Written by: josean, 1 Apr 2010 8:13 AM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
These guys are absolutely CRAZY!
Written by: josean, 1 Apr 2010 8:17 AM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
However, between LIE-onel Fernandez’s buddy the Narco-Spaniard and the Narco-Boricua it shouldn't be difficult to come up with the money!
Written by: buenoha, 1 Apr 2010 8:33 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
US 110 million. This proves the fact that the Dominican Republic has a rich government and a poor nation.
Those guys are loaded, and still they don't have the will to fix our main basic problems, like electricity, drinkable water supply and social housing for the poor. Also fix our streets and sewages. Build dams and dykes to prevent floodings. Build universities and technical institutes. Make a nationwide railway system. Invest in education...
From: Botswana, La reconnaissance est une lachete'
RATHID ,is this for real or these guys just got drunk off the moment ?
Written by: ateo2010 
, 1 Apr 2010 8:58 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Owning Noobs
you gotta be f*** kiddin me!!
i think I'm still asleep trapped in a nightmare or something.
From: Dominican Republic, NEVER FORGOTTEN, NEVER FORSAKEN!
That's great. lol.
Written by: Lopez31, 1 Apr 2010 10:01 AM
From: United States
How about we give them 30 Million and use the other 20 to build the SAJOMA-MONCION highway.
Written by: Emaxx, 1 Apr 2010 10:04 AM
From: Dominican Republic
This has to be a joke!
I believe in helping people out, but first you need to be in the position to do that.
1. The DR has major power problems and owes Millions to the power companies. (Pay The Bills)
2. University students in the DR are protesting because they don’t have the proper labs to finish their graduate studies, so where are the funds to facilitate that?
Written by: generoso, 1 Apr 2010 10:21 AM
From: Dominican Republic, United States
If we have so much dough how come there is no money for the teachers and schools, or doctors, or to repair and build new highways, or pay the arrears to the electricity suppliers, or clean up the dams.
Charity is fine, and I am all for helping Haiti, but in the DR there 3 million poor people that do not have toilet facilities, and thousands that only eat once daily if at all, and don't have a roof over their heads.
Why do we have to pretend to be something that we are not?
Written by: Belial, 1 Apr 2010 10:29 AM
From: United States, Texas
"The international community is notorious for making grand pledges but then failing to actually follow through with the money. Of the pledges committed to the UN’s flash appeal for emergency assistance to Haiti in the quake’s immediate aftermath, only 30 percent has been disbursed," DT reports April 1.
oooo
Nobody expects the DR to foolishly hand that money over to US imperialist looters who control the UN scam.
The DR was shamed into making the pledge by the show of verbal nobility by other conference attendees.
Why should the DR hand over its aid money to pro-imperialist NGOs when the DR has a 100,000 times more experience in Haiti than these foreign NGOs?
The DR's mistake is that it didn't launch its own fundraising drive for Haiti, under CariCom or Rio Group auspices, the day after the quake like the US imperialists ... under UN auspices ... did.
But DR can still do so. But if the DR did so, the DR will make the US imperialist thieves real mad.
Written by: tejada, 1 Apr 2010 10:36 AM
From: United States
where are they going to get this money from?
Written by: bernies, 1 Apr 2010 10:49 AM
From: United States, key west fl
this is crazy from where all the money come from when we don't even have enough money to pay to our national police, doctors and public schools teachers and decent salary? can someone explain that to the Dominican people because i can't.
From: United States, New York, NY
I barely ever comment on anything.... but WTF?!
From: United States, I dont even live inside a house , I haunt one!
kinda leaves you at a lost for words
From: Canada, Ottawa, Ontario
Seriously? Yeah haven't you guys used enough money on Haiti already. I'm happy about it but seriously? What about Chile? What about your own like country? Just saying don't minus me please!!!
From: Canada, Ottawa, Ontario
Hey does DR have tax and stuff they take on you?
From: Canada, Ottawa, Ontario
This still doesn't seem right to me whatsoever.... :( smh
From: Dominican Republic, NEVER FORGOTTEN, NEVER FORSAKEN!
Misshaiti,
we have one of the highest government imposed taxes in the world, it's call ITBI, 16% based on what you purchase.
From: Canada, Ottawa, Ontario
Oh wow okay then just curiouse.
Written by: Lopez31, 1 Apr 2010 11:56 AM
From: United States
Ok, let me correct myself. Giving 50 million to haiti might not be a bad idea after all. Here is why: The international community is pledging billions of dollars for haiti's reconstruction and i'm assuming that a good chunk of this money will benefit the Dominican Republic as well. The Dominican Construction industry will see a significant boom as plenty of other industries in the dominican republic as well. Jobs will be created on the Dominican side and also plenty of Dominicans will be employed on the haitian side.
So, in the end what's 50 million when the Dominican Economy will benefit by billions more.
Written by: Atabey, 1 Apr 2010 12:12 PM
From: United States, NYC
You guys are missing the point.
Lopez31 is on the right track. If you want to be a player in the Great Haiti Reconstruction Project, you have to put something in the kettle. 100 million or thereabouts doesn't sound out of the question for the expected return in revenue streams. Smart and intelligent move by LF.
From: Dominican Republic
LOL - what a bunch of $#!+heads!!!!!!!
Feed the poor in your own country first
Fix Education in your own country second
Pay down energy debt in your own country third
Fix the roads and infrastructure in your own country fourth
...this list goes on and on, and on, and......
I do not want to sound like an anti-Haiti person, but giving away
US$50mm when you can't even feed or provide jobs in your own
country sounds like the DR government has completely lost
all sight of everything it had been created to do: help the people
of the Dominican Republic survive, and in time prosper...
Come on LF, look at your own country first! If it looks perfect,
and there are no problems, then you can go around gallivanting
with your big bag of taxpayer money and give it to every Tom Dick and
Harry you come across...
Until then, FIX YOUR F*CKING COUNTRY - you corrupt prick!!!!!
Written by: Belial, 1 Apr 2010 12:28 PM
From: United States, Texas
"Ok, let me correct myself. Giving 50 million to haiti might not be a bad idea after all. Here is why: The international community is pledging billions of dollars for haiti's reconstruction and i'm assuming that a good chunk of this money will benefit the Dominican Republic as well. The Dominican Construction industry will see a significant boom as plenty of other industries in the dominican republic as well. Jobs will be created on the Dominican side and also plenty of Dominicans will be employed on the haitian side. So, in the end what's 50 million when the Dominican Economy will benefit by billions more," Lopez31, digs into the story.
ooo
Maybe.
The DR may get a good chunk, but US imperialists are being greedy with the money "in the bank."
A "pledge" is not legally or morally binding.
A "commitment" is a plege that is legally binding.
A "disbursement" is a plege "in the bank."
DR made only a "pledge" although it is called a "commitment."
It means nothing.
From: United States, Chicago, IL
Although my first impulse was WTF, your really do make an excellent point Lopez31. Even before the quake there were Dominican companies benefiting from the aid money being poured into Haiti either through the loans taken out by the government (for public works, admin costs, everything) and through aid directed towards NGO's, including microfinancing companies like Fonkoze who loan vendors money to sell products that are often bought in DR.
You're 50 mill is prob an investment more than anything. I don't know how many Estrella trucks I saw on Route National #1 last year between PAP and Cap Haitien putting down new roads.
Written by: cad2260, 1 Apr 2010 12:50 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Bronxs NY
This can not be for real it must be a April Fool day joke. I wonder How much is going to be kick back to LIE-onel Fernandez’s on this one. there has to be a reason for this someone is going to get rich on this one.
Written by: Lopez31, 1 Apr 2010 1:13 PM
From: United States
I may sound like a capitalist dog but in the end this tragedy in Haiti could be what propels the Dominican Republic into a new age of economic prosperity and infrastructure development. There is a lot of cash that is going to be thrown at the reconstrurction of Haiti and we are positioned just right to take advantage. Also, a new and improve Haiti could be to our best interest. I know I may bug a few people with this logic but hey always keep the best interest of your patria in mind :)
Written by: jonbonz, 1 Apr 2010 1:18 PM
From: Dominican Republic, santo domingo
Beliel
Many times your information is accurate. The problem comes when you paint it with Marxist water based paint. Looks good to the uneducated but will not stand up to weathering.
A good portion of this “AID” is more like a store gift card. The face value is say $200 but you have to use it at the Sears and Roebuck and only buy the blue tagged items with it. A good portion of the international aid is corporate welfare for the donor countries.
This we all know. I dare say this 50 million is tagged for certain items from Dominican companies. May be rice farmers, PVC Tube. Or it may be a way to offer aggregate for concrete block at an inflated price ( Samana fly Ash)
From: United States, Brooklyn
wtf....
From: Dominican Republic, I dislike all politicians and their afiliated parties... "I simply say it AS IT IS!!"
Lopez, Agreed 100%
We need to come out of the ashes and stabilize, socially, professionally, and economically.
It will proportionally affect us in a big postive way.
