I doubt that they'll be allowed to stay, this is racism thou. They won't do this to the Cubans in Florida. And I rather Live under Castro's Cuba then in Haiti.

Send 'em back post haste ! Hell send 'em to Mexico they can just walk across. If 47 of them can make it to the US on a floating door they should look forward to the return trip on a plane or boat !

Chill, WTF ? where do you reside ? Are you an Iraqi ? By the way the war has been a boon to the defence industry and at nearly 1000 to one we are slaughtering the other side, thems pretty good odds. But no one wants to get behind our team while we're in a fight every one want's to feel bad for the other side. All the crying over Abu Graib and not an utterance of out rage at the constant beheadings and "real" torture perpetrated by our foes on a daily basis. I know this don't have sh*t to do with haitians but why is it that every time we try to enguage a threat vital to our interest Mid east = oil we are Imperilist, but yet some how the same folks argue we have some sort of obligation to harbor every refugee and malcontent from around the world. Haiti is a failed state because the people are to busy hacking at each other with machetes and digging in trash piles to raise food , its a tropical enviroment with a year round growing season. there is no excuse for them to be "starving" !

Raymond Joseph, the Haitian Ambassador is a traitor. He was appointed by Haitian De Facto Prime Minister Gerard Latortue. Raymond Joseph is a sellout Uncle Tom. He was a Bush collaborator and a coup plotter against Aristide. Raymond and Co. have plunged Haiti into chaos. Raymond Joseph can go to hell.

Raymond Joseph is a crook.

Haitians are hard working individuals, deport only the ones who have committed a crime.

When DR deports the illegal Haitian, international human rights agencies intervene and cry "RACISM." When the U.S. does it, you can't find a response from international human rights agencies. You can't find them even with a microscope. It is amazing the double standard being applied here. When you are superpower, you call the shots! And this is the same U.S. who wants DR to absort the illegal Haitian. The heck with Obama!

Dominican are also hard working and entreprenuers and yet they are deported along with the criminals (it is just that the criminals get a separate airplane)!

Written by: chillaxin201, 28 Feb 2009 2:26 PM
From: Iraq, American Murder Madness
I doubt that they'll be allowed to stay, this is racism thou. They won't do this to the Cubans in Florida. And I rather Live under Castro's Cuba then in Haiti.

Chilli-Willie
Have you ever been to Haiti?
I always have a great time there. Some great restaurants, Beautiful beaches and the Rum.......The best.

Sure it sucks to be a peasant so it would be bad for you.

Most of you write as ifboth the DR and Haiti are "Squeskey Clean" in themanagement of their internal affairs, when the opposite is true.
You're all a bunch of whinerswho don't have the intestnal fortitude to see just where the fault is andhas been; RIGHT IN YOUR OWN BACKYARD and perpetuated by your own govenment authorities.
You act as if it is YOUR RIGHT to demand a place in US Society when you can't even solve your own problems.
Why should the US take on the additional problems of feeding and housing all of you when a majority don't even know how to spell and write your own names.
You, collectively, have NO RIGHT to demand ANYTHING from trhe US, so take your incessent whining someplace else and see how you are accepted. Nobody wants you because of what you have proven that you are a bunch of mediocre whiners who will drag down any society you come in contact with.
There area a few exceptions, but not all that many.

TexasBill

Agreed

Texas Bill the housing and feeding you are talking about is taken by the legal immigrants, the poor whites in the Appalachians, the Carolinas, Mississipi, Alabama, and the ignoramus Arkansas. Also a great portion of the afroamericans, the recent eastern Europeans, Russians, Africans, and of course the native americans are being subsidized by the working class and rich class in the U.S.
The illegal, despite they are breaking immigration laws, work hard and DO NOT RECEIVE tthe subsidies that your minorities and poor are sucking out of your treasury and taxes. When the U.S. kept the Europeans out of the Americas, by default the U.S. shaped and adopted the future and path of Central American and the Caribbean. Own it and live with it! If you have problems, curse the generation that put the U.S. in this predicament.

