Port-au-Prince.– Ten American Christians charged in Haiti with child
kidnapping and conspiracy were denied conditional release Friday
and sent to jail to await trial, their lawyer has said.
"The judge did not accept the request for conditional release," said
Edwin Coq, lawyer for the group that was detained a week ago for trying
to smuggle a group of 33 children out of Haiti into the Dominican
Republic.
Sitting in the prosecutors office, the 10 could be seen looking
dejected after having previously been held in a police detention centre.
On their departure one of the women, Laura Silsby, was asked what was going on. "We just don't know, we just don't know," she replied. It later became clear that the 10 had been remanded in custody.
"The judge passed down two detention orders, one for the group of
five men, who will be held at the national prison, and another for the
five women who will be held at Petionville women's prison."
From: Dominican Republic, vieja Santo Domingo
I have just read about the police record this leader has in the USA...not a very good type of person and not one to be believed.
From: Dominican Republic, No Spin Zone
she should be held for the show trial and release on bond the others .....of course the US government will guarantee their appearance....Haiti runs a risk of a publicity black eye if they continue under the current chaotic conditions ....remember 600,000 Haitian children are taught in Christian missionary schools ....do not let your secular mentality diminish these contributions prior to any earthquake....They are from all over the world including Canada and EU ....to paint them as honky cracker rednecks is an afro nazi perspective
From: Dominican Republic
Why a black eye??? the law is the law and I for one am glad to see...that unlike here where they give bail to everyone and everyone bolts...that Haiti is showing consistancy. I imagine that the pressure will mount...but hey...how much support has the US shown Haiti in the past? I guess they would have matching black eyes.
From: United States
Oh give me a break !
If the Haitian government really cares about Haitian Children, why dont they eradicate child slavery ( Restavek)and chlld prostitution in Haiti ?
Why don't they prosecute those sadics who psychologically and physically abuse Haitians slaves(Restaveks) ?
Why don't they invest in education, health care and nutrition ?
Written by: Yucahu, 6 Feb 2010 10:05 AM
From: United States, Miami
Let the gringos pay!!!! They are criminals and claiming ignorance doesn't grant you a pardon in any country. Viva Haiti!!!
From: Dominican Republic, No Spin Zone
you act as if they were harvesting organs you cretin
Written by: riosm, 6 Feb 2010 11:28 AM
From: United States
Etiennc01,
YOU NAILED IT.....
Yucahu,
They have not been convicted yet, only arrested and accused.....
I guess now they'll go to trial in a corrupt Court for the WORLD to get the understanding that Haiti still has some sort of organized Government Judicial system working.
Maybe the Prez. of Haiti can serve as defense counsel for all those accused, I'm sure his expertise in dodging the system can be helpful.
Let's save the "Viva Haiti" until after a year from now when she becomes self sufficient as a Country.
From: United States, Bay Area, CA - (Dei sitio)
Back in Idaho, baptist missionary Laura Silsby faces questions about her business practices in relation to at least nine unpaid-wage claims by employees of PersonalShopper.com, an online shopping business she founded and for which she is still listed as CEO.
Written by: Grosero, 6 Feb 2010 2:03 PM
From: United States
GOOD!!!!
There is nothing wrong with believing in God....
yet there is everything wrong with Religion!!!
1. Christianity: 2.1 billion
2. Islam: 1.5 billion
3. Secular/Nonreligious/Agnostic/Atheist: 1.1 billion
4. Hinduism: 900 million
5. Chinese traditional religion: 394 million
6. Buddhism: 376 million
7. primal-indigenous: 300 million
8. African Traditional & Diasporic: 100 million
9. Sikhism: 23 million
10. Juche: 19 million
11. Spiritism: 15 million
12. Judaism: 14 million
13. Baha'i: 7 million
14. Jainism: 4.2 million
15. Shinto: 4 million
16. Cao Dai: 4 million
17. Zoroastrianism: 2.6 million
18. Tenrikyo: 2 million
19. Neo-Paganism: 1 million
20. Unitarian-Universalism: 800 thousand
21. Rastafarianism: 600 thousand
22. Scientology: 500 thousand
Written by: Grosero, 6 Feb 2010 2:05 PM
From: United States
Oh Wait....
