Santo Domingo.- In the closest voting in a DT survey yet, the topic of joint tourism promotion with Dominican Republic’s Hispaniola neighbour spread nearly evenly among the four responses, when readers were asked “Should D.R., Haiti be a joint tourism destination?”
The response “Yes, both could benefit,” drew 6,190 votes, or 25.37%, followed closely by “Maybe, but with strong safeguards” with 6,081 votes, or 24.92%.
Again close behind in third was the option “No, it could harm DR's image” with 6,066 votes, or 24.86%, with “No, it's business, go it alone,” with 6,063, or 24.85% of the readers who took part in the weekly unscientific survey.
From: United States, FREEPORT, Long Island.... ((You're blind to the fact that you're blind))
Leo da Dream Weaver's pipe dream is a flop
From: United States, north hills ,NY
we better help haiti to starst growing, so they could hire more people.
From: United States, Vivir sin Patria, es lo mismo que vivir sin Honor.
Spinach,
Take it easy buddy... You should be thinking of how Haiti is to provide better conditions for its people and build a platform for economical development instead of taking it out on us Dominicans.
From: Iceland, Haitians out of DR.
How about haitians go help themselvs...
From: United States, Vivir sin Patria, es lo mismo que vivir sin Honor.
The last time i was in Haitian territory was almost 15 years ago. Haitians are not very welcoming when it comes to Dominicans and if you're Dominican and have crossed the border at some point then you know how it is.
From: United States, FREEPORT, Long Island.... ((You're blind to the fact that you're blind))
jajajajaja, all that rambling gibberish stuff for nothing....
The haitians are helping themselves, they are helping themselves to the dominican republic.
From: United States, FREEPORT, Long Island.... ((You're blind to the fact that you're blind))
C'mon vesino, you know it's true.
The dominican government makes it too easy to cross over and the haitian government could care less if its people leave.
Everyone is too busy pussyfooting around while relocating public monies into their own coffers.
From: Dominican Republic
Oh S&*t who left the psycho ward door open again???
I like the conversation going on between himself and ... himself.....
From: United States, FREEPORT, Long Island.... ((You're blind to the fact that you're blind))
Stillhere,
I thought I was going crazy at first, I kept looking for the poster he was arguing with.
Written by: Avaro, 17 Jul 2012 12:45 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Ensanche Ozama
it's a lousy idea, who the heck came up with it
From: United States, Bay Area, CA - (Dei sitio)
Spinach,
In my opinion, the reason why 74% (18,210) of the votes were in support of a conservative position ("maybe, but with strong safeguards", "it could harm DR's image", or “no, it's a business") was neither due to the number of drug addicts nor because Haiti racial make up, but Haiti's historical political instability. Tourism business is a very fragile one; it takes years to build a destination name and a day of political chaos to flush the whole industry down the pipes. Haiti needs to show the world that it has matured politically and economically before embarking in a joint venture project with any of its neighboring nations.
Written by: Adamo123, 17 Jul 2012 1:45 PM
From: United States
Guys ....both sides must be willing to make concessions if they want a good partnership in dealing with each other. It can't be a one way street. One side wants all the goodies for himself...great ! Maybe they are smarter than the other party. It is good to protect your interests but not at somebody else expenses. I can remember about 2 or 3 weeks ago that the Haitian prime minister suggested or wanted to close the international market along the borders between the two countries, guess what ,there were a lot of objections on the Dominican side this time and maybe that was the first time that they had an objection because there is a 2 billions dollars annual revenues at stake and who benefit most from that trade "The Dominicans".
Written by: Adamo123, 17 Jul 2012 1:54 PM
From: United States
Furthermore, the same group of people who want/ed the haitians ousted from DR were/ are the same one against the closing of the international market along the Haitiano-Dominicano borders. Trading has a give and take association. You don't want or can't adhere to that culture, you can't be trusted, else you can't be a trade partner either. Only thieves set out to only receive and never expected to give back while trading.
From: Dominican Republic, NEVER FORGOTTEN, NEVER FORSAKEN!
" One side wants all the goodies for himself...great "
This guy is making sound like we are taking away from Haiti; let me tell you something, it takes time and money to develop a turism market and WE ARE NOT THERE YET, we need more infrastructure, prepare the people working in the industry to offer a better service, ect, ect.
Haiti does not have 1/10 of the infrastructure we have, they're trying to tap into our market not the other way around, and about the market, it does not have such a big impact on regular Dominican, if they close the market the big exporters will be affected, I and don't really care about rich people in D.R.
