Washington.– Haitians who were
already illegally in the U.S. are allowed to remain for the time being because of
their country's catastrophic earthquake, The Obama administration said Friday.
Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano
granted the temporary protected status on Friday, two days after she
temporarily halted deportations of Haitians, even those already in
detention.
The protection is only available to Haitians already in the
country as of last Tuesday, and allows them to stay and work for 18
months. Napolitano told the press that the temporary legal status is an act of compassion. "It's a horrible thing that has happened to Haiti," she said.
Temporary
protected status is granted to foreigners who may not be able to return
safely to their country because of a natural disaster, armed conflict
or other reasons.
The
pleas have been denied despite four tropical storms in 2008, massive
floods almost every other year since 2000 and the long-running
political strife that has prompted thousands to seek asylum in the U.S.
About 30,000 Haitians have orders to leave the U.S., according to Department of Homeland Security statistics. Many others are appealing their cases. The federal government estimates there are about 100,000 to 200,000 Haitians living in the U.S. illegally, Napolitano said.
Written by: anthonyC, 16 Jan 2010 10:10 AM
From: United States
Great...........Then they wonder why Obama has the lowest approval rating of ANY US President after one year.
Written by: Bizc8, 16 Jan 2010 10:35 AM
From: United States
AnthonyC, I'm not sure what to make of the statement you made. I guess your take on the whole thing is that they should go ahead and deport all those Haitians living in the US illegally anyways, huh? At what point does the "compassion" alarm go off in your brain?
Written by: dagtan, 16 Jan 2010 10:51 AM
From: United States
I think that the U.S. should implement a "peter pan or pedro pan" program for those haitians children who due to a natural disaster do n ot have any family or parents. This is actually needed more than the nice deal that the cubans got via the same program in the early 1960's. BTW, those cubans were in the hundred of thousands, so if any cuban in Miami complaints about another peter pan for the Haitians to Florida, SHAME ON THEM DISGRACEFUL BASTARDS.
Written by: Atabey, 16 Jan 2010 11:08 AM
From: United States, NYC
"Written by: anthonyC, 16 Jan 2010 10:10 AM
From: United States
Great...........Then they wonder why Obama has the lowest approval rating of ANY US President after one year."
And what exactly should the President of the richest and most powerful nation-state in the world do if not show mercy and compassion in these horrendous times for the people of Haiti?
Written by: anthonyC, 16 Jan 2010 11:35 AM
From: United States
Just think for a minute!
Don't you think that maybe all those Illegal Haitians in the US who have been granted temporary stay will then be allowed with permanent status?
From: United States
If they aren't engaging in any criminal activity they should be allowed to stay.
Written by: Atabey, 16 Jan 2010 11:42 AM
From: United States, NYC
anthonyC,
Caballero, our population is over 300 million people! Surely a few hundred thousands aren't going to break the bank. Compasión caballero.
From: United States
There is nothing temporary about TPS. Just look at the Hondurans, Nicaraguans granted TPS in 1999. Their countries have long recovered, but they are still here. Why? Because TPS can be extended indefinitely.What a joke!
From: Canada, Alberta
I hope Canada does the same as Obama. Thats what we need more of in this world helping out when things go bad.
Written by: Atabey, 16 Jan 2010 12:34 PM
From: United States, NYC
Doesn't change what I've stated. Es la hora de espresar compasión.
Written by: danny00, 16 Jan 2010 12:41 PM
From: United States, syosset, key west, santo domingo AND NOW THE GLOBE TROTTER
anthony c...... NOT A VERY INTELLINGENT REMARK..... but i gotten to know this site and expect STUPID REMARKS.....
dont know why im wasting my time u guys always have some BULLSHIT to say the united states and its pres.
BUILDING IS ON FIRE U SEND PEOPLE INSIDE TO LIVE?....
come onother countries that civil wars going on where welcome to the untied states.....
GUESS U do not realize the death of the problems in HAITI DO U?.. or u just "hate" them so much?
Written by: danny00, 16 Jan 2010 12:42 PM
From: United States, syosset, key west, santo domingo AND NOW THE GLOBE TROTTER
its already on the drawing board in canada...
Written by: danny00, 16 Jan 2010 12:44 PM
From: United States, syosset, key west, santo domingo AND NOW THE GLOBE TROTTER
u are right what u said....SHAME ON THEM DISGRACEFUL BASTARDS
thats what they are...
