Chicago.– More massive quakes could hit Haiti and its neighbors after the devastating tremors this week
that increased pressure along a lengthy fault line, scientists warned on
Friday.
According to Paul
Mann, a senior research scientist at the Institute for Geophysics at
the University of Texas at Austin, just because the
rebuilding process had started people shouldn’t assume the risk was
over.
"This
relief of stress along this area near Port-au-Prince may have actually
increased stress in the adjacent segments on the fault," he told the press.
Researchers
have already begun to work on models to try to predict how the stress
changes resulting from the 7.0-magnitude quake which struck Tuesday is
affecting the adjacent segments of the fault.
"This
fault system is hundreds of kilometers long and the segment that
ruptured to form this ear quake is only 80 kilometers long," Mann said. "There are many more segments which are building up strain where there haven’t been earthquakes for hundreds of years."
"Potentially any one of these segments could cause an earthquake similar to that which happened in Haiti," he pointed out.
There are, thankfully, only two major population centers along the fault: Port-au-Prince and Kingston, Jamaica.But
as demonstrated in the chaos which followed Tuesday’s tremor, the
impact of a quake of that magnitude can be “paralyzing,” Mann said.
And
there is a second fault system in the north of Haiti which extends to
the Dominican Republic which has not ruptured in 800 years and has
built up sufficient pressure for a 7.5 magnitude quake. "The
question is when are those going to rupture," Mann said, adding that it
is very difficult to predict "whether or not that’s going to happen
next week or 100 years."
From: United States, Fresh Water Paradise-NY Finger Lakes
What is fault's name?
How much damage might we expect in Santo Domingo, if a similar magnitude tremor [7.0-Richter] were to occur there?
Are there any contingencies in place for dealing with such catastrophe? If not, what are we waiting for?
Written by: Pepe32, 16 Jan 2010 1:10 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Gloma,that fault is unfortunately one that goes right through the northern part of the country through Santiago.Santiago viejo (Jacagua) was the original site of the city and it was destroyed by an earthquake.
Written by: Atabey, 16 Jan 2010 1:20 AM
From: United States, NYC
Caballero,
I hope that we have in place strong building standards and enforce them, because this fault will release its pressure in due time.
Written by: Pepe32, 16 Jan 2010 1:28 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Agreed!
Written by: LaVerdad, 16 Jan 2010 2:12 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Santiago
bombah
Written by: Edward, 16 Jan 2010 4:36 AM
From: United States, Faux News: Unfair Imbalance
At least DR has a way better infrastructure and resources. A major earthquake like the one in Haiti would probably cause just 1/10th the damage.
Written by: BASTA, 16 Jan 2010 4:49 AM
From: Dominican Republic, =Ghetto/Legalize Drugs
hope that we have in place strong building standards = None = 85% of construction can not get insurance because of substandard construction practices. 91% of all buildings will be destroyed. Having observed construction in DR; I would think the figure would be 98%. Forget the Metro. A 4.5 will finish that project.
From: Dominican Republic, No Spin Zone
on a day to day basis I have more important thing to think about than the next earth quake .....Imagine living in California waiting for the big one
Written by: pelaut, 16 Jan 2010 8:51 AM
From: United States
It's your fault.
Written by: clinker, 16 Jan 2010 9:43 AM
From: Dominican Republic
"And there is a second fault system in the north of Haiti which extends to the Dominican Republic which has not ruptured in 800 years and has built up sufficient pressure for a 7.5 magnitude quake..." - WHERE in the DR ? North? Middle? South? (an 8 pointer would make it immaterial, i know, but would be nice to know, dontcha think?)
Written by: anthonyC, 16 Jan 2010 10:16 AM
From: United States
More earthquakes might happen?
How much of our Tax dollars were spent coming up with that bit of wisdom.
Written by: generoso, 16 Jan 2010 10:23 AM
From: United States, Quisqueya
These fabricated news are not new at all, and they have been around for years, and now been recycled by those with murky ultimate goals.
The media conspiracy against us is just starting and it will continue by the ONG's, many that are feeding on fresh money and all the attention now being given to the up to now, dormant Haitian problem.
Many DR hotels are getting calls from tourists from all the world with reservations, worried about the safety of their installations, and the conditions of the hotels after the Haitian quake.
This type of attention certainly does not help tourism in the island. If all the visitors to Los Angeles, San Francisco and other cities in California, knew the real odds
for a major earthquake, nobody, in their wildest dreams will ever set foot there.
Let the DR start a campaign to reverse this mud slinging by competitor tourist nations, that do not have our best interests at heart.
