Port-au-Prince.– After a week of violent riots against food prices, the Haitian Senate Saturday dismissed Prime Minister Jacques Edouard Alexis.
The move came as President Rene Preval announced he would reduce the price of rice by 15 percent to alleviate the social crisis, using international and private assistance to bring down the prices of the staple food product.
In an extraordinary session, the Senate charged that Alexis had failed to give enough attention to the brewing food-price crisis and the needs of the population.
Five people were killed and more than 40 were injured in more than a week of massive protests on the poverty-ridden Caribbean country that shares an island with Dominican Republic. Stores and businesses were plundered, and plush neighbourhoods ransacked.
Preval said international aid and private contributions would help the government reduce the price of rice from $51 to $43 a sack. Alexis has served as prime minister since May 2006, and from 1999-2001.
Preval defended Alexis, saying the high cost of food was not a problem of the government but part of a worldwide phenomenon. Angry rioters have also demanded that Preval step down.
Some of the violence was directed against the UN stabilization mission in Haiti, which has kept more than 1,000 peacekeepers there since 2004 to help the government to restore order and build democratic institutions.
To help alleviate Haiti's crisis, Brazil last week sent 14 tonnes of food.An estimated 70 percent of the country's 9 million inhabitants live in poverty.
From: United States
Here We go again with the "Haitian Circus"..............
From: United States
Will its good to hear that the Brazilians are helping in whatever way they can. Rene Preval better watch his back because he could be next.
From: United States
Finding scapegoats isn't the solution... They should reopen the market at the border to alliviate the suffering and hunger...
forget the "embargo" on birds from DR, cuz they are still finding their way into haiti and the damands only increase.
From: Dominican Republic
For the information of all, here is a press relese from the World Bank and the IMF on the subject.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/finance_meetingsIt would appear that they are as concerned as we are over the matter. Haiti isn't the only country affected by the rapid rise in food prices.
We sometimes need to discard our parochial attitudes and view the situation from a global standpoint.
TB
From: United States
"Five people were killed and more than 40 were injured"
This was enough for the current haitian senate to dismiss a sitting prime minister. How many people lost their lives in DR due through negligence in operating the Taveras dam? Several dozen by some estimates. Who in the Dominican government was reprimanded as result? No one to date and probably no one ever will. At least in this instance the haitian political class has shown more maturity and sensitivity towards its citizenry then that of her neighbor.
From: United States
As a matter of fact the editor of this site was fortunate enough to meet me personally:)
Mr, Pineda, please come in on this thread and drop a quick comment on my person so as to put to bed once and for all this hombrecitos' asinine theory on me being haitian and what not. I'd really appreciate it. Thanx in advance. JFGV
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By the way rubirosa if you're so dominican where is your outrage at the way the Tavera dam situation was handled?Dozens of your supposed countrymen died due to someone's negligence but instead of coming on here and demanding their heads you're busy bashing haitians instead and making enemies among fellow posters.As I stated on another thread, I am in all probability Dominican enough for the both of us and then some.The difference between you and I,Mr. Rubirosa,is that I don't equate being Dominican with bashing the Haitian people at every turn. My sense of national identity is firmly established and as such I don't need to feel better about my national origin be seeking a group to look down upon in order to puff up my own self worth. There is very little to envy in the way that Haiti's being governed but AT LEAST IN THIS INSTANCE haiti's political class entertained the concept of accountability(highlights for those who lack reading comprehenson). It's a concept sorely lacking in DR.
From: United States
Cibaeno75: You are not Dominican..........................................
Regarding the so called enemies that I made I don't care, My country is first before anything else and these so called "Enemy" are the same people that are plotting against us not "Dominicans"
Regardng the "Tavera Dam' You are tying to divert attention from the issue in question and this is not the case right now.
From: United States
"Cibaeno75: You are not Dominican"
Again, I invite you to say those words to my face in person..
juanfgerman@netscape.net
From: United States
Cibaeno75: now i see your lack of personality, Why You think that I need to downgrade myself and adresss any type of comunication to Your email.
Hopefully Your friends need it more than I do So you could have a direct line of communication
with them.
From: United States
"Cibaeno75: now i see your lack of personality, Why You think that I need to downgrade myself and adresss any type of comunication to Your email"
LOL..now I see your lack of courage..es facil escribir babosidades atraves del internet pero es otra cosa el dar la cara por lo que uno dice, algo que obviamente usted no es capaz de ser. You've already downgraded yourself with the nonsense you spew forth on here, you need no help from me.
From: United States
"Regarding the so called enemies that I made I don't care, My country is first before anything else and these so called "Enemy" are the same people that are plotting against us not "Dominicans""
LOL...eres un verdadero heroe de la patria..leonel should have a medal struck in your honor or re-introduce the paper peso and put your likeness on it..que pariguayo..
From: United States
Cibaeno75: Let's see who is the Pariguayo??
Who in a sane state of mind will post his/her email in these forums to debate something apart.
That's what You did it before, and only people with a "Weak" state of mind will do something like this.
Also Your identity is fake and You are portraying yourself with a non existent personality.
OK Pariguayo???
From: United States
...and the dominican national anthem sounds every time rubirosa posts a comment...lol..
From: United States, Smyrna, GA
THE MODERN, YET SILENT EXTERNAL DOMINATION OF HAITI:
“The Current Colonization From Abroad”
By Wilgeens Rosenberg
The external domination of Haiti's resources and political processes mostly by U.S. interests is so deep and pervasive that no autonomy remains in the Country. It has become way too common of the Haitian people to place blame on the Haitian Government which by all means and understandably have not been stern nor firm in engaging into more pro-active efforts to properly represent the impoverished Nation.
