I hope there is no further lose of life!

Lets pray for the entire island, in the name of Jesus Christ that things will stablilize. Amen.

so much for all the words from the scientists and seismologists ...they have been no help at all in their comments . we need to evaluate all the potential danger spots throughout the DR and bring in proper standards in the construction industry for all new buildings but especially for foundations, correct concrete reinforcements and correct concrete compositions ,,at least the equivalent to Wellington New Zealand which also has regular tremours.

Ironthinker, you better sit down and wait for that to happen.

Same thing was sad about iraq.

This really freaking me out, I really fear for this crap to happen in the heavely populated area that my family lives in Santiago. They have now been surrounded by these 5-10 stories condos and just to think that those things were not built to standard is very scary.

Oh, God make it stop, no more please. Misericordia.

"so much for all the words from the scientists and seismologists ...they have been no help at all in their comments . we need to evaluate all the potential danger spots throughout the DR and bring in proper standards in the construction industry for all new buildings but especially for foundations, correct concrete reinforcements and correct concrete compositions ,,at least the equivalent to Wellington New Zealand which also has regular tremours."

Ricardolito, that's one of he best things I've heard from a poster on here since this happened.

PLatanos,
Hvargas raised an intresting point a few days ago about the U.S always sending the Calvary charging in while eveyone else is sending Doctors when the crap hits the fan in an area where thier intrests are being threatened .hmmmmmm. When you think about it , W sat stone faced in front of the worlds cameras and swore on his poppis sock drawer that the occupation of Iraq was nothing less than a great humanitarian effort in the best intrests of the Iraqi people to liberate them from the clutches of another terrorist boogieman under the bed . Dont you find it intresting that in response to this invasion, Saddam,decided to light the countrys oil fields on fire instead of his people and thier corn flake supply for all the world to see?

Just like the parable of the rich man and Lazarous, Haiti has always been a poor dirt farmer in her benevolant Uncle Sams back yard and until the Haitian equivalant of 911 took place, the U.S hasnt so much as opened a soup kitchen on Thanksgiving for these people . but now that THIER INTRESTS ARE BEING THREATENED while Slick Willys suite in the palace lies under the dust with his blu print for Disney Hispanola, the flags are up and the new air strips are down. Rest assured, the last time it was oil but this time the olympic committe on capital hill is literally going for the gold dat be in dem hills pa , AND theres plenty of room next to Willys statue on that hillside for Hillary to erect her ''sax 5th ave'' and castle with a view.

I go blueprint for a floating city,,,,,fly the haitian to French Guiana for refugee camp

This is a truly an unthinkable night mare for the entire island . God have mercy on them . Im sitting here at work with a Haitian co-worker who left Haiti only 12 hours before the first quake hit and hes telling me that this second quake was felt throughout the whole country and may be worst than the first. How can the D.R not suffer as a result of this. Mark my words ! As a gesture of good will (not to mention scoring a few more points) , the immigration laws that already do not apply in the D.R are going to change overnight . Wait and see if Leonel ( like Obama) isn't granting immunity to already illegal immigrants while he welcomes the upcoming surge of hundreds of thousands of displaced refugees with open arms even though he has no where to put them .(at the suggestion of his puppeteers of course).

Dios Ten Misericordia.

The troubling aspect to all this is that once this phase of the horrendous event is over, picking up the pieces will not be as easy and as amenable to stability in Haiti, and I fear also in the DR. Here's why: As per UN stats in 2007, Haiti's population of under 18 was 5.461 million! What that stat indicates is a pent-up population Time Bomb that will be made worse by the horrific conditions caused by the earthquake of last week. There are close to 20 million people on the entire island of Hispaniola, and if trends continue for the next ten years, we could all be witnessing scenes out of the 1980s when mass starvation hit East Africa and millions perished. How this population Time Bomb will impact the Dominican Republic is also not too difficult to predict: conflict and mass violence. I hope the Big Boys pay attention here, because it will get very nasty and brutish if they think of a hold-and-see strategy for this catastrophe. Re-settlement should seriously be looked at.

Atabey,
Im glad to see that the novacaine is finally wearing off my friend . Where have I read these words before ?

I guess they don't want our help?? :(
http://thestar.com.my/news/story....._0_-455533-1&sec=Worldupdates

How come they didn't reject the USA troops? I guess they see us as adversaries, eventhough we just want to help.
Let's just keep those troops around the border, they can be useful there keeping the tree cutter in check.

Jersey,
Its because the paper airplanes that Leo is making out of his tissue box and then throwing across the border are getting shot down by the restless natives.

I have a feeling TELEMECO and ATABEY are one in the same. Posting the same racist/insensitive comments HHHMMMM!!!

Atabaey would make even Slick Willy proud , the way he ''waffles'' with his 2 faced ,hypocritical inconsistincies . As soon as hes backed in to a corner by his own unfounded facts , he starts singing a different tune . The Dominican government needs more men like him in the camp . Especially at a time like this.

