From: United States, Spring Valley, NY
clearly no one has been to the north near Cap-Haitien where the whole place is covered with trees.
From: United States Virgin Islands, Christiansted.from the bar at the Comanche
thats the 2% to 4% the article is talking about probably I am sorry to say...a very sad picture
From: United Kingdom
I’m sorry! Mr. jemesouviens1804, but I fail to see your point. The fact is, Haiti, has almost lost any hope of regaining its ecological homeostasis and the ability to support its people. This very sad indeed…..
From: Haiti
The reforestation of Haiti should be advertise & the government should set campaigns to educate the people to preserve trees. Also a program where the government can subsidise propane gas and distribute propane gas stove at discounted rate to those that help plant trees. There is still hope hope Frank just a little working together and education of why reforestation is important or last option you cut trees you go to jail.
From: Dominican Republic
I really hate to say this, but the only hope for Haiti is for theUN to declare it a "Failed nation", take over the Administration of the geographical territory and enforce harsh measures of cooperation on it's people.
Follow up with the creation of a massive re-education program for young and old alike, begin a UN recovery plan by creating a "Works Progress Admiistration" with road and bridge building. a "Civilian Conservation Corps" to re-forest the country, re-build the agricultural industry toward self-sustaining, encourage and underwrite industrial expansion under supervised conditions, just to name a few of the areas currently lacking in the infrastructural regimes.
Thus far, this country hasn't been able to produce the necessary dedicated administrators of gevernment since it first gained independance. The only administrators that have been effective have been those of a dictatorial bent and who confiscated the public treasury for their own use.
TB
From: Dominican Republic
Historically, Haiti has been the pawn of the international community from its inception to the present day andthis must stop.
Only theUN has the international authority to solve all the issues that plague the people of Haiti and the sooner the UN realize that fact, the better off the Haitian people will be.
TB
From: United States Virgin Islands, Christiansted.from the bar at the Comanche
It is sad when I cannot try to amuse myself with a facetious remark or an insult at a braindead adversaries expense.......a feeble attempt at humor would show an insensitivity that even I do not possess.. The human suffering in Haiti is a cloud over us all...We must some how will the sun to come out.....for the sake of humanity..
From: United States, Spring Valley, NY
TB that solves nothing and it ridicules the Haitian people. I would be strictly against this. I starting to get the feeling that Dominicans just want to see Haitians suffer. This is no longer 1915 and we will never want to revert back to that.
From: Haiti
TB, are you serious. I believe we went down that road before and each time Haiti spirals further down into the abyss. Let's not forget the US & UN intervention of 1994. Jemesouviens, dont even need to go that far back. You and I, the world have seen what the so called UN vacationers have done in haiti. What have the UN minustah have done this time around. The difference this time is they have sent our brothers in from latin america and far away to so called adminster us. How soon we forget that they are the ones how administered the first democratic president then later decide he was really into democratic ideology where the people decide and needed to be escorted out. Some haitians just can't get their act together, thanks to who? B4, anyone responds yes haitains in the government cabinet are to blame as well.
From: Dominican Republic
I can see that your mind is made up as to theroot causes of Haitis failure as a State.
That root cause being the inability of Haitians to understand any system of economics andpolitical science then put that understanding to work for the good of the population.
Yes, for sych to work as it should, it requires thecooperation of that population, who in the long run have been handicapped by that same lack of understanding and that is thefault of the system of education andthepoliticians at work.
There is a saying that "it's difficult to think about draining the swamp when you're up to your a$$ in aligator's" and that is true in the case of Haiti and it's people.
Mouth of all you want to, but in the final analysis, it is Haiti's fault that they are where they are today.
TB
From: Dominican Republic
The DR should just get the mandate to administer the entire island via a bi-cameral Haitian-Dominican congress, therefore making the administration of the Haitian side a joint effort.
The UN should fund the creation of new departments to deal with deforestation/economic woes/health/education, etc... That way the funds would be invested 100% on Haiti's side.
All taxes levied on the Haitian side should be set aside to be used and invested on the Haitian side only until the economy and given social structuring reaches on par to that of the DR's side. Think east-west Germany unification.
After that is accomplished, the DR and Haiti should be fused into one single economy/nation with dual internal identities as per cultures, like many other nations where two or more cultures/races have been able to flourish unabated...
Now, the magic potion here is the money... The DR can't take on a failed nation on the back of a still developing country with many goals yet to achieve itself...
From: Dominican Republic
What the heck! Let's send Candelier with some few troops there to take control of the country and give him some good recruits from Haiti's youth. He would do wonders to get people off the trees very effectively... Not to mention save the country a bundle on having to house and feed criminals...
From: United States Virgin Islands, Christiansted.from the bar at the Comanche
very interesting chapter in book by the name of Collapse....by author of ...GUNS GERMS and STEEL ..chapter name is Hispaniola ONE ISLAND TWO CULTURES...texas bill if you know of it what do you think about it?I am curious
From: United States, Spring Valley, NY
RPichardo, what you propose would never work because for one thing Haitians would not want Dominicans making choices and running their country for them. In essence this would be considered as "Treason" if any Haitian Politician proposed this. Secondly, the Dominican Government does not have a good relation with its Haitian counterpart and an overwhelming percentage of Dominican people/Cultuture view Haitians with disdain, hatred, and suspiscion. Your comment about sending troops also shows what I believe is a lack of concise thinking (with all due respect). We Haitians may be poor, but we are very proud people. Proud of our culture, nation, and citizens. Now I will be the first to tell you that Haiti does have problems, but its not up to the level where we need to give ourselves up to foreign nations. What us Haitians need right now is investment to spur our economy which will help us build infrastructure. Rene Preval and Charlito Baker are the only hopes for Haiti right now.
From: United States
Right on TexasBill
Written by: Euromax, 17 Feb 2008 6:06 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Bona, The holy land of the west
WE should build a huge wall in our border, and not let those Haitians do the same to us, i will defend my land until i die!
From: United States, Spring Valley, NY
Poor Euromax,......making stupid comments again...No brain in that blk head....oh no I mean, no brain in that white head....Ahhhh, I mean no brain in that Mulatto head....whichever one you are, I dont care. You have no brain regardless.
From: United Kingdom
Candelier, is a little extreme, but hey! maybe that’s what Haiti needs right now.
