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Port-au-Prince.– Voodoo priests say foreign aid and the presence of 9,000 U.N. peacekeepers in Haiti are holding back the chronically impoverished country.

Voodoo supreme chief Max Beauvoir says Haitians cannot live comfortably among heavily armed U.N. troops and that aid groups accomplish little while preventing locals from helping themselves.

About 300 adherents wearing patron spirits' colors marched Friday near the presidential palace. They poured alcohol before a statue honoring Haiti's rebel slave founders.

Marchers also denounced the Dec. 5 anniversary of Christopher Columbus's 1492 arrival in what is now northern Haiti. Voodoo is an official religion in Haiti

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Written by: haitian1804, 6 Dec 2008 11:57 AM
From: Haiti
I m not practicing voodoo, but we all Haitian know it's with the Voodoo ceremony at Bois Caiman that the revolution to free the slave and give us independance start, so maybe it s with another voodoo ceremony Haiti will start rising...Beware fake friends.
Written by: gouletcolonial This user is banned, 6 Dec 2008 12:20 PM
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
we also have genoroso who practices an even more powerful Voodoo so there and that is without Rubi and Archie in reserve
Written by: etiennc, 6 Dec 2008 12:47 PM
From: United States
But The first act that Dessalines did as the new head of state was to terrorize and slaughter voodoo pratictionners.What voodoo have been doing in is turning one Haitian against another and making Haitians fearful of each other.
The voooo priest ( Hougan male, Mambo female) places within each community a spy know as Housi Kanzo to monitor all the community activities and events then report them to him.
And you are faced with a problem even if you have a strange dream the Housi Kanzo will suggest to you that you see her voodoo priest who will quickly alert you that your neighbour, your best friend ,a coworker has put a hex on you.
Voodoo has taught you is to be fatalist to accept the status quo, to accept your fate
Most Haitians including you Haitian1804 carry in their wallet ,purse or their person some kind of MAKAKRI( amulet) to protectthem against jealous eyes of their friends and family members.
How can a Haiti progress when one Haitian is scared of the other?
Baka
Written by: Dominicanation This user is banned, 6 Dec 2008 1:17 PM
From: Dominican Republic
We're backkkk
Written by: etiennc, 6 Dec 2008 1:27 PM
From: United States
Generoso ,we need your help HOUNGAN 1804- oops ! I mean Haitian1804 is back
Absurd1804 is back !
Written by: Quisqueyanosoy, 6 Dec 2008 1:29 PM
From: United States
Yea man,
the haitian people are getting screwed with all this 'foreign' aid, when in reality its just a bunch of massive loans that are being used to enslave the haitian people with debt.
It makes me sick that the united states will travel thousands of miles to the middle east and spend 40 billion dollars a month fighting a war to dismantle then re-create a country when they can travel a few hundred miles and spend 1/10 of that helping the poorest nation in our hemisphere.

its not that hard really. instead of buying troops and tanks, use the money to build up haitian infrastructure (roads, schools, hospitals). this will create jobs within the haitian community.
Then invest money in their agriculture that is suffering heavily. Maybe you'll be able to cut back on that hunger.
Written by: haitian1804, 6 Dec 2008 1:37 PM
From: Haiti
greeting to dominicannation, you r so wrong etiennc i m a pure catholic i ve never been involved in any voodoo ceremony, but i m not going to deny the truth. It s true that the god of the slave was the loas bring from africa with them. The christian religion was bring with the european, the oppresors. And Dessaline was a voodoo priest himself,as the most of the former slaves at this time. Dessalines kick out the last french and other white people out of the country because he feared of them plotting with france.the mullattoes and him who fighted side by side betray him and asassinated him because of the "agro reform" (separate the land to the people),because most of them land belonged to rich mulattos. his house and his perystile( voodoo temple)still exist at "Marchand Dessaline" his capital.
Written by: gouletcolonial This user is banned, 6 Dec 2008 2:17 PM
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
Genoroso is conjuring up some heavy stuff as we speak.....there is chicken blood all over the place ...you Haitians will be sorry ! "Double, double toil and trouble;Fire burn, and cauldron bubble.
Fire burn, and cauldron bubble.".....hehehehe
Written by: etiennc, 6 Dec 2008 2:35 PM
From: United States
Haitian1804
There you go again hiding behind the Catholics icones to practice voodoo
Mary is Erzulie
Jesus is Legba
St Anthony is Guede
and so on
i know you Haitian1804
You can not bull shit a bulshitter.
Isn't what we call hypocrisy.
You can not free yourself from this syncretism.
Wait for generoso he is going to chew you because of your blattant hypocrisy
Written by: Euromax This user is banned, 6 Dec 2008 2:46 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Bonao, provincia M.N
wth!!!? this people are weird, with there voodoo that i respect, but is wrong, and stupid, we need to stop the voodoo people

very ironic
Written by: , 6 Dec 2008 2:50 PM
From:
Like the Dominicans don't practice Vodou. Ah!
Written by: OndeVert This user is banned, 6 Dec 2008 3:07 PM
From: United States
If it wasn't for MINUSTAH, there will be no Haitian Government nor a Preval. Haiti would be gangland rule by former militaries commandos (sort of Somalia) and that will bring chaos, human rights violation, rape, kidnapping, more children slavery, contraband, drugs, etc. (like it is not happening now). And foreign aid has been the only resource that has kept the 9 million Haitians from eating each other and given the international relief from the two hurricanes, this idiot thinks that foreign aid is bad! Why don't they impose mandatory birth control? Why the high fertility rate? Why so much demand (lots of people)? Why the illegal emigration and internal migration? Haiti should just keep quite and do their best to cut down demand!
Written by: Dominicanation This user is banned, 6 Dec 2008 3:27 PM
From: Dominican Republic
How about you Dominicans start showing some respect for the Voodoo religion because if it were not for Voodoo The Dominican Republic wouldn't exist today. By saying that I mean there wouldn't be a Haitian Revolution because the revolution started in Bois Cayman during a Voodoo Ceremony so how about you people show some god damn respect.

Having said that even if the revolution did happen without Voodoo. The Dominican Rep. Still wouldn't exist because if Voodoo didn't exist on the island of Haiti the Vatican AKA Holy See would have never sponsored the Dominican revolution in 1844. So yeah start showing some respect because without Voodoo there wouldn't be a Dominican Rep. Think about it.
Written by: etiennc, 6 Dec 2008 4:14 PM
From: United States
We will start respecting the importance of Voodoo when the voodoo priest sutilize voodoo for useful purposes such as healing and keeping a community together ( LA KOU)
But as long that priests mix voodoo with wichcraft to poison ,rape young boys and young girls to instigate conflicts,misunderstandings, discord,fear.among Haitians, as long that the priests teach fatalism ,resignanion JTT ( Jan' tombel tombe -let the chips fall where the may)Voodoo will never be respected and will contunue to be a taboo subject.
Look at Haitian1804 and the cowards they ( she) are scared that a neighbour or a friend may do them harm they are carrying an amulet (GAD) aroud their neck.
They usually bath in a concoction of leaves for luck.
Written by: etiennc, 6 Dec 2008 4:26 PM
From: United States
Dominicanation What Revoltution ?
A revolution is a systematic social change where as the leades propose and carry out a program to better the lives of the citizen.
What has happened in Haiti was a lucky rebellion.
No wonder that the Haitians have decided to burn down all plantations and began killing each other.
A revolution suggests community building attitudes which should not be confused with collective instint,
When a group of peole get toghether to fight an common oppressor and if succesful in their fight they begin to oppress and terrorize each other , this is not a revolution.
remenber what Dessalines soon after he became emperor: The negroes should be killed or scared to death to get him to do what you ant him to do" while carrying a cocomac (baton) and a lianne(whip)
Written by: JRRubirosa, 6 Dec 2008 4:46 PM
From: United States, Port Washington, LI (New York)
Vodoo keep the haitian people in the ignorance level that they are right now...........ignorant people
Written by: Username, 6 Dec 2008 7:27 PM
From: Dominican Republic
It is hard to believe that any educated person can believe in any of that BS, be it Voodoo, or Christianity or Islam or... Every religion it designed to keep the poor and uneducated masses under control, by keeping them in fear while they are alive, and if they obey, the religion is promising them heaven when they die, if they don't obey, THEY WILL GO TO HELL! BOO-WHOO.