Written by: generoso, 16 Jan 2010 10:29 AM
From: United States, Quisqueya
pelaut
Thank you for quoting me, but for posterity do note that the "taking over" portion by the US comment, was focused only on the Haitian airport portion.
But in reality, it will be a wet dream for most Dominicans, including myself, if the US will have a permanent presence in Haiti, not as a nanny, but as a full time, hands on administrator, instead of passing the buck always to the corrupt technocrats and mercenary politicians, that have enriched themselves, sucking on the blood of the destitute Haitians and always blaming the DR for all of Haiti's ills.
What happened at the airport was a microcosm of what happens all over Haiti, the airport control tower was headless, with no one taking responsibility, until this tough, no BS American coronel came in and told the fumbling Haitians to step aside, and he then took over and imposed order and the flights resumed, after many had died because of their incompetence. Sad but true.
Written by: dagtan, 16 Jan 2010 10:56 AM
From: United States
I believe that the fault line is called "Enriquillo-Plantain Garden Fault line" Please double check.
Written by: zooma, 16 Jan 2010 11:01 AM
From: United States
To Glomarexplorer
I believe the second fault line is the Septentrional fault, it extends roughtly from near the Samana Penninsula, following north of the coast toward the east, north of the Puerto Rico coast. Seismic activity surrounding this fault affects the eastern end of the D.R., Mona Passage, and Puerto Rico. I coincidently monitor seismic activity on occasion for this area, found in the weeks preceeding the Haiti tragedy, the daily activity in the fault area was lower that normal, sort of a build up before the big release. This should be data the scientists should review, relating to seismic activity prior to the disaster.
We can expect the similar damage in Santo Domingo, cause - build fast and cheap, sell high.
Contingencies are in place on paper only. if any. The country does not have the disposible monies or structure available to support a disaster plan. The plan is play as you go and expect outside assistance .
Written by: Atabey, 16 Jan 2010 11:03 AM
From: United States, NYC
generoso,
I agree.
Written by: generoso, 16 Jan 2010 11:12 AM
From: United States, Quisqueya
Atabey
Coming from you it is a compliment, thanks!
G
PS We are in the same team.LOL.
Written by: dagtan, 16 Jan 2010 11:18 AM
From: United States
Generoso, I tend to agree with you, but your assertion that the American presence is the only solution to the problem is dead wrong. Generoso, you have been extremely short sighted these days, or this is just your nature.
Generoso let me remind you that we have been under American influence or literal domination twice, 1916-1924 and 1965-1970, with very little to show for it. I believe that these two periods in our history still affect our ability to handle our own problems, hence the fact that we have contingency plans on paper and not on literal terms.
As for the Haitians, may I remind you that they were under literal U.S. domination from 1915-1935 and it simply ended up producing more dictatorship and death for this already poor nation. This time around I do agree that there most be a high level or international monitoring and assistance in Haiti. The American will have to lead the way since the French are not willing to do so and because Haiti is in our back
Written by: dagtan, 16 Jan 2010 11:24 AM
From: United States
in order for order to return to haiti, its infrastructure, education, social services and industrial sectors need to be reinvigorated. This is achievable by the international community and the IMF easing all the regulations that they impose on nations that have external debt.
Moreover, if the U.S. is going to be the main recipient of the Haitian pain and expense, they must request that France return to Haiti the 150 million gold Francs that they forced haiti to pay for the 500k slaves that liberated themselves in 1804. The bottom line is that that France forced haiti to purchase themselves for recognition as a freed nation. I have no idea why the haitians do not bring this to the world court. In todays' dollars that amount is equal to about 7 billions, think about the injection to haiti. BTW, the last payment made by the Haitian government was in 1991.
Finally, occupation does not work, but cooperation does. So I'll like to see the U.S. become a cooperator to the
Written by: dagtan, 16 Jan 2010 11:30 AM
From: United States
development of the Haitian economy. Moreover, the U.S. should establish preferential treaties with haiti when it comes to purchase of agricultural products, migration and technological knowledge transfer. Also, the French should be required to stay from all Haitian affairs if they do not want to get involve and jump into the gutter with the U.S.
The fact that Spain got a clear message from the U.S. in 1916 not to interfere with DR's affairs if they were not willing to shed blood and money for the sake of stability was the best deal with got out of the occupation.
Spain stopped meddling in our political arena, which is was great, since they could not even capitalize on their head toward conquest and today are just another European nation with very little world influence.
Written by: Atabey, 16 Jan 2010 11:56 AM
From: United States, NYC
dagtan,
Haiti's needs are so great and the time frame for delivering the "goods" so time-sensitive that the only logical choice for getting involved is the EEUU. No one else has the wherewithal to tackle the enormity of this catastrophe unfolding in Haiti. The islands Stability and the redeeming of the nation-state of Haiti depend, largely but not exclusively, on the good-will of the USA.
