NEW YORK.- The Dominican Raul Perez Diaz, 26, an alleged member of the gang “Dominicans Don’t Play” (DDP), was killed around 7 p.m. Sunday from a stab in the back in Saint Nicholas avenue and 144th St. and yesterday, members of the rival gang “Los Trinitarios” disrupted his wake in the Rivera funeral, on 173rd St. of the same avenue.
Witnesses said the funeral services for Diaz, a native of Santiago was disrupted by a members of Los Trinitarios, wielding guns and knives, seeking “revenge” against the DDP, which tried to drive them out in a dispute over turf.
Some of the gang’s members hurled bottles at the funeral home, which prompted around 20 police agents to respond, many of them from the New York Police’s Anti Gang Unit, arresting more than 10 Trinitarios and seizing an unspecified number of guns.
The deceased gang member’s parents requested police protection from fear fo an attack by the Trinitarios.
New York Police specialists say the “extremely dangerous” Trinitarios is the fastest growing Latino gang in the city, where more than 30 of its members have been arrested for various crimes in just three blocks of Upper Manhattan
The Trinitarios, whose colors are the Dominican flag and shield, and a machete, have become the DDP’s main rivals, staging confrontations in zones of the five boroughs.
According to police, the Trinitarios recruit their members from middle and high schools, 20 years of age and younger, whose “initiation” includes murders, armed robbery and drug trafficking.
Written by: xwill7, 23 Apr 2009 11:23 AM
From: United States, Chicago
And this is why Americans feel that Dominicans are ghetto
Written by: Edward, 23 Apr 2009 11:28 AM
From: United States, Faux News: Unfair Imbalance
Hey at least they use knives and not guns LOL
Written by: xwill7, 23 Apr 2009 11:31 AM
From: United States, Chicago
These are the same scum bags that get deported and come back to DR to ruin paradise
Written by: SALSOUL, 23 Apr 2009 11:59 AM
From: Dominican Republic, UNC-Chapel Hill
Why is the media covering this? This is a waste of time, money, and energy!
From: United States
xwill, you have the same main concern with most of the Dominicans living in Dominican Republic.
Crime !
You should concentrate your posts in this area
Written by: xwill7, 23 Apr 2009 12:03 PM
From: United States, Chicago
I would like to see them fight a real American gang with machetes... LOL they would all die. I wonder what happens if you are are working landscape and are using a machete to cut down some weeds, do you get shot because someone thinks that you are in a Dominican gang? What a joke
Written by: Gizmo 
, 23 Apr 2009 12:23 PM
From: United States
These are the idiots that give us a bad name pure chumps!
Written by: Belly, 23 Apr 2009 12:24 PM
From: Dominican Republic, San Francisco and Houston,Texas
Good maybe they can kill each other and we won't end up with this garbage in DR.
Written by: xwill7, 23 Apr 2009 12:34 PM
From: United States, Chicago
Feel sorry for the good residents that live in those turf war areas. Spring is here, the cockroaches of NY have come out to play
Written by: Bailarin , 23 Apr 2009 1:11 PM
From: Dominican Republic
TRANQUILO todos ! its just basic training for them before Leonel flys them back to rumble with the HELLS Angels ... From there , they will advance to the Haitian border.....
Written by: xwill7, 23 Apr 2009 2:33 PM
From: United States, Chicago
Bailarin,
do you actually want these idiots back on the island???
Written by: Bailarin , 23 Apr 2009 2:46 PM
From: Dominican Republic
They are no worst than many of the idiots already there .... Hmmm.. Its just keeping the pulse of paradise consistant .. When they come to da big apple and get a smell of Uncle SAM ,THEY wants to be gangstas n proovs dem self ...word g ..when they get deported from Ellis island , its only a matter of weeks before they''re getting backed doored by big popi in them 5 star pimped out barbed wired island getaway hotels you were talking about...
Written by: xwill7, 23 Apr 2009 2:55 PM
From: United States, Chicago
LOL. I have heard too many guys in DR say... Im going to the US to make fast money in whatever way possible. They don't know that they will get caught here in USA, and if you do anything bad and try to hide in DR. They will find you and make you pay... When will they learn?
From: United States, Long Island New York, Montecristi RD
No surprise here. My step son is from Quisqueya Heights 158th and Broadway and it is mostly the worse of the Dominican culture I'm sorry to say. What's even more sad it the fact that these inbreds are using the name La Trinitarios as their gang name. La Trinitaria was led by Duarte in the fight for independence from Haiti and it should not be tarnished by a bunch of idiots. Ughhhhhh
Written by: xwill7, 23 Apr 2009 3:26 PM
From: United States, Chicago
misshi,
That is a nasty area. I can't believe that some people from those areas in NYC go back to DR and say that USA is an ugly place to live. Hello!!! look at the address you are living in the ghetto... Some parts of New Jersey are also infected by those gang Dominicans
From: United States
But, know what? These are not illegals, these are kids that grew up in New York. Gang affiliations is on the rise all over the U.S. White Arian affiliations are on the rise, so are Bloods, Latin Kings etc etc... We are returning to the days back in the 70s when gang membership was in style and a way of increasing your self image, with girls, and other boys, young men your age.