Jesus Christ died!
we need to evaluate all the potential danger spots throughout the DR = The METRO bye bye

" Dieu est grand " no dearth at this moment

IronThinker New Orleans isn't even fully reconstructed yet and it's been 4 years. Haiti is out for the count.

Winner by T.K.O .
I said ysterday that if W. had been in the oval office that the response to this disaster would look little different than Katrina . No importa, because even if there is a ''well intended'' president who has learned from his predececors mistakes, he has still not learned to fix the leak in his own toilet before trying to stop the damn from bursting across the sea. Any wonder where Leo is getting these ideas as he tries to play messiah at the border ? Haiti is a little better than screwed.

"Atabaey would make even Slick Willy proud , the way he ''waffles'' with his 2 faced ,hypocritical inconsistincies . As soon as hes backed in to a corner by his own unfounded facts , he starts singing a different tune . The Dominican government needs more men like him in the camp . Especially at a time like this."

Again DH you have hit the proverbial nail on the head.

He is the Mini-Me of LIE-onel Fernandez!

MSJersey

we are greatfull for your help.However it is not us who is in charge at the moment it is The United States Southern Command, they decide who gets in Haiti at the moment
Preval role at the moment is only to sign consent forms.

To Bliss, welcome Sir, thank you for calling a Spade a Spade as the expression goes.

ATABEY is spreading fear. HATE MONGER is the word. he pulls numbers stories out of his azz. I use to laugh but now I have to respond. ATABEY PLEASE do us a favor join a jim jones colony and drink the kool-aid.


Really? Why don't you argue the fact?. Instead of making false comments. I guess your name says all that needs to be said about you: "ignorance is bliss"

"Atabaey would make even Slick Willy proud , the way he ''waffles'' with his 2 faced ,hypocritical inconsistincies . As soon as hes backed in to a corner by his own unfounded facts , he starts singing a different tune . The Dominican government needs more men like him in the camp . Especially at a time like this."


Please state where I've posted misinformation?

It's your anti-US anti-Leonel bias that prevents you from seeing the grayness in which the real world operates. Your leftist ideas would do to the DR what it has accomplished in nearby Cuba: a dead Nation and State. Argue the facts dude.

Who called you that?

You are one hateful person or you may be confusing me with someone else?

Lil Atabey,
And when the smoke has cleared , and you have climbed the tower with your prince in his 3 piece suit to rescue Martha and your choking economy , you and the rest of your glee club will come down the ladder with nothing more to show for it except a bad case of poison ivy and the freedom to bitch about how poor you still are and how them capitalists took away your last stretch of beach . Long live Leo !

Argue the merits of the facts, not the person. You guys get off on trying to outhit people instead of engaging in any real discussions. And so it turns into a mud-bath with hate-filled statements and recriminations. That's not what I'm looking for. So again I ask: where have I posted statement that are untrue?

More waffles but this time with Hellado !

Argue the facts.

Is Haiti heading for a population explosion or not? And, if so, what impact will this have on DR's future? I try and start a rational discussion and people want to attack the messenger with personal attacks, argue the facts not the person.

Esta bien , con azucar de polvo tambien !

No hay manera. adíos

"people want to attack the messenger with personal attacks"

I feel your pain!

Bring in Michael Bolton and a new waffle iron !

Ho Ho llego Josean

Argue the merits caballeros, not the person.

''Make the rich pay thier fair share , give tha lil guy a break ''oooooo boya''

Los tres amigos are joined?

Hasta manana compadres ,si Adios quiere !

Gustarias Salsa de chocolate ? Si o no ?
Hasta manana compadres ,si Adios quiere !

This thing is Dominican??? ,I don't think so!! Just another troll or another manifestation (infestation) of one of our regular DT Trolls!

don't delete some of the things you wrote and try and sound rational now. Where did you get the numbers from? Who paid for those studies? Any intelligent person knows you can have a study to prove or disprove your agenda. All it takes is money. Goodbye you guys. You live in LALA.

I have no ill will towards Dominicans or anyone on this planet. We're here for a short period of time. Will a population explosion in Haiti negatively affect DR yes. You have a large uneducated population, depress wages etc. It's the same in the US, Domincans, Mexican, etc come and do the minial jobs. That what keeps the wheel turning.

Who is DR 2nd largest trading partner? It only makes sense to work together then calling people monkey and making sly racist remarks about going back to Africa. We are all on this part of the planet by chance.

Rich or poor one day we all die. A real ACADEMIC WILL TELL YOU WHY HAITI IS SCREWED. THE FOUNDATION O

Me and atabey the same,,,,how bright are you ,,,can someone share the same believe, i support atabey to send the haitian to FRENCH GUIANA



Iam not a racist, i am just not a sentimental fool,,,,,in Six month you see what i am talking about

MS JERSEY. People have an instinct to survive. If I was in charge haiti wouldn't be this bare (lack of forest). Unfortunately our uh hum leaders don't care and they line their pockets and go back for more aid to enrich themselves and their cronies. People will do things out of desperation to feed themselves and their family even if they know the consequences of their actions.

