Port-au-Prince.– Every year, Haitians crowd into the basin of a sacred waterfall to relax and
pray for a better future. This time, they asked for relief from soaring food
prices and rampant unemployment.
Thousands of pilgrims bathed and threw
their clothes into the cascading veils of Saut D'Eau, where the faithful believe
the Virgin Mary, known as Erzulie in Haitian Voodoo, appeared in the 1800s. The
observant lit candles and sacrificed a cow nearby.
Many traveled for days
on foot or horseback to reach the holy site, which lies 40 miles (65 kilometers)
northeast of Port-au-Prince.
"Whatever the Saint gives me, I will take,"
said 38-year-old Fifi Jean, who spent US$5.30 of her last savings to make the
trip.
The former food vendor lost her Port-au-Prince market stand when she got sick.
Now, she said, she can't afford the US$17 monthly rent for her and her
daughter.
Haitian Voodoo was created when African slaves fused their
religious tradition with Roman Catholic saints and practices so they could
continue observing their beliefs under the noses of their French masters. Today,
many move freely between the two beliefs.
From: United States, Spring Valley, NY
Haiti.....Mon pays. Over two hundred years of existence and were still fighting to be free. Unemployment, no economy, instability. Sometime I wonder if god even cares. (sigh)
From: Dominican Republic
A scape goat is always needed to be... The Dark Knight.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0cv7Hr3eYMI do not have the answers as my belief in God is not like the beliefs of many others, but hey whether a belief is an elevated state of mind or not. Whatever your belief may be ad how elevated your state of mind might be, hope is all and at least what we as human being strive to have in face of despair even when it all seems gone or far away. So have hope I suppose to say, simply hope.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmjgARqEKY4From: United States
Haitian Voodoo was created when African slaves fused their religious tradition with Roman Catholic saints and practices so they could continue observing their beliefs under the noses of their French masters. Today, many move freely between the two beliefs.
Above the article explains part of the problem with the Haitian plight: Belief in a mixture of Roman Catholicism = Worship of mary, confessions to men, belief in idols, and statues. Many think there is a difference between Vodun and Catholicism; No such thing. they're the same Babylonian beliefs in a different suit. The God of Israel is the true God; Not Golden cows; Popes; Priests; Pilgrimages; Rosaries; All these are of pagan origin and will keep those believing in them in misery and poverty. The Protestant Work Ethic is what made 'true' Christian countires prosperous; Unlike Italy, Spain, Mexico, Brazil, and the rest of "Latin" America. Vodoo and RC are idolatry. Read: Matthew 11:28 & I Timothy 2:5. Only one.
From: United States
Continues:
It wasn't the slaves that fused their beliefs with the Catholic saint traditions; These were devised by Catholic "priests' to subjugate the slaves. The priests gave 'their' saints RC names. They had already done the same with the native Arawak Taino and Caribes. This was a way to conquer and enslave not only the bodies, but also the minds of their subjects. These european devils came with a clever plan to exploit the lands they conquered and then destroy its inhabitants. Isn't it apparent? Look at Haiti, still caught up believing in holy water. If you see the poor Hindus of India bathing in the filthy 'holy' Ganghes River, you'll understand that pagan beliefs will keep you in utter poverty. The true God is a jealous God; He abhors seeing his creatures following doctrines of devils. Believe in the true God. He provides for his children. Unlike the enemy of souls that leads the whole world into believing his lies; Leaving them hungry, lost, and hopeless.
From: United States
jemesouviens1804 says: Mon pays...
Ce si bon, mon frere!
I thought you had said you were from {l'autre cote. Domicaine!}
Je me souviens aussi de l'occupation Haitiene dans "mon pays". Je connait l'histoire; Et vous?
La verite est plus important!
Vive la Liberte, et la Verite, plus l'Eternel.
From: United States
It's so sad that the first black republic in the western hemisphere is still battling such a crisis in the 21st century. Aside from the issue of "do-nothing", corrupt politicians, why doesn't the Haitian elite step in and start to bolster the enconomy in consort with the government or others in their community? Doesn't that benefit them as well as the rest of their society? Why would you want to live comfortably in a mansion in the hills only to step outside and be surrounded by chaos and poverty? Why not pool your resources together with others to bring about economic prosperity that everyone can benefit from? It sounds very simple, though challenging but it can be done. It's called social responsibility. Try it out...