From: United States, Smyrna, GA
Within Haiti, it seems as though the people have ceased to be inspired and lack brevity to truly confront the Country's real problems as they have done or as it had happened before when Haiti was once ruled by the fierceness of the Duvalierist regime when artists, writers, philosophers and local politicians used to engage in motivated movements to advocate for change and were willing to pay the price for Country. To think back then it was way less democratically feasible to may have happened or taken place; but nonetheless those movements did prevail and brought an end to the dictatorship ruling of the Country.
From: United States, Smyrna, GA
Haiti now has no arms ban over it which has long been lifted. Now, why the preparation and training for a new Haitian Armed Forces is not underway is beyond anyone's guess. The regular Haitian Armed Forces (FAdH) - Army, Navy, and Air Force - have been demobilized but still exist on paper unless they are constitutionally abolished. Thus, even if such effort to reinstate the Haitian Army were to or would have been started by having the UN foreign troops that are present in the Country right now to assist Haiti in attending to such goal, this would have brought so much prospect of change into the Country. However and unsurprisingly enough, the Haitian Government has expressed no intent concerning that possibility.
From: United States, Smyrna, GA
Haiti's need to inspire ideals of nationhood, solidarity and civic duty; to include the social, economical as well as the political improvement to uplift Haiti's redemptive mission in the world from constant chronic instability and vulnerability to outside or foreign interventions relies on the Country's military integrity in defense of respect and total national sovereignty. Simply because, if anything, these words should still mean something to Haiti and its people: "En me renversant, on a abattu que le trunc de l'arbre de la liberte des Noirs; il repousesra par les racines parce qu'elles sont profondes et nombreuses" - Toussaint Louverture.
From: United States, Smyrna, GA
Perhaps certain accords were made between the U.S and the Dominican Republic fearing that an armed and yet an economically challenged Haiti would be crucially very threatening toward their Sovereignty which explains why the sudden support in arms by the United States to the Dominican Republic in bolstering their military capability.
From: United States, Smyrna, GA
To conclude, so as history repeats itself in recapturing or seeing newly modern invasions or occupations that exploit with systematically corrupt and handicap policies that keep defeating other nations' paths to self sufficiency and aim to incapacitate furthermore oppressed people; then so shall the innate right of the people of Haiti to become united in the name of nation as a nation in reliving Haiti's true meaning to the National devise of “L'Union Fait La Force.”
From: United States, Smyrna, GA
People,
Here is another place to see more of Dominican and Haitian debates:
http://www.prevalhaiti.com-- In case any of you wish to read and comment on my blogs about Haiti, the Dominican Republic and a better Hispanola; feel free to do so at:
http://www.hispanolanoYoSoy.skyrock.com-- For any direct sharing of information on ways to help improve the current relations between the two nations of the Dominican and Haitian Repubic email me at:
Wilgeens.Rosenberg@gmail.com
H.A.J - Hispanolanos Ahora Juntos: It is a movement and revolution for peace!
From: United States
To: Hispanolanos,
There is an ongoing research by the Haitian government right now as if they should bring back the Haitian Army. Some politicians, such as Charlito Baker are in favor of this and some are not. I think for the military to be effective you must have over 100 thousand members. However, finding a nation that will sale them arms is another issue.
From: United States
Dreams, Sweet dreams...................................Army and revolution in a country without order
From: United States
Damn, this pesky little fly won't leave me alone. I'm going to have to bring out the "raid" on his ass.
From: United States
Jemesouviens: better bring reality to Your live and wake up from the "non sense thinking"....
You can't even manage simple political stuff and You asking for a "dumb" military forces to attack who, "Your own people"
"Get a logical thinking and then We talk about it"
Just to give You a simple example, Your people always bring animosity to this Website and blogs instead of creating Your own "SPACE"
Haiti for Haitians and Dominican Republic for Dominicans..........................SIMPLE
From: United States
The only one bringing animosity here is your dumbass. You cant comment on one article without spewing your racist diatribes against Haitians. You infatuation with the Haitian people goes way past politics papi. What makes it worse is that your a grown adult who is living in the United States. America is a land where all people of all race and nationality can live in harmony but instead we have ****** like you who are clearly racist living off the land and being breast feed by uncle Sam. You can push anyone on these articles around, but with God as my witness you not pushing me. I dont know if you take me as those little Haitians living in Cite Soliel chico, but I'm not, so never underestimate me. Since I've been here you not said one thing intelligent. All I here is whining and moaning about Haitians. They should depart your platano ass back to the slums of Santo Domingo where you come from and give your spot in this country to a Puerto Rican.
From: United States
Jemesouviens: Your "Cheap talk" is annoying and unrealistic, Your forgot about it that Cubans, Puerto Ricans and Dominicans are like cousins, on the other side none of us have any type of relations with Haitians.
From: United States
LoL. Like cousins? Dont make me laugh. Last time I checked, there were the Venezuelans and Cubans in Haiti working and helping the people. The Brazilians have provided Haiti with economic aid for years. The only thing your country has in common with some of the Latin nation is that you speak the same language. On a personal note, you are the most pathetic human being. You are what we call in French a "Cretin". Someone who opens his mouth and nothing but feces come out, but when a person challenges you, your tail goes between your legs. All of those things you write you would never say it to a Haitian in his face. I sure hope your childrens are not racist like you. Maybe they need to be raised by Haitians if they are. So tough in front of a computer huh. Like I said before, go back to the barrio in santo Domingo, your do better there. You worthless piece of trash, I'm done with you. Dont ever comment to me again.
From: United States
Even though the term "platano" has been embraced by some Dominicans I still recall a time when it only had derisive connotations and as such I think that posters should refrain from using it, particularly if they're non-dominican. Some of us, myself included, find the word offensive.
From: United States
My apology, Cibeano but what I find more offensive is how Rubi always defames, denounces, and degrade anything Haitian and non of the liberal Dominicans say much to denounce him. Rubi is the root of racism, hate, prejudice, and nationalistic pride here, and this I find much more offensive.