Their should be an agressive plan to get people from cutting trees. Shooting them is not the answer it shows you don't value human life. Short term in prison and fine. Give them another way to earn a decent living.

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You live in Paterson. I should have known. Which bodega or clothing store can I find you? Go to school and broaden your mind hence my screen name

You are one sad dude. And should read my posts from last week. Argue on the merits, the facts.

Haiti's 2007 population profile was 5.461 million people at or under the age of 18. (UN data 2007).

The awful Act of God devastation of last week will make things more difficult for Haiti. A given.

What would any thinking person extrapolate from the above: A probable explosive population growth for Haiti in the coming decade.

How will this explosive growth affect the DR? That's the issue for Dominicans and for all those friendly to our current and future predicaments.

Instead of saying non-sense and reverting to personal attacks, show me where my judgment is faulty, my conclusions unreasonable. Now that might be asking too much from your limited faculties of reasoning.

http://www.un.org/esa/population/....2007/Country_Statements/Haiti.pdf
6.7 million people under 18. LOL.
The study clearly states age 15-64 58.3% of the population. Read further and tell me what you see. That's a wide gap. Mortality rate in Haiti is 61 years of age.
Yes high birth rate breed poverty. I will agree with you. You showed me your true colors calling me a monkey. LMFAO. admit it be a man SAY YES YOU DID IT dont be a coward.
Stop scaring people the Nazis did the same. Send me the link where you found those numbers and prove me wrong.

Where do you get this I called you a m----y business from? You are confusing me with someone else.

Remember with the internet everyone has access to the same info so you can't twist things to push your bias agenda. You should love your country but you know if it was poor blond hair and blue eyes(and not black people) coming to DR you would welcome them with open arms.
AND YOU SAY HAITIANS are stupid. We don't attack Dominicans living in Haiti. Kill them with Machetes because they're Dominicans. So HAITIANS ARE STUPID AND SAVAGES LOL!!!!!

That's rich

Atabey


drink the kool aid. PLEASE

Atabey yo escribí que el es un clon de alguno de los que suelen entrar aquí y usé el refrán "mono aunque se vista de seda mono queda" y el muy imbécil lo ha tomado como un ataque racista .

Yo no le haría mucho caso ,este personaje no tiene nada de nuevo y dentro de poco sabremos quien se esconde detrás de esa mascara!

I STAND CORRECTED THE POPULATION TOTAL SHOULD READ 5, 461,000

But that still does not make my argument in correct. I made a mistake adding the sums. Please show me where I'm mistaken in my reasoning and extrapolation?

http://www.unicef.org/infobycountry/haiti_statistics.html

Chech out DEMOGRAPHIC INDICATORS

1. Population (thousands),2007, under 18 4211
2. Population (thousands), 2007, under 5 1250 My mistake was "seeing" 2500 instead of 1250
TOTAL 5,461

But still don't understand where you get that I called you a m-----y? Where?

Gracias Pepe32.

Oye, las estadisticas del UN son alarmantes, no?

Verdad Atabey,pero creo que desperdicias perlas con el cerdo..

De acuerdo.

ignoranceisbliss

First your nick say it all you are ignorant

you might be right anyone in the net can become anybody, in this case, you are wrong, i have no clue who ATABEY is,,,,i am from Paterson and from the province of Monte Plata. born and raise

Iam U.S ex military i have simpathy for the haitian cause but i am no fool,,,this simpatic business is going to hurt DR in the long thing, if you think my view are racist of somewhat, read my post again, i am ex military and will alway give you a military point the of view, hearless and carculate,,get the job done brain wash or not, it get done

PEPE tu viste la vaina que a comenzando

ignoranceisbliss

First your nick say it all you are ignorant

you might be right anyone in the net can become anybody, in this case, you are wrong, i have no clue who ATABEY is,,,,i am from Paterson and from the province of Monte Plata. born and raise

Iam U.S ex military i have simpathy for the haitian cause but i am no fool,,,this simpatic business is going to hurt DR in the long thing, if you think my view are racist of somewhat, read my post again, i am ex military and will alway give you a military point the of view, hearless and carculate,,get the job done brain wash or not, it get done

PEPE tu viste la vaina que a comenzando

pepe32,

Dejate de vainas, y mira lo que tu a causado entre telemeco y HB. Tu sabes que tu eres un lioso de los primero aqui, y eres como los gatos, que tira la piedra y despues esconde la mano. Telemeco es militar y te puede volar el pecueso come decimo nosotros en el cibao, tranquilo pepe. LOL

what branch telemeco. Where were you stationed? What city and state? what's your rank? I don't mind a person being blunt. People will look out for their own best interest. I respect that. Self-preservation. However when people like ATABEY distort numbers and misconstrue facts and make Sly comments like go back to Africa I will call you out.
I laughed at first but I will respond. I live in union NJ.

