Santo Domingo.- The Environment Ministry removed around 500,000 pounds of solid waste polluting the country’s important natural resources and strategic areas during 2012, in coordination with municipalities, social organizations, business and educational groups.
Environment minister Bautista Rojas made the announcement Tuesday, and said the trash was removed from 77 beaches and 25 river banks, and delicate environmental and public spaces, in an area of 184 linear kilometers.
He said the classification showed that most of the garbage is plastic bottles and caps, plates, cutlery, cups and bags, of which were collected 27,396 bags and disposed by the towns in coastal provinces.
The official said the program to clean and maintain beaches, rivers and environmental areas will continue into 2013, to secure the landscape and prevent pollution in bodies of water.
The trash was picked up during 27 cleanups in San Cristóbal, Samaná, Peravia, Barahona, La Altagracia and Azua provinces and the National District, among other coastal areas.
Rojas said areas more than 20,000 volunteers took part in the environmental protection effort to clean up countryside and coastal areas.
Written by: Atabey, 15 Jan 2013 5:19 PM
From: United States, NYC
Something Roy will enjoy.
Excellent news.
From: United States, FREEPORT, Long Island.... ((You're blind to the fact that you're blind))
Great, now we can recycle the plastic bottles and build those indestructible desk the government were looking for.
Written by: BASTA, 15 Jan 2013 5:58 PM
From: Dominican Republic, =Ghetto/Legalize Drugs/Free abortions for all
Wow; so now dump it on the PLD head quarters where most of our countries garbage meets.
From: Dominican Republic
Better yet...lets tax the hell out of Styrofoam food containers, plastic utensils and cups...all the items that makes up 90% of the shit that floats downstream.
From: Dominican Republic, calle A.Portes
Firstly I agree totally with Mike ,,I now take a shopping bag with me made from jute ..sometimes two and put everything in together .
Secondly , in regard to Aussie Roy ,if my memory is correct , the annual clean up campaign was started in Sydney and then spread quickly nationwide so he would be an ideal leader.
Written by: Atabey, 15 Jan 2013 6:21 PM
From: United States, NYC
BASTA,
The PRD Circus can use it as confetti.
:)
Written by: RoyStone, 15 Jan 2013 8:13 PM
From: Australia
Correct, Ricky
The "Clean Up World" campaign was started in Sydney by Australian yachtsman Ian Kiernan, originally to clean up Sydney harbor. It soon became "Clean Up Australia" and has hundreds of thousands of participants every year.
The Dominican Republic has Vida Azul, under the American Ocean Conservancy, which requires every piece of rubbish collected to be identified, categorized, recorded and collated, hence the efficiency of each collector is reduced to less than 3% (I did trials).
After clean-up, the beaches return to their normal littered state within a week from more rubbish washing up from the sea, constantly being replenished by Dominican glaciers of styrofoam and PET.
Written by: RoyStone, 15 Jan 2013 8:19 PM
From: Australia
PuntaCanaMike,
suggests
"Better yet...lets tax the hell out of Styrofoam food containers, plastic utensils and cups...all the items that makes up 90% of the shit that floats downstream."
Some places around the world put a substantial bounty on bottles and cans, etc, which forces consumers and distributors to recycle or return them. At a meeting with your environment vice-minister I presented a detailed report, with that included in the recommendations. She was very receptive but did nothing.
From: Dominican Republic
Yes this good but the only problem is by the next month the same amount is back..
Mike has the right idea and Roy, some education and enforcing no littering laws will help too???
Written by: anthonyC, 16 Jan 2013 12:24 AM
From: United States
Written by: PuntaCanaMike,
"Better yet...lets tax the hell out of Styrofoam food containers, plastic utensils and cups...all the items that makes up 90% of the shit that floats downstream."
And aside from punishing the poor what would that accomplish?
Written by: RoyStone, 16 Jan 2013 12:42 AM
From: Australia
anthonyC,
Can't be very poor if they can afford to live on take-away food.
I agree with PuntaCanaMike,
If disposable packaging becomes more expensive than re-usable containers, then so be it. Coca Cola still made huge profits even before the introduction of PET bottles. Put a bounty on both, plus a penalty on PET, of better yet, ban it altogether as some environmentally-responsible governments have done.