This is spreading to the suburbs as well, it's not just a city problem. Kids all over are affiliating themselves to show off, many not realizing the depth of involvement until it's too late. You get busted, stabbed, killed, whatever. They make it difficult to leave once you're in and I suspect many kids don't really understand this.
From: United States, Long Island New York, Montecristi RD
Xwill7,
yep these people are the ones that make Dominicans look so bad.
And yea, there is a lot of crime in the Dominican Republic but there is a mighty difference between Dominicans living in the D.R. and the Dominican Americans living in these shitty areas. I woud enjoy the company of any Dominican living in the D.R. over one living in Washington Heights any day! They congregate in these areas and all of a sudden all common sense and everything their parents have taught them is lost! Trust me I know! I'm from N.Y. and I just moved to Lawrence Massachusetts, the second U.S. community with the highest percntage of Dominicans. You prtty much feel like youre in D.R. except all the guys pants are hanging off their asses and everyone is a Latin King, but hey it does beat New York! Uhhh can't wait to finish my house in Montecristi and give my son a real upbringing!
Written by: xwill7, 23 Apr 2009 3:51 PM
From: United States, Chicago
misshi,
I hear you.. .If I could make the same cash that I make in DR as I do in USA. I would be at my condo in Santiago drinking some Brugal, but USA is where the money is at. I was in DR a few months ago and when I arrived at the airport, another flight from NYC arrived like 10 minutes after me. WOW you could see some of these scum getting off of the NY plane.
From: United States, Long Island New York, Montecristi RD
LOL xwill Santiago is where I fly into and that's where I come from-JFK in NYC. Just be thankful you don't have to fly with them!!!! My friend works at JFK doing DR boarding and she has some crazy + funny stories!
From: United States, MD
should deport them all..i feel that those are the immigrants that should be deported, because what good are they doing in the country, they're giving dominicans AND latinos a bad name. Thats why so many americas want to deport all the hispanics because they see these types of incidents occuring......its such a shame and much sympathy for the family of the young boy
life is too precious to waste it on some stupid gang that have no meaning what so ever expect for gaining property that is not legally theirs
Written by: xwill7, 23 Apr 2009 4:23 PM
From: United States, Chicago
Misshi,
I always have to make a connection in Miami, Atlanta or NYC to get to Santiago. I actually have a flight next month and will connect through NYC (jetblue had a good price) LOL so I will fly with some of them.
DRbabi,
if you deport them, they will become worst. Do you actually think that the Dominican laws will stop them???
From: Dominican Republic, Santiago
when people ask where i live in the US, i am alllllways quick to say "Chicago" even though everyone wants to automatically default me to NY. i have been to NYC, not to any Dom. neighborhoods, but it sounds like i've probably dodged a bullet there...literally!
only 28 dias mas and i'm back in santiago-city!! woohoo... but sounds like things might be safer there anyway. sux for NYers tryin' to make an honest living, but i gotta tell ya that i'd rather these idiots be there...sorry!
From: United States
xwill7 did you say that you would be relaxing in your condo in Santiago siping your brugal
I thought you would be by the border with your machettes inciting your followers to chop heads.
The more I read your posts the more I discorver that you have multiple personalities.
One violent and one jovial and laid back. A kind of Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde
Written by: Amber, 23 Apr 2009 9:11 PM
From: United States
I live in Kentucky, and honestly I'm so glad that there are so few Dominicans here. The ones that I have met are either professionals or working regular lawful jobs. I never feel uncomfortable saying that I was born in the D R. They don't know about our dark side
From: United States, Fresh Water Paradise-NY Finger Lakes
Amber,
Every race has a dark side. The Italians, the Irish, the Germans, the English, the French, the Spaniards..........., the Russians, etc. I live by a motto premised on making no excuses for anybody, and I just recognize morality and the difference between right and wrong.
I live in a lily-white, mostly "born again" and right-wing conservative, enclave in the Finger Lakes region of the communist-leaning state of New York. Not once, in any situation, have I ever been resentful of my Dominican heritage, in any setting! I know we have our share of bad apples, but so does every race. When people here point out corruption and crime, I remind them of New Jersey, Pennsylvania and Illinois. When they talk about poverty, I remind them of the southwestern states and Mississippi and Alabama . This always works, and soon they agree that these problems exist everywhere.
We have lots to be proud of: a beautiful country; great climate; first university in hew world, etc.
From: United States, Fresh Water Paradise-NY Finger Lakes
Amber,
Please be proud of your Dominican heritage and do everything possible to increase cultural awareness, raise the stature of our beautiful country. If a few of us were to exercise this practice, many would imitate us and pretty soon we would change everyone's negative and primitive view of our country.
From this day forth, let us all endeavor to extol the virtues of our country and promote it abroad and change the negative prevailing perception of same. Let us increase our own cultural awareness and become good ambassadors for our nation. With incremental small steps-who knows? we might even fundamentally change our govt and do away with institutionalized corruption.
Anyway, I think the time is correct for all of us to become better Dominicans, and proceed to effect changes for the better.
Thank you.
