point. Australia has never committed armed forces on the orders, advice, suggestion or pleading of the Governor General, or the Monarch. I think it would never happen.
The sacking of the Prime minister by the Governor General was not done on the orders, advice, suggestion or pleading of Queen Elizabeth II. He did what he believed was his responsibility and duty to Australia. There was a deadlock in parliament due to the left-wing government “running off the rails”. The election that followed vindicated his actions, although not everyone agreed. You never get anonymity in a genuine democracy.
By contrast, when Rafael Trujillo came to power he received thousands of more votes than there were actual voters!
From: United States
tomito, when you have characters like trujillo and hipolito mejia in your historical DNA, the last subject you should be touching on is governance. as to your assertion that if bush and cheney made money from the Iraq war, then there is no reason that hippo should not have. well, it all depends on your morality. some people do things based on honor, and character. to others, opportunism is the morality. at least the jamaican political directorate would not risk the lives of its young to make a few dollars. they judged the issue on its merits, and told the US and England to take a walk. your guys figured out if there was any money to be made, and that decided their stance on the issue. some guys have principles, i guess. others still need to do a google on what it means.
From: United States, New York City
"cibaeño75,
...and the Dominican Republic's contribution to popular culture is?
Aventura is virtually unheard of outside DR."
What a cop out Mr. Stone. I clearly stated, after your remarks of how dependent DR is on the US, that it was a strange statement to make considering that the bulk of your popular culture comes from the US. You refute my point with obfuscation. Hilarious. BTW Aventura, and I'm not a big fan, is doing pretty damn good by any standards. Maybe some things don't filter down to you in your corner of the world.
http://articles.nydailynews.com/2....17943399_1_romeo-lady-gaga-santosRead the entire article (all three pages) and then get back to me on whether or not you want to refute your statement that no one outside of DR has ever heard of the group.
From: United States, New York City
"cibaeño75[sic]
"the Queen is the SYMBOLIC head of state for commonwealth countries. she has no real powers .."
Wrong
"however, both possess reserve powers under the constitution which would allow them full control of the nation's governance whenever in their opinion a case of emergency requiring such action arises"
Correct"
You must lack the ability to follow threads Mr. Stone for you continue to attribute quotes to me that I have not made. What an aus.
Written by: RoyStone, 31 Mar 2011 7:07 PM
From: Australia
cibaeño75, apologies if I attributed some other quotes to you.
"Aventura, and I'm not a big fan, is doing pretty damn good by any standards." (I think this is yours).
Ahh yes.. I read the advertorial. As I said, virtual unknown in mainstream popular music worldwide. Some Latinos go to their concerts, and they had a hit 8 years ago in Europe, but have never made it on to the British or American charts.
As it turns out, they're not a DR band anyway! They formed in New York, and all were born in New York except one, who has lived there since he was only 14! They may be talented but according to your advertorial, the main thing holding them back is they play wimpy, DR Bachata.
Next?
Written by: tomito, 31 Mar 2011 9:02 PM
From: United States
Dear Dread: Hippo presided one of the worst governments in DR history, but guess what, he was elected by Dominicans, and it was Dominicans who voted him out of power, but the Queen of England won't be voted out of Jamaica. There was no honor in sending Dominican soldiers to Iraq, so just as thousands of contractors went to Iraq to make money, so did the Dominicans, of course Hippo kept the biggest chunck, that's one of the perks of being a corrupt president.
Written by: tomito, 31 Mar 2011 9:17 PM
From: United States
Dear Roystone:
There is a latin billboard chart that Aventura has topped several times, just because they did not make the British charts does not mean they are not a sucess or famous, after all Bachata is performed in Spanish which makes it more difficult.
You don't have to be born in the DR to be 'Dominican", as long as one of your parents is, that is the case with all Aventura members. but have you ever heard of a small time designer called "Oscar de la Renta" or Actress Zoe Saldana who co-starred in a small budget movie called "Avatar", "Star Trek" and others ?
Even back in the 50's and 60's, were you familiar with the biggest playboy of all times, who according to FBI files inspired Ian Fleming's "James Bond", the one who married the two richest women in the world at the time: Doris Duke and Barbara Hutton, had affairs with Marilyn Monroe, Zsa Zsa Gabor, Eva Peron, and pretty much Hollywood's best ?
Continue...
Written by: tomito, 31 Mar 2011 9:38 PM
From: United States
Written by: RoyStone, 31 Mar 2011 9:43 PM
From: Australia
tomito let me guess - the world's biggest playboy was Dominican? You call them Sankeys don't you?
Written by: tomito, 31 Mar 2011 9:59 PM
From: United States
The father and most successful of them all, the difference: Class.
Written by: RoyStone, 31 Mar 2011 10:24 PM
From: Australia
Maria Montez, a real beauty I agree. 26 movies but none made in DR. Tragically died in 1951. Okay if we are going back that far, how about Australian Errol Flynn?
Written by: tomito, 31 Mar 2011 10:52 PM
From: United States
I does not matter if her movies were made outside of the DR, actors/actresses have little control over that, however other movies and or scenes have been shot in the DR, you may have heard of some like "Jurassic Park" , "The Godfather", "Havanna" and most recent "The Good Shepherd" (With Angelina Jolie, Matt Damon, directed by Robert DeNiro).
I never stated Australia didn't have famous people, you may have to get back to Cibaeno75 on that one.
From: United States
tomito muses
There was no honor in sending Dominican soldiers to Iraq, so just as thousands of contractors went to Iraq to make money, so did the Dominicans,
Dominicans did not go to Iraq to make money. they were SENT to Iraq, so the politicos could get their 30 pieces of silver. there is a difference.
From: United States, New York City
Again, Mr. Stone, you chose wisely not to refute my notion that the bulk of your popular culture comes from the US. Nuff said. Next.
Written by: RoyStone, 1 Apr 2011 9:16 PM
From: Australia
cibaeño75, tell me what Australian pop culture comes from USA?
For many Australians, "pop culture" is a contradiction in terms.
I live in a typical DR city, San Cristobal (4th largest). There is no opera house, theater, ballet, museum, library, historic society, musical society, botanic gardens or even a cinema. There is almost no live music, just deafening Hip-Hop from pirated CDs. There are no bookshops, news or magazine stands. Plenty of Bancas and God-shops (Evangelist churches). and bars. Some people can read but they prefer to watch soap-operas or violence on TV. There is a very big base-ball stadium but no concerts there - don't even have baseball as far as I can see! Local radio stations play rubbish, and TV comes from Santo Domingo, which has over a dozen stations showing more rubbish. Sometimes there is chanting, drums and cheese-grater-scraping at the local Catholic church. At Carnival time, guys dress up and go to the city square and whack people with cloth-covered balloo
Written by: RoyStone, 1 Apr 2011 9:19 PM
From: Australia
Yes a very cultured society!
Can't afford books or an education? It's just not a priority. Can afford mobile phones, beer, lottery, and a TV in very bedroom, motorbikes and obesity.
Written by: RoyStone, 1 Apr 2011 9:42 PM
From: Australia
The Australian Ballet Company receives rave reviews in St Petersburg the ballet capital of the world. The Australian Opera Company receives standing ovations in Vienna, the opera capital of the world. Most Dominicans have never seen classical ballet or heard opera. Australian culture has roots from all over the world, not just USA. Our indigenous culture goes back long before Columbus, the Taínos or Caribs, about 40,000 years.
Australian pop music was originally inspired more by the British Beatles than Elvis.
Australian folk music comes more from early Irish settlers. Our Latin music has influences from our huge Italian community. Chinese influences go back to the Gold Rush of the 1850s.
We drive on the left.
USA drive on the right.
DR drive anywhere!
Written by: tomito, 1 Apr 2011 10:01 PM
From: United States
Dear Dread:
Those soldiers were SENT then WIHDRAWN by DR's "Commander in Chief', they only got a portion of the money they were promised (typical in DR) (which by the way was like 4 times their laughable salary), Did the "politicos" pocket the rest ? Sure they did (Typical in DR). But a few soldiers sent to Iraq does not change the fact that the Queen of England is Jamaica's Head of State and able to take full control of the island at her discretion, even your Jamaican Passport is a "friendly" reminder of Her Majesty, as they are issued in "The Monarch's Name" (as pretty much everything else).
Queen Elizabeth II, ratifies Jamaica's treaties, has the prerogative of mercy and can pardon any offense, her powers are inmense in "The Land We Love".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monarchy_of_JamaicaWritten by: RoyStone, 1 Apr 2011 11:20 PM
From: Australia
Tomito, I think you are missing the point regarding QE2
According to Wikipedia,.
"the monarch reigns but does not rule. This means that the monarch's role, and thereby the viceroys' role, is almost entirely symbolic and cultural, acting as a symbol of the legal authority under which all governments and agencies operate, while the Cabinet directs the use of the Royal Prerogative, which includes the privilege to declare war, maintain the Queen's peace, and direct the actions of the Jamaica Defence Force, as well as to summon and prorogue parliament, and call elections. However, it is important to note that the Royal Prerogative belongs to the Crown, and not to any of the ministers, though it may sometimes appear that way,[10] and the royal figures may unilaterally use these powers in exceptional constitutional crisis situations. There are also a few duties which must be specifically performed by, or bills that require assent by, the Queen." Not all bills.
Written by: tomito, 1 Apr 2011 11:51 PM
From: United States
Dear Roy:
An independent country does not need a Queen/King, much less a "foreign one". Just the premise that a foreign lady can legally take full control of a country when she deems fit, is a clear indicator of her power over such country. Even if it is because of a crisis it is still not justified. There is a nuclear crisis in Japan right now, do you think they would allow a Queen to take "full" control of the government ? or the Russians when Chernobyl ? Do you think the Queen can simply take over the governments of the former colonies and now "truly independent" Pakistan or India ?
On another note, just out of curiosity, what's an Aussie doing in SC ? Last year I was in SD and all of a sudden I felt like driving to Palenque, went there, had a couple of Presidentes and a big platter of fish and tostones by the beach, then I just drove back, it was on a weekday so the beach was not crowded and even though Palenque is not my favorite DR beach, I enjoyed it.
From: United States
tomito, i agree that an independent nation does not need a monarch. not any more than an independent nation has to run to an international body to beg for help, because running a school feeding program is outside the scope of its abilities. at least jamaica has run such programs successfully since the 60s, when it also had already understood electricity.
From: United States
by the way, tomito, i will hand it to you that the DR does have a great number of lovely women. until they reach age 25. then, stick a fork in them. they are done. then, the beer, fried foods, and hard living catch up, and they get the bodies of their grandmothers. maybe you failed to see the article, a few weeks back, which stated that Dominican women rank number 14 in the world in obesity. when you are fatter than americans, you have a problem.
From: United States, New York City
"cibaeño75, tell me what Australian pop culture comes from USA?"
Ohh. You don't listen to American music? You don't watch American movies? You don't watch American TV programs? You don't wear American inspired fashion? Over 90 percent of everything I just mentioned in your country stems from the US. It's funny how you try to denigrate Dominican society simply because I pointed this out to you. Someone has a serious inferiority complex when it comes to the US LOL
From: United States, New York City
"Australian pop music was originally inspired more by the British Beatles than Elvis."
Yes. I can here Lennon's influence in all of Kylie Minogue's work. Give me a break. The Beatles, by their own admission, were influenced by American rock, including Elvis. Rock music comes from the US period. Thanks for proving my point, that in one form or another the BULK of your popular culture comes from the US.
Written by: tomito, 4 Apr 2011 12:47 PM
From: United States
Dear Dread:
A simple glimpse at DR women tells you obesity is not a problem in the country. Here's a list of the top 20 fattest countries in the world:
http://www.infoplease.com/world/statistics/obesity.htmlI see where the confusion may have originated from, " Dominican" also refers to people in the tiny island of Dominica (which by the way are #11 in the world), the only difference is the way it is pronounced.
As to "begging the UN for help", Again, we're a founding member of the UN so we are entitled to the benefits it provides if need be, that does not make Ban Ki Moon the King of the DR. The DR has many problems as you well point out (Electricity, we understand it but insist on providing free electricity to half of the population), but so does Jamaica (HIV, Crime rate, etc), the difference is that when these problems are overcome by both nations, 1 will still be independent (DR), the other one a commonwealth of the UK (Jamaica) with a governor general and a Monarch.
From: United States
stand by for adventure, tomito. when Hippo returns, you will wish you had the Queen.
Written by: tomito, 4 Apr 2011 10:00 PM
From: United States
Dear Dread:
I don't know that I'd prefer the Queen, but I'll admit that now that Leo can't run (the lesser of two evils) in case Hippo returns, I'll keep my options open.
Written by: RoyStone, 9 Apr 2011 10:21 AM
From: Australia
Tomito, why can't Leo run again? He already has 2.2 million signatures, and once his staff's wrists have recovered, will have a lot more - enough to change the constitution. "god Save the King!"
Written by: tomito, 9 Apr 2011 4:03 PM
From: United States
Dear Roy:
Leo knows he wouldn't look good by running again and ignoring a constitutional amendment he himself sponsored prohibiting reelection beyond a consecutive term. I'm not sure about the legitimacy of the 2.2 million signatures, but it's possible. Let's see how the scenario unfolds as his wife might run, in essence he would still be in power. It will be either Danilo or
Margarita (Leo) against Hippo. I'm not sure the DR's macho society is ready for a woman in power, but in this case everybody knows it wouldn't be her but Leo calling the shots.