Written by: santanar, 17 Feb 2008 7:03 PM
From: United States
Is there any web site/ documentary or writing (other then the one seen here) that can illustrated how the average Haitian feel about us. Pichardo you annalist is very interesting and my request is focus on that that particular focus point//
From: United States Virgin Islands, Christiansted.from the bar at the Comanche
they asked me who I was voting for in the elections in U.S.A.??????? .........I told them very emphatically the " partially white guy ".....thats progress
From: Dominican Republic
Haiti! I say let the invisible hand of commerce solve the problem. Begin by having the Haitian Government invite companies to set us businesses in Haiti. Those that the government approved would get Tax Free status for let's say 50 years provided they educated Haitians to assume most of the work that the invited companies produced and paid these educated Haitians a decent living wage. These employees would pay taxes and these taxes would help pay for the infrastructure that the companies would need. These companies would be permitted to import duty free whatever resources they would require for the products they made and could extend their tax-free status by increasing the number of Haitian employees beyong the original agreed upon numbers. They would also be required to dispose of any waste that they generated in accordance to international standards. Hong Kong and Singapore were swamps converted into dynamic economies by the invisible hand of commerce. A dream perhaps but why not?
From: United Kingdom
Mr. gouletcolonial, ur a trip!(lol)
From: United Kingdom
Mr. Juansantodomingo, talk about corporate incentives; why not just sell Haiti, to the highest
Bidder.
From: Dominican Republic
Not surprised at your reaction given your other posts. Haiti is in a desperate situation and that calls for desperate measures. The people are one of the hardest working in the world. They've been dealt a bad hand. What's worse another fifty years of the same old same old or taking a risk by taking a path already proven in other parts of the world. To borrow a famous line from the movie Wall Street, "Greed is good". Let controlled greed with strings attached try to solve what has been and continues to be a serious problem. In my scenario, Haitians would choose who would come in and what the rules of entry would be. There would be a quid pro quo in exchange for freedom from taxes. Those that did not like the rules could stay away. Imagine a "New Hong Kong" a few miles, in relative terms, from the main commercial engine of the world.
From: United States
Very sad this situation, I guess only choice is to move east of the Island. "Slowly", one by one !!!!
That will do it...
From: United States
Very sad this situation, I guess "the" only choice is to move east of the Island. "Slowly", one by one !!!!
That will do it...
From: Dominican Republic
lol, Perception... and that is what I fear... more poverty in our country will only help in holding us back... 42% poverty level is 40% too high
From: United Kingdom
Mr. Juansantodomingo,Haiti’s situation can be resolved by an aggressive International Aid package. This package must included a repair of the educational infrastructure, money, police training( institution of COSO internal control protocols and control objectives,to protect the money; and common sense approach in the way of technological and allocative efficiency) and a public educational campaign on the ills of deforestation and it’s effects on the country as a whole. Reforestation efforts in Haiti, under present conditions would be tent amount to terraforming on Mars.But you know what they say “necessity is the mother of invention” and I bet with the right amount of capital it something can be done.
From: United Kingdom
As with all developing countries,Haiti faces some tough decisions(once the situation stabilizes) in it‘s future in regard economic growth, because it takes capital to make use of technological change and increase labor productivity, since capital represents output that is produced now, for the purposes of increasing productivity later, the creation comes at the expense of current consumption. In simple terms sacrificing consumption in favor of producing capital can speed up economic growth, but may be headache in the present(amassing wealth at the expense much needed goods, Haiti probably cannot do this) .Haiti must identify goods in which it holds a absolute and comparative advantage and then exploit them to the best of her abilities, to quickly get back on it’s feet . Why can Haiti achieve this simple goal?
From: United Kingdom
Because of the level of development. Haiti is not at a level were it can exploit its resources and reach acceptable level economic growth. What hinders Haiti’s economic development?
1. Poverty
2.Deficiencies in infrastructure
3.High population growth
4. Low life expectancy
Under the Malthusian view, starvation is the only force that can keep population in check. while economics can help; uncontrolled population growth and the limits on countries production of food and resources would lead to chaos.(guess they didn't get the memo)
From: United Kingdom
If you were to measure Haiti’s development using Rostow’s model (for Econ. development). Haiti falls some where in between
Stage 2: precondition for the takeoff. Agricultural production and rises to level where people trade excess production. (investment in transportation is key, to take crops to distant markets)
Stage 3: Takeoff. Farmers leave the farms and move to the cities to begin urbanization, but the economy remains focused on agriculture with a few manufacturing industries springing up. What does Haiti need to get to the 4 stage? massive amount of investment to create a stable manufacturing sector.
From: United Kingdom
In closing Mr. Juansantodomingo, I guess; i'm sorry for the length of my comment, this is area of economics is very near my area of study. I also have a old IMF paper on difference between Haiti and DR development over the last 40 years.
http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/wp/2007/wp0763.pdfP.S ur idea of Haiti having an open economy and being at the mercy of companies who only take their profits in mind is preposterous. Imagine Enron or WorldCom in Haiti, i know to cruel to even imagine. What Haiti needs is for her sons abroad to return home, but even if they do; they are limited by what they can do, because “old guard” does not allow Haiti to have dual citizenship.
Written by: Lautaro, 18 Feb 2008 7:59 AM
From: Brazil, near Copacabana
That "solution" of yours would only tend to increase the poverty of the island, mr. Perception, because, if you hadn't read mr. Frank's posts (by the way Frank, nice posts, keep up the good work), one of Haiti's problems (perhaps THE problem, in my opinion) is overpopulation, a thing that coupled with archaic cultivation techniques, are the reasons that explain the current ecological deterioration over there, which would not solve itself simply by removing a big chunk of its population from the equation, as you're so lightly "suggesting" (According to the british writer James Leyburn on his book "The Haitian Nation", the UN proposed the same "solution" in 1949, and it simply hasn't worked). They simply need to learn the lesson that dominicans have been learning the hard way, namely, that children simply do not come with the everyday bread down the armpits (venir con el pan debajo del brazo).
From: United States
You are all wrong... Haiti needs a DICTATOR with a big army to instill fear in a country were the rule of law doesn't exist. From political science class i learned that what gives government power it's their unchallenge ability to inflict violence and thus make the populance respect the laws.
From: Haiti
Great post FranktheTank, only if international community were really trying to help haiti rebuild itself. Dual citizenship should be implemented to on a broad level & the diaspora that have acquired skills to return home to put it in good use. Rebuilding infrastructure can also return the manual labor haitian workers that are in DR to return home and put their skills and work ethic to use.