True investment is being pumped into Haiti and what happens now. Our 2 economies will be intertwined. Who is DR's 2nd largest trading partner? Why not build a wall and don't talk to each other. Wait you talk to your neighbors in Paterson what makes you feel on a tiny Island you don't need to talk or learn about your next door neighbor.
I know and you know if the immigrants were poor but had blond hair and blue eyes you guys would welcome them with open arms. You need to perfect the race. You need to love the man in the mirror first and foremost.

PEPE Telemeco ATABEY. Truth sometimes is a matter of interpretation. 3 people can see the same thing and give 3 different answers. Everyone process info differently. Pumping yourself up to be something your not by putting other people down will make you feel good, however, at the end of the day you still have to look in the mirror. The poorest people always blame immigrants for their problems.

Telemeco you live in Paterson so who does all the construction dishwashing and manure jobs in the surrounding areas? What language do they speak?
Atabey your math is too fuzzy. How was the data gathered. What were they trying to accomplish? Trying to raise funding maybe. That would mean they have to present the most dire projections to get the most money.
You guys sound like Nazi Germany blaming the jews and gypsies for everything wrong in Germany. History tells you everything comes full circle.

I can't say those numbers are right or wrong but I take the with a grain of salt

One eventually grows tired of extending one's benevolent hand to every area of the world experiencing disasters, only to be maligned by the recipients, bench quarterbacks and cynics.

The US has committed doctors, field clinics, food, water, security, order, much money, helicopters and transport planes, medicine, etc, etc, etc. Way, way much more than many other countries if not the aggregate of all contributors, yet some here cannot help themselves and pass on opportunity to criticize and malign this great nation.

Look, I am not so sure Preval could run a colmado well, much less handle a crisis of this magnitude. He is way above his head on this one. Preservation and rescue of human life is more important than Haitian government, and we are not going to stand on side while some people suffer and die. Situation dictated this action. Period.

Perhaps the US should step back and let Castro, Hugo and UN take the baton, which should bring much happiness to some here.

MJEV.

El FMI propone un 'plan Marshall' Good news for Haiti and DR.
EL PAÍS - Madrid - 21/01/2010

Dominique Strauss-Kahn, el director gerente del Fondo Monetario Internacional (FMI), hizo ayer un llamamiento para poner en marcha un plan Marshall para la reconstrucción de Haití. "Haití, que se ha visto azotado por crisis, el alza de los precios del combustible y la comida, huracanes y ahora el terremoto; necesita un plan de asistencia multilateral para la reconstrucción, algo grande, una especie de plan Marshall", dijo, según la web del organismo.

El FMI ha prometido un préstamo sin intereses de 100 millones de dólares (unos 70 millones de euros) para que el Gobierno haga frente a las labores urgentes. "El Fondo está trabajando con los donantes para tratar de eliminar la deuda de Haití, incluyendo nuestro nuevo préstamo. Si tenemos éxito, el esfuerzo será fundamental para el futuro de Haití", añadió el jefe del FMI.

I would not advocate or support handing reconstruction money over to any 3rd world government; instead, I would advocate setting the money in escrow and the appointment of of an outside entity to manage the resources and pay contractors as work is completed.

The history of the region is just too replete with grafting and corruption and misappropriation. This cycle must be stopped, and maybe Haiti affords logical start. I would definitely advocate similarly for Dr, especially DR, for I am infinitely more acquainted with its history than with Haiti's. In DR, no one is to be trusted-no one. Period.

MJEV.

These tremors are mother nature getting back at haiti for destroying her landscape....

Pat Robertson has arrived!

Wow, Franco, what is wrong with you.

So, you are actully saying that our own nightmares with quakes, the last terrible resulting in the lost of Santiago city, which is still burried today as a reminder of how powerful nature is. Think about how the family of the people that perished in the old santiago, including some of my distance relatives, if you come and tell them. Oh, BTW, this happened to you guys for not taking care of your trees and practicing los palos.

You are simply out of touch with reality or a Haitian did something terrible to your love life.

ignoranceisbliss,

US Navy 7th fleet Sasebo Japan MCM 5 mine countermeasure Google it USS Guardian

I am from paterson, you looking for me can find me 20th st and Market,,,,right at the liquor store. no i am not working cleaning toilet or dishwashing but selling liquor. to all you haitian right now

Mother nature getting back at haiti for deforesting, lol,,,,more like the whole carribean basin is moving look at the map

Ok. no one is looking for you. I have a life and bills to pay. LMFAO I had a little respect for you because your a military man until your stupid comment. Deforestation Is totally wrong but if you've travelled you know people will do anything to survive. People cut the trees out of desperation because the goverment is corrupt and didn't provide for its people.
You know the island sits on a fault line. Theirs 2 fault lines that run thru the island. You know this because you read it on the internet just like I did. This is why I had to respond to you guys because of stupid comments like your last statement.
Again, I appreciate the help the compassionte Dominicans (our brothers and sisters) have given Haiti in this tough time. The idea that what happens "over there" doesn't affect us is totally false. We are one island and one world.
Learn and respect Each other
Information is power and the internet makes everyone equal

telemeco,estos piti siempre dicen ser o catedráticos o militares en EEUU pero si el Dominicano es "jablador" lo aprendió de los Haitianos porque esta gente tiene aires de grandeza y siempre están inventando cosas porque saben que nadie lo puede verificar en el foro!