Written by: RoyStone, 9 Apr 2011 8:18 PM
From: Australia
Tomito and Dread,
we a getting way off topic, however if no one objects I'll keep going.
I didn't know limited terms were a recent thing - I assumed it was a post-Trujillo measure.
Don't rule out a female president in DR just because it is a macho country. So is Brazil and look what happened there. Maybe Margarita would be Loe's puppet but, don't assume she will be weak just because she is a woman. The last British Prime Minister to start a war (not just join in one) was a woman (Maggie Thatcher) under Queen Bess against Argentina!
Remember just over 50% of DR voters are female and the macho thing may be a perfect issue for her to ride in on. Many believe that Australia's Prime Minister-ess Jooolia got, endorsement because of gender, despite being a shacked-up Atheist.
Written by: tomito, 9 Apr 2011 9:41 PM
From: United States
Dear Roy: We derailed off topic a long time ago, I don't think anybody cares at this point either, but if you want we can continue under one of the headings related to Leo's decision not to run.
I don't dismiss her at all, as a matter of fact I think she might have the inside lane to her party's nomination, nor do I want to diminish the abilities of women in general, I just said I'm not sure independent voters would have embraced her under different circumstances, like not being the wife of an actual president with all the power and benefits that entails, but given the alternative (Hippo), I think she may have a chance. Still, let's not dismiss Danilo so soon, as he already has a well organized political movement and many supporters within the PLD.
I'm aware about the situation in Brasil, Argentina, Nicaragua and now Guatemala, where the actual president had to get divorced in order for his wife to be able to run under their constitution.
Continue...
Written by: tomito, 9 Apr 2011 10:25 PM
From: United States
On the other hand it's a good thing that things are changing and that now more women are being taken seriously in politics.
Yes, limited presidential terms are a new thing in the DR, and even though it was passed a few years ago, Hippo had the constitution changed to enable him to run for reelection, fortunately by doing that, he enabled Leo and lost to him.
Written by: RoyStone, 9 Apr 2011 10:55 PM
From: Australia
Tomito,
In time I think gender will no loner be relevant. However in the meantime, I think we will see more female nominations made (particularly by the politically-correct left) in the interests of "balance". Do you know about our former Police Commissioner, Christine "I-had-to-eat" Nixon? Very amusing if her appointment was not so tragic.
Written by: RoyStone, 9 Apr 2011 11:15 PM
From: Australia
Tomito & Dread,
Regarding QE2 being Australia's head of state, it is worth noting that the vast majority of Australians are in favor of becoming a republic. However we cannot agree on what form it should take, so better leave it as it is. "If it ain't broke, then don't fix it." Also QE2 has been an exemplary monarch - certainly not typical of some of the idiots who have sat on the British throne over the centuries. Although Prince Charles is the Heir Apparent, many think his son William is more likely to succeed QE2. Still it is early days and he has plenty of time to "put his foot in it" as his father did. It may all be irrelevant by then. Some believe the British monarch has more power in Australia than in Britain! Perhaps because we have a healthy distrust of politicians? With the influx of Islamic immigration, maybe we will end up with an Ayatollah as head of state!
Written by: tomito, 10 Apr 2011 4:51 AM
From: United States
Dear Roy:
If there is something Australians hate more than losing a Rugby or Cricket game, it is when the winners are the Brits. Being that said, it does not surprise me that the vast majority of Australians want to become a republic.
" If it ain't broke don't fix it"
Consider replacing QE2, "Preventive Maintenance". According to you QE2 has been an "examplary monarch", but as you implied, there are no guarantees that such will always be the case.
If you cannot agree on what form of republic to adopt, I have a couple of suggestions:
1) Simply remove the Monarch as head of state and change the name of "Prime Minister" to "President" who would be the new head of state. Eliminate governor general and other monarchy related posts and change the constitution accordingly.
2) If the above fails, or proves a lot more complicated, in the meantime, simply replace QE2 with your own "Monarch", elected by Australians.
I know, easier said than done, but not impossible.
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Written by: tomito, 10 Apr 2011 5:12 AM
From: United States
There are many contries in the world that are republics, I don't see why Australia would not be able to become one if "the vast majority" of its citizens want it.
Finally, "distrust in politicians" as you are well aware by living in DR, that is not exclusive to the commonwealths, but don't let that get in the way of getting rid of monarchs. As to your problem with "islamic immigration", it is a problem, I'm all for freedom of religion, but I don't like it when government and church mix, before you know it, they may want to make kissing in public illegal or banning pork chops in Down Under. I don't know the number of "islamics" in Australia but when it comes to "immigration", we have our more than fair share of problems in DR.
Written by: RoyStone, 10 Apr 2011 8:45 AM
From: Australia
Tomito, thank you for your suggestions. The proposed models at the last referendum were similar.
1) A President elected directly by the people.
2) A President appointed by a vote by both houses of parliament.
Problem with 1) - could end up with a footballer, rock star or soap-opera actor as head of state.
Problem with 2) - people don't trust political appointments.
I agree - no need for a separate head of state at all - let the head of government - the Prime Minister be head of state too.
However as it is, is not a major expense. What is a much bigger waste of money is we still have state governments too. This is a stupid hang-over from when they were separate colonies. Different laws, police force, education system, health system, etc, is crazy! However it will never change. To many public servants will become redundant and need to get real jobs!
Written by: RoyStone, 10 Apr 2011 8:56 AM
From: Australia
I am not too worried about banning pork chops. I am more worried about Draconian anti-blasphemy laws, mutilation and subjugation of women, amputation and stoning as punishments, etc. under Sharia law. It is politically incorrect to say anything against Islam.However Muslims have a god-given duty to impose their faith on the rest of the world.
"Slay them wherever you find them...Idolatry is worse than carnage...Fight against them until idolatry is no more and God's religion reigns supreme."
Surah 2:190-
"Fighting is obligatory for you, much as you dislike it."
Surah 2:216
Written by: tomito, 10 Apr 2011 3:15 PM
From: United States
Dear Roy:
I am glad to see that the desire to become a "republic" in Australia is serious enough to have catapulted a referendum. An actor may become head of state but that's not necesarilly the end of the world, remember Ronald Reagan was first an actor for many years before entering politics. I hope one day Australians give themselves the benefit of the doubt and grab the bull by the horns.
Having different laws in different places, not necesarilly a problem. In the US all 50 states have different laws, different police, etc.., but there are also federal laws. Not having different laws, not necesarilly a bad thing either.
I understand "Change" is hard, but if it is to satisfy the desire of the vast majority of Australians, worth it.
On the other hand, when I mentioned the "banning of pork shops", it was just to denote how islamics would dramatically change Australia if rising to power, as that is just the tip of the iceberg.
Cont.
Written by: tomito, 10 Apr 2011 3:21 PM
From: United States
I would not want to see Australian women surfing wrapped in a burqa either.
I almost forgot, "redundant public servants" getting as real job, Hey I'm all for that !
Again, the sooner Australians get rid of the Monarch the better. One day the monarch may have a change of mood and prevent such definite separation from happening, the brits are very particular when it comes to their territories, as you mentioned, the "Iron Maiden" Thatcher snatched "The Malvinas islands (Falkland) from Argentina while the US simply watched, so they're not going to interfere with one of its best allies.
well whopeee crap for the golfers that come to the dr....what %age of the 4 milion????
now we are getting somewhere....how about violation of the condo law and the money that is suppose to be in the maintenance fund, but has been disttibuted to the OWNERS...
$30 for dinner????
The DR Dentist was pure waste ...
Go to costa rica
"noting that the local tourism sector wasn't consulted. "
Why would they, you are shameless liars?
Only Punta Cana will survive.
Costa Rica does have some good places to visit but it is much less latin than the DR and I think less vibrant ,,just two different places .
BLANCO ..I think the development of the golf courses here in the DR is a wonderful idea to attract people who spend more here than those visiting the AI hotels and I could say the same thing about attracting the yachties .It is good to have a mix .
I also think the future success of our tourist business lies in the restoration of the NW and the sensitive development of the SW area of the DR , including the lake , the moutains and Baharoona
BLANCO ..I think the development of the golf courses here in the DR is a wonderful idea to attract people who spend more here than those visiting the AI hotels and I could say the same thing about attracting the yachties .It is good to have a mix
Ricky, you do not get it. guys who go on vacation, and wish to get in a few rounds of golf, do not need Pebble Beach. a decent course will do. some hacker from Larchmont just wants some good grass, and some holes to knock the ball in. if some guy in the USA wants to go on a golf vacation, he will go to Myrtle Beach, where people understand what he is saying, and he can get immediate medical care if one of his fellow golfers forgets to yell "fore" before swinging lustily with the driver, and hits him in the noggin.
I don´t like what you said about DR Tourism ... ´cause I was gonna say exactly the same thing!
Stayed in a beautiful resort in La Romana - less than half full, ¨hot¨ food was almost cold and the service dreadful.
The north coast is a different story - many families on Sousa Beach and lots of guys kite-surfing off Carbarete Beach.
My impression is most of DR (including the capital) is a 3rd world rubbish tip, while the north coast is part of Europe, only tropical.
I agree with you.
Cabarete is a haven for kite surfing, and attracts a crowd of young kids focused on their sport and on the nightlife. I believe there is only 1 hotel left in operation in Cabarete, but over the past years, condos have grown like mushrooms, and I don't have a clue whom they sell them to.
Sosua has redefined itself as a community for foreign retirees, from everywhere in the world.
It has a life of its own, and only has 2 hotels in operation. And with the new female mayor, the chicas are probably hiding under the sidewalks, because she's made eradicating prostitution her mission in life.
So, maybe all-inclusive tourism in the area is slooooooooooow, but recovery comes through relocation of expat baby boomers.
Do yourselves a favour, If you're not a part of the Jet-Set, stay home and bethink. That way your hard-earned retirement funds will last a longer amount of time...
Second is money sent home from Dominicans living and working overseas. This second source will diminish as their poor mums and dads die off, and the kids become foreign citizens. As the world is becoming more health-conscious the demand for tobacco, rum and sugar exports is declining. Furthermore remaining Dominicans don´t have the work ethic or the skills to develop manufacturing, software development, etc.
@dreadlocks, is right - sunshine, beaches and golf courses are not enough to attract or keep sufficient tourists. There is an over-supply of luxury resorts around the world, and as carbon trading and taxation kicks in, long distance air travel will become too expensive for many.
Meanwhile DR has to contend with and increasing uneducated population (courtesy of unmarried adolescent mothers and Haitian illegal immigration).
Any suggestions?
As I had mentioned on another post, I just visited both Costa Rica and Nicaragua, and although these places are all wonderful in their own way and the DR could learn some best practices from these nations, just like they could learn a lot from DR, when it comes down to the overall, The DR has nothing it could say it envies from these other nations.
Two things DR has to solve to make tourist feel safer and not harassed are:
Hustling Street Vendors:
Dominicans learn need to learn that being pushy in trying to sell something just scares the tourists away. Costa Ricans from what I experienced, don't put pressure to buy, they let the tourist look at what they have and use smart selling tactics.
Peddlers do scare tourists. Nicaragua is probably worse than DR though (didn't experience it in Costa Rica at all)... though, many of our peddlers are Haitian, and if we solve that problem then that would take a huge chunk out of the peddling problems.
If our social system and education was better, then we would have a larger number of skilled workers, thus reducing the number of peddlers and street vendors that hustle so much because they have to buy that carton of milk.
As for prices.. Costa Rica is expensive. From Liberia Airport to my hotel (18km ride) the official Taxi wanted to charge $65 USD and I was able to get it for $60.. which is still a rip off. The Taxis at the hotel charge $50 USD for the same trip. I actually did better by renting a car @$41 USD for a day. The rent car was right on the hotel, which gave me the flexibility to drive to many places and return the car to the rental office at the airport... If more people knew this, these overpriced Taxis would need to scale back on their inflated pricing.
I feel equally sorry for Dreads who thinks other Caribbean countries have better golf courses than the DR ..wrong ,,,the DR has by far the best collection of golf courses in the Caribbean and in Latin America by miles and the golf tourist trade will get even better after the various resorts and clubs package their golfing holidays .
The DR is nothing like Monte Carlo ..it is far more diverse and interesting and yes ,,you are correct , cibaeno ,,we have the wonderful walled city .
Whether other countries are sometimes doing better or not I do not know, but our own industry has been constantly changing to suit demand and it is only those areas that have stayed poorly maintained that are experiencing real problems .
But the world is as is and not as we would like it to be. So DR has to tackle and grapple with her Haitian Problem and learn how to deal with it. Of course, this gets us to the on-going issue of Rule of Law problem in DR. DR will never manage its Haitian Problem unless it becomes a land where the rule of Law operates. Controlling the border and Institutionalizing a Workers Permit Program and thus seeking to manage the surplus labor conditions that prevail in the neighboring state of Haiti is the way to go. And spending more on quality educational programs for the entire DR population will greatly help things.
I disagree. In a third world country such as DR where local unemployment is rampant it would be a fools errand to placate workers from some other nation without taking care of the native population first. There's plenty of "surplus labor" amongst DR's locals.
Thank you for your sympathy but it is not required.
I stand corrected if you are right in saying prostitution is legal here.
It exists in every country, whether it is legal or not. It is particularly prevalent in countries with a large, poorly educated underclass, where women are oppressed and law enforcement is corrupt. Sounds familiar?