TB, I am open to how the UN would improve haiti's condition. Looking at the UN's & Co. track record in haiti it is clear as water that they are co-conspirators to haiti's demise. I am delighted to hear otherwise and hope to change my mind.
Written by: Lautaro, 18 Feb 2008 10:45 AM
From: Brazil, near Copacabana
If one were to take the cases of Somalia, Kosovo and Darfur as examples, then one have to conclude that your misgivings are not entirely unfounded on the matter of the UN apparent lack of effectiveness to handle regions in conflict, mr. Jabao.
From: Dominican Republic
It is not the UN itself which is at fault. It is the ones who are apointed by that organization to do the job needed.
In the final analysis, the UN has been maligned for it's inability to carry out it's mandates in any number of areas. That isa known fact. Corruption within the organization and the failure of the administering officials ahas rendered many of its projects ineffective andwithout force.
What is needed is an "oversight organization" within the body politic which will have an impact on it's operation through the uncovering of those corrupt practices currently in effect andwhich will report to the General Assembly on a quarterly basis as to theeffectiveness of the various programs being pursued.
Careful selection of "program managers" will create an atmosphere of transparancy and progress.
Once that is in place, we will see that the UN can do what it is mandated to do.
TB
From: United Kingdom
Mr. Carlos Franco, I’m sorry; but what political science class was that .I know, I haven’t taken political science in some years(Im 29), but has the curriculum changed that much. Unless ur teacher gave you Niccolo Machiavelli “The Prince”(one of my favorites along with Castiglione’s the “Book of the courtier“) as an assignment but that book it’s an extreme look political ideals during tumultuous times in the 16th century.
Mr. Jabao, what are the possible reasons not to institute dual citizenship in Haiti, because I have yet to think of one.
From: Haiti
Sometimes I think that having another government, any government, would be better than what we have now. Thing is, it wouldn't be the first time that the UN tried to intervene, and it never turned out good. It's not some conspiracy or anything of the sort, it's so much simpler and sadder. The people from the UN that end up volunteering for a mission in Haiti are older white gentlemen who care more about spending their last years before retirement under the sun and by the beach. Many, if not all, also end up spending each night with a different black girl.
From: Dominican Republic
Frank;
Many of today's politicians have studied Machiavelli's "Prince" in depth and apply many ofhis "principles" totoday's political arena very effectively. FDR is one that comesto mind with his "playing one against another" of his political adversaries and within hisown party.
Goebel also made use of many of those pronciples with his "propaganda machine" early on during the Nazi Party's rise to power.
There are many more examples of modern day application of Machiavelli's principles that are hidden in the archives of historical documents. The problem lies in recognizing them and combatting them as they show their ugly heads.
Those principlesare also used extensively in the"business world" as are those of the
Chinese General, Sun Tzi (check my spelling since I can't find my copy of thebook).
Both are commentaries on adversarial conflicts with advise as to how they are counteracted.
TB
From: United States
I guess the only choice is to move east inland. "Slowly", one by one !!!!
That will do it...
A very certain fate of a true reality !!!!!!
"The Ends Will Justify This Mean"
Written by: Bizc8, 18 Feb 2008 2:30 PM
From: United States
Haiti should just become a socialist state whose official language, French, should be forced upon its citizens. Do away with Creole, officialize French (or better yet - English/Spanish given the neighbors it has) and adopt a socialist form of government. I don't believe Haiti is ready to go from anarchy to democracy all in the blink of an eye. Haiti has not enjoyed any significant period of stability that would prepare it to be a totally free, democratically elected republic.
Also, given the extreme conditions, pride only serves to be an obstacle to Haiti's improvement. Pride is good under certain circumstances, but in this case being proud would seal Haiti's fate. Allow yourselves to be helped, renew your minds and hearts, change your attitude and give something new a chance to flourish in your country.
From: United States Virgin Islands, Christiansted.from the bar at the Comanche
these comments being made by some people are racist and distasteful and show a great lack of compassion for a suffering Nation...You swine should walk a mile in their shoes
Written by: Jander, 18 Feb 2008 4:08 PM
From: Dominican Republic
The truth in this Gentlemans post :
Poverty breeding Poverty , no way out!
That "solution" of yours would only tend to increase the poverty of the island, mr. Perception, because, if you hadn't read mr. Frank's posts (by the way Frank, nice posts, keep up the good work), one of Haiti's problems (perhaps THE problem, in my opinion) is overpopulation, a thing that coupled with archaic cultivation techniques, are the reasons that explain the current ecological deterioration over there, which would not solve itself simply by removing a big chunk of its population from the equation, as you're so lightly "suggesting" (According to the british writer James Leyburn on his book "The Haitian Nation", the UN proposed the same "solution" in 1949, and it simply hasn't worked). They simply need to learn the lesson that dominicans have been learning the hard way, namely, that children simply do not come with the everyday bread down the armpits (venir con el pan debajo del brazo).
From: Dominican Republic
Bizc8;
Just for openers, my socialist friend, WHERE will Haiti get it's funds with which to fund the social programs that are necessary?
Presently, there is an insufficiency of a tax base to even fund rebuilding of theinfrastructure, much less to provide for healthcare, education & schools, highways and bridges, a re-forestration program to alleviate the problem of mudslides and loss of arable lands with which thepopulation can feed itself.
Methinks you just have not thought the problem through with your statement. In addition, there are not enough rich people with enough money to do thefunding even if the government were to confiscate what they have.
You're like so many of the Socialist bent, in that you never think of the resourses needed to fund a Socialist Society and Economy.
The money just isn't there, nor are the resources for such a venture.
Go to School and LEARN about Economics and government. Otherwise, shut up and listen.
TB
From: United States
30% Hispanola -> Haiti about 9,000,000 population. GDP - 0%
70% Hispanola -> Dominicans about 9,000,000 population. GDP + 9%
Dominicans can accomodate 4,500,000 Haitians and everything breaks even.
Simple Business Math. !!!!
Like a "Very Happy Family".
Don't you think. ??
Written by: Lautaro, 18 Feb 2008 4:30 PM
From: Brazil, near Copacabana
The only thing that you would accomplish is to get the cake to be smaller and smaller, mr. all-not-too-perceptive, making everyone unsatisfied at the end of the day. Furthermore, there are already 4 million people in the 70% that are barely getting crumbs of it as things stands.