From: Dominican Republic
Does that exception clause apply those illegals that may have criminal backgrounds as well ?
Written by: anthonyC, 16 Jan 2010 6:00 PM
From: United States
Written by: mandouafrika, 16 Jan 2010 11:37 AM
"If they aren't engaging in any criminal activity they should be allowed to stay."
What part of ILLEGAL immigration don't you understand? The Fact that they are in the US is engaging in ILLEGAL ACTIVITY!!!!!
NOBODY TRY TO PLAY THE HIGH AND MIGHTY MORAL CARD ON ME.
I doubt that there is anybody who posts here who is doing more for Haitian relief than I am.
From: Dominican Republic
Are you relieving the Haitians or relieving yourself my friend ?
Written by: CeJota, 16 Jan 2010 8:55 PM
From: United States, Augusta Ga/ Philly Pa
at anthony C ....its better they go to the USA rather than DR since we can't afford them in US can...hell Israelis are loaded in NYC area which I know many are illegaly(expired school visas)
Written by: anthonyC, 16 Jan 2010 9:36 PM
From: United States
Illegal is Illegal!
I don't care what country you are from.
Entering the US illegally is a crime.
ALL ILLEGAL ALIENS ARE CRIMINALS!!!
Written by: Atabey, 16 Jan 2010 9:56 PM
From: United States, NYC
"But for the grace of God go I" Have someone translate that for you.
From: United States
Written by: anthonyC, 16 Jan 2010 6:00 PM
What part of ILLEGAL immigration don't you understand? The Fact that they are in the US is engaging in ILLEGAL ACTIVITY!!!!!
NOBODY TRY TO PLAY THE HIGH AND MIGHTY MORAL CARD ON ME.
I doubt that there is anybody who posts here who is doing more for Haitian relief than I am.
What I meant is that as long as they aren't commiting crimes while already having an illegal status.
Written by: anthonyC, 17 Jan 2010 12:53 AM
From: United States
"What I meant is that as long as they aren't commiting crimes while already having an illegal status. "
The fact that they are on USA soil illegally is a criminal act. So they are engaged in criminal activity.
From: United States, New brunswick NJ
Anthonyc I guess you are a native american so why is one illegal crying about other illegals.
Written by: Atabey, 17 Jan 2010 1:17 AM
From: United States, NYC
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/8463921.stmSenegal offers land to Haitians
Abdoulaye Wade said Haitians could "return to their origin"
Senegal's president says he will offer free land and "repatriation" to people affected by the earthquake in Haiti.
President Abdoulaye Wade said Haitians were sons and daughters of Africa since Haiti was founded by slaves, including some thought to be from Senegal.
"The president is offering voluntary repatriation to any Haitian that wants to return to their origin," said Mr Wade's spokesman, Mamadou Bemba Ndiaye.
Tuesday's earthquake killed tens of thousands and left many more homeless.
Buildings have been reduced to rubble, the distribution of aid is slow, and people have been flooding out of the devastated capital, Port-au-Prince.
"Senegal is ready to offer them parcels of land - even an entire region. It all depends on how many Haitians come," Mr Bemba Ndiaye said.
"If it's just a few individuals, then we will likely offer them hou
Written by: Atabey, 17 Jan 2010 1:21 AM
From: United States, NYC
He stressed that Wade had insisted that if a region is handed over it should be in a fertile area, not in the country's parched deserts.
Senegal, a nation of 14 million roughly the size of South Dakota, is considered one of the most stable and developed in the sub-region. Still nearly half of working-age adults are unemployed and the country has been burdened by high food prices, frequent blackouts and spiralling energy costs.
Many have criticised Wade for being a dreamer, proposing lofty projects that do little to alleviate poverty or address endemic corruption. Others see him as a statesman who dares to have a vision for Africa.
Written by: dagtan, 17 Jan 2010 10:20 AM
From: United States
Atabey, good job in getting this in before me. I was planning on reporting it last night but decided to go to bed instead. Atabey, remember that many Haitians are also part of the American Slaves Diaspora under Frederick Douglas and Abe Lincoln' s plan to remove them, so they did not suffer more under the American slave system. However, such method failed due to the fact that the Haitian landowners, ex-slaves themselves, enslaved these new comers, forcing Lincoln to consider emancipation instead.
History is a beautiful thing when one decides to study it an understand it.