From: United States, Long Island New York, Montecristi RD
ChicaBlanca-
Perhaps I spoke too soon. I love New York-Long Island, Queens, Brooklyn, Bronx,Staten Island, Manhattan. My only greater love is D.R. My entire family history and who I am lies within that small radius and I am never afraid to walk around even on St. Nicholas. It's who I am. I love nothing more than going to the Dominican Day Parades and even th P.R. parades with my best friend. There is a lot of love in New York but there are also a bunch of assholes! The thing about New York is you just keep to yourself and mind your business and stay away from the negativity, youll be good unless you end up with a really bad case of the wrong place at the wrong time. The people who usually get shot and murdered are the people who are gang members or drug dealers and were up to no good in the first place anyway.
From: United States, Long Island New York, Montecristi RD
I'm just saying that the Dominican Americans I've come into contact with from these NYC barrios and even here where I just moved in Mass, they are so completely different from the people living in D.R. And I don't want my son being raised around those type of people. I want him togrow up being proud of who he is without feeling like he needs to be a Latin King to do it. It's not New York. It's some of the idiots living there
Written by: vacanos, 23 Apr 2009 11:14 PM
From: United States
This concept of Dominican gangs started in the late 80's. First generation of Dominicans kids raised in New York. Mostly both of their parents working full time had little or no supervision of their kids that created a void in most of these kids life. I remember going to high school in the bronx black American and English speaking second and third generation of immigrants got together to jump on us at every opportunity. We Dominicans stick together. If they jumped on us the next day we jumped them and these happened in basically in all high school across the city. That created a bond between all Dominicans to help each other when we were attacked. In all this some people took it to the extreme and never really healed their wound when they started calling themselves DDP in the early 90's.
Written by: Amber, 23 Apr 2009 11:27 PM
From: United States
We need to act more civilized at home and abroad. Recently, my sister and I were flying back from Europe out of Spain and it was terribly embarrassing to see how the flight attendants had to spend so much time sending Dominicans (our unmistakable accent) back to the coach section because they - children and adults - kept on sneaking into first class cabin.
Then, at the airport in Sto Dgo, there was this family eating hot dogs and to my dismay, everything that they didn't want - pieces of bread, ketsup, napkins - went straight to the floor. Mind you that there was a trash can nearby. I was so disgusted that I couldn't remain silent. I explained to them about cucarachas, enfermedades, the importance of cooperation in keeping our beautiful country clean, etc, etc. They all looked at me like I was talking in chinese. A man who could see my anger (and probably didn't want to hear my kvetching) went ahead and picked up the discarded items and threw them in the trash
From: United States, (on Sabbatical)
Written by: richardalberto, 23 Apr 2009 3:27 PM
From: United States
We are returning to the days back in the 70s when gang membership was in style...
What a shame another hermanito has died in a DR on DR crime!
I'm from the Heights; in the 70's I attended 2 funerals at Rivera Funeral Home;
In 71: My brother-in-law Santiago Rodriguez, and my partner Playboy "El Hondureño" both killed in violent manner; Chago was a Gypsy Cab driver killed in a stick-up, and Playboy was stabbed in the back by one of the Latin Demons.;
In '96 my ex-wife (died of cancer) had her funeral services there.
New York is no joke; It never was!
In the 70's I was in the Caribbean Kings from 177 St & Amsterdam;
We had beef with everybody: Yet we got along with all cliques such asThe Savage Nomads (BX) ;
and The Galaxies (163). then there were the Falcons of 160 St., The Blue Demons of 164 St., The Saints of 135 St., The TNT's (Fafa's crew) from Dyckman, etc. Those were mean days, son!
From: United States, (on Sabbatical)
Written by: vacanos, 23 Apr 2009 11:14 PM
From: United States
This concept of Dominican gangs started in the late 80's.
I beg to differ:
We started those things in NYC in full force in the late 60's, Vacanos!
When you went to Central Park...They had the Central Park Kings...
When you went to Orchard Beach, or Coney Island, or Rockaway..You know the city's beaches there were confrontations...so, the fellows started uniting; 1969-1970 we had several violent attacks on our "off the boat" brethren in G-Dubs, and there was a concerted effort to stop the Brothers from continuing to disrespect our brethren.....At G-Dubs several fights broke out that established Dominicans as people to be feared;
The Galaxies (Leo, Verdugo, Vaquita,Dumbo, Lincoln, El Bum, Elpidio, Rhadames, Mauricio)
The Saints (Omar, Chacha, Satan)
The Falcons (Chocolate, Cheche, Popeye,Castaldi, Cacao)
The TNT's (Chacha)
These brave youngsters from DR paved the way in the 70's; I know I was there!
Written by: Bailarin , 24 Apr 2009 8:42 AM
From: Dominican Republic
''
Its a beautiful day in the neighborhood , wont you be mine , wont you be mine ..''