From: United States
says Atabey
Written by: Atabey, 15 Jan 2013 5:19 PM
From: United States, NYC
Something Roy will enjoy.
Excellent news.
no, Atabey. excellent news would be if they did not need to do it again next month. . excellent news will be when the people who make the mess stop doing it. garbage everywhere is a serious turnoff to tourists, and, sadly, places with aspirations to being tourist destinations are ruined by garbage, everywhere, in a place like POP, the entire malecon beachfront is a pigsty.
From: Dominican Republic
Beat me to it Dread..
Careful Roy with words like "environmentally-responsible governments" you may get labeled a hippy fascist...
But Roy "The only things they understand are on-the-spot fines or jail terms." as we read the other day less than 3% of traffic fines are paid.. you really think people would pay a fine for littering?? The justice system need to change, ban poly containers and a bounty on PET, ally cans and glass bottles would be the first step..
From: United States
the Haitian government has banned the importation of anything styrofoam. now there is a good start.
From: United States
the sad part about this garbage situation is that everyone is guilty. people would reflexively believe that the lower classes of the citizenry would be the main culprits for throwing garbage everywhere. wrong! the so called upper class types are just as guilty. the hijos de mami y papi are just as uncaring as the barrio people, and throw bottles and styrofoam containers out their jeepeta windows just like everybody else. ergo, there is no available good example. there needs to be a computerized system, so that if a guy gets a fine for littering, and does not pay, it doubles every month. 500 pesos becomes 1000, becomes 2000, and so on. when it is time to renew his car registration, he cannot, until he pays the fine.
From: Dominican Republic
Next thing they may recycle plastic and glass bottles and put a fee on plastic shopping bags....??
As the rest of the world has learned, there is money in trash and no benefit in poly containers.
Written by: Atabey, 16 Jan 2013 10:25 PM
From: United States, NYC
Written by: dreadlocks,
From: United States
says Atabey
Written by: Atabey, 15 Jan 2013 5:19 PM
From: United States, NYC
Something Roy will enjoy.
Excellent news.
no, Atabey. excellent news would be if they did not need to do it again next month. . excellent news will be when the people who make the mess stop doing it. garbage everywhere is a serious turnoff to tourists, and, sadly, places with aspirations to being tourist destinations are ruined by garbage, everywhere, in a place like POP, the entire malecon beachfront is a pigsty."
Dready,
As always looking at things soooo positively.
"Dr Kevin Harvey, director of the Health Promotion and Protection Unit in the Ministry of Health, listed leptospirosis, dengue and cholera as the likely diseases that could occur if the garbage is not contained.
"We are at risk if the garbage is not cleaned up. The garbage will increase the number of rats, and rats carry leptospirosis. Not only that, the plastic piec
Written by: Atabey, 16 Jan 2013 10:26 PM
From: United States, NYC
"We are at risk if the garbage is not cleaned up. The garbage will increase the number of rats, and rats carry leptospirosis. Not only that, the plastic pieces in the garbage cause water to settle and so dengue is another thing that can happen," he cautioned.
"We are concerned about the pile-up. Even if we are not seeing the outbreaks yet, it is a huge threat and they need to do something about it," he stressed."
Guess where Dr Harvey was speaking from: Why Jamaica!
THE MINISTRY of Health is indicating that the pile-up of garbage in sections of the island poses significant threat to health as it could lead to an outbreak of various illnesses.
Garbage Pile-Up Across Island Causing Concern
Published: Saturday | January 12, 2013
You were saying Dready?
Written by: RoyStone, 16 Jan 2013 10:29 PM
From: Australia
You are right Atabey,
There is a positive side -
the leptospirosis, dengue and cholera may help solve the feral peasant problem.
Written by: Atabey, 16 Jan 2013 10:46 PM
From: United States, NYC
Roy,
Until the State becomes dominant and enforces the rules of decent society across the breath of the country, we will continue with these problems. Yes, better education will help, but enforcement of rules is paramount. Having hundreds of thousands of people roaming about illegally doesn't help either. So stricter measures enforced throughout the country is urgently needed. More awareness of the degradation and disease caused by illegal dumping and throwing trash about is needed.