Yes, under ideal conditions we in the DR would only offer employment opportunity to the multitude of unemployed Dominicans. But we don't live under ideal conditions; and like it or not, the Haitian labor component is a fact of Dominican life. In fact, Myth to the contrary, I've been reading about how Trujillo himself was instrumental in promoting its use within DR. The issue is how to utilize it and integrate the Dominican component moving forward. There are many as yet un-built infrastructural developments requiring massive amounts of human labor in DR and especially in Haiti. The Haiti developments will use Haitian labor for all but the management and upper technical levels. The DR investments will likely use both labor components. Economic efficiencies and extending the investment dollars will necessitate Haitian labor in DR's infrastructure developments. I see no problem with this as long as the rule of law prevails and REAL documentation rule the day.
Please tell me how to find the historic, entirely walled medieval city you spoke of!
I was so looking forward to seeing historic buildings and relics of Columbus in Santo Domingo. I have been many times to the Colonial Zone which has almost none of these - just American fast-food chains and crappy tourist trinkets made in China. No surprise that savvy tourists fly direct to the north coast and skip the capital altogether.
I do not think there is ¨rampant unemployment ¨ here - more like ¨rampant non-employment¨. Many of the people here only work to get enough food and beer for today, and worry about tomorrow when it comes. Dominicans that do want to work and earn good money are in USA doing the jobs Americans don´t want to do, just as Haitians are doing the jobs here that Dominicans don´t want to do.
I agree DR cannot attract foreign investment as long as people do not believe in the rule of law.
In every country where most people believe in Jesus, respect for the law is very low on the list, as evidenced by the high level of violent crime amongst the poor and corruption amongst the rich.
How about trying to adapt to your new country instead of always trying to pull it down .
What do you expect from a nation that took too many more decades, compared to its neighbor nations, to realize that it was its highest economic growth industry opportunity.
You can't grow without suffering growing pains and the sooner Garcia admits it the better. Now it is the painful part with the social problems, poverty that comes from All Inclusives that don't benefit the local community and only support slave wages. The lack of infrastructure and security will always play catch up as it matures. Lets just hope the Island destination doesn't implode from blood sucking corruption prior to reaching maturity.
I totally agree with you regarding high foreign investment in DR. Our corrupt politicians and lack of transparency have not allowed the full potential to take place, but investments still come in at some of the highest rates in Latin America.
If foreign investment stayed away from DR then
Why then DR was chosen as the first IKEA in Latin America?
Why German investors invested in Helados Bon?
Why is the Latin American Stock Exchange is being built in the DR?
Why Carlos Slim (second Riches Man in the world) bought DR Verizon/Codetel?
These are just few examples for a many... why? why? why?
Roy, there are many things you say that make sense, but your overall attitude to the DR is very poor and, not sure what you are doing in the DR, but whatever it is, with your attitude, I am sure Dominicans would be better off without you, go home and be happy.
BTW.. There there are tons of us Dominicans in the US that are highly educated professionals and do much more than the "job" Americans don't want.. we also do the job Americans can't do, especially those requiring bilingual proficiency. American's, unlike Europeans, are very far behind in learning a second language, which is required in this global economy.
You could have mentioned Orange and Cisneros investing here also and Ferreteria Americana and the list goes on.
I hope that Roy finds his feet here , if he stays here , and can have a little more respect for Dominicans ,I was wondering what would happen to a Dominican who was settling in Australia and said those things about Australia ...he would have few friends .
I do not know all the answers - maybe you can fill me in
Why then DR was chosen as the first IKEA in Latin America? - are they designing and manufacturing here or just importing and selling there stuff here?
Why German investors invested in Helados Bon?
Is this for export or cashing in on the local market?
Why is the Latin American Stock Exchange is being built in the DR?
I have no idea - however stock exchanges, like economists, don¨t actually make anything and employ very few, sometimes make fortunes and sometimes destroy them
Why Carlos Slim (second Riches Man in the world) bought DR Verizon/Codetel?
Again is it for export or just the local market ... I don´t know
now some questions for you - if DR is such a great place to live, work and invest, why are you in USA?
Did you receive your high level of education entirely in DR?
The DR had a chance back in the late 60's after the Constitutionalists were denied victory over the old Trujillato. But unfortunately for us Balaguer and his gang didn't accept the Export Led Model offered by the USA. The same model that South Korea used to advance from poorer than DR status to modern day Advance modernization status in the World. The long bitter journey paved with tough long working schedules, long school hours, and other sacrifices were not implemented. Half measures were taken, NO National Education system worth the name was advanced, and the peso was kept overvalued against the dollar. DR lost an incredible opportunity. :(
Regarding being bilingual, I confess I am not and wish I was. Australians are less bi-lingual than Americans - for the same reasonAmericans are less than Europeans - history and geography.
Europeans have have always had foreigners as very close neighbors. USA, although predominantly colonized by the British, also had French, Spanish and other settlements. Not so Australia.
Perhaps with the internet and American dominance of commerce, all the world will eventually speak (American) English?
I take your points.
As far as I know, Truilljo was a brutal, dictatorial, egotistical dictator. However he did bring the DR into the 20th century. If you want to make omelets, you have to break eggs.
Regarding tourist sites, I found his house much more interesting than the Colonial Zone. Also the Pommier Caves are near here too, with drawings from the Taino Indians.
For a guy that slams very prolifically the Dominican Republic in these pages, you still keep coming back. Umm I wonder what for. You also spend alot of time blogging about it too. You are a funny guy.
DR= Number one destination in the caribbean with more tourists visiting every year, surpassing in a relatively short time other islands that have done so for a living for much longer.
Infrastructure: Neither Cuba nor Jamaica has better, PR does but that's part of the US and lacks the flavor of a tropical island with all the federal laws and regulations (sometimes good, sometimes ridiculous) and the "I will sue you if you fart next to me attitude".
Golf Courses: The best in the region, Myrtle and Augusta (perhaps better cared for, not as beautiful as the ones at Cap Cana or Casa de Campo's Teeth of the Dog. After a few rounds, again no caribbean.
Women: Should I really have to explain... Thailand? Costa Rica? pleeease...
Culture: The best of the Caribbean without "the comunism".
Capital City: By far the most vibrant of the entire region including other parts of the hemisphere.
Continue...
Roads and Highways: Have improved a lot in the last 30 years and still improving. Again, neither Jamaica nor Cuba has better and the rest of the islands for the most part are nothing more than big "sand bars" so a bike or a scooter would suffice.
Corruption: Not unique to the DR but well developed, a lot of room for improvement, but again we're not alone.
Crime: relatively low given the circumstances and the size of the population and in comparison with some of our closest competitors such as Jamaica, Mexico and PR, even lower in tourist areas.
Destination Options: There is not much you can do in other neighboring destinations that you could not do in the DR. Even gambling and Prostitution legal in DR ,just like Vegas without the huge hotels but with the prinstine beaches instead of a desert.
Is this a sign of a "Decaying Tourism Industry"? I think the numbers speak for themselves. I sometimes laugh at the "Gloom and Doom " fanatics that don't yet comprehend the dynamics of the DR and its people. Don't hold your breath, DR tourism is a reality, not perfect but is here to stay for a long time nonetheless, and by the way, "Savvy" visitors don't skip SDQ over POP, maybe just the ones that like windsurfing and don't know any better, or simply can't afford it.
Conclusion: The DR is a "Developing Country" with lots of room for improvement, but it has improved a lot in the last 25 years, only those who lived in the DR then and compare it with today's can attest to the magnitude of the difference and yes some of the problems still persist.
I feel equally sorry for Dreads who thinks other Caribbean countries have better golf courses than the DR ..wrong ,,,the DR has by far the best collection of golf courses in the Caribbean and in Latin America by miles
by far, Ricky? by far better than HALF MOON, TRYALL, CINNAMON HILL? miles better? which planet do you live on? you need to get around, son. you read too many puff pieces , by your own spinmeisters. reviewers all have their ideas of what is good, and what is great. some see Cinnamon Hill as one of the five best courses in the world. some might think otherwise. but, do not get carried away with the hype, Ricky. the DR is new to the game, and has a lot to learn from other guys who have been honing their tools for decades. i will give all the props to the courses at La Romana, and the Punta Cana area. but to claim that they are ¨miles ahead¨is asinine.
Unless the government and the people recognize and understand the country's dependency on the tourism industry
Culture: The best of the Caribbean without "the comunism".
what the hell does that mean? what do you understand culture to mean? are you one of those nitwits who come in this page and tell us that the DR has the best food and music in the region? i mean, just what do you mean by some of this crap? i responded to Ricky about golf courses. i will not bother to debate you, because it would be a fools errand. i just need you to explain what on earth you mean by ¨best culture of the caribbean¨. think it over before you respond, and try to say something intelligent. i am a cantankerous, conrontational sort, and i do not suffer nonsense gladly. please try to make some sense with your reply, or eschew replying at all.
Crime: relatively low given the circumstances and the size of the population and in comparison with some of our closest competitors such as Jamaica, Mexico and PR, even lower in tourist areas.
tomito, kindly enlighten me on how many foreigners have died at the hands of Dominicans, and how many have died at the hands of Jamaicans, in the last two years. being of jamaican descent, i can speak to the issue of violence in jamaica. it is tribal political nonsense, and it is very intense and deadly. but, unlike you report in your inaccurate follies, it does not extend to the tourist areas. far more ¨gringos¨have died at the hands of Dominicans than at the hands of jamaicans. you need to get out more often, and do some research. try to know something before you post these idiocies.
my: Largest GDP and Direct Foreign Investment in the region and increasing to the tune of 7% in recent years with a much bigger middle and upper class including Central America.
much bigger upper and middle class? than who? is this per capita? explain . please....??????
Those questions about why investments occur were rethorical questions... Whether that money stays locally or not is not the point, the point is that investments occur and help the Dominican economy because they employ people in the country.
As for my high level of education?
I got it at both the DR and US. I want to clarify one thing about DRs education problem and that is that this education issue, unfortunately, affects the less fortunate who go to public schools or low income private schools. I am personally from an upper middle class family and my level of basic education (Reading, Math, Science, etc) was EASILY 2-3 levels higher than that of my American counterparts when I came into the US.
So please don't get caught up on the education thing and assume education is bad everywhere.
Why am I in the US? Its called the path of life, why are you in DR?
I came to the US on a student visa to develop my English, once here though, I got involved with Computers and IT, and since that field was relative new in the DR at that time, I thought it would be best to also do college in the U.S, especially since I was in close proximity to one of the top schools in the US for Computer Science. After college I got recruited by a major US financial firm.
If I wanted to become a Doctor, I probably would have gone back to the DR and studied at UNIBE (one of the few colleges outside of the US for which the US accepts as a credited institution for the person to also practice medicine in the US without much red tape)
So, I am employed, bought a house and I am attached to the US. Do I want to come back to DR? Of course, but things aren't as easy to get up and go... but if the opportunity arises, I'll be there. Maybe when the Latin American Stock Exchange is complete
Haiti 700
Nicaragua 1,100
Honduras 1,900
Guatemala 3,000
Jamaica 4,800
Cuba 5,00
Dominica 5,100
Dominican Republic 5,200
Saint Vincent and the Grenadines 5,500
Montenegro 5,800
Grenada 6,000
Saint Lucia 6,100
Colombia 6,400
Costa Rica 7,700
Panama 7,900
Argentina 8.500
Mexico 9,000
Brazil 10,000
Venezuela 10,400
Saint Kitts and Nevis 11,200
Antigua and Barbuda 12,700
Barbados 13,900
Trinidad and Tobago 17,200
Puerto Rico 23,500
British Virgin Islands 45,500
Largest GDP and Direct Foreign Investment in the region and increasing to the tune of 7% in recent years with a much bigger middle and upper class including Central America? Not according to the facts, especially when you consider Brazil has population of 191 million and Dominican Republic is 9.9 million.
1) Culture: Biggest carnival in the region, great music, best and coldest beer, rum (equal or better), best cigars, hospitality by its people, diversed etnicity (not just blacks like many of our neighbors), etc.
2) Crime: a much bigger problem in Jamaica regardless of the cause (there's always a cause for crime, otherwise there would be none), second I specifically noted crime is lower in tourist areas; I never said more "gringos" die in the hands of Dominicans or that more gringos die in the hands of Jamaicans (bring me some of your research you encourage others to do), but remember crime is not just murder. Even if that was the case, you have to consider the DR receives a much bigger number of tourists than Jamaica.
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Plase READ more carefully, I never said "PER CAPITA". When investors both local and foreign open a new "Jumbo Super Market" or IKEA or a new mall, they don't think "Per Capita" but rather how many people have the purchasing power in a given area. As to the Brazil argument, I don't know what the Aussies taught you but you need to purchase a big map and hang it on you wall, BRAZIL IS NOT IN CENTRAL AMERICA.
What do yo mean by region - Hispaniola? You are probably right. Latin America? I went to the DR capital of carnival, La Vega. Very disappointing. Guys in fancy dress walking around hitting people with cloth-covered balloons on string, to the deafening sound of hyper-amplified brain-dead electronic Hip-Hop noise.
I have also been to Carnival in Sao Paulo - also in Latin America. A real, world-class Carnival! Makes La Vega look like a line-up at a kindergarten tuck-shop.
Rates in tourist areas, and those involving tourist may be much lower. However for many tourists, perception is reality.
I agree with your post about RoyStone above and to further your point, it's interesting how for someone who has so much rubbish to say about DR, has kept coming back for seconds. If DR sucks so much, why has he kept coming back to all those other places in DR??? Gotta love the irony.
"Perception is Reality", I agree to some extent and "perception" is one of the reasons why we continue to receive more visitors than any other country in the Caribbean, again "including CENTRAL AMERICA".