From: United States
FranktheTank: "Political Science 1.7 introduction to international poltics" was the name of the course. Yes it is rather machiavellian but it is also the truth. i believe the questions were "where do states get their authority? how do they enforce it? if violence were not wholly within the hands of one government or prince or dictator than thats called a state of civil war such as that of Colombia whose authority is challenged by the rebels... Democracy has only become widespread after 1945
From: United States
Then and only THEN !!!! after the "Accommodation" the numbers will look like this.!!!!
30% Hispanola -> Haiti about 4,500,000 population. GDP 4.5%
70% Hispanola -> Dominicans + immigrants about 12,500,000 population. GDP 4.5 %
Like a "Very Happy Family".
Don't you think. ??
Love you'll !!!!
From: United States
Perception: We have enough Haitians in DR (1,000,000) we don't need 3.5 million more... You're crazy. those number don't count becuase you're calculating resources that don't belong to haitians
From: United States
They will work, CHEAP !!!! But they belong to the international community !!!!
From: United States
I'LL RENOUNCE MY COUNTRY AND NEVER RETURN IF THAT EVER HAPPENS...
From: United States
Its happening at my back yard, and nothing can do about it.
My believes.
From: United States
The US has accommodated more than 75 Million immigrants from worlwide, and nobody had noticed in the past 10 yrs.
So don't mind what I just said,
Nice Day.
From: United States
4.5 Million hatians will bring the entire economy down. unemployment would be at 80%... You're dumb to think this would actually be allowed to take place... even dumber to assume that haitian poverty can be eliminated by siimply immigration to DR. One million haitias have already prompted the govenrment to make institution such as CESFRONT... But if it ever happens dominican radicalswill use the opportunity to gain power and get rid of all the haitians in the country. I WOULD SUPPORT THEM
From: United States
I'LL RENOUNCE MY COUNTRY
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You "DID", the day you immigrated. !!!!!
Written by: Lautaro, 18 Feb 2008 9:47 PM
From: Brazil, near Copacabana
Are you forgetting mr. all-not-too-perceptive that a large chunk of that 9% of GDP is actually dedicated to paying a little troubling thing called "external debt" to the banking vampires of your country and your european cohorts? and that the little % that may be left of it is not enough to cover the expenses of our own country alone? Why don't you make yourself useful and ask Uncle Sam to be merciful with us on that account, please? :-(
From: United States
Maybe ???
Written by: JOHNUSA 
, 19 Feb 2008 1:06 AM
From: United States
Say no to Communism.
Say no to socialism.
Say yes to Democracy!
Only a democratic government can turn Haiti around. Haiti's democratic government is young. Give them a chance to reverse 200 years of turmoil. With the assistance of big brother (USA) Haiti will prosper.
From: United States
JOHNUSA
Only a democratic government can turn Haiti around. Haiti's democratic government is young. Give them a chance to reverse 200 years of turmoil. With the assistance of big brother (USA) Haiti will prosper.
0000
Sir, If you really believe in what you wrotte, I swear, I will not comment anymore.
Sincerely,
Perception.
From: United States
You "DID", the day you immigrated. !!!!!
I go back a lot, and i defend my country from people like you... What about you... What are you doing in the USA if you're not in the same situation as i am or worse, i can easily make the same comment from you, which means you didn't think about it when you opened your big mouth. You disgust me with your no-sense comment. I can be a patriot anywhere and my presence in this site is to defend my country from people like you who seek to undermine our culture.
PS: You seem to answer every comment on the spot no matter what time of the day... get your lazy ass of the computer and get a job.
From: United States
JOHNUSA: Communism is not bad... it is the totalitarian part that messes things up. Marx never advocated for a totalitarian state. If communism were possible under a democratic regime, it would be the perfect government. It would be something like the "Anti-federalist" papers.
From: United States
The US could use some socialism, in its education and medical care. like those in europe.
As a healthy and educated individual you are an asset to the state, and it is their job to ensure that you have these two basic opportunities.
From: Dominican Republic
CarlosFranco;
FYI, the USA is already a psuedo-Socialist State with all the "social programs" already in place.
There's Social Security with the Sopplimental aspects, medicare, Medicaide, Food Stamps, Unemployment Benefits, Free Lunch Programs, etc.,etc. This has been creeping up on us since the early 30's and began under FDR. What we have in the USA today is a "modified capitalistic economy" with the government funding a huge number of "social programs" designed to capture votes for the Democratic Party incumbents. SSA deductions are now at 7-1/2% with the employer contributing the same. This program started out at a1% deduct. While I'm not belittling these programs, they are indicatative of theattitude of the population demanding more and more of government at the behest of politicians bent on perpetuating their tenure in office with no regard to the consequences of their proposals and actions.
TB
From: Haiti
Hey, wasn't this article about reforestation of Haiti. How did it turn to this? TB, thanks for clarifying the obvious about the USA for those that don't know the system. What is this about haitians moving over to DR? That isn't a responsible comment nor is it reasonable. Haitians don't want to leave their homeland many do it for political and majority economical reasons and those that migrate to DR for economical reason are very very desperate since DR isn't a place to migrate unless one is already establish to overcome the everday difficulties. Haiti & DR are to separate countries on the same island that needs to improve relations rather than dispute the past in todays world.
Written by: Lautaro, 19 Feb 2008 11:31 AM
From: Brazil, near Copacabana
From what I have heard and read, those social programs that you're mentioning suffered drastic reductions on the 90's, mr. TB, specially when the congressional majority was in the hands of the GOP headed by Newt Gingrich. So you can be pretty sure that what mr. Franco is telling may not be far from reality, specially on the unemployment benefits department. A bitter contest is being fought right now between president Sarkozy and the opposition in France regarding the former's plans of drastically reducing the unemployment benefits coverage on that country.
From: Haiti
Lautaro, I think what TB is trying to clarify is that there are/were social programs implemented. Now you raise the question of if these social programs have been diminishing since the ealry 90's is a different story. My personal opinion, I think some of these programs should be reduced. I have seen what these social programs have done to people in Canada & France. Now in the USA reducing social programs have forced welfare queens to get off their sofa and turn off the TV and get a damn job. The only problem is when going to MCdonalds or Walmart you have lazy employees with attitude wishing they were home collecting giving customers attitude and can't give you correct change without looking at the monitor on the register..