Written by: danny00, 16 Jan 2010 12:53 PM
From: United States, syosset, key west, santo domingo AND NOW THE GLOBE TROTTER
ed said...... a major earthquake like the one in haiti would probably cause just 1/10th the damage.
u must be still sleeping..... 7.5?...
i will stay in miami when this is coming.....
u really believe the building code is tha t strong in the dr?..
u dont know the inspectors that come to inspect the building have big pockets?... really deep pockets....
hey! in any high rise building in santo domingo if their is a fire all are lost.... in that building.. how they going to get out?.. shit if u had the new york city fire dept their they could not help if they wanted to how u going to get by the traffic yes the dr is better prepared.... lol..lol....for what?...u get a little rain and 100's are dead ... better prepared.?...
Written by: danny00, 16 Jan 2010 12:59 PM
From: United States, syosset, key west, santo domingo AND NOW THE GLOBE TROTTER
by: generoso, 16 jan 2010 10:29 am
from: united states, santo
incompetence... really..... by the americans......
u know the generals in the united states forces can read and write.... yes they can its not like the so called "generals" in the dr.....
idiots.., and why are u in the untied states.... u have no love for this country....
go live in santo domingo.... and u will have your wet dreams.....
one domincian that loves the united states.....
Written by: danny00, 16 Jan 2010 1:01 PM
From: United States, syosset, key west, santo domingo AND NOW THE GLOBE TROTTER
let the dr army handel the problems in haiti... maybe they can find easy targets to "lynch"... thats what dominicans do to haitians dont they?. and im sure dominicans can man the aiport, right? dont they have the best pilots in the world?......
Written by: dagtan, 16 Jan 2010 4:05 PM
From: United States
Guys, I am not saying that the U.S. should not be the leading force behind recovery, but to assert that the U.S. is to take over Haiti in order to bring it back from the dead is just plain stupid. There is no way that the U.S. is to do this and if Obama tries to do such thing, he will then paid for it and I will not give him my vote the next time around.
If there is any country that needs to bring Haiti under their wing and develop the country with the aid of others, and the U.S. leading, that is FRANCE. It is time for France to step up and help their ex-colony or are they so freaking proud and can not take the fact that they beat them, that they can not see themselves doing anything.
I not upset about having my tax dollars invested in a better future for Haiti, but I will not support one day of occupation. We need to reinvigorate the Haitian government, so they can regain power again and help them become good governments.
Written by: Yucahu, 16 Jan 2010 5:06 PM
From: United States, Miami
Maybe these are the end of days.
Written by: generoso, 16 Jan 2010 5:20 PM
From: United States, Quisqueya
dagtan
There are really not many choices available for Haiti to get back on its feet, other than face losing occupation by a major power, and not any power, but a major power with significant and well trained army. France does not want any part of Haiti, and they consider Haiti, a lost cause. They have "generously" sent one plane with a few doctors and medical supplies and forgave Haiti $4 million euros in debt, big deal.
Haiti's diaspora have for the most part been apathetic to Haiti's problem and do not participate actively (some say because of constitutional restrictions, which is true) in the internal politics in Haiti, and just remain aloof and just send money to relatives. The Haitians diaspora could DEMAND to change the status quo.
And BTW France had an international legal claim from Aristide when he was in office, to pay back an estimated 20 billion US dollars that the French had extracted from the Haitians over 80 years time.
Written by: generoso, 16 Jan 2010 5:28 PM
From: United States, Quisqueya
The problem in Haiti is that ever since the Duvalier dinasty was terminated, mostly by forces lead by the US, Haiti's rulers have been mostly thieving and irresponsible to the maximum degrees.
Even your last female prime minister stole millions of dollars from the public coffers, before she was removed, and Aristide fortunes is estimated to be $300 million US.
How can a country get ahead with no leadership that will steer the country not to be a beggar state?
As hard as that sounds my friend, that is the harsh reality, and I would prefer the US to get the hell out of Iraq, Afghanistan, and Europe as well, and let them worry about their own security, and believe me as a Dominican-American I would rather have somebody else get involved in the Haitian mess, that could very well end up being another quagmire for the US and a lose-lose situation.
The fact is that given the current choices, if I had a say so, I would pray that the US will stay there for the good of the DR and Haiti.
Written by: generoso, 16 Jan 2010 5:47 PM
From: United States, Quisqueya
Dagtan
And one more thing the US of 2010 is not the ass kicking and brutal imperialist force of 1916 or even the intolerant and prejudice force of the 1960's either.