Save some them Christian's for the Loins
Written by: Grosero, 6 Feb 2010 2:05 PM
From: United States
WAIT...There more...
Groups Not Included in This List of World Religions
Mandeans: they only have about 45,000 adherents
PL Kyodan: They currently claim about 1 million
Ch'ondogyo: About 3 million adherents total.
Wonbulgyo:. The claim about 400 branches in Korea, and 30 in North America and Europe. but probably less than 150,000 adherents, making it even smaller than Zoroastrianism.
Vodoun: Vodoun is classified here as a subset of African diasporic religion.
In the Americas (especially the Caribbean,), people who practice some form of Santeria and Vodoun. Catholicism mostly identify themselves as Catholic.New Age movements now prefer to be called pagans or Neo-Pagans.
Seicho-No-Ie: This organization is large (perhaps 2 to 3 million members)
Falun Dafa/Falun Gong: This is a relatively new movement (started in the mid-1980s) from China which purports to have 100 million adherents worldwide.
Taoism:.
Confucianism:
Roma:
Written by: riosm, 6 Feb 2010 3:00 PM
From: United States
Perlurdom,
Thanks for the insight....
Grosero,
WOW ! an expert on Religions of the World, are those the most current numbers ?
Almost forgot.........Christianity is a FAITH not a Religion, remember religions are Man made and as one can tell Man's been very busy.
How about Belial's Religion...........Hugo-isum and Casto-isum ?
Take care.
From: Botswana, La reconnaissance est une lachete'
According to a recent report on ABC news,even those that run orphanages in Haiti when first approach by these people felt something was fishy about them,those are other Americans who felt these people were child traffickers and was not willing to help them. Not being able to get any orphans in P-au-P drove 2 hrs to a remote village and find these kids,duped the poor parents by telling them these children will be able to come back to visit. This lady was told by Dominican officials at the DR embassy in Haiti without the proper paperwork what she is trying to do can be consider kidnapping, but she went ahead anyway. Her issues back in Idaho speaks volume about her character.
From: Botswana, La reconnaissance est une lachete'
Blurt
You acted as if the were harvesting organ
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Sad but this is something knowing to happen in Haiti with these people and these poor kids.That's one of the reasons they are looked with the jaundice eye in Haiti.
From: United States, Brooklyn
Etienne... All great points you've made!
From: Dominican Republic, No Spin Zone
Haitan Lawyer Fired for Offering Bribe --The Old Rip Off the Extranjero Routine
PORT-AU-PRINCE, Haiti -- The Haitian lawyer for 10 U.S. Baptists charged with child kidnapping tried to bribe the missionaries' way out of jail and has been fired, the attorney who hired him said Saturday night.
The Haitian lawyer, Edwin Coq, denied the allegation. He said the $60,000 he requested from the Americans' families was his fee.
Jorge Puello, the attorney in the neighboring Dominican Republic retained by relatives of the 10 American missionaries after their arrest last week, told The Associated Press that he fired Coq on Friday night. He had hired Coq to represent the detainees at Haitian legal proceedings.
Coq orchestrated "some kind of extortion with government officials" that would have led to the release of nine of the 10 missionaries, Puello charged.
"He had some people inside the court that asked him for money, and he was part of this scheme," Puello said.
Coq denied the requested $60
From: Dominican Republic, No Spin Zone
Puello said Coq initially requested $10,000 but kept asking for bigger and bigger amounts. He said that when Coq reached $60,000, he said he could guarantee it would lead to the Americans' release.
A magistrate charged the group with child kidnapping and criminal association for trying to take 33 children out of earthquake-ravaged Haiti without the proper documents.
The Americans said they were a humanitarian mission to rescue orphans after Haiti's catastrophic Quake.