From: United States
I understand but always bear in mind that you are arguing against an individual with their own personal beliefs, not against an entire people.
From: United States, Smyrna, GA
I am sorry if i have to keep mention that I am both Dominican and Haitian, but I only say this to rebuke Rubirosa's so called "Cousin with Cuba and Venezuela" statement. The Dominicans only like to flatter those they think can give them a hand out. and call them cousins base on profitable superficial and materialistic reasons only. If I recall, it was not until Hugo Chavez decided to give oil to most of the Latin Countries including Haiti that the Dominicans started to embrace him as the one prominent Latin Leader who does not bow to U.S. pressures as most other Latin-American Countries should learn from him instead of allowing foreign forces incapacitate their national sovereignty by externally dominate them by having them being so dependent.
From: United States, Smyrna, GA
The Dominicans are flattering Puerto Ricans who themselves discriminate against them when they go to Puerto Rico. For those of you who have not been to PR will not know what I am talking about, but for those of you who have like I have you will know how bad Dominicans are being treated in PR, and Canada by other true Latin-Americans who see DR as true hypocrites. I say this with no direct offense to DR. One of the reasons why some of those other latin countries feel that way is because they know that DR will do anything much like a spanish conquerer would to get ahead with no humanity and self respect. Go to Dr and see how Dominicans treat white tourists versus how they treat black tourists. Two sets of different treatments.
From: United States, Smyrna, GA
It is something that has become psychologically embedded in Dominicans how they suck up to the white skin color to furthermore degrade their African ancestry which is why they tend to adopt and glorify the ways of brutal Euro Spania. You know what Rubi, keep your Spain, Dominican pride all you want since you have a right to do so and to continue to suck up to somebody because their skin complexions seem similar to what yours is like in the (Oye Mi Canto) song video... Much like some (Not all) of the racist Latin Communities claim Brazilian to be latinos under the same premises they have denied Haitians to be Afro-Latinos which are parallel contradictions. Hell latinos have been willing to try to claim Cape Verde Africans latinos if Cape Verde did not stand firm and reject their invitations , even though Cape Verde can be considered latinos if the same premises exist for Brazil and indeed yes Haiti.
From: United States
"For those of you who have not been to PR will not know what I am talking about, but for those of you who have like I have you will know how bad Dominicans are being treated in PR"
I've been to Puerto Rico many times and I've been treated nothing but well, extremely well at that, and I've been to damn near every corner of PR. The above stament is not entirely true.
From: United States, Smyrna, GA
Let us give credit to Brazil, Venezuela and Columbia who have accepted their African ancestry more so than any Portuguese or Spanish influences even when they are the ones with way less African traits and are more true indigenous natives, yet embrace their latin one just as well and much because they comprehend and respect the African connection that was made long ago to their culture. Which is why in Brazil they do not call a black brazilians negro/negra, but much rather "Moreno/Morena which is where the word originated and how they respect and glorify the Morenos/Morenas then other place like DR, PR start using it just so they can prove to the world that they are not racist or discriminate such a paradigm contradiction.
From: United States, Smyrna, GA
DR, given the fact thatthey share an Island with Haiti are the only ones who have not done much to reconcile with their inner Africanism as though that is the part they wish they never were. They would throw it away today any day if they could, they have tried
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4Lwhf0ZuAE Not to say Haiti did not possibly ruled DR with an Iron fist when they ruled the whole Island; however, Haiti's ruling was never as barbaric and their occupying Dr was to deter any possible European invasion to come and enslave the Island period. Toussaint played the Europeans at their own hypocrisy and games
From: United States, Smyrna, GA
Oh, not entirely true huh...? So somewhat, maybe, possibly, perhaps, partially, to some extent huh; thus this is when the words nonetheless and nevertheless are quite applicable huh; am I right? That is the thing, we can hide the atrocity and still sucking up to PR because in part and thanks to U.S. America they are economically stable because they are what... oh yeah a territory one group of which like to have their cakes and eat it, too. Not knowing where to truly stand. PR will never be independent and will never have a sense of original identity because they sell themselves already no matter how much and over zealously they pretend to show pride. So why DR and Haiti can not feel lucky and appreciative of what we both have in common or not in common that we have something that PR and other US or great Britain territories will never have. Which is we are both free and being looked at by White people and European descents foreigners as a threat thus dividing us is their hope.
From: United States
"Oh, not entirely true huh...? "
I said not entirely true because I think what's alleged to be anti-dominican sentiment in puerto rico i think is actually anti-black. I'm very light and many puerto ricans seemed amused when I told them I was Dominican (if they hadn't figured it out by my accent). Many expressed surprise(many ignorantly assume that all dominicans are black or dark-skinned) but never have I heard a derrogatory remark about Dominicans in PR in my presence. Again I was always been treated well in PR. I've spoken to many black puerto ricans and they've related stories to me that are not unlike some of those I've heard from dark-skinned Dominicans living there, reinforcing my notion that puerto ricans are generally more racist then xenophobic.
From: United States, Smyrna, GA
Germany have later came to accept and recognized that they have committed the unthinkably genocide holocaust towards the jews, my father's descendants and have long apologize for it and paid great retribution and reparation to the now State of Israel and Poland. Germany is now the leading partners in promoting and advocating for Human Rights that the major Red Cross Headquarters are in Europe, principally Germany. Dominicans shoud know since most of the Human Rights Activist that are in DR today are from Europe and are generally Germans. So when has Spain, France and Portugal ever apologized for their atrocities towards the black race, much less, when has DR ever stepped forward to account for the genocide campaign of El Hefe Rafel Trujillo against the Haitian claiming their black blood and skin was a disease to the Dominican white prosperous intent he had for DR why he had even killed most of the Mereno Dominicans?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4Lwhf0ZuAEFrom: United States, Smyrna, GA
Oh u said not entirely true because u think what's alleged to be anti-dominican sentiment in PR u think is actually anti-black huh... I wish Haitians can say or have that very same as excuses hidden behind the fact of Dominican racism and discrimination being committed towards them in DR.