Written by: DaniDr, 19 Jul 2008 9:12 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
I have respect for Haiti, but I don't think I'd call it a crisis anymore since a crisis is a mentality, and it seems to me that many people in haiti have accepted their fate and won't fight to change the future history. In part I also blame international help, as aiding a country generally only helps to halt it's economy and agriculture. Send food to a hungry country, and they'll stop producing step by step, because hey, food is on the way and it's free!. It creates a dependency that you then can't take away, this has been proved many times in Darfur and many other countries.
I'll never forget when I was at the mercado de la frontera in Duvergé, right on the border with Haiti. Many haitians were selling huge sacks of rice and wheat which had the americna flag drawn on it. Yep, help from USA to HAITI, being sold to RD instead of being used to feed their own starving people.
From: United States
Nyclatinhunt,
I believe there's a complex issue that is permeating within the haitians in haiti. The issue deals with the mentality that if someone tries to do a good thing for themselves and the country, they won't make it to far. A haitian man told me that the country cannot progress, unless haitians in unison wants the betterment of the country. Haiti in essence lacks a strong leader that will unify the whole country. It needs someone who will take care of the country. As for poverty in haiti, you would have to go to haiti to see the amount of big homes and nice buildings that are in haiti. It seems a lil unreal, i think the only thing that haiti is lacking is a responsible government that is willing to look into the interest of haiti as a country. In order for that to be done, Haiti needs a strong leader who is willing to get his hands dirty in order to stir haiti in the right direction.
From: United States
Dani DR
I have respect for your comments, and i find some truth in what you have said about haitians. I do feel that SOME haitians have given up in changing the future of haiti. But, I cannot say its the whole population. I feel that haitians have an interesting predicament in which they need a strong leader who can use the World powers and not be used. United States is the reason for the food crisis in haiti, because the IMF bank forced haiti to lower its taxes on imports. For the haitian government, it didn't know that lowering the taxes and being dependent on cheap imports would bite them in the rear later on. As for a change for haiti, only time will tell. but yes, haiti needs a lot of work, but all it takes is a strong arm and a unified effort in takin the country to the 21st century.
From: United States, New York City
That's right Arsenio. "Protestant Work Ethic" got us here today. Here I thought perhaps modern science, which came from Catholic monks and scholastics and was then taken up by secular materialists, had a big part to do with our advancement. I also mistakenly thought that perhaps another contribution came from the humanistic culture sparked by the Italians in the Renaissance, in part aided by Muslim libraries stocked with knowledge left behind by pagan Romans and Greeks. Or perhaps I ascribed to much of the credit to those who did the dirty job of extracting economic wealth done by the likes of the Portuguese and Spaniards who brought the gold and silver BACK to Europe. And maybe my goofy ass gave to much credit to accomplishments of CatholiC then humanist France. HOW COULD I FORGET ONLY NORTHERN EUROPE AND ITS RELIGION GAVE US THIS...
From: United States, New York City
Point is PLEASE stop it with your veiled racism in favor of Northern Europeans only. The religion of WASPS isn't the only driver of US or European success. Just because they are amongst the richest today means nothing, when the rest of Europe remains plenty wealthy. Protestantism isn't even growing in US, it's given way to watered down evangelicalism...ugh. But anyway great suggestion to help Haiti ... not to break free of all chains, but to chain themselves to the dying racist Protestant faiths.
From: United States
I just finished my George Bush doll .. and my first batch of pins .. 4125 pins for each and every one of the US soldiers who give up their life fighting in Iraq .. where should I start placing the pins? on the doll's head?
From: Afghanistan, BAF
silly dirt worshiping heathens....
From: United States
This kind of "Hollywood Voodoo" obviously does not to work .. I was watching George live on CNN as the pins went in .. hundreds of pins later and nothing happened .. if Voodoo were that potent it could have been an effective way to lift Haiti out of it's current crisis .. right? So Voodoo is really more ritual than real .. right? maybe I need a course in the real thing .. instead of this fake "Hollyvoodo" ..
Written by: manny31, 19 Jul 2008 5:37 PM
From: United States
GOD works thought people READ YOUR BIBLIES! if this world was not so hungry for money we will be listening to what GOD is telling us,to love one,other
From: United States
Human labor is the most critical factor of production in economic development .. without human labor, land remains idle and capital cannot be created .. each person leaving Haiti takes with him and her the most valuable productive resource of Haiti ..this labor export also robs Haiti of a vital market for it's local industry .. Haitian workers are worked very hard and paid very poorly in the Dominican Republic .. those working the sugar cane fields and construction sites in the DR can barely feed themselves .. let alone contribute to the development of Haiti with the balance of their meager earnings. Their best bet is to find a way to be employed in Haiti itself. Somebody suggested a Marshall Plan of sorts. Not a bad idea. But there is need for political stability and effective leadership. Instead, Haitian leaders have seemed preoccupied with lining their own pockets and those of their supporters. This "vicious cycle" must be somehow broken.