Texasbill:

Well said!!!

raymond josesh the sin verguenza vs The Bush Administration
Great God ,the check with the memo" assassinate Aristides character "was bounced.
Or just another radio vonvon antic.

"Nobody wants you because of what you have proven that you are a bunch of mediocre whiners who will drag down any society you come in contact with."

Mr TB
Please refrain from injecting racist terms in your posts. It is offensive, not useful, and paints all of us poster in DT, undeservedly, with a racist brush.

Texasbill

Can i get a number 1 with fries and a large coke to go with no onions or pickle please.

pappaBowie,

You're a MORON. 'Haitians are hacking each other to death"? What are you doing in someone else's country?

I love the USA, but, Americans can't point the finger at any country when it comes to violence.

Our women are raped in obscene numbers, children abused and kidnapped all the time, people get blown away every day, serial killers, you name it.

Think before you speak.

By the way, did I call you a MORON?

kmnupe,
comments by papabowie and the likes shouldn't surprise you. papabowie doesn't even understand his fate ,and to go further, does he even know when he
is hungry? there are many programmed folks in this country so full of opportunities, they r unable to think for themselves, and naturally nasty, they rely on others' opinions;rush, hannity or even howard stern r their teachers. this should tell anyone with some brain about their education and their upbringing.

Written by: kmnupe, 1 Mar 2009 4:27 AM
From: United States, NYC
pappaBowie,

Kmnupe, pappaBowie is special gentleman with very special need, be gentle and hold your breath.

antonio1;
You obviously missed the last sentence qualifier that I posted with my comment.
As to the post being "racist", I beg to differ.
The commentary was directed specifically a those who enter and have entered the USA under false pretenses andwho take advantage of the liberal "freebies" promulgated by the Liberals in our Congress and Government.
Our laws have not differentiated between Legal and illegal immigration in the past but I see the "handwriting on the wall" that is scaring the bejesus out of those who have ridden the "freebie-horse" in the past.
As to those non-native borns who abide by all the rules and work their butts off to be successful, I hoist them high up the flagpole and salute them reagaradless of the their origins, color, or creed.
It is the others that gaul the hell out of me, and I have no sympathy for them whatsoever. It is those the comment was directed toward and none other.
Me, racist, HELL NO!!!

TexasBill

I thought raymond vonvon joseph was braging on the first page of his Haiti zin Observateur that Preval had retuned home with his gift basket full of goodies, well Preval has enough money to take care of his people (papa preval).
Where there is money to be made you will smell raymond putrid odor from miles

Bravo TexasBill!!!! Well said! Thank you!

who is editing this news. i think that the president of the usa is obama and not bush anymore.

rubi i really do not like this peek a boo gamet hat you are doing.
you want to see if you miss ok, ok, ok , we do.
comeback baby !!!!
matilda took me money and ran venezuela !
come back baby !!!!

ray vonvon joseph has not figured out yet how to make a buck out of this situation.
ray vonvon joseph have you heard the news ?aristide will return to Haiti this year.
ha ! ha! ha! ray vonvon this is a joke,calm down !!!!!!!!

TB, you're the definition of one-sided history. Go read a few Dependency Theory, then we can talk. You're proposing that the US has not benefited from "southern" countries - why then does it invest in FTZs? why then do they want to weaken trade barriers that inhibit the development of high-value-added industries? Many scholars hold that the US's trade policies and historic foreign policies create the conditions that cause for mass migrations...

For example, the link between the labor exporting countries and their "former" colonial masters - and yes, the US fits this mold for the Caribbean basin (Cuba, DR, Haiti, PR, & Central Am), just look at all the military interventions - are those historical bonds by which the former master used migration policies to maintain the status quo in its colonies. In the DR this meant "exiling" potential radicals during the 1960s and 70s, to ensure a stable pro-US Dominican government.

Additionally, just try to imagine the US w/o migrants to take care of the menial jobs. In short, the US has benefited and still benefits from "southern" countries and migrants, even the undocumented ones.