Anti-Black, anti-Dominicans, so darn regardless. Point is, It goes to show and prove that for the very same basic reasons why Dominicans (Not all, mostly Rubirosa lol) are prejudice towards Haitians are the very same reasons another may be towards them. Gee, why would one's so called "cousins" be discriminative towards another "cousin"? Indeed PR is the only people to have much of any true Taino blood in them simply because most of the survived escaped Tainos had flown and took refuge there. As far s for Dominicans claiming much of any Taino blood has over exageratingly blown out of proportion and is quite a romanticized idealism to still further distant themselves from their African Ancestry.
From: United States
"Indeed PR are the only people to have much of any true Taino blood in them simply because most of the survived escaped Tainos had flown and took refuge there. "
You have no idea what genetics have been uncovering in the Americas lately, do you?Even Argentina, long conidered a "white country",turned up indigenous gentic markers for more than half her population. Puerto Rico over 60%. It's not going to be much different for DR. You see, most of the indigenous blood in latin nations has been preserved through the female line for obvious reasons. The dark hue of the Dominican population can be attributed to Haitian male soldiers more then any other factor.Hence,the matrilineal line of DNA in DR will reveal what you have stated as false in time. You'll see and then you'll remember my post when DNA mapping is completed by the human genome program. In the mean time I refer you to the work of Martinez Cruzado on the subject. You might find some online articles by him on the subject.
From: United States, Smyrna, GA
Oh, you've spoken to many black puerto ricans and they've related stories to you that are not unlike some of those you've heard from dark-skinned Dominicans living there, reinforcing my notion that puerto ricans are generally more racist then xenophobic huh.
Look, sucking up or flattering any white Europeans, the very Spain Dominicans worship so much and DR can slide their tongues up their "you know what" t all they want. Regardless if you are Puerto Ricans, Cubans, Dominican, Haitians or from anywhere where the African blood runs such as even Latin-America and Caribbean, a white man looks at you all, us all and sees only a colored men. So who are you Dominicans fooling?
From: United States
What's your problem hispanolano? Who's flattering any europeans or worshipping spain or puerto rico for that matter? You obviously didn't come here for open dialogue since you seem to have all the answers already.If you've come on this site to spill verbal diatribes against Dominicans then go somehwere else.
From: United States, Smyrna, GA
I am not denying the new findings or old of genetic science. They can find that the entire world is African or white for all or most of us care. It is of no justified reasons to hide behind the pretext and falsehood of race division that a white man created for you to talk down, discriminate or belittled another man of color much less to say somebody as close to us Dominicans s Haiti. So what are Dominicans more close to of being, you mean to tell me Spain?
From: United States, Smyrna, GA
Go ahead Dominicans, be Spain, but accept the traits of barbarisms as well that comes along with wanting to be Spain. Go ahead and confuse yourself or deny that you are worshiping a so called Euro-Spain who have annihilated almost an entire race which is the Taino race that you are also claiming to be today and took much pride of being than your African roots.
From: United States, Smyrna, GA
Go ahead and capitalize on Haiti's misfortune today to say that they have been damned, but see that Spain itself is the poorest in the all well known Europe today and I suppose they too have been damned as well to serve as solace and consolation to all men of color who have been terrorized by those Europeans bastards for gold and their own imperialism gain, oh you bunch of people.
Call or say Haiti lack literacy all you wan, but there is a major difference with being a spineless ****** over simply not have a high rate of literacy in a Country. You great grandparents and mine may have not finish school many could say, but does that mean they were less educated when it came to basic human knowledge to function in their society?
From: United States
"So what are Dominicans more close to of being, you mean to tell me Spain? "
I'm not saying we're being close to anything. You're the one stating such things. I wish to simply acknowledge that which is fact.
From: United States
" you imbecile bunch of people"
see, I don't care for that. Your insulting my people. If you followed my posts on here you would see that I'm very open minded and have nothing at all against the haitian people (indeed,I've grown to RESPECT some of the haitian posters on here). However, a jerk like you I have a problem with. I doubt very much you would call my people imbeciles to a Dominican's face. You and some of the anti-haitian posters on here are two sides to the same coin, namely cowards who come on here to spew forth diatribes from the safety of their laptops. I followed some of your initial posts with interest but you have now revealed your true colors. Keep on writing your BS poems that only you seem to show interest in and whatever else that you do but lay off my people, clown.
From: United States, Smyrna, GA
What's your problem hispanolano?
My problem is not that I came on here on this site to spill verbal diatribes against Dominicans. I am both part Dominican, Haitian and Jewish you fool. My problem is how most of you on here Dominicans have sat back and not report a guy like Rubirosa for his incendiary offensive remarks that are obviously divisive, racist and condescending down to core and nature of what is extremist anti-semitism sentiments and beliefs. I went even further to say or show that if Dominicans wants to claim to be so righteous into believing they are better humans than Haitians, why I do not see a epidemic chain reaction of Dominican Human Right activists advocating for the basic human rights owed to Haitians living in DR, much less try to even say assist Haiti in its crisis that it is now facing.
From: United States
" I am both part Dominican, Haitian and Jewish you fool."
To me you're all clown.
