is this really good news !

So now I won't be disregarded as "other"?? About time!

Obama will be including Illegals in the census so now we will see some serious gerrymandering.

they will use this to market products to Dominicans in other areas in the US

Along with the diaspora legislators this is another win for the organized Dominican-Americans behind these campaigns. Does anyone remember the resistance in these comments sections to both ideas?

Are we somehow special?

Those who preceded us, built this country didn't ask for such special considerations. The Germans, Irish, Dutch, Chinese and Indians didn't.

In this conservative corner of the country where I live [lol: NYS!], I hear and sense great resentment daily about all of these special considerations that Latin immigrants are accorded.

People here feel we are usurping their country and trying to turn it into what many of us left behind. If we feel that way, then why not repatriate? Imagine, some day we might advocate a USA constitutional change and nominate LF for president.

To be fair, we need to assert our position in this society on the value of our achievements and not on special consideration; otherwise, we are likely inferior to those who preceded us here and rose based on hard and intelligent work and education.

I do not rejoice on this special consideration and wish they would dismiss the whole issue as discriminatory.

Think about it.

i believe that this is a great thing and we should be happy that finally we'll have better data when it comes to the Dominican population in the U.S. It will also she light on the Dominican contribution to the American society as an immigrant group. This however, will bring both happiness and despair to the Dominican population in the U.S. and it will also offer some new weapons for the anti immigrant groups in the U.S. As an education administration in the city of new york, all I can say is that we are in need of help when it comes to the education of our Dominican population. We need to find ways and get more money to develop systems that will keep our Dominican youth in school and out of jail. The census should also shed some light on the number of illegal Dominican in the U.S. which by my accounts should at least 600k maybe more. Remember that illegals often do not participate in the census for fear of being deported, so it is difficult to get a good number.

glomar can I ask why is this special treatment? many other groups are counted in this way. accurate statistical and demographic information can help good democratic governance. when Irish and Italians came over are you sure they were not counted and catalogued? when Chinese and Indians came are you sure they were not counted against particular quotas? Back then you could not just arrive anywhere you came in through certain centralized points, and there was legislation about how many could arrive from where. when Germans, Dutch, etc. came was even further back. they were settling an 'empty' land and and not necessarily comparable to these other groups. my point is political realities differed in all these migrations, most of them were indeed counted in some way, and therefore personally I don't see how Dominicans asking to be counted is special.

as for other special considerations for Latinos I'm not sure what these are, but this is probably not the right article to ask about them

Puerto Rican by birth entitles you to minority programs even if you are the son of the Norwegian Ambassador

Previously Quote By dagtan. ( This however, will bring both happiness and despair to the Dominican population in the U.S. and it will also offer some new weapons for the anti immigrant groups in the U.S)




dagtan, you're exactly right. This is going to be used as a weapon against all of us. Especially the illegal Dominicans living in the U.S., all I have to say, Dominicans better be prepared, and I mean better educated. Dominicans well educated it be a force that can't be recon with!

Camano, I am glad that you point out the only way to fight such behaviors by a largely isolated group in the U.S. Another thing that is going to come out this data is the number of Dominicans that actually enter post graduate institutions and are able to finish their studies. People will often say that financial aid should not be afforded to legal residents and they could easily say that they should not offered to immigrants groups who simply waste the aid. There are so many ways to look at data and there are more means to use it for harm or good. I willing to predict that this going to come back to hunt Dominicans in two particular issues, immigration preferential status and the Haitian issue. I will not elaborate further, so I do not stick my foot in my mouth as some do here some times when they make those outlandish statements. I guess that some people here love to hide behind the computer screen and hell out the heck they one, because they know, they can not be confronted.

Hatero,

From union comes strength.

Were we to be lumped together with all Latin immigrants then, as a category, we would have strength and maybe some good would come out of it.

However, to be categorized as "Dominicans", would mean nothing, as we compose a fraction of 1% of the population and are, therefore, most insignificant.

I know it strokes our ego to learn that we are being given our own special category for the census. I don't see need and I don't like it. That's all.

Perhaps is the work ethics my parents instilled in me and the believe that a man must clearly work for his keep. Also, that higher education is essential and that you must never be complacent and strive to be the very best.

I further believe that the only good programs are those which are eliminated. Let's all endeavor to work hard, lift ourselves up by bootstraps, get educated and prosper.

First, if Dominican want to have impacting political power in the U.S. they must first move out of NY and move and concentrate into state with lesser demographic such as Louisiana or the states in the northeast corner. Being in NY dilutes Dominican influence among that ocean of people.

Second, we must be functional. That is we must have skills that are needed. Then the wealth we create must be partitioned between remittances and for gaining prucharsing power in the U.S.

Third, we must elect Dominican for local offices. We must not be loyal to any particular political party (let them fight for us)!

Fourth, we need to transfer the knowledge gained in the U.S. to D.R.!

allumgen,

Your heart in right place but numbers not there.

Puerto Ricans clearly outnumber dominicans in US and even in NY. They clearly don't exert that kind of power.

BTW, when we are all done usurping all this power, then we should naturally grant same opportunities to our visitors from the west of the island. That would be the fair thing to do-wouldn't it?