From: United States
Manhtnite: Point is PLEASE stop it with your veiled racism in favor of Northern Europeans only. The religion of WASPS isn't the only driver of US or European success.
-----Protestants founded the U.S. for those escaping religious persecution from the Church of England, and it's mom the Catholic Church. Read your history, bro. The Spaniard came looking for Gold. and the Pilgrims looking for God. After a few generations the Catholics settled in Mary_land with their Jesuits and from the outset began to infiltrate the U.S. Trying to make it like their Inquisition Old World. Here they began their New World Order: Yes, Protestant America, allowed Catholics to excercise their freedoms, something that RC refuse to allow others to do! The Vatican has hated the Protestants, and the Protestant Republic that is the U.S. Where else in history have people been able to express themselves as they do here? In you fantasy state of "The reign of Terror" France? Where the streets ran red?
From: United States
The Street of Paris ran ren with the blood of Hugenots during the St. Bartholomew Day Massacre. People who only wanted to worship God according to their understanding. The Waldenses were also slaughtered by the Catholics in Southern France. Exterminated. The Hugenots settled in Florida and The Spaniards sent soldiers to wipe them out...They Slaughtered all of them! And the settlement was abandoned 'cause there weren't any 'survivors'....History doesn't mention that bitter piece of trivia. My qualms ares not with the Catholics my roots are Catholic; Yet, I call them as I see them. My experience in this country has taught me that the only reason God has blessed it "for a time", was to allow the downtrodden to reach its shores and thank not Uncle Sam, but God Almighty, the God of Jacob. Luther, Wycliff, Calvin, Huss, Zwingli, Tyndale, Spurgeon, and yes even the Wesley brothers have produced wonders through the direction of the Holy Spirit by reading the Holy Scriptures.
From: United States
Something that the Catholic Church has abhorred from the its beginning, because if you read the "unadulterated" word of God, you'll see that the Sabbath (7th day) is HIS day not SUN-day; Idols shouldn't be worshiped; priest are not needed--Jesus is a High Priest by the order of Melchizedeck; the pope doesn't represent Christ on Earth---The Holy Spirit does, and a myriad of other errors that the holy see has attempted to inculcate in the mind of not Just "European", but the whole world. Catholic means universal: Their goal is world domination; They love Banana Republics, they love misery, they love backwardness, they love beggars. When I was a kid, Spain was a Catholic dictatoship, partner. It didn't free itself from the grasp of the fascist Franco and his Catholic stronghold until 1976! Yes, the Protestant work ethic brought this great nation: No King or pope, but King Jesus...That was the founder's motto; Read your history. No Protestants--No freedom. Rome thrives on Bulls.
From: United States
Which brings me to the conclusion of the matter at hand: The mayhem and confusion that is modern Haiti, our neighbor. The country has been ruled by a parade of dictators. One of its latest despots was Aristide a Catholic (maybe Jesuit) priest; He was finally extracted for the good of the nation. After his removal, gangs of ruffians have controlled, this poor country; Which suppossedly warrented the intervention of U.N. troops; Who have attempted to establish order. What do you want? 200 years of turmoil and the interventions don't stop. What is the problem? The IMF, The World Bank, Racism? I think those may well be part of the problem; But I detect a spiritual 'generational' (inherted) problem. Not worshiping the God of the Bible. Papa Doc wasn't a medical Doctor, He was a witch-doctor, and that medicine is still a staple diet of many, not all Haitians. Many good hatians are Christian; But in my humble opinion, Vodun is the root cause of this problem. Please, Repent.
From: United States, New York City
Yes King Jesus blessed this devout nation of prison colonies, slave-masters, tobacco planters, and bellicose genocidal Scots-Irish because they all came for spiritual reasons just like the handful of pilgrims. Only Spaniards and Catholics came for nefarious reasons. You call what you see or what you pick? Way to buy into a mythology.
From: United States
Planet earth is going globalization and Haitians still live in stagnation...........
"Guys time to grow up"
From: United States, Spring Valley, NY
jemesouviens1804 says: Mon pays...
Ce si bon, mon frere!
I thought you had said you were from {l'autre cote. Domicaine!}
Je me souviens aussi de l'occupation Haitiene dans "mon pays". Je connait l'histoire; Et vous?