From: United States, Smyrna, GA
Which do you think would prove more humane and righteous to future generations of Dominicans and Haitians or much to the world that you have humanity; praising glory to Spain and racial divisiveness, or help your neighbor as biblically advised by Jesus? Look at Venezuela who does not even share the same Island with Haiti has been helping the Country in doing so much more than they should or expected of them as well as they have always recognize Haiti more as the one to have helped them in their struggles to ever become free of Euro-Spana enslavements. I am not religious, but it baffles me when I hear Dominicans claim to be very good devout Christians. Where is the Christianity in that, in down talking, exploiting your neighbor's misfortunes and conditions to prove or distant yourself from being connected to them more so than can be imagined No matter what, both nations drink water from the very same Riviere De L'Artibonite/ Rio Del Artibonito.
From: United States, Smyrna, GA
I would rather much be to you an all-entertaining Clown and spread the words of empowering reconciliation and peace for a prosperous self-sufficient HISPANIOLA than to be part of the ones showing the differences that divides and deny themselves, us, as descendants of Africa. You see and much less understand the difference between me and you dear friend?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-4Lwhf0ZuAE From: United States, Smyrna, GA
My insulting my people which of whom I am as well. So we both agree that insulting one another does not bring us any closer to peace. In fact you found my measly " you *** bunch of people" quite offensive nonetheless because indeed it may be viewed to be derogatory to many. Now, imagine how a Haitian would feel reading all kinds of racist, condescending remakes made by many Dominicans who come on here to talk down to Haitians and their conditions. I have followed your posts and I know you can be a better individual to mediate this room accordingly. So I am the all clown fool when yet you have not included Rubirosa in that realm of being the baffoon that he is for his often posted ignorance. Ahh I see the bias already. Just as state Jemesouviens as he/she stated how doubtful any Dominicans would say what they say to Haitians faces.
From: United States, Smyrna, GA
Amigo,
By the way, I go to Sosua and Puerto Plata often which is where my mother and grandmother are born and from my father's families own businesses in DR as well as Haiti which thankfully is helping the economy over there greatly believe it or not. Go ask around for the ROSENBERG Also, yes, I do talk like that the way I do to those Dominicans who are racists towards Haitians. So how are you open minded when you will not address Rubirosa's comments? Ha hahhh, I own a PC lol, not a laptop to pardon your ignorance lol. What you call your people are my people as well and who most of our people offends are still my people. I doubt you can say the same. What I can say is that you I have also accepted some of your posts and references with interest and studied them without bias and partial prejudice which is why I told you several times where my blend of true color stands. You have got to do a way better job at coming down on me while ignoring Rubirosa is all. Entiende?
From: United States, Smyrna, GA
All disgruntled disputes asides, let me ask you some questions Cibaeno. If you as a Dominican take that $25 ferry boat ride that often leaves Punta Cana to PR and have a baby in PR, would your baby be denied a Puerto Rican US birth certificate? No. And when a Puerto Rican comes to DR and have a baby, does his or her baby gets denied a Dominican Birth certificate? Of course not.
From: United States, Smyrna, GA
So, why it is justified when a Haitian supposedly "In transition" (as Dominicans like to put it). A Haitian who has for many years resided in DR have a baby in DR, why is that baby then get denied Dominican birth rights? Now DR, due to pressure wants to introduce a Pink kind of certificate which in turns would still be discriminatory to Haitians because there is not a place in DR a Haitian would show that pink document to that will not automatically know that this baby is descendant of Haitians even when that baby was born in DR after years of his or her parents have lived in DR. One of the other ways to still be able to identifyingly be prejudice towards Haitians no matter what. Has Haiti ever denied a Dominican who has a baby in Haiti the Haitian birth certificates? No. So show me my true color again; or better yet, show me yours Cibaeno.
From: United States, Smyrna, GA
At least Haitians can bare the strength to come or go to Dominican blogs and read the condescending statements being posted by many racista Dominicans (Not all). But how often than most Haitians can Dominicans claim they have done the same? Maybe most Dominicans will say that I am more Haitian than I am Dominican, or maybe it is because without denial I am more humane and comprehensible to accept my African ancestry as a person of color than most Dominicans ever would. If you go to this website
http://www.PrevalHaiti.com many will see that I am more stern and firm to Haitians in empowering and encouraging them to become self-sufficient and as much as I have advocate greatly reconciliation and peace between both nations. You will find my posts under HispanolanoYoSoy or Wilgeens Rosenberg. Digame, mas de los Espana glorificar dias y cuentos que nos Dominicanos admirar tanto. Quiero saber the contradiction why do Dominican singers like Zacharia sings tanto about las Morenitas Buenas?
From: United States
" So I am the all clown fool when yet you have not included Rubirosa in that realm of being the baffoon"
If you indeed have been following posts as you say you would've noticed that there is no love lost between rubirosa and I. I can't stand most of the stuff the guy posts and I've banged heads with him on more than one occasion. But rubirosa has every right to comment on Dominican issues, he is a dominican after all. No one is here to monitor the guy. That's the job of the editors on here. Complain to them.
From: United States, Smyrna, GA
Well so do I, that I happen to have every right to comment on Dominican and Haitian issues, I am both Dominican and Haitian after all. So who are those to monitor me if you claim that is the job of the editors on here. Granted and as I agree, you as well or anybody should complain to them. Still, you yet to answer my questions on the birth Certificate issue posted above.
Si como un Dominicano que tomar el $25 viaje en barco (ferry) que a menudo deja a Punta Cana a PR y tener un bebé en PR, que a su bebé se le niega un Puertorriqueno Etados Unidos certificado de nacimiento? No. Y cuando un Puertorriqueno viene a DR y tener un bebé, su bebé se le niega un certificado de nacimiento Dominicano? Definitivamente no.