There is an obvious big dichotomy here, we feel a sense of entitlement to all types of rights in US. Yet we become resentful and obstinate when immigrant Haitians in DR demand same rights. How ironic and two-faced!

allumeusegeneroso, your post is as confusing as your name. First, let say to you my dear friend, that the only reason why Dominicans are able to thrive here is because they live in urban areas that is willing to welcome them. It is not like we are these super people that other states in the union are eager to see us come. The south could be a harsh environment for Dominicans, since 87% of dominicans are mullattos or mestizos, they will bare the same level of racism that is imposed on African Americans. Second, the assertion that Dominicans are functional citizens is lunacy, for the most part Dominicans are very damaging to the community that they move in. The reason for this is answered by your same statement in which you talk about remittances and purchasing power. Well that is all they already, they same money back to the DR and buy a whole lot of crap when traveling back. Therefore, never buying a house in the neighborhood that they live in, which is turns creates no, cont..

ownership in their neighborhood, so they do not care defacing the building or letting the grass grow as high as the montes over in the DR. Allume, you are not fully aware that Dominicans in the U.S. do not have a base of candidates from which they can elect, since the community does not produce them in high numbers. those few that make it, the first thing they is leave the community for a peace of mind. Not in a million year, your dream will come true.

glomarexplorer, you are absolutely right when it comes to the Haitian issue. That is exactly the reason why I made note of it on the last post. Today the DR has one of the most repressive system of immigration when it comes to the Haitians. i give you a few example of the Dominican hypocrisy when it comes to immigration and rights: the Dominican republic does not grant birth certificates nor citizenship to children born from tow haitian parents or one haitian and one dominican on dominican soil. While we here in the U.S. grant citizenship to the children of illegal Dominicans. BTW, this law was enacted by our U.S. educated president Fernandez, I guess that he never attended his american constitutional courses in college, that if he actually attended. Dominicans deport haitians with no due process whatsoever, they simply send trucks and pick as many haitians as possible and drive them to the border without notifying this wife/husband/children or relatives. cont..

while many Dominicans are deported from the U.S. all of these people have receive due process and the family is fully aware of the procedure and when they will be deported. Also, in the dominican republic haitians can not attend school or universities because in order for you to attend school in the DR you need a birth certificate and haitian offspring does not get one. While here in the U.S. education is not even denied to undocumented Dominicans. This i know from experience, since I am a school administrator, we have a number of undocumented dominican kids in our school, but by law we are not allowed to deny them the right to compulsory education. yet, as you indicate, with all the discrimination and the destruction of a people's spirit, dominicans want to talk about rights here in the U.S. the Dominican government is demonizing haitians, and they are systematically making of them what land owners did to slaves, which is to dehumanize and humiliate them at every step.

Glomar you are bologne! Dominican are deported from the U.S. weekly and not one protest those actions taken by ICE (not even human rights international)! Not one question the way ICE separate families apart in NYC! SO SHUT!

Dogtan you are wrong! More than 33,000 Haitian attend Dominican schools from primary school to universities! Please do not speak of issues that you are not sure! NYC allows underage illegal attend primary/secondary schools! But New Orleans DOES NOT ALLOW ILLEGAL ATTEND SCHOOL! They must show a social security number for registration to occur!

By the way the majority of blacks in the U.S. reside in the south so your argument about not accepted for being mulato is not significant! In fact, we have lots of mexican down here!

Dagtan, I agreed with you this mother flowers are very racist ! I remember Pena Gomez, he legally won the election in the Dominican Republic . He could not exercise that position because he was negro, cono . Did you know that 65% of our population in Dr. es negro que pasa? we have to educate our Dominican citizen so they understand that they aren't the only people migrating to another country, that other people like Haitians also have the same right as Dominican to immigrate. But this fall under the Dominican government to enforce it's law. Immigration reform very important for a country progress, it means Democracy , liberty, freedom, protection to it newest people. The same here in the U.S. we Complain when our country men they get illegally deported with out due process. I'm for immigration reform and better care for our brothers next door in Haiti......

Previously Quote By Dagtan (Dominicans are functional citizens is lunacy, for the most part Dominicans are very damaging to the community that they move in.)




Specially with that loud freaking merengue coming from those Datsun 510 L O L........Just like old days

allumgen,

You wrote: "Glomar you are bologne! Dominican are deported from the U.S. weekly and not one protest those actions taken by ICE (not even human rights international)! Not one question the way ICE separate families apart in NYC! SO SHUT!"

My friend, the deported are people who have been convicted of crimes, incarcerated and then repatriated.

You are in this country as a guest and must remember that fact. Think of it as if it were your own home and you took in an unknown guest for an overnite or short stay. If he steals anything from you, harasses your wife or fondles your daughter, then would you let him stay? I think not. Myself, I would probably put a bullet in his head.

You came to a country with a different culture, mores and laws, where the official language is English-not Spanish. You need to respect these facts, acculturate and blend in and earn your keep, not try to change it into everything you left behind. Then, you'll be welcome.

I have to say posting comments here improved my imagination that someday our people will learn to take care of one another, with out the negative force lurking into our past regressive lives !

Camano,

Are you suggesting that immigration reform be made to accommodate our "Haitian brothers"?

The US does separate families.
The US doesn't deport innocent people
They deport criminals.
If the criminal's family decides to stay in the US it is their choice not the decision of the USA.

Previously Quote By Santana ( Are you suggesting that immigration reform be made to accommodate our "Haitian brothers"?)





Where did you see that in my post? You guys can not even take care your own people, never the less other nationalities. Santana this is what i previously Quote. ( I'm for immigration reform and better care for our brothers next door in Haiti...... )better care meaning less violation of this people rights comprende? And immigration reform so people can go in and out the country without problem. Tanbien otenga the equivalent of a Dominican green card. Already.................

Que Vivan los jefes Trujillo, Chavez, Fidel. It's obvious, a new Latin America what up with that! Can't handle it?

The US does separate families.
The US doesn't deport innocent people
They deport criminals.
If the criminal's family decides to stay in the US it is their choice not the decision of the USA.

And as a side note if the Dominicans did not have a misplaced sense of nationality, instead of residency, they would apply to upgrade with dual citizenship they would not be deported as the USA does not deport citizens! But they are so damn proud of yo soy dominicano, that they won't change, then they bitch. tough titty