Written by: etiennc, 6 Dec 2008 8:32 PM
From: United States
Username . you are so right !
Look at Haitian1804 AKA Baka 1804 with a voodoo doll in his hand with a bunch of pins thinking that he ( she) can harm me or Generoso
Written by: etiennc, 7 Dec 2008 7:18 AM
From: United States
Voodoo is what causes the rift and the deep mistrust among Haitians.
Most Haitians carry with them some stupid amulet,some articraft ,some kind powder or leaves as a mean of protection against any harm that a neighbour,a friend or a member of their own family may cause them.
Most Haitians do some kind of rituals before stepping out from their houses to avoid some WANGA (voodoo hex) that some enemy or a jealous person may place at their door to harm them.
Most Haitians are paranoid that the next one is going to EAT THEM( cause their death) sell them to some violent and evil spirits (loas) or destroy their good luck.
Most Haitians who fail in business,in school,or become sick beleive that someone had put a hex on them.
A Haitian man leaves a woman,his mother or another woman is always blamed for having sucessfully used voodoo to destroy the relationship and vice versa.
In the Haitian world nothing happens by accident but by design: an"expedition" (hex)
Voodoo=Mistrust
Written by: generoso, 7 Dec 2008 1:02 PM
From: United States, Santo Domingo
Don't worry I am back from the mountain where I met the biggest baca and priest on the island....
And he sent his love with a powerful curse to all the evil doers mainly Dominicanation and haitian1804...
Agla agla agla agla agla agla,
Aleph, Nun, Vau, Resh, Cheth,Qoph, Daleth,Shin
Recabustira, Cabustira, Bustira, Tira, Ra, A.
I conjure you evil spirits to go back and possess the bodies of those that sent you..NOW!!!!
Written by: generoso, 7 Dec 2008 1:31 PM
From: United States, Santo Domingo
I know Max Beauvoir and he is a respectful person and good man.
Balaguer sent him a bible as a present once with a personal message...remember Monsiuer Max?
Written by: yumnuk3, 7 Dec 2008 2:42 PM
From: United States
Voodoo works so fluid with Catholicism because of the saints. Patron Saints of Catholicism get associated with Patron Deities of Voodoo. Not to mention Catholicism has a lot of folk magick in it's tradition.
Written by: etiennc01, 7 Dec 2008 3:06 PM
From: United States
Max Beauvoir is another charlatan.
He could have have used his trainin g from Canadian Universitues and work in a research lab. Instead he chose to pray on the ignorant people with his leaves,his powders,and stupid voodoo articraft.
And most voodoo priests are sexual perverts and open homosexuals who rape young women and young men They pretend that they are possessed by a loa and their treatment include sleeping with the ill person
Written by: etiennc01, 7 Dec 2008 3:18 PM
From: United States
read :and WORKED in a research ... TO PREY
Written by: gouletcolonial This user is banned, 7 Dec 2008 3:23 PM
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
Does this mean arsenio is a Voodoo priest?
Written by: gouletcolonial This user is banned, 7 Dec 2008 3:24 PM
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
or just a nutty cultist ?
Written by: WE_D_R_HAITIANS, 8 Dec 2008 2:18 AM
From: Haiti
I am sick and tired of you people not knowing anything about the history of HAITI, and spending your times talking about what happened or what did not happen in Haiti. For those of you who suggested that 1804 was a lucky rebellion, why weren't you so lucky when Haitians taught you how to eat, sleep, walk, and evolve without a chain in your feet for 21 years?
Remember, the Dominican Republic was built on the model traced BY HAITIAN LEADERS such as "Jean Pierre Boyer". And if it wasn't for our lack of unity afterwards, there would not be A DOMINICAN REPUBLIC TODAY. Remember, until recently, (i.e., US Occupation), you people were a bunch of push overs that the Haitian leadership had complete control over. Remember, you are the remnants of indians, spanish-indians, spanish-haitians, etc. We are the proud negroes who prospered the land. We did not need "Lascasas", we rescued ourselves when it was time to do so...maybe that's why you people are so afraid of the HAITIANS. We don't bow.
Written by: WE_D_R_HAITIANS, 8 Dec 2008 2:38 AM
From: Haiti
If you'd known the Haitian history well enough, you'd know that Voodoo is the same as Catholic, except that there is a dark side of it that many people use in order to justify the killing of another human being.
But let's not forget that this is a common trait in every society.
Dominicans may not have Voodoo, but they do have their knives and machetes to slaughter other Dominicans and any group of Haitians they can stampede in the process.
So, what's the point of bashing the Haitians. You Dominicans have no pity when it comes to killing other human beings.
Can somebody say: TRUJILLO, BATEY, HAITIAN-DOMINICAN BORDER!
IF THERE WAS JUSTICE, YOU PEOPLE SHOULD BE TRIED FOR YOUR ATROCITIES AGAINST THE HAITIANS.
Nevertheless, in general, we Haitians, we believe in GOD. In many instances, Voodoo is like a tradition. Some choose to follow it, some don't. Haiti is not synonymous of VOODOO.
Like the jewish people, we are not going to give up the fight. One day, God will answer our pra
Written by: kmnupe, 8 Dec 2008 4:58 AM
From: United States, NYC
For the life of me, I don't know why DT keeps running these kind of articles. Utterly stupid in my book.
Written by: etiennc, 8 Dec 2008 10:51 AM
From: United States
We-D-R-Haitians, we welcome you in this debate.
What we are trying to do here is present ideas that will ultimately be conducive to a better understanding of the Haitians Dominicans dilemma.
Both Haitians and Dominicans politicians understand how to manupilate emotions, stir them up so they can continue to keep these two people in a permanent state of conflicts and tensions.
So the do not have to deal with the pressing problems facing the two countries.
The regular Dominican and the regular Haitian live side by side in harmony until a politician decides to instigate some problems.
Before you present your history you need to acknowledge that this story has been very bloody.
And this story must be throughly investigated as it may be the cause of the Haitians problems
You must be an historian first and Haitian second. History is the search for the truth.
Let's start by asking whether Dessalines was a terrorist ? I am waiting for an educated and objective response.
Written by: generoso, 8 Dec 2008 11:57 AM
From: United States, Santo Domingo
Agla agla agla agla agla agla,
Aleph, Nun, Vau, Resh, Cheth,Qoph, Daleth,Shin
Recabustira, Cabustira, Bustira, Tira, Ra, A.
I conjure you evil spirits to go back and possess the bodies of those that sent you..NOW!!!!
Written by: WE_D_R_HAITIANS, 8 Dec 2008 12:02 PM
From: Haiti
Look Etiennc
I understand where you are coming from, and I share you views on this one. But let's not forget that the balance has been tipped over onto the wrong side for so many years. Haitians have been unfairly treated in every aspects. Nevertheless, we are first and foremost "people", and people don't usually get along without misunderstanding. I don't believe that there could be a utopian society in which Dominicans and Haitians would live with no troubles. I am not that gullible. However, you have to acknowledge that the more progress you make, the more resentful you act toward the Haitian people. Because, you can never erase the fact that you were one occupied by us. But let's be realistic for a while, the founding fathers of the US were also regarded as villains in the beginning. So you see, if you think that slavery was good for humanity, there is no doubt about it, Dessalines was indeed a villain. On the other hand, if you believe in freedom, this is another story
Written by: JRRubirosa, 8 Dec 2008 12:09 PM
From: United States, Port Washington, LI (New York)
WEDRHaitians:

Dominicans never force haitians to live in our country, you guys like to be victims of your own bad decisions.
Written by: gouletcolonial This user is banned, 8 Dec 2008 12:13 PM
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
the big guns are moving in prepare to go nuclear.....welcome aboard Rubi
Written by: etiennc01, 8 Dec 2008 1:04 PM
From: United States
We-D-R-Dominicans
I hate to see you stop posting.
I hate to tell you your decision confirms what has been said about Haitians
This forum offers you the opportunity to stand by your convictions argue your convictions until can convert a few people.
When you run away from a debate (marronnage) it just proves that your facts are weak and your convictions are erroneous based simply on memory and emotions.
You may choose to block certains events that will prove that Haitians only are to blame for their predicaments and any other nations have the right to tell Haitians to return home and put their house in order.

Voodoo is a an exercise on ignorance,simply put Voodoo is GROSS SUPERSTITION.