Coq said Thursday that the group's leader, Laura Silsby , deceived the others by telling them she had the proper documents to remove the children from Haiti.
The Dominican consul in Haiti, Carlos Castillo, has said he warned Silsby on Jan. 29, the day the group was detained at the border, that she lacked the required papers and risked being arrested for child trafficking.
Asked if Silsby had deceived the other nine Baptists by assuring them she had the proper papers, Puello said Saturday, "I believe that is true"
From: Dominican Republic, No Spin Zone
Yes the Old Rip Off the Extranjero game preceded by the Amigo Meter and profuse use of the expression " My friend my friend " ......Hispaniola an island infested with LAMBONES
Written by: Yucahu, 7 Feb 2010 10:01 AM
From: United States, Miami
They should be feathered and tarred. I believe the facts speak for themselves, these are illegal immigrant traffickers and have to be dealt with appropriatley. If they we're going to steal these kids for nefarious activities. BOOOM let the Gringo's pay I say!!!!
From: Dominican Republic, No Spin Zone
This is an example of the " Cargo Cult Haitians " and the very similar Dominicans ripping off the extranjeros .....The National Sport of both countries.....and obviously the above cretin is a practitioner and participant as he sux the teat of the country that let his parents swim ashore .....or a loser who could not get a visa .....he sounds like dimmerbrains twin brother
Written by: amadi, 7 Feb 2010 11:57 AM
From: United States
You break the law you pay for it . Lock them up.
Written by: jonbonz, 8 Feb 2010 8:33 AM
From: Dominican Republic, santo domingo
the number one thing to remember with this group. They had the intentions of being missionaries and not aid workers. Another words they were there to save souls not lives. One of the people was out right criminal the others were just arrogant. This is the behind closed doors attitudes. We will take these children out of the heathen devil worshiping homes and put them in the upright christian homes so that they will be saved. Praise Jesus."
From: Dominican Republic, No Spin Zone
Jbonz keep in mind that 600 thousand children are taught by Christian Missionary schools in Haiti imagine those children without any chance .....do not throw out the baby with the bathwater
Written by: jonbonz, 8 Feb 2010 10:29 AM
From: Dominican Republic, santo domingo
I never lumped the rest with these guys. In fact a good portion of the other missionaries would not have a thing to with these guys. I am just saying I have absolutely no sympathy for this bunch. If they were bringing the kids to a shelter say in Monti Christi that had bed space with the intention of temporary housing them OK. But they were leaving to send these kids away. Look what happened in the south. The kids showing up in hospitals with out family are being housed in the DR with out paperwork, however the effort all along was to reunite them with family when possible so no stink is being made because no ill intent is involved.
From: Dominican Republic, No Spin Zone
good point about other orphans in the DR hospitals .....I would love to have seen their documents or because they were taken out by Dominicans the Haitian extortionists knew they had no chance of collecting anything
Written by: jonbonz, 8 Feb 2010 11:23 AM
From: Dominican Republic, santo domingo
I had reserved comment on this until I got details but this bunch were not just innocent victims of circumstance. They were caught up in a scam and maybe willing participants or not but yet it was a child snatch.
Written by: jonbonz, 8 Feb 2010 11:40 AM
From: Dominican Republic, santo domingo
I think it was basically to put the children up for adoption. I really do not think it could have been called selling children however certain legal services cost and of course there was the need to pay for the housing of the said child in the resort while we wait for the process. Now you know you can stay here for a fee to bond with your new child.
" yes sweetie we said you could see your family in Haiti but it is not safe now and if you don't get on this plane now you will miss your chance for a better life. I am sure that's what your mommy and daddy would want don't you?"