I don't have stats on whether or not the beaches are cleaner than say 10 years ago. It would be interesting to have these stats, IF THEY EXIT. For that last point is a very salient one: largely speaking DR is a State in creation in the modern sense. That's one reason why many people coming from the first world and even those from regionally more advance societies are perplexed at the level of misrule and over all poorly managed conditions about the land.
Some positive progress
Written by: Atabey, 16 Jan 2013 10:48 PM
From: United States, NYC
has happened; much more needs to be done.
But as I've stated many times, it took the DR many decades to fall into this mess, and it will take more decades to get out of the hole.
Getting Rules and organization functioning decently will make all these problems far less challenging in future.
Even in English controlled areas, those rules well functioning organizational skills have been difficult to maintain after all, no?
From: United States
the idiot Atabey, in his tried and tested old strategy of making everything a comparative issue, goes to google, and uses 'garbage in Jamaica as his keywords, and posting an article. he is so moronic, that he fails to see the difference. what this gentleman is talking about is garbage dumps, which have not been incinerated.. the garbage situation in Jamaica stems from the facts that the collection trucks carry garbage to designated locations, and accumulates the refuse in certain locations, where it sits and festers. that is not an ideal situation, and the government has to incinerate the dumps. there is, however, no parallel situation wherein there is garbage EVERYWHERE. i live in an upper class neighborhood, in an upscale apartment complex. the parking lot looks like a sanitation dump. people throw all their garbage out their cars, and wherever, right there where they live. that is not what the gentleman who wrote the article on Jamaica is talking about.
From: United States
yes, the garbage dump situation is a serious problem, but people who live in upscale surroundings do not have to wade through styrofoam cups and beer bottles to make it to their front door.
From: United States
says Atabey
Until the State becomes dominant and enforces the rules of decent society across the breath of the country, we will continue with these problems.
you think that it is government enforcement that makes a place like Canada so clean? really? wrong. it is the PEOPLE who enforce the rules of society. ever been to Canada, Atabey? next time you go there, try walking down the streets of place like Ottawa, and throwing a styrofoam cup in the street. you will quickly see who enforces the law. i had an old lady poke me in the back with an umbrella for dropping a cigarette butt on the street. yes, not a cop. the people do not want garbage around them. they do not need cops to stop them making a mess of their own neighborhood.
Written by: Atabey, 17 Jan 2013 12:33 AM
From: United States, NYC
Dready stated:
"you think that it is government enforcement that makes a place like Canada so clean?"
Dready, years ago, say about twenty or so, I was visiting Canada, driving across Portland Maine to get there. One interesting note to that particular trip was an early morning conversation I had with an elderly gentleman I found sweeping the streets along side the hotel I was staying at. I mentioned to my female companion how much cleaner Canada was to southern NYC, and pointed to the man sweeping the streets that early morning. Apparently the man was overhearing me and he stopped: "young man," said he," you think I'm doing this at this time of the morning because I want to? I have to do it because my retirement is partly conditioned on doing so! I hate doing it, waking up early to sweep the streets."
I'll never forget his words. Taken somewhat aback, I said "I'm sorry, didn't know that you had to do these chores in order to collect your full retirement benefits."
Written by: Atabey, 17 Jan 2013 12:45 AM
From: United States, NYC
jamaica-gleaner.com/gleaner/20130112/lead/lead3.html
Dready, that picture on the web page sure doesn't look like garbage waiting to be incinerated. It looks like garbage deposited by people and left to the side of the road in front of buildings. Why don't you have a look.
Generoso says that people who live in glass houses should not be throwing stones. You were saying?
From: United States
there are no buildings on that side of the street. if you look at the photo, you can see that there is one pile of garbage, and the rest of the area is clean. the pile remeins there because of a collection backlog. that is a designated collection point, and the sanitation department apparently is short of assets to pick up in a timely fashion. nice try, but if you look elsewhere is the picture, there are no piles everywhere.
by the way, assh*le, i would really appreciate it if you would refrain from spamming my inbox. DO NOT pm me again!
Written by: Atabey, 17 Jan 2013 8:17 AM
From: United States, NYC
Dready,
I sent you just one article on education yesterday. That was it.
As for the garbage, if you look at the photo, there appear to be buildings on the opposite side of the road; that's what I meant. The place where the garbage is deposited does not appear like any well managed closed lid garbage collection site.