Fred Rogers ..( 1972,; inspired from his land of make believe T.v series that he wrote while sipping brugal in his Santiago condo after moving from the bronx.. Sorry to say , but these days there is just as much if not more white american and European trash polluting the streets of the D.R as there is 50 cent wanna be gangstas ....Some of it is riding thier Harleys down Pedro Clisante and some of it flys in on thier migs and build hotel casinos and cat houses..The rest drive down here on thier zambonis from north of the border and employ personal Haitiano lambones to teach them ghetto spanish and show them where to buy thier Brahma for under 50 pesos a bottle........
Written by: FMT1010, 24 Apr 2009 9:04 AM
From: United States
These young people are wasting their lives and destroying the lives of the families... Here in the US they have an opportunity to better themselves and yet they choose guns and drugs....what a pity!
Written by: xwill7, 24 Apr 2009 9:52 AM
From: United States, Chicago
ethenic,
LOL... You are too funny, I don't know how you could say that I would be at the border with my machete. I do not have any thing against Haitians, I have alot of Haitian friends and find that they are good people.
Misshi,
Its good that you are aware of who your kids are hanging out with. I think that alot of kids that join gangs come from a house where the parents did not ask questions or never dedicate enough time for their kids.
From: United States
Bailarin. you open a business and you kill the competitors.You kill to protect your turf.
The iIalian mafia did it.
This has nothing to do with white trash emplyoing Haitians in DR.
Now the white american and european trash that you are talking about is another social disease
that we must be dealt with.It is not the cause of young Dominican opening the lucrative business of selling drugs here in the US.
All ethnic groups do it.It is supply and demand.
Futhermore young Dominicans do not have the fast boats to bring the drug in great quantity.
Someone is bringing the guns in their community. Their high school are failing them and there is no hope to get a decent well paying jobs for those who chose to be decent citizen.
Everybody is loosing their kids to the system.
There is enough blame to pass around.Do not look for the cause nor the solutionof this problem from back home.
Written by: Bailarin , 24 Apr 2009 10:16 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Im Italian , not ilalian..lol....Oh, man,,,not another brain child ....You must be one of those intimadated old sex tourists who feels his lifestyle in paradise chasing 16 year old girls around Boca Chica is being threatened while believing your own morality exceeds that of all the above mentioned...Wow , they accuse me of being a holier than thou apostle..lol Do all you people really believe that hell has a much hotter spot waitng for drug smuggling Bikers gangs than for fat old perverts that expoit the poverty of young Dominican women...??
From: United States
145 - 160s continues to be rough, but anyone living in the Heights right now can hear, feel, see the winds of change blowing. The long time Dominican 'townies' still predominate but even walking down St. Nicholas or Amsterdam you can now see a lot of diversity. Young arrivals are fearless in the daylight, and also quickly becoming politically organized. I agree with you guys that as the economy settles into this new, less stable groove we will see the return of gang culture ... but I promise you we will not be seeing the Heights of the 80s or even early 90s return. As typical in a diverse barrio it will boil down to which strip you are on.
Written by: xwill7, 24 Apr 2009 10:47 AM
From: United States, Chicago
I heard that there is a huge rat and roach problem in that area
From: United States
Also I don't want to challenge the long experience many of you are drawing on but do want to remind that it isn't fair to judge the Heights only by the tipos on corners. Don't forget the businessmen behind counters and the invisible families inside the buildings trying their best. There were plenty of fine outcomes in my generation, not all become garbage not even the majority. I hate to now engage in finger pointing but honestly my experience is that the very worst of the scum are Dominicans who arrived as small children, but didn't bother to assimilate. By and large my friends who are first-generation born Americans are the ones who competed school and got good jobs, while the ones who arrived 8-12 years old seemed more prone to fall to temptation.
Written by: xwill7, 24 Apr 2009 11:24 AM
From: United States, Chicago
Manhat,
I hope that you are right, most young Dominicans only care about who has the most expensive sun glasses/clothes/jipeta, etc... They all want to go back to DR and show off like they are rich when in fact they are broke here in USA
Written by: curlando, 24 Apr 2009 11:54 AM
From: United States
Must be drug money involved with the turf war. I know these gangs are not fighting for smelly city city blocks they do not own. I am glad I am in my forties.
Written by: xwill7, 24 Apr 2009 12:13 PM
From: United States, Chicago
curlando,
it does not matter if you are in your forties. If you are doing some yard work with a machete, you might get shot
From: United States
I am a native New Yorker, born in Brooklyn. Grew up during the sixties and seventies in the gang life..
No I am not a native of RD but now I live happily in RD and aquired my Dominican citizenship.
Yes I left the United States to live in the Dominican Republic because it is a better way to live.
I believe there are idiots in every ethnic group, we African-Americans definitely have our share.
In every group they are a small percentage knuckleheads. But the majority of Dominicans are beautiful, hospitable and loving people. I will take Puerto Plata over New York any day of the week...
Money isn't always everything, it doesn't always buy happiness.
Just ask the parents that have to bury their son at the Rivera Funeral Home.
From: United States
Bailarin
A dialogue is when you agree with me
A discussion is when you are trying to persuade me to agree with you.
A debate is when you are tring to persuade an audience( the other posters) to agree with you.
Going after my typing error just proves to me that you can not do either one.
There is something that you have that I do not have: the monopoly of insults.