I resented, being a dual national and objected to the needless and meddling US intervention in DR in 1965, that played right into the dark forces of the Trujillo legacy. It was a huge mistake that may have set us back a whole generation. But the US was firmly against Juan Bosch and was opposed to his return and had a secret deal with Balaguer to run the country.
So it is not a matter of being short sighted, but being a realist. Look at the choices that Haitians have right now. They are run by idiots and corrupt politicians and I know because I deal intimately,
with a Haitian charity group that have been trying to get legislation passed, for a huge medical complex, to no avail, because the legislator demand their "cut", and the necessary laws are put on hold.
Written by: generoso, 16 Jan 2010 5:54 PM
From: United States, Quisqueya
There will no progress in Haiti unless the mercenary and mega corrupt Haitian politicians get out of the way, and the monies being donated are used to irrigate the seeds of progress so that Haiti slowly can grow into a little tree, always watched and guarded by a super power, and then a big strong tree, and we are looking at at least a generation, until the Haitians can get back on their feet and have a real compassionate and altruistic government that will use the Haitian taxes, land leases, mineral exploration rights, and public land for the betterment of the majority, not just a few.
Written by: Atabey, 16 Jan 2010 5:56 PM
From: United States, NYC
I have just listened to President Obama's video message and he never even mentioned the efforts
of the DR in helping Haiti. Wow! I am not sure what this omission means but it's not good. He
mentioned the Brazilian effort and the NGOs, and the UN, but not once did he say anything about our
efforts on National TV. Hilary Clinton and Ms. Rice should have made it clear to Obama that the
Dominican Republic was stepping-up big time in helping Haiti in its great hour of need. What is
the diplomatic staff of the Dominican Republic doing in the US?? This is a major diplomatic slap
in the face of the Dominican people and its government. We were first on the scene and this is
how we get played? Simply amateurish and highly undiplomatic on several counts. The
Washington Staff especially should be called-out for its dereliction of duty.
Written by: dagtan, 16 Jan 2010 6:10 PM
From: United States
Generoso, believe me I know what you are saying, the fact that you and disagree on how the U. S. should get involved on the future Haiti does not change the fact that it is not the best option at this point. I talk from the experience that our country had with occupation in 1916 an 1965 and even haiti in 1915.
As a tax payer in the U.S. and interests in the DR, trust me I want to see some aid Haiti and stability to country with none from it's origination. When you talk about my last female prime minister, we have not had one those in the U.S. Or the D.R., I beg for clarification on thus particular point.
Written by: Sajomero, 16 Jan 2010 7:10 PM
From: United States, Del primer Santiago de America....y el mejor!!!
The northern fault line runs parallel to the Cordillera Septentrional. There are several spots where roads cross this fault line and the movement of the plates in opposing directions is clearly visible. There is one spot after the tunnel in Altamira that is always filled with potholes. People have all kinds of legends as for why that spot on the road is like that including the two compadres that had a fight over a comadre and killed each other on the spot, forever cursing it. Also further West on the road tha connects to La Isabela from Navas, the fault line crosses the road again. There used to be a house on the side of the road that was built right next to the fault line and now lays at the bottom of the precipice.
Written by: generoso, 16 Jan 2010 7:35 PM
From: United States, Quisqueya
dagtan
I was talking about Michelle Pierre Louis from Haiti, she was PM in 2008 for a year or so before they booted her out.
She remains in Haiti working for an ONG and is hungry for some more fresh $$$$ feed for her big predatory claws, to grab, engulf and devour.
From: Dominican Republic, vieja Santo Domingo
I do not think that they have much idea where or when the next earthquake will be ,,we have had at least 6 tremors over 3.5 on the scale and centered around the Higuey / la Romana area ,there was a quake with no warning in Venezuela without warning and the one in Haiti was without any human warning . If a quake was to hit Santo Domingo in the Naco,Piantini and Bella Vista areas which are far more populated and with high rise apartments and offices ,I imagine the tragedy would be far greater . There are no national standards here ,the roads in Naco are far too small and narrow for all the traffic there and the logistics would be tremendous. I wonder if these scientists know where the faults are exactly or whether they are somewhere in a 200 mile width.
Written by: dagtan, 16 Jan 2010 7:59 PM
From: United States
Generoso, excuse me for the errors and lack of clarity on the last posting since you forced me to respond using my iphone and while waiting at traffic lights, BTW. I should get a fine next time by our most talented NYPD.
I am going to break it down for you why the an occupation is just plain crazy. However, I really do not want to highjack this thread, maybe we should open up a thread and discuss the future political status for Haiti and its implications for the U.S.