From: United States
Would beg to differ from the majority in the survey and actually think it would be a good idea for a joint venture in tourism. Many people that travel would enjoy immersing themselves in the different culture, traditions and history of the two countries as well as the natural wonders of OUR ISLAND. For those interested in history what better destinations than the site of La Isabela, the first Euro settlement in the new world and its surroundining beaches, or the Alcazar de Colon in the capital, the first permanent and oldest city in the hemisphere, followed by a tour of the fortress of Sans Souci built by Henri Christophe? Or areas connected to Touissant L'Overture? Don't forget the different cuisines, and spectacles( like both countries' version of the Mardi Gras). It would appeal more I believe to Europeans and Asians as well as tourists from South America as they normally have longer vacations than North Americans( 2 weeks to 1 month) and thus would have the time to explore.
From: United States
Back in the late 80's I met a young tourist from Switzerland who spent a whole month exploring and backpacking thru both countries and found it fascinating. A smart marketing campaign could attract all those people (and families) that want more than just beaches and an island lay with our women. I am all for it, hell I'll be one of the first to go on such tour even being from the island and having traveled throughout the DR but only to the border of Haiti. This could provide many jobs for both sides of the island.
Written by: Pedrin, 18 Jul 2012 10:09 AM
From: United States
Spinach- Just the half Million Dominicans living in the US is good reason for Dominicans to learn English. Add to that, The Canadians and Brits that vacation in the DR, and there are plenty of valid reasons to learn English. Like it or not English is just about THE business language world wide.
From: United States, NYC
badbadbadbadbadbadbadbabad
From: United States, NYC
fu off haitians , all of them should go back we do not awe them anything . backbackbackback.
From: United States, NYC
go back to where they came from the other side of the river , you know where . @spinach . there no one that is a more moron then you . to your question about the us , yes they do becouse they are all over the island taken advantage of all the goodness that we have , but in haiti there is nothing to take ( it was already taken by their own people , haitians for the most part think that the island should not be divided . keep your side n we keep ours ,( we are not the same ). the only thing that comes out of haiti is ..................................................... thats all. and you knot that. haitians out of dr
From: United States, NYC
pillo ladron .
From: United States, NYC
back back back back back back , just to let you know i have haitian person working on my house in the dr and i am going to fire him when i get back . he just becouse the haitian that was working in my parents house is took money and things from them and he still on the run .
From: Dominican Republic
lmartinez,
Your against Haitians in the DR yet you hire one to work on your house???
Why? couldn't get a Dominican you do the job for the little money you offered??
From: Dominican Republic
Ha... I thought we asked them to keep the psycho ward door locked...
"M0f0
Out of the USA "
now that's funny coming from a Haitian in Canada.....
From: United States, NYC
are you finished ? cocolia . becouse i am with you . remember i am getting rid off the slave i have back home and is your fault hahahahahah . i think you should getoff this dominican website is not for haitians or slaves . adios cocolia please do not reply . ... since your not even dominican like me . i dont know if your notice but dominicans are very proud . you are not so please getoff our website is not for haitians after all what can a person like you say about us . you have that slave malace inside of you and it does not allow to think like humans do . adiooooooooossssssssss cucaracha negra .
From: Dominican Republic
"M0f0
Out of the USA "
"@Still here
Double funny
Coming from a Dominican in USA "
Strange, sad and laughable the Haitian in Canada telling a Dominican to leave the US on and Dominican website....
From: Dominican Republic
"People from all over the world will be there and the diaspora"
Oh you mean all those NGO's and aid workers from all over the world that are there fixing your country for you (for free) while you sit there in Canada doing nothing but spout bulls&*$t...
"In Haiti This weekend it will be in most news papers throughout the world"
at the back, less than one paragraph, with on pictures... if it does at all..... as you may not have heard there is a small sporting event starting in full tomorrow....
From: Dominican Republic
hahahahahhahahhaha
"that I am in Canada doing nothing "
hahahahhahahahhaha
hahahhahahahhaha
off you meds today?? hahahahahahhahaha
actually your no different from any other day... might be time to change the meds as the ones your on aren't working...
From: Dominican Republic
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From: United States, NYC
Spinach man. Do you have a life, a woman or perhaps a man that could entertain you. I don't think so. You spent to much time in the computer. Other than cleaning my white master lawn as your ignorant hatian self believes. I actually access and diagnose people's behavior for a living and my professional opinion is that you need mental health treatment. Get yourself check with a psychiatrist or again get a woman or a man or whatever you prefer. Anyone with a small grain of intelligence will notice that you are crazy. Actually stupid and crazy. Only a person with shit in his brains coul post all the stupidity you write on line. Here it goes for free. You are suffering from delusional adjustment disorder nos. that means your brain is all f up because your illusion is to be like us and is har for you to adjust being hatian. Sorry man. We just happen to be better at everything. Stop blaming Dominicans for your missfurtions your are going to have a heart attack.
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From: United States, NYC
Oh one question how the hell you are going to have a Carnaval des flours when you don't even have trees. Remember your people ate them all. You don't have any Flores left. Oh another is that no one is interesting in learning your creole language. What will be the benefit of that. Please explain, on the other hand you people need to learn Spanish. You well know like a dog or any animal
That you must learn the language of your master if you want to eat. I never seem a human barking or talking creole.