Written by: Lautaro, 19 Feb 2008 12:53 PM
From: Brazil, near Copacabana
Yeah, I saw the same case that you're mentioning on Puerto Rico, mr. Jabao. These programs, while useful for maintaining social disturbances in check, have the troubling drawback of killing the initiative of the individual to excel himself/herself, because he/she will always have the assurance that the big brother will always come to their rescue when finding themselves in trouble economically speaking.
From: United States
TexasBill: I know about the social programs under FDR, i read it in college, but still it isn't good enough. 50 million Americans are without health insurance, and countless others don't have the resources to pay for tuition, I joined the army for that purpose, to finance my education... what am trying to say is that i could be better. like in Europe for instance. In Germany education cost about $300, very affordable for the population and look how well Germany has done....
Also while i don't like Michael Moore i must say that the man's got a point.... watch "Sicko"
From: Haiti
I think Carlos that you've become to americanised. USA's government has done alot for you and you also took the initiative to do your part. Unfortunately, there is some issues regarding health care and lack of resources but as an immigrant from the DR, I think you should see it as differently (positive) and know that if you were in the DR you would've had nothing. I think all immigrants have done well in USA because they come from nothing(literally know that there isn't any government hand out) while those immigrants that came here at an early age or born in the USA become complacent and always asking for a hand out than a hand up. It is a well known fact first generation immigrants do much better than the ones that follow.
From: Haiti
cont..They become too complacent and expect the government to do more. Besides, USA wouldn't be a great of a country if it wasn't for it's, although not perfect, system. Send those 50 million americans to Haiti/DR and they would have nada. So from this side it looks like a good deal. That's why mexicans mainly and other immigrants are doing jobs that americans dont want to do. No qualifications asking for a salary that is well beyond their schooling.but will be upset if that government cheese isn't in the mail every month. Now immigrants that have become complacent have gotten the lazy bug virus and want more more more. I have been around I can say the USA system is the best hopefully it will go back on track and set the trends as always although Globalization and the lack of educated americans that can work hard is something to worry about. Canadas system with a less socialism would be paradise but their winter is gruesome.
From: United States, Spring Valley, NY
You know, I put the blame squarely on those incompatent Haitian officials running the country for this whole deforestation issue. If Senatuer "Jean-Pierre" was more concerned about running the country well, then counting how many Gourdes he will make this month, we wouldn't have this problem. They need to create a "Environmental Protection Agency" and enact a law that states if you cut down tree's without a permit you will have to pay "$500" fine(in US money), jail sentence, or community service. They should also pay people for reporting whoever that cuts down a tree. We have to get strict on those Haitians that cut down those trees.
From: United States
Why compare the USA to the DR.... are you crazy... Why not be smart and compare a First World Country with another. US VS Japan, or US vs Western Europe... Thats more like it, have you followed the campaigns, have you listen to what the people want... They want health care and affordable education... once i graduate am going to have 30,000 worth of debt... I don't know about you but thats unfair considering that as a young and educated person i will be an asset to the state.
I have certainly become americanized, i notice when i went to DR, i have been living here most of my life, but still i have a great respect from the country i hailed from and its people. I served in the US army and hopefully after graduating college in 2009 i can enlist again as an officer, and continue my service.
"Service is it's own reward"
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Mr. Carlos Franco, as a vet don’t you qualify for grants, low interest loans and other special programs.
From: United States, Spring Valley, NY
Just curious, Mr. CarlosFranco, but what was/is your MOS
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Mr. Jabao, I like the bearing ,of your ur last posting,(you might just be a “supply-sider” like me LOL)man! I always had you pegged as a lefty.
From: United States Virgin Islands, Christiansted.from the bar at the Comanche
Francisco we call it" supply sider " lefties call it "trickle down"
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i hailed from and its people
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Now your talking !!!
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jemesouviens1804
Explain to him, Military Occupation Spc.
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What all of us wish could/would happen is that people would once again become ambitious, energetic and productive instead of being in that element of any society that loksto the "guv'mt" to provide them with the "sustenance" of living their dream.
When a population begins to depend on, or demand that the "guv'mt" provide everything for them, then that population is doomed to failure in life.
I am reminded of a TV report several years ago on the conditions existing in "Low cost housing" in the Chicago area. This housing was provided by the Feds in a project to provide such housing to low wage earners at a cost they could afford. The conditions existing after just two years of occupation were deplorable; bathrooms were trashed out, rooms were the same and the yardspaces were dumping grounds for garbage and refuse of all types. The occupants just didn't take even the minimum care of the properties. This environment existed all over the US.
From: United States Virgin Islands, Christiansted.from the bar at the Comanche
the huge amounts of national treasure spent administering these Federal boondoggles is a disgrace the waste could buy us the health care the people need with reasonable copays....and Education that would again be the envy of the world for all of our schools not just the elite schools which are still the best ...but even they are losing ground.....F.D.R. unleashed a monster
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That'sonly ONE example of the degridation of character that people go through when offered "something for nothing" by government.
Hospital Emergency rooms are innundated with people that take up valuable time and services of attending physicians who treat their "common colds" and other minor ailments that could be treated by simple "home remedies" available to society, but these people simply will not provide for themselves in any way. That's one reason for the high cost of "medical services". There aren't many physicians who will "turn away" a truly ill person simply because they haven't the financial wherewithal to pay for a service. Not all of the I grew up in South Texamedical profession are oriented solely to the profit motive.
People who "want their cake and eat it too" are really in the minority, but there is always that element that is suceptable to the entrities of those that say "let the guv'mt" do it".
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I grew up in South Texas during the Depression Years of the 30's and early 40's and observed, first hand, the begining of efforts instituted for economic recovery. I observed the"hofoes" who travelled from town to town "riding the rails" camping in tehadjacent wooded areas, begging for work and food just to maintain themselves. I observed the men working on the projects of the Work Progress Administration, building roads, bridges, canals, reservoirs, Federal buildings, etc. and the members of the Civilian Conservation Corps, who built recreation centers, planted trees and managed Federal and State Forestry Reservations for thegrand sum of $30/month plus room and board. I watched as Federal agents slaughtered thousands of cattle and buried them in an effort to raise beef prices and to prevent the bankruptcy of the ranchers so vital to the well being of the population nation wide. I observed the organizing and the expansion of "unionism" take place (cont'd)
From: United States Virgin Islands, Christiansted.from the bar at the Comanche
well Bill I almost started humming" brother can you spare a dime " reading your post.....not to make light of this thing called" hard times ".....But I know from listening to people who did live through it it marked them for life....unfortunately these hard lessons are forgotten when the witnesses pass from this earth....look at what was called "The Great War "
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and theaccompanying violence which marked that movement. The resulting wage increases served to expand the economic recovery efforts of the "guv'mt" by putting more coin in circulation.