Este entró como oveja dizque buscando paz pero dale tiempo que al poco tiempo saldrá su naturaleza a relucir!

PEPE this is my true colors. you don't need to pity my you need to respect me and others. I guess the people on here stopped with the monkey comments. Let's all get along. Everyone is now defensive. You can verify everything I said. GOOGLE. Technology is great isn't it. Prove me a liar or prove me right.
I love everyone and sly comments like yours Pepe is what I'm talking about.

Thank you to all the good compassionate Dominicans that have helped Haiti. We're on One island letting these people play with our heads and distort the truth. If something doesn't make senge google the info and the truth with come out. I love evryone even you ATABEY for calling me a monkey.

ANYONE ON THE FORUM CAN GOOGLE ANYTHING I SAY!!!!!!!!!!

Bliss,

The term "piti" is used in our local language as a derogatory term to refer to those haitians that got away from Trujillo's liquidation.

I trully hate that term and I have never used it , nor would I ever do, it is like calling an African American nigger or worst.

Pepe32, as Dominican I am bothered about the frequency in which you use that term, it is simply down right nasty and ignorant to keep bringin that garbage up, unless you are proud of that dark hour in our history.

Bliss, "piti" originated in the time of the hatian purge by Trujillo and there was a priest in the cibao area, Bonao to be more exact, who refused to give up a young hatian that he was housing for deportation (in reality killing by the military). This haitian name was piti and the story became a runaway in our secular culture. But instead of heroism, it was turned into an act of jokeness and mockery toward those hatians that remained or dark skinned Dominicans who look like haitians.

Llegas, cuentas y te vas: ¡adios Haití!
Si todo sigue el curso que hemos vivido en otros momentos, pronto los medios de comunicación comenzarán a centrar su atención en otros temas
GABRIELA WARKENTIN 21/01/2010

¿Cuándo comenzaremos a olvidarnos de Haití?

Las tragedias tienen la dimensión de la atención mediática que atraen. A eso nos estamos acostumbrando. Y me temo que con Haití puede suceder lo mismo. Llevamos poco más de una semana del seísmo devastador, de sus casi incontables réplicas, y pareciera que ya lo vimos todo. ¿La historia dará para más? ¿Las audiencias mantendrán el interés o muy pronto vendrá otra tragedia espectacular que vuelva hacia sí la mirada de todos y relegue a Haití a donde estuvo antes del infausto 12 de enero: en la nada informativa? Porque hay que reconocerlo: en el radar de casi nadie estaba Haití, a pesar de todo. Y también por ello duele tanto. No estoy siendo cínica, sólo precavida.

Dagtan. Again thanks for the enlightment. We are one in the same and we need to sit at the table and air out the differences. My comment about Leonel (offering troops) who I think is helping the Haitian cause before the earthquake was to inform you what the other side is thinking. It wasn't meant to be insulting or demeaning in any way.
Like I said Haitians have their own prejuidices. We must stop keeping each other at bay. It's long over due and I think Leonel, Preval and the international community is pushing for it. It might happen when I'm old where DR and HAiti can bury the past and move forward. Denying the past wont make it go away we must both embrace it and move forward.

I see Dominicans as my brothers and sisters. I wish nothing but the best for everyone. Dagtan thanks for the lesson I have gained even more respect for you. If you want to know anything about how the other side thinks let me know.
We are all one under the same sun

What does a haitian look like. If the person is white and born in Dr he she is Dominican of xxx descent. If the person is white and born in Haiti is that person not Haitian of xxx descent.

The people of Haiti are thankful with the Dominican people and government. Yesterday, on my way to New York through Las Americas Airport, I was pleased to observe how the Dominicans are working hard to support the neighboring island.

As usual, I have a great sense of appreciation for those who are helping Haiti. The Dominican president was the first one to show up in Haiti, and he demonstrated a lot of sympathy, I saw him during his trip.

But, beyond all that, I hope that both nations must keep that momentum to work together for a prosperous island. According to some scientists, the whole island is under the threat of possible earthquake. So, we can team up to monitor and prevent our people from such catastrophes.