When a group of people are superstitious,the are unable to investigate causes and effects
They are unable to be rational,Descartes said "I think therefore I am"meaning that only a primitive mind will think that a god(loa) can really provide for him.

Written by: etiennc01, 8 Dec 2008 1:37 PM
From: United States

Haitians need to revisit their history and understand that the same situations and the same actors produce de the same effects.
"DEPI NAN GUiNEN NEG RAYI NEG" "The Haitian negro hates his brother since they left Guinea"
This proverb has been true in 1806 when we assassinated Dessalines and it is true now.
The problem with Haitians is that they they mistrust each other and voodoo nurtures that mistrust
Where theer is mistrust there is no teamwork , no progress
When was the last time a voodoo priest explains to one seeking advice that he or she should seek treatment for an illness from a professional and qualified medical doctor.
Their usual lines are"some enemy puts an hex on u"
These charlatans go as far as suggesting :one can also contract AID via "AN EXPEDITION"
Suggesting that an enemy of a jealous person has sent the illness to u from a distance via an
evil spirit, therefore your illness unatural
Via their net of spies they will find u the name of perpetrator
Written by: Dominicanation This user is banned, 8 Dec 2008 2:59 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Etienne Si sé pat pou voudou ou pataka ap palé kaka sa wap di'a. Alo man'm merde ipokrit.
Written by: haitian1804, 8 Dec 2008 3:54 PM
From: Haiti
I told yuou already Dessalines was killed by the mullattoes. and the things" Depi nan guinen neg rayi neg" it s not true as Steeve Brunache say and his song " se pawol yo di pou nou ka toujou divize" it s a goes just to keep us divide . the history of this goes come from the fact it was African who captured their African brother to sell them to the white slave merchants.money always divide peopleno matter race,color,origin...It has nothing to do with Haitian,and with just a look in the past you ll see all the worst criminal and traitor wasn t black, from Hitler toTrujillo From Sadam to Ben Laden. we can just count a few war lord in Africa but we all know it s the white and whealthy country that is behind all these massacres as always...agree?
Written by: JRRubirosa, 8 Dec 2008 3:56 PM
From: United States, Port Washington, LI (New York)
Vodoo is created for inferior, uncivilized and people without education and culture like Haitians, reason why their country is so messed up and laggard.
Written by: etiennc, 8 Dec 2008 4:54 PM
From: United States
Haitian1804
We are here in this forum slinging insults at each other because some Dominicans had made crystal clear that THEY DO NOT WANT HAITIANS IN THEIR COUNTRY,
Now,If Haitians were to pack up and leave,we will not have this tit for tat..Someone asks you to leave his town,his city,his village,his country and u respond with insults
Please curb thisTURNING SHAME INTO ANGER attutude.
Not only they have asked u to leave but they have explained the reasons to u in no masked and coded words,They have stressed it many times with deeds and actions (Perejil).They have said it in clear and humiliating languages WHY THEY DO NOT WANT U THERE
The mechanical translation of this hate and fear that transpire through these posts will help u decide .Some people can not TAKE NO FOR AN ANSWER
You were told to go back to Haiti What part of Go back to TO HAITI THAT U DO NOT UNDERSTAND ?
DOMINICANATION,only the ignorant superstitious thinks he can stop the rain Ah Ah Ah !






Written by: etiennc, 8 Dec 2008 5:10 PM
From: United States
For those of you who could not understand the post that Dominicanation was directed at me here is a clean equivalent :
Etienne, if it was not for Voodoo, you will not be talking like that ,Get lost !
Use your imagination for the real dirty equivalent.

Dominicanation , I do think you should attend my class in ANGER MANAGEMENT.
That would have helped you to diredt your attacks to the ones who has put your country in this humiliating predicament.
Anger is a spent energy ,I want to help you to utilize this energy for useful works.like going and feed the numerous hungry street children sleeping on the side walks in Port-au-prince
Go to gonaives and help distribute the food that my organization has sent to Haiti.
Go the Hatian Dominican frontier and try to stop those who are stealing bags of corn ,gift from Venezuela to Haitian people and then sell them back to the hungry people they were destined to
Typing insults here is just an exercise in futility, Grow up!

Written by: Dominicanation This user is banned, 8 Dec 2008 5:12 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Epi last time I checked 90% of Dominicans have Haitian blood flowing through their veins. I can almost guarantee you that after 22 years of officially colonizing the eastern side 90%+ Dominicans do have Haitian blood in them.
It's okay my seeds, it won't be long until we invade you again...Wait a minute the invasion has already begun I mean i won't be long until it's OFFICIAL.
Written by: etiennc, 8 Dec 2008 5:33 PM
From: United States
Last time I checked my informations there are foreign troups in Haiti to make sure that Haitians do not exterminate each other.
Voodoo galvanized Haitians energies to help them get rid of the French, but their political immaturity,their mistrust toward each other,their susperstitious tendencies,their selfisness,and what have you have created a mess in Haiti that has required the supervision of adult countries(the national community) Listen to the songs of the younger generations ,listen to their plight.
Keep instigating troubles you will see how fast you will have to pick your maimed and dead bodies by the river Massacre .
Keep talking crap and soon you will be forced to say the word PEREJL
Written by: Dominicanation This user is banned, 8 Dec 2008 5:51 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Cretin I mean Etien don't talk to me about massacres boy. We all know that most Dominicans couldn't bust a grape in a fruit fight.If it were not for the Yankees giving poor to Trujillo he would still be shinning shoes at that bus station of which the Yankees found him. 26,000 thousand Haitians killed AND!

Cretin what you don't understand is you are messing with the children of real warriors that little spectacle Trukillo pulled in 1937 is nothing to what's coming to you soon.

REMEMBER THIS: That same political immaturity,mistrust toward each other,superstitious tendencies, selfish nation so called Haiti RULED Your people for 22 years unofficially and 22 years officially. How about them apples?
Written by: etiennc, 8 Dec 2008 7:42 PM
From: United States
Dominicanation, JRRubirosa says "We do not like Haitians at all" What part don't you understand?
And we still feeding his hate toward Haitians with your stupids comments,
You are biting the hands that are feeding you.If I were you I would pack up and leave the country.
Why can't you guys stay home instead of enduring this kind of humiliation in deeds and in words.
And your shame for a being a failed nation clouds your good judgement, makes you irrational,delusionnal and stubborn.
If I can not get you to shut up noone will
When JRRbirosa gets you to say Prerejil then you will realize that his hate for you was not a figment of your imagination'
Rubbirosa is not joking, you'd better take heed.
Written by: kmnupe, 8 Dec 2008 9:38 PM
From: United States, NYC
ETIENNE, interesting exchange. I don't agree with everything tha you said, but, your words are felt.

I don't get caught-up on religion enough to discuss voudu, but, I will say that part of the mistrust in Haiti stems from systematic abuse of the populace for generations.

Also, Rubirosa And Dominicanation are set in their ways and would most likely watch events from their televisions.
Written by: etiennc, 8 Dec 2008 10:29 PM
From: United States
Kmnupe, That is what I am afraid of.
I am trying to tell Dominicanation who actually lives in the Dominican Republic to shut up and keep a low profile.When a Dominican gets up in the morning and reads the news on Haiti and realizes the damages that Haitians have caused to thir own country,he has every reason to beleive that if Haitians are allowed to migrate to the Dominican Republic they are going to distroy the country. If you damage your own house,make unlivable.I will allow you to move in to live with me.
I travel a lot to the Dominican Republic and I hope that when JRRubirosa decides to get crazy and go on a rampage with a stock of parsil (perejil) in his hands, I'lll have time to get out of the country.
I trust that Dominicanation's brain is not totally destroyed by whatever he smokes and he will have enough common sense to stop posting stupid and childish remarks that will only bring JRRubirosa to the edge,
The smallest must the the slickest, JRRubirosa is not joking
Written by: JRRubirosa, 8 Dec 2008 11:12 PM
From: United States, Port Washington, LI (New York)
Haitians must respect Dominicans will and space, They don't belong there and keep going into
our country to create their soap operas dramas, once again I don't like haitians and want them out from my country, I guaranteed you that majority in the country dislike and feel repulsive about haitians.
Written by: generoso, 8 Dec 2008 11:48 PM
From: United States, Santo Domingo
OK By request of the great majority of good standing Dominican republic citizens the hereby decree is issued to take effect immediately:

!. All illegal Haitians must leave the territory of Dominican Republic ASAP.
2. Any Haitians legal or not that is caught begging in the streets would be arrested.
3. After December 31 ST, 2008 any Haitians that do not have their legal residency papers in order
would be taken to a temporary internment camp until deportation can be arranged.
4. After January 31 ST, 2009 any Haitian caught without proper legal residency status will be detained and deported at their own costs.
5. There is a reward on the heads of haitian1804 and Dominicanation of US$500 dollars to be
paid for their capture either dead or alive, but preferably without a head.
6. If the Haitians in wait of deportation do not have the funds to pay for their trip then they should
be recruited into force labor until the fine is paid.
Signed,
Secretary of Interior and Police

Written by: etiennc, 9 Dec 2008 12:28 AM
From: United States
Generoso, will the Haitians working for the Brugal and Presidente Companies get to stay to complete the orders for this year and they will leave on January the 2nd 2009 ??
Written by: generoso, 9 Dec 2008 12:40 AM
From: United States, Santo Domingo
etiennc
No exceptions to the rule of the law. Although........let me see.......
Ok Brugal and Presidente workers are hereby exempted from this decree.
(For the good and security of the nation)
Written by: gouletcolonial This user is banned, 9 Dec 2008 7:24 AM
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
What a guy !
Written by: abc200, 10 Dec 2008 8:08 AM
From: United Kingdom
If the rest of the World were to pay fair prices for the products of Haitain factories and earmark some of these payments for social development ( similar to the fairtrade scheme ). Free trade and the 'race to the bottom' has resulted in unstablle countries and failed states. From a purely pragmatic point of view this would be preferable to spending large amounts on food aid and peacekeeping. The situation has got worse since the endiing of the MFA.
http://in.reuters.com/article/idINIndia-33848120080601
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2006-05-22-bangladesh-protest_x.htm
The 24$ a month paid in many coutries is below that necessary for food and shelter.
The result of very poor wages and lack of jobs in Haiti is much strain on DR.
S.

Written by: etiennc, 10 Dec 2008 8:36 AM
From: United States
"save the butterflies"
Written by: WhySmitty This user is banned, 13 Dec 2008 9:24 PM
From: United States
President-Elect Obama has just appointed a Haitian-American by the name of Patrick Gaspard as the White house Political Director. FACTS: Haitians (Toussaint Louverture) rescued Dominicans from slavery. The article mentioned that DR spent so much money on Haitian health care. What about what is owed to the Haitians for cheap labor. DR owes the Haitians 100 times more. Write the check and send it to Haitian-American Obama's White House Political Director Patrick Gaspard. The Haitians are strong and proud people. They saved the United States Revolution in 1779 in Savannah, Georgia during the Revolutionary War. Haiti is and will remain forever the FIRST BLACK INDEPENDENT COUNTRY IN THE WORLD. The country that saved the U.S. Revoultion. The country that rescued Dominican Republic from slavery. The country that empowered Simon Bolivar. Let's combine DR and Haiti and call it "HAITI". A lot of Dominicans in NY agree with the idea. Join us. E-mail us at WhyGeorges@gmail.com.
Gracias. Merci
Written by: WhySmitty This user is banned, 13 Dec 2008 9:48 PM
From: United States
Voodoo is the key to Haitian success. It's like the stock market. It is experiencing a downturn right now. The Haitians will rise up again to become the most successful nation on the planet earth. WATCH!

The Jews have also their spiritual force. The Haitians are naturally gifted by the cosmos. They know how to endure, then they'll come out on top. It's a matter of time. WATCH

Starting with the appointment of Haitian-American Patrick GAspard by president -elect Obama as White House political Director. Haitians are strong and proud people. The saved the U.S. Revolution in Savannah. Georgia in 1779. They empowered Simon Bolivar. They rescued the Dominican Republic from slavery. They created the FIRST BLACK INDEPENDENT COUNTRY IN THE WORLD.
Written by: gatitapequena, 14 Dec 2008 10:55 PM
From: United States, Somewhere in the World
Sure maybe the haitians will rise again and be the first independant country, but at what price, having the "DEVIL" working for haiti, I'm sure your priests are going to sacrifice all of your alls soles everyone of you haitians will go to HELL, when the time comes, because your priests are barganing for your alls salvation, how about that.
Written by: WhySmitty This user is banned, 14 Dec 2008 11:03 PM
From: United States
gatitapequena,

Voodoo is the Haitians' secret to survival. Haitians used it in the past to defeat superpowers such as the Napoleonic troops. Haiti represents Africa. Africa is where the first human being walked tha face of this earth. Voodoo is a strong religion. Don't mess with Haitians. Don't mess with vodoo.
Written by: gatitapequena, 14 Dec 2008 11:46 PM
From: United States, Somewhere in the World
or what?

tell me WhySmitty since your so educated just what is voodoo?

voodoo might be the haitians secret to survival, but it's still the devils work.
Written by: generoso, 15 Dec 2008 12:21 AM
From: United States, Santo Domingo
WhySmitty
What kind of crack are you smoking? man you are delirious MF. Stay off the cleren and those dirt cookies mixed with dung mushrooms.
Your GD voo doo is what has put the curse on Haiti and will keep on lowering your bottom until a new floor is created.
Your voo doo is the trash can of religions and nothing but ancient superstitions for primitive folks.
If your voo doo is so great how come it hasn't helped Haiti and keeps lowering the standard to new
depths?
Nobody is afraid of your voo doo rituals from ancient Africa but the poor folks that you use hypnosis and suggestions to try to control the ignorant and superstitious masses that do believe in
that kind of garbage.
You should be ashamed to bring that sad subject up in this thread for intelligent folks that don't believe in black magic. If voo doo is so great it has sure done wonders to sink the Haitian people.
Written by: generoso, 15 Dec 2008 1:14 AM
From: United States, Santo Domingo
Agla agla agla agla agla agla,
Aleph, Nun, Vau, Resh, Cheth,Qoph, Daleth,Shin
Recabustira, Cabustira, Bustira, Tira, Ra, A.
I conjure you evil spirits to go back and possess the bodies of those that sent you..NOW!!!!
Written by: etiennc01, 15 Dec 2008 8:59 PM
From: United States
" save the bovine waste "
Written by: etiennc01, 15 Dec 2008 9:12 PM
From: United States
What is bull crap for some may be a treasure for others.
Ignorance creates superstition What is superstition ? Superstition develops when the irrational and the primitive mind is so desperate and trusts that it can influence natutral laws with some leaves,some powders, some bones , some dead animals,and some incantations

Superstition is when you keep making the same petitions and you get the same silence for an answer and you think that one day you will hear a voice saying OUGA OUGA OUGA OUGA.
Abrala o abrala o oo oo
What is OUGA OUGA Abrala o ?
It means : Oh Bull crap you are so dear to me !!!
Bull crap Bull crap !
Written by: gatitapequena, 15 Dec 2008 9:25 PM
From: United States, Somewhere in the World
jajajajaja, this is funny
Written by: WhySmitty This user is banned, 15 Dec 2008 9:55 PM
From: United States
Voodoo is the most powerful religion in the world and the most powerful weapon that Haitians have at their disposal. Voodoo can be used to cure. It can also be used to defeat oppressors such as the case of Haitians defeating Spain, England and France to create the first black independent country in the world. In his book DREAMS FROM MY FATHER, Obama takes pride in traveling to Kenya almost every year to stay in touch witrh the African voodoo spirits. You think it's just by accident Obama becomes the first African-American president of the United States and leader of rtge free worldd? The great religion voodoo has a lot to do with Obama's victory. Obama = Haitian Toussaint Louverture (deja vu all over again.)