DR has some wonderful places and fabulous people. I just get frustrated that some of the beauy provided by nature (God to some, 4.5 billion years of evolution to others) is being destroyed.
I have been very involved in environmental projects clean-up including some provate pilot studies.
I presented a report in a meeting with your Deputy Minister for the Environment. She was very attentive and encouraging, however I think was dissappointed that I was not a wealthy benefactor or representative of the Australian governmnet with a big cheque-book.
Manners maketh man and are welcome even more when a person is a visitor in a country or in a home .
1) Culture: Biggest carnival in the region, great music, best and coldest beer, rum (equal or better), best cigars, hospitality by its people, diversed etnicity (not just blacks like many of our neighbors), etc.
first of all, you really should not put your ignorance on display for all to see. biggest carnival? ever heard of a country called Trinidad? Trinidad carnival makes the DR carnival look like a bunch of amateurs. it is carnival in Rio, on a smaller scale. great music? you mean greater than salsa and reggae? i guess we will now be hearing that Antony Santos is greater than Bob Marley was?best beer? says who? beer is an acquired taste, and everyone thinks that their beer is best. guys who are fond of lagers will give the nod to Red Stripe,
extraordinary how dreadlocks. from Jamaica, whom I have never seen in any golf event here in the DR or in the caribbean or at any club event can now become an expert at golf courses in the caribbean ,
since when do i have to play a sport to be able to read what others think of the courses? i do not have to assess something based on my personal experiences, Ricky. if i were to say that the old Nurburgring was one of the most dangerous race car circuits, does that mean that i would only be allowed to if i had driven it in a race car, myself? or, could i rely on the assessments of others, who had done so? or, am i allowed to quote the findings of fighter pilots, who assess one plane to be better, more agile than the other? after all, i have never been a pilot, myself.
Thank you, my sentiments and observations too.
I believe the Caribbean is at a critical crossroad tourism wise, and many dramatic changes are likely, some being out of the control of DR.
We are a long way from Japan however the recent spate of serious earthquakes makes many tourists, especially Americans, reluctant to holiday in such places.
Cuba is the one to watch for a number of reasons. It is also in a seismic zone, but perhaps not as extreme as Hispanola - I dont know and need to do more research. Cuba's main impediment is political. Communism and a former enemy of the west during the Cold War. However relations with USA and the Obama administration are thawing, and so may be Communism. China is still a Communist country by it now has an enormous tourist trade from Australia.
Red Stripes is good and so is Appleton rum but not better than Presidente (vestida de novia) or Brugal or even Barcelo. Refrigeration comes from electricity, but you will never be served a warm beer in the DR, what we would consider a warm beer could be considered cold around the world. Half of the DR population don't pay for electricity which means they get it for free (not 24 hrs but free nonetheless), we are one of the few countries in the world that provides free electricity for the poor and provide a decent meal for just 5 pesos a plate in "comedores economicos" around the nation. I never heard of jerk chicken, if it is as bad as you say, that's probably the reason. Continue...
I never said being black is a "drawback", but rather to emphasize the value of a more diversed ethnicity, as they say "Variety is the Spice of Life". As to the women, oh no, you didn't...
Regarding ¨oldest Carnival in the Americas which lasts more than a month¨
age or duration is no substitute for intensity or excitement.
I don't know why everything in DR is so drawn out.
Xmas lasts from the beginning of October to the end of January.
Meringue is the same two-chord progression repeated 256 times.
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Please download a map of the American Continent if you feel lost or have no idea where the different contries are or are not familiar with the regions, there are tons of free ones online.
Merengue? You don't know how to dance it, you just think you know, and no I don't know how to dance the very famous native music of Australia, what is it by the way? Is it the Cangaroo Dance? or the Koala dance ?
I never heard of jerk chicken
then, maybe when you get out of your cave, and see the world, we can discuss things. if reggae died in the 80s, as you say, then why are your youth copying it in reggaeton? when did merengue die? as i said, i do not discuss issues like how cold beer is. that is for apostles of ignorance like you and Ricardolito. last i checked, 40 degrees in the DR was the same temperature as 40 degrees in Tibet. only an idiot would believe that his cold is colder. i also do not argue which beer is better, presidente or Red Stripe, since i have american friends who will drink neither, and who swear by budweiser. i understand guys like you, who believe that yours is the best of the best. that is ok. i myself like to put it to statistics. so, let us get some measurable categories into the mix. i submit
EDUCATION
ELECTRICITY
CHILD MORTALITY
GENDER INEQUALITY
HEALTH CARE
DISTRIBUTION OF WEALTH
PERCENTAGE OF POPULATION BELOW POVERTY LINE
INTERNET AND OTHER COMMUNICATION
INNOVATIONS
INTERNATIONAL SPORTING ACHIEVEMENTS
DISEASE ERADICATION
sink your teeth into those categories, and let us get some real discussion going, rather than talkinf crap about beer. as to women...well, we have a third of your population, but boast more international beauty contest winners...hmmm..
I used to go to Costa Rica but I think that San Jose is so polluted and the caribbean side of the country so dirty that it really only leaves the Pacific side and the wonderful interior with all the environmental safeguards .
and i guess that Santo Domingo is pristine. yes, Ricky...with two of the world's most polluted sites on the top 10 list of most polluted places on earth...
It does not surprise me you are afraid to go to Australia through fear of crocodiles or jellyfish since you have obviously never been anywhere.
Australia has far more safe beaches in each state then the entire Caribbean. At DR beaches you have to wear shoes because is the broken glass on the beach and nasty sea-urchin stings in the water (one put me in hospital). DR flora has been decimated and DR fauna is almost non-existent. Despite human habitation many times longer than DR, Australia still has far greater diversity of birds and animals than DR.
Carnival ¨intense ¨ here ... are you kidding? I have seen more excitement at a Sunday-school picnic. Dominican Today couldn't even find a photo or article worth publishing on it.
Meringue would be the most boring music on the planet - 2 chords (dominant and tonic) repeated ad-nausium. Such an exciting dance - walking on the spot!
Four months Xmas is not an indication of DR partying. It is more an indication of the DR importers´ extended season for selling more rubbish to gullible, materialistic Xtians.
DR is very close to the worlds biggest, richest source of tourists, USA. Australia is much further from any major source of tourists, yet attracts more than DR. Also most tourists who go to DR only go once - the return rate is very low compared to other countries, especially Australia. The world population is exploding, however the number of international tourists is diminishing. Without returning tourists, DR tourism will eventually decline, if it is not happening already.
DR has some great attractions, but mostly not the ones you mention.
It is no surprise the DR has the second highest road accident fatality rate per 100,000 in the world.
If you are driving a car and involved in a collision with a motorcycle, you are in big, expensive trouble, even if it was not your fault.
Two days ago here in San Cristobal a driver on a main road hit a motorcycle at an intersection with a minor road. The rider was under age, had no license or learners permit, two paying child passengers and no helmets. The rider received minor injuries. The driver took the rider to hospital and paid for his x-rays. The driver was then locked up by police, despite the rider and passengers stating the driver was not at fault. The driver was only released after the rider´s parents decided not to exercise their right to demand compensation from the driver. The rider received not even a warning from police and says he will continue to ride unlicensed
Women: You talk about beauty pageants, yet I don't recall Jamaica winning the most important one of them Miss Universe. Your women as the rest of you are predominatly black, again not much variety.
Carnival: The Brazil carnival lasts about 3 weeks not just 2 days and draws 2 million people a day, New Orleans lasts 2 weeks, Trini's 2 day of Calypso and Soca does not quite cut it.
Jerk Chicken (Chicken for Jerks ?), Emeril Live ! please stop watching the food channel, they have recipes of many unknown stuff, like you said a gazilion people don't like it, if it's bad forget the recipes.
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Sports: Yes you run faster, but just a handful of our robust number of MLB players make more money than all Jamaican athletes combined.
Electricity: Again we're the only country that provides free electricity to half of its population, but I agree the system needs a lot of improvement but Celso is taking steps towards it now.
Here you go cherry picking categories, we could be back and forth all day long just to give you an example, our GDP per capita (PPP) is higher than yours, life expectancy (healthcare ?), deaths per thousand, HIV per capita, etc and remember we have to carry more than 1 million haitians on our shoulders which affect our statistics a lot:
https://www.cia.gov/library/publi....-factbook/rankorder/2004rank.html
https://www.cia.gov/library/publi....ns/the-world-factbook/geos/jm.htm
Yes Australia is bigger than the entire caribbean (Not Australia's fault) yet the caribbean attracts far more people than Australia, according to you because it's closer to the US (Not the Caribbean's fault).
Driving in the DR? Most tourists dont' drive but rather take cabs because they don't know their way around, that's normal, on the other hand I don't know where you get your statistics but our crash rate is similar to China, Costa Rica, India, Trinidad Tobago, St Lucia and European countries like Poland and lower than Mexico and Qatar, Russia and the UAE (Dubai and others) all of these tourist destinations:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List....ies_by_traffic-related_death_rate
Thank you for the link
Road deaths per 100,000
DR 17.3
Cuba 8.6
Australia 6.8
You say ¨most tourists dont' drive but rather take cabs because they don't know their way around¨,
Most DR cab drivers don't know their way around either - that is why they keep stopping to ask locals for directions.
What is a ¨Cangaroo¨?
Australia has had far more world-wide hits (popular music, not violence) than DR
Meringue is not world famous - Salsa is. From what I have seen, Salsa is as popular in DR as Meringue, but Dominicans do a very lazy form. When my son did Australian Salsa here they cleared the floor for him and his partner and cheered. The women then lined up do dance with him. His impression of Meringue? The most boring, lazy dance he has ever seen.
" It is no surprise the DR has the second highest road accident fatality rate per 100,000 in the world "
Your credibility is in serious question.
and by the way:
DR: 17.3
Cuba: 8.6 (Of course, Not that many cars in Cuba)
Australia (A country of 22 million people the size of a continent, a lot more space to drive).
But as you can read on my previous post: "our crash rate is similar to China, Costa Rica, India, Trinidad Tobago, St Lucia and European countries like Poland and lower than Mexico and Qatar, Russia and the UAE (Dubai and others) all of these tourist destinations", proving Driving is not even close to being a deterrant to Tourism in the DR.
Cab drivers know their way around, that's another lie, when you call one they get to you in under 5 minutes in most cases (another of your lies).
Australia's native music, unknown to most people is way way far less known than Merengue or Bachata.
Cangaroo or Kangaroo :http://www.google.com/search?sour....4ADFA_enUS377US377&q=cangaroo
Australian Salsa, Are you kidding me ?
but what was Australia's " world famous" native music again? The Cangaroo Dance ?
CANGAROO, an acronym for Collaboration of Australia and Nippon (Japan) for a GAmma Ray Observatory in the Outback, is an international collaboration for the Gamma-ray Astrophysics, aiming to study the existence and properties of very high energy gamma rays from celestial objects in the southern sky by using imaging atmospheric Cherenkov telescopes at Woomera, Australia.
You were comparing Merengue and Bachata with Salsa and Reggee. No contest! Regardless none of then are ¨native¨ music - your forefathers exterminated the Caribbrand natives - Tainos and Caribs remenber? There is no real ¨native¨ Austraian music since Aborigines arrived long before the development of music.
¨our crash rate is similar to China, & India,¨
No surprise, - I have driven there too and they have terrible drivers just like here in DR.
YANKEE STADIUM
KOALA BEARS
HUGO CHAVEZ
DISNEY WORLD
NIAGARA FALLS
A BOOMERANG
you have got to be, hands down, the dumbest, most ignorant, uninformed, idiotic cretin that ever graced these pages. does your family know that you are making a spectacle of yourself on the internet, so the entire world can see what a moron you are? you make this statement
Sports: Yes you run faster, but just a handful of our robust number of MLB players make more money than all Jamaican athletes combined.
since when was money the measuring stick? besides, tomato, it is not just sprinters. ever heard of Lennox Lewis? Mike McCallum?Lloyd Honeygan?Razor Ruddock?
Dear Dread, when I refer to coldest beer, I am talking about how the beer is served, tourists don't have a freezer in their room maybe just a tiny refrigerator, Dominican beer is served the coldest in the world, hands down.
i agree, tomato. 40 dominican degrees is colder that 40 albanian degrees. you are the dumbest guy i have ever encountered. but, the least you could do is use your google function. you seem to be some primitive who has not seen very much.
Sports: Yes you run faster, but just a handful of our robust number of MLB players make more money than all Jamaican athletes combined.
i mean, with your "robust number" of MLB players, you get beaten in the world tournament by countries that play the sport on an amateur level, part time the netherlands...and the netherlands antilles. disgraceful. at least, when our sprinters show up for the big dance, they do not get beaten by scrubs. that is because it takes more than just talent to be a winner. it takes character, discipline, courage, and application. and, speaking of combined, jamaican athletes in Beijing garnered as many medals in ONE RACE as the DR has collected in the entire history of the games. the olympics involves ALL PEOPLE. MLB is an american concoction, limited in its scope. i await your studious replies, maybe when you finish your stint as a JEOPARDY contestant
our GDP per capita (PPP) is higher than yours
not really, tomato can. maybe in your galaxy. the GDP PPP in jamaica is 8400 per annum, while in the DR it is 8300. that is the latest available figure, 2010. so, tomato, stick to things you know about, and can understand, like jugando gallo and hanging out at the banca. this economics thing is beyond your comprehension. my money bets that you do not know what PPP means. go ahead..prove me wrong. i dare you!