Please elaborate.
Where are the missing garbage bins?
Written by: Atabey, 17 Jan 2013 8:24 AM
From: United States, NYC
Perhaps these posters have a better grasp of things in Ol' Jamaica.
cha24389 • 5 days ago -
Crime is out of hand.
Schools are under-funded and failing the kids
Roads are disgusting.
Health Care is sickening. (pun intended)
Water is unreliable.
Power is getting out of reach for most Jamaicans
Adequate housing is scare.
Economy on the brink of failure.
Forget about Jamaica becoming like Greece, we are closer to being another Haiti!
erh cha24389 • 5 days ago -
You left out the Scrap-Jamaica-Trade and deforestation due to the export coal trade.
Comrade Peter David Phillips did say we were on the way to become the English Speaking Haiti.
Written by: Atabey, 17 Jan 2013 9:08 AM
From: United States, NYC
Roy,
The pensioner HAD to do so in order to get his retirement package. The STATE was dominant. In the DR the STATE is still being institutionalized. That's difficult for many outsiders to understand given that their own experiences back home does not allow for that sense of weak institutionalized operations. again for those coming from first world nations; there are of course others that understand this dynamic, especially those coming from neighboring Haiti where the issues are even worse than our own.
I'll give you another example from a neighboring island. Back in the early modernization drive called " Operation Boot-Strap" in Puerto Rico, one of the measures taken was to enlist a group of paid personnel to go into the farming communities & make sure that little Johnny & Maria were attending school. If parents or guardians were found to have kept their charges out of school, THE STATE fined these individuals for their transgressions against the law of the land.
Written by: Atabey, 17 Jan 2013 9:11 AM
From: United States, NYC
Ever since the death of Trujillo, the State in DR has had to regain its powers, as its doing now. a VERY LARGE TAX CUT did the upper classes give themselves after the death of Trujillo. And now the State is beginning to take back its sovereignty. Of course, there is and will be fight-back over this, as no group wants to be taxed. But if modernity and development are to gain an upper hand in DR, this must and will come to pass in DR.
The pace of reform and institutionalization of the State as sovereign over and above the rest is progressing; but we're not there yet. Witness the transgressions against this development recently with the political machinations surrounding the disturbances at the university. The political class is still not mature, but slowly we're making some progress.
Once this first cohort of better educated Dominicans steps forward, and the rest that follow, better practices will be visible and more importantly sustainable. Getting to Denmark takes time
From: United States, NYC
thanks danilo for that very important
From: United States, New York City
Roystone waxes on and on about "Dumb-minicans" to describe the Dominican people enmasse without a whimper from any of the posters that are Dominican or of Dominican origin. As a matter of fact it's rather pathetic how some of you engage this clown. Seriously.
From: United States, NYC
Danilo is the best thing tyhat happened in dr since JUAN BOSH . AND YOU KNOW THAT . FEEL SORRY FOR THOSE THAT ARE VERY BLIND TO SEE IT , WHAT S THE ALTERNATIVE ( NONE )
From: United States
the cretin Atabey seems to believe that Canada is clean because they have people who sweep the streets before dawn.. that just shows how little you know. the cleanliness is cultural, in case you do not know. how many times have you been to Canada?
Written by: Atabey, 17 Jan 2013 10:43 PM
From: United States, NYC
Dready,
I NEVER said that culture does not play a role; I've stated that having a strong STATE is essential, especially in the context of the Dominican Republic to achieve better outcomes in this area.
From: Dominican Republic
I wonder if part of the problem can be mitigated by switching to Biodegradable Food Packaging. In addition to better enforcement and higher penalties.
Written by: RoyStone, 24 Jan 2013 4:28 PM
From: Australia
Arcangel96,
The Duminican Republic is a democracy. When the majority of people couldn't give a f^ck about the environment, why would the government?
From: Dominican Republic
RoyStone,
Why do you insist in using this "Duminican" term when referring to us?
Written by: RoyStone, 24 Jan 2013 10:37 PM
From: Australia
"Dumb" as in stupid, Arcangel96, not as in mute.
There are exceptions of course - I am only referring to the majority. I am giving them the benefit of the doubt, in accordance with Hanlon's Razor:
"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."