Generoso, do me a favor and look into the Haitian rice riots of the 1980's and 1990's and lets pick it from there. Also, if you want to venture deeper, you can read a little on the shockwave that the people of this black colony sent thru the western hemisphere in 1804. i believe that this event was more shocking and scary to Americans than what happened on 9/11. i love the U.S. and will never discredit it, unless is it is deserving of it, but I will tell you that the U.S. has been pretty evil for haiti.
From: Dominican Republic, vieja Santo Domingo
And as for Haiti ,,how can any country exist properly when 1 % of the population has more than 80 % of the wealth and live in Petionville in absolute luxury while the rest of the country lives in abject poverty. Most people earn less than $300 a year. It is totally immoral. It would be impossible to govern properly when 99 % of the country are too poor to pay taxes for any improvements .The elite need to pay proper enforceable wages and the country urgently needs new industry that excludes the existing elite who simply take their profits out of Haiti ,probably tax free.
Written by: generoso, 16 Jan 2010 8:37 PM
From: United States, Quisqueya
dagtan
The US occupation is not crazy. Writing a blank check to the present, past or future Haitian administrators would be sheer madness. It is like giving the keys to the family car, a bottle of scotch, a joint and $500 dollars to a teenager. You know that nothing good will come out of that.
I now about the rice snafu and blackmail that resulted thereafter. And regarding 1804 I know all about that, and I sympathize with the story. But that was over 200 years ago, just like the French blackmail and holding Haiti hostage for three generations. Haitians have to let go of the past glories as well as sins committed to them, and focus ONLY on the day to day steps to be taken to forge ahead, holding hands of course with the international community. There is only one way out of all that rubble and misery, and is the only way, shaking the dust of, not looking back and just marching ahead, and letting bygones be bygones.
Written by: CeJota, 16 Jan 2010 8:57 PM
From: United States, Augusta Ga/ Philly Pa
thats why never laugh at the hearse riding by....show compassion on our neighbors, never know when its our turn
From: Dominican Republic
Bien dit général et mes salutations.
Vous êtes une source d'inspiration et de connaissance profonde de ceux qui ont le plaisir de vous connaître. Merci et salut.
Written by: dagtan, 17 Jan 2010 11:01 AM
From: United States
Generoso, i guess that you are not getting the fact that I at no time indicated that the Haitian people were stocked in the past. Instead, what I did was to bring up to your attention the past injuries that were committed against this people by country like the U.S. of which I am a proud citizen today. History is history and those wounds have been kept open by the likes of the IMF and WB who are controlled by the U.S.
If you go back to the 1980's, when Haiti was actually able to produce more than enough rice to fee its people and sell some. it also had a thriving faming community and a rising middle class. in order for Haiti to continue developing, they requested a 240 million loan from the IMF, to further develop their infrastructure and systems. The conditions under which the loan was granted, was for Haiti to further open up their markets, than what they did in the occupation of 1915-1940.
So the result was an influx of cheap heavily subsidize rice from the southern Ameri
Written by: dagtan, 17 Jan 2010 11:09 AM
From: United States
american states to the Haitian markets. The end result was the killing of the Haitian rice industry and the forcing of people who worked the land to move to the cities to look for work. Moreover, the still forming middle class basically aborted for lack of a better term. eventually, the flow of rice stopped once the market was saturated and riots started ever destabilizing the already weak Haitian system.
Remember, this happened to us, but the main difference is that our people are being absorbed into the service economy, which in terms dwindle the ability of a middle class to rise and became majority. This the reason why our economy does not manufacture or creates, but simply produce and does not require high education levels to earn a meager living.
Finally, in 1804, the American slaves owners helped France prove to the world that a Black nation will not prosper in the western hemisphere. Generoso, the U.S. refused to trade with HAITI, basically starving the island nation
Written by: dagtan, 17 Jan 2010 11:15 AM
From: United States
and making sure that it will not rise from the rubbles. I am not living in the past, but when it comes to both the DR and Haiti, the answer is in the past my friend. I study Haitian history as much as I study our history, since our culture and behaviors today is made up of a series of reactions to the the following, 1804, 1820, 1844, and the Haitian behaviors over the years.