The main element of the recovery was the vast reservoir of working men and women whose efforts, whose perserverance and ambition drove them to better their lives and that of their posterity.
Had it not been for that element of "sheer guts" to survive andprogress financially, the USA would just be aother third world country today.
This element of guts, ambition and perserverance permiated the US society until well after WWII andwell up to the late 50's when the "liberal" element of society began to make itself felt by those who did not posess those guts, ambition and perserverance that their forebearers had and began demanding that the "guv'mt" take care of them. The political element of society responded with "Welfare" programs further undermining society.
From: United States Virgin Islands, Christiansted.from the bar at the Comanche
wild Bill spoken like a true Reaganite bravo bravo encore
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Wow ! Mr. Texasbill, your like a living history book.
From: United States Virgin Islands, Christiansted.from the bar at the Comanche
I personally am ashamed of my indulged generation that grew up in the 60s.....Narcissism became the fashion...and the Hate America we are bad people attitude.....I am an immigrant and very proud of being an American
From: United States Virgin Islands, Christiansted.from the bar at the Comanche
gee mr wizard tell it again and make it real scary
From: Dominican Republic
On top of the "welfare" system, the unions began to demand "profit sharing" by employers, eroding their capital gain through profits acqired. When that was successful, the unions demanded that employers provide "healthcare" and an increase in "retirement" benefits, further displacing that basic element of ambition and perserverance of the wage earner. Then came theannual demand for wage increases throughout the industries. We have theresults of those efforts today in the form of "outsourcing" of manufacturing jobs andindustries to other countries where the cost of production is much less than in the US.
While there have been other responses within the framework of the US economy, the ones delineated have been the major causitive factors of theeconomic mess beseting the US today.
The US "guv'mt" has not responded favorably to the problems facing it. That is evident today, but those problems have been a long time in the making andwon't be cured overnight.
TB
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The answer does not lie in a "Socialist/Communist" economy nor in one of "pure Capitalism" since both have been proven to be detrimental to a stable ecomony regardless of rhetoric to the contrary.
A modified system incorporating the best elements of both would serve better so long as the "politicians" served with an altruistic attitude toward the ENTIRE population, investors, manufacturers, unions, workers and managers alike and done under a system of a Democratic Government whose sole function would be to regulate the aforementioned elements of social structure. It must be understood that the "profit motive" must be reined in, the demands of unions reasonable, and the cooperation of the population necessary in achieving those goals of every element in society.
While I am sure of the contrary thinking and beliefs of others, I sincerely feel that such a system is the ultimate in economic stability and "guv'mt".
TB
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TexasBill: I considered socialism important and i have seem in in practice. We both have our opinions and it seems that we both have unchangeable minds. i don't believe in giving money to people but i do believe in getting them educated so that they can make their own money. Life has too many problematic circumstance and i firmly believe that government must help in that department
I exhausted my grants when i went to school the first time. My MOS was 92Alpha. My point was that just for wanting to be educated, i had to join an institution that could have gotten me killed if i had been sent to the war.
Written by: , 22 Feb 2008 7:56 PM
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I think that the UN should allow the DR to take control of the whole island since haiti has never manage to get out of theyr problems and the DR is at least fightg not to stay back. Befor, haiti use to control the DR, now they need help from anybody whilling to help. I dont hate haitians they are our closest neightbors, but i have the same view hatians had back in the 1800's just that now the DR is the one with the knowledge to guide the island lets unite and make a stronger dominican republic or Hispaniola how ever you want to call it, lets make the strongest nation in the caribean.
From: United States Virgin Islands, Christiansted.from the bar at the Comanche
your lucky you dont have a name.... so we cant make fun of you...Mystery guest
Written by: Lautaro, 22 Feb 2008 8:54 PM
From: Brazil, near Copacabana
Not only that mr. gc, but he/she would have been crucified by the haiti-bashers of this forum faster than you could say "perejil".
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"Par s ley"
From: United States Virgin Islands, Christiansted.from the bar at the Comanche
this area is a little to sensitive for humorous postings in my humble opinion
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How is it that joining with haiti, Hispaniola will become the strongest nation in the caribbean? If anything it will be a step back.
Cuba holds the honor
Written by: sangwong , 24 Feb 2008 5:52 PM
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If you are looking for a "solution" to the Haitian evironmental crisis .. be it by an "invisible hand" or "divine intervention" .. that is taking place right now .. each year, hundreds if not thousands are leaving by land, sea and air .. that is mainly because the countries that can really help Haiti are burning their cash in Iraq and Afghanistan .. if Haiti had plenty of oil things might have been a little different .. don't you think? Or if Haiti was a country of European looking people? Or if Al Qaeda and the Taliban decided to set up a training camp on the outskirts of Port-au-Prince? It would be different, wouldn't it?
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Mr. CF,
I agree with you a 100%
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Follow up with the creation of a massive re-education program for young and old alike, begin a UN recovery plan by creating a "Works Progress Admiistration" with road and bridge building. a "Civilian Conservation Corps" to re-forest the country, re-build the agricultural industry toward self-sustaining, encourage and underwrite industrial expansion under supervised conditions, just to name a few of the areas currently lacking in the infrastructural regimes.
Thus far, this country hasn't been able to produce the necessary dedicated administrators of gevernment since it first gained independance. The only administrators that have been effective have been those of a dictatorial bent and who confiscated the public treasury for their own use.
TB
Only theUN has the international authority to solve all the issues that plague the people of Haiti and the sooner the UN realize that fact, the better off the Haitian people will be.
TB
That root cause being the inability of Haitians to understand any system of economics andpolitical science then put that understanding to work for the good of the population.
Yes, for sych to work as it should, it requires thecooperation of that population, who in the long run have been handicapped by that same lack of understanding and that is thefault of the system of education andthepoliticians at work.
There is a saying that "it's difficult to think about draining the swamp when you're up to your a$$ in aligator's" and that is true in the case of Haiti and it's people.