On other news, yesterday, two Dominican nationals working at a mobile kitchen were shot in the Haitian capital. There is not much details, but they are in critical condition according to a report on cnbc.
Written by: anthonyC, 17 Jan 2010 12:04 PM
From: United States
Written by: centurion, 17 Jan 2010 1:00 AM
From: United States, New brunswick NJ
Anthonyc I guess you are a native american so why is one illegal crying about other illegals.
HAHAHAHAHA...............
I love when people use ignorance to debate facts.
No such thing as "Native Americans" The correct term is MIGRATORY ABORIGINALS."
BTW I am a Native American. I was born in the USA. A descendant of Legal Immigrants.
I have no patience for criminals.
Written by: abc200, 17 Jan 2010 2:37 PM
From: United Kingdom, Dominican Republic
US is a big empty land. Haitians will help build railways, schools, houses, wind turbines and contribute enormously to the economy. In the fine tradition of US hospitality aC could set up a welcoming committee to assist in their adjustment and show compassion at their loss.
S.
Written by: Atabey, 17 Jan 2010 3:36 PM
From: United States, NYC
"Atabey, remember that many Haitians are also part of the American Slaves Diaspora under Frederick Douglas and Abe Lincoln' s plan to remove them, so they did not suffer more under the American slave system. However, such method failed due to the fact that the Haitian landowners, ex-slaves themselves, enslaved these new comers, forcing Lincoln to consider emancipation instead.
History is a beautiful thing when one decides to study it an understand it."
African American interest in colonization increased. Haiti's president, Fabre Geffrard, hoping to ease the island's labor shortage, promoted policies that encouraged immigration but were not as generous as those offered in the 1820s.
Written by: Atabey, 17 Jan 2010 3:37 PM
From: United States, NYC
In March 1861, Holly sailed to Haiti with 111 migrants from Connecticut and Canada. During the course of the year, several other journeys brought 800 more to the island. Most were unprepared for life in a different environment. Many complained about the climate and the language barrier, and expressed contempt for Vodou and Catholicism. Haitians were often suspicious of the immigrants, whom they described as lazy and uncooperative. Most immigrants, who came from American cities, did not want to work on farms and sold the land they had received for free in order to settle in the urban centers, where they could not find work. In addition, the government's subsidy policy depleted the country's already minimal treasury by funding emigrants who often left after their four months were over. The majority of the Americans returned home, but others kept on arriving.
Written by: Atabey, 17 Jan 2010 3:38 PM
From: United States, NYC
President Abraham Lincoln had for some years advocated the removal of freed slaves as a partial solution to the nation's "race problem." In 1863, he supported the transportation of 453 men and women - most were former bondspeople from Virginia - to L'Ile-à-Vache, an island off the Haitian coast. The experiment failed due to inadequate planning and poor leadership. In less than a year, the survivors were returned to the United States.
Many Americans, black and white, were opposed to Haitian immigration. Their attacks were not as strong as those against Liberia, mainly because it was a movement initiated, for the most part, by African Americans. In fact, the 1854 National Emigration Convention actually endorsed Haitian immigration. But the opponents of Haiti were numerous. Frederick Douglass, who was opposed to emigration but had finally encouraged the Haitian movement, later abandoned the cause.
Written by: Atabey, 17 Jan 2010 3:43 PM
From: United States, NYC
Widespread migration to Haiti never materialized. Estimates of the number of African Americans who made the trip range from eight thousand to thirteen thousand, but most returned to the United States. Unlike the situation in Liberia, the island's fairly large but mostly transient African-American community left no lasting evidence of its presence."
I know this history. And check out the last sentence.
Written by: thresha, 18 Jan 2010 2:09 AM
From: United States
AnthonyC, you talking like you have don't have a heart.... i'm not saying we owed Haiti something, but we just have to remember Haiti helped US get our independence. and least we can do right now is to help these ppl pulled through. we are not God, we are ppl that living in a much better situation than them. it could happen to us.
ALL ILLEGAL ALIENS ARE CRIMINALS!!!
I didn't know looking for a better life was called criminal, if other countries like Iraq has to give us name what kinda names do u think they will call us. Putting our noses in their business and specially where we not welcome. Do we have a Visa to go there with our armies.huh...
Written by: dagtan, 18 Jan 2010 9:40 AM
From: United States
Good job Atabey, yes that is precisely the point and the fact that this might be in order in the reverse way is interesting.