From: United States, Smyrna, GA
So once again, why it is justified when a Haitian supposedly "In transition" (as Dominicans like to put it) has for many years resided and lived and have a baby in DR, why is that baby then get denied Dominican birth rights? Now DR, due to pressure wants to introduce a Pink kind of certificate which in turns would still be discriminatory to Haitians because there is not a place in DR a Haitian would show that pink document to that will not automatically know that this baby is descendant of Haitians even when that baby was born in DR for them not to inhumanely discriminate against that baby and look at the baby differently even if after years that his or her parents have lived in DR. One of the other ways to still be able to identifyingly be prejudice towards Haitians no matter what. Has Haiti ever denied a Dominican who has a baby in Haiti the Haitian birth certificates? No. So, where the advocacy groups on that issue in DR and has this issue been fixed? Surely, not.
From: United States, Smyrna, GA
McCain Argues for Troop Withdrawal from Haiti since there are no Oil there and it is like Africa a land belong to blacks or people of color.
Now look at Iraq, Lots of Oil and he is pushing for the mission in Iraq to go ahead full steam. As America's war in Iraq enters its sixth year, Sen. John McCain is hoping that his long effort to send thousands more U.S. troops -- a "surge" that has helped lower casualties -- will propel him into the White House. But McCain's record on Iraq is decidedly mixed... many of his other predictions and prescriptions turned out wrong. McCain Argues for Troop Withdrawal from Haiti
From: United States, Smyrna, GA
The regions and territories: Puerto Rico, described by Americans to be a Hispanic, Afro-Caribbean and Latin-American that thankfully to U. S meddling in Puerto Rico, a self-governing commonwealth of the US. The subtropical Caribbean territory is urbanised, industrialised and relatively prosperous. The US invaded and occupied Puerto Rico during the Spanish-American War of 1898, ending centuries of rule from Spain. The US saw the island as a strategic asset and ran it as a colonial protectorate. Spanish-built fortifications, Old San Juan
Spanish-built defences survey the ocean at Old San Juan. Nevertheless, under American administration Puerto Rico saw growth and development. But nationalist sentiment sometimes spilled over into violence, notably in the 1930s and 1940s.
From: United States, Smyrna, GA
Yes indeed many will recall that Nationalists staged an armed attack in the US Congress there in 1954. A series of bombings and killings in the 1970s and 1980s were blamed on a pro-independence group, the Macheteros, or Cane Cutters.
The group's fugitive leader was killed by federal agents in 2005. Puerto Rican voters, who elect a governor for the island, have tended to favour parties that support the union with the US. Puerto Ricans do not pay US income tax, and the island receives federal funds. There is an established cycle of migration between Puerto Rico and the US; hundreds of thousands of Puerto Ricans have lived and worked in New York and other cities without the need of going through a citizenship process.
From: United States, Smyrna, GA
The once substantial US military presence has been scaled down with the closures of a major naval base and a bombing range. Rancour over the latter grew after a civilian employee was killed by a stray bomb. Explorer Christopher Columbus claimed Puerto Rico for Spain in 1493, heralding an influx of Spanish settlers. The newcomers, and the diseases they brought with them, decimated the territory's Taino indian population. The main settlement, San Juan, became an important Spanish outpost. It states that even in Puerto Rico that Slaves were brought to the island in the 16th and 17th centuries. Puerto Rico's landscape is varied, and includes rainforests in the north-east. The territory is prone to hurricanes. Tourism is an important money-earner; the island receives up to two million visitors each year and is a port-of-call for cruise liners.
From: United States, Smyrna, GA
here is the video people for those who do not believe that the u.s and foreign engagements are not imposing on haiti and other colored nations from the possibility to become self-sufficient
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=palbo-ilaluFrom: United States, Smyrna, GA
Recognition Denied: The Betrayal at Panama.
http://www.haiti-usa.org/index.phpGo Under The Content of: An Historical Look at Haiti-U.S. Relationships.
However one may read all the other posts if so wishes to.
From: United States
Hispanoliano: "A frustrated Haitian without personality or identity"
Why We need to be "Haiti's helper????
Enough is enough.................
Your "weak" comments are mostly need it on HAITI, no on DOMINICAN REPUBLIC space..
From: United States, Smyrna, GA
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Finding scapegoats isn't the solution... They should reopen the market at the border to alliviate the suffering and hunger...
forget the "embargo" on birds from DR, cuz they are still finding their way into haiti and the damands only increase.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/finance_meetings
It would appear that they are as concerned as we are over the matter. Haiti isn't the only country affected by the rapid rise in food prices.
We sometimes need to discard our parochial attitudes and view the situation from a global standpoint.
TB
This was enough for the current haitian senate to dismiss a sitting prime minister. How many people lost their lives in DR due through negligence in operating the Taveras dam? Several dozen by some estimates. Who in the Dominican government was reprimanded as result? No one to date and probably no one ever will. At least in this instance the haitian political class has shown more maturity and sensitivity towards its citizenry then that of her neighbor.
Mr, Pineda, please come in on this thread and drop a quick comment on my person so as to put to bed once and for all this hombrecitos' asinine theory on me being haitian and what not. I'd really appreciate it. Thanx in advance. JFGV
Regarding the so called enemies that I made I don't care, My country is first before anything else and these so called "Enemy" are the same people that are plotting against us not "Dominicans"
Regardng the "Tavera Dam' You are tying to divert attention from the issue in question and this is not the case right now.
Again, I invite you to say those words to my face in person..
juanfgerman@netscape.net
Hopefully Your friends need it more than I do So you could have a direct line of communication
with them.
LOL..now I see your lack of courage..es facil escribir babosidades atraves del internet pero es otra cosa el dar la cara por lo que uno dice, algo que obviamente usted no es capaz de ser. You've already downgraded yourself with the nonsense you spew forth on here, you need no help from me.
LOL...eres un verdadero heroe de la patria..leonel should have a medal struck in your honor or re-introduce the paper peso and put your likeness on it..que pariguayo..
Who in a sane state of mind will post his/her email in these forums to debate something apart.