This is the most honest behavior toward Haiti from the western world and I hope that the western world has finally gotten over the fact that yes, there is a purely African nation in the western hemisphere and they have to deal with it. I believe that all of us that have any African blood in us are to protect this country, since it is the purest representation of our African ancestry in the western world, so what if the Anglo do not like, they have to deal with it.
i hope that Mr. Obama stay the course in helping haiti, but not to verge on occupation, but cooperation with an international organization manag
Written by: generoso, 17 Jan 2010 11:54 AM
From: United States, Quisqueya
Olivier Le legionnaire;
Merci beaucoup, LEGIO PATRIA NOSTRA.
dagtan:
I hear all that you are saying, and I agree the rice fiasco was a very dumb move for Haiti, but the Haitian government at the time, which were the caretakers of the people, took that decision, and it was their responsibility and not anyone else. Haitians have to take responsibility for their irresponsible actions of the past, and stop blaming the whole world for their mishaps. Only Haitians are responsible for Haiti, no one else.
And if all the aid that the world is pouring into Haiti vanishes and disappears in one year, and Haiti has the begging bowl out again, and all the previous aid can not be accounted for, it will be the fault of the Haitians, not anybody else.
No more excuses for the past ills, forget the past and stop crying! The future is bright, take the hand that is being offered to Haiti by the whole world in solidarity, get up and surge forward, to a bright new future and rebuild Haiti NOW! Avant
Written by: dagtan, 17 Jan 2010 12:57 PM
From: United States
Generoso, I hear you brother. However, in order for you or a country to move forward, they first need to know and understand what had and is holding back in the first place. History is the compass by which people and nations find themselves and which allows them to make future adjustments to either replicated or repudiate what took place.
I think that we leave it here and I hope to pick this up again in a near future. Hey, maybe if we ever get to materialize that get together from the site, we might go at it again.
What is fault's name?
How much damage might we expect in Santo Domingo, if a similar magnitude tremor [7.0-Richter] were to occur there?
Are there any contingencies in place for dealing with such catastrophe? If not, what are we waiting for?
I hope that we have in place strong building standards and enforce them, because this fault will release its pressure in due time.
How much of our Tax dollars were spent coming up with that bit of wisdom.
The media conspiracy against us is just starting and it will continue by the ONG's, many that are feeding on fresh money and all the attention now being given to the up to now, dormant Haitian problem.
Many DR hotels are getting calls from tourists from all the world with reservations, worried about the safety of their installations, and the conditions of the hotels after the Haitian quake.
This type of attention certainly does not help tourism in the island. If all the visitors to Los Angeles, San Francisco and other cities in California, knew the real odds
for a major earthquake, nobody, in their wildest dreams will ever set foot there.
Let the DR start a campaign to reverse this mud slinging by competitor tourist nations, that do not have our best interests at heart.
Thank you for quoting me, but for posterity do note that the "taking over" portion by the US comment, was focused only on the Haitian airport portion.
But in reality, it will be a wet dream for most Dominicans, including myself, if the US will have a permanent presence in Haiti, not as a nanny, but as a full time, hands on administrator, instead of passing the buck always to the corrupt technocrats and mercenary politicians, that have enriched themselves, sucking on the blood of the destitute Haitians and always blaming the DR for all of Haiti's ills.
What happened at the airport was a microcosm of what happens all over Haiti, the airport control tower was headless, with no one taking responsibility, until this tough, no BS American coronel came in and told the fumbling Haitians to step aside, and he then took over and imposed order and the flights resumed, after many had died because of their incompetence. Sad but true.
I believe the second fault line is the Septentrional fault, it extends roughtly from near the Samana Penninsula, following north of the coast toward the east, north of the Puerto Rico coast. Seismic activity surrounding this fault affects the eastern end of the D.R., Mona Passage, and Puerto Rico. I coincidently monitor seismic activity on occasion for this area, found in the weeks preceeding the Haiti tragedy, the daily activity in the fault area was lower that normal, sort of a build up before the big release. This should be data the scientists should review, relating to seismic activity prior to the disaster.
We can expect the similar damage in Santo Domingo, cause - build fast and cheap, sell high.
Contingencies are in place on paper only. if any. The country does not have the disposible monies or structure available to support a disaster plan. The plan is play as you go and expect outside assistance .
I agree.
Coming from you it is a compliment, thanks!
G
PS We are in the same team.LOL.
Generoso let me remind you that we have been under American influence or literal domination twice, 1916-1924 and 1965-1970, with very little to show for it. I believe that these two periods in our history still affect our ability to handle our own problems, hence the fact that we have contingency plans on paper and not on literal terms.
As for the Haitians, may I remind you that they were under literal U.S. domination from 1915-1935 and it simply ended up producing more dictatorship and death for this already poor nation. This time around I do agree that there most be a high level or international monitoring and assistance in Haiti. The American will have to lead the way since the French are not willing to do so and because Haiti is in our back
Moreover, if the U.S. is going to be the main recipient of the Haitian pain and expense, they must request that France return to Haiti the 150 million gold Francs that they forced haiti to pay for the 500k slaves that liberated themselves in 1804. The bottom line is that that France forced haiti to purchase themselves for recognition as a freed nation. I have no idea why the haitians do not bring this to the world court. In todays' dollars that amount is equal to about 7 billions, think about the injection to haiti. BTW, the last payment made by the Haitian government was in 1991.