La verite est plus important!
Vive la Liberte, et la Verite, plus l'Eternel.
What the hell are you talking about........The topic is about Haiti's future and you complaining about how you remember Haitians occupying you country....And you knowing your history?
From: United States
jemesouviens-------I'm talking about you portraying yourself as a DR, when it pleases you, and reverting to Hatian when issues concerning that nation are featured; That's what I'm referring to.
You want your cake and want to eat it too. No es por nada: O eres o no eres?...Not for nuttin'!
Mahattanite-------------nation of prison colonies, slave-masters, tobacco planters: Yes, the pilgrim's arrival was sabbotaged by Puritans who wanted to remain in the Anglican Church and wanted to make sure that everyone else followed its authority: Sound familiar? Well they were sent by England to impose the Anglican Inquisition in the colonies. Salem witch burnings followed, and persecution of Baptists like Roger Williams, who was beaten and left for dead in the far reached of the Massachusetts colony. The Spanish and the Portugese preceeded the British in the slave trade to supply their sugar cane, rum, slave vicious cycle. Check your Funk & Wagnalls. No one is above atrocities.....
From: United States
(continues)----committed in the New World, yet, the fact still stands that at least the land of the pilgrim fathers provided a posterity for their own and others seeking similar refuge from persecution. This is something that my own heritage did not; It persecuted with an iron fist all that did not bow down to papal authority. The amount of slaves that were brought to Hispaniola in the 16th Century was greater than was brought to the U.S. Colonies from the begining to the end of the slave trade. But, all that is beyond the scope of what we are discussing here. The dichotomy that is Haiti is greater that what I can elaborate here; I'm not qualified to do so, and frankly it would take a doctoral thesis to address all the issues. I'm from Quisqueya, that's my focus and main concern. If I can help my brethren from Haiti, I do. But, I don't flip-flop. I was born in Santo Domingo of a father from Barahona, and a mom from Higuey. Many generations native. Not immigrant. Ok
From: United States, Spring Valley, NY
I believe your posting to the wrong person. Never have I tried to come off being Dominican at all. For goodness sakes my screen-name is "Je me Souviens 1804". And trust me, I like being Haitian, no matter how you want ridicule us. Your probably confusing me for YoSoy/AfroLatino(no offense my friend). Make sure you know who you attacking okay papi.
From: United States
Attacking??? I'm just calling the spades, spades. What are you doing in a Dominican Today Forum when you aren't a DR? That's my quandary. What in Heaven's name is this phalanx of non-DR people hanging around looking for their issues to be discussed so they can rise to d ocassion n claim they are the ones that know what's 'the truth'? I harbor no ill will against anyone at this Forum, but, frankly this non-DR, Haitian posse is totally out of the pocket. Totally, uncalled for, and really a unecessary problem. Cojelo con 'Take it easy', my man! Not for nuttin': This is "our" house; Our domain; We are in control when it comes to our perspectives on issues here! I'm not trying to exclude anybody; But the Forum is clearly stated as being "Dominican Today"; Not gypies, tramps and thieves, Today. Not Bahamians Today, or Jamaicans Today, Comprende compere? Please understand we need a niche where we can express our opinion without a 'foreign' element impeding our freedom of speech.
From: United States
Hear hear .. it seems we have tried everything and nothing seems to be working .. so we probably need intervention from a supreme being .. powerful and omnipotent .. to drive this all this evil from the shores of Haiti .. prayer might help .. it certainly won't hurt ..
From: United States, Spring Valley, NY
No you are attacking because your on here complaining about Haitians occupying your country and asking why there are so many Haitians here. If the article is about Haiti, I have the right to comment about it. Since you seem to have a problem on here contact the moderator and tell him to post on the homepage "no Haitians allowed" and you won't see me posting here no more.
From: Haiti
Jemesouviens, sakapet neg lakay. Please refrain from tit for tat with people that don't realise the importance of haitian immigration to the DR. I was there for a short stop to take care of some things and very observant of the haitian/dominican relation. Things will change for the betterment in Haiti and we will always stand tall face up to the sky despite our current situation. I have not been on here because I realise what's the point of discussing issues pertaining to DR with dominicans that immigrated legally/illegally and boast pride from afar and doesn't go thru the hardship of everday living in the DR. Funny thing is many dominicans on here but a few live there and really know DR. Ask them how much does a bottle of water cost? They don't know. Haiti is improving brother. And DR will improve as well and both countries can prosper. I am so tired of non sense between the two nations. Dude the border security is improving although bribes is up.