Moreover, we have a fair share of African migration as a reaction to the racial tensions here in the 17th century. As you might know the Samana peninsula is largely African American or decents from a large group of African Americans numbering in between 800-1200 that landed there in the 1860's.
Written by: anthonyC, 18 Jan 2010 10:49 AM
From: United States
I know some people from the left cannot grasp certain concepts like Facts but try to follow simple logic.
FACTS.
Entering the country without permission is a criminal act
Remaining in the US after your time allowed by Immigration is a criminal act
committing a criminal act makes you a criminal.
ALL ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS ARE CRIMINALS.
There is no debate on this fact. No spin. No excuses.
Written by: abc200, 18 Jan 2010 11:46 AM
From: United Kingdom, Dominican Republic
Oh! for sure - something like the criminals who spit on the sidewalk or park their car in wrong place of heaven forbid do not cut their front garden grass short enough or wear too skimpy a Bikini in Miami beaches.
I agree, wholeheartedly A, they should pay their taxes, some already do, and perhaps a 20 dollar a month fine. And recofngized as undocumented guest workers.
S.
Written by: Atabey, 18 Jan 2010 1:31 PM
From: United States, NYC
Dagtan,
While the current situation is urgent, I would like to propose that the long-term option should include the nation of France making amends for their historical raping and pillaging of the people and nation of Haiti by offering a third of the department of Guiana in South America for a New Haiti to emerge. The African slaves that fought the French Army for liberation and won their War of Liberation in 1804 were later ostracized and required to pay-back huge sums in reparations to France in order to be recognized by the international Community in the 1800s. It took Abraham Lincoln and the American Civil War to finally establish diplomatic relations with Haiti. France gives Haiti a part of what you stole! Give Haiti and her people a chance at modernity. France should partition a third of French Guiana and it give to the Haitians as free state. Any reconstruction monies should go towards fulfilling that. French Guiana is fertile, beautiful and sparsely populated with onl
Written by: Atabey, 18 Jan 2010 1:32 PM
From: United States, NYC
Any reconstruction monies should go towards fulfilling that. French Guiana is fertile, beautiful and sparsely populated with only a population of around 230,000 people.
French Guiana
Area 83,534 km2 (32,252.7 sq mi)
Population: 230,000
Hispaniola
Area 76,480 km2 (29,529 sq mi)
Population: 19,000,000
Clearly there is enough unused area to create a free Haitian state in French Guiana being that most of French Guiana is beautiful lush jungle. All France would have to do is keep the French Foreign Legion there to make sure over deforestation doesn't occur.
Written by: rakman1, 19 Jan 2010 11:54 PM
From: United States
It's amazing that as a country, our government runs into Haiti to be the "good guys" and our news stations broadcast the blood and gore 24 hours a day, and tell us how great we're doing by texting money to Haiti.
Then our President realizes that they may want even more help, so we finally say, "Nope, sorry, we can't help you anymore."
While we are sitting in our beautiful houses and our SUVs and sitting in traffic going to our jobs, these people have nothing. We help them until it inconveniences us.
How sick is this? I mean we've heard the analogy already -- it happened (and is still happening) in Katrina and that is OUR country... Does it really matter what we call ours? We're all people. Are we really going to let bureaucracy and fear rear their ugly head when we have the opporunity of a lifetime to start improving our world as a whole just by helping these poor people?
I guess the coming months and the "recovery effort" will reveal the answer.
Written by: abc200, 20 Jan 2010 12:49 AM
From: United Kingdom, Dominican Republic
100% behind your statement Rak. Estimates are that there are 1,000,000 orphans in Hati right now!
US people can easily forgo changing the car for a couple of years so the car factories can turn out simple prefabricated dwellings and shelters that can withstand any earthquake.
I was very prvilged to hear Baker speak at Cambridge Univeristy. He is famous for theories of plastic deformation and for design the WW2 Morrison shelter. He was a real engineer meeting human needs - not a punk like Glol.
The Morrion shelter he designed let people survive in collapsing buildings..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Baker,_Baron_Baker
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air-raid_shelter#Anderson_shelterOver half a milion were made.
He worked with a slide rule and comptometers
http://www2.cruzio.com/~vagabond/Models.html#SuperTotal
Buidings do not collapse instantly. There is often time to dive under a table. Also metal frame buildings
Written by: abc200, 20 Jan 2010 1:14 AM
From: United Kingdom, Dominican Republic
with advanced steel frames are good at withstanding earthquakes.