From: Dominican Republic
RoyStone,
I got to tell you, these generalizations are very disrespectful, condescending and insulting, even when done on jest. So, if that is the case, I advised you to reconsider its further use.
Written by: RoyStone, 25 Jan 2013 3:49 AM
From: Australia
Respect is not a birthright, Arcangel96 - it must be earned.
On almost every scale of human endeavor, this failed state is close to or at the bottom. Do I need to quote them again? If the hat fits, then sorry, you've got to wear it.
From: Dominican Republic
On the contrary, you should give everyone respect until they loose it by their own words or deeds. If anything, this arrogance denotes a lack of common sense and good manners. I mean, if you think so poorly of us, Dominicans, you are more than welcome to go back to Australia or any other "superior" country in the world. Trust me, you will not be miss.
Written by: RoyStone, 26 Jan 2013 1:56 AM
From: Australia
Perhaps you are forgetting, Arcangel96, that the Duminican Repubic's greatest source of income comes from tourists from "superior" countries. The second biggest source is Duminicans living is other "superior" countries, mainly the USA. The third is from mining companies from other "superior" countries, and I note many Duminican "bite their hands" too!
From: Dominican Republic
Nevertheless, this does not give you the right to insult us. If you feel like commenting about our ways...fine. But insults like "Duminican" are uncalled for. Again, I will extend an olive branch to you and ask you to reconsider.
From: United States, New York City
"Perhaps you are forgetting, Arcangel96, that the Duminican Repubic's greatest source of income comes from tourists from "superior" countries. The second biggest source is Duminicans living is other "superior" countries, mainly the USA. The third is from mining companies from other "superior" countries, and I note many Duminican "bite their hands" too! "
Sooo..you seem to feel that you are the embodiment of all that is "superior" from the world outside the Dominican Republic and as such you are in a position to belittle a people enmasse and as a corollary you also feel yourself to be in a position where the entire Dominican people must earn your respect. LOLOL That's rich. Please Mr. Stone, continue ranting on here. I'd hate for you to tell actual breathing people how you really feel.
Written by: RoyStone, 1 Feb 2013 8:38 PM
From: Australia
No, cibaeño75, I am not the embodiment of anything.
I am only making the point that many Dominican posters here seem to suffer from xenophobia, and I am saying it is not in the country's interests, since it is very dependent on foreigners.
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Something Roy will enjoy.
Excellent news.
Secondly , in regard to Aussie Roy ,if my memory is correct , the annual clean up campaign was started in Sydney and then spread quickly nationwide so he would be an ideal leader.
BASTA,
The PRD Circus can use it as confetti.
:)
The "Clean Up World" campaign was started in Sydney by Australian yachtsman Ian Kiernan, originally to clean up Sydney harbor. It soon became "Clean Up Australia" and has hundreds of thousands of participants every year.
The Dominican Republic has Vida Azul, under the American Ocean Conservancy, which requires every piece of rubbish collected to be identified, categorized, recorded and collated, hence the efficiency of each collector is reduced to less than 3% (I did trials).
After clean-up, the beaches return to their normal littered state within a week from more rubbish washing up from the sea, constantly being replenished by Dominican glaciers of styrofoam and PET.
suggests
"Better yet...lets tax the hell out of Styrofoam food containers, plastic utensils and cups...all the items that makes up 90% of the shit that floats downstream."
Some places around the world put a substantial bounty on bottles and cans, etc, which forces consumers and distributors to recycle or return them. At a meeting with your environment vice-minister I presented a detailed report, with that included in the recommendations. She was very receptive but did nothing.
Mike has the right idea and Roy, some education and enforcing no littering laws will help too???
"Better yet...lets tax the hell out of Styrofoam food containers, plastic utensils and cups...all the items that makes up 90% of the shit that floats downstream."
And aside from punishing the poor what would that accomplish?
Can't be very poor if they can afford to live on take-away food.
I agree with PuntaCanaMike,
If disposable packaging becomes more expensive than re-usable containers, then so be it. Coca Cola still made huge profits even before the introduction of PET bottles. Put a bounty on both, plus a penalty on PET, of better yet, ban it altogether as some environmentally-responsible governments have done.