Pena Gomez, the brightest Dominican or the brightest Haitian living in the Domonican Republic was blocked from becoming president of DR because of his dark color and his Haitian ancestry. Imagine the U.S. not electing their brightest candidate Obama because he is black.
Written by: WhySmitty This user is banned, 15 Dec 2008 10:01 PM
From: United States
Barack Hussein Obama retains his pure African and Muslim name. During Obama's presidency, Islam and voodoo will be respected as two of the top religions.
Written by: WhySmitty This user is banned, 15 Dec 2008 10:03 PM
From: United States
Haitians practice both Christianity and Voodooism
Written by: Dominicanation This user is banned, 16 Dec 2008 1:40 AM
From: Dominican Republic
viva voodoo
Written by: gatitapequena, 16 Dec 2008 10:40 AM
From: United States, Somewhere in the World
viva voodoo, it's still the work of the devil, plain and simple, sorry you all don't see that.
Written by: gouletcolonial This user is banned, 16 Dec 2008 10:43 AM
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
Pussycat as Sinatra used to sing it
Those fingers in my hair
That sly come hither stare
That strips my conscience bare
Its witchcraft

And Ive got no defense for it
The heat is too intense for it
What good would common sense for it do

cause its witchcraft, wicked witchcraft
And although, I know, its strictly taboo

When you arouse the need in me
My heart says yes indeed in me
Proceed with what your leading me to

Its such an ancient pitch
But one I wouldnt switch
cause theres no nicer witch than you gatita
Written by: gatitapequena, 16 Dec 2008 10:46 AM
From: United States, Somewhere in the World
jajajajajajaja

iyayai, me estan echisando
Written by: gouletcolonial This user is banned, 16 Dec 2008 10:53 AM
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
for you gatita listen carefully and you will see why when he died Pavoroti called him Mozart of the 20th century .LISTEN..http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5omScIPzxlU&feature=related
Written by: etiennc01, 16 Dec 2008 3:17 PM
From: United States
People who beleive in the power of voodoo are still waiting for Santa Claus to bring food for them.
No wonder they are so hungry , they have been waiting for too long.
" Ouga santaga clausgaga foodgaga hungrydada cacadada"
What does that mean ?
I am waiting for santa Claus I am so hungry
Written by: WhySmitty This user is banned, 16 Dec 2008 5:02 PM
From: United States

For those of you who doubt the power of voodoo, check the link below to see how voodoo has propelled Obama to victory as the president of the United States, the most powerful country in the world and leader of the free world. I am introducing you to Obama's voodoo priest in Kenya. Click on the link below to view the evidence, or paste it to your browser.

http://steelturman.typepad.com/th....deal/2008/11/so-thats-how-yo.html
Written by: gouletcolonial This user is banned, 16 Dec 2008 5:09 PM
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
smitty ....Look deep into my eyes and repeat after me..... I am a Moron I am a Moron
Written by: WhySmitty This user is banned, 16 Dec 2008 5:17 PM
From: United States
gouletcolonial,

I know you are finally convinced that voodoo is a powerful religion. Just say so. Don't feel embarrassed. The truth will set you free. Just admit that you are convinced.

For those of you who doubt the power of voodoo, check the link below to see how voodoo has propelled Obama to victory as the president of the United States, the most powerful country in the world and leader of the free world. I am introducing you to Obama's voodoo priest in Kenya. Click on the link below to view the evidence, or paste it to your browser.

http://steelturman.typepad.com/th....deal/2008/11/so-thats-how-yo.html
Written by: etiennc01, 16 Dec 2008 10:32 PM
From: United States
Who let the dog out woo woo wo
Written by: gatitapequena, 16 Dec 2008 11:00 PM
From: United States, Somewhere in the World
jejejejeje, (doggie I see doggie, (humped back, hairs standing up) hhhhiiiiissssiiiiinnnngggg!!!!

mmmeeeeeeeeoooooooooowwwwwwwwwwwwww!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Written by: WhySmitty This user is banned, 16 Dec 2008 11:25 PM
From: United States
etiennc01, gouletcolonial, gatitapequena,

Voodoo id not a joke. Voodoo is one of the strongest religions on the planet.

Just think about this two examples: 1) Aristide forced the U.S. to return him to Haiti and it's going to happen again. 2) Obama is now president of the U.S.

These tow things didn't happen by accident.

I am introducing you to Obama's voodoo priest in Kenya. Click on the link below to view the evidence, or paste it to your browser.

http://steelturman.typepad.com/th....deal/2008/11/so-thats-how-yo.html



Written by: WhySmitty This user is banned, 16 Dec 2008 11:54 PM
From: United States
Obama, Titid and I will all go to heaven beacuse our hearts are pure like fresh water cascading down the Niagara Falls. Voodoo will remain our secret weapon. The devil can not stand voodoo because voodoo can destroy the devil. God allows voodoo to continue because voodoo is a positive force in the universe. "Au non de Barron Lacroix, Barron Samedi. Ai Bobo ! I" (find out what this voodoo expression means.)

__I___ __I__ __I__ O I O
I I I I
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Written by: kmnupe, 17 Dec 2008 4:45 AM
From: United States, NYC
WhySmitty.

We get it , You're a vodouissant. let it go.

GATIGA.

I'm not sure if you follow any religion, But BRAINWASH?

Do you think that only Vodouists are brainwashed? Evil? What's evil? Is murder by religion_ evil?

Is subjugation by religion_evil?
Written by: yumnuk3, 17 Dec 2008 6:31 PM
From: United States
WhySmitty

What are some examples of Catholicism that Voodoo
practices today?
Written by: gatitapequena, 17 Dec 2008 7:29 PM
From: United States, Somewhere in the World
ya I'd like to know myself, and duh kmnupe i wasn't born yesterday, were you?
Written by: WhySmitty This user is banned, 17 Dec 2008 8:01 PM
From: United States
yumnuk3,

For your information, voodoo uses the same Saints that Catholicism uses. The only difference, Voodoo gives them different names. The voodoo priest or priestess asks God for permission first before he/She invokes the spirit (or Lwa). The Voodoo priest or priestess has to have clearance from God before he/she can be possessed by the African spirits that are floating in the cosmos. Voodoo is deep. Voodoo is real. Voodoo is powerful.
Written by: yumnuk3, 17 Dec 2008 8:12 PM
From: United States
WhySmitty,

Does Voodoo have Taino elements as well?
Written by: Dominicanation This user is banned, 17 Dec 2008 10:05 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Whysmitty Have done his homework, it seems like he knows a thing or two about that voodoo that I do. Oh! my. What most people don't know about voodoo is that their are good lwas and there are bad lwas. The bad one are obviously the ones capable of causing harm to others but the good ones are the ones often invoked by the regular Joes. It takes a very powerful Bokor to manage and maintain a malevolent lwa. Yes the lwas do need maintaining as well they are real sensitive beings and they can easily get offended if you don't give them their due respect. There's this one Lwa named M. he is neither Good nor Bad I like him, he doesn't bullshit you when you summon him/her/it but don't provoke him when he is busy because if you keep disturbing him while he is summoned some place else he will appear to you in such a foul form so horrifying that your heart might stop and you will die and he won't care. but 79% of the time he's cool. I remember this one time I summoned him and he
Written by: WhySmitty This user is banned, 17 Dec 2008 10:26 PM
From: United States
yumnuk3,

The The Tainos implore their own deities as well. The invisibles are alive and well. I play with them. I invoke them and I respect them. The Europeans imposed Christianity on the enslaved Africans (Haitians). The Haitians have embraced both. The Haitians continue to practice the voodoo religion that they inherit from Africa and they embrace catholicism as well. Therefore the Haitians are spiritually strong and powerful. The Jews, the Hindus, the Chinese invoke their own higher power once in a while. People who believe that their religions are the best, are so miserably mistaken and self-righteous. Why are Christians fighting among themselves in Ireland? Protestants against Catholics.
Written by: gatitapequena, 17 Dec 2008 10:52 PM
From: United States, Somewhere in the World
whysmitty you mean the priests ask the devil's permission, first, because in voodoo there is no god, because the only god up above does not deal with the devil and his hideous and insane work, I'm sorry you all are so brainwashed by this voodoo crap, you all just can't see the real light, do you all not see how bad things are for you all right now and they don't seem to be getting any better but worse, so tell me why is your voodoo not doing its majic job?
Written by: WhySmitty This user is banned, 17 Dec 2008 10:52 PM
From: United States
yumnuk,