I don't place a lot of importance on sporting achievements, but you two seem to. Different countries emphasis different sports so it is meaningless to compare using just one. Hence the only meaningful measure is Gold Medals at the Olympic Games.
Australia 136
Cuba 67
Dominican Republic 2
Adjust for population if you like, DR is still pathetic!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-time_Olympic_Games_medal_table
Interesting that many Dominicans blame USA for their problems resulting from the USA ¨invasion¨, but still play their sport and can´t wait to live in USA! I thought DR was colonized by the Spanish. Flaminco to difficult or energetic? Stick to walking on the spot (Meringue).
Tomito,
Thanks for you valuable comments and my advice to you, although I will understand it to be difficult at this point is to try to drop this conversation because no matter what you say, Dreadlocks will find something wrong with anything positive in DR and RoyStone is like a desperate puppy looking for just anything to say for the sake of saying it.
Jamaica has NEVER won Miss Universe:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Miss_Universe_titleholders
Yankees, Koala, Nutty Hugo, Niag. Falls, etc (if you want to "cease" the exchange, I will pretend I don't know anything about them, as for "Boomerang" oh yes I know that one, It's Australia's #1 Sport, is it? ask your friend Roystone.
You keep mentioning 40 degrees, if it's celsius, that reminds me of Jamaican beer. What part of SERVED didn't you get ?
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Merengue and Bachata are Dominican, Reggae is Jamaican (has nothing to do with Tainos). None of these rythms were invented by the Tainos. Salsa, Johnny Pacheco (Dominican) is considered to be the father of that movement, which derived from Cuban "Guaracha". Johnny Pacheco's Fania All Stars, the most successful Salsa band in the 60's and 70's, Salsa all time heavy hitters such as Hector Lavoe, Willie Colon and Ruben Blades just to mention a few.
We don't blame our problems on the US and yes love to play their sport, 15% of MLB players are Domincans. Yes Dominicans love to live in the US, sorry can't say the same about Australia.
I think you are loosing the plot. The article is
¨Dispute on whether Dominican tourism has lost its edge¨
Correct me if I am wrong, but I don´t think many tourists come here to watch baseball.
Neatherlands,
We had done spectator sport to death. I like sport but as a participant not a spectator. It is like eating and sex - I´d rather do it than watch someone else, even if they are much better at it than me! Regardless when was the last time DR hosted the Formula One Grand Prix, the Olympic Games, or any world-wide sporting event other than maybe baseball?
I still don´t know why I should not dance Meringue - unlike real Salsa, Samba or Capoeira, even unfit, overweight, uncoordinated American tourists can do it.
Kangaroo Dance? Remind me how many classical ballet companies DR has touring the world (or even in Santo Domingo).
Seriously, other than fabulous women, what does DR have to offer tourists that is world-class?
Okay, what does that tell you?
I´ll leave it to you guys to argue it out - the pros and cons (both puns intended)
Seriously, other than fabulous women, what does DR have to offer tourists that is world-class?
guys like tomato believe that golf courses and girls can make a tourist industry. they believe that if Thailand can do the girls thing, so can they. WRONG. Thailand has an ancient culture, with temples and classic buildings that draw visitors from all over the world. the food is legendary. it is so much more diverse, that there is no competitition. what these guys fail to realise is that they are competing against others, who are just as good, and better, at the other things. they have been in the game longer, and have landmark attractions. silly as it is, there are yearly competitions, which attract visitors from all over the world, to climb Dunns River Falls, in Jamaica. we need stuff like that here. people from Europe do not need cable cars. they have one in every town there.
as opposed to Jamaicans that get a pat in the back and a medal that some of them will take it straight to the pawn shop.
different strokes for different folks. when the Jamaican athletes need some quick cash, they take their medals to the pawn shop. you, tomato, probably take a different route...hooking up your daughter with some foreigner, and scraping 30% off the top as the " comision".
As I said before, Jamaica has NEVER won Miss Universe, I will again provide with with the link (stop getting caught in LIES):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Miss_Universe_titleholders
Another LIE:The All Inclusive model was invented by Gerard Blitz from Belgium (Please stop talking about stuff you ignore) founder of Club Med (the first resort opened in Mallorca, not Jamaica):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/All-inclusive_resort
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Thailand? The women suck. (too much HIV).
Dubai? Not Alcohol Friendly (illegal to drink in public), you even need to get a license and renew it annually if you want to buy alcohol outside of the hotels that are allowed to sell it,, not all of them are. Forget about alcohol during Ramadan. Being drunk in public a serious crime.
Kissing in public is illegal in Dubai. Ridiculous dress code, specially for women. Women? Please.
International Competitions in the DR (just to name a few):
Pan American Games 2003.
Beach Polo World Cup (Cap Cana)
Windsurfing Classic (Puerto Plata)
Central American Games (many times)
Cap Cana Championship (Golf, PGA Event).
Fiba Americas (Centrobasket 2010).
Baseball Caribbean Series (many times).
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About all the negatives that were mentioned about the DR, some how I find it exotic, different and exciting. We are unique in the sense that we take the negatives of life and turn it into fun. I mean dominicans make a party out of anything. When the lights go off, we make and excuse to get together to laugh and tell jokes right in the middle of the darkness and after the lights come back on we cheer and celebrate. Dominicans, oh my God how we are a special bunch of people indeed.
And it is that charm what makes others want to come back in spite of the many drawbacks.
The Issa Brothers pioneered this nonsense about all inclusives somewhere around 1976
now , tomato, i know that education is not high on your list, so i can forgive your shortcomings. see the word " pioneered"? it is not synonymous with "invented". i know your mad little rush to google led you to the part that says that club med has the first all inclusives. that may be so. the application, and modification of the model for the western hemisphere was done by the Issa Brothers. as to the fact that the DR gets more tourists. well, that should be expected. it is bigger, therefore has more space for hotels. but, tomato, let me introduce you to a wondrous new concept. it is called "per capita". it is a mathematical concept, and, in this case, it goes like this. the DR has 10 million people, give or take a few thousand. it gets 4 million tourists per year. that means, simple math, that there is one tourist for every 2.5 people
John Issa is known as the pioneer of the all-inclusive resort concept, introducing the first such hotel on the island with the development of Negril Beach Village Resort in 1976 (now Hedonism II). let them also explain to you that the latest rankings, which came out a few scant weeks ago, ranks jamaica as the top destination in the caribbean. that does not sound like falling behind to me. then again, you do not know the difference between winning and losing, since you come to the stalwart defense of your team of baseball losers, talking about "short series". in a short series, professionals with balls do not lose to part time amateurs. that is the crux of the matter. Usain Bolt might get beaten, but not by some overweight gas station attendant. your stars, with all the money you talk about, get beaten by part time amateurs. the shame of it.
International Competitions in the DR (just to name a few):
Pan American Games 2003.
Beach Polo World Cup (Cap Cana)
Windsurfing Classic (Puerto Plata)
Central American Games (many times)
Cap Cana Championship (Golf, PGA Event).
Fiba Americas (Centrobasket 2010).
Baseball Caribbean Series (many times).
better name a few more, because none of those seems like anything significant to me. they do not exactly rank up there with the olympics...if you get my drift. beach polo? are you serious? by the awy, i am still having difficulty finding NEATHERLANDS on the map of the world. help!
At the time it did not mean much as it is common for people to make such statement after a short sprint in the DR But what is most remarkable was that it came out from the mouth of one of the pioneers of modern day Caribean tourism. Now that is a compliment indeed, because if anybody knows and can tell the difference between the good and bad, it would most definitely be him
I too have a love of DR and it is also one of my favorite places. However that does not make it a superior tourist destination to Jamaica or anywhere else. Maybe the Issa brother was patronizing you to avoid being knifed in the back? Not a good look at a wedding.
When people ask where I am from and I say Australia they say I look like Crocodile Dundee, thinking they are paying me a complement. I´d rather be compared to Howard Florey, the Australian who discovered Penicillin. I am still trying to find a Dominican who has discovered anything, since DR history is 2.5 times longer than Australian.
You did not specify where John Issa pioneered the All Inclusive concept, and besides Jamaicans copied it from somebody else (what's the difference? don't bother to answer). We copied it from the REAL pioneer Gerard Blitz not the Jamaicans.
I would paid not to get educated by you, readers of this post know why. "Neatherlands" only a fool like you would get stuck on a simple typo.
As impossible as it may seem, I have to admit we share something in common: I don't educate imbeciles for free either, so let me direct you to some useful links, read up on them then comeback to see if you can begin to understand the concept (I won't hold my breath):
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Florey did no such thing. Alexander Fleming is the discoverer of penicillin.
http://www.ehow.com/how_6603297_calculate-nominal-gdp-per-person.html
I agree, most Jamaicans will not pawn their daughters to foreigners, I never said they did it, I did it (allowed it to happen) to this Jamaican girl (She just made it easier by volunteering which again did not surprise me at all).
Tourism? Again you've been in the business long before but DR still #1 show us your "updated report".
As to the international events, and following your "Olympic" drift, at least the most important "Olympic" tournament of the American continent (The Pan Am Games) have been held in the DR, never in Jamaica.
Before you reply with your neverending parade of Nonsense, and continue to make things up as you go, AGAIN, please be so kind to provide LINKS that support your arguments/nonsense.
Can I suggest that before shooting from the hip and contradicting someone who knows more about it that you, you check the facts?
Alexander Fleming, Ernst Boris Chain and Howard Walter Florey jointly received the Nobel Prize for Medicine in 1945. Flemming received most of the recognition since he was the boss, however Florey did most of the work when Flemming was away on holidays.
How many Nobel Prizes have been won by Dominican Republicans?
You seem to contradict yourself or have a love hate relationship with the DR. On one end you state how much you love it yet look for every and any opportunity to down grade and discredit our country. You seem to accentuate our negative and minimize our positives. No doubt we have our flaws and mishaps, but the DR has improved greatly, gone a long way in the last few decades but I am also very aware it has deteriorated in others. Nevertheless, neither was the US, Australia, Canada and most European countries, each and every one of them had there own particular issues before they became what they are. There are growing pains and every country faces challenges that must be overcome prior to becoming mature nation. But this is not about who has the biggest and best penis. Each and everyone one uses the tools that God gave to the best of our abilities, some will enjoy it and others won't.
Okay you want some positives about DR? The biggest ones may not be of use to the tourism industry, which this blog is about.
The greatest difference I find between the rural village I live in here and the suburb I live in back in Melbourne, is the sense of community. Neighbors and relatives wander in and out of each other´s houses without prior arrangement, or even knocking, to borrow a saucepan or have a chat about something, or to share a beer. Meetings and conversations begin spontaneously in the street. If anyone is in trouble or need help, everyone does what they can. To me this is worth more than beaches, resorts of golf-courses.
For what it´s worth, I also have a love-hare relationship with my own country. Australia has problems too, but they are different, almost the opposite, from here. If only I could combine the best of both worlds and create an ideal country. Perhaps we can learn from each other, however we have different priorities. Maybe that is what makes travel worthwhile?
I must said, this is very interesting site to see how many points of view. in the other hand I agree with there has to be implemented a better educational system at the DR. that would definately help solve a lot of problems with ignorance among the dominican people,
if the DR had a better education system, maybe it would not produce half wits like tomato. it is clear that he is a low grade chopo moron, who never got far in school. i asked him several times to give us his take on GDP PPP, and he has declined to respond. well, country bumpkin, when you start throwing such terms around, you should at least understand what they mean. go to google, and try to learn. the alternative is to study economics, which it is painfully obvious that you have not. now go back to squeegeeing your windshield at the overpass, and leave adults to discuss matters which are way above your head.
Can I suggest that before shooting from the hip and contradicting someone who knows more about it that [sic] you, you check the facts?'
Fleming is the one creditted the WORLD over with discovering penicillin. I was not shooting from the hip. Florey was the one who was able to ascertain penicillin's medicinal uses, but that was nearly two decades after Fleming's INITIAL discovery. Maybe you don't know as much as you would like to think? As for Nobel prize winners...DR has none, but the nation of my birth, the US, has plenty, much more than your glorified island. What an aus.
Remind me, how many Nobel Prize winners for Medicine there are in USA per million people?
While you are at it, include the murder rate too.
As to the international events, and following your "Olympic" drift, at least the most important "Olympic" tournament of the American continent (The Pan Am Games) have been held in the DR, never in Jamaica.
let me educate you, hayseed. no smart government really wants to host the pan american games. they are a waste of time, effort, and money. all you do is to build dedicated structures for events that you probably will never stage again after the games are over. they get very little tv revenues, because nobody in Europe, the Far East, Australia, and Africa, care. it is not like you are hosting the World Cup, or the Olympics. all you get are bragging rights, and a big ass debt. just like the Metro. countries send all their scrub athletes, so you do not even have the pleasure of being the site of world record performances. Jamaica reportedly has over 20 guys who can run the 100 meters in a little over 10 flat, yet sent two relay runners to the 100 sprints.
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Again, readers of DT are having a field day watching all the nonsense you make up as you go, Woul you please get off the weed pipe for a day? I guess not.