Written by: Atabey, 15 Jan 2013 5:19 PM
From: United States, NYC
Something Roy will enjoy.
Excellent news.
no, Atabey. excellent news would be if they did not need to do it again next month. . excellent news will be when the people who make the mess stop doing it. garbage everywhere is a serious turnoff to tourists, and, sadly, places with aspirations to being tourist destinations are ruined by garbage, everywhere, in a place like POP, the entire malecon beachfront is a pigsty.
Careful Roy with words like "environmentally-responsible governments" you may get labeled a hippy fascist...
But Roy "The only things they understand are on-the-spot fines or jail terms." as we read the other day less than 3% of traffic fines are paid.. you really think people would pay a fine for littering?? The justice system need to change, ban poly containers and a bounty on PET, ally cans and glass bottles would be the first step..
Next thing they may recycle plastic and glass bottles and put a fee on plastic shopping bags....??
As the rest of the world has learned, there is money in trash and no benefit in poly containers.
From: United States
says Atabey
Written by: Atabey, 15 Jan 2013 5:19 PM
From: United States, NYC
Something Roy will enjoy.
Excellent news.
no, Atabey. excellent news would be if they did not need to do it again next month. . excellent news will be when the people who make the mess stop doing it. garbage everywhere is a serious turnoff to tourists, and, sadly, places with aspirations to being tourist destinations are ruined by garbage, everywhere, in a place like POP, the entire malecon beachfront is a pigsty."
Dready,
As always looking at things soooo positively.
"Dr Kevin Harvey, director of the Health Promotion and Protection Unit in the Ministry of Health, listed leptospirosis, dengue and cholera as the likely diseases that could occur if the garbage is not contained.
"We are at risk if the garbage is not cleaned up. The garbage will increase the number of rats, and rats carry leptospirosis. Not only that, the plastic piec
"We are concerned about the pile-up. Even if we are not seeing the outbreaks yet, it is a huge threat and they need to do something about it," he stressed."
Guess where Dr Harvey was speaking from: Why Jamaica!
THE MINISTRY of Health is indicating that the pile-up of garbage in sections of the island poses significant threat to health as it could lead to an outbreak of various illnesses.
Garbage Pile-Up Across Island Causing Concern
Published: Saturday | January 12, 2013
You were saying Dready?
There is a positive side -
the leptospirosis, dengue and cholera may help solve the feral peasant problem.
Roy,
Until the State becomes dominant and enforces the rules of decent society across the breath of the country, we will continue with these problems. Yes, better education will help, but enforcement of rules is paramount. Having hundreds of thousands of people roaming about illegally doesn't help either. So stricter measures enforced throughout the country is urgently needed. More awareness of the degradation and disease caused by illegal dumping and throwing trash about is needed.
I don't have stats on whether or not the beaches are cleaner than say 10 years ago. It would be interesting to have these stats, IF THEY EXIT. For that last point is a very salient one: largely speaking DR is a State in creation in the modern sense. That's one reason why many people coming from the first world and even those from regionally more advance societies are perplexed at the level of misrule and over all poorly managed conditions about the land.
Some positive progress
has happened; much more needs to be done.
But as I've stated many times, it took the DR many decades to fall into this mess, and it will take more decades to get out of the hole.
Getting Rules and organization functioning decently will make all these problems far less challenging in future.
Even in English controlled areas, those rules well functioning organizational skills have been difficult to maintain after all, no?
Until the State becomes dominant and enforces the rules of decent society across the breath of the country, we will continue with these problems.
you think that it is government enforcement that makes a place like Canada so clean? really? wrong. it is the PEOPLE who enforce the rules of society. ever been to Canada, Atabey? next time you go there, try walking down the streets of place like Ottawa, and throwing a styrofoam cup in the street. you will quickly see who enforces the law. i had an old lady poke me in the back with an umbrella for dropping a cigarette butt on the street. yes, not a cop. the people do not want garbage around them. they do not need cops to stop them making a mess of their own neighborhood.
Dready stated:
"you think that it is government enforcement that makes a place like Canada so clean?"