What concernsus here all of us from dominican background is the future of these kids that are being dumoped in substandard schols that do not teach them even to read and write after the graduated High School.
Drugs, guns are being dumped in their neighbourhood.
Finally ,they end end up in jail which provides a pay check for the you know who and when they finish thier in jail thay are dumped back on Dominican soil.
You are too busy watching with envy old men going after 16 old girls to worry about this problem.
I am glad you went to DR as a missionary to preach the Gospel.
Can't bullshi+++ a bulshi+ter
Written by: Donsiras, 24 Apr 2009 4:53 PM
From: United States
I am surprised by the number of responses and all the emotions, memories, and history, but what is the essense of this all? This has been and continues and will continue to be an epidemic in our communities. There is always a reason why things happen and every cause has an effect; thus how can we make a change of some kind in a positive direction? I am sure that gangs are started based on a foundation of leadership, unity and brotherhood, security and protection, respect, and so many other fundamental and beautiful ideals, but what does it convert into? It saddens me to see people hurting other people for all reasons other than true self sefense. Our young people are destroying their lives, dropping out of school, (the fastest growing rate of high school drop outs is among Latinos, better yet, Dominicans); they are bringing violence to our beautiful women at home, becoming dangers to society, astray from the lay and any regulations but those inflicted by organizations that turn ideals
From: United States
What an embarrassment to the country and to our culture. Ask these hoodlums if they can read and write and the answer will probably be uh, no!!!
Going off tangent for a moment, last summer I was waiting for the #1 train the day of the Dominican Day Parade. The behavior of the young Dominicans on the train was appalling beyond comparison. They were jumping on the seats, scaring passengers and acting like savages. It looks as though there are no moral boundaries any more, no etiquette, protocol, no social skills. Frankly it is disgusting.
I hope the authorities do something about this, this is very very dangerous.
From: United States, (on Sabbatical)
Written by: Donsiras, 24 Apr 2009 4:53 PM
From: United States
I am surprised by the number of responses and all the emotions, memories, and history, but what is the essense of this all?
Donsiras:
Here's the moral of the flashbacks, and bios for the "Johnny-Come- Lately's":
1.Gangs have been a part of NYC since day one;
2.People who wanted to raise functional families moved out as soon as they could to the suburbs or went back home for their safety and sanity;
3.All types of people have traditionally inhabited NYC; Many are what we call in DR: Chusma, or a sub-culture that has low morals, and operate on a different value system;
When you put all these factors together into 5 boroughs there's bound to be crime, violence, and deaths.
It's like that; And that's the way it is!
From: Israel
'It's like that; And that's the way it is!'
ArsenioALembertJr
I've read all the posts, but ArsenioALembertJr's posts are the most baffeling, he was a member of a gang in the 60/70s and seems chuffed about it event to this day, speaks about it's members as buddies that fought hard (litterally) to gain respect and again seemed chuffed with the resulting respect, he says that that is the way it was and that is the way it will be.
We amigo it seems that your current attitude (even after all these years) is exactly the mentality that may fuel these current gangs into expanding, imature narrow-minded beliefs in a happier existence by waving guns and muscle gaining artificial power and wealth that will ultimately go down a darker route.
Glad to hear a lot of sence from most Dominicans on the site though
From: Israel
'These brave youngsters from DR paved the way in the 70's; I know I was there! '
ArsenioALembertJr
Are you proud of the current situation, Dominican gang against Dominican gang
What a mess!
Sadly buy reading your posts I think you like the limelight that is being created, and you remenise
Written by: xwill7, 28 Apr 2009 11:27 AM
From: United States, Chicago
ladominicanita,
are you sure that they are all your ex? i think that you are playing them. LOL... you better be careful with those guys cuz when the car gets shot you might be inside and get hurt. Get yourself a real Dominican man
From: United States, (on Sabbatical)
Batman-Bueno:
We amigo it seems that your current attitude (even after all these years) is exactly the mentality that may fuel these current gangs into expanding, imature narrow-minded beliefs in a happier existence by waving guns and muscle gaining artificial power and wealth that will ultimately go down a darker route.
Batman: Son, You should have been at G Dubs when los morenos were beating women in the hallways, and humiliating their brothers; You don't know the half, Batman!
Before you make a judgement about a person, first read the context of what they are saying!
I don't glamorize Gang life; but, if you were living in my shoes in 1969, you'd understand, son!
I don't condone violence, I don't condone drugging and pimping; I just know that if these young men I referred to hadn't fought for their respect; You'd be living in the Bat Cave with Robin; You'd never be able to walk on Broadway.
pow, bam,
Written by: casimiro, 29 Apr 2009 2:42 PM
From: United States
Sad and disgraceful! I am ashamed of this activity to take place. I only pray for the best.
In the same reference and with the same energy, I ask that DT feature positive stories of the great work Dominican youth from Washington Heights are also involved in.
I adopted, as a mentor, a group of approximately 25-30 students from Salome Urena / IS 218 (196th Street and Broadway) back in 1992. I committed countless hours with these incredible young people and until today I am still involved in their lives at some capacity or another. Today I proudly share with you that all of these kids have done well in life and are extremely productive citizens of the same featured community you now showcase in your story.
