US cops don't play games... You are in America son

Why do people think that guns are the solution to everything?

chomp,
many of these clowns think that they are in a video game

Luis Sotos family is sorry he lived

gotta love the NYPD! When dealing with thugs they shoot now and ask questions later. The way it should be! Give one to the good guys.

Sorry duplicate comment.

Sure that Luis Soto is not family of Tony "Scarface" Montana?

Loved the last scenes where he took like 9000 bullets and still shouted "wanna f..k with me?

Dominican Mentality

Excuse me, but what was he doing at a "bbq" in the middle of the night with 200 orders disrupting the peace. These "parties" need to stop and if that means that the NYPD has to open fire, well let it be it. This is the kind of occurrences that give dominicans a bad name in NYC. It's embarrassing to hear of stories like these one, and they happen all the time. What's the use of gathering in the middle of the street? Can someone explain me that? It's the stupidest thing I've ever seen.

Police are warning revellers they'll be cracking down on illegal barbecuing and drinking
Posters put up in northern Manhattan by police laid down the law on sidewalk barbecuing, public drinking and selling alcohol from unlicensed stores -
Although Sunday’s parade route goes up Sixth Avenue from 36th to 59th streets, and runs from 2 to 5 p.m., many people congregate in Upper Manhattan afterwards as the area is home to the largest population of Dominican people outside the Dominican Republic.
Pamela Palanque-North, Community Board 12 chair, said the police effort is intended to educate the community on acceptable practices during the event and avoid trouble.
Palanque-North said she didn't know of violent crimes related to the previous parades, but quality of life complaints like cars honking throughout the night and street congestion have been brought to the cops
“The police are taking a more proactive approach “Some of the community doesn’t know what is accepted behavior "

How many would have died here if the same circumstances existed?

Here it is different ,,,when there is no electricity it is much cooler for people to sit together in the street , play some dominoes and have a few Presidente . outside many discos there are also many people taking the fresh air. Occasionally when the police get over officious , some shooting starts and some one dies if they do not heed the police ..but living outside ones home is a very Dominican thing .

There is that old saying "When in Rome, do as the Romans".
In other words, leave all your "ethnic standards" in the place you left and abide by the mores of the society in which you now reside.
Many immigrants fail to realize this advise and end up athwart the leagal system of the place they are in presently.
Each society is different and one should NOT EXPECT that societies acceptance of ones native mores, which are alien to others.
If that doesn't make sense, think in terms of YOUR acceptance of foreigners and their actions in relation to Dominican society.
Accept and obey the mores of the society you live in and you will get along fine.
Deny and oppose those mores and you will find yourself an outcast.

TexasBill

NYC cops need to take a target lessons from Guzman Fermin. The Chief gets the headshot, where they cannot talk back or live to do it again.

One Bullet Per Year in this guys life... Good thing for him that he wasn't old! LOL

TexaBilly

I hear what you say but how can a person behave by the norms of a society if they don't know it. Your comment has more power if directed at first, second and third generation sons of immigrants.

Was he a hip hop Dominican-york??? Those guys are clowns for wearing timberland boots, baggy clothes, and other winter clothers in DR heat!

I hope Dominicans on the island stop copying them

Holy cow!
Is the NYPD using standard pressure FMJ?
Ricochet? Overpenetration? Anyone? Anyone?
Aside from which, it would also explain their reputation for needing dozens of rounds to bring down a perp.
In 9x19mm, I roll with 147 gr. JHP at standard pressure, and +p for anything lighter than that.
I'd strongly recommend you do likewise.

bad,
cops need to protect themselves and send the messege at the same time.. All of the wannabees in that area heard all of the bullets...

The big cities have spots that are out of control

CarlosFranco;

What you say is correct, as far as you take it.
If the people who wish to migrte to another country would take the time and make the effort to. at least, try and understand the society they wish to place themselves in, then they would realize that the mores of the society they are leaving is alien to the one they hope to assimilate. In studying the society they are going to, they would realize those differences and would find it much easier to assimilate, don't you think?
We can rationalize all we want to, but in the final analysis it behooves us to accept that we are the ones under the microscope, being viewed askance and with suspicion as to whether or not we are acceptable in our new society.
Parents are the controlling factor within the faqmilial mileau andare the guides to the future. The imposition of simple discipline to the actions and the guidance of our childresn thoughts are the responsibility we can't ignore, though many do.

TexasBill

Woah god must've kept him alive for a reason...

Too dumb to die.

"five police agents who confronted him after he gunned down Luis Soto."

So this waste of life has shot somebody and there are still people questioning the actions of the police?
I am not the type who loves all cops but the only problem I see here is that NYC Cops, (Like all New Yorkers) are terrible shots.

TexasBill.

Right on the money. That applies to all people migrating to the USA who come around waving their flags and forcing the standards of living they are trying to supposedly leave behind. Assimilate, educate, respect, doesnt mean you have to forget who you are and where you come from.