We want smart powerful neighbors...
Written by: cantave, 1 Apr 2010 1:51 PM
From: United States, !<82ndAbd>!Lt.Tigah>Fort Bragg>North Carolina, U.S>Platoon Leader>Tactical Hardcore.
Well!!
I'm Proud of the DR.
To show that kind of support and compassion to a country that used to be your bully,
Shows DR has becoming a very civilized society,
A 21th century nation.
Kudos to DR.
Probae esti in segetem sunt deteriorem datae fruges, tamen ipsae suaptae enitent .
Semper Fortis..........
Written by: Belial, 1 Apr 2010 2:20 PM
From: United States, Texas
"There is a lot of cash that is going to be thrown at the reconstrurction of Haiti and we are positioned just right to take advantage," Lopez31 observes.
oooo
Yeah, how could the DR go to the meeting, sit down, not raise its hand to pledge something and then demand a good chunk of the billions of dollars in reconstruction contracts?
If the DR did that, how would the DR look to you if you were at the meeting?
After all, nobody honors these pledges, least of all, the US imperialists.
From: United States
How to save Haiti from Haitians
1-Build a prison and lock up preval. his greedy, useless, and selfish government.
2_Build a second prison and lock all the so called politcians
3_Bulid a third prison and lock the alien leeches so called dirty elite
4_Build a 4th prison and lock all the hypocrites who preach fatalism"Jesus is the friend of the poor. God made Haitians poor"
5-Erect several execution posts and execute all thieves or burn their sticking asses alive
Now go ahead and remove my post.
But I promise I will be back with the same message
" Amazing Grace "
From: United States
How to save Haiti from Haitians
1-Build a prison and lock up preval. his greedy, useless, and selfish government.
2_Build a second prison and lock all the so called politcians
3_Bulid a third prison and lock the alien leeches so called dirty elite
4_Build a 4th prison and lock all the hypocrites who preach fatalism"Jesus is the friend of the poor. God made Haitians poor"
5-Erect several execution posts and execute all thieves or burn their sticking asses alive
Now go ahead and remove my post.
But I promise I will be back with the same message
" Amazing Grace "
From: United States, Naples, Florida
¿No se dan ustedes cuenta de la placa que tiene delante el Canciller? DOMINICA
Por eso está bien decir el Gobierno Dominicano.
Ahora bien, de la misma manera que se está ayudando Haití, debe reclamársele que honre el tratado fronterizo y ponga Isla de Santo Domingo en su constitución. ¿Es ciego nuestro Presidente, que no ve que se irrespeta nuestra constitución al Haití contradirla con el nombre de la isla? Ese es el asunto que resolverá la ayuda definitiva que podamos darle a ese pueblo, porque desde 1838 Duarte viene haciendo ese reclamo al Gobierno Haitiano. Esa es la base para que nosotros podamos tener sin objeciones nuestra identidad nacional propia Quisqueyana y no la prestada e incorrecta Dominicana, que pertenece verdaderamente a Dominica.
Written by: jonbonz, 1 Apr 2010 2:27 PM
From: Dominican Republic, santo domingo
Etienn that is the solution to 90% of the worlds problems.
Written by: Lopez31, 1 Apr 2010 3:08 PM
From: United States
Belial, stop with the "US imperialist" cr*p! You live in Texas, true marxist don't live within the evil empire.
Written by: generoso, 1 Apr 2010 3:23 PM
From: Dominican Republic, United States
Constitucion
The name tag in front of canciller Morales Troncoso says "Dominican Republic", in the UN you are seated in alphabetical order, DR, then Dominica, then Denmark and so forth. Look at the photo again more closely.
I do agree on the contents of your post.
If the name of our country would be changed in the future to "Quisqueya" then it will be under "Q" and after Qatar.
Written by: telemeco, 1 Apr 2010 3:57 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Monte Plata
Just put it on the country credit card...
Written by: Belial, 1 Apr 2010 5:06 PM
From: United States, Texas
"Belial, stop with the "US imperialist" cr*p! You live in Texas, true marxist don't live within the evil empire," Lopez31 lectures on Marxism.
oooo
True Marxists wage class struggle wherever bourgeoisie rules and wherever capitalism exists.
I kid you not ... among other places, the bourgeoisie rules Texas and capitalism infests and demeans Texas.
The Texas bourgeoisie, like the US bourgeoisie, relies on imperialism for life support.
We must unplug the life support.
Written by: josean, 1 Apr 2010 5:26 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
While LIE-onel Fernandez tries to BUY himself a better international image with the money of the Dominican Taxpayers, after his government has be overrun by NARCOS; these same taxpayers have no water or electricity!
Poca agua hace crisis en Capital
A esta situación se agrega un acentuado descenso en la generación eléctrica
http://www.elnacional.com.do/naci..../Poca-agua-hace-crisis-en-CapitalWritten by: jonbonz, 1 Apr 2010 5:31 PM
From: Dominican Republic, santo domingo
For your information I had 4 hours of water in the last 24 hours. It is better than the last week has been so improvements are made.
Dominican Politics 101. Make things worse than they were six months ago make small improvements on current situation then declare progress.
Written by: antonioj, 1 Apr 2010 5:45 PM
From: Canada, home safe
Is Lionel spending the subway money or this new money ?t . There is a backdoor agreement Preval will agree to take back 1. 2 million Haitians living presently in DR. $50 miilion is a significant amount of money.
Written by: Pepe32, 1 Apr 2010 6:03 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Antonio,if such a back door agreement and an agreement to accept the island (constitutionally) as two separate entities in a non equivocal fashion and to document properly all the Haitians then 50 million is fine!
Throw in some reconstruction projects and we have a deal!!
Written by: jonbonz, 1 Apr 2010 6:56 PM
From: Dominican Republic, santo domingo
From: United States
Lopez32. You seem to be the only one that understands how these contracts will be awarded.
"you have to pay to play" remember. Most of the work will be handled by businesses in DR but the hatred in so ingrained in some people on this board they fail to realize it.
Written by: jonbonz, 1 Apr 2010 9:32 PM
From: Dominican Republic, santo domingo
Post ogt reversed
I would say the DR will scrape 10% out of all aid going in. So if basically 10 Billion is pledged the DR will get about a billion off the top added to the economy. Now as the Haitian economy gets rebuilt over a generation this means long term has the Haitian population gets a higher standard of living most of the consumer products will be coming in from the DR short term and agriculture products permanently.
Now what is going o happen is the DR has pledged to build a university and in typical Dr fashion they will get half way finished and run out of money and other donor countries will probability finish the job.
Written by: jonbonz, 1 Apr 2010 9:32 PM
From: Dominican Republic, santo domingo
The world pretty much was impressed by the initial response the DR made in to help Haiti. It in self was not that big of a deal logistically because they just got in trucks and went in as if they were doing this in the DR. distance from border was less than an hour drive. The impressive part is it was for the most part spontaneous and was needed. The rest of the world was till planning in the DR was in doing recovery.
The DR has the most to gain out of this by making the case as everything would be easier to stage from the DR. Truck drivers, Stevedores, Hotels, and Farmers all have something to gain. Now if the DR wants to be on the Board of directors for the rebuilding they need to be a donor county. Also with the historical animosity the DR and Haiti has this country has the ability to get on the moral high ground and basically demand more help from the G12 or whatever they call themselves now. cont
From: United States
I like what some of you have said, and it makes a hell of a lot of sense. In order to get something back, you got to put something in first. Nevertheless, everyone has forgotten one very important point, the DR has only made a pledge, a promise that they "WILL" do, but they have not done it quite yet. Remember Leo is a good sweet talker and like many politicians, they are like the guy who wants to get laid and promises the girl everything including the universe, but after, he gets his piece of ass, forgets all the promises made.
Just read the wording: Don't worry the DR "........is confident that, together we can keep this commitment once Haiti is no longer on the front pages”, said Morales. Every time I hear the word don't worry, I get worried.
Nevertheless, my grand mother use to always say: "Del dicho al hecho, hay mucho trecho."
From: United States, north hills ,NY
To belial
www.vtv.gov.ve
www.antv.gob.ve
www.abn.info.ve
www.rnv.gov.ve
www.cne.gob.ve
www.vive.gob.ve
Written by: Belial, 1 Apr 2010 10:37 PM
From: United States, Texas
"Beliel just to stop your thunder.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100401/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/cb_cuba_us_haiti "
Jonbonz figures.
oooo
Not quite, Jonbonz .
But thanks for the link, very interesting.
The mere happening of a meeting doesn't mean much, especially when the meeting has many diverse items on the agenda.
As for "to coordinaqte medical help," Cuban doctors have too much dignity to allow insurance companies and NGOs tell them how to practice medicine, as servile US doctors do. Further, other important countries, including Norway, Haiti, and Brazil, are already funneling their health care aid thur the Cuban medical mission in Haiti, regardless of imperial designs. Third, there is no mention of giving Cuba a cut of the health care allocation out of the $2.4B of UN money. Fourth, meeting attests that US imperialists control the UN's $2.4B and are in a position to steal it, not the Haitian Government and Haitian bourgeoisie, as many argue in this forum.