Finally, occupation does not work, but cooperation does. So I'll like to see the U.S. become a cooperator to the
The fact that Spain got a clear message from the U.S. in 1916 not to interfere with DR's affairs if they were not willing to shed blood and money for the sake of stability was the best deal with got out of the occupation.
Spain stopped meddling in our political arena, which is was great, since they could not even capitalize on their head toward conquest and today are just another European nation with very little world influence.
Haiti's needs are so great and the time frame for delivering the "goods" so time-sensitive that the only logical choice for getting involved is the EEUU. No one else has the wherewithal to tackle the enormity of this catastrophe unfolding in Haiti. The islands Stability and the redeeming of the nation-state of Haiti depend, largely but not exclusively, on the good-will of the USA.
u must be still sleeping..... 7.5?...
i will stay in miami when this is coming.....
u really believe the building code is tha t strong in the dr?..
u dont know the inspectors that come to inspect the building have big pockets?... really deep pockets....
hey! in any high rise building in santo domingo if their is a fire all are lost.... in that building.. how they going to get out?.. shit if u had the new york city fire dept their they could not help if they wanted to how u going to get by the traffic yes the dr is better prepared.... lol..lol....for what?...u get a little rain and 100's are dead ... better prepared.?...
from: united states, santo
incompetence... really..... by the americans......
u know the generals in the united states forces can read and write.... yes they can its not like the so called "generals" in the dr.....
idiots.., and why are u in the untied states.... u have no love for this country....
go live in santo domingo.... and u will have your wet dreams.....
one domincian that loves the united states.....
If there is any country that needs to bring Haiti under their wing and develop the country with the aid of others, and the U.S. leading, that is FRANCE. It is time for France to step up and help their ex-colony or are they so freaking proud and can not take the fact that they beat them, that they can not see themselves doing anything.
I not upset about having my tax dollars invested in a better future for Haiti, but I will not support one day of occupation. We need to reinvigorate the Haitian government, so they can regain power again and help them become good governments.
There are really not many choices available for Haiti to get back on its feet, other than face losing occupation by a major power, and not any power, but a major power with significant and well trained army. France does not want any part of Haiti, and they consider Haiti, a lost cause. They have "generously" sent one plane with a few doctors and medical supplies and forgave Haiti $4 million euros in debt, big deal.
Haiti's diaspora have for the most part been apathetic to Haiti's problem and do not participate actively (some say because of constitutional restrictions, which is true) in the internal politics in Haiti, and just remain aloof and just send money to relatives. The Haitians diaspora could DEMAND to change the status quo.
And BTW France had an international legal claim from Aristide when he was in office, to pay back an estimated 20 billion US dollars that the French had extracted from the Haitians over 80 years time.
Even your last female prime minister stole millions of dollars from the public coffers, before she was removed, and Aristide fortunes is estimated to be $300 million US.
How can a country get ahead with no leadership that will steer the country not to be a beggar state?
As hard as that sounds my friend, that is the harsh reality, and I would prefer the US to get the hell out of Iraq, Afghanistan, and Europe as well, and let them worry about their own security, and believe me as a Dominican-American I would rather have somebody else get involved in the Haitian mess, that could very well end up being another quagmire for the US and a lose-lose situation.
The fact is that given the current choices, if I had a say so, I would pray that the US will stay there for the good of the DR and Haiti.
And one more thing the US of 2010 is not the ass kicking and brutal imperialist force of 1916 or even the intolerant and prejudice force of the 1960's either.
I resented, being a dual national and objected to the needless and meddling US intervention in DR in 1965, that played right into the dark forces of the Trujillo legacy. It was a huge mistake that may have set us back a whole generation. But the US was firmly against Juan Bosch and was opposed to his return and had a secret deal with Balaguer to run the country.
So it is not a matter of being short sighted, but being a realist. Look at the choices that Haitians have right now. They are run by idiots and corrupt politicians and I know because I deal intimately,
with a Haitian charity group that have been trying to get legislation passed, for a huge medical complex, to no avail, because the legislator demand their "cut", and the necessary laws are put on hold.
of the DR in helping Haiti. Wow! I am not sure what this omission means but it's not good. He
mentioned the Brazilian effort and the NGOs, and the UN, but not once did he say anything about our
efforts on National TV. Hilary Clinton and Ms. Rice should have made it clear to Obama that the
Dominican Republic was stepping-up big time in helping Haiti in its great hour of need. What is
the diplomatic staff of the Dominican Republic doing in the US?? This is a major diplomatic slap
in the face of the Dominican people and its government. We were first on the scene and this is
how we get played? Simply amateurish and highly undiplomatic on several counts. The
Washington Staff especially should be called-out for its dereliction of duty.