From: United States, Spring Valley, NY
Kote ou te ya Mon ami !!! Its nice to finally see a post from you. I was getting worried something happened to you. Your intellect was truly missed.
From: Haiti
Mwen la broder. I've just been enjoying life and staying away from the internet for a while. I mean it gets to a point where people are going to see things one way no matter how clear the facts may have them change there opinion. I have been talking to some americans in the DR as well. The misconception of haiti is ridiculous. I was speaking to some mormons and the look on their face when I spoke english and how shocked they were to find out I was Haitian. One said that the Haitian government ordered anyone to kill people with black tags and white shirts. To think they actually believed this non sense. On second thought these guys are doing more than converting poor dominican souls to mormons. There was this one haitian kid in their group. I had to tell him wtf made you join this organisation. First time a met a haitian mormon and dominican ones too.. Guys where eating pizza hut. I made a comment that they can't give up american cuisine.lol..
From: Haiti
Jemsouviens thank you for the kind words but I am far from an intellect. Just a citizen trying to put the pieces to this complicated puzzle. Keep your cool and don't let others deviate your true self. Bless my brother..to all of you Cibaeno,Lautaro,NY4life as will and Manhattanite..and clan
From: Zimbabwe
Welcome back jabao..tu e'taba peidio heimano....
Written by: Lautaro, 21 Jul 2008 12:06 PM
From: Dominican Republic
God bless you too, jabao. And here I was worried sick that something might have happened to you, seeing your eagerness into going to Colombia and all that, last time we chatted. (Also, the only entertaining feature during your absence would be, as always, the eternal clash between GC and Belial). LOL
From: Haiti
Cibaeño & Lautaro sakapfet=what's happening. Your suppose to say 'nap boulé"...I haven't ventured back to Colombia. Been busy with real life events. Situation in the DR is getting tougher guys and it appears it isn't getting better soon. I got lost again, well the idiot that knew a short cut wsn't sure where to go, in the worst part of DR and almost pooped on myself when some tigueres on moto wouldn't pass us and was on our tail. Had to press on the gas and flew down the curves of Rosario Sanchez. Flickering my lights when I saw police and kepts going..I think they are part of Barrio Seguro. Im more afraid of the police than the tigueres. And the new border crossing method is ridiculous..such a headache but if it is for safety measures we have to understand.
Written by: Lautaro, 21 Jul 2008 1:02 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Yeah, I know. Every time I get to see the linces (the National Police's biker squad) I can't help but feeling on maximum alert. I guess that we have a long way to go before putting behind us the culture of the macuteo and the round up or "redada".
From: Haiti
Lautaro it was late at nite and they had the truck with the lights flickering..and the too bikes just sat on our a$$. I was scared as sh*& and I knew that I was not suppose to be there at that time and the toll would've been high..so I sped flickering my lights..lol...looking back that was a bold move and could've ended sour but some times you have to have a tigueraje that isn't matchable..Times are hard in the DR for everyone. The border crossign is such a pain now..everyone has to get off the bus now which leads to stream of bribes..one spaniard was pissed and started letting out his sentiments which were shocking that nobody said anything to him..the fear of the spaniards or getting them upset is ridiculous..i think people got the messge and stopped asking him a propina..lol....
Written by: Lautaro, 21 Jul 2008 1:25 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Did you enter from the south or from the north (la línea)? Because, from what I have heard lately, almost all the annoying checkpoints are up north, due the fact that all the major trade between both countries is made via Dajabon/Ouanaminthe.
From: United States
Sakapfet, Jabao. I must agree with your comments about haiti is getting better. I went there and to Jacmel last week, and i must say they are finally building up some of the roads. Not to mention, since it was my first time there. I was extremely surprised by the beautiful landscape and beaches I saw in haiti. Maybe the day will come, when cibaeno and lautaro may enjoy a cup of coffee in Jacmel while looking at it's beautiful bay.
From: Haiti
Lautaro, I came in from the south. They said this is the new policy and couple of days a couple of kilos was left on the bus. So they have beefed up security maybe for the time being. There a so many other services that get you in and out haiti but I prefer flying or taking the bus with comfort and assuring my safety. The best it gets down here..lol..Anonymous, yes our infrastructure is coming along and the haitian government should recruit experience haitian construction workers from the DR with a competitive salary. The universities are loaded with haitian students and all have good to say even the darkest of haitians. So all that racial crusade needs to stop. Hanged with old friends that I haven't seen in a while. Bought the book Cibaeno referred by Bosch and buught some other books that I wanted non dominican. Accomplish what I needed to get done with no headache
From: United States, San Diego, California
The problem with Haiti, as well with other countries in Latin America, is that the government does not invest enough in education. Our governments must invest more money in education in order to alive our poverty. A country well educated, is a rich country with great future.