Please note that the report called "Dominican, Deported and Human" was made by the Northern Manhattan Coalition for Human Rights and the Immigrant Rights Clinic at NYU Law School. Both of these institutions are very well regarded and respected, Please also note that basically what the article states is that 25% of all prisoners in the NY Prison system are of Dominican descent. When you couple that with the US Census Bureau statistics that only 2% of the entire NY State population is of Dominican descent you then have a dynamic that has never before existed in the entire history of US immigration.
http://www.nmcir.org/Deportado%20Dominicano%20y%20Humano.pdf
I take it you did not STUDY the "useful links" I provided you regarding the GDP PPP and Nominal, neither did you provide any LINKS (as usual) supporting your nonsense about the winner of Miss Universe from Jamaica, Did Jamaica win in a parallel universe
i did not ask you for links to GDP PPP. i asked you to tell me what you think it means. i take it to mean that you do not know, so i will let it rest there. as for Miss Universe...i already told you that i stand corrected. i guess that the meaning is lost on you, since you keep repeating your challenges. ask one of your associates, who went to school, to explain the term "stand corrected". i am assuming, of course, that you do know people who went to school. as for "the most important beauty contest"...only in your feeble mind is a beauty contest something of importance.
i know such frivolity impresses you, but some of us have more important things to ponder. now get back in your cell.
Population ain´t everything
India alone (another British Commonwealth Member) has 1,191 million. Australia has hosted the Commonwealth games many time but we don't make a big deal about it. Brazil population 191 million will host the Olympic games, the first Latin American country ever to do so.
Australia currently 22 million, has hosted the Olympic Games not once, but twice.
Hispaniola has roughly the same population as Australia but will never host the Olympic games. I am ready to take bets at 100:1
Hispaniola is not a political entity so how can it host anything?
On the other hand I agree, Hispaniola will probably never host the Olympic Games, just like Australians will probably never dance Merengue or Salsa, same bet ratio or maybe just a case of Foster's.
Paisano, do not get into the habit of referring to the island as a whole. It serves to undermine the fact that there are two disctinct nations located on said island.
¨Australians will probably never dance Merengue or Salsa¨
Dominicans don't either.
I have seen a lot of walking on the spot to boring repetitive Merengue music - that´s dancing?
Also Salsa in DR bears no resemblance to the stylish, energetic Salsa in other countries, including Australia. When my Australian son was here, they cleared the floor, clapped and cheered for him and his partner when he did Salsa, then the women lined up to dance with him while the Dominican guys retreated to the bar for more beer.
Now where do I collect the case of Fosters? Can you make it Dominican rum instead?
It does not surprise me that an Australian asks if Merengue is a dance and finds it boring (I know you probably consider the the kangaroo dance more interesting), please stop associating Salsa with Australia, much less referring to Australian Salsa, there is no such a thing. As to your son, of course they cleared the floor for him, we always do that when we see the spectacle of a drunk crazy tourist trying to dance, the sankies retreated for more beer to get some rest and let someone else do their work, while they contemplated and picked the ones they were going back to the room with that night. But don't feel bad, it happens all the time, not just to your son.
As to the GDP PPP (I was the one who brought the term up) explanation only an ignorant like you would not know what it means neither will I undertake the daunting task to make you comprehend it
i see you are still evading the request to explain GDP PPP. you said that the GDP PPP of the DR was higher than that of Jamaica, which i proved to you was a fallacy. maybe the nominal GDP is higher, but not the PPP. now, if you do not know the difference between the two, you will forever make ignorant remarks, something at which you excel. by the way, how did you like the article i posted regarding incarceration rates?
Since you are such an expert on Australia I would like to know when you were last there. Perhaps never? Obviously you know more about my country that I do, since I have never heard of the Kangaroo Dance. Could it be that you are such an ignorant know-all, the only Australian thing you have heard of is the kangaroo?
Since you are such an expert on Australia I would like to know when you were last there. Perhaps never? Obviously you know more about my country that I do, since I have never heard of the Kangaroo Dance. Could it be that you are such an ignorant know-all, the only Australian thing you have heard of is the kangaroo?
yes, Roy. it is patently evident that tomato is a low grade moron who knows less than nothing about most subjects, due to his obvious unfamiliarity with the interior of a classroom. he is only good at opening himself up to exposure, whereupon he scampers away like a wounded mongrel. a pathetic figure, indeed.
Dread, you failed to take into account the 2009 World Series! Would the Yankees have even made it to the World Series without A-Rod's heroics during the Playoff rounds??
Round 1========.455 Ave 5 hits 2 HRs 6 RBI
Round 2========.429 AVE 9 hits 3 HRs 6 RBI
World Series====.250 AVE 5 hits 1 HR 6 RBI (But 4 of his 5 hits were 3 doubles and 1 HR!)
Alex had himself a Grand Playoff and World Series.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/r/rodrial01.shtml
Please stop googling your way around "baseball". One of the reasons why baseball was banned from the Olympic Games is due to the restrictions MLB team owners put on their players by not allowing them to play since they have nothing to gain and everything to lose. DR "peloteros" are not going to jeopardize their careers and millions of dollars by defying their employers or getting injured. While most teams play with their top tiered players, DR can only send 3rd or 4th tiered or (A) (AA) players since even (AAA) and some (AA) are under contract. Most MLB teams have academies in the DR (wonder why ?) and these youngsters get recruited out of poverty at a very young age.
As to the GDP (PPP) you have not proven anything, but again let's compare our sources (oh that's right you did not provide any):
https://www.cia.gov/library/publi....s/the-world-factbook/geos/jm.html
https://www.cia.gov/library/publi....s/the-world-factbook/geos/dr.html
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By the way, Jamaica's public debt, 126% of GDP !!! I was not aware the price of Marijuana had skyrocketed like that.
Dreadful I know you can do better than this, your link talks about discrimination of Dominican deportees, but since you are now in the "LINK" mood on the crime subject I hope you enjoy these ones too :
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph....r_percap-crime-murders-per-capita
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_tot_cri-crime-total-crimes
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph....cap-crime-total-crimes-per-capita
As you can see, Rastaland got a "bronze medal" in crime among all countries in the world on the first list.
"Obviously you know more about my country that I do, since I have never heard of the Kangaroo Dance"
Follow the link to the definition of the word "Sarcasm":
http://www.answers.com/topic/sarcasm
"Could it be that you are such an ignorant know-all, the only Australian thing you have heard of is the kangaroo?"
No, I've also heard that some Australians could be very stupid (Almost like Dreadful, oops sorry not even close).
Jun 2009 ... The Japanese national debt is $7.47 trillion. This is 170.4 percent of the
Japanese GDP
The Japanese public debt as well as the US is not sustainable over time. Right now the US congress is trying to raise the 14 trillion debt cap once again just to make ends meet. Sooner or later creditors will no longer extend credit to them, the only way to sustain it is if the economy grows at the same pace which we all know it's not happening. The real debt of the US is estimated anywhere between 100 and 200 trillion dollars.
Look at this video (Although he's trying to sell you on the idea to buy gold, pretty much everything he says is true):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nI....amp;feature=player_embedded#at=16
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"Summa Cum Cannabis".
"it will remain a destination that attracts quantity, not quality. 4 million broke ass guys paying 600 dollars for a week of all inclusive drinking and burping, while the billionaires go to St Barts and Grand Cayman, and spend more on a bottle of wine than the charter tourists spend in 7 days".
What an ignorant generalization of a statement!
I am not even going to debate this.
All of your comments are cyclical.
Can you ever bring something new and relevant in your posts.
Apparently the economists in Jamaica graduated from the same school you went to if they think a debt ratio of 126% in relation to the GDP is healthy. They probably graduated with honors like you:
at least they graduated school, unlike you, who seem to have a fear of learning. as i said, sparring with you on simple subjects is ok. debating you on subjects which require knowledge is another matter. i did not spend my time in graduate school to end up discussing economics with a guy who is in need of remedial education. if you believe that the debt ratio is the only important determinant in the issue of debt structure, then it is pointless to argue with you until you take a basic course in economics. as to your failures in baseball...keep making excuses. by the same token that your premier baseball players do not participate in tournaments outside of MLB, major athletes, from all countries, do not attend small, regional affairs.
I am not even going to debate this.
for someone who seems to be so agitated, you should be the first to debate it. my contention is that the DR attracts the lower end tourist, while places like Bermuda, St Barts, and the Cayman Islands attract the well heeled, big spender crowd. debate me! prove me wrong. it is not very manly to attack from behind foliage. come out and do some business....debate the contention, if you can.
When I boarded the ship 2 years ago, we could not see the water because de floating crap. Plastic, cartboard, wood, paper and god knows what else. The only missing was floating corpses. Maybe there was some there and I missed them. The best in the Caribbean ????
I think it is the dirtiest, slimiest and most disorganized of all
go debate him, or her. instead of getting incensed because people make factual statements, you should deploy your efforts towards criticising the status quo, and see if you can improve it. tell me, DRmaker, why it is that a country with such an array of riches in terms of tourist potential, such as the colonial district, has no cruise ship business of which to speak, while a small country like jamaica , with far less resources, is rated the number one cruise ship destination in the world, year after year? debate that.
Is there really such a thing as a TRUSTWORTHY DOMINICAN????
you have a beef with generalizations? there is one for you. now, go bawl to him, if you really mean business.
"my contention is that the DR attracts the lower end tourist, while places like Bermuda, St Barts, and the Cayman Islands attract the well heeled, big spender crowd. debate me! prove me wrong".
I agree, the DR attracts mostly the 'budget minded' tourists. To me there are 2 classes of tourists: the budget minded (or in your words-lower end tourist) - middle income earning families, singles, etc; and the so-called 'well heeled' crowd. But the fact is that the well heeled make up a very small portion of the tourists coming to the big islands in the Carribean such as the DR, Cuba and Jamaica. Sure, they drop a wad of dough while they are vacationing, but they are still the minority.
And you harp about low end tourists staying in All Inclusives in the DR do not spend money outside the AIs, and how the locals are not benefitting . Well, there are lots of AIs in Jamaica, Cuba and in the Mexican resort cities as well.
Hey, I would like to see a different tourism model that would be more equitable to the general population. But for now, the All Inclusive model is all they have. At least it provides some jobs to the locals. And it helps the country's economy - as the resorts buy their produce, meat, beer and liquor locally.
And the comment that the AI tourist does not spend money outside the AI is a myth. I just returned from 2 weeks on the north coast of the DR. I stayed in an AI and saw lots of other guests from my hotel out in the bars, restaurants, salons and stores. I myself spent a lot of money outside the resort - buying things from street vendors, eating at different restaurants, etc. I like get out of the AI and drop some cash. Not only for the goods and services, but to help out the locals - some of whom are my friends.
Hey, I would like to see a different tourism model that would be more equitable to the general population. But for now, the All Inclusive model is all they have. At least it provides some jobs to the locals. And it helps the country's economy - as the resorts buy their produce, meat, beer and liquor locally.
really? provides some jobs, yes. but, what kinds of jobs? are you aware that the AI tourism sector lost almost 7 billion pesos in the last decade? is that something you consider to be viable and functional? take into consideration the social and cultural displacements of tourism, and factor in the cost to a country to implement tourism, and you have to wonder if such a model is worth the effort. an example i use repeatedly...do you realise that foreigners use 10 times as much water as locals over the same period of time? it costs money to become involved in tourism. guys paying 37 dollars per night cannot help an economy.
Those are all valid points you made, but as I have already stated - if the tourism departments in these countries can come up with a model of tourism that is more equitable to the general population, then I am all for it!
" if you believe that the debt ratio is the only important determinant in the issue of debt structure, then it is pointless to argue with you until you take a basic course in economics"
Dear Dread: I never said Jamaica's whopping 126% public debt ratio in relation to its GDP was the "ONLY" important determinant in its debt structure, but it is a huge problem nonetheless, and not sustainable over time, much less healthy.
By the way, AI's benefit the DR a great deal providing thousands of direct and indirect jobs, as these hotels purchase their produce, beer and many other stuff locally, as DRmaker stated. Many hotels open every year, few close. Make no mistake, these hotels are making money, otherwise they would simply shut down. I agree with the notion of Tourism diversity, but not by abandoning the AI's altogether.
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As to baseball talent, again, the fact that MLB teams have the most academies in the DR is not by luck, all the money Dominican players make benefit the DR much more than a few Jamaican medals hanging on the wall and like I said before, some winding up in a pawn shop.
how many world champions have you had, in any sport?
how many world records have you held, or currently hold, in any sport?
how many firsts do you have on record?
how many international tournaments, besides beauty contests, have you won?
how many products do you have on the international list of immediately recognizable national products
how many American contests have you won?
how many Olympic medals?
I never said Jamaica's whopping 126% public debt ratio in relation to its GDP was the "ONLY" important determinant in its debt structure, but it is a huge problem nonetheless, and not sustainable over time, much less healthy
how about explaining why, tomato? inquiring minds want to know...
I share the lack of interest in discussing economics (or anything for that matter) with you too.
By now all readers of DT know you went to school, that seems to be a big feat in Jamaica, there is no need to remind it on every post, you are not the only one. I am not going to dispute your "Summa Cum Cannabis" in economics.
Dominicans play baseball, basketball would come 2nd, we don't waste our time on sports we don't like and much less where there is little money to be made in comparison to baseball.
Instead of playing "cricket" and "soccer" like the UK, Jamaicans should try to become a "truly independent nation" , not a commonwealth realm, and not have the Queen of England as your "Monarch" and "Head of State".
"everything you have, jamaica had it first. telephone, television, you name it"
We had the first University of the Americas, remember for many years we had college graduates while you were still roaming wild. Your ignorance is beyong belief.
Dreadful, your spectacle of ignorance is amazing.
"everything you have, jamaica had it first. telephone, television, you name it".