I'm a moron....Well, your a pansey candy a$$ed city boy, The violent and determined ALWAYS come out on top while the vasilating and "politicaly correct" are only heard from in history books. Our time will soon be at hand HA hA HA HA HA

Carp Diem Mother F*kcers

baldoria23;

Unlike many on this board, I make no apology for theactions of my government, present or past.
Like all governments, they make and have made decisions which conform with their foreign and domestic policies.
While I might not agree with all of the actions taken, I do reamain faithful to the overall intent of those actions,which is basically, do the least harm.
Additionally, I must vehemently disagree with you about US policy being the cause of the mass migrations from Latin America to the US and elsewhere. These migrations have been the result of gross government mismanagement of thesociety from which the migrations have occured. Also, I fail to see where severly cutting import duties on goods entering the US have had an adverse effect on local economies; especially when those governments have not cut thier own import duties on incoming US products. You accuse mewf re-writing history. It seems to me that by your own words you have attemptedto do the same.
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Cont'd from above;

As to the US fitting the "mold you describe, realative to being a "Colonial Power", I think you have been reading the wrong history books. t least those that describe the current status of US Territories; ie., Puerto Rico and The US Virgin Islands are the only places which have any connection with the US. The PR comes under the Congress of the US for certain financial matters and I'm not real sure about theVirgin Islands. Most certainly, theUS has not ever treated either place as a "colonial possession" by any definition of that condition. The PR has theprerrogative of electing to become a State, remain in their present status, or become independent at any time they wish. Is that Colonialism??? I think not, so you're really barking up the wrong tree and trying to make something true by mis-stating the circumstances when it isn't so at all. I really hate it when people do that.

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Cont'd from above;

As to militaray interventions, none have ever taken place, except ot physically reinforce existing policy regarding US interests. Panama, Grenada, Honduras/Nicaraugua and the DR have been ones that come immediately to mind. Haiti was at the request of the UN along with other nations, so don't point fingers at that occasion, it's not significant regardless of what you may think. Grenada was occupied by Cubans with the intent of taking over that island, Panama is self explanatory and with the agreement of the Panamanian people (Noreiga was a Drug Lord who needed to be replaced), H/N was an effort to surpess Laftist guerillas and I'm not sure it was successful. Oh yeah, I forgot about the Bay of Pigs Fiasco and aborted effort to oust Castro.
I'm sure you're familiar with the rightwing government of the times mentioned. Communism was and still is a dirty word in the US. It was a threat to the way of life we had then. I'm not so sure of the present.

TexasBill

you guys have not said too much about that guy raymond vonvon joseoh.

The evil empire is the biggest racist country in the planet!!!

"I have a dream"!!!

All this back and forth really doesn't matter because they shouldn't have been here in the first place and by coming they broke the law so they should be deported. Why should the U.S. be responsible for taking in everyone from poor countries? If that was the case the entire nation would crumble. It's the same for the Haitians being in DR. If you didn't come in legally you should expect to be deported. I think we all feel for the people of Haiti but laws need to be followed and abided by. Let's ask ourselves why Haiti was once the most prosperous colony in the caribbean but no longer are. Where is sense of responsibility? If the situation was reversed you know damn well Haiti would be deporting everyone.
And yes the U.S. government is full of hypocrites. If they don't want illegal immigrants they should mind their business about DR deporting.

Send them to that great bastion of freedom and tolerance... CANADA!!

Another hyphinated group that does not want to assimilate. Haitian-Amercians, Cuban-Americans, they are all examples of a people who do not want to be American.

You're either American, or you aren't!!

Haitians think, believe and act like scumbags always having poor arrogant attitude, is like acting like a white man and living like a wild animal!!!!

Rubi , when it is about dehumanizing, demonizing a group of people you fear or hate you vocabulary is rich and you excel
in spiting nasty narratives. But it is about debading serious issues wher the intellect are needed
you retire into your obscure hole.
You play dead and we have to beg you to come out.
But as soon the issue is about cursing the Haitians they can see in front carrying the fear and hate flag

etiennc;

What this isall about is a group, any group, who have the audacity to assume they have the right to illegally enter any country then demand that that country accept them becausethey are already there.
They have proven that they have no respect for the laws of that country, so why should they be accepted? Just because they are already in place? No Thank you, my friend, because that is not the way citizens think in the USA.
You can screan, whoop & holler all you want to, but in thefinal analysis what your dealing with is a bunch of scumbags demanding something just because they want it. Stealing from their neighbor is no different from what they are doing by demanding acceptance without going through the PROPER LEGAL PROCESS.
You think by making enough noise about "HUMAN RIGHTS" will do the trick? Not in my book it won't. Maybe the ultra liberal segment of do-gooders will accept this but not me andI'll fight it to the bitter end.