As a tax payer in the U.S. and interests in the DR, trust me I want to see some aid Haiti and stability to country with none from it's origination. When you talk about my last female prime minister, we have not had one those in the U.S. Or the D.R., I beg for clarification on thus particular point.
I was talking about Michelle Pierre Louis from Haiti, she was PM in 2008 for a year or so before they booted her out.
She remains in Haiti working for an ONG and is hungry for some more fresh $$$$ feed for her big predatory claws, to grab, engulf and devour.
I am going to break it down for you why the an occupation is just plain crazy. However, I really do not want to highjack this thread, maybe we should open up a thread and discuss the future political status for Haiti and its implications for the U.S.
Generoso, do me a favor and look into the Haitian rice riots of the 1980's and 1990's and lets pick it from there. Also, if you want to venture deeper, you can read a little on the shockwave that the people of this black colony sent thru the western hemisphere in 1804. i believe that this event was more shocking and scary to Americans than what happened on 9/11. i love the U.S. and will never discredit it, unless is it is deserving of it, but I will tell you that the U.S. has been pretty evil for haiti.
The US occupation is not crazy. Writing a blank check to the present, past or future Haitian administrators would be sheer madness. It is like giving the keys to the family car, a bottle of scotch, a joint and $500 dollars to a teenager. You know that nothing good will come out of that.
I now about the rice snafu and blackmail that resulted thereafter. And regarding 1804 I know all about that, and I sympathize with the story. But that was over 200 years ago, just like the French blackmail and holding Haiti hostage for three generations. Haitians have to let go of the past glories as well as sins committed to them, and focus ONLY on the day to day steps to be taken to forge ahead, holding hands of course with the international community. There is only one way out of all that rubble and misery, and is the only way, shaking the dust of, not looking back and just marching ahead, and letting bygones be bygones.
Vous êtes une source d'inspiration et de connaissance profonde de ceux qui ont le plaisir de vous connaître. Merci et salut.
If you go back to the 1980's, when Haiti was actually able to produce more than enough rice to fee its people and sell some. it also had a thriving faming community and a rising middle class. in order for Haiti to continue developing, they requested a 240 million loan from the IMF, to further develop their infrastructure and systems. The conditions under which the loan was granted, was for Haiti to further open up their markets, than what they did in the occupation of 1915-1940.
So the result was an influx of cheap heavily subsidize rice from the southern Ameri
Remember, this happened to us, but the main difference is that our people are being absorbed into the service economy, which in terms dwindle the ability of a middle class to rise and became majority. This the reason why our economy does not manufacture or creates, but simply produce and does not require high education levels to earn a meager living.
Finally, in 1804, the American slaves owners helped France prove to the world that a Black nation will not prosper in the western hemisphere. Generoso, the U.S. refused to trade with HAITI, basically starving the island nation
This is the most honest behavior toward Haiti from the western world and I hope that the western world has finally gotten over the fact that yes, there is a purely African nation in the western hemisphere and they have to deal with it. I believe that all of us that have any African blood in us are to protect this country, since it is the purest representation of our African ancestry in the western world, so what if the Anglo do not like, they have to deal with it.
i hope that Mr. Obama stay the course in helping haiti, but not to verge on occupation, but cooperation with an international organization manag
Merci beaucoup, LEGIO PATRIA NOSTRA.
dagtan:
I hear all that you are saying, and I agree the rice fiasco was a very dumb move for Haiti, but the Haitian government at the time, which were the caretakers of the people, took that decision, and it was their responsibility and not anyone else. Haitians have to take responsibility for their irresponsible actions of the past, and stop blaming the whole world for their mishaps. Only Haitians are responsible for Haiti, no one else.
And if all the aid that the world is pouring into Haiti vanishes and disappears in one year, and Haiti has the begging bowl out again, and all the previous aid can not be accounted for, it will be the fault of the Haitians, not anybody else.
No more excuses for the past ills, forget the past and stop crying! The future is bright, take the hand that is being offered to Haiti by the whole world in solidarity, get up and surge forward, to a bright new future and rebuild Haiti NOW! Avant
I think that we leave it here and I hope to pick this up again in a near future. Hey, maybe if we ever get to materialize that get together from the site, we might go at it again.