Jamaica Broadcasting Corporation, August 1963
http://www.jamaica-dream-vacation.com/jamaica-radio.html
Certv (DR) began broadcasting 11 years earlier, August 1952 (Jamaica was not even a "commonwealth realm" but a UK colony).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CERTV
We also have true independence since 1844, your sorry version of independence took place in 1962, over a hundred years later, with Queen Elizabeth II as your head of state still today, same goes for our Australian friend Roystone, what kind of crap is that ?
Need more? try the first city, the first hospital, the first church not only of the caribbean but of the entire continent. All of that while you were still roaming wild in Jamaica.
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AI's continue to make money despite what they want you to believe, if they were losing money for 7 years they would have left by now but the opposite is happening they are opening more AI's. Need an explanation for this too? or is it too much to grasp ?
"how about explaining why, tomato? inquiring minds want to know..."
Explaining why Jamaica's public debt is a whopping 126% of its GDP is simple, it happens when a country borrows like a drunken sailor but does not grow enough, but what do I know, you are the "Summa Cum Cannabis" in economics after all. You seem to need an explanation for the most obvious facts in the universe. Not that I will be surprised but what's next? Why is Jamaica in the Caribbean? or Why are Jamaicans from Jamaica?
At the climax of his high, Dreadful offers this masterpiece:
"but the sport of cricket has a far bigger pool of players and spectators than baseball, since it is played by India, Pakistan, Australia, New Zealand, the UK, the West Indies, Sri Lanka, to name a few. there are numerous jamaicans playing professional cricket"
And what do these countries have in common? Until recently they were all UK colonies and except for Pakistan and India (which were the same country not too long ago) they unbelievably still recognize a "foreign queen" as their head of state.
Just because India has a much bigger population than the US does not make "Bollywood better than Hollywood" . Dominicans would not watch a cricket game even if one could bet on it at a "Banca". Again DR players follow the money why waste your time on cricket.
Come back and provide links that support your arguments instead of the boring whining of "I went to school" , it's not our fault you are unemployed.
Yes we do have a foreign queen as our head of state. We have also had a stable democratic form of government for the last 110 years - our entire history as a nation. Contrast with DR!
You are wrong about the colonies. Australia was never a colony , although some of the states were until 1901 - hardy recent.
Pakistan and India were never the same country. India, which included what is now Pakistan and Bangladesh) was a British colony until recently (1947) when the British granted independence, and divided India on religious grounds.
India is now the world's biggest democracy (by population).
Interesting that most British colonies achieved independence by peaceful means and have chosen to keep the British crown as head of state.
"If it aint broke, don't fix it!"
What has DR got?
"Dominicans would not watch a cricket game even if one could bet on it at a "Banca"."
I was not aware Dominicans can bet on Soap-operas at a Banca.
Is that why they watch that rubbish?
Most of it is not even made in DR - made in Brazil I believe.
Anyway you are right that Dominicans have no interest in cricket - it is a gentleman's game!
Anyway you are right that Dominicans have no interest in cricket - it is a gentleman's game!
it is too complicated for them to understand. as far as going to college being a feat in Jamaica...the last thing i would expect from tomato is a foray into the realm of education. i guess he is too busy jugando gallo to read the reports from international institutions, which place the DR at the bottom of the world's educational barrel. and, tomato, kindly tell us when in history Australia was a colony, and when India and Pakistan were the same country. seems like your school system has failed you , again.
, and don't forget we produce some of the finest women on earth.
number 4 in the world behind Thailand, Brazil, and the Philipines. i remembered.
Explaining why Jamaica's public debt is a whopping 126% of its GDP is simple, it happens when a country borrows like a drunken sailor but does not grow enough
a country's debt portfolio is not a static figure. countries borrow different amounts of money, at different times, depending on their development strategies. so, the figure you cite, 126%, is variable. if a government has a 10 year plan, it might borrow large sums of money today, and that figure could be skewed to reflect severe indebtedness. however, it is the ability to repay WHEN THE LOANS COME DUE that matters. anyway, why do i bother to discuss anything with you? you seem to have a lot of free time on your hands, and have decided to be present as an indomitable irritant. i guess that is to be expected every so often from you, when you send the wife over to gringo for a few days.
Certv (DR) began broadcasting 11 years earlier, August 1952 (Jamaica was not even a "commonwealth realm" but a UK colony).
radio jamaica started broadcasting in 1950. so, let me explain how that works. 1950 comes before 1952. understand ,now?
We also have true independence since 1844, your sorry version of independence took place in 1962, over a hundred years later, with Queen Elizabeth II as your head of state still today, same goes for our Australian friend Roystone, what kind of crap is that ?
in the immediate years before jamaica was granted independence by the Queen , you and yours were still hiding under your beds from Trujillo. at least we never had some maniacal dictators in our history. the country was always run by educated, civilised, urbane people, not mass murderers and goons. you keep harping about money, since that is the only thing you seem to hold in any degree of esteem. that tells me that you have none. maybe if your political leaders had a shred of decency, and honor, the potential of your country could be realized. instead, they all seem to be like you...talk a good game, and make excuses when you flop. sad
This is a link from an Australian gvmt webpage, it this isn't colonialism, it sure looks a lot like it:
http://www.cultureandrecreation.gov.au/articles/australianhistory/
Even if what you stated was true and part of Australia was not colonized, did they then come up with the brilliant idea to volunteer their non colonized lands to the UK?
This has to be the mother of all contradictions:
"Pakistan and India were never the same country. India, which included what is now Pakistan and Bangladesh) was a British colony until recently (1947) when the British granted independence, and divided India on religious grounds"
Maybe they were not "independent countries"but they were treated as one single colony.
I don't care if Australia had democratic stability before the DR, the fact is that We now have it and are a true free country while the Aussies chant "Long live the Queen". Independence ?
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What a couple of morons or should I say "Pariguayos". What kind of pathetic response is that, I can image how it would sound live. No we don't play to be "Gentle" but to make money, no shame on that.
Dominicans, women for the msot part love "soap operas", I don't watch them myself but I have to admit that I would rather watch the Brazilian or Venezuelan beauties over a bunch of Pakis.
"so, the figure you cite, 126%, is variable. if a government has a 10 year plan, it might borrow large sums of money today, and that figure could be skewed to reflect severe indebtedness. however, it is the ability to repay WHEN THE LOANS COME DUE that matters"
Of course is variable but only if you either pay it down the "Severe Indebtedness" or grow at a faster pace, which Jamaica is not doing either. What a great plan for 10 years.
This is one of my favorites:
"radio jamaica started broadcasting in 1950. so, let me explain how that works. 1950 comes before 1952. understand ,now?"
What part of RADIO and not TV didn't you get ?
Dreadful READ it again, if you can:
On July 9, 1950 commercial radio broadcasting began in Jamaica and Radio Jamaica (RJR) was born.
The Jamaica Broadcasting Corporation (JBC) was created by the Government in 1958.
JBC included both state-owned radio and television stations.
I've seen some drop dead gorgeous Pakistani women, absolutely breathtaking. Don't underestimate the beauty that exists among those people.
I don't underestimate them, some maybe beautiful even though they are way too conservative so there isnt much you will see on Pakistani TV, but I was talking about men playing cricket. Don't tell me you would rather watch them over some Brazilian or Venezuelan beauties who have no problem showing some of their atributes.
Ohh, tomito, now I understand why Australia is such a poor, dormant, backward, corrupt, third-world country, when compared with the magnificent Dominican Republic!
The reality is the Dominican Republic is far more "dependent" USA and World Bank loans than Australia ever was on the British. Thank you, now I understand "the true meaning of independent." Still using American gallons, pounds, etc. while the rest of the world is metric? Still importing much of the stuff on supermarket shelves from USA? Still teaching American English in your schools? Still kissing America's ass? Very independent!
Every country has beautiful women. However as far as approachable beautiful women that you can actually have a relationship with are concerned, Dominican Republic is #1 and Brazil #2
Unless you get an invitation from her brothers and father, your references check out, and you are from the same cast and city, you can forget about Indian women.
Which brings me back on topic - not counting the fat pregnant ones, Dominican women are DR's greatest tourist asset - don't need golf, baseball or cricket!
Dear Roystone:
Let's not confuse "LOANS" (which have to be paid back) with a country's "Independence". Australia has an external debt of 1.2 trillion dollars but that's not the reason why Queen Elizabeth is its Head of State. Just because the US borrows money from China, does not make Hu Jintao the US Head of State.
We use Gallons and Pounds because we chose to, the same way we chose Celsius and Kilometers instead of Farenheit and Miles.
Let's not forget we have a free trade agreement with the US, so it's only natural we see imports from that country in our supermarkets, same way you see Presidente beer and others in their shelves, nothing wrong with that, imports are not free they also need to be paid for.
As to the American English being taught in school, again, the US is our biggest trade partner, what should we do teach Australian English instead ?
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"kissing Ass" (Definition): Having another country's flag stamped on yours, example. Australian flag.
On a final not, finally something we can agree on:
"Every country has beautiful women. However as far as approachable beautiful women that you can actually have a relationship with are concerned, Dominican Republic is #1 and Brazil #2"
The power of the Queen in Jamaica is much bigger than that and not as simple as you may want others to believe.
The Governor-General of Jamaica represents the Jamaican monarch, and head of state, who holds the title of King or Queen of Jamaica (as of 1962, Queen Elizabeth II).
The Queen, on the advice of the Prime Minister, appoints a Governor-General to be her representative in Jamaica. Neither the Queen nor the Governor-General has any real authority in conducting the administration of the country (however, both possess reserve powers under the constitution which would allow them full control of the nation's governance whenever in their opinion a case of emergency requiring such action arises).
Here's the link if you would like to read a little further:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Governor-General_of_Jamaica
So much for "SYMBOLIC", Long live the Queen !
As far as our independence, last time I checked our constitution no, there was no Queen/King, not even "SYMBOLIC", much less with the power to gain full control at her/his discretion.
I will wait for your response, if HER MAJESTY, the Queen of England allows that is.
Pretty strong statement when one considers that the bulk of your popular culture comes from the States. What have you given us in return? Crocodile Dundee. Thanks.
Monarchy is symbolic of an anachronistic age and not befitting peoples that stem from the Americas. My humble opinion dread.
"the Queen is the SYMBOLIC head of state for commonwealth countries. she has no real powers .."
Wrong
"however, both possess reserve powers under the constitution which would allow them full control of the nation's governance whenever in their opinion a case of emergency requiring such action arises"
Correct
In 1975 the then Governor General Sir John Kerr sacked the Labor Prime Minister, Gough Whitlam and invited Malcolm Frazer to form a new Liberal Government.
Bit more than symbolism wouldn't you say?
The system works. We have never had a Rafael Trujillo. You have never had a government with the respect and confidence of the majority of the people.
...and the Dominican Republic's contribution to popular culture is?
Aventura is virtually unheard of outside DR.
Just off the top of my head,
AC/CD is the worlds most popular current rock band.
Keith Urban a world famous country artist
Nicole Kidman a world famous actress
Mel Gibson and Hugh Jackman world famous actors
Nelly Melba and Dame Joan Sutherland world famous opera singers
Steve Irwin world famous environmentalist
Shall I continue?
It is our friend "Dread", who said the Queen had no real powers on the commonwealth countries and that she was just a "SYMBOLIC" head of state, Cibaeno75 was just quoting him. He then went on to say he knows Jamaica's constitution but apparently forgot to read that part.
You have never had and will never have a Rafael Trujillo because the "Monarch" will simply intervene, unless the Monarch himself/herself becomes one.
Very good point! There have been some tyrannical British monarchs in the past, however I think it would be unlikely in the content of the current political system. No matter how much political ambition you have, it is not easy to become a monarch.
Reserve power is more about limiting the power of others, rather than exercising ones own. I'm happy with that.
Yes, we asked the UN to help us with our public schools breakfast program, I don't see the fuss in that, also there's a difference between asking and begging and I would not call it "keeping us in line" but rather helping to improve the public schools breakfast program, same way we would ask for help in other areas if need be.
Speaking of the zoo, that reminds me those poor animals in cages are not "independent" either.
The reason why you did not see Jamaicans in Iraq is precisely because Tony Blair was not the King of England, remember the Monarch can just take full control of Jamaica's goverment at her discretion and "intervene". Read the post of our mutual friend from your fellow commonwealth Australia, Roystone who already gave us an example of how quick that can happen within her vast empire.
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I wonder where Jamaica's true Commander in Chief lives, let me guess, Buckingham Palace ?
Australia has been in many armed conflicts worldwide. I am not in favor of this, however this is nor my point. Australia has never committed armed forces on the orders, advice, suggestion or pleading of the Governor General, or the Monarch. I think it would never happen.
The sacking of the Prime minister by the Governor General was not done on the orders, advice, suggestion or pleading of Queen Elizabeth II. He did what he believed was his responsibility and duty to Australia. There was a deadlock in parliament due to the left-wing government “running off the rails”. The election that followed vindicated his actions, although not everyone agreed. You never get anonymity in a genuine democracy.
By contrast, when Rafael Trujillo came to power he received thousands of more votes than there were actual voters!
...and the Dominican Republic's contribution to popular culture is?
Aventura is virtually unheard of outside DR."
What a cop out Mr. Stone. I clearly stated, after your remarks of how dependent DR is on the US, that it was a strange statement to make considering that the bulk of your popular culture comes from the US. You refute my point with obfuscation. Hilarious. BTW Aventura, and I'm not a big fan, is doing pretty damn good by any standards. Maybe some things don't filter down to you in your corner of the world.
http://articles.nydailynews.com/2....17943399_1_romeo-lady-gaga-santos
Read the entire article (all three pages) and then get back to me on whether or not you want to refute your statement that no one outside of DR has ever heard of the group.