From: United States, NYC
I just do not like haitinoman , just the same way u do not like us Dominicans
Written by: eddie138, 28 Jul 2012 8:56 PM
From: Canada
nice :)
From: United States
lol..lol this guy SPINACH is an imbecile and a disgrace to haiti and haitians.
haiti has a puppet government headed by puppet ex crossdresser martelly.
Bill Clinton and the UN is actually in charge just to keep haiti afloat.
martelly is worthless and just shows up to take pictures at the little projects being done by the NGOs and the international community.
SPINACH is screaming about Carnaval des fleurs...which is an ugly parade with bad music thru the filthy dirty streets of Port-au-prince......and the moron thinks the world is watching and tourists are coming
From: United States
As you can see folks...I have made my point.....lol...lol
But I see you folks have learned to ignore him.
From: United States
Spinman, we have a saying in DR that no matter how white one is they always have a little black behind the ears. With 70% of the population being mulatos and 10% black (before the latest Haitian invasion), it would indeed be hypocritical of us to deny our African heritage. We never deny our African heritage, it is always you people saying we do. Likewise we do not deny our Taino or European ancestors nor do we let the racist detractors of the world deny us our heritage. We are very much aware of our roots and very proud of our variety. We will not suffer putdowns of our heritage from either ignorant whites or blacks who see the world just in black or white. We hold in very high esteem our own black and mulato heroes like founding father and Trinitarian Sanchez who fought against your racist ancestors as well as the nightmare of Haitian imperialism the mulato General Pedro Santana. Or the mulato and black scourges of the Spanish Generals Gregorio Luperon and
Ullysis Heureaux
From: United States
Spinach I just got in from work and must take a nap before I go back . I will answer your statements later. Know this however to me the most awesome and inspiring revolution in the history of mankind was the slave rebellion headed by the father of our island's emancipation from slavery ... Touissant L'Overture.
From: Haiti
we have carnival in ayiti?
i'm ayitian an' did not know we have carnival in ayiti.
From: Dominican Republic
"i'm ayitian an' did not know we have carnival in ayiti."
hahahahhahahahhaha
Ha Spin... who are you talking too????
And what news network are you quoting?????
From: United States
@ Kiskeyamama ou est mon cousine Kiskeyaman?
Spinach, in response to why some of my countrymen call Haitians Africans in a derogatory way is because you are mostly (70- 80%) pure blooded Africans as oppose to us who are 70- 75% a "band of mixed blood" as some Haitians have derogatorily called us. If you had been of the Caucasian persuasion of the frenchie variety, we would be calling you a bunch of "gringos frances afeminados". I would rather be called a maldito negro Africano than a marica gringo frances. You get my drift?
If you notice I have a bit of a problem with the frenchies (I don't even capitalize their name) due in particular to their treatment of our African ancestors. If they had not been so cruel in their treatment our ancestors might not have wiped them out during the fight for liberation. The attrocities committed by Dessalines against them and against innocent white Dominican families probably would not have occurred. I blame the frenchies for our confli
From: United States, NYC
donde esta spinach , are you scared . cocolia wake up .
From: United States
Cont:
For our conflict came about because Dessalines hated the french so much that he took it out on ALL white people, and thus the start of Dominican's attitude towards their brethren on the western part of the island. And yes I did say "our ancestors" and " our brothers and sisters on the western part of the island. For you see I am aware that when the ships (mostly English and Dutch) carrying our ancestors came to America they dropped and sold some of them in Haiti, some in DR, Cuba and other Caribean and mainland destinations, they didn't bother keeping families or tribesmen together. So the same African bloodlines were dispersed throughout the Americas. With no knowledge of our African past, Dominicans of mixed blood only had our European Spanish ancestry to bond us. When Touissant liberated the Spanish slaves we were cool with that but when Dessalines started murdering our white Spanish relatives (the Spaniards f*cked everything in sight) we were like "what the f*ck ?
From: United States
I have stated and will state again, we didn't invade your territories, you invaded ours years after the emancipation of the spanish slaves. The generations of mixed blood descendants afterward only saw the invasions of Boyer, Soulouque( excuse my spelling) and others. Haiti thought it was uniting our people. We of mixed blood only remembered Dessalines actions. And forget about the white Dominican families. To them the return of the Haitian army reminded them of the nightmares of a generation before. We were forced into a union at the point of a bayonet. And that my Haitian brothers is the root of our conflict, our hate, our fears of uniting with you. Of particular concern were the racist policy of the Haitian leaders of the time in trying to blacken or Africanize the population. We like our variety, it is the spice of life after all. If we allow your massive numbers to remain on our side the uniqueness of the Dominican people, our culture and varied complexion will be gone.