From: United States
Ducderochasse, Florida:
Much has been said in speculation by distant observers! We may use" if" or "perhaps" in our tentative analysis since our opinions are free and our comments are entirely based on reports from the Media. However,this situation is more than controversial. It can be explosive and compromising for Haiti which may appear to be ungreatful after receiving so much assistance from America. So far no one has been found guilty before the law. In the event they are guilty and set free, one may be compelled to ask : "Is justice for sale? Are all the banana republics for sale? To what extent are Latin America and the Caribbean willing to stand up for their sovereignty?" Is DR for sale and willing to witheld its support to Haiti or any other Latin American country in order to secure foreign trade and tourism?
It's not so much that Haiti allowes the mistreatment of its own children. The point is rather what example is being set by the United States as a christian nation?
Written by: riosm, 8 Feb 2010 8:56 PM
From: United States
Ducderochasse,
I agree with most of your statement, but.......the part about "what example is being set by the US as a Christian Nation" YES the US is founded on Christian Morals, Values and Principals but lets not blanket coat all Christians.
Many Mormons and Catholics call them selves Christians and in my opinion...........with a twist.
Also let us not forget these criminal acts were perpetuated by private Citizens not the US Government.
Take care.
Written by: jonbonz, 8 Feb 2010 9:07 PM
From: Dominican Republic, santo domingo
If you have noticed other than bringing MREs and water these people the US has pretty much stayed out of it.
Written by: riosm, 8 Feb 2010 9:21 PM
From: United States
MRE's WOW ! now that brings back memories, yet I prefer the C-rations with a 5 pack of Chester fields and all the added goodies and extras.........packed with vitamins and minerals for a well balanced daily diet.
Many please forgive me for saying this, but........ SAD and truly HEART BREAKING ! before this tragic deadly quake the Haitians never eat so good.
Lets all hope and pray for a better future Haiti.......
From: Dominican Republic, No Spin Zone
Rio gives away his age .......Chesterfields and C rats
Written by: jonbonz, 8 Feb 2010 10:38 PM
From: Dominican Republic, santo domingo
I went in at the transition from C rats to MREs
If the Haitian government really cares about Haitian Children, why dont they eradicate child slavery ( Restavek)and chlld prostitution in Haiti ?
Why don't they prosecute those sadics who psychologically and physically abuse Haitians slaves(Restaveks) ?
Why don't they invest in education, health care and nutrition ?
YOU NAILED IT.....
Yucahu,
They have not been convicted yet, only arrested and accused.....
I guess now they'll go to trial in a corrupt Court for the WORLD to get the understanding that Haiti still has some sort of organized Government Judicial system working.
Maybe the Prez. of Haiti can serve as defense counsel for all those accused, I'm sure his expertise in dodging the system can be helpful.
Let's save the "Viva Haiti" until after a year from now when she becomes self sufficient as a Country.
There is nothing wrong with believing in God....
yet there is everything wrong with Religion!!!
1. Christianity: 2.1 billion
2. Islam: 1.5 billion
3. Secular/Nonreligious/Agnostic/Atheist: 1.1 billion
4. Hinduism: 900 million
5. Chinese traditional religion: 394 million
6. Buddhism: 376 million
7. primal-indigenous: 300 million
8. African Traditional & Diasporic: 100 million
9. Sikhism: 23 million
10. Juche: 19 million
11. Spiritism: 15 million
12. Judaism: 14 million
13. Baha'i: 7 million
14. Jainism: 4.2 million
15. Shinto: 4 million
16. Cao Dai: 4 million
17. Zoroastrianism: 2.6 million
18. Tenrikyo: 2 million
19. Neo-Paganism: 1 million
20. Unitarian-Universalism: 800 thousand
21. Rastafarianism: 600 thousand
22. Scientology: 500 thousand
Save some them Christian's for the Loins
Groups Not Included in This List of World Religions
Mandeans: they only have about 45,000 adherents
PL Kyodan: They currently claim about 1 million
Ch'ondogyo: About 3 million adherents total.
Wonbulgyo:. The claim about 400 branches in Korea, and 30 in North America and Europe. but probably less than 150,000 adherents, making it even smaller than Zoroastrianism.
Vodoun: Vodoun is classified here as a subset of African diasporic religion.