Mouth of all you want to, but in the final analysis, it is Haiti's fault that they are where they are today.
TB
The UN should fund the creation of new departments to deal with deforestation/economic woes/health/education, etc... That way the funds would be invested 100% on Haiti's side.
All taxes levied on the Haitian side should be set aside to be used and invested on the Haitian side only until the economy and given social structuring reaches on par to that of the DR's side. Think east-west Germany unification.
After that is accomplished, the DR and Haiti should be fused into one single economy/nation with dual internal identities as per cultures, like many other nations where two or more cultures/races have been able to flourish unabated...
Now, the magic potion here is the money... The DR can't take on a failed nation on the back of a still developing country with many goals yet to achieve itself...
Bidder.
That will do it...
That will do it...
1. Poverty
2.Deficiencies in infrastructure
3.High population growth
4. Low life expectancy
Under the Malthusian view, starvation is the only force that can keep population in check. while economics can help; uncontrolled population growth and the limits on countries production of food and resources would lead to chaos.(guess they didn't get the memo)
Stage 2: precondition for the takeoff. Agricultural production and rises to level where people trade excess production. (investment in transportation is key, to take crops to distant markets)
Stage 3: Takeoff. Farmers leave the farms and move to the cities to begin urbanization, but the economy remains focused on agriculture with a few manufacturing industries springing up. What does Haiti need to get to the 4 stage? massive amount of investment to create a stable manufacturing sector.
http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/wp/2007/wp0763.pdf
P.S ur idea of Haiti having an open economy and being at the mercy of companies who only take their profits in mind is preposterous. Imagine Enron or WorldCom in Haiti, i know to cruel to even imagine. What Haiti needs is for her sons abroad to return home, but even if they do; they are limited by what they can do, because “old guard” does not allow Haiti to have dual citizenship.
You are all wrong... Haiti needs a DICTATOR with a big army to instill fear in a country were the rule of law doesn't exist. From political science class i learned that what gives government power it's their unchallenge ability to inflict violence and thus make the populance respect the laws.
TB, I am open to how the UN would improve haiti's condition. Looking at the UN's & Co. track record in haiti it is clear as water that they are co-conspirators to haiti's demise. I am delighted to hear otherwise and hope to change my mind.
In the final analysis, the UN has been maligned for it's inability to carry out it's mandates in any number of areas. That isa known fact. Corruption within the organization and the failure of the administering officials ahas rendered many of its projects ineffective andwithout force.
What is needed is an "oversight organization" within the body politic which will have an impact on it's operation through the uncovering of those corrupt practices currently in effect andwhich will report to the General Assembly on a quarterly basis as to theeffectiveness of the various programs being pursued.
Careful selection of "program managers" will create an atmosphere of transparancy and progress.
Once that is in place, we will see that the UN can do what it is mandated to do.
TB
Mr. Jabao, what are the possible reasons not to institute dual citizenship in Haiti, because I have yet to think of one.
Many of today's politicians have studied Machiavelli's "Prince" in depth and apply many ofhis "principles" totoday's political arena very effectively. FDR is one that comesto mind with his "playing one against another" of his political adversaries and within hisown party.
Goebel also made use of many of those pronciples with his "propaganda machine" early on during the Nazi Party's rise to power.
There are many more examples of modern day application of Machiavelli's principles that are hidden in the archives of historical documents. The problem lies in recognizing them and combatting them as they show their ugly heads.
Those principlesare also used extensively in the"business world" as are those of the
Chinese General, Sun Tzi (check my spelling since I can't find my copy of thebook).
Both are commentaries on adversarial conflicts with advise as to how they are counteracted.
TB
That will do it...
A very certain fate of a true reality !!!!!!
"The Ends Will Justify This Mean"
Also, given the extreme conditions, pride only serves to be an obstacle to Haiti's improvement. Pride is good under certain circumstances, but in this case being proud would seal Haiti's fate. Allow yourselves to be helped, renew your minds and hearts, change your attitude and give something new a chance to flourish in your country.
Poverty breeding Poverty , no way out!
That "solution" of yours would only tend to increase the poverty of the island, mr. Perception, because, if you hadn't read mr. Frank's posts (by the way Frank, nice posts, keep up the good work), one of Haiti's problems (perhaps THE problem, in my opinion) is overpopulation, a thing that coupled with archaic cultivation techniques, are the reasons that explain the current ecological deterioration over there, which would not solve itself simply by removing a big chunk of its population from the equation, as you're so lightly "suggesting" (According to the british writer James Leyburn on his book "The Haitian Nation", the UN proposed the same "solution" in 1949, and it simply hasn't worked). They simply need to learn the lesson that dominicans have been learning the hard way, namely, that children simply do not come with the everyday bread down the armpits (venir con el pan debajo del brazo).
Just for openers, my socialist friend, WHERE will Haiti get it's funds with which to fund the social programs that are necessary?
Presently, there is an insufficiency of a tax base to even fund rebuilding of theinfrastructure, much less to provide for healthcare, education & schools, highways and bridges, a re-forestration program to alleviate the problem of mudslides and loss of arable lands with which thepopulation can feed itself.
Methinks you just have not thought the problem through with your statement. In addition, there are not enough rich people with enough money to do thefunding even if the government were to confiscate what they have.
You're like so many of the Socialist bent, in that you never think of the resourses needed to fund a Socialist Society and Economy.
The money just isn't there, nor are the resources for such a venture.
Go to School and LEARN about Economics and government. Otherwise, shut up and listen.
TB
70% Hispanola -> Dominicans about 9,000,000 population. GDP + 9%
Dominicans can accomodate 4,500,000 Haitians and everything breaks even.
Simple Business Math. !!!!
Like a "Very Happy Family".
Don't you think. ??
FranktheTank: "Political Science 1.7 introduction to international poltics" was the name of the course. Yes it is rather machiavellian but it is also the truth. i believe the questions were "where do states get their authority? how do they enforce it? if violence were not wholly within the hands of one government or prince or dictator than thats called a state of civil war such as that of Colombia whose authority is challenged by the rebels... Democracy has only become widespread after 1945
30% Hispanola -> Haiti about 4,500,000 population. GDP 4.5%
70% Hispanola -> Dominicans + immigrants about 12,500,000 population. GDP 4.5 %
Like a "Very Happy Family".
Don't you think. ??