From: United States
That. Is why I believe that this joint tourism venture will heal the rift and misunderstanding between us. You say Martelly is trying to educate many Haitians who feel that something was taken from your people when we again gained our independence. This venture could help with the spread of knowledge and our mutual history. Queen Anacaona and the CaciqueCaonabo are also highly regarded by our people . The Cacicasco of Xaragua in Haitian territory would be a marvelous archeological and tourist attraction. I agree with you that Haiti probably has a treasure trove of Taino artifacts rich in Taino culture. Xaragua was the most advanced kingdom of the Tainos and was the center of an empire that extended west to Cuba, east to Boriken (Puerto Rico's Taino name) and south to Jamaica. I sometimes resent my Spanish blood for the destruction of such a beautiful culture.
From: United States
As far as the Amerindian pyramids I believe the pyramids of Teotihuacan was built sometime between 500-800 AD as well as the Mayan's. The Incan structures came a little later. The Tainos were not adept at construction or metalurgy, or astronomy for that matter. They did however have a very equitable society where women had more rights than their European counterparts. It was a more just society. A model both our peoples should emulate.
From: Dominican Republic
"I ve told you that it would be in many newspapers throughout the world"
Has "many" been redefined to be three now?? But not on DT as promised by some Haitian exclaiming it to be the biggest event outside the Olympics....
Can I ask .. why are you and why do you threaten people that have made on threat at you?? What is with the calling people
F.....
CVnt Pad
you sell out NIG,..... Scvm
etc. etc..
How old are you...? You seem unable to make your own comment (other than you copy/paste) without threats or small minded name calling.. just like an uneducated 13 year old...
Swearing is a small mind trying to express it's self strongly....
PS.. we read some of what you write because we like a good laugh and are fascinated while saddened by what idiotic grandiose remarks you may spout next...
And we reply because you far to easy to bait... like fishing with just a hook...
From: United States
Spinach I can understand your anger at what you perceive are decades of insults and disdain of Dominicans for Haitians and their descendants. I have tried to tell you that like everywhere else in this world you will find people with good and bad feelings. As such you cannot generalize and lump everyone together and pass judgement on all. I find that we Dominicans do that too often when it comes to your people. This is so because of the bad history we have had with your people .
In order for perceptions to be changed we must both try to put the past conflicts behind us and work toward better communication and understanding. The best of friends sometimes come out of bitter struggles. After your disastrous earthquake Dominicans opened their borders and their hearts for many of your people. Many of us now feel overwhelmed and taken advantage of with the constant flow of people moving to this side of the island. Hopefully things will improve and the OVERFLOW will be reversed.
From: United States
One last comment regarding archeological finds of advanced civilization in the Caribean area. Many explorers, archeologists and historian think that the ancient civilization of the lost continent of Atlantis may have been in this area. It is believed that this entire area was above sea level over 11,000 yrs ago. You may be right and only time and further exploration may tell.
Why don't we meet in other articles as it is taking 5 minutes to scroll down all the blogs on this sight. We may have set a record. And by the way Kiskeyamama was not trying to put you down regarding the Carnival. I believe she just wasn't aware, plus I think she is your compatriot. You may have lumped her in with the rest of us Dominicans.
From: United States
lol..lol..lol that idiot SPINACH is still at it...lol..lol poor fellow.
here is the deal folks. Every year haiti has one ugly carnival the three days before lent.
as with everything haitian, it reflects the ugliness, poverty and filth of haiti.
this year the ex crossdressing puppet president decided to bring back the so called carnival of flowers that haiti used to have in the summer under the duvaliers. In those days tourists use to come...including many gays...who got infected with AIDS...and the tourism trade died.
so this silly government think tourists will come back by simply having that second carnival.
the country is filthy, the people look hungry and filthy....and they think tourist will come to watch some ugly street party.
the people on the planes are just haitians who always come in the summer to visit family.
haiti is A FAILED state...and haitians know it.
From: Dominican Republic
This is why our world is such a soup sandwich. We would never do anything for our our neighbors without asking what we can get for ourselves. The irony of the matter is that this is simple economics and we actually have a country that went through something like this.
Look at Germany, what happened when the Berlin wall fell down and East and West were reunited?
Germany is not a world power by luck but because of the choice to help out it's neighbor. Till this day there is an ongoing campaign to bring the east side up to the western side standard, but in reality is no longer needed because the west has flourished and in many aspects has become greater than the east so what you have is two sides that greatly complement each other.
It would take 20 to 25 years if both countries united to bring Haiti up to the speed with DR, but it would be worth it. Both sides would benefit, make no mistake about it.
I am Dominican and I believe that I am a citizen of this world not of one natio
From: Dominican Republic
"Martelly could teach , you your uncle , father , grand father on how to deal with a woman"
What the hell is this that??? He's a wife beater?? yes a great example of a true modern day leader and great example to a country ...
Well you may say you love him... your both bigots...
From: Dominican Republic
So your defending it by not denying it...