Obama stays very attached to his Voodoo roots in Kenya. That's why he travels to Kenya every year. He mentions that in one of his books (DREAMS FROM MY FATHER). I respect all religions on this planet. I don't pretend I know everything. I will never say that X, or Y, Or Z religion is the best. Who am I to be that petentious?
Written by: Divinna, 18 Dec 2008 11:07 AM
From: Dominican Republic
I agree with you Gatitapequena, May God have mercy on all of you whom believe in the Devil's work and these so called Iwas, bakor =Demons. Then these people wonder why they live like they live and why they are miserable then they blame it on God. You have no commitment to God he has no commitment to you. You've asked God outta of your lives so like the Gentleman that he is he left, to give you room to pay these Voodoo priest to do these trabajos (jobs) to make your life better that never work. Gods love is free.
Written by: Dominicanation This user is banned, 18 Dec 2008 1:30 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Let's say hypothetically that you are right Divinna, let's say that the voodoo priest are in communication with evil spirits, demons etc.... Now who knows God better> Your local priest or a Demon that once resided in Heaven with God? Let's say that you are in an elevator and you are having a heart attack whom would you trust to better help you in a that situation a former doctor who had his license revoked for malpractice or an actor who plays a doctor on some TV Show. The logical answer would be to go with the ex-doctor sure his license may be revoked but that doesn't mean his knowledge is gone don't you agree? Let's say that you were the son/daughter of the person in charge on that doctor's license now that doctor has just helped you in that elevator do you think that your father will frown on the ex-doctor for helping you because his license was revoked? Well some spirits are looking to be in good terms with God, sometimes they do help us humans with no strings attach.
Written by: gatitapequena, 18 Dec 2008 1:36 PM
From: United States, Somewhere in the World
Dominicanation you and all those of you who have faith in voodoo and believe in it, whatever!!!!!, you all will always keep making excuses for what you belive in, no one is trying to take that away from you, or anyone who believes.

Have you ever tried believing in the one up there, to see where that might get you?
Written by: Dominicanation This user is banned, 18 Dec 2008 1:37 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Let's say hypothetically that you are right Divinna, let's say that the voodoo priest are in communication with evil spirits, demons etc.... Now who knows God better> Your local priest or a Demon that once resided in Heaven with God? Let's say that you are in an elevator and you are having a heart attack whom would you trust to better help you in a that situation a former doctor who had his license revoked for malpractice or an actor who plays a doctor on some TV Show. The logical answer would be to go with the ex-doctor sure his license may be revoked but that doesn't mean his knowledge is gone don't you agree? Let's say that you were the son/daughter of the person in charge on that doctor's license now that doctor has just helped you in that elevator do you think that your father will frown on the ex-doctor for helping you because his license was revoked? Well some spirits are looking to be in good terms with God, sometimes they do help us humans with no strings attach.
Written by: WhySmitty This user is banned, 18 Dec 2008 1:46 PM
From: United States
Dominicanation,

Keep preaching them. Keep lecturing them. Maybe one day they willl see the light.
Written by: gatitapequena, 18 Dec 2008 2:02 PM
From: United States, Somewhere in the World
whysmitty, believe me its not going to be the light your seeing, count on that!!!!!!!
Written by: generoso, 18 Dec 2008 2:07 PM
From: United States, Santo Domingo
Folks please read this paper and get enlightened about voo doo and other things.

http://www.websteruniv.edu/~corbetre/haiti/misctopic/leftover/whypoor.htm
Written by: gouletcolonial This user is banned, 18 Dec 2008 3:33 PM
From: Cuba, it is a secret the censors are looking for me
thanks squeeler
Written by: generoso, 18 Dec 2008 3:42 PM
From: United States, Santo Domingo
Just keep up the low insults and mischief troll, your doom and ejection day will soon come,
no question about that. But fortunately it doesn't end there as there are scores to settle for all the unkind words you splattered around unnecessarily, like the good slanderous troll that you are.
You will pay and you will pay soon for those insults, you can bet on that. Keep it up.
Written by: Divinna, 18 Dec 2008 3:47 PM
From: Dominican Republic
WhySmitty
No thanks, I don't need the preaching, I believe in the Alpha and Omega, King of Kings I'll be alright thanks.
Regarding Demons trying to be good with God why did the devil stay in hell? He like his specialty of deceiving people among other bad things.
Written by: Tainoloco, 18 Dec 2008 4:05 PM
From: United States
Hey Voodoo:
There are two equal and opposite errors into which our race can fall about the devils. One is to disbelieve in their existence. The other is to believe, and to feel an unhealthy interest in them. They themselves are equally pleased by both errors and hail a materialist or a magician with the same delight.

Written by: Dominicanation This user is banned, 18 Dec 2008 4:52 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Dear Divinna,

The Devil is only doing what God has asked of him to do, matter of fact from the Devil's point of view he simply exist to please God in other words the Devil has the dirty job nonetheless somebody has to do it. If the Devil exist today its only because God allow it and whatever task that the Devil may undertake who are you to tell him that he is wrong when he is simply doing the work of God.

P.S. I'll let you in, in a little secret "The Devil, is not in Hell. Lucifer is but not the Devil" and no Lucifer and the Devil are not the same being. What is above is also below. Ever heard of the Father , the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Below Lucifer is the Father, The name of his son I can not say and the Devil as the same function as the Holy Spirit. Wait a minute why am I telling you all this you should be paying me for that free knowledge. I won't say another word until I start seeing some MONEY.
Written by: Lautaro, 18 Dec 2008 8:18 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
Dominicanation and WhySmitty, I have a question for you: Did Makandal and Boukman recieve Lwa status as Dessalines did after his death?
Written by: Divinna, 19 Dec 2008 11:26 AM
From: Dominican Republic
FYI Dominicanation

The Father The Son and the Holy spirit is a holy trinity wich equals GOD don't ever get that twisted with Lucifer!
God gave the devil the authority to do what he does because he gives all the humans free will, we choose are path. We can go Gods way or the wrong way.
Written by: WhySmitty This user is banned, 19 Dec 2008 12:53 PM
From: United States
Dominicanation,

You are so good. Great job my friend! I really think you should
get paid for the knowledge and enlightment that you are bringing
to Lautaro, Divinna and the rest of the posters in this room.


Lautaro,
Makendal and Boukman were well equipped by the Lwas until death.
What these folks accomplished could have never been accomplished
had they not been empowered by the voodo spirit.

MET GENERAL TRACE FOUYE AYI BOBO!
_I_ _I _ _I_
I I I
Written by: Divinna, 19 Dec 2008 1:06 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Why Smitty
I feel bad for you if you feel this is knowledge
read up on the Holy trinity, but you are problably another one paying brujos for trabajos that don't go no where either. I'll pray for you.
All sorcery comes from the same source and is abhorred by God. .
Montate con una biblia
Written by: Tainoloco, 19 Dec 2008 1:10 PM
From: United States
Again this comes back to free will. If God manipulates the choice it isn't really free will is it? Choosing to follow Christ after experiencing the reality of hell is like choosing to bet on a horse race moments before the winner crosses the finish line. God made the evidence of His presence overwhelming. He gave us His Word in the Bible, He sent his Son to die for us, and he created the amazing universe we live in. He also gave us guidelines to live by because He wants peace and happiness for us. He didn't want us to live in chaos without Him, only to accept Him when the race is finished. God is a personal God who loves us and wants us to have hope, a hope that he freely gives. But, it is up to us to choose eternity with Him or apart from Him. God is honoring the right of those he created to make their own choices. We are not just a means to an end. He loves us and created us as unique individuals. He will reward us and receive us with open arms if we choose Him.
Written by: WhySmitty This user is banned, 19 Dec 2008 1:21 PM
From: United States
Generoso,
Bob Corbett is a scholar and an expert on Haitian culture. This is an excerpt from the link that you refer us to:

"Christian missionaries claim that the Voodoo religion is some sort of satanic worship and thus Haiti's suffering is caused by a combination of divine punishment and the ineptness of the satanic powers.
I will not comment one the supernatural part of it. But, the factual claim that Voodoo is a satanic worship is flatly mistaken. Voodoo is an African family-spirit religion. The spirits (not gods, but spirits--sort of like angels in Christianity) are invoked for moral advice and help with daily affairs. Additionally, Voodoo is a healing religion. Much of this healing is effective for local health problems. In general my strong impression is that people are very pragmatic about their healing. If a houngon or mambo (priest or priestess) heals, then people will use them again, otherwise not."

Written by: WhySmitty This user is banned, 19 Dec 2008 1:53 PM
From: United States
Tainoloco,
You have made some good points. But the Human race is more complex in his belief.
2.1 billion believe in the Bible (Christians). 1.5 billion believe in the Quoran (Muslim-Islam). 1.1 billion are secular/non-religious/atheist. 900 million practice Hinduism. 400 million practice Voodooism/primal indigenous. 400 million practice Buddhism/Shinto. 394 million practice Chinese traditional religion. 14 million practice Judaism. Etc...