From: United States
lopez, atabey i agree, this's a smart move from dr government! we'll get much back in the future.
Written by: shelinoF, 1 Apr 2010 10:47 PM
From: Turks and Caicos Islands
WTF? 50 Million USD? Man D.R has its own problems, first Leonel wants to build roads for Haiti, then a university, now 50 Million USD, What's next? are you going to offer the Haiti the Dominican Republic to haiti and make it one country?
Written by: Belial, 1 Apr 2010 10:58 PM
From: United States, Texas
"The United States has spearheaded efforts to rebuild Haiti following the Jan. 12 temblor, which killed between 217,000 and 300,000 people and left the capital, Port-au-Prince, in ruins. Cuba, which boasts one of the region's best health sectors, has also been a major player in the recovery effort," AP reports on April 1.
oooo
Spearheaded?
Most observers, including the closest allies of the US imperialists, said publicly the US imperialists botched and bungled its performance in Haiti and had to be rescued by the DR.
Spain and France denounced US imperialists as part of the problem.
US imperial incompetence no doubt resulted in the unnecessary deaths of many people.
Now, US imperialists are bragging in the bourgeois media that they "spearheaded" something.
Where do these imperialists get off?
The imperialists are smug and full of themselves because they control all the UN money, about $2.4B, and can blame the Haitians when the money disappears.
Written by: Belial, 1 Apr 2010 11:03 PM
From: United States, Texas
To belial
www.vtv.gov.ve
www.antv.gob.ve
www.abn.info.ve
www.rnv.gov.ve
www.cne.gob.ve
www.vive.gob.ve
, Daswolfgang recommends.
oooo
Thanks, these are excellent sites, full of truth.
Written by: Belial, 1 Apr 2010 11:23 PM
From: United States, Texas
If the DR doesn't get at the ... very very least ... a lousy $50M out the whopping $2.4B that UN has collected and holds in the kitty, then the US imperialists are low-down hogs or, better still, swine.
Of course, pro-imperialist cheerleaders will naturally blame the Haitians if the DR doesn't get a paltry $50M, even though Haitians are not allowed by the US imperialists to touch the $2.4B or even to look at it.
The pro-imperialist cheerleaders are terrified of telling the truth, because the truth may spark a visit from the FBI.
And, a lousy $50M will not pay for the university in Haiti that LF wants to build. The DR needs at least $75M to build the school.
From: Dominican Republic
You guys know what's worst?
Haitians are not going to thank the DR for all that.
In fact, they see this as an act of humiliation. I've seen it, I've seen their comments.
Keep pouring money on this bottomless pit.
Written by: josean, 2 Apr 2010 8:51 AM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
We should thank Almost Mangu, for having done the monumental tasks of reading EVERY comment and polling EVERY single Haitian in the world to arrive at his objective erudite conclusions:
"In fact, they see this as an act of humiliation. I've seen it, I've seen their comments."
“Haitians are not going to thank the DR for all that.”
From: Dominican Republic
lol lol lol ..Aunt Hilly just called American Express to request a higher limit on Leos tarjeta so why the sense of bewilderment people ?
Other than Atebey the waffling Olstien , where are all of those faithful Leonites that just cant wait to pull the lever again ? They must be shopping for HAMMERS AND NAILS at the new Home Depot in Port Au Prince so they can hang thier Dominican messiah back up on a street light pole that doesnt work . OH Yes , Your Haitian traitor president is soooooo hot and lookin soooooo good in them spandex on the cover of G.Q lol lol . '' Livin la vida leo ''
From: United States, I dont even live inside a house , I haunt one!
DR can afford to give away 50 million dollars , but we can afford to have lights and running water 24 hours lol what planet are this idiots living on
Written by: josean, 2 Apr 2010 11:13 AM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
"faithful Leonites'
The politically correct spelling is LIE-onelitas!
From: Dominican Republic
Excuuuuuuuse me Jo,
iF you HURRY , you can hunt for colored pineapples in the sugar cane fields that Martha and Atebey hid with Nicky boy last night . I bet you dont find one .( btw , try not to step in Banistans colored mojons lol )
Speaking of which ! Is the ring leader of leos glee club getting his picture taken with Ateo and the Easter bunny at the mall this morning ?
Written by: Belial, 2 Apr 2010 11:25 AM
From: United States, Texas
P 1 OF 3
Speech (excerpt on Health care) by Bruno Rodríguez Parilla, Cuban minister of foreign affairs, at MARCH 31 Haiti donors meeting
"The program for the reconstruction and strengthening of the Haitian national healthcare system, drawn up by the Haitian government and Cuban governments, with the cooperation of the Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela and other countries and humanitarian organizations, will guarantee wide health coverage for the population, in particular the low-income sector."
"That program is based on 101 primary healthcare centers which are being created, at which an estimated 2.8 million patients will be treated, 1.3 million emergency operations performed, 168,000 babies delivered, and 3 million vaccinations administered every year."
[RODRIGUEZ ISN'T BEGGING US IMPERIALISTS FOR A CUT OF THE $2.4B. HE'S TRYING TO LURE BIG DONORS FROM US IMPERIALISTS TO THE ONGOING CUBAN-ADMINISTERED HEATHCARE PROGRAM IN HAITI. --BELIAL]
CON'T
Written by: Belial, 2 Apr 2010 11:27 AM
From: United States, Texas
P 2 of 3
"These health centers will be supported by the services of 30 community reference hospitals distributed throughout the country and equipped with cutting-edge technology for secondary attention, which can treat 2.154 million people per year, perform 54,000 operations – 1 million of these emergency surgery –, 276,000 electro-cardiograms, 144,000 diagnostic ultrasounds, 43,000 endoscopies, 181,000 X-Rays, 107,000 dental examinations, and 487,000 laboratory tests."
"Given the extraordinary number of poly-traumatized patients, 30 rehabilitation rooms are likewise being equipped which, within 12 months, will provide services for 520,000 patients and 2.4 million therapeutic treatments."
"There will also be three electromedicine centers, a prosthesis laboratory and an integral hygiene and epidemiology program. "
[US, EU, LATIN AMERICAN AND CARIBBEAN, ASIAN PHYSICIANS AND EXPERTS VISITING HAITI SEE THAT MOST OF THIS STUFF IS ALREADY IN CONSTRUCTION. --BELIAL]
CON'T
Written by: Belial, 2 Apr 2010 11:29 AM
From: United States, Texas
P 3 OF 3
"Also planned is a Haitian National Specialties Hospital at tertiary level, involving cooperation from other countries, directed by 80 high-level Cuban specialists responsible for services and clinical departments, research and teaching, and Haitian professionals who will be trained at the institution and progressively replace the Cuban medical professors. "
"The cost of the already mentioned services will amount to $690.5 million over 10 years, a total that includes the medical services provided, calculated at 50% of international prices; the sustainability of these services and the personnel providing them; and the training of a further 312 Haitian doctors in Cuba."
"It is possible to do this."
"Our practical experience confirms it. In fact, this program is already underway and, post-quake, 23 of these primary care health centers, 15 community reference hospitals and 21 rehabilitation rooms are up and running."
[PROLONG APPLAUSE]
From: Dominican Republic
Belial ,
Did you give up COMMUNISM for lent lol ? You should try one of those Cadbury eggs that Raul has doned to all Cuban citizens as a jesture of his good will . Next year hes even going to put them in baskets with a 5 pound months supply of rice .
Written by: Belial, 2 Apr 2010 12:02 PM
From: United States, Texas
"Belial, Did you give up COMMUNISM for lent lol ? You should try one of those Cadbury eggs that Raul has doned to all Cuban citizens as a jesture of his good will . Next year hes even going to put them in baskets with a 5 pound months supply of rice," Dominicanheartbeat makes fun of Belial.
oooo
"Lent" is described as being the 40 days representing the time Jesus spent in desert before beginning his public ministry, where he endured temptation by Satan.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LentHeartbeat, I've wandered in the desert for 40 years, not 40 days.
As for the rice, most Latin Americans and Caribbeans, looted by US imperialist thieves, wish they had 5 pounds of rice. We must stop imperialist stealing to maintain US living standards.
A cadbury egg is a brand of chocolate manufactured to look like an egg inside and out.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cadbury_eggsI don't like the sound or the look of brown eggs which you favor.
Do you really like brown eggs?
Written by: mrweepa1, 2 Apr 2010 12:17 PM
From: United States, Huntington Station NY. Juan Dolio DR.
the money comes to dr via usa to haiti, period.............
Written by: jonbonz, 2 Apr 2010 12:35 PM
From: Dominican Republic, santo domingo
My friends the largest export market for DR products is Haiti. That has been acknowledged on this site many times. Bottom line the faster and the higher the economic rise of Haiti the more products the DR can sell to our neighbors.