Once again, thanks to the Dominican people and government…

Una de las razones que este foro no refleja la realidad Dominicana es el idioma ya que el Ingles no es nuestro idioma sino el Español y la mayoria de los que son o se sienten verdaderamente Dominicanos dominan nuestro idioma a diferencia de lo que sucede en este foro donde gente que no tienen ni puta idea de lo que significa ser Dominicano quieren hablar por nosotros o decirnos como debemos pensar e incluso algunos que solo vienen a fastidiar por el odio que le tienen al pueblo Dominicano.
Estos vienen hablando de justicia ,pero siempre para desventaja de Dominicana y muestran en sus escritos que si alguna vez ellos o sus padres fueron Dominicanos ya dejaron de serlo hace mucho.
Estos seres bajos y mezquinos tienen todos sus intereses fuera del pais ,pero quieren definir como debemos de responder cosas que nos afectan a nosotros y no a ellos.Para estos la palabra patriotismo es una mala palabra ya que ellos prefieren el internacionalismo y especialmente la izquierda afrocentrista

¡Así que cayesen la boca pero sigan mandado las remesas en ingles, dólares o euros!

aprendida en el exterior aunque dejase de existir nuestra Patria. A ellos no les duele nuestra Patria y poco les importa siempre buscando lo peor de nuestra Patria y opacando cualquier avance que tengamos.Pero para la nación vecina y sus habitantes aunque estén en los quintos infiernos no ahorran complementos ni palabras de apoyo.....señores esto es y siempre será la señal de lo mas vil que existe que es un traidor!! Ya que los aventajados por la traición de estos los respetan porque el que traiciona su Patria es como el que traiciona su madre ...un hijo de nadie !
Si este foro no fuese basado en el ingles estos seudo-Dominicanos no estarían aquí porque ellos ni en sus pensamientos son Dominicanos.En este foro tenemos que notar que por el idioma habrán enlaces a otros medios de EEUU y el mundo por consiguiente escriban con inteligencia porque lo que escriben lo pueden usar nuestros enemigos dentro y fuera de la isla.

joseano ,los Dominicanos aunque residan en el exterior siguen siendo Dominicanos ,hablando su idioma y conocen la realidad Dominicana .Estos invierten en Dominicana y defienden a Dominicana a diferencia de seres tristes como tu que no escribe si no es para decir algo malo sobre Dominicana ya que NUNCA he visto algo positivo sobre Dominicana de tus dedos malvados pero cuando se trata de Haití eres un tipo super positivo...

pepe,

Precisamente por que yo tengo tanto invertido en Dominicana, en propiedades, negocios y mas importante en seres humanos, ese que uso esos "dedos malvados" para exponer los charlatanes que controlan nuestro país, y sus secuaces que vienen aquí a aplaudir el saqueo y robo de los recursos de la patria. El enemigo no es el haitiano desperado que ilegalmente viene a nuestro país para sobrevivir. El enemigo son los gobiernos y empresarios inescrupulosos de ambas naciones que permiten esto par su propio benefició en prejuicio de ambas masazas!

Dagtan thanks for the article. I learned alot. To the people calling others psuedo dominican and asking you to hide say no more. Right is right and wrong is wrong. My family taught me that. If my father commited a henious crime (molested a child) would i be a traitor if i reported him. No. I would be less of a man if I didn't. Psuedo english real classy.
You shouldn't have 2 faces you should show your true face all the time.

I have the utmost respect for the Dominican people but those that spread misinformation must be called out so we all get along. Afro-centric? Embrace all of your history not bits and pieces that you choose to romanticize.

In every society 99% of the people work and fight to survive like everyone else on this planet. However, there's the 1% that always spreads fear and hate because of fear, insecurity and self-loathing. Name calling in english and spanish still makes you look weak, small and childish.

The world is shrinking. Poverty does not discriminate

My apologies to PEPE32. I misunderstood a comment he made. I thought he was making a derogotary statement. It was a cultural misunderstanding and my sincere apologies.

Dialogue break down all barriers

Josean,yo entiendo muchas de los cosas de las cuales te quejas y te aseguro que comparto muchas de ellas pero cuando solo salen maldiciones sobre RD y ni UN SOLO comentario positivo se sobreentiende que no tienes las mejores intenciones para la nación o simplemente eres tan terco que no puedes dar ni el mas minimo elogio porque te dire una cosa ..no existe gobierno alguno que sea tan perverso ni nación tan mala que no pase nada positivo .Yo estoy de acuerdo que las cosas mal hechas hay que denunciarlas pero las que están bien hechas hay que felicitarlas y en algunos casos hay logros que ni tienen que ver con este gobierno y aun así solo sale algún comentario negativo u obscuro de tu parte .Ahora cuando se trata de Haití de alguna manera encuentras adjetivos positivos a pesar de que los males nuestra para ellos serian la gloria! No te entiendo muchacho porque en tu caso se nota que estas empapado en los asuntos Dominicanos pero tu negatividad es muy fuerte has para un oponente de el PLD

hasta para un oponente del PLD ,porque a pesar de todo compartimos una nación y su destino es algo que compartirán tus hijos al igual que los míos lo que lleva al argumento de siempre que digan lo que digan la inmigración masiva de Haitianos es en todos los balances negativa para el futura de Dominicana y a diferencia de los ilusos que viven fuera y no saben nada del país tu sabes bien que la mayoría de nosotros no queremos ese futuro para la Patria .El que quiere ese futuro puede fácilmente cruzar el Artibonito y establecer un hogar en la casa vecina.