Yet punk engineers like Glo are intent on trashing the planet and producing any number of crap automobiles and not producing devices and structures that could save huge numbers of lives both in the USA and in the developing countries.
I was once invited to review th research projects of a mechanical engineering department of a major university. Only 10% of the projects addressed a real human need. I guess it is the same in the Univesities of the Evil Empire.
Glo Mr. AV presentation man -do I get 5/10 for eloquence?
S.
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Great...........Then they wonder why Obama has the lowest approval rating of ANY US President after one year."
And what exactly should the President of the richest and most powerful nation-state in the world do if not show mercy and compassion in these horrendous times for the people of Haiti?
Don't you think that maybe all those Illegal Haitians in the US who have been granted temporary stay will then be allowed with permanent status?
Caballero, our population is over 300 million people! Surely a few hundred thousands aren't going to break the bank. Compasión caballero.
dont know why im wasting my time u guys always have some BULLSHIT to say the united states and its pres.
BUILDING IS ON FIRE U SEND PEOPLE INSIDE TO LIVE?....
come onother countries that civil wars going on where welcome to the untied states.....
GUESS U do not realize the death of the problems in HAITI DO U?.. or u just "hate" them so much?
thats what they are...
"If they aren't engaging in any criminal activity they should be allowed to stay."
What part of ILLEGAL immigration don't you understand? The Fact that they are in the US is engaging in ILLEGAL ACTIVITY!!!!!
NOBODY TRY TO PLAY THE HIGH AND MIGHTY MORAL CARD ON ME.
I doubt that there is anybody who posts here who is doing more for Haitian relief than I am.
I don't care what country you are from.
Entering the US illegally is a crime.
ALL ILLEGAL ALIENS ARE CRIMINALS!!!
What part of ILLEGAL immigration don't you understand? The Fact that they are in the US is engaging in ILLEGAL ACTIVITY!!!!!
NOBODY TRY TO PLAY THE HIGH AND MIGHTY MORAL CARD ON ME.
I doubt that there is anybody who posts here who is doing more for Haitian relief than I am.
What I meant is that as long as they aren't commiting crimes while already having an illegal status.
The fact that they are on USA soil illegally is a criminal act. So they are engaged in criminal activity.
Senegal offers land to Haitians
Abdoulaye Wade said Haitians could "return to their origin"
Senegal's president says he will offer free land and "repatriation" to people affected by the earthquake in Haiti.
President Abdoulaye Wade said Haitians were sons and daughters of Africa since Haiti was founded by slaves, including some thought to be from Senegal.
"The president is offering voluntary repatriation to any Haitian that wants to return to their origin," said Mr Wade's spokesman, Mamadou Bemba Ndiaye.
Tuesday's earthquake killed tens of thousands and left many more homeless.
Buildings have been reduced to rubble, the distribution of aid is slow, and people have been flooding out of the devastated capital, Port-au-Prince.
"Senegal is ready to offer them parcels of land - even an entire region. It all depends on how many Haitians come," Mr Bemba Ndiaye said.
"If it's just a few individuals, then we will likely offer them hou
Senegal, a nation of 14 million roughly the size of South Dakota, is considered one of the most stable and developed in the sub-region. Still nearly half of working-age adults are unemployed and the country has been burdened by high food prices, frequent blackouts and spiralling energy costs.
Many have criticised Wade for being a dreamer, proposing lofty projects that do little to alleviate poverty or address endemic corruption. Others see him as a statesman who dares to have a vision for Africa.
History is a beautiful thing when one decides to study it an understand it.
On other news, yesterday, two Dominican nationals working at a mobile kitchen were shot in the Haitian capital. There is not much details, but they are in critical condition according to a report on cnbc.
From: United States, New brunswick NJ
Anthonyc I guess you are a native american so why is one illegal crying about other illegals.
HAHAHAHAHA...............
I love when people use ignorance to debate facts.
No such thing as "Native Americans" The correct term is MIGRATORY ABORIGINALS."
BTW I am a Native American. I was born in the USA. A descendant of Legal Immigrants.
I have no patience for criminals.
S.
History is a beautiful thing when one decides to study it an understand it."
African American interest in colonization increased. Haiti's president, Fabre Geffrard, hoping to ease the island's labor shortage, promoted policies that encouraged immigration but were not as generous as those offered in the 1820s.