"Just to remind you the amount of time that wi..febeater word appear on this Dominican website is countless . So don't even go there"
Yes there may just be some, but none has said it like you, openly a proud...
Every time you write you make yourself more the fool than the last... just stop while you only look stupid and before we know your clinically insane...
Again...... BIGOT....
Notice I have no need to resort to abbreviated fowl language...
From: United States, New York City
Messiah..when the Berlin Wall fell it wasnt just two neighbors that came together but a nation that had been divided as a result of war. The East Germans and the West Germans are exactly the same people..they're Germans period.Also West Germany might not have been a military superpower but it certainly was a powerhouse as far as economies go..a true first world nation. When you are comparing the situaton on Hispaniola to what occured in Germany you are comparing apples and oranges.
From: Dominican Republic
cibaeño, there are some differences, but the economic principles would be the same. West Germany has benefitted greatly from having their own low earning workforce right in their country. Till this day it the difference in salaries are very stark from east to west, this is one of the reasons that allows Germany to be on of the top 5 exporting nations while at the same time having a great standard of living for its citizens.
Also, helping your neighbors is a moral obligation not an economic or political one, whether you believe you might or might not benefit economically from doing so, this is what most of the arguments here are lacking, heart and moral sense. Dios Patria y Libertad, si? Do you notice that God is first? God did say treat thy neighbor as thyself.
From: Dominican Republic
cibaeño, there are some differences, but the economic principles would be the same. West Germany has benefitted greatly from having their own low earning workforce right in their country. Till this day it the difference in salaries are very stark from east to west, this is one of the reasons that allows Germany to be on of the top 5 exporting nations while at the same time having a great standard of living for its citizens.
Also, helping your neighbors is a moral obligation not an economic or political one, whether you believe you might or might not benefit economically from doing so, this is what most of the arguments here are lacking, heart and moral sense. Dios Patria y Libertad, si? Do you notice that God is first? God did say treat thy neighbor as thyself.
From: United States
Messiah, are you insane?!! Or perhaps you are one of those descendants of Haitian laborers who came over a couple of decades ago (and for whom I advocate full citizenship which I now must reevaluate my thinking) or the product of a Dominican-Haitian union. Stop his utopia crap. A union of Haiti and DR would just bring DR down to the level of Haiti's present situation, introduce or spread voodoo worship to our young people and exascerbate the present unbearable situation the country is now going thru. Not to mention the further and then LEGAL migration of another 5 million Haitians to the east.
If you are a true Dominican think man think! It would take another 2-300 yrs to erase the memories of Haitian actions in DR. Look what is happenning in Santiago where undocumented Haitians have started a crime wave in what once a clean minimal crime bastion of a model Dominican city.
Geez man you just ruined my day knowing a Dominican can utter such thoughts. I wanna go back to be
From: United States, New York City
Messia DR already has a low earning work force, the local poor. What your proposing would only hurt the Dominican poor by giving an advantage to foreigners whos labor will underbid them each and every single time. DR has terrible pockets of local poverty to concern itself with. When my house is in order only then am I in a position to help my neighbor.
From: Dominican Republic
venganzaderafael, it is sad you make me state my cultural background here. I belong to the Luna family, white of skin but purple of heart.
And I know that it might be hard for you to grasp, but there are steps for everything, it takes years to unite two nations or a divided one. Do you know that when the Americans discovered the Jewish concentration camps in Europe (yes there were some outside of Germany) they could not free them and fully feed them right away? Their body was not capable of handling such a thing, so they had to take babysteps.
You talk about the crime wave in Santiago, guess what? It will increase if we don't help the Haiti succeed. Also note that more dominican kills dominicans each day than any other nationality in the dominican republic, so in this respect your argument or point you were trying to make is sort of moot.
How many undocumented Dominican roam the streets of other nations? Do you feel the same about them? Should they be packed up and sent home?
From: United States, New York City
Venganzaderafael labeling anyone with a divergent view as "haitian" without knowing if they indeed are is abhorrent. I myself have been the victim of such attacks on here and I just think it's a very primitive way to counter anything.
From: United States
I want to go back to bed and see if I can start the day over again. Maybe this is all dream or rather a nightmare. Dios, Patria y Libertad is exactly that. Belief in one almighty being who gave his begotten son Jesus Christ as sacrifice so that whoever believes in him ( not loas or spirits ) would have etenal life. We don't practice spiritualism, banned by Jesus, unrestrained fornication is not godly ( God knows we Dominicans already have a problem with that) which Haitians have no problem with committing . Patria... Our own country, our values our peace of mind from robbery or assaults from foreigners(Santiago's present nightmare- read the posts and other articles in DT). Libertad... The Haitians already here do nothing but bring international organizations to dictate what our immigration policy should be and how to enforce our immigration laws. You sir are a citizen of the world yes but you are anathema to citizens of the DOMINICAN not haitian REPUBLIC. Estamos claro?