In the Americas (especially the Caribbean,), people who practice some form of Santeria and Vodoun. Catholicism mostly identify themselves as Catholic.New Age movements now prefer to be called pagans or Neo-Pagans.
Seicho-No-Ie: This organization is large (perhaps 2 to 3 million members)
Falun Dafa/Falun Gong: This is a relatively new movement (started in the mid-1980s) from China which purports to have 100 million adherents worldwide.
Taoism:.
Confucianism:
Roma:
Thanks for the insight....
Grosero,
WOW ! an expert on Religions of the World, are those the most current numbers ?
Almost forgot.........Christianity is a FAITH not a Religion, remember religions are Man made and as one can tell Man's been very busy.
How about Belial's Religion...........Hugo-isum and Casto-isum ?
Take care.
You acted as if the were harvesting organ
------------------------------------------------------
Sad but this is something knowing to happen in Haiti with these people and these poor kids.That's one of the reasons they are looked with the jaundice eye in Haiti.
Etienne... All great points you've made!
PORT-AU-PRINCE, Haiti -- The Haitian lawyer for 10 U.S. Baptists charged with child kidnapping tried to bribe the missionaries' way out of jail and has been fired, the attorney who hired him said Saturday night.
The Haitian lawyer, Edwin Coq, denied the allegation. He said the $60,000 he requested from the Americans' families was his fee.
Jorge Puello, the attorney in the neighboring Dominican Republic retained by relatives of the 10 American missionaries after their arrest last week, told The Associated Press that he fired Coq on Friday night. He had hired Coq to represent the detainees at Haitian legal proceedings.
Coq orchestrated "some kind of extortion with government officials" that would have led to the release of nine of the 10 missionaries, Puello charged.
"He had some people inside the court that asked him for money, and he was part of this scheme," Puello said.
Coq denied the requested $60
A magistrate charged the group with child kidnapping and criminal association for trying to take 33 children out of earthquake-ravaged Haiti without the proper documents.
The Americans said they were a humanitarian mission to rescue orphans after Haiti's catastrophic Quake.
Coq said Thursday that the group's leader, Laura Silsby , deceived the others by telling them she had the proper documents to remove the children from Haiti.
The Dominican consul in Haiti, Carlos Castillo, has said he warned Silsby on Jan. 29, the day the group was detained at the border, that she lacked the required papers and risked being arrested for child trafficking.
Asked if Silsby had deceived the other nine Baptists by assuring them she had the proper papers, Puello said Saturday, "I believe that is true"
" yes sweetie we said you could see your family in Haiti but it is not safe now and if you don't get on this plane now you will miss your chance for a better life. I am sure that's what your mommy and daddy would want don't you?"
Much has been said in speculation by distant observers! We may use" if" or "perhaps" in our tentative analysis since our opinions are free and our comments are entirely based on reports from the Media. However,this situation is more than controversial. It can be explosive and compromising for Haiti which may appear to be ungreatful after receiving so much assistance from America. So far no one has been found guilty before the law. In the event they are guilty and set free, one may be compelled to ask : "Is justice for sale? Are all the banana republics for sale? To what extent are Latin America and the Caribbean willing to stand up for their sovereignty?" Is DR for sale and willing to witheld its support to Haiti or any other Latin American country in order to secure foreign trade and tourism?
It's not so much that Haiti allowes the mistreatment of its own children. The point is rather what example is being set by the United States as a christian nation?
I agree with most of your statement, but.......the part about "what example is being set by the US as a Christian Nation" YES the US is founded on Christian Morals, Values and Principals but lets not blanket coat all Christians.
Many Mormons and Catholics call them selves Christians and in my opinion...........with a twist.
Also let us not forget these criminal acts were perpetuated by private Citizens not the US Government.
Take care.
Many please forgive me for saying this, but........ SAD and truly HEART BREAKING ! before this tragic deadly quake the Haitians never eat so good.
Lets all hope and pray for a better future Haiti.......