With out the history or politics of it all that is the cold hard economic facts. Now the pledges and plans of this help is basically an outsider is going to live and work hand in hand with every government official in Haiti to make sure the money is getting spent where the “Donors” want it spent. Now if the DR buys some stock on this whole process they will be able to be in the “Mentor decision maker” status rather than a subcontractor situation.
Belial I know you are going to recycle and repaint this and shoot it back at me because I know this feeds your view.
From: United States
you have to pay to play fellas. This happens in business all the time. If you want business from a nonprofit they want you to donate. That's how it works. You want the juicy contracts then contribute. 50million will be a drop in the bucket. Consider it an investment. What will be the ROI?
Think about it.
From: Dominican Republic
Vey good Belial,
but the heart of the problem is the problem of the heart , not communism , capitalism or the cadbury egg factory ! Food drives and donations may feed a Dominican family for a week or 2 but only the Love , grace and gospel of Christ can change corrupt lives and governments for all eternity , so in the end , it does not matter if Leo wins again or looses or if Cuba ever opens an Outback steak hOUSE IN HAVANNA , but only this :
''que si confeseras con tu boca que Jesus es el Señor ,y creyeres en tu corazon que Dios le levanto' de los muertos , seras salvo ''. Romanos 10 vs 9.
Have a blessed holiday my friends and may the ressurected Lord and Savior reveal Himself to you all in the power of His glory !
Written by: Belial, 2 Apr 2010 1:56 PM
From: United States, Texas
"You have to pay to play fellas," ignoranceisbliss,perceptively says.
0000
No pain, no gain.
No sin, no win.
No juice, no boost
It is an inviolable law of mechanics known as no action, no reaction.
Written by: Belial, 2 Apr 2010 2:16 PM
From: United States, Texas
"But the heart of the problem is the problem of the heart , not communism , capitalism or the cadbury egg factory ! Food drives and donations may feed a Dominican family for a week or 2 but only the Love , grace and gospel of Christ can change corrupt lives and governments for all eternity , so in the end , it does not matter if Leo wins again or looses or if Cuba ever opens an Outback steak hOUSE IN HAVANNA ," Dominicanhearbeat expounds.
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Heartbeat, I hope ... or, better still ... I pray you're not about to go off, like you did on the Jehovah Witnesses. You flogged them until they were skinless.
What a spectacle ... before each blow of the flogging, you quoted a passage from the bible.
When I hear you mention "grace and gospel of Christ can change corrupt lives and governments" and those outback steak houses, I know you're getting ready to flog somebody.
Heartbeak, please drop your whip, we are all penitents without your whip.
Written by: Belial, 2 Apr 2010 2:53 PM
From: United States, Texas
"My friends the largest export market for DR products is Haiti. That has been acknowledged on this site many times. Bottom line the faster and the higher the economic rise of Haiti the more products the DR can sell to our neighbors ... Belial I know you are going to recycle and repaint this and shoot it back at me because I know this feeds your view," Jonbonz perceptively explains and predicts.
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Yes, it feeds my view.
Haiti was a big DR poultry market until bourgeois media in USA blew up a minor bird flu outbreak in the DR, a couple years ago. These outbreaks occur in USA much more frequently than in the DR. The Haitians stopped eating DR birds and eggs and began eating US birds and eggs.
The imperialists goosed the DR.
Venezuela then wanted DR birds and eggs, but US imperialists planted stories in bourgeois media in Venezuela than DR birds and eggs had bird flu. US imperialists kept their Venezuelan market share for poultry products.
Another goosing.
Written by: abc200, 2 Apr 2010 3:57 PM
From: United Kingdom, Dominican Republic
The DR would not benefit from the continued 'de facto' invasion of Haiti by the US. Clearly the evil empire must be stopped and a good outcome found for both the people of Haiti and the DR.
Uniting in the struggle with the Haitian people and gaining support of the progressive countries in the region is the way forward.
S.
Written by: jonbonz, 2 Apr 2010 4:35 PM
From: Dominican Republic, santo domingo
Is it not ironic when the US military went into Haiti everyone said it is an occupation. When the bulk left everyone said why so soon?
Written by: jonbonz, 2 Apr 2010 4:54 PM
From: Dominican Republic, santo domingo
Some times your views remind me of those theologians that are totally thrilled that they can read the scripture written in ancient Greek but they can’t even change a tire on their car. They have this information that does them absolutely no good in the real world.
I have thrown barbs at you so I feel I at least owe you the respect to read your post. A good 25% is relevant and the rest is quoted passages of some Socialist propaganda handbook. I promise you if you put out your technical reference and then make your opinion known in one paragraph or less you would get actually more people reading and thinking about what you say
Post got reversed
Written by: jonbonz, 2 Apr 2010 4:54 PM
From: Dominican Republic, santo domingo
Belial
I am probably as right wing as the come however I do like to listen to all ideas and think logically about what is put before me. With what I see out of the Government here I can see why some populist ideology is tempting to some people.
However I have seen first hand what happens in the developing world when populists take over. If they were not corrupt when they take over they become corrupt soon after.
A good part of the problems in the DR and Haiti can be directly laid at the feet of the US Government and the corporations there. I will acknowledge that. The Cuban government is doing some great things. The medical care around the world, the organic farming to feed the population and so forth but that does not in any way erase the evil he has perpetrated. I have personally had a beer with soldiers in Africa that have fought against rebels armed trained and led by Cubans.
cont
Written by: abc200, 2 Apr 2010 5:05 PM
From: United Kingdom, Dominican Republic
Written by: drcaycu, 2 Apr 2010 6:07 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Santo Domingo
I would imagine the idea is that the funds goes to pay Dominican Contractors to build in Haiti.
Written by: jonbonz, 2 Apr 2010 6:44 PM
From: Dominican Republic, santo domingo
drcaycu the other thing is by being a donor country they will basically be on the board of directors of the system and not only decide where their contributions are spend but also take a big cut of the other cash.
Written by: Escott, 2 Apr 2010 6:49 PM
From: Dominican Republic, Cabrera and Sosua a 2 days a month for payday
Gosh it is tough to read all the drivel of Belial.
Written by: Belial, 2 Apr 2010 6:52 PM
From: United States, Texas
"Some times your views remind me of those theologians that are totally thrilled that they can read the scripture written in ancient Greek but they can’t even change a tire on their car," Jonbonz says with a touch of irony.
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Some times my views remind me of the same thing that they make you recall.
This time, your view reminds me of those arrogant people, often US troops and murderers, who can change a tire on their car and therefore they believe they must exterminate 2,000,000 innocent Iraqi citizens between 2003 and 2010 to vindicate the lies of Mr. Bush and Mr. Cheney about weapons of mass destruction and about equally false allegations on Iraqi complicity in 9/11.
I still believe reading "scripture written in ancient Greek" better qualifies one to decide whether 2,000,000 totally innocent people should be exterminated than the handy ability to change a car tire, regardless of what degenerates like Bush and Cheney command us to do.
Written by: Belial, 2 Apr 2010 6:58 PM
From: United States, Texas
"Gosh it is tough to read all the drivel of Belial," Escott says with exasperation.
0000
Gosh, try composing it.
Written by: jonbonz, 2 Apr 2010 7:13 PM
From: Dominican Republic, santo domingo
But you have yet to give of an example of how to feed the masses that does not include some utopian central power.
Therefore it still is worthless knowlege.
Written by: Belial, 2 Apr 2010 7:43 PM
From: United States, Texas
"Maybe the Cubans will educate the Hatians.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/8589402.stm " Abc200 reveals.
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Abc,
That is such an inspiring, moving, and true story.
Yes, it has its snide slants against the Left that are mandatory for all stories published in the bourgeois media, but in the main it's a wonderful story.
John Garang, during his student days in the USA, was known in a number of left circles.
Nobody knew what to make of him.
Looking back, he was more intuitive (insight) than discursive (reason). This of course is generally good. But there was something of a discursive deficiency in him.
My understanding is most of the Cuban-educated intellectuals of Sudanese origin left Cuba for the Sudan, not Canada for Sudan.
Indeed, most of the Cuban-educated intellectuals who went to Canada are still in Canada, doing menial jobs.
Written by: Belial, 2 Apr 2010 8:35 PM
From: United States, Texas
In 2005, a hundred DR youth traveled to Cuba to study different specialties after the Cuban government assigned them scholarships.
http://www.dominicantoday.com/dr/..../Dominican-youth-to-study-in-CubaThe DR recipients studied medicine, engineering, physics, veterinary medicine, arts and sports.
The DR officials, at the time, highlighted humble origin of the youth carefully selected in backward DR rural zones and praised the important role of Cuban cooperation in opening up a broad range of opportunities. Some DR rural zones wouldn't have doctors but for Cuban-educated DR doctors.
The first DR medical students to graduate from the Havana´s Latin American School of Medicine returned to DR in late 2005 and early 2006.
Most are doing very ... very well.
In 2007, about 150 DR youth went to Cuba to study medicine.