From: United States
Cibaeno, messiah,
I was not labeling anyone I was just saying that sort of thinking (political union with Haiti has only been heard from Haitians, never a Dominican). Do not misinterpret my statements of my beliefs. I myself had an adopted Haitian uncle who was killed during the revoulution of 1965 fighting alongside other family members against the gringo invaders.
I am all for helping our unfortunate neighbors, taking in 2.5 million of their citizen is help enough. We don't have to unite politically and have another 3-5 million come over. As cibaeno already pointed out we have enough poor people we don't need to open the flood gates.
Messiah ask the citizens protesting the crime wave in southern Santiago if my point is moot. As far as Dominican illegals in other countries 1. They are not roaming the streets. 2. They are not polluting rivers with their garbage and excrement and 3. They are not cutting forest to make charcoal. And if they are caught send them back. Rule of
From: United States
Cont.
Rule of Law should reign and be applied everywhere if not we can live like many Haitians( and some Dominicans). The whole crux of this article is to promote joint excursions to DR and Haiti. This will definitely help their economy. Dominican companies and investors should also be encouraged to invest in Haiti which would further develope their destroyed economic infrastructure. Do not confuse me with many racist Dominicans but mi patria y mis compatriotas primero. I am a fervant nationalist and union with Haiti which has opposite religious beliefs, strange language, completely different culture as well as a homogeneous racial and ethnic identity which would totally change our composition is out of the question and should not even be brought up in conversation .
From: United States, NYC
you really are nuts , get a life ,no one cares about that specially dominicans like me get a life again ,.
From: United States
ha ha ha...poor retarded SPINACH had to write 9 posts dedicated to ME...lol..lol
Folks, Haiti is a filthy, diseased place..with no infrastructure or health care..and a puppet worthless government.
When you hear talk of Haiti/DR joint destinations, Dominicans better run and run fast....if you don't want your country to turn into another haiti.
From: Dominican Republic
Yah "you da man" of saying a lot with nothing to add to the conversation....
200 comments, more than half are yours and have not said anything about "Readers unsure about Haiti-DR joint tourism destination"
Just copy/pastes of stuff no one cares about and childish insults at other contributors...
From: Dominican Republic
Written by: SPiNACH, 4 Aug 2012 2:22 AM
From: Canada
Woowie
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Jealous of that comment? wow your quit the oracle aren't you...
As I have said before your writing is both good for a laugh and sad at the same time. I need not explain why it's sad because you no understanding of humility or what it is to be an adult.
From: United States
Good to hear Spinach. How about putting a call out to all your people begging on corners in every Dominican town, harrassing our touristl to come home and learn a trade or just to come home and beg from your own tourist.
Bwa Hahahaha
From: Dominican Republic
"funded to the tune of one million Euros by the European Union"
Your so proud of all this free money, funding and assistants from foreign nations. When will your government start funding anything, or implementing programs not designed and payed for by outside sources?
Haiti... the country bank rolled by the rest of the world and proud of it by the sounds....
Anyone what to guess how many insult and copy/paste replies that will get?? hahahhahaha
I put just a little bait on the hook this time... hahahha
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Take it easy buddy... You should be thinking of how Haiti is to provide better conditions for its people and build a platform for economical development instead of taking it out on us Dominicans.
The haitians are helping themselves, they are helping themselves to the dominican republic.
The dominican government makes it too easy to cross over and the haitian government could care less if its people leave.
Everyone is too busy pussyfooting around while relocating public monies into their own coffers.
I like the conversation going on between himself and ... himself.....
I thought I was going crazy at first, I kept looking for the poster he was arguing with.
In my opinion, the reason why 74% (18,210) of the votes were in support of a conservative position ("maybe, but with strong safeguards", "it could harm DR's image", or “no, it's a business") was neither due to the number of drug addicts nor because Haiti racial make up, but Haiti's historical political instability. Tourism business is a very fragile one; it takes years to build a destination name and a day of political chaos to flush the whole industry down the pipes. Haiti needs to show the world that it has matured politically and economically before embarking in a joint venture project with any of its neighboring nations.
This guy is making sound like we are taking away from Haiti; let me tell you something, it takes time and money to develop a turism market and WE ARE NOT THERE YET, we need more infrastructure, prepare the people working in the industry to offer a better service, ect, ect.
Haiti does not have 1/10 of the infrastructure we have, they're trying to tap into our market not the other way around, and about the market, it does not have such a big impact on regular Dominican, if they close the market the big exporters will be affected, I and don't really care about rich people in D.R.
Your against Haitians in the DR yet you hire one to work on your house???
Why? couldn't get a Dominican you do the job for the little money you offered??
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Out of the USA "
now that's funny coming from a Haitian in Canada.....
Out of the USA "
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Double funny
Coming from a Dominican in USA "
Strange, sad and laughable the Haitian in Canada telling a Dominican to leave the US on and Dominican website....