This is the world we are living in. God does not give any religion the monopoly on the other. The bottom line is we have to respect all religions on this planet. Don't be self-righteous. Don't make the George Bush's mistake.
Written by: Tainoloco, 19 Dec 2008 2:25 PM
From: United States
I would never try to assume I am above any one, God is righteous.
Written by: Dominicanation This user is banned, 19 Dec 2008 2:39 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Divinna said: "The Father The Son and the Holy spirit is a holy trinity wich equals GOD don't ever get that twisted with Lucifer!God gave the devil the authority to do what he does because he gives all the humans free will, we choose are path. We can go Gods way or the wrong way."

And I say to you that Lucifer also has his own Trinity which includes him as the Father. Lucifer's son which his name I can not say "That doesn't mean I don't know it" and the Devil plays a similar role to that of the Holy Spirit. Basically what I'm trying to tell you is that Lucifer copies everything that is in Heaven in Hell. Anyway back to the original story Voodoo is not Evil believe it or not.

Voodoo is a mixture of the most popular cults just like Creole is a mixture of languages. Did you know that when the polish soldiers were in Haiti they had a female deity called Madame Brigitte, Voodoo has a M. Brigitte as well. Guess what? They are the same deity. Why is ours Evil & theirs not?
Written by: Divinna, 19 Dec 2008 2:49 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Dominicanation
Lucifer copies everything that is in Heaven in Hell. Anyway back to the original story Voodoo is not Evil believe it or not.
That's my point he's a deceiver, he can never be God.

Written by: Divinna, 19 Dec 2008 3:00 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Trust me I know a lot about Voodoo, I have people very close to me who practice it, I've been to the fiesta de Palos, and I've witness the viejos, beliah montandose and all..
I wouldn't comment on things without researching, that's what I do for a living.
Written by: Dominicanation This user is banned, 19 Dec 2008 3:01 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Lucifer never wanted to be God, he simply wants to be like God. Hell when I was growing up I didn't want to be John Wayne I wanted to be like John Wayne because of admiration not because I hated him. Logically one can say the same about Lucifer I doubt that Lucifer hates God or God hates Lucifer NO. Lucifer has a difficult task that he must perform for God just like Jesus had his own task nonetheless how difficult the task was they have to do it in order to please their creator Right? I'm probably not making any sense to you because you are not a logical person. You simply watch Fox News and do whatever the hell MTV and FOX tells you to do. I'm sorry but I don't have time to throw pearls at swines. But if you would like to know more I will teach you but I will not force this knowledge unto you. So what will it be?
Written by: Divinna, 19 Dec 2008 3:18 PM
From: Dominican Republic
No thanks, I am very logical and just because I don't agree with what you are telling me doesn't mean I don't understand it. If you want to keep feeling bad for Lucifer, his father and his wanna be holy spirit I respect that. Even thought Lucifer could care less. Like I said I am a researcher and know about these things you talk about, by reasearching and on a personal basis. Don't get upset my friend, God loves you.
Written by: WhySmitty This user is banned, 19 Dec 2008 4:07 PM
From: United States
My source has just confirmed that Mildred Aristide (Pres. Aristide's wife) will travel to Haiti on December 25 to assess the damage sustained by their home and make necessary repair and to pave the way for the return of Aristide to Haiti in March 2009. The U.S. Embassy in Port-au-Prince is well aware of the return and willl make sure that security will be provided to President's Aristide wife. On Dec 16, there were more that 300,000 Haitians demonstrated throughout Haiti demanding the immediate return of Pres. aristide , which is strongly supported by U.S. President-elect Obama. With the help of Bush, some Haitians thugs and drug dealers trained in the Dominican Republic orchestrated the coup against Aristide.
Written by: etiennc01, 22 Dec 2008 11:43 AM
From: United States
Akouga zuga tra atras tras tas al dominicanation alreves ouggabouga
What is that voodoo lwa saying ??
He says that "DOMINICAN REPUBLIC BOASTS ITS METRO TODAY "

"Tras para tras begga begaa zouga bouda Whysmitty"
What is he saying now?
He said that you are retarded,you are living in the past.
Written by: etiennc01, 22 Dec 2008 11:44 AM
From: United States
"Tidid bouga outaga"
What now?
He says : keep dreaming !
ah ah ah !!
Written by: etiennc01, 22 Dec 2008 11:50 AM
From: United States
" Retada retada wangafe moun pasa nou nan kaka "
Oh I know what the voodoo lwa is saying now
"Santo Domingo metro starts running today"
Written by: etiennc01, 22 Dec 2008 12:14 PM
From: United States
No stupid voodoo good luck amulets
No gross superstion
No vain nationalism
No more backward thinking,time for thinking ahead.
time for introspection,for political maturity,time to stop being beggars.
Time to say "Mea culpa Mea maxima culpa.
It is our fault , it is our damn fault if Haiti is not respected , if Haiti is a public nuisance to the world.
It is time to stop being a nation of rowdy ,mean,and selfish adolescents and blame everybody else for our shortcomings
Written by: WhySmitty This user is banned, 22 Dec 2008 12:17 PM
From: United States

etiennc01,

I read a report stating that Domincan Republic does not belong to the Dominicans. It belongs to foreigners and foreign investors. Dominicans just live there. DR has already drowned in debts. Does the metro go all the way to Porto Rico? That could help the Dominican refugees to get a less dangerous ride instead of risking their lives in shark infested water via rickety boats.
Written by: Lautaro, 22 Dec 2008 12:29 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
Typical idiotic chimere remark, pointing fingers at other countries' ills when in fact the ills affecting your country are the worst facing any Latin american nation, by a wide margin (gross overpopulation, lack of employment, erosion of the soil, high infant mortality rates, huge concentration of income on very few hands and a very large etc. to detail here) even surpassing the plight of Bolivia, which is facing almost the same issues. Face the truth man, Haiti will only recover when its sons and daughters stop beating their palms on their chests and displaying an empty, wasteful pride in order to escape the mighty task of having to work for a better future, which is the one that counts at the end of the day. The glories of the past won't help you in putting the food on your table, but I see that asking you to recognize this fact is too much to ask. Until then, keep using the historical escape hatch, it suits your personality (and the one of your little malicious leader) quite nicely.
Written by: etiennc01, 22 Dec 2008 1:09 PM
From: United States
What they are now, the freed Negreos will herafter be:without peace,security,agriculture or property; averse to labour through frequently perishing of want, suspicious of each other and the rest of mankind:pretending to be free while groaning beneath the capricious despotism of their chiefs all the miseries of servitute
Bryan Edwards 1843
Historical Determinism 1

Written by: etiennc01, 22 Dec 2008 1:21 PM
From: United States
"Haiti needs a foreign master"

Joseph Justin December 3,1914
Written by: etiennc01, 22 Dec 2008 1:51 PM
From: United States
Haiti a public nuisance 1991 - 1915
...After Charles Oscar Etienne the police chief and his pack of crimininals had shot , hacked,mutilated,and disembdied the prisoners enemies of Vilbrun Guillaume Sam-the wall of the floor of the prison were soaked with blood,their brains and their entrails.
Charles Oscar and his accomplices quickly departed (he for the Dominican legation(embassy)
He was found ,was shot 3 times.Dragged into the street by the crowd (le peuple souverain) Etienne's body was shot , hacked,and defiled by every passer-by and the evening had become an unrecognizable pulp of flesh.
Next morning , someone doused the stinking remains with cooking oil and let fire cleanse the gutter of whatever bones and offal the dogs and birds of prey had left.
on July28,at the French legation(embasy ) the peuple souverain began to look for Vilbrun Guillaume Sam .Found hiding behind a high-backed bed ,one of the lack sniffed the aroma of the iodoform on his dressing.
con't
Written by: etiennc01, 22 Dec 2008 2:04 PM
From: United States
con't
Vilbrum Guillaume was struck on the head,His face already streaming with blood he was hustled past his wife and his children.Paul Gardere stabbed fiercely with a poniard.
Then he was dragged downstairs by the heels.They flung him off the porch and onto the sharp gravel driveway.
His hand was whacked by a kokomakak ( baton) and his shattered white bone poked through his dark skin.His fingers went limp and they began to kick him.
Herard Sylvain raised his machette and struck twice.The second chop split his sckull in halves.
His was dismembered a cut thumb was placed in his mouch.
During the ensuing hours his torso,tied to a rope was hauled about , riddled by shots, hacked,stomped. and defiled.
ADMIRAL CAPERTON ENTERED PORT-AU-PRINCE and the American occupation began
Written by: etiennc01, 22 Dec 2008 2:08 PM
From: United States
A country of adolescents needs constant adult supervision.
Written by: Lautaro, 22 Dec 2008 2:34 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
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Written by: etiennc01, 22 Dec 2008 2:39 PM
From: United States
I thought that you were Haitian and should be concerned with Haiti's problems and suggest solutions
It things are so bad in the Dominican Republic why are your country men crawling over this country like rats.
You have not been able to shed the Marronnage mentality.
If it makes you feel better to ignore the garbage in your backyard and point the finger at the dirt in somebody else backyark Good luck !
Fixation Jealousy, Envy
Written by: WhySmitty This user is banned, 22 Dec 2008 3:13 PM
From: United States
Let me answer etiennc01 and Lautaro both at once.