That's what You did it before, and only people with a "Weak" state of mind will do something like this.
Also Your identity is fake and You are portraying yourself with a non existent personality.
OK Pariguayo???
“The Current Colonization From Abroad”
By Wilgeens Rosenberg
The external domination of Haiti's resources and political processes mostly by U.S. interests is so deep and pervasive that no autonomy remains in the Country. It has become way too common of the Haitian people to place blame on the Haitian Government which by all means and understandably have not been stern nor firm in engaging into more pro-active efforts to properly represent the impoverished Nation.
Within Haiti, it seems as though the people have ceased to be inspired and lack brevity to truly confront the Country's real problems as they have done or as it had happened before when Haiti was once ruled by the fierceness of the Duvalierist regime when artists, writers, philosophers and local politicians used to engage in motivated movements to advocate for change and were willing to pay the price for Country. To think back then it was way less democratically feasible to may have happened or taken place; but nonetheless those movements did prevail and brought an end to the dictatorship ruling of the Country.
Haiti now has no arms ban over it which has long been lifted. Now, why the preparation and training for a new Haitian Armed Forces is not underway is beyond anyone's guess. The regular Haitian Armed Forces (FAdH) - Army, Navy, and Air Force - have been demobilized but still exist on paper unless they are constitutionally abolished. Thus, even if such effort to reinstate the Haitian Army were to or would have been started by having the UN foreign troops that are present in the Country right now to assist Haiti in attending to such goal, this would have brought so much prospect of change into the Country. However and unsurprisingly enough, the Haitian Government has expressed no intent concerning that possibility.
Haiti's need to inspire ideals of nationhood, solidarity and civic duty; to include the social, economical as well as the political improvement to uplift Haiti's redemptive mission in the world from constant chronic instability and vulnerability to outside or foreign interventions relies on the Country's military integrity in defense of respect and total national sovereignty. Simply because, if anything, these words should still mean something to Haiti and its people: "En me renversant, on a abattu que le trunc de l'arbre de la liberte des Noirs; il repousesra par les racines parce qu'elles sont profondes et nombreuses" - Toussaint Louverture.
Perhaps certain accords were made between the U.S and the Dominican Republic fearing that an armed and yet an economically challenged Haiti would be crucially very threatening toward their Sovereignty which explains why the sudden support in arms by the United States to the Dominican Republic in bolstering their military capability.
To conclude, so as history repeats itself in recapturing or seeing newly modern invasions or occupations that exploit with systematically corrupt and handicap policies that keep defeating other nations' paths to self sufficiency and aim to incapacitate furthermore oppressed people; then so shall the innate right of the people of Haiti to become united in the name of nation as a nation in reliving Haiti's true meaning to the National devise of “L'Union Fait La Force.”
Here is another place to see more of Dominican and Haitian debates:
http://www.prevalhaiti.com
-- In case any of you wish to read and comment on my blogs about Haiti, the Dominican Republic and a better Hispanola; feel free to do so at:
http://www.hispanolanoYoSoy.skyrock.com
-- For any direct sharing of information on ways to help improve the current relations between the two nations of the Dominican and Haitian Repubic email me at:
Wilgeens.Rosenberg@gmail.com
H.A.J - Hispanolanos Ahora Juntos: It is a movement and revolution for peace!
There is an ongoing research by the Haitian government right now as if they should bring back the Haitian Army. Some politicians, such as Charlito Baker are in favor of this and some are not. I think for the military to be effective you must have over 100 thousand members. However, finding a nation that will sale them arms is another issue.
You can't even manage simple political stuff and You asking for a "dumb" military forces to attack who, "Your own people"
"Get a logical thinking and then We talk about it"
Just to give You a simple example, Your people always bring animosity to this Website and blogs instead of creating Your own "SPACE"
Haiti for Haitians and Dominican Republic for Dominicans..........................SIMPLE
I've been to Puerto Rico many times and I've been treated nothing but well, extremely well at that, and I've been to damn near every corner of PR. The above stament is not entirely true.
I said not entirely true because I think what's alleged to be anti-dominican sentiment in puerto rico i think is actually anti-black. I'm very light and many puerto ricans seemed amused when I told them I was Dominican (if they hadn't figured it out by my accent). Many expressed surprise(many ignorantly assume that all dominicans are black or dark-skinned) but never have I heard a derrogatory remark about Dominicans in PR in my presence. Again I was always been treated well in PR. I've spoken to many black puerto ricans and they've related stories to me that are not unlike some of those I've heard from dark-skinned Dominicans living there, reinforcing my notion that puerto ricans are generally more racist then xenophobic.
Anti-Black, anti-Dominicans, so darn regardless. Point is, It goes to show and prove that for the very same basic reasons why Dominicans (Not all, mostly Rubirosa lol) are prejudice towards Haitians are the very same reasons another may be towards them. Gee, why would one's so called "cousins" be discriminative towards another "cousin"? Indeed PR is the only people to have much of any true Taino blood in them simply because most of the survived escaped Tainos had flown and took refuge there. As far s for Dominicans claiming much of any Taino blood has over exageratingly blown out of proportion and is quite a romanticized idealism to still further distant themselves from their African Ancestry.
You have no idea what genetics have been uncovering in the Americas lately, do you?Even Argentina, long conidered a "white country",turned up indigenous gentic markers for more than half her population. Puerto Rico over 60%. It's not going to be much different for DR. You see, most of the indigenous blood in latin nations has been preserved through the female line for obvious reasons. The dark hue of the Dominican population can be attributed to Haitian male soldiers more then any other factor.Hence,the matrilineal line of DNA in DR will reveal what you have stated as false in time. You'll see and then you'll remember my post when DNA mapping is completed by the human genome program. In the mean time I refer you to the work of Martinez Cruzado on the subject. You might find some online articles by him on the subject.