Today they are: PhDs, Executives, Entrepreneurs, Leaders, Bankers, Attorneys, Philanthropists, Technologists and socially responsible. They are a classic example of, that it is not where you come from or live in, but the guidance and positive role models you're exposed to.
Written by: MEVS21, 10 May 2009 10:56 PM
From: United States
As I scrolled down and read these comments that bashed Dominicans and our culture I have never been so disgusted with people in my life.
This article was about the gang violence on NYC streets. The most easily influenced age group are adolescents. This is something that is seen in EVERY neighborhood. No matter where you live, your neighborhood has its low points too.
Gang Violence is a national problem. You cannot act like the only types of gangs out there are Dominican gangs. Every culture is not perfect, every culture has a gang or people who deviate from cultural norms. For people to have the nerve to post the things they did on this site and embarrass themselves is sad and completely ridiculous. I feel bad for you and I hope you educate yourself and get rid of your ignorance.
There are MANY Dominicans out there who are successful. We must embrace our culture.
From: United Kingdom
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You should concentrate your posts in this area
do you actually want these idiots back on the island???
That is a nasty area. I can't believe that some people from those areas in NYC go back to DR and say that USA is an ugly place to live. Hello!!! look at the address you are living in the ghetto... Some parts of New Jersey are also infected by those gang Dominicans
This is spreading to the suburbs as well, it's not just a city problem. Kids all over are affiliating themselves to show off, many not realizing the depth of involvement until it's too late. You get busted, stabbed, killed, whatever. They make it difficult to leave once you're in and I suspect many kids don't really understand this.
yep these people are the ones that make Dominicans look so bad.
And yea, there is a lot of crime in the Dominican Republic but there is a mighty difference between Dominicans living in the D.R. and the Dominican Americans living in these shitty areas. I woud enjoy the company of any Dominican living in the D.R. over one living in Washington Heights any day! They congregate in these areas and all of a sudden all common sense and everything their parents have taught them is lost! Trust me I know! I'm from N.Y. and I just moved to Lawrence Massachusetts, the second U.S. community with the highest percntage of Dominicans. You prtty much feel like youre in D.R. except all the guys pants are hanging off their asses and everyone is a Latin King, but hey it does beat New York! Uhhh can't wait to finish my house in Montecristi and give my son a real upbringing!
I hear you.. .If I could make the same cash that I make in DR as I do in USA. I would be at my condo in Santiago drinking some Brugal, but USA is where the money is at. I was in DR a few months ago and when I arrived at the airport, another flight from NYC arrived like 10 minutes after me. WOW you could see some of these scum getting off of the NY plane.
life is too precious to waste it on some stupid gang that have no meaning what so ever expect for gaining property that is not legally theirs
I always have to make a connection in Miami, Atlanta or NYC to get to Santiago. I actually have a flight next month and will connect through NYC (jetblue had a good price) LOL so I will fly with some of them.
DRbabi,
if you deport them, they will become worst. Do you actually think that the Dominican laws will stop them???
only 28 dias mas and i'm back in santiago-city!! woohoo... but sounds like things might be safer there anyway. sux for NYers tryin' to make an honest living, but i gotta tell ya that i'd rather these idiots be there...sorry!
I thought you would be by the border with your machettes inciting your followers to chop heads.
The more I read your posts the more I discorver that you have multiple personalities.
One violent and one jovial and laid back. A kind of Dr Jekyll and Mr Hyde
Every race has a dark side. The Italians, the Irish, the Germans, the English, the French, the Spaniards..........., the Russians, etc. I live by a motto premised on making no excuses for anybody, and I just recognize morality and the difference between right and wrong.
I live in a lily-white, mostly "born again" and right-wing conservative, enclave in the Finger Lakes region of the communist-leaning state of New York. Not once, in any situation, have I ever been resentful of my Dominican heritage, in any setting! I know we have our share of bad apples, but so does every race. When people here point out corruption and crime, I remind them of New Jersey, Pennsylvania and Illinois. When they talk about poverty, I remind them of the southwestern states and Mississippi and Alabama . This always works, and soon they agree that these problems exist everywhere.
We have lots to be proud of: a beautiful country; great climate; first university in hew world, etc.
Please be proud of your Dominican heritage and do everything possible to increase cultural awareness, raise the stature of our beautiful country. If a few of us were to exercise this practice, many would imitate us and pretty soon we would change everyone's negative and primitive view of our country.
From this day forth, let us all endeavor to extol the virtues of our country and promote it abroad and change the negative prevailing perception of same. Let us increase our own cultural awareness and become good ambassadors for our nation. With incremental small steps-who knows? we might even fundamentally change our govt and do away with institutionalized corruption.
Anyway, I think the time is correct for all of us to become better Dominicans, and proceed to effect changes for the better.
Thank you.