Dready, years ago, say about twenty or so, I was visiting Canada, driving across Portland Maine to get there. One interesting note to that particular trip was an early morning conversation I had with an elderly gentleman I found sweeping the streets along side the hotel I was staying at. I mentioned to my female companion how much cleaner Canada was to southern NYC, and pointed to the man sweeping the streets that early morning. Apparently the man was overhearing me and he stopped: "young man," said he," you think I'm doing this at this time of the morning because I want to? I have to do it because my retirement is partly conditioned on doing so! I hate doing it, waking up early to sweep the streets."
I'll never forget his words. Taken somewhat aback, I said "I'm sorry, didn't know that you had to do these chores in order to collect your full retirement benefits."
Dready, that picture on the web page sure doesn't look like garbage waiting to be incinerated. It looks like garbage deposited by people and left to the side of the road in front of buildings. Why don't you have a look.
Generoso says that people who live in glass houses should not be throwing stones. You were saying?
by the way, assh*le, i would really appreciate it if you would refrain from spamming my inbox. DO NOT pm me again!
I sent you just one article on education yesterday. That was it.
As for the garbage, if you look at the photo, there appear to be buildings on the opposite side of the road; that's what I meant. The place where the garbage is deposited does not appear like any well managed closed lid garbage collection site.
Please elaborate.
Where are the missing garbage bins?
Perhaps these posters have a better grasp of things in Ol' Jamaica.
cha24389 • 5 days ago -
Crime is out of hand.
Schools are under-funded and failing the kids
Roads are disgusting.
Health Care is sickening. (pun intended)
Water is unreliable.
Power is getting out of reach for most Jamaicans
Adequate housing is scare.
Economy on the brink of failure.
Forget about Jamaica becoming like Greece, we are closer to being another Haiti!
erh cha24389 • 5 days ago -
You left out the Scrap-Jamaica-Trade and deforestation due to the export coal trade.
Comrade Peter David Phillips did say we were on the way to become the English Speaking Haiti.
The pensioner HAD to do so in order to get his retirement package. The STATE was dominant. In the DR the STATE is still being institutionalized. That's difficult for many outsiders to understand given that their own experiences back home does not allow for that sense of weak institutionalized operations. again for those coming from first world nations; there are of course others that understand this dynamic, especially those coming from neighboring Haiti where the issues are even worse than our own.
I'll give you another example from a neighboring island. Back in the early modernization drive called " Operation Boot-Strap" in Puerto Rico, one of the measures taken was to enlist a group of paid personnel to go into the farming communities & make sure that little Johnny & Maria were attending school. If parents or guardians were found to have kept their charges out of school, THE STATE fined these individuals for their transgressions against the law of the land.
The pace of reform and institutionalization of the State as sovereign over and above the rest is progressing; but we're not there yet. Witness the transgressions against this development recently with the political machinations surrounding the disturbances at the university. The political class is still not mature, but slowly we're making some progress.
Once this first cohort of better educated Dominicans steps forward, and the rest that follow, better practices will be visible and more importantly sustainable. Getting to Denmark takes time
I NEVER said that culture does not play a role; I've stated that having a strong STATE is essential, especially in the context of the Dominican Republic to achieve better outcomes in this area.
I wonder if part of the problem can be mitigated by switching to Biodegradable Food Packaging. In addition to better enforcement and higher penalties.
The Duminican Republic is a democracy. When the majority of people couldn't give a f^ck about the environment, why would the government?
Why do you insist in using this "Duminican" term when referring to us?
There are exceptions of course - I am only referring to the majority. I am giving them the benefit of the doubt, in accordance with Hanlon's Razor:
"Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."
I got to tell you, these generalizations are very disrespectful, condescending and insulting, even when done on jest. So, if that is the case, I advised you to reconsider its further use.
On almost every scale of human endeavor, this failed state is close to or at the bottom. Do I need to quote them again? If the hat fits, then sorry, you've got to wear it.
Sooo..you seem to feel that you are the embodiment of all that is "superior" from the world outside the Dominican Republic and as such you are in a position to belittle a people enmasse and as a corollary you also feel yourself to be in a position where the entire Dominican people must earn your respect. LOLOL That's rich. Please Mr. Stone, continue ranting on here. I'd hate for you to tell actual breathing people how you really feel.
I am only making the point that many Dominican posters here seem to suffer from xenophobia, and I am saying it is not in the country's interests, since it is very dependent on foreigners.