TexasBill

I'll be returning to the States very soon, and you can expect to hear my voice joining others in this ongoing battle for the RIGHTS OF US CITIZENS as opposed to the so-called rights of ILLEGAL ALIENS presently residing in my homeland.
I'll leave it up to the Dominicans to solve their own problems, if they can.

TexasBill

"You think by making enough noise about "HUMAN RIGHTS" will do the trick? Not in my book it won't. Maybe the ultra liberal segment of do-gooders will accept this but not me andI'll fight it to the bitter end.

TexasBill
"
How are you going to fight that TexasBill ? some posters may consider joining you in that journey. Do you care to share?.

It's funny the USA want to deport 30,000 Haitians in the other hand hell break loose if DR attempt to do the same thing, how do you explain such a contradiction ? what ever happened to countries that lead on what they preach.

Texas bill
"Shark is the only fish that gets a bad name from all the fishes that kill people in the sea"
One dau you will know how many Mexicans Colombians Venezualans that enter the domincan Republic illegally
I give you one more day and you will stop posting your long diatribes, You will be suffering from BS fatigue Your hand will get tired from this excersise in futily.
You will stop posting comments when you realize that LEonel Fernadez , the Dominicans politicians , the eline and the majority of dominicans do not read your posts and coul not care less what you think.

Etiennc:

He is 100% American and can tell who is full of it, even foreigners not related to either country can
tell how futile, dumbass and annoying can be dealing with the Haitian tiresome agenda with the
BS human rights, racism, victim role that Haitians enjoy to play against Dominicans.

etiennc;
You can give me ONE MORE DAY and I'll take it. Then you will have to give me ONE MORE DAY again and again, which I'll take regardless of whether you give me any others or not!
The PRIMARY PROBLEM lies in the acceptanace by people such as yourself of things the fovernment does without even trying to do anything about it.
All the Huelgas that take place area over small things that don't seem to affect anyone but those who are doing the protesting. BUT, let me tell you THIS: If you scream loud enough and long enough, your voicewill be heard! That is if you REALLY GIVE A DAMN about your country and what is taking place undear your very nose.
Problem is, you really don't give a damn, so you get just exactly what you vote for andask for. NOTHING that will help those who really need the help.
This government runs the numbers on projects to their satisfaction, then publishes these falxe numbers for public consumption without checking their accuracy.
Cont'd

Cont'd from above.

The latest is that the numbers projected for Metro usage have been mised by 50%. Of the 175,,, people to use the Metro, there have been only 60,000 +- to actually use that facility. How about them apples, you winp?
You might check on other things the government has been telling you ,while you're at it, and uncover all the lies you're being fed over the years.
Since this thread is about ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION in the US, I don't hesitate ONE SECOND to voice my utter disgust about what is being rammed down the throats of the American People by a bunch of corrupt, egotistical, and self-centered Legislators in Washington and the organizations who are backing the so-called "COMPREHENSIVE IMMIGRATION REFORM:.
Whaat is needed by all, including theDR, is a CONCENTRATION ON ENFORCING EXISTING LAWS already on the books in both countries.
If you don't agree with me, then so be it, I'll still fight the bastards anyway I can.

TexasBill

TB:

Great post!!!!

Hey TexasBill what is your status in the Dominican republic ? are you for the deportation of the citizens of your current host country ?. Your empire is crumbling because of your excessive greed my friend....do something. Soon your time will be up and you will have to pay up what you owe to China and the Saudis.

I think it's wise to stay away from any argument involving both countries, since your track record speak for itself TexasBill, what is your plan for the island,? are you concoting a scheme a la iraq?
you are babling all over the place from immigration to Metro, maldita bebida.