Written by: Lautaro, 22 Jul 2008 9:25 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Zona Dominicana said: "The problem with Haiti, as well with other countries in Latin America, is that the government does not invest enough in education. Our governments must invest more money in education in order to alive our poverty. A country well educated, is a rich country with great future."
True. But then, if our populace were to increase their educational levels, then they'd come to realize the utter uselessness of our politicians, and the latter would not want that to happen, wouldn't they?
From: United States
Touche, lautaro. In our respective countries, I feel that the politicians are not trying to have an influx of smart people that can take away there many years of corruption. I have come to find out over the years, that very few people come into power for the interest of the people. If they do have the people's interest in mind, they will most likely not be the favorite to win the election. If you are for the people, you will most likely not have the means to purchase votes or favoritism. My theory, is that the only way to stop the perpetuating cycle of corruption, is to have a brave and strong leader that is willing to start the whole process again. Maybe not a full scale revolution, but someone who is able to change the majority of the old politicians from previous government. Of course in theory it sounds easy, but only a strong and effective leader can pull such a task.
From: Haiti
Lautaro, I can't help but laugh at your statement which is so true. This includes majority of the countries in Latin America where the majority are kept mis-informed and in a never ending cycle of poverty where teh minority take advantage of the majorities misfortune. I am all for education but that alone will not solve the problems in Haiti/DR nor Latin America. Look at the USA which is one of the richest countries in the world and if you speak to an average american you'll be shocked the lack of knowledge they have an simple things but their standard of living is far better than their ignorant counterparts in Latin America. BTW, what is considered an educated person because the bar rises when dealing with asians even though not all are as bright as they appear to be. Lack of resources and opportunity is the reason why Latin America lags behind and will remain so if the butter isn't spread evenly or a tad more
Written by: Lautaro, 22 Jul 2008 9:47 AM
From: Dominican Republic
The example that comes into my mind when thinking about your theory, Anonymous, is the one of Taiwan under Chiang Kai-Shek. Even though the man's rule was extremely harsh with the native taiwanese people, it would built the institutions and economic base that would make Taiwan's impressive development a reality.
From: Haiti
anonymous, your comments sound logical but you have to recall that corruption is embedded in the chromosomes of these politicians. Greed and power does something even to the most humblest campesino that turn priest then president and alleged narcotic distributor. I disagree that we need that one person to awaken the mass. I think that's been my countries main problem waiting for the messiah to save them from the evil elite when it's their own brother that lived in the slums with them and got a lottery ticket out of their to change their plight which turns around and stick the blade in their arteries. It will take a collective conscious effort from all of our citizens to change our societies way of thinking. Im going to get min and to hell with the rest. I have been doing alot of observation of the two countries lately and foreign interference which makes me want to vomit. But until all of us as citizens make that collective effort things will always be 'business as usual"
From: United States, Spring Valley, NY
From what I'm getting Jabao, I believe you trying to say that it is mostly the black/poor majority that are the root of the problem in our country(Pa di sa devan moun yo). That couldn't be more wrong, mon ami. Just like Charlito Baker said...Haiti is a boat, and if that boat tips over we all die(blk, wht, mulatto). So with that said, everyone is to blame. The "Elites" need to stop kissing France ass and trying to sell the country to America. The poor majority needs to stop destroying the country. We need to always remember that we are not Americans, French, or Canadians...We are Haitians and the country will prosper only when we put our minds together.
From: Zimbabwe
What about hemp to prevent deforestation? Has anyone ever considered such a thing?
From: United States, Spring Valley, NY
LoL......They would be migration explosion to Haiti then.
From: Haiti
Many realistic comments have been made on articles about Haiti. Other comments are however definitely biased. Bad perception and ignorance are to blame .
In this article about the yearly pilgrinage of "Saut d'Eau" where close to 100,000 persons, catholics, vodouist and vodouising-catholics alike , safely meet in a green and lush area of Haiti, the miserable picture chosen by DominicanToday has been one of burned to the ground poor family house. What is the relation?
Haiti has a lot of problems indeed. However, always showing negative images will not help solve them. In the contrary, this will chase away the much needed foreign investments and visitors needed to create jobs and improve the quality of life.
Do send to the editors some positive digitalized pictures of Haiti for their future articles.