Quite a few Cuban-educated DR doctors now practice in Haiti after the quake.
Written by: Belial, 2 Apr 2010 8:47 PM
From: United States, Texas
The censor, always present in the bourgeois media, is after me.
I hope he doesn't get me ... again.
The last time, I was barred, the DT told me I was too often off-topic.
Excepting this post, I've consistently quoted either from a DT article [not censored by the DT] or from a non-censored comment under a uncensored DT article.
Four little "0000" separate my comments from the quoted matter to which I responded.
So, the off-topic thing seem specious.
Perhaps, the censor will get me because of a lack of tact.
But in this forum, there is no such thing as a lack of tact.
From: Dominican Republic
Belial, shut the hell UP!
Written by: josean, 2 Apr 2010 9:29 PM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
Almost Mangu,
Just change the channel!
Written by: jonbonz, 3 Apr 2010 1:52 AM
From: Dominican Republic, santo domingo
From: Dominican Republic, NEVER FORGOTTEN, NEVER FORSAKEN!
"Belial" that's one of the many names for the "deceiver" used in the Bible.
Happy Resurrection Sunday to all the followers around the world.
Written by: kreyol, 3 Apr 2010 10:45 AM
From: United States, Dallas, TX
Lopez31, Great point on the jobs creation. I believe Haiti's reconstruction will create a lot of jobs for the Haitians and Dominicans.
I am however still a little sceptical about the Dominican gov will to accept a develop Haiti next door.
I am hoping senor Fernandez has a better heart than the previous DR leaders.
We will see.
Written by: kreyol, 3 Apr 2010 10:45 AM
From: United States, Dallas, TX
Lopez31, Great point on the jobs creation. I believe Haiti's reconstruction will create a lot of jobs for the Haitians and Dominicans.
I am however still a little sceptical about the Dominican gov will to accept a develop Haiti next door.
I am hoping senor Fernandez has a better heart than the previous DR leaders.
We will see.
From: Dominican Republic
oooooooo Belial,
You may not find any eggs under your Uncle Rauls mattress Sunday morning but
the cross and blood of Jesus will find you yet ! '' Dont leave earth without it ''.
From: Dominican Republic
belial,
Unlike you , not only have I been to your Uncles for a weekend retreat , but I have many Cuban friends who came to this country within the last 10 years and one of them was even a doctor now working at a resort here in Miami . He is making more money parking cars for rich people than he could ever have made as a phsyician in Cuba and needs to earn or borrow 78,000 dollars to complete his 6 month board exam certification to continue practicing medicine here the states .
Very often I have the privilige of picking his brain about the realities of medicine and other social realities about Cuba that you are so ignorant about as you believe everything that your Gastapo leader reports to the world media from his iron podium in Havana.
Yes , Cuba has one of the most advanced medical systems in the world , but only in comparison to other 3rd world countries if you get the drift ! In the Latin Americas , yes , But compared to North America and Europe its way behind .
Written by: jonbonz, 3 Apr 2010 12:17 PM
From: Dominican Republic, santo domingo
Written by: antonioj, 3 Apr 2010 1:15 PM
From: Canada, home safe
Pepe, 1.2 million haitians verus 50 millions dollard donations given by the DR gov work out to approximate to a mere pittance of $50 per head, therefore not even enough for a one way ticket by bus back to haiti.
Written by: Belial, 3 Apr 2010 1:17 PM
From: United States, Texas
"You may not find any eggs under your Uncle Rauls mattress Sunday morning but
the cross and blood of Jesus will find you yet ! '' Dont leave earth without it , '' Dominicanheartbeat preaches.
0000
As you know, the Nazarene is a divine being and therefore it is immortal or can't die. If it can't die, this ""blood," which you mention, doesn't signify death. If the Nazarene didn't die because of its immortality, you should not brag about his blood.
Written by: Belial, 3 Apr 2010 1:21 PM
From: United States, Texas
""Belial" that's one of the many names for the "deceiver" used in the Bible," DONT_BE_SILENT recalls.
0000
Do you also entertain yourself with other fantasies or is this one the only one?
Written by: Belial, 3 Apr 2010 1:30 PM
From: United States, Texas
"Is it not amazing how Castro now turns to the church to help fix his failed state?" Jobbonz
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100402/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/cb_cuba_religion0000
Castro reaching out to Nazarene experts on divine beings to urge them to try harder to develop ethical consciousness and activity among the Nazarene faithful shows that the State in Cuba is succeeding, not failing.
From: Dominican Republic, NEVER FORGOTTEN, NEVER FORSAKEN!
Is that what you think the Bible is?
oooo
....then again you're Haitian.
Written by: Belial, 3 Apr 2010 1:53 PM
From: United States, Texas
"He is making more money parking cars for rich people than he could ever have made as a phsyician in Cuba and needs to earn or borrow 78,000 dollars to complete his 6 month board exam certification to continue practicing medicine here the states," Dominicanheartbeat discusses a Cuban-American friend.
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They are not called "doctors" in the USA.
If your friend is happy parking cars for the minimum wage and tips in Miami, then good for him.
This immigrant has to do two things to get a medical license in the USA as an international medical graduate ( an IMG):
(1) Pass the med exam
(2) Get in and complete his residency at a US hospital
Both (1) and (2) are absolutely required.
Most IMGs of Latin American origin fail the exam because the exam is in medical English.
The IMGs who pass the exam find it almost impossible to get into a residency programs at US hospitals, even in Miami.
It's unlikely that he will ever legally practice medicine in the states.
Written by: Belial, 3 Apr 2010 3:33 PM
From: United States, Texas
The two main players in health care in Haiti are Cuba with 1504 doctors (which includes almost 600 Cuban-educated Haitian doctors) and MSF (Doctors Without Borders) with a medical staff of 3,400.
After the quake, MSF flew in some 348 doctors from many countries, adding to 3,060 Haitian and non-Haitian staff MSF already employed in Haiti before the quake.
USA, in third place, sent and has largely withdrawn 550 doctors, and Canada sent 45. The bourgeois media focus mostly on the performance of the 550 US doctors, most of whom have now left Haiti.
While US medical mission grabbed headlines and international aid money, the Cuban and Cuban-educated doctors performed almost three times the medical services than MSF, USA and the Canadian medical missions, all combined.
The Cubans have treated 227,143 patients. MSF treated 54,000. Canada, (handling mostly "non-serious" cases) treated 21,000 patients and USA treated 871 patients, mostly surgeries.
Written by: Pepe32, 3 Apr 2010 6:24 PM
From: Dominican Republic
"Pepe, 1.2 million haitians verus 50 millions dollard donations given by the DR gov work out to approximate to a mere pittance of $50 per head, therefore not even enough for a one way ticket by bus back to haiti."
You are correct Antonio,so we are back to square one or even worse!
Written by: cantave, 3 Apr 2010 10:19 PM
From: United States, !<82ndAbd>!Lt.Tigah>Fort Bragg>North Carolina, U.S>Platoon Leader>Tactical Hardcore.
DONT_BE_SILENT, 3 Apr 2010 1:50 PM
From: Dominican Republic, 1st SANTIAGO OF THE AMERICAS
Is that what you think the Bible is?
oooo
....then again you're Haitian.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Haitian or not.
Spotless rhetorics belongs to
oooo
Belial.
Semper fidelis........
From: United States
Written by: DONT_BE_SILENT, 3 Apr 2010 1:50 PM
From: Dominican Republic, 1st SANTIAGO OF THE AMERICAS
Is that what you think the Bible is?
oooo
....then again you're Haitian.
Enlightment me. What does then again you're haitian mean?
You guys love quoting the bible that preaches tolerance and love for your fellow man. However, you say some of the most vile (
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/vile) things about your next door neighbor.
Also, Organized Religion is the biggest scam in the world. Most of you guys know that but just to continue with the lie
From: Canada, Ottawa, Ontario
preach it ignoranceisbliss.
From: Dominican Republic, NEVER FORGOTTEN, NEVER FORSAKEN!
PATDIAMOND:
The same organized religions have spent millions in Haiti; scamming others I guess, cause there's no people to scam for money in Haiti.
From: United States
Written by: DONT_BE_SILENT, 4 Apr 2010 8:27 AM
From: Dominican Republic, 1st SANTIAGO OF THE AMERICAS
PATDIAMOND:
The same organized religions have spent millions in Haiti; scamming others I guess, cause there's no people to scam for money in Haiti.
No money in Haiti huh? Please forgive the ignorant. He resorts to these types of behavior because it makes him feel superior. If he learned the origin of religion and how it was spread thruout the world he would remain silent. If he learned how it was spread in this part of the world ie. DR/Haiti he would remain silent.
I have learned certain types don't deserve an answer because they don't know what they're talking about.
Religion does keep some people morals in line. It does give weak minded people a guide to live by. Religion is the opium of the masses. Pat forgive the ignorant. hug him love him like your brother and show him the facts and let him come to his own conclusion.
Organized Religion is the biggest lie.