Oh you mean all those NGO's and aid workers from all over the world that are there fixing your country for you (for free) while you sit there in Canada doing nothing but spout bulls&*$t...
"In Haiti This weekend it will be in most news papers throughout the world"
at the back, less than one paragraph, with on pictures... if it does at all..... as you may not have heard there is a small sporting event starting in full tomorrow....
"that I am in Canada doing nothing "
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off you meds today?? hahahahahahhahaha
actually your no different from any other day... might be time to change the meds as the ones your on aren't working...
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That you must learn the language of your master if you want to eat. I never seem a human barking or talking creole.
haiti has a puppet government headed by puppet ex crossdresser martelly.
Bill Clinton and the UN is actually in charge just to keep haiti afloat.
martelly is worthless and just shows up to take pictures at the little projects being done by the NGOs and the international community.
SPINACH is screaming about Carnaval des fleurs...which is an ugly parade with bad music thru the filthy dirty streets of Port-au-prince......and the moron thinks the world is watching and tourists are coming
But I see you folks have learned to ignore him.
Ullysis Heureaux
i'm ayitian an' did not know we have carnival in ayiti.
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Ha Spin... who are you talking too????
And what news network are you quoting?????
Spinach, in response to why some of my countrymen call Haitians Africans in a derogatory way is because you are mostly (70- 80%) pure blooded Africans as oppose to us who are 70- 75% a "band of mixed blood" as some Haitians have derogatorily called us. If you had been of the Caucasian persuasion of the frenchie variety, we would be calling you a bunch of "gringos frances afeminados". I would rather be called a maldito negro Africano than a marica gringo frances. You get my drift?
If you notice I have a bit of a problem with the frenchies (I don't even capitalize their name) due in particular to their treatment of our African ancestors. If they had not been so cruel in their treatment our ancestors might not have wiped them out during the fight for liberation. The attrocities committed by Dessalines against them and against innocent white Dominican families probably would not have occurred. I blame the frenchies for our confli
For our conflict came about because Dessalines hated the french so much that he took it out on ALL white people, and thus the start of Dominican's attitude towards their brethren on the western part of the island. And yes I did say "our ancestors" and " our brothers and sisters on the western part of the island. For you see I am aware that when the ships (mostly English and Dutch) carrying our ancestors came to America they dropped and sold some of them in Haiti, some in DR, Cuba and other Caribean and mainland destinations, they didn't bother keeping families or tribesmen together. So the same African bloodlines were dispersed throughout the Americas. With no knowledge of our African past, Dominicans of mixed blood only had our European Spanish ancestry to bond us. When Touissant liberated the Spanish slaves we were cool with that but when Dessalines started murdering our white Spanish relatives (the Spaniards f*cked everything in sight) we were like "what the f*ck ?
Has "many" been redefined to be three now?? But not on DT as promised by some Haitian exclaiming it to be the biggest event outside the Olympics....
Can I ask .. why are you and why do you threaten people that have made on threat at you?? What is with the calling people
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How old are you...? You seem unable to make your own comment (other than you copy/paste) without threats or small minded name calling.. just like an uneducated 13 year old...
Swearing is a small mind trying to express it's self strongly....
PS.. we read some of what you write because we like a good laugh and are fascinated while saddened by what idiotic grandiose remarks you may spout next...
And we reply because you far to easy to bait... like fishing with just a hook...
In order for perceptions to be changed we must both try to put the past conflicts behind us and work toward better communication and understanding. The best of friends sometimes come out of bitter struggles. After your disastrous earthquake Dominicans opened their borders and their hearts for many of your people. Many of us now feel overwhelmed and taken advantage of with the constant flow of people moving to this side of the island. Hopefully things will improve and the OVERFLOW will be reversed.
Why don't we meet in other articles as it is taking 5 minutes to scroll down all the blogs on this sight. We may have set a record. And by the way Kiskeyamama was not trying to put you down regarding the Carnival. I believe she just wasn't aware, plus I think she is your compatriot. You may have lumped her in with the rest of us Dominicans.
here is the deal folks. Every year haiti has one ugly carnival the three days before lent.
as with everything haitian, it reflects the ugliness, poverty and filth of haiti.
this year the ex crossdressing puppet president decided to bring back the so called carnival of flowers that haiti used to have in the summer under the duvaliers. In those days tourists use to come...including many gays...who got infected with AIDS...and the tourism trade died.
so this silly government think tourists will come back by simply having that second carnival.
the country is filthy, the people look hungry and filthy....and they think tourist will come to watch some ugly street party.
the people on the planes are just haitians who always come in the summer to visit family.
haiti is A FAILED state...and haitians know it.
Look at Germany, what happened when the Berlin wall fell down and East and West were reunited?