The following link provides other photographic views of the Saut d'Eau yearly pilgrinage.
http://lenouvelliste.com/article.....leID=60081&PubDate=2008-07-27From: Haiti
Many realistic comments have been made on articles about Haiti. Other comments are however definitely biased. Bad perception and ignorance are to blame .
In this article about the yearly pilgrinage of "Saut d'Eau" where close to 100,000 persons, catholics, vodouist and vodouising-catholics alike , safely meet in a green and lush area of Haiti, the miserable picture chosen by DominicanToday has been one of burned to the ground poor family house. What is the relation?
Haiti has a lot of problems indeed. However, always showing negative images will not help solve them. In the contrary, this will chase away the much needed foreign investments and visitors needed to create jobs and improve the quality of life.
Do send to the editors some positive digitalized pictures of Haiti for their future articles.
The following link provides other photographic views of the Saut d'Eau yearly pilgrinage.
http://lenouvelliste.com/article.....leID=60081&PubDate=2008-07-27Written by: goodd, 27 Jul 2008 10:14 PM
From: United States
I think that that Haiti and voodoo is controlled by magic. Now I see that god dose not dose not love evil . Dance for the Lord and trust me he will love you. until it will be the day. God bless.
Written by: etiennc, 31 Jul 2008 12:14 PM
From: United States
...And then ????
Grill, Hamburgers,Hotdogs,Music " Ala yonn bel ti peyi Nan peyim map retounen"
Romantism,Cowardice ,Demagoguery,Maniguet.
Y COMO DICEN NUETROS VECINOS QUE NOS MOLESTAMOS TANTO'UN PAIS AL REVES'
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a0cv7Hr3eYM
I do not have the answers as my belief in God is not like the beliefs of many others, but hey whether a belief is an elevated state of mind or not. Whatever your belief may be ad how elevated your state of mind might be, hope is all and at least what we as human being strive to have in face of despair even when it all seems gone or far away. So have hope I suppose to say, simply hope.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmjgARqEKY4
Above the article explains part of the problem with the Haitian plight: Belief in a mixture of Roman Catholicism = Worship of mary, confessions to men, belief in idols, and statues. Many think there is a difference between Vodun and Catholicism; No such thing. they're the same Babylonian beliefs in a different suit. The God of Israel is the true God; Not Golden cows; Popes; Priests; Pilgrimages; Rosaries; All these are of pagan origin and will keep those believing in them in misery and poverty. The Protestant Work Ethic is what made 'true' Christian countires prosperous; Unlike Italy, Spain, Mexico, Brazil, and the rest of "Latin" America. Vodoo and RC are idolatry. Read: Matthew 11:28 & I Timothy 2:5. Only one.
It wasn't the slaves that fused their beliefs with the Catholic saint traditions; These were devised by Catholic "priests' to subjugate the slaves. The priests gave 'their' saints RC names. They had already done the same with the native Arawak Taino and Caribes. This was a way to conquer and enslave not only the bodies, but also the minds of their subjects. These european devils came with a clever plan to exploit the lands they conquered and then destroy its inhabitants. Isn't it apparent? Look at Haiti, still caught up believing in holy water. If you see the poor Hindus of India bathing in the filthy 'holy' Ganghes River, you'll understand that pagan beliefs will keep you in utter poverty. The true God is a jealous God; He abhors seeing his creatures following doctrines of devils. Believe in the true God. He provides for his children. Unlike the enemy of souls that leads the whole world into believing his lies; Leaving them hungry, lost, and hopeless.
Ce si bon, mon frere!
I thought you had said you were from {l'autre cote. Domicaine!}
Je me souviens aussi de l'occupation Haitiene dans "mon pays". Je connait l'histoire; Et vous?
La verite est plus important!
Vive la Liberte, et la Verite, plus l'Eternel.
I'll never forget when I was at the mercado de la frontera in Duvergé, right on the border with Haiti. Many haitians were selling huge sacks of rice and wheat which had the americna flag drawn on it. Yep, help from USA to HAITI, being sold to RD instead of being used to feed their own starving people.
I believe there's a complex issue that is permeating within the haitians in haiti. The issue deals with the mentality that if someone tries to do a good thing for themselves and the country, they won't make it to far. A haitian man told me that the country cannot progress, unless haitians in unison wants the betterment of the country. Haiti in essence lacks a strong leader that will unify the whole country. It needs someone who will take care of the country. As for poverty in haiti, you would have to go to haiti to see the amount of big homes and nice buildings that are in haiti. It seems a lil unreal, i think the only thing that haiti is lacking is a responsible government that is willing to look into the interest of haiti as a country. In order for that to be done, Haiti needs a strong leader who is willing to get his hands dirty in order to stir haiti in the right direction.