From: Dominican Republic
Belial has found a golden brown egg under his Uncle Fidels pillow yesterday but in his demonic ignorance continues to blow unfounded facts out of his nose about issues he has never researched for himself and is still too afraid of .( Especially that which pertains to the King of Kings who he continues to slander in his foolishness ). E.G, JUST READ THE JEHOVAS WITNESS FORUM AND YOU WILL ALL SEE WHAT I MEAN LOL..
Know this Belial !
'' Every knee shall bow and every tounge shall confess that Jesus Christ is Lord ''.
This means even you ! I only pray that you do it on this side of eternity.
From: Dominican Republic
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From: Canada, Ottawa, Ontario
wow people are still talking about this thread intresting......
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These guys are absolutely CRAZY!
However, between LIE-onel Fernandez’s buddy the Narco-Spaniard and the Narco-Boricua it shouldn't be difficult to come up with the money!
Those guys are loaded, and still they don't have the will to fix our main basic problems, like electricity, drinkable water supply and social housing for the poor. Also fix our streets and sewages. Build dams and dykes to prevent floodings. Build universities and technical institutes. Make a nationwide railway system. Invest in education...
i think I'm still asleep trapped in a nightmare or something.
I believe in helping people out, but first you need to be in the position to do that.
1. The DR has major power problems and owes Millions to the power companies. (Pay The Bills)
2. University students in the DR are protesting because they don’t have the proper labs to finish their graduate studies, so where are the funds to facilitate that?
If we have so much dough how come there is no money for the teachers and schools, or doctors, or to repair and build new highways, or pay the arrears to the electricity suppliers, or clean up the dams.
Charity is fine, and I am all for helping Haiti, but in the DR there 3 million poor people that do not have toilet facilities, and thousands that only eat once daily if at all, and don't have a roof over their heads.
Why do we have to pretend to be something that we are not?
oooo
Nobody expects the DR to foolishly hand that money over to US imperialist looters who control the UN scam.
The DR was shamed into making the pledge by the show of verbal nobility by other conference attendees.
Why should the DR hand over its aid money to pro-imperialist NGOs when the DR has a 100,000 times more experience in Haiti than these foreign NGOs?
The DR's mistake is that it didn't launch its own fundraising drive for Haiti, under CariCom or Rio Group auspices, the day after the quake like the US imperialists ... under UN auspices ... did.
But DR can still do so. But if the DR did so, the DR will make the US imperialist thieves real mad.
we have one of the highest government imposed taxes in the world, it's call ITBI, 16% based on what you purchase.
So, in the end what's 50 million when the Dominican Economy will benefit by billions more.
Lopez31 is on the right track. If you want to be a player in the Great Haiti Reconstruction Project, you have to put something in the kettle. 100 million or thereabouts doesn't sound out of the question for the expected return in revenue streams. Smart and intelligent move by LF.
Feed the poor in your own country first
Fix Education in your own country second
Pay down energy debt in your own country third
Fix the roads and infrastructure in your own country fourth
...this list goes on and on, and on, and......
I do not want to sound like an anti-Haiti person, but giving away
US$50mm when you can't even feed or provide jobs in your own
country sounds like the DR government has completely lost
all sight of everything it had been created to do: help the people
of the Dominican Republic survive, and in time prosper...
Come on LF, look at your own country first! If it looks perfect,
and there are no problems, then you can go around gallivanting
with your big bag of taxpayer money and give it to every Tom Dick and
Harry you come across...
Until then, FIX YOUR F*CKING COUNTRY - you corrupt prick!!!!!
ooo
Maybe.
The DR may get a good chunk, but US imperialists are being greedy with the money "in the bank."
A "pledge" is not legally or morally binding.
A "commitment" is a plege that is legally binding.
A "disbursement" is a plege "in the bank."
DR made only a "pledge" although it is called a "commitment."
It means nothing.
You're 50 mill is prob an investment more than anything. I don't know how many Estrella trucks I saw on Route National #1 last year between PAP and Cap Haitien putting down new roads.
Many times your information is accurate. The problem comes when you paint it with Marxist water based paint. Looks good to the uneducated but will not stand up to weathering.
A good portion of this “AID” is more like a store gift card. The face value is say $200 but you have to use it at the Sears and Roebuck and only buy the blue tagged items with it. A good portion of the international aid is corporate welfare for the donor countries.
This we all know. I dare say this 50 million is tagged for certain items from Dominican companies. May be rice farmers, PVC Tube. Or it may be a way to offer aggregate for concrete block at an inflated price ( Samana fly Ash)
wtf....
We need to come out of the ashes and stabilize, socially, professionally, and economically.
It will proportionally affect us in a big postive way.
We want smart powerful neighbors...
I'm Proud of the DR.
To show that kind of support and compassion to a country that used to be your bully,
Shows DR has becoming a very civilized society,
A 21th century nation.
Kudos to DR.
Probae esti in segetem sunt deteriorem datae fruges, tamen ipsae suaptae enitent .
Semper Fortis..........
oooo
Yeah, how could the DR go to the meeting, sit down, not raise its hand to pledge something and then demand a good chunk of the billions of dollars in reconstruction contracts?
If the DR did that, how would the DR look to you if you were at the meeting?
After all, nobody honors these pledges, least of all, the US imperialists.
1-Build a prison and lock up preval. his greedy, useless, and selfish government.
2_Build a second prison and lock all the so called politcians
3_Bulid a third prison and lock the alien leeches so called dirty elite
4_Build a 4th prison and lock all the hypocrites who preach fatalism"Jesus is the friend of the poor. God made Haitians poor"
5-Erect several execution posts and execute all thieves or burn their sticking asses alive
Now go ahead and remove my post.
But I promise I will be back with the same message
" Amazing Grace "
1-Build a prison and lock up preval. his greedy, useless, and selfish government.
2_Build a second prison and lock all the so called politcians
3_Bulid a third prison and lock the alien leeches so called dirty elite
4_Build a 4th prison and lock all the hypocrites who preach fatalism"Jesus is the friend of the poor. God made Haitians poor"
5-Erect several execution posts and execute all thieves or burn their sticking asses alive
Now go ahead and remove my post.
But I promise I will be back with the same message
" Amazing Grace "
Por eso está bien decir el Gobierno Dominicano.
Ahora bien, de la misma manera que se está ayudando Haití, debe reclamársele que honre el tratado fronterizo y ponga Isla de Santo Domingo en su constitución. ¿Es ciego nuestro Presidente, que no ve que se irrespeta nuestra constitución al Haití contradirla con el nombre de la isla? Ese es el asunto que resolverá la ayuda definitiva que podamos darle a ese pueblo, porque desde 1838 Duarte viene haciendo ese reclamo al Gobierno Haitiano. Esa es la base para que nosotros podamos tener sin objeciones nuestra identidad nacional propia Quisqueyana y no la prestada e incorrecta Dominicana, que pertenece verdaderamente a Dominica.
The name tag in front of canciller Morales Troncoso says "Dominican Republic", in the UN you are seated in alphabetical order, DR, then Dominica, then Denmark and so forth. Look at the photo again more closely.
I do agree on the contents of your post.
If the name of our country would be changed in the future to "Quisqueya" then it will be under "Q" and after Qatar.
oooo
True Marxists wage class struggle wherever bourgeoisie rules and wherever capitalism exists.
I kid you not ... among other places, the bourgeoisie rules Texas and capitalism infests and demeans Texas.
The Texas bourgeoisie, like the US bourgeoisie, relies on imperialism for life support.
We must unplug the life support.
While LIE-onel Fernandez tries to BUY himself a better international image with the money of the Dominican Taxpayers, after his government has be overrun by NARCOS; these same taxpayers have no water or electricity!
Poca agua hace crisis en Capital
A esta situación se agrega un acentuado descenso en la generación eléctrica
http://www.elnacional.com.do/naci..../Poca-agua-hace-crisis-en-Capital
Dominican Politics 101. Make things worse than they were six months ago make small improvements on current situation then declare progress.
Throw in some reconstruction projects and we have a deal!!
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100401/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/cb_cuba_us_haiti
"you have to pay to play" remember. Most of the work will be handled by businesses in DR but the hatred in so ingrained in some people on this board they fail to realize it.
I would say the DR will scrape 10% out of all aid going in. So if basically 10 Billion is pledged the DR will get about a billion off the top added to the economy. Now as the Haitian economy gets rebuilt over a generation this means long term has the Haitian population gets a higher standard of living most of the consumer products will be coming in from the DR short term and agriculture products permanently.
Now what is going o happen is the DR has pledged to build a university and in typical Dr fashion they will get half way finished and run out of money and other donor countries will probability finish the job.
The DR has the most to gain out of this by making the case as everything would be easier to stage from the DR. Truck drivers, Stevedores, Hotels, and Farmers all have something to gain. Now if the DR wants to be on the Board of directors for the rebuilding they need to be a donor county. Also with the historical animosity the DR and Haiti has this country has the ability to get on the moral high ground and basically demand more help from the G12 or whatever they call themselves now. cont
Just read the wording: Don't worry the DR "........is confident that, together we can keep this commitment once Haiti is no longer on the front pages”, said Morales. Every time I hear the word don't worry, I get worried.