Love you'll !!!!
My believes.
So don't mind what I just said,
Nice Day.
4.5 Million hatians will bring the entire economy down. unemployment would be at 80%... You're dumb to think this would actually be allowed to take place... even dumber to assume that haitian poverty can be eliminated by siimply immigration to DR. One million haitias have already prompted the govenrment to make institution such as CESFRONT... But if it ever happens dominican radicalswill use the opportunity to gain power and get rid of all the haitians in the country. I WOULD SUPPORT THEM
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You "DID", the day you immigrated. !!!!!
Say no to socialism.
Say yes to Democracy!
Only a democratic government can turn Haiti around. Haiti's democratic government is young. Give them a chance to reverse 200 years of turmoil. With the assistance of big brother (USA) Haiti will prosper.
Only a democratic government can turn Haiti around. Haiti's democratic government is young. Give them a chance to reverse 200 years of turmoil. With the assistance of big brother (USA) Haiti will prosper.
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Sir, If you really believe in what you wrotte, I swear, I will not comment anymore.
Sincerely,
Perception.
I go back a lot, and i defend my country from people like you... What about you... What are you doing in the USA if you're not in the same situation as i am or worse, i can easily make the same comment from you, which means you didn't think about it when you opened your big mouth. You disgust me with your no-sense comment. I can be a patriot anywhere and my presence in this site is to defend my country from people like you who seek to undermine our culture.
PS: You seem to answer every comment on the spot no matter what time of the day... get your lazy ass of the computer and get a job.
JOHNUSA: Communism is not bad... it is the totalitarian part that messes things up. Marx never advocated for a totalitarian state. If communism were possible under a democratic regime, it would be the perfect government. It would be something like the "Anti-federalist" papers.
The US could use some socialism, in its education and medical care. like those in europe.
As a healthy and educated individual you are an asset to the state, and it is their job to ensure that you have these two basic opportunities.
FYI, the USA is already a psuedo-Socialist State with all the "social programs" already in place.
There's Social Security with the Sopplimental aspects, medicare, Medicaide, Food Stamps, Unemployment Benefits, Free Lunch Programs, etc.,etc. This has been creeping up on us since the early 30's and began under FDR. What we have in the USA today is a "modified capitalistic economy" with the government funding a huge number of "social programs" designed to capture votes for the Democratic Party incumbents. SSA deductions are now at 7-1/2% with the employer contributing the same. This program started out at a1% deduct. While I'm not belittling these programs, they are indicatative of theattitude of the population demanding more and more of government at the behest of politicians bent on perpetuating their tenure in office with no regard to the consequences of their proposals and actions.
TB
Also while i don't like Michael Moore i must say that the man's got a point.... watch "Sicko"
Why compare the USA to the DR.... are you crazy... Why not be smart and compare a First World Country with another. US VS Japan, or US vs Western Europe... Thats more like it, have you followed the campaigns, have you listen to what the people want... They want health care and affordable education... once i graduate am going to have 30,000 worth of debt... I don't know about you but thats unfair considering that as a young and educated person i will be an asset to the state.
I have certainly become americanized, i notice when i went to DR, i have been living here most of my life, but still i have a great respect from the country i hailed from and its people. I served in the US army and hopefully after graduating college in 2009 i can enlist again as an officer, and continue my service.
"Service is it's own reward"
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Now your talking !!!
Explain to him, Military Occupation Spc.
When a population begins to depend on, or demand that the "guv'mt" provide everything for them, then that population is doomed to failure in life.
I am reminded of a TV report several years ago on the conditions existing in "Low cost housing" in the Chicago area. This housing was provided by the Feds in a project to provide such housing to low wage earners at a cost they could afford. The conditions existing after just two years of occupation were deplorable; bathrooms were trashed out, rooms were the same and the yardspaces were dumping grounds for garbage and refuse of all types. The occupants just didn't take even the minimum care of the properties. This environment existed all over the US.
Hospital Emergency rooms are innundated with people that take up valuable time and services of attending physicians who treat their "common colds" and other minor ailments that could be treated by simple "home remedies" available to society, but these people simply will not provide for themselves in any way. That's one reason for the high cost of "medical services". There aren't many physicians who will "turn away" a truly ill person simply because they haven't the financial wherewithal to pay for a service. Not all of the I grew up in South Texamedical profession are oriented solely to the profit motive.
People who "want their cake and eat it too" are really in the minority, but there is always that element that is suceptable to the entrities of those that say "let the guv'mt" do it".
The main element of the recovery was the vast reservoir of working men and women whose efforts, whose perserverance and ambition drove them to better their lives and that of their posterity.
Had it not been for that element of "sheer guts" to survive andprogress financially, the USA would just be aother third world country today.
This element of guts, ambition and perserverance permiated the US society until well after WWII andwell up to the late 50's when the "liberal" element of society began to make itself felt by those who did not posess those guts, ambition and perserverance that their forebearers had and began demanding that the "guv'mt" take care of them. The political element of society responded with "Welfare" programs further undermining society.
While there have been other responses within the framework of the US economy, the ones delineated have been the major causitive factors of theeconomic mess beseting the US today.
The US "guv'mt" has not responded favorably to the problems facing it. That is evident today, but those problems have been a long time in the making andwon't be cured overnight.
TB
A modified system incorporating the best elements of both would serve better so long as the "politicians" served with an altruistic attitude toward the ENTIRE population, investors, manufacturers, unions, workers and managers alike and done under a system of a Democratic Government whose sole function would be to regulate the aforementioned elements of social structure. It must be understood that the "profit motive" must be reined in, the demands of unions reasonable, and the cooperation of the population necessary in achieving those goals of every element in society.
While I am sure of the contrary thinking and beliefs of others, I sincerely feel that such a system is the ultimate in economic stability and "guv'mt".
TB
TexasBill: I considered socialism important and i have seem in in practice. We both have our opinions and it seems that we both have unchangeable minds. i don't believe in giving money to people but i do believe in getting them educated so that they can make their own money. Life has too many problematic circumstance and i firmly believe that government must help in that department
I exhausted my grants when i went to school the first time. My MOS was 92Alpha. My point was that just for wanting to be educated, i had to join an institution that could have gotten me killed if i had been sent to the war.
How is it that joining with haiti, Hispaniola will become the strongest nation in the caribbean? If anything it will be a step back.
Cuba holds the honor
I agree with you a 100%