"the Queen is the SYMBOLIC head of state for commonwealth countries. she has no real powers .."
Wrong
"however, both possess reserve powers under the constitution which would allow them full control of the nation's governance whenever in their opinion a case of emergency requiring such action arises"
Correct"
You must lack the ability to follow threads Mr. Stone for you continue to attribute quotes to me that I have not made. What an aus.
"Aventura, and I'm not a big fan, is doing pretty damn good by any standards." (I think this is yours).
Ahh yes.. I read the advertorial. As I said, virtual unknown in mainstream popular music worldwide. Some Latinos go to their concerts, and they had a hit 8 years ago in Europe, but have never made it on to the British or American charts.
As it turns out, they're not a DR band anyway! They formed in New York, and all were born in New York except one, who has lived there since he was only 14! They may be talented but according to your advertorial, the main thing holding them back is they play wimpy, DR Bachata.
Next?
There is a latin billboard chart that Aventura has topped several times, just because they did not make the British charts does not mean they are not a sucess or famous, after all Bachata is performed in Spanish which makes it more difficult.
You don't have to be born in the DR to be 'Dominican", as long as one of your parents is, that is the case with all Aventura members. but have you ever heard of a small time designer called "Oscar de la Renta" or Actress Zoe Saldana who co-starred in a small budget movie called "Avatar", "Star Trek" and others ?
Even back in the 50's and 60's, were you familiar with the biggest playboy of all times, who according to FBI files inspired Ian Fleming's "James Bond", the one who married the two richest women in the world at the time: Doris Duke and Barbara Hutton, had affairs with Marilyn Monroe, Zsa Zsa Gabor, Eva Peron, and pretty much Hollywood's best ?
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http://theselvedgeyard.wordpress.....he-famous-international-playboys/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1BnvNtUUqI
http://www.pulpinternational.com/....l-story-on-Porfirio-Rubirosa.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ebruDnLFQQ
A statue of him in Boca Chica is long over due, it should read: "The Father of All Sankies".
How about one of the most famous actresses of her time, better known as "The Queen of Technicolor" Maria Montez, you may have heard of movies like "Arabian Nights" or "Ali Baba and the 40 Thieves"
http://www.briansdriveintheater.com/mariamontez.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSNOeHdrAUo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6AcaDYXVZ4&feature=related
There are many things about Dominicans you stil ignore.
I never stated Australia didn't have famous people, you may have to get back to Cibaeno75 on that one.
There was no honor in sending Dominican soldiers to Iraq, so just as thousands of contractors went to Iraq to make money, so did the Dominicans,
Dominicans did not go to Iraq to make money. they were SENT to Iraq, so the politicos could get their 30 pieces of silver. there is a difference.
For many Australians, "pop culture" is a contradiction in terms.
I live in a typical DR city, San Cristobal (4th largest). There is no opera house, theater, ballet, museum, library, historic society, musical society, botanic gardens or even a cinema. There is almost no live music, just deafening Hip-Hop from pirated CDs. There are no bookshops, news or magazine stands. Plenty of Bancas and God-shops (Evangelist churches). and bars. Some people can read but they prefer to watch soap-operas or violence on TV. There is a very big base-ball stadium but no concerts there - don't even have baseball as far as I can see! Local radio stations play rubbish, and TV comes from Santo Domingo, which has over a dozen stations showing more rubbish. Sometimes there is chanting, drums and cheese-grater-scraping at the local Catholic church. At Carnival time, guys dress up and go to the city square and whack people with cloth-covered balloo
Can't afford books or an education? It's just not a priority. Can afford mobile phones, beer, lottery, and a TV in very bedroom, motorbikes and obesity.
Australian pop music was originally inspired more by the British Beatles than Elvis.
Australian folk music comes more from early Irish settlers. Our Latin music has influences from our huge Italian community. Chinese influences go back to the Gold Rush of the 1850s.
We drive on the left.
USA drive on the right.
DR drive anywhere!
Those soldiers were SENT then WIHDRAWN by DR's "Commander in Chief', they only got a portion of the money they were promised (typical in DR) (which by the way was like 4 times their laughable salary), Did the "politicos" pocket the rest ? Sure they did (Typical in DR). But a few soldiers sent to Iraq does not change the fact that the Queen of England is Jamaica's Head of State and able to take full control of the island at her discretion, even your Jamaican Passport is a "friendly" reminder of Her Majesty, as they are issued in "The Monarch's Name" (as pretty much everything else).
Queen Elizabeth II, ratifies Jamaica's treaties, has the prerogative of mercy and can pardon any offense, her powers are inmense in "The Land We Love".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monarchy_of_Jamaica
According to Wikipedia,.
"the monarch reigns but does not rule. This means that the monarch's role, and thereby the viceroys' role, is almost entirely symbolic and cultural, acting as a symbol of the legal authority under which all governments and agencies operate, while the Cabinet directs the use of the Royal Prerogative, which includes the privilege to declare war, maintain the Queen's peace, and direct the actions of the Jamaica Defence Force, as well as to summon and prorogue parliament, and call elections. However, it is important to note that the Royal Prerogative belongs to the Crown, and not to any of the ministers, though it may sometimes appear that way,[10] and the royal figures may unilaterally use these powers in exceptional constitutional crisis situations. There are also a few duties which must be specifically performed by, or bills that require assent by, the Queen." Not all bills.
An independent country does not need a Queen/King, much less a "foreign one". Just the premise that a foreign lady can legally take full control of a country when she deems fit, is a clear indicator of her power over such country. Even if it is because of a crisis it is still not justified. There is a nuclear crisis in Japan right now, do you think they would allow a Queen to take "full" control of the government ? or the Russians when Chernobyl ? Do you think the Queen can simply take over the governments of the former colonies and now "truly independent" Pakistan or India ?
On another note, just out of curiosity, what's an Aussie doing in SC ? Last year I was in SD and all of a sudden I felt like driving to Palenque, went there, had a couple of Presidentes and a big platter of fish and tostones by the beach, then I just drove back, it was on a weekday so the beach was not crowded and even though Palenque is not my favorite DR beach, I enjoyed it.
Ohh. You don't listen to American music? You don't watch American movies? You don't watch American TV programs? You don't wear American inspired fashion? Over 90 percent of everything I just mentioned in your country stems from the US. It's funny how you try to denigrate Dominican society simply because I pointed this out to you. Someone has a serious inferiority complex when it comes to the US LOL
Yes. I can here Lennon's influence in all of Kylie Minogue's work. Give me a break. The Beatles, by their own admission, were influenced by American rock, including Elvis. Rock music comes from the US period. Thanks for proving my point, that in one form or another the BULK of your popular culture comes from the US.
A simple glimpse at DR women tells you obesity is not a problem in the country. Here's a list of the top 20 fattest countries in the world:
http://www.infoplease.com/world/statistics/obesity.html
I see where the confusion may have originated from, " Dominican" also refers to people in the tiny island of Dominica (which by the way are #11 in the world), the only difference is the way it is pronounced.
As to "begging the UN for help", Again, we're a founding member of the UN so we are entitled to the benefits it provides if need be, that does not make Ban Ki Moon the King of the DR. The DR has many problems as you well point out (Electricity, we understand it but insist on providing free electricity to half of the population), but so does Jamaica (HIV, Crime rate, etc), the difference is that when these problems are overcome by both nations, 1 will still be independent (DR), the other one a commonwealth of the UK (Jamaica) with a governor general and a Monarch.
I don't know that I'd prefer the Queen, but I'll admit that now that Leo can't run (the lesser of two evils) in case Hippo returns, I'll keep my options open.
Leo knows he wouldn't look good by running again and ignoring a constitutional amendment he himself sponsored prohibiting reelection beyond a consecutive term. I'm not sure about the legitimacy of the 2.2 million signatures, but it's possible. Let's see how the scenario unfolds as his wife might run, in essence he would still be in power. It will be either Danilo or
Margarita (Leo) against Hippo. I'm not sure the DR's macho society is ready for a woman in power, but in this case everybody knows it wouldn't be her but Leo calling the shots.
we a getting way off topic, however if no one objects I'll keep going.
I didn't know limited terms were a recent thing - I assumed it was a post-Trujillo measure.
Don't rule out a female president in DR just because it is a macho country. So is Brazil and look what happened there. Maybe Margarita would be Loe's puppet but, don't assume she will be weak just because she is a woman. The last British Prime Minister to start a war (not just join in one) was a woman (Maggie Thatcher) under Queen Bess against Argentina!
Remember just over 50% of DR voters are female and the macho thing may be a perfect issue for her to ride in on. Many believe that Australia's Prime Minister-ess Jooolia got, endorsement because of gender, despite being a shacked-up Atheist.
I don't dismiss her at all, as a matter of fact I think she might have the inside lane to her party's nomination, nor do I want to diminish the abilities of women in general, I just said I'm not sure independent voters would have embraced her under different circumstances, like not being the wife of an actual president with all the power and benefits that entails, but given the alternative (Hippo), I think she may have a chance. Still, let's not dismiss Danilo so soon, as he already has a well organized political movement and many supporters within the PLD.
I'm aware about the situation in Brasil, Argentina, Nicaragua and now Guatemala, where the actual president had to get divorced in order for his wife to be able to run under their constitution.
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Yes, limited presidential terms are a new thing in the DR, and even though it was passed a few years ago, Hippo had the constitution changed to enable him to run for reelection, fortunately by doing that, he enabled Leo and lost to him.
In time I think gender will no loner be relevant. However in the meantime, I think we will see more female nominations made (particularly by the politically-correct left) in the interests of "balance". Do you know about our former Police Commissioner, Christine "I-had-to-eat" Nixon? Very amusing if her appointment was not so tragic.
Regarding QE2 being Australia's head of state, it is worth noting that the vast majority of Australians are in favor of becoming a republic. However we cannot agree on what form it should take, so better leave it as it is. "If it ain't broke, then don't fix it." Also QE2 has been an exemplary monarch - certainly not typical of some of the idiots who have sat on the British throne over the centuries. Although Prince Charles is the Heir Apparent, many think his son William is more likely to succeed QE2. Still it is early days and he has plenty of time to "put his foot in it" as his father did. It may all be irrelevant by then. Some believe the British monarch has more power in Australia than in Britain! Perhaps because we have a healthy distrust of politicians? With the influx of Islamic immigration, maybe we will end up with an Ayatollah as head of state!
If there is something Australians hate more than losing a Rugby or Cricket game, it is when the winners are the Brits. Being that said, it does not surprise me that the vast majority of Australians want to become a republic.
" If it ain't broke don't fix it"
Consider replacing QE2, "Preventive Maintenance". According to you QE2 has been an "examplary monarch", but as you implied, there are no guarantees that such will always be the case.
If you cannot agree on what form of republic to adopt, I have a couple of suggestions:
1) Simply remove the Monarch as head of state and change the name of "Prime Minister" to "President" who would be the new head of state. Eliminate governor general and other monarchy related posts and change the constitution accordingly.
2) If the above fails, or proves a lot more complicated, in the meantime, simply replace QE2 with your own "Monarch", elected by Australians.
I know, easier said than done, but not impossible.
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Finally, "distrust in politicians" as you are well aware by living in DR, that is not exclusive to the commonwealths, but don't let that get in the way of getting rid of monarchs. As to your problem with "islamic immigration", it is a problem, I'm all for freedom of religion, but I don't like it when government and church mix, before you know it, they may want to make kissing in public illegal or banning pork chops in Down Under. I don't know the number of "islamics" in Australia but when it comes to "immigration", we have our more than fair share of problems in DR.
1) A President elected directly by the people.
2) A President appointed by a vote by both houses of parliament.
Problem with 1) - could end up with a footballer, rock star or soap-opera actor as head of state.
Problem with 2) - people don't trust political appointments.
I agree - no need for a separate head of state at all - let the head of government - the Prime Minister be head of state too.
However as it is, is not a major expense. What is a much bigger waste of money is we still have state governments too. This is a stupid hang-over from when they were separate colonies. Different laws, police force, education system, health system, etc, is crazy! However it will never change. To many public servants will become redundant and need to get real jobs!
"Slay them wherever you find them...Idolatry is worse than carnage...Fight against them until idolatry is no more and God's religion reigns supreme."
Surah 2:190-
"Fighting is obligatory for you, much as you dislike it."
Surah 2:216
I am glad to see that the desire to become a "republic" in Australia is serious enough to have catapulted a referendum. An actor may become head of state but that's not necesarilly the end of the world, remember Ronald Reagan was first an actor for many years before entering politics. I hope one day Australians give themselves the benefit of the doubt and grab the bull by the horns.
Having different laws in different places, not necesarilly a problem. In the US all 50 states have different laws, different police, etc.., but there are also federal laws. Not having different laws, not necesarilly a bad thing either.
I understand "Change" is hard, but if it is to satisfy the desire of the vast majority of Australians, worth it.
On the other hand, when I mentioned the "banning of pork shops", it was just to denote how islamics would dramatically change Australia if rising to power, as that is just the tip of the iceberg.
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I almost forgot, "redundant public servants" getting as real job, Hey I'm all for that !
Again, the sooner Australians get rid of the Monarch the better. One day the monarch may have a change of mood and prevent such definite separation from happening, the brits are very particular when it comes to their territories, as you mentioned, the "Iron Maiden" Thatcher snatched "The Malvinas islands (Falkland) from Argentina while the US simply watched, so they're not going to interfere with one of its best allies.