Nevertheless, my grand mother use to always say: "Del dicho al hecho, hay mucho trecho."
www.vtv.gov.ve
www.antv.gob.ve
www.abn.info.ve
www.rnv.gov.ve
www.cne.gob.ve
www.vive.gob.ve
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100401/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/cb_cuba_us_haiti "
Jonbonz figures.
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Not quite, Jonbonz .
But thanks for the link, very interesting.
The mere happening of a meeting doesn't mean much, especially when the meeting has many diverse items on the agenda.
As for "to coordinaqte medical help," Cuban doctors have too much dignity to allow insurance companies and NGOs tell them how to practice medicine, as servile US doctors do. Further, other important countries, including Norway, Haiti, and Brazil, are already funneling their health care aid thur the Cuban medical mission in Haiti, regardless of imperial designs. Third, there is no mention of giving Cuba a cut of the health care allocation out of the $2.4B of UN money. Fourth, meeting attests that US imperialists control the UN's $2.4B and are in a position to steal it, not the Haitian Government and Haitian bourgeoisie, as many argue in this forum.
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Spearheaded?
Most observers, including the closest allies of the US imperialists, said publicly the US imperialists botched and bungled its performance in Haiti and had to be rescued by the DR.
Spain and France denounced US imperialists as part of the problem.
US imperial incompetence no doubt resulted in the unnecessary deaths of many people.
Now, US imperialists are bragging in the bourgeois media that they "spearheaded" something.
Where do these imperialists get off?
The imperialists are smug and full of themselves because they control all the UN money, about $2.4B, and can blame the Haitians when the money disappears.
www.vtv.gov.ve
www.antv.gob.ve
www.abn.info.ve
www.rnv.gov.ve
www.cne.gob.ve
www.vive.gob.ve
, Daswolfgang recommends.
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Thanks, these are excellent sites, full of truth.
Of course, pro-imperialist cheerleaders will naturally blame the Haitians if the DR doesn't get a paltry $50M, even though Haitians are not allowed by the US imperialists to touch the $2.4B or even to look at it.
The pro-imperialist cheerleaders are terrified of telling the truth, because the truth may spark a visit from the FBI.
And, a lousy $50M will not pay for the university in Haiti that LF wants to build. The DR needs at least $75M to build the school.
Haitians are not going to thank the DR for all that.
In fact, they see this as an act of humiliation. I've seen it, I've seen their comments.
Keep pouring money on this bottomless pit.
We should thank Almost Mangu, for having done the monumental tasks of reading EVERY comment and polling EVERY single Haitian in the world to arrive at his objective erudite conclusions:
"In fact, they see this as an act of humiliation. I've seen it, I've seen their comments."
“Haitians are not going to thank the DR for all that.”
Other than Atebey the waffling Olstien , where are all of those faithful Leonites that just cant wait to pull the lever again ? They must be shopping for HAMMERS AND NAILS at the new Home Depot in Port Au Prince so they can hang thier Dominican messiah back up on a street light pole that doesnt work . OH Yes , Your Haitian traitor president is soooooo hot and lookin soooooo good in them spandex on the cover of G.Q lol lol . '' Livin la vida leo ''
"faithful Leonites'
The politically correct spelling is LIE-onelitas!
iF you HURRY , you can hunt for colored pineapples in the sugar cane fields that Martha and Atebey hid with Nicky boy last night . I bet you dont find one .( btw , try not to step in Banistans colored mojons lol )
Speaking of which ! Is the ring leader of leos glee club getting his picture taken with Ateo and the Easter bunny at the mall this morning ?
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Speech (excerpt on Health care) by Bruno Rodríguez Parilla, Cuban minister of foreign affairs, at MARCH 31 Haiti donors meeting
"The program for the reconstruction and strengthening of the Haitian national healthcare system, drawn up by the Haitian government and Cuban governments, with the cooperation of the Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela and other countries and humanitarian organizations, will guarantee wide health coverage for the population, in particular the low-income sector."
"That program is based on 101 primary healthcare centers which are being created, at which an estimated 2.8 million patients will be treated, 1.3 million emergency operations performed, 168,000 babies delivered, and 3 million vaccinations administered every year."
[RODRIGUEZ ISN'T BEGGING US IMPERIALISTS FOR A CUT OF THE $2.4B. HE'S TRYING TO LURE BIG DONORS FROM US IMPERIALISTS TO THE ONGOING CUBAN-ADMINISTERED HEATHCARE PROGRAM IN HAITI. --BELIAL]
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"These health centers will be supported by the services of 30 community reference hospitals distributed throughout the country and equipped with cutting-edge technology for secondary attention, which can treat 2.154 million people per year, perform 54,000 operations – 1 million of these emergency surgery –, 276,000 electro-cardiograms, 144,000 diagnostic ultrasounds, 43,000 endoscopies, 181,000 X-Rays, 107,000 dental examinations, and 487,000 laboratory tests."
"Given the extraordinary number of poly-traumatized patients, 30 rehabilitation rooms are likewise being equipped which, within 12 months, will provide services for 520,000 patients and 2.4 million therapeutic treatments."
"There will also be three electromedicine centers, a prosthesis laboratory and an integral hygiene and epidemiology program. "
[US, EU, LATIN AMERICAN AND CARIBBEAN, ASIAN PHYSICIANS AND EXPERTS VISITING HAITI SEE THAT MOST OF THIS STUFF IS ALREADY IN CONSTRUCTION. --BELIAL]
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"Also planned is a Haitian National Specialties Hospital at tertiary level, involving cooperation from other countries, directed by 80 high-level Cuban specialists responsible for services and clinical departments, research and teaching, and Haitian professionals who will be trained at the institution and progressively replace the Cuban medical professors. "
"The cost of the already mentioned services will amount to $690.5 million over 10 years, a total that includes the medical services provided, calculated at 50% of international prices; the sustainability of these services and the personnel providing them; and the training of a further 312 Haitian doctors in Cuba."
"It is possible to do this."
"Our practical experience confirms it. In fact, this program is already underway and, post-quake, 23 of these primary care health centers, 15 community reference hospitals and 21 rehabilitation rooms are up and running."
[PROLONG APPLAUSE]
Did you give up COMMUNISM for lent lol ? You should try one of those Cadbury eggs that Raul has doned to all Cuban citizens as a jesture of his good will . Next year hes even going to put them in baskets with a 5 pound months supply of rice .
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"Lent" is described as being the 40 days representing the time Jesus spent in desert before beginning his public ministry, where he endured temptation by Satan.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lent
Heartbeat, I've wandered in the desert for 40 years, not 40 days.
As for the rice, most Latin Americans and Caribbeans, looted by US imperialist thieves, wish they had 5 pounds of rice. We must stop imperialist stealing to maintain US living standards.
A cadbury egg is a brand of chocolate manufactured to look like an egg inside and out.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cadbury_eggs
I don't like the sound or the look of brown eggs which you favor.
Do you really like brown eggs?
With out the history or politics of it all that is the cold hard economic facts. Now the pledges and plans of this help is basically an outsider is going to live and work hand in hand with every government official in Haiti to make sure the money is getting spent where the “Donors” want it spent. Now if the DR buys some stock on this whole process they will be able to be in the “Mentor decision maker” status rather than a subcontractor situation.
Belial I know you are going to recycle and repaint this and shoot it back at me because I know this feeds your view.
Think about it.
but the heart of the problem is the problem of the heart , not communism , capitalism or the cadbury egg factory ! Food drives and donations may feed a Dominican family for a week or 2 but only the Love , grace and gospel of Christ can change corrupt lives and governments for all eternity , so in the end , it does not matter if Leo wins again or looses or if Cuba ever opens an Outback steak hOUSE IN HAVANNA , but only this :
''que si confeseras con tu boca que Jesus es el Señor ,y creyeres en tu corazon que Dios le levanto' de los muertos , seras salvo ''. Romanos 10 vs 9.
Have a blessed holiday my friends and may the ressurected Lord and Savior reveal Himself to you all in the power of His glory !
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No pain, no gain.
No sin, no win.
No juice, no boost
It is an inviolable law of mechanics known as no action, no reaction.
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Heartbeat, I hope ... or, better still ... I pray you're not about to go off, like you did on the Jehovah Witnesses. You flogged them until they were skinless.
What a spectacle ... before each blow of the flogging, you quoted a passage from the bible.
When I hear you mention "grace and gospel of Christ can change corrupt lives and governments" and those outback steak houses, I know you're getting ready to flog somebody.
Heartbeak, please drop your whip, we are all penitents without your whip.
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Yes, it feeds my view.
Haiti was a big DR poultry market until bourgeois media in USA blew up a minor bird flu outbreak in the DR, a couple years ago. These outbreaks occur in USA much more frequently than in the DR. The Haitians stopped eating DR birds and eggs and began eating US birds and eggs.