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Pepe32, pero hoy si que te levantate del lado malo. Sinceramente, tu en verda no sabes nada sobre las personas que invierten su tiempo y energia para contribuir a este medio de intercambio de informacion. Aqui visitan personas de toda parte y credo, algunos vienen para aprender y otro para intercambiar ideas.

Si en verdad tu piensas que la razon por lo cual hay diferencias entre las ideas es la falta de la lengua natal, entoces tendra que buscarte otro lugar, porque, la pagina es en ingles.

Tu habla mucho sobre el pobre interes de mucho de nosotros aqui en el exterior y que no somos lo mas nationalistas que tiene la republica, pero, tu solamente te presenta como un imbecil que no permite otra idea si no es la tuya.

No hay necesidad de creer lo siguiente, pero si tu quiere seguridad entonces mandame un PM. Mis interes en la republic te aseguro que son mucho mas que los tuyo, pero mucho mas. En verdad no me preocupa que no me crea, pero si quieres seguridad PM por favor.

Okei, like we say in the cibao, vamo hablai ingle, mi heimano.

Donde tu tabba ? Quando llega-te ? hace sei mes !

HB, LOL. I simply love it.

Al buen entendedor pocas palabras..siento causarte tanto esfuerzo estimado dagtan ,se que escribir en el idioma Español es un esfuerzo muy grande para ti y se nota en tus escrituras llenas de conceptos basados en el Inglés de la misma manera que tus conceptos sociales carecen de un conocimiento de la realidad Dominicana .
Tampoco he dicho que las diferencias de ideas sean solo por el idioma pero la realidad es que aparte de el idioma se nota que la desconexión es también cultural o sea que ya de Dominicano no tienes nada excepto algunas memorias .Sobre tus SUPUESTAS inversiones tampoco no significa NADA ya que Donald Trump tiene mas invertido que lo que supuestamente tienes tu y eso no lo hace DOMINICANO y hay Dominicanos sin un centavo que en sus corazones tienen plasmados la bandera nacional!
Eres un simple y sencillo imbécil que no solo desconoce su supuesto idioma y cultura sino que tampoco domina bien el Inglés y SUPUESTAMENTE eres un director de escuelas

School principle. That explains your openess. Education is key to enlightment

(Parece que no piden mucho) He visto una y otra vez tu actitud petulante y creída y tienes los cojones de hablar de respetar otras ideas... Tu solo respetas los que concuerdan con tus ideas de ayudar a Haití en honor a un enfermizo afrocentrismo aunque para ayudar a Haití se joda Dominicana .
Por eso aunque inviertas un millón de dolares aquí es como las monedas de Judas ...dinero de traición porque entre los Haitianos y nosotros tu siempre vas por ellos y eso se llama traición aquí y en la China!
Vive en Dominicana por diez años por lo menos y luego hablamos ...preferiblemente en Jimaní !

DAGTAN right is right wrong is wrong. A man must have honor and stand up even if his views are not popular. You love your people and your country. You don't need to justify your actions and beliefs. This cycle needs to stop. Being called a Judas shows a sign of desperation.

As an educator and a man you know all children are equal. It's adults that corrupt them with their beliefs.

Pepe32, since this site is managed under the mechanism of the English language, and the fact that writing/speaking in a foreign language is lack of respect to those that do not have the ability to understand your VERBIAGE, indeed you are one VERBOSE creature pepe32, that is a credit that I can not deny you.

I know that you measure everything with money and once again your simple processing did not allowed you to go beyond what was in front of you. Just, so you know, most of my family lives in the DR, this including my mother during the U.S. winter and the person that raised me, my grand mother. There is no money or successes that can replace these two persons, so when I was referring to the interests that I have there, it is not only material crap, since that is not what counts.

One thing is that if you think that I am judas, then so be it, since you do not have any influence whatsoever on the present/future of the Dispora or the island's future. i am happy to be in the

company of people like Diaz, Torres-Saillant, Pons and other Dominican intellectuals that are very active here in the U.S. representing our land in an objective and centrist way.

You suffer from lack of objectivity, which is a bi-product of lack of interactions with other people and cultures, there is nothing i can do to help, pepe, sorry.

Anyways, at your age, es muy poco lo que se puede hacer por ti, pepe32.

However, keep it up, keep fighting, pepe32, do not give up your quest to maintain the status quo. In the mean time i will do my thing, which is to send a message of objectivity that is freed of fear mongering and freed of ultra-irrational infestation.

Finally, it is so funny that you continue to bring the Afro-Centrict influences as if they were some sort of disease, it shows how little you know about anything. For your information, our migration to the U.S. was largely made possible by those afro-centrict (as you label them) that gave their lives in the 1960's figh

fighting for equality and the right of all that were not aryans or anglo to have the opportunity to become successful and enjoy full rights here in the U.S. I guess, that you are very upset that they were successful, man, you are really afraid of black people, hey, maybe una morena te rechaso y te a convertido en una persona bien frustrada, que pena.