I have respect for your comments, and i find some truth in what you have said about haitians. I do feel that SOME haitians have given up in changing the future of haiti. But, I cannot say its the whole population. I feel that haitians have an interesting predicament in which they need a strong leader who can use the World powers and not be used. United States is the reason for the food crisis in haiti, because the IMF bank forced haiti to lower its taxes on imports. For the haitian government, it didn't know that lowering the taxes and being dependent on cheap imports would bite them in the rear later on. As for a change for haiti, only time will tell. but yes, haiti needs a lot of work, but all it takes is a strong arm and a unified effort in takin the country to the 21st century.
-----Protestants founded the U.S. for those escaping religious persecution from the Church of England, and it's mom the Catholic Church. Read your history, bro. The Spaniard came looking for Gold. and the Pilgrims looking for God. After a few generations the Catholics settled in Mary_land with their Jesuits and from the outset began to infiltrate the U.S. Trying to make it like their Inquisition Old World. Here they began their New World Order: Yes, Protestant America, allowed Catholics to excercise their freedoms, something that RC refuse to allow others to do! The Vatican has hated the Protestants, and the Protestant Republic that is the U.S. Where else in history have people been able to express themselves as they do here? In you fantasy state of "The reign of Terror" France? Where the streets ran red?
"Guys time to grow up"
Ce si bon, mon frere!
I thought you had said you were from {l'autre cote. Domicaine!}
Je me souviens aussi de l'occupation Haitiene dans "mon pays". Je connait l'histoire; Et vous?
La verite est plus important!
Vive la Liberte, et la Verite, plus l'Eternel.
What the hell are you talking about........The topic is about Haiti's future and you complaining about how you remember Haitians occupying you country....And you knowing your history?
You want your cake and want to eat it too. No es por nada: O eres o no eres?...Not for nuttin'!
Mahattanite-------------nation of prison colonies, slave-masters, tobacco planters: Yes, the pilgrim's arrival was sabbotaged by Puritans who wanted to remain in the Anglican Church and wanted to make sure that everyone else followed its authority: Sound familiar? Well they were sent by England to impose the Anglican Inquisition in the colonies. Salem witch burnings followed, and persecution of Baptists like Roger Williams, who was beaten and left for dead in the far reached of the Massachusetts colony. The Spanish and the Portugese preceeded the British in the slave trade to supply their sugar cane, rum, slave vicious cycle. Check your Funk & Wagnalls. No one is above atrocities.....
True. But then, if our populace were to increase their educational levels, then they'd come to realize the utter uselessness of our politicians, and the latter would not want that to happen, wouldn't they?
In this article about the yearly pilgrinage of "Saut d'Eau" where close to 100,000 persons, catholics, vodouist and vodouising-catholics alike , safely meet in a green and lush area of Haiti, the miserable picture chosen by DominicanToday has been one of burned to the ground poor family house. What is the relation?
Haiti has a lot of problems indeed. However, always showing negative images will not help solve them. In the contrary, this will chase away the much needed foreign investments and visitors needed to create jobs and improve the quality of life.
Do send to the editors some positive digitalized pictures of Haiti for their future articles.
The following link provides other photographic views of the Saut d'Eau yearly pilgrinage.
http://lenouvelliste.com/article.....leID=60081&PubDate=2008-07-27
In this article about the yearly pilgrinage of "Saut d'Eau" where close to 100,000 persons, catholics, vodouist and vodouising-catholics alike , safely meet in a green and lush area of Haiti, the miserable picture chosen by DominicanToday has been one of burned to the ground poor family house. What is the relation?
Haiti has a lot of problems indeed. However, always showing negative images will not help solve them. In the contrary, this will chase away the much needed foreign investments and visitors needed to create jobs and improve the quality of life.
Do send to the editors some positive digitalized pictures of Haiti for their future articles.
The following link provides other photographic views of the Saut d'Eau yearly pilgrinage.
http://lenouvelliste.com/article.....leID=60081&PubDate=2008-07-27
Grill, Hamburgers,Hotdogs,Music " Ala yonn bel ti peyi Nan peyim map retounen"
Romantism,Cowardice ,Demagoguery,Maniguet.
Y COMO DICEN NUETROS VECINOS QUE NOS MOLESTAMOS TANTO'UN PAIS AL REVES'