Look, sucking up or flattering any white Europeans, the very Spain Dominicans worship so much and DR can slide their tongues up their "you know what" t all they want. Regardless if you are Puerto Ricans, Cubans, Dominican, Haitians or from anywhere where the African blood runs such as even Latin-America and Caribbean, a white man looks at you all, us all and sees only a colored men. So who are you Dominicans fooling?
Call or say Haiti lack literacy all you wan, but there is a major difference with being a spineless ****** over simply not have a high rate of literacy in a Country. You great grandparents and mine may have not finish school many could say, but does that mean they were less educated when it came to basic human knowledge to function in their society?
I'm not saying we're being close to anything. You're the one stating such things. I wish to simply acknowledge that which is fact.
see, I don't care for that. Your insulting my people. If you followed my posts on here you would see that I'm very open minded and have nothing at all against the haitian people (indeed,I've grown to RESPECT some of the haitian posters on here). However, a jerk like you I have a problem with. I doubt very much you would call my people imbeciles to a Dominican's face. You and some of the anti-haitian posters on here are two sides to the same coin, namely cowards who come on here to spew forth diatribes from the safety of their laptops. I followed some of your initial posts with interest but you have now revealed your true colors. Keep on writing your BS poems that only you seem to show interest in and whatever else that you do but lay off my people, clown.
My problem is not that I came on here on this site to spill verbal diatribes against Dominicans. I am both part Dominican, Haitian and Jewish you fool. My problem is how most of you on here Dominicans have sat back and not report a guy like Rubirosa for his incendiary offensive remarks that are obviously divisive, racist and condescending down to core and nature of what is extremist anti-semitism sentiments and beliefs. I went even further to say or show that if Dominicans wants to claim to be so righteous into believing they are better humans than Haitians, why I do not see a epidemic chain reaction of Dominican Human Right activists advocating for the basic human rights owed to Haitians living in DR, much less try to even say assist Haiti in its crisis that it is now facing.
To me you're all clown.
My insulting my people which of whom I am as well. So we both agree that insulting one another does not bring us any closer to peace. In fact you found my measly " you *** bunch of people" quite offensive nonetheless because indeed it may be viewed to be derogatory to many. Now, imagine how a Haitian would feel reading all kinds of racist, condescending remakes made by many Dominicans who come on here to talk down to Haitians and their conditions. I have followed your posts and I know you can be a better individual to mediate this room accordingly. So I am the all clown fool when yet you have not included Rubirosa in that realm of being the baffoon that he is for his often posted ignorance. Ahh I see the bias already. Just as state Jemesouviens as he/she stated how doubtful any Dominicans would say what they say to Haitians faces.
By the way, I go to Sosua and Puerto Plata often which is where my mother and grandmother are born and from my father's families own businesses in DR as well as Haiti which thankfully is helping the economy over there greatly believe it or not. Go ask around for the ROSENBERG Also, yes, I do talk like that the way I do to those Dominicans who are racists towards Haitians. So how are you open minded when you will not address Rubirosa's comments? Ha hahhh, I own a PC lol, not a laptop to pardon your ignorance lol. What you call your people are my people as well and who most of our people offends are still my people. I doubt you can say the same. What I can say is that you I have also accepted some of your posts and references with interest and studied them without bias and partial prejudice which is why I told you several times where my blend of true color stands. You have got to do a way better job at coming down on me while ignoring Rubirosa is all. Entiende?
If you indeed have been following posts as you say you would've noticed that there is no love lost between rubirosa and I. I can't stand most of the stuff the guy posts and I've banged heads with him on more than one occasion. But rubirosa has every right to comment on Dominican issues, he is a dominican after all. No one is here to monitor the guy. That's the job of the editors on here. Complain to them.
Si como un Dominicano que tomar el $25 viaje en barco (ferry) que a menudo deja a Punta Cana a PR y tener un bebé en PR, que a su bebé se le niega un Puertorriqueno Etados Unidos certificado de nacimiento? No. Y cuando un Puertorriqueno viene a DR y tener un bebé, su bebé se le niega un certificado de nacimiento Dominicano? Definitivamente no.
Now look at Iraq, Lots of Oil and he is pushing for the mission in Iraq to go ahead full steam. As America's war in Iraq enters its sixth year, Sen. John McCain is hoping that his long effort to send thousands more U.S. troops -- a "surge" that has helped lower casualties -- will propel him into the White House. But McCain's record on Iraq is decidedly mixed... many of his other predictions and prescriptions turned out wrong. McCain Argues for Troop Withdrawal from Haiti
Spanish-built defences survey the ocean at Old San Juan. Nevertheless, under American administration Puerto Rico saw growth and development. But nationalist sentiment sometimes spilled over into violence, notably in the 1930s and 1940s.
The group's fugitive leader was killed by federal agents in 2005. Puerto Rican voters, who elect a governor for the island, have tended to favour parties that support the union with the US. Puerto Ricans do not pay US income tax, and the island receives federal funds. There is an established cycle of migration between Puerto Rico and the US; hundreds of thousands of Puerto Ricans have lived and worked in New York and other cities without the need of going through a citizenship process.
Recognition Denied: The Betrayal at Panama.
http://www.haiti-usa.org/index.php
Go Under The Content of: An Historical Look at Haiti-U.S. Relationships.
However one may read all the other posts if so wishes to.
Why We need to be "Haiti's helper????
Enough is enough.................
Your "weak" comments are mostly need it on HAITI, no on DOMINICAN REPUBLIC space..
I got one for you, hold on: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NzLfw93xeQ
THIS ONE IS RIDICULOUSLY HILARIOUS:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xj55fq-S2a8
Hey that is my New York baby!!! I miss you Brooklyn, New York!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgcZAE1ULYI
TELL ME WHAT YOU ALL THINK OF THIS ONE.