Again Dagtan,I am sorry to make you spend so much time trying to write in Spanish and in proper English.Your first paragraph shows a desperation on your part to attempt to write on the level that a School principal in the US should write in.
I have always written in English in this forum and I must say that there is nowhere where it states that one cannot write in Spanish,although I have no problems going head to head with bloated heads with extremely high opinions of themselves like you .
Now your inane comment about my interest in money is derived from my response to your GREAT investments in DR !! mind you I never speak of what I have (or don't have )because it is not relevant and because it cannot be proven or disproven .You even state that you have more than I do...then you state that I measure everything with money..
You are one sad soul with a head so large you probably need supports to hold it .

The funny thing is that you don't even know who I am nor do I wish to clear that up because someone who would sell his country is not someone I would want to meet personally.
You also delude yourself when you think you are a centrist ...at least understand that you are not a centrist unless you are so deluded to think Obama is a centrist and Ted Kennedy was a centrist.(Perhaps compared to Stalin and MAO)

Now even in the majority of the diaspora your views are a bit off the edge and if you went to most Dominican meetings you would be hard pressed to defend some of the things you state here .So while you are perfectly in your right to feel the way you do you do not in any way represent the interests of the majority of Dominicans nor our views .

You fancy yourself objective ..that is when someone agrees with your view but opposing views are met with your usual disdain and snide remarks so please be a man and don't play the victim card .

" Anyways, at your age, es muy poco lo que se puede hacer por ti, pepe32."

You poor soul,you don't even have an idea of my age ,but in typical leftist arse fashion you make assumptions and call them ideas and then you build on that assumption your whole reality .
!Que pendejo eres!

I do not fight for the status quo your Lordship,I fight for CHANGE,but over all I fight for what is best for my country , and not what some twisted minded individual thinks about my country.Anyone with even half a brain (you are excluded)knows that the massive Haitian presence in DR in not good for DR. FACT ...Everyone in their right mind knows that if something is not done we will eventually have serious blood-letting on the Island FACT so you can continue to smoke your weed and dream a wonderful dream and leave the country to realists !

Afrocentrists are just as bad as the guys with the white hoods .If you don't know that racism exists in every group throughout the world you are more naive than I thought and are far from a centrist.

Please bring proof that the Dominican immigration to the US was made possible by afrocentrists or cut the malarkey or is that just another thing we have to be thankful for ???
So please don't paint these haters as any different than KKKers and NEO Nazis because all you have to do is go to some of these neighborhoods to feel the hate or from the comfort of your home you have youtube but of course you as a ghetto "principal" would know that.

Pepe32, continue living in the darkness of fear and the old and i will continue my path toward the liberation of those outdated sentiments that do not enrich nor will be able take hold in the minds of most ordinary citizens, even though, some fall pray to such darkness, hence yours truly.

I know that most here ask themselves, why spend the time trying to argue with you, since it is clear that you are not going anywhere, nor are willing to open your mind in fear of finding out what you have been missing for much of your life. i do not brag about what i have, since i agree with you that is subjective and lacking factual manifestation. However, at times one must shut the heck up of some people that present themselves as the only affected. I do not live in the DR, but stand to lose not only my family, but also a tremendous amount of capital that could be invested in the U.S. If that was my wish. However, chose to use DR to help the land left behind.

Pepe32, the only different

To whit,,

". i am happy to be in the company of people like Diaz, Torres-Saillant, Pons and other Dominican intellectuals that are very active here in the U.S. representing our land "

Now he is a historian or intellectual....LOL please Dagtan rush to the ER before your head explodes and hurts someone ...a small incision in the cranium should let out all the air and excrement ..

betwen you and I is that i have no fear, nor i give in to the school of fear mongering, since I am pretty sure of who i am, so there is no need to fear the unknown.

You must search, until you find yourself pepe, since it is clear that you are suffering from identity crisis. I know pepe, some people go through those rough times and they often snap out of it by receiving counseling, go seek out some help and then come back to the conversation.

Wow, pepe32, you do not know Junot Diaz, he is one of our latest superstars in the U.S. Oh, BTW he is not a historian, by far pepe32. Support our intellectuals pepe32, buy their books. Torres-Saillant, a historian? Wow, next time you come to NY go visit him, he might teach you a thing or two. Pepe32, the guy is our best researcher of everything Dominican in the U.S.

Actually, pepe32, go see his secretary, Ramona, she'll set lunatics like you straight all the time. Ok, time to go to sleep now pepe32, goodnight, mi amigo.

Judas/smoke your weed/ghetto principal. LOL. You don't respect and value human life PEPE32. Even if he chose to teach kids less fortunate you should commend him. Poverty doesn't discriminate. comparing obama ted kennedy to mao and stalin that's rich. Winds of change are coming. We've been keeping each other at bay for years and for what. So the 2% of your population can keep sucking the blood out of the 98%. Same thing in every corner of the Globe.

The mass is manipulated thru misinformation

The person that controls the information has the power. THE INTERNET IS THE GREAT EQUALIZER!!!!!! we all have access to the same info.

With Education comes enlightment