Perhaps I spoke too soon. I love New York-Long Island, Queens, Brooklyn, Bronx,Staten Island, Manhattan. My only greater love is D.R. My entire family history and who I am lies within that small radius and I am never afraid to walk around even on St. Nicholas. It's who I am. I love nothing more than going to the Dominican Day Parades and even th P.R. parades with my best friend. There is a lot of love in New York but there are also a bunch of assholes! The thing about New York is you just keep to yourself and mind your business and stay away from the negativity, youll be good unless you end up with a really bad case of the wrong place at the wrong time. The people who usually get shot and murdered are the people who are gang members or drug dealers and were up to no good in the first place anyway.
Then, at the airport in Sto Dgo, there was this family eating hot dogs and to my dismay, everything that they didn't want - pieces of bread, ketsup, napkins - went straight to the floor. Mind you that there was a trash can nearby. I was so disgusted that I couldn't remain silent. I explained to them about cucarachas, enfermedades, the importance of cooperation in keeping our beautiful country clean, etc, etc. They all looked at me like I was talking in chinese. A man who could see my anger (and probably didn't want to hear my kvetching) went ahead and picked up the discarded items and threw them in the trash
From: United States
We are returning to the days back in the 70s when gang membership was in style...
What a shame another hermanito has died in a DR on DR crime!
I'm from the Heights; in the 70's I attended 2 funerals at Rivera Funeral Home;
In 71: My brother-in-law Santiago Rodriguez, and my partner Playboy "El Hondureño" both killed in violent manner; Chago was a Gypsy Cab driver killed in a stick-up, and Playboy was stabbed in the back by one of the Latin Demons.;
In '96 my ex-wife (died of cancer) had her funeral services there.
New York is no joke; It never was!
In the 70's I was in the Caribbean Kings from 177 St & Amsterdam;
We had beef with everybody: Yet we got along with all cliques such asThe Savage Nomads (BX) ;
and The Galaxies (163). then there were the Falcons of 160 St., The Blue Demons of 164 St., The Saints of 135 St., The TNT's (Fafa's crew) from Dyckman, etc. Those were mean days, son!
From: United States
This concept of Dominican gangs started in the late 80's.
I beg to differ:
We started those things in NYC in full force in the late 60's, Vacanos!
When you went to Central Park...They had the Central Park Kings...
When you went to Orchard Beach, or Coney Island, or Rockaway..You know the city's beaches there were confrontations...so, the fellows started uniting; 1969-1970 we had several violent attacks on our "off the boat" brethren in G-Dubs, and there was a concerted effort to stop the Brothers from continuing to disrespect our brethren.....At G-Dubs several fights broke out that established Dominicans as people to be feared;
The Galaxies (Leo, Verdugo, Vaquita,Dumbo, Lincoln, El Bum, Elpidio, Rhadames, Mauricio)
The Saints (Omar, Chacha, Satan)
The Falcons (Chocolate, Cheche, Popeye,Castaldi, Cacao)
The TNT's (Chacha)
These brave youngsters from DR paved the way in the 70's; I know I was there!
Its a beautiful day in the neighborhood , wont you be mine , wont you be mine ..''
Fred Rogers ..( 1972,; inspired from his land of make believe T.v series that he wrote while sipping brugal in his Santiago condo after moving from the bronx.. Sorry to say , but these days there is just as much if not more white american and European trash polluting the streets of the D.R as there is 50 cent wanna be gangstas ....Some of it is riding thier Harleys down Pedro Clisante and some of it flys in on thier migs and build hotel casinos and cat houses..The rest drive down here on thier zambonis from north of the border and employ personal Haitiano lambones to teach them ghetto spanish and show them where to buy thier Brahma for under 50 pesos a bottle........
LOL... You are too funny, I don't know how you could say that I would be at the border with my machete. I do not have any thing against Haitians, I have alot of Haitian friends and find that they are good people.
Misshi,
Its good that you are aware of who your kids are hanging out with. I think that alot of kids that join gangs come from a house where the parents did not ask questions or never dedicate enough time for their kids.
The iIalian mafia did it.
This has nothing to do with white trash emplyoing Haitians in DR.
Now the white american and european trash that you are talking about is another social disease
that we must be dealt with.It is not the cause of young Dominican opening the lucrative business of selling drugs here in the US.
All ethnic groups do it.It is supply and demand.
Futhermore young Dominicans do not have the fast boats to bring the drug in great quantity.
Someone is bringing the guns in their community. Their high school are failing them and there is no hope to get a decent well paying jobs for those who chose to be decent citizen.
Everybody is loosing their kids to the system.
There is enough blame to pass around.Do not look for the cause nor the solutionof this problem from back home.
http://osirisoptic.blogspot.com
Very busy with preparations now but hopefully I'll be posting more soon. Here is an article on the FAST changes going on, and a blog written by one of the new arrivals....
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/03/21....amp;sq=Evan%20Abramson&st=cse
http://wahi.typepad.com/the_stree....cation-on-northern-manhattan.html
I hope that you are right, most young Dominicans only care about who has the most expensive sun glasses/clothes/jipeta, etc... They all want to go back to DR and show off like they are rich when in fact they are broke here in USA
it does not matter if you are in your forties. If you are doing some yard work with a machete, you might get shot
No I am not a native of RD but now I live happily in RD and aquired my Dominican citizenship.
Yes I left the United States to live in the Dominican Republic because it is a better way to live.