Many Americans, black and white, were opposed to Haitian immigration. Their attacks were not as strong as those against Liberia, mainly because it was a movement initiated, for the most part, by African Americans. In fact, the 1854 National Emigration Convention actually endorsed Haitian immigration. But the opponents of Haiti were numerous. Frederick Douglass, who was opposed to emigration but had finally encouraged the Haitian movement, later abandoned the cause.
I know this history. And check out the last sentence.
ALL ILLEGAL ALIENS ARE CRIMINALS!!!
I didn't know looking for a better life was called criminal, if other countries like Iraq has to give us name what kinda names do u think they will call us. Putting our noses in their business and specially where we not welcome. Do we have a Visa to go there with our armies.huh...
Moreover, we have a fair share of African migration as a reaction to the racial tensions here in the 17th century. As you might know the Samana peninsula is largely African American or decents from a large group of African Americans numbering in between 800-1200 that landed there in the 1860's.
FACTS.
Entering the country without permission is a criminal act
Remaining in the US after your time allowed by Immigration is a criminal act
committing a criminal act makes you a criminal.
ALL ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS ARE CRIMINALS.
There is no debate on this fact. No spin. No excuses.
I agree, wholeheartedly A, they should pay their taxes, some already do, and perhaps a 20 dollar a month fine. And recofngized as undocumented guest workers.
S.
While the current situation is urgent, I would like to propose that the long-term option should include the nation of France making amends for their historical raping and pillaging of the people and nation of Haiti by offering a third of the department of Guiana in South America for a New Haiti to emerge. The African slaves that fought the French Army for liberation and won their War of Liberation in 1804 were later ostracized and required to pay-back huge sums in reparations to France in order to be recognized by the international Community in the 1800s. It took Abraham Lincoln and the American Civil War to finally establish diplomatic relations with Haiti. France gives Haiti a part of what you stole! Give Haiti and her people a chance at modernity. France should partition a third of French Guiana and it give to the Haitians as free state. Any reconstruction monies should go towards fulfilling that. French Guiana is fertile, beautiful and sparsely populated with onl
Any reconstruction monies should go towards fulfilling that. French Guiana is fertile, beautiful and sparsely populated with only a population of around 230,000 people.
French Guiana
Area 83,534 km2 (32,252.7 sq mi)
Population: 230,000
Hispaniola
Area 76,480 km2 (29,529 sq mi)
Population: 19,000,000
Clearly there is enough unused area to create a free Haitian state in French Guiana being that most of French Guiana is beautiful lush jungle. All France would have to do is keep the French Foreign Legion there to make sure over deforestation doesn't occur.
Then our President realizes that they may want even more help, so we finally say, "Nope, sorry, we can't help you anymore."
While we are sitting in our beautiful houses and our SUVs and sitting in traffic going to our jobs, these people have nothing. We help them until it inconveniences us.
How sick is this? I mean we've heard the analogy already -- it happened (and is still happening) in Katrina and that is OUR country... Does it really matter what we call ours? We're all people. Are we really going to let bureaucracy and fear rear their ugly head when we have the opporunity of a lifetime to start improving our world as a whole just by helping these poor people?
I guess the coming months and the "recovery effort" will reveal the answer.
US people can easily forgo changing the car for a couple of years so the car factories can turn out simple prefabricated dwellings and shelters that can withstand any earthquake.
I was very prvilged to hear Baker speak at Cambridge Univeristy. He is famous for theories of plastic deformation and for design the WW2 Morrison shelter. He was a real engineer meeting human needs - not a punk like Glol.
The Morrion shelter he designed let people survive in collapsing buildings..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Baker,_Baron_Baker
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Air-raid_shelter#Anderson_shelter
Over half a milion were made.
He worked with a slide rule and comptometers
http://www2.cruzio.com/~vagabond/Models.html#SuperTotal
Buidings do not collapse instantly. There is often time to dive under a table. Also metal frame buildings
Yet punk engineers like Glo are intent on trashing the planet and producing any number of crap automobiles and not producing devices and structures that could save huge numbers of lives both in the USA and in the developing countries.
I was once invited to review th research projects of a mechanical engineering department of a major university. Only 10% of the projects addressed a real human need. I guess it is the same in the Univesities of the Evil Empire.
Glo Mr. AV presentation man -do I get 5/10 for eloquence?
S.