Germany is not a world power by luck but because of the choice to help out it's neighbor. Till this day there is an ongoing campaign to bring the east side up to the western side standard, but in reality is no longer needed because the west has flourished and in many aspects has become greater than the east so what you have is two sides that greatly complement each other.
It would take 20 to 25 years if both countries united to bring Haiti up to the speed with DR, but it would be worth it. Both sides would benefit, make no mistake about it.
I am Dominican and I believe that I am a citizen of this world not of one natio
"Martelly could teach , you your uncle , father , grand father on how to deal with a woman"
What the hell is this that??? He's a wife beater?? yes a great example of a true modern day leader and great example to a country ...
Well you may say you love him... your both bigots...
"Just to remind you the amount of time that wi..febeater word appear on this Dominican website is countless . So don't even go there"
Yes there may just be some, but none has said it like you, openly a proud...
Every time you write you make yourself more the fool than the last... just stop while you only look stupid and before we know your clinically insane...
Again...... BIGOT....
Notice I have no need to resort to abbreviated fowl language...
Also, helping your neighbors is a moral obligation not an economic or political one, whether you believe you might or might not benefit economically from doing so, this is what most of the arguments here are lacking, heart and moral sense. Dios Patria y Libertad, si? Do you notice that God is first? God did say treat thy neighbor as thyself.
Also, helping your neighbors is a moral obligation not an economic or political one, whether you believe you might or might not benefit economically from doing so, this is what most of the arguments here are lacking, heart and moral sense. Dios Patria y Libertad, si? Do you notice that God is first? God did say treat thy neighbor as thyself.
If you are a true Dominican think man think! It would take another 2-300 yrs to erase the memories of Haitian actions in DR. Look what is happenning in Santiago where undocumented Haitians have started a crime wave in what once a clean minimal crime bastion of a model Dominican city.
Geez man you just ruined my day knowing a Dominican can utter such thoughts. I wanna go back to be
And I know that it might be hard for you to grasp, but there are steps for everything, it takes years to unite two nations or a divided one. Do you know that when the Americans discovered the Jewish concentration camps in Europe (yes there were some outside of Germany) they could not free them and fully feed them right away? Their body was not capable of handling such a thing, so they had to take babysteps.
You talk about the crime wave in Santiago, guess what? It will increase if we don't help the Haiti succeed. Also note that more dominican kills dominicans each day than any other nationality in the dominican republic, so in this respect your argument or point you were trying to make is sort of moot.
How many undocumented Dominican roam the streets of other nations? Do you feel the same about them? Should they be packed up and sent home?
I was not labeling anyone I was just saying that sort of thinking (political union with Haiti has only been heard from Haitians, never a Dominican). Do not misinterpret my statements of my beliefs. I myself had an adopted Haitian uncle who was killed during the revoulution of 1965 fighting alongside other family members against the gringo invaders.
I am all for helping our unfortunate neighbors, taking in 2.5 million of their citizen is help enough. We don't have to unite politically and have another 3-5 million come over. As cibaeno already pointed out we have enough poor people we don't need to open the flood gates.
Messiah ask the citizens protesting the crime wave in southern Santiago if my point is moot. As far as Dominican illegals in other countries 1. They are not roaming the streets. 2. They are not polluting rivers with their garbage and excrement and 3. They are not cutting forest to make charcoal. And if they are caught send them back. Rule of
Rule of Law should reign and be applied everywhere if not we can live like many Haitians( and some Dominicans). The whole crux of this article is to promote joint excursions to DR and Haiti. This will definitely help their economy. Dominican companies and investors should also be encouraged to invest in Haiti which would further develope their destroyed economic infrastructure. Do not confuse me with many racist Dominicans but mi patria y mis compatriotas primero. I am a fervant nationalist and union with Haiti which has opposite religious beliefs, strange language, completely different culture as well as a homogeneous racial and ethnic identity which would totally change our composition is out of the question and should not even be brought up in conversation .
Folks, Haiti is a filthy, diseased place..with no infrastructure or health care..and a puppet worthless government.
When you hear talk of Haiti/DR joint destinations, Dominicans better run and run fast....if you don't want your country to turn into another haiti.
Yah "you da man" of saying a lot with nothing to add to the conversation....
200 comments, more than half are yours and have not said anything about "Readers unsure about Haiti-DR joint tourism destination"
Just copy/pastes of stuff no one cares about and childish insults at other contributors...
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Jealous of that comment? wow your quit the oracle aren't you...
As I have said before your writing is both good for a laugh and sad at the same time. I need not explain why it's sad because you no understanding of humility or what it is to be an adult.
Bwa Hahahaha
Your so proud of all this free money, funding and assistants from foreign nations. When will your government start funding anything, or implementing programs not designed and payed for by outside sources?
Haiti... the country bank rolled by the rest of the world and proud of it by the sounds....
Anyone what to guess how many insult and copy/paste replies that will get?? hahahhahaha
I put just a little bait on the hook this time... hahahha