I believe there are idiots in every ethnic group, we African-Americans definitely have our share.
In every group they are a small percentage knuckleheads. But the majority of Dominicans are beautiful, hospitable and loving people. I will take Puerto Plata over New York any day of the week...
Money isn't always everything, it doesn't always buy happiness.
Just ask the parents that have to bury their son at the Rivera Funeral Home.
A dialogue is when you agree with me
A discussion is when you are trying to persuade me to agree with you.
A debate is when you are tring to persuade an audience( the other posters) to agree with you.
Going after my typing error just proves to me that you can not do either one.
There is something that you have that I do not have: the monopoly of insults.
What concernsus here all of us from dominican background is the future of these kids that are being dumoped in substandard schols that do not teach them even to read and write after the graduated High School.
Drugs, guns are being dumped in their neighbourhood.
Finally ,they end end up in jail which provides a pay check for the you know who and when they finish thier in jail thay are dumped back on Dominican soil.
You are too busy watching with envy old men going after 16 old girls to worry about this problem.
I am glad you went to DR as a missionary to preach the Gospel.
Can't bullshi+++ a bulshi+ter
Going off tangent for a moment, last summer I was waiting for the #1 train the day of the Dominican Day Parade. The behavior of the young Dominicans on the train was appalling beyond comparison. They were jumping on the seats, scaring passengers and acting like savages. It looks as though there are no moral boundaries any more, no etiquette, protocol, no social skills. Frankly it is disgusting.
I hope the authorities do something about this, this is very very dangerous.
From: United States
I am surprised by the number of responses and all the emotions, memories, and history, but what is the essense of this all?
Donsiras:
Here's the moral of the flashbacks, and bios for the "Johnny-Come- Lately's":
1.Gangs have been a part of NYC since day one;
2.People who wanted to raise functional families moved out as soon as they could to the suburbs or went back home for their safety and sanity;
3.All types of people have traditionally inhabited NYC; Many are what we call in DR: Chusma, or a sub-culture that has low morals, and operate on a different value system;
When you put all these factors together into 5 boroughs there's bound to be crime, violence, and deaths.
It's like that; And that's the way it is!
ArsenioALembertJr
I've read all the posts, but ArsenioALembertJr's posts are the most baffeling, he was a member of a gang in the 60/70s and seems chuffed about it event to this day, speaks about it's members as buddies that fought hard (litterally) to gain respect and again seemed chuffed with the resulting respect, he says that that is the way it was and that is the way it will be.
We amigo it seems that your current attitude (even after all these years) is exactly the mentality that may fuel these current gangs into expanding, imature narrow-minded beliefs in a happier existence by waving guns and muscle gaining artificial power and wealth that will ultimately go down a darker route.
Glad to hear a lot of sence from most Dominicans on the site though
ArsenioALembertJr
Are you proud of the current situation, Dominican gang against Dominican gang
What a mess!
Sadly buy reading your posts I think you like the limelight that is being created, and you remenise
are you sure that they are all your ex? i think that you are playing them. LOL... you better be careful with those guys cuz when the car gets shot you might be inside and get hurt. Get yourself a real Dominican man
We amigo it seems that your current attitude (even after all these years) is exactly the mentality that may fuel these current gangs into expanding, imature narrow-minded beliefs in a happier existence by waving guns and muscle gaining artificial power and wealth that will ultimately go down a darker route.
Batman: Son, You should have been at G Dubs when los morenos were beating women in the hallways, and humiliating their brothers; You don't know the half, Batman!
Before you make a judgement about a person, first read the context of what they are saying!
I don't glamorize Gang life; but, if you were living in my shoes in 1969, you'd understand, son!
I don't condone violence, I don't condone drugging and pimping; I just know that if these young men I referred to hadn't fought for their respect; You'd be living in the Bat Cave with Robin; You'd never be able to walk on Broadway.
pow, bam,
In the same reference and with the same energy, I ask that DT feature positive stories of the great work Dominican youth from Washington Heights are also involved in.
I adopted, as a mentor, a group of approximately 25-30 students from Salome Urena / IS 218 (196th Street and Broadway) back in 1992. I committed countless hours with these incredible young people and until today I am still involved in their lives at some capacity or another. Today I proudly share with you that all of these kids have done well in life and are extremely productive citizens of the same featured community you now showcase in your story.
Today they are: PhDs, Executives, Entrepreneurs, Leaders, Bankers, Attorneys, Philanthropists, Technologists and socially responsible. They are a classic example of, that it is not where you come from or live in, but the guidance and positive role models you're exposed to.
This article was about the gang violence on NYC streets. The most easily influenced age group are adolescents. This is something that is seen in EVERY neighborhood. No matter where you live, your neighborhood has its low points too.
Gang Violence is a national problem. You cannot act like the only types of gangs out there are Dominican gangs. Every culture is not perfect, every culture has a gang or people who deviate from cultural norms. For people to have the nerve to post the things they did on this site and embarrass themselves is sad and completely ridiculous. I feel bad for you and I hope you educate yourself and get rid of your ignorance.
There are MANY Dominicans out there who are successful. We must embrace our culture.