Haitians are not envious. You guys are envious of Haiti's glorious history. I didn't say what I just posted above. I just got an e-mail fron a Dominican friend of mine. He said that Leonel is a phony with illusion of grandeur. Leonel is a George Bush's follower. The money that was spent to build the metro could have been wisely invested in the Dominican people themselves.
Written by: etiennc01, 22 Dec 2008 6:37 PM
From: United States
WhySmitty you confirm my point.
We hate this attitude of a cop stopping you for speeding and you are telling the cop look at the drivers speeding.
You are wrong for speeding in the first place and should pay the consequences and should curb you speeding tendencies.
The premise was that Voodoo is useles and creates mistrust among Haitians.
This has nothing to do with Leonel Fernadez and the Dominican Republic
Voodoo is dangerous because it shares the same rituals with withcraft
If circle A contains elements of circle B and cirlec B contains elements of circle A when twe two circles coincide it is difficult to to see the diffenrence between the two circles.
If A contains (12345abcde ) andB contains(12345 fghij ) when they coincide it is hard to differenciate A form B because they all contai the numbers(12345)
We must condemn these charlatans (who serve with both hands) to make sure voodoo and withcraft do not coincide.This is the principle of the Boolean Logic.
Written by: etiennc01, 22 Dec 2008 6:42 PM
From: United States
We can not and should not use this forum to project our shortcomings on people who have nothing to do with the misery and the poverty in Haiti.
On the contrary they have been good hosts and good neighbours.
Sure they must vent their fear when Haitians are invading their country.
If Haitians have destroyed their own country the Dominicans have very moral right to make sure that their country do not experience the same fate
Written by: WhySmitty This user is banned, 22 Dec 2008 8:03 PM
From: United States
Get over it. Voodoo is a great religion like any other religion. That will never change.

Haitian didn't destroy their country. The republicans and other foreign countries are the #1 problem of Haiti. We have enough ressources in the diaspora to put Haiti back on its feet. Aristide will be back in March and the Haitian diaspora will respond in great number in term of investing in Haiti.
Written by: etiennc01, 22 Dec 2008 8:16 PM
From: United States
WhySmitty.I am unable to make you post comments relevant to this article
"Haitian voodoo priests denounce foreign aid, U.N. peace keepers."

You try to get me to reflect about a debate regarding Aristide's return to Haiti, frankly I do not give a flying crap about the man.

This is my last post
May God bless you .
Written by: WhySmitty This user is banned, 22 Dec 2008 8:38 PM
From: United States
etiennc01,

If you can't take the heat, you don't belong to the kitchen.
Written by: miloskorac This user is banned, 27 Dec 2008 11:59 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo and Punta Cana
Max Beauvoir can always go back to Africa, if he can afford it.
Written by: WhySmitty This user is banned, 28 Dec 2008 12:30 AM
From: United States
Haitians are initiating Domincans into Voodooism one by one in a secret movement.

Watch the video below:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5JAo_ckdGs
Written by: WhySmitty This user is banned, 28 Dec 2008 12:30 AM
From: United States

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5JAo_ckdGs
Written by: miloskorac This user is banned, 28 Dec 2008 12:36 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo and Punta Cana
I don't think so. Dominicans are Catholics.
No Voodoo please. And it is a weak boomerang spell.

I do not even want to look that youtube.
Written by: generoso, 28 Dec 2008 2:16 PM
From: United States, Santo Domingo
I read a fine paper published recently by an anthropologist on Haitian voo doo that Lautaro offered the site and it was illuminating to say the least.
And it explains that we have to learn to accept the Haitian voo doo religion as 95% of it is really non
violent and only 5% of the practitioners use it for evil and dark means, as it's false reputation comes erroneously from.
I have met Max Beauvoir personally and he is a very respected religious leader in Haiti and not an evil person.
Lautaro, if you are reading this please re quote that source for us, thanks.
Written by: texasshoe, 28 Dec 2008 2:31 PM
From: United States, Richmond, Texas
Generoso,

In all religeous practices around the world there are always at work the forces of good and evil. Voodoo is no different. Voodoo is often refered to as "Black Magic" but the good side of it "Obeah" is often overlooked as it imparts blessings upon the ones already enjoyed by the practaticioner. Voodoo is not just in Haiti, but in numerous other Caribbean Islands with its' roots going back to Africa. It is heavily practiced in South Florida (due to Haitian and Jamacian immigrants) but also with its' slave roots in New Orleans and South Louisiana, i.e. Marie Laveau. As with most news articles items the good side hardly ever sells, but mention the bad or dark side of an issue and the papers fly off the stand.
Written by: WhySmitty This user is banned, 28 Dec 2008 2:49 PM
From: United States
miloskorac,

Haitians are catholic too. They practice both at a time: Voodoo and Catholicism. Haitians are very enlightened and very strong spiritually.
Written by: Lautaro, 28 Dec 2008 2:49 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
Here's the source:

http://www.webster.edu/~corbetre/haiti/misctopic/leftover/whypoor.htm
Written by: WhySmitty This user is banned, 28 Dec 2008 3:28 PM
From: United States
Haitians are waiting for Aristide's Return in March 2009 in a few months. The tiny 5% who orchestrated the kidnapping of Aristide are the ones who have plunged Haiti into chaos. The Haitian people are armed to their teeth. NO ARISTIDE ! NO PEACE !

Watch the video below:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Os_XzD4kc6g&NR=1
Written by: WhySmitty This user is banned, 28 Dec 2008 3:54 PM
From: United States
No Aristide ! No Peace !

No Titid! No Peace !

You must watch this video to see the peaceful Haiti that the Haitian diaspora and Aristide want.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIE9blLl9Uo&feature=related
Written by: WhySmitty This user is banned, 28 Dec 2008 4:12 PM
From: United States
Beside Patrick Gaspard, who has been appointed by Obama as the White House Political Director, we have another Haitian-American, Evelyn Garcia, who has just been elected to the Democratic National Committee. Haitian-Americans are fast rising stars in American politics at an incredible speed. They are part of Haiti's secret weapons for a bright future for Haiti. Voodoo is working. Just be patient.

http://www.palmbeachpost.com/poli....ws/epaper/2008/12/24/1224dnc.html

Written by: WhySmitty This user is banned, 28 Dec 2008 4:49 PM
From: United States
HAITIAN VOODOO PRIEST IS #1 IN THE WORLD: Max Beauvoir
Born in Port-au-Prince, Haiti. He graduated with a degree in chemistry from City College of New York 1959. He studied at the Sorbonne, France. By 1962, he obtained a graduate degree in biochemistry 1965, At Cornell Medical Center. He supervised a staff synthesizing metabolic steroids. Beauvoir joined an engineering Co. that had him set up shop in North Jersey, then a digital U.S. equipment Co. His interest in steroids brought him back to Haiti in January 1973 to experiment with hydrocortisone synthesized from plants. Beauvoir, one of the most respected voodoo priests in the world, enjoying celebrity, power, and great esteem. He is an Educated biochemist who has a hecogenin US patent in 1979. When Harvard anthropologist Wade Davis came to Haiti in 1982 to research what would become his acclaimed book on Haiti, voodoo, and zombies, and the movie "The Serpent and the Rainbow". Beauvoir has written several books on Voodoo.
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