The imperialists goosed the DR.
Venezuela then wanted DR birds and eggs, but US imperialists planted stories in bourgeois media in Venezuela than DR birds and eggs had bird flu. US imperialists kept their Venezuelan market share for poultry products.
Another goosing.
Uniting in the struggle with the Haitian people and gaining support of the progressive countries in the region is the way forward.
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I have thrown barbs at you so I feel I at least owe you the respect to read your post. A good 25% is relevant and the rest is quoted passages of some Socialist propaganda handbook. I promise you if you put out your technical reference and then make your opinion known in one paragraph or less you would get actually more people reading and thinking about what you say
Post got reversed
I am probably as right wing as the come however I do like to listen to all ideas and think logically about what is put before me. With what I see out of the Government here I can see why some populist ideology is tempting to some people.
However I have seen first hand what happens in the developing world when populists take over. If they were not corrupt when they take over they become corrupt soon after.
A good part of the problems in the DR and Haiti can be directly laid at the feet of the US Government and the corporations there. I will acknowledge that. The Cuban government is doing some great things. The medical care around the world, the organic farming to feed the population and so forth but that does not in any way erase the evil he has perpetrated. I have personally had a beer with soldiers in Africa that have fought against rebels armed trained and led by Cubans.
cont
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/africa/8589402.stm
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Some times my views remind me of the same thing that they make you recall.
This time, your view reminds me of those arrogant people, often US troops and murderers, who can change a tire on their car and therefore they believe they must exterminate 2,000,000 innocent Iraqi citizens between 2003 and 2010 to vindicate the lies of Mr. Bush and Mr. Cheney about weapons of mass destruction and about equally false allegations on Iraqi complicity in 9/11.
I still believe reading "scripture written in ancient Greek" better qualifies one to decide whether 2,000,000 totally innocent people should be exterminated than the handy ability to change a car tire, regardless of what degenerates like Bush and Cheney command us to do.
"Gosh it is tough to read all the drivel of Belial," Escott says with exasperation.
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Gosh, try composing it.
Therefore it still is worthless knowlege.
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Abc,
That is such an inspiring, moving, and true story.
Yes, it has its snide slants against the Left that are mandatory for all stories published in the bourgeois media, but in the main it's a wonderful story.
John Garang, during his student days in the USA, was known in a number of left circles.
Nobody knew what to make of him.
Looking back, he was more intuitive (insight) than discursive (reason). This of course is generally good. But there was something of a discursive deficiency in him.
My understanding is most of the Cuban-educated intellectuals of Sudanese origin left Cuba for the Sudan, not Canada for Sudan.
Indeed, most of the Cuban-educated intellectuals who went to Canada are still in Canada, doing menial jobs.
http://www.dominicantoday.com/dr/..../Dominican-youth-to-study-in-Cuba
The DR recipients studied medicine, engineering, physics, veterinary medicine, arts and sports.
The DR officials, at the time, highlighted humble origin of the youth carefully selected in backward DR rural zones and praised the important role of Cuban cooperation in opening up a broad range of opportunities. Some DR rural zones wouldn't have doctors but for Cuban-educated DR doctors.
The first DR medical students to graduate from the Havana´s Latin American School of Medicine returned to DR in late 2005 and early 2006.
Most are doing very ... very well.
In 2007, about 150 DR youth went to Cuba to study medicine.
Quite a few Cuban-educated DR doctors now practice in Haiti after the quake.
I hope he doesn't get me ... again.
The last time, I was barred, the DT told me I was too often off-topic.
Excepting this post, I've consistently quoted either from a DT article [not censored by the DT] or from a non-censored comment under a uncensored DT article.
Four little "0000" separate my comments from the quoted matter to which I responded.
So, the off-topic thing seem specious.
Perhaps, the censor will get me because of a lack of tact.
But in this forum, there is no such thing as a lack of tact.
Almost Mangu,
Just change the channel!
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/201004....la_am_ca/cb_haiti_border_gridlock
Happy Resurrection Sunday to all the followers around the world.
I am however still a little sceptical about the Dominican gov will to accept a develop Haiti next door.
I am hoping senor Fernandez has a better heart than the previous DR leaders.
We will see.
I am however still a little sceptical about the Dominican gov will to accept a develop Haiti next door.
I am hoping senor Fernandez has a better heart than the previous DR leaders.
We will see.
You may not find any eggs under your Uncle Rauls mattress Sunday morning but
the cross and blood of Jesus will find you yet ! '' Dont leave earth without it ''.
Unlike you , not only have I been to your Uncles for a weekend retreat , but I have many Cuban friends who came to this country within the last 10 years and one of them was even a doctor now working at a resort here in Miami . He is making more money parking cars for rich people than he could ever have made as a phsyician in Cuba and needs to earn or borrow 78,000 dollars to complete his 6 month board exam certification to continue practicing medicine here the states .
Very often I have the privilige of picking his brain about the realities of medicine and other social realities about Cuba that you are so ignorant about as you believe everything that your Gastapo leader reports to the world media from his iron podium in Havana.
Yes , Cuba has one of the most advanced medical systems in the world , but only in comparison to other 3rd world countries if you get the drift ! In the Latin Americas , yes , But compared to North America and Europe its way behind .
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100402/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/cb_cuba_religion
the cross and blood of Jesus will find you yet ! '' Dont leave earth without it , '' Dominicanheartbeat preaches.
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As you know, the Nazarene is a divine being and therefore it is immortal or can't die. If it can't die, this ""blood," which you mention, doesn't signify death. If the Nazarene didn't die because of its immortality, you should not brag about his blood.
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Do you also entertain yourself with other fantasies or is this one the only one?
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100402/ap_on_re_la_am_ca/cb_cuba_religion
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Castro reaching out to Nazarene experts on divine beings to urge them to try harder to develop ethical consciousness and activity among the Nazarene faithful shows that the State in Cuba is succeeding, not failing.
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....then again you're Haitian.
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They are not called "doctors" in the USA.
If your friend is happy parking cars for the minimum wage and tips in Miami, then good for him.
This immigrant has to do two things to get a medical license in the USA as an international medical graduate ( an IMG):
(1) Pass the med exam
(2) Get in and complete his residency at a US hospital
Both (1) and (2) are absolutely required.
Most IMGs of Latin American origin fail the exam because the exam is in medical English.
The IMGs who pass the exam find it almost impossible to get into a residency programs at US hospitals, even in Miami.
It's unlikely that he will ever legally practice medicine in the states.
After the quake, MSF flew in some 348 doctors from many countries, adding to 3,060 Haitian and non-Haitian staff MSF already employed in Haiti before the quake.
USA, in third place, sent and has largely withdrawn 550 doctors, and Canada sent 45. The bourgeois media focus mostly on the performance of the 550 US doctors, most of whom have now left Haiti.
While US medical mission grabbed headlines and international aid money, the Cuban and Cuban-educated doctors performed almost three times the medical services than MSF, USA and the Canadian medical missions, all combined.
The Cubans have treated 227,143 patients. MSF treated 54,000. Canada, (handling mostly "non-serious" cases) treated 21,000 patients and USA treated 871 patients, mostly surgeries.
You are correct Antonio,so we are back to square one or even worse!
From: Dominican Republic, 1st SANTIAGO OF THE AMERICAS
Is that what you think the Bible is?
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....then again you're Haitian.
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Haitian or not.
Spotless rhetorics belongs to
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Belial.
Semper fidelis........
From: Dominican Republic, 1st SANTIAGO OF THE AMERICAS
Is that what you think the Bible is?
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....then again you're Haitian.
Enlightment me. What does then again you're haitian mean?
You guys love quoting the bible that preaches tolerance and love for your fellow man. However, you say some of the most vile (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/vile) things about your next door neighbor.
Also, Organized Religion is the biggest scam in the world. Most of you guys know that but just to continue with the lie
The same organized religions have spent millions in Haiti; scamming others I guess, cause there's no people to scam for money in Haiti.
From: Dominican Republic, 1st SANTIAGO OF THE AMERICAS
PATDIAMOND:
The same organized religions have spent millions in Haiti; scamming others I guess, cause there's no people to scam for money in Haiti.
No money in Haiti huh? Please forgive the ignorant. He resorts to these types of behavior because it makes him feel superior. If he learned the origin of religion and how it was spread thruout the world he would remain silent. If he learned how it was spread in this part of the world ie. DR/Haiti he would remain silent.
I have learned certain types don't deserve an answer because they don't know what they're talking about.
Religion does keep some people morals in line. It does give weak minded people a guide to live by. Religion is the opium of the masses. Pat forgive the ignorant. hug him love him like your brother and show him the facts and let him come to his own conclusion.
Organized Religion is the biggest lie.
Know this Belial !
'' Every knee shall bow and every tounge shall confess that Jesus Christ is Lord ''.
This means even you ! I only pray that you do it on this side of eternity.