If the wall does not stop the mexican from comming, get ready to start using your rusty spanglish. In other word Mr TexasBill wannabe champion of the free world you are a pure hyprocrite.

antonioj;
FYI, I am a permanent resident of the DR.
However, as soon as thevisas for my wife and children are approved, we all will be moving to the USA.The "deportation laws" of each country are designed to affect those people who chose to NOT ABIDE by the laws and who have committed crimes (felonies and misdemeanors) against the indigenent society. So, YES, I am FOR the deportation of those citizens of my host country who commit a deportable crime against theUS society, the same thing for those citizens of the US who commit a deportable crime against the Dominican society and laws. That's at ALL levels.
My country was led by a religious nimcompoop who couldn't really see what was happening, or totally ignored the warning signs of failure.
I can make no excuses for the administration whose lack of a wider focus on domestic and world events which have led up to this financial cunumdrum now being faced.
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Cont'sd from above;

As to the refereance of "greed", I must assume you are refering to thaat element expresseed by the "sub-prime " mortages in theUS and their proliferation into theworld-wide financial market. For my part, the perpetrators should be casterated and hung out to dry. But then, we have all sorts of these types of people in the world and Canada is no different when it comes to mentally corrupted individuals.
Needless to say, the people of the US will "pay up what is owed to China and the Saudis" for several generations to come. We'll give them the role of supporting all the other corrupt governments of the world and see how they like it.
You really need to read some of the positive historical facts about the US before making your snide comments in that arena. We have spent BILLIONS on countries in the past---feeling hurt because you didn't get any of the largess??
Your right, my track record does speak for itself. Ask the many posters on this board and on DR1 .

My plan for theIsland of Hispaniola is to let it sink in it's own stink of corruption and inept politicians.
I have no plans to concoct any schenme "a la iraq" FYI. Why should I. I'm only one person who thinks the country has a failed government anyway. They certainly don't have a Republic dedicated to Democracy, no do they? Not when the underlying system is couched in the feudalism of the1100-1500 time frame.
I have detected nothing hypocritical about any of my posts to date, FYI. That seems to be only your interpretation of things posted. Maybe you should go back and read them all. you might just learn something about me in doing so.
You would find that I'm neither Democrat nor Republican. Just an Independent old geezer who has seen more of poverty andhard work than you will ever be able to imagine. I grew up during the Great DAs to "concocting a scheme a la Iraq", I think that is totally uncalled for and you demean yourself for mentioning it at all.

After all, your own Canada joined forces in both conflicts, which rid the world of another follower of the Hitler syndrome. Insupportof that comment, read thehistory ofthe BA'ATH Party in Syria and Iraq, itismodeled after Nazi Germany and Hitler's Nazi Party. Are you, perhaps an adherent of that infamous movement??
I'll leave you with this thought::

Read Rudyard Kiplings classic poem "IF". That represents the philosophy of life that I follow.
You just might get a bit of inspirataion from it.

TexasBill

TexasBill, that was agreat post.
Educated and passionate and then what ?
you could be a great history professor . You could study,teach predict the history of these two contries.
But as far of being a leader and influence the events and the order of thigs there ,I sincerly doubt it.
Well keep doing what you do best " History Teaching.
I must tell you I have learned a lot from you but I will not vote for you.
Surprise ! you did not even know that i could vote here in the US and in The Dominican Republic elections

etiennc01;

Since I am a product of theFreat Depression and nearly 30 years of Military service, I think I have a fairly good idea of who I am.
You said theabove was a great post andfor that I thank you. As to being a teacher of History, I think not, since my knowledge in that field is drawn from personal observation and my interpretation of theeventstha have unfolded before my eyes. And, yes, Ihave rad a great eal of history from books by authors who presented the evidence of that history with aclarity anda wonderful command of the English language.
As to voting fro me, it won't be necessary to withhold that element of your prerogatives since I am not a political person and have never harboured any desire to hold a political office because I do not relish exercises in futility, nor do I hold politicians in high regard. To me they occupy the same place in society as what I refer to as "jicky-jack used car salesmen". There are "Statesmen" then there are "Politicians".

TexsBill