As a Dominican I am embarrassed by people like this ,but just like another person posted here this is part of the US ghetto mentality and many Dominicans in the US copy the most backwards elements in the country instead of trying to progress. Most of these people listen to rap "music" and dress like hoodlums so why are people shocked when this happens....

It's bad enough to bring our own bad habits from DR ...it is much worse to adopt bad habits from the lower crust of US society!

BTW ,I support the NYPD 100% ,they need to control people like this and they need more time on the target range!!....

If it were here, the police would report a suicide attempt.

These cops need some shooting range time.

jesus 23 bullets what kind of guns they use bb guns that parasite is still alive , nypd cops are notorious for using excessive force I guess not to much has changed is the amadu diallo fiasco.

Do you know why he survived 23 bullets.....they all hit him in the head.

Nope. 22 bullets went through the baggy pants and army jacket, only one hit the skinny littly junky.

TB, if Dominicans didn't live in New York this city would still have such crimes and similiar incidents. For you to make allegations that such incidents are the net result of Dominican immigration is disingeneous at best. But then again I wouldn't expect some Texan to know a damn thing about New York City.

Cibby no need to get defensive .....the two guys were celebrating Dominican Day in the Republic of Washington Heights and they were Dominican ......Although Sunday’s parade route goes up Sixth Avenue from 36th to 59th streets, and runs from 2 to 5 p.m., many people congregate in Upper Manhattan afterwards as the area is home to the largest population of Dominican people outside the Dominican Republic.
Pamela Palanque-North, Community Board 12 chair, said the police effort is intended to educate the community on acceptable practices during the event and avoid trouble.
Palanque-North said she didn't know of violent crimes related to the previous parades, but quality of life complaints like cars honking throughout the night and street congestion have been brought to the cops
“The police are taking a more proactive approach “Some of the community doesn’t know what is accepted behavior "

Cibby you probably went to the shore with the Guidos

cibaeno75;

If you would please re-read my post, you would find that what I was refering to applies to ALL PERSONS who imigrate to another country--NOT JUST DOMINICANS!~!!
If you can't derive that simple truth from my post, go back to school and learn to interpret the language you are reading in the context applied.
You have an unholy habit of reading what you want to into the posts on these pages and if you cn't see the error of your ways of interpreting simple statements, I suggest you "SILENTLY FOLD YOUR TENT AND STEAL AWAY INTO THE NIGHT"!!!
Now, if that shoe doesn't fit, o r if it pinches, try a different size. Maybe then you'll be more comfortable.
You are "rationalizing the truth away" and "can't see the forest for the trees".
If my statements are offensive to you, then you might re-read yours to me and decide if I am justified or not.
People who avoid the truth of a matter with rationalized excuses, only dilude themselves and no-one else.

TexasBill

23 bullets??? That must be a world record.

TB, I call a spade a spade and sometimes the spade gets offended. Case in point.

Written by: julay, 9 Aug 2010 11:42 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Excuse me, but what was he doing at a "bbq" in the middle of the night with 200 orders disrupting the peace. These "parties" need to stop and if that means that the NYPD has to open fire, well let it be it. This is the kind of occurrences that give dominicans a bad name in NYC. It's embarrassing to hear of stories like these one, and they happen all the time. What's the use of gathering in the middle of the street? Can someone explain me that? It's the stupidest thing I've ever seen
GREAT COMMENT.....
YES U ARE CORRECT.... YES THEY GIVE ALL DOMINICANS A BAD NAME TO SAY THE LEST.. JUST WAIT UNTIL THE SCHOOLS OPEN AND THE STUDENTS FILL THE TRAINS GOING HOME FROM SCHOOL. MAN ITS SOMETHING TO SEE . MAN ITS THE WORST THAT COMES OUT FROM THESE STUDENTS.

Written by: delgadoMASS, 10 Aug 2010 3:20 PM
From: United States, new england mass.
23 bullets??? That must be a world record.
THINK THEY SHOULD HAVE CUT HIS THROAT.AND SAVE THE BULLETS.

Stop Everyone!!!

Read the NY Post report of this.

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/loca....in_by_cops_GH23YDKbtCTGcKtFcyfEcK

Angel Alvarez got into a fight with Luis Soto who had a gun in his belt. The gun fell out while Alvarez was whupping his azz and Alvarez picked it up, cops saw the gun and went crazy firing 40 times, hitting Alvarez 23 times, each other and (stray bullet) killing Soto who was laying there helpless from the azz whupping he took. Then the cops tried to lie about what happened.

NYPD is a pack of rabid dogs. This story is proof.

pleasuretour..
with nyour comment below.

nypd is a pack of rabid dogs. this story is proof.

forget the new york post and their story...
if u want to really see rabid dogs just take a long good look at the police in santiago, santo domingo, pop, ect! when u will really see men that are lower they any dog.

if i saw a gun in a pack of wild men man i would shoot 1,000 bullets not 23

"BANG!!"
(x40)

"Put the gun on the ground"

"Oh snap. We shot three of us and the who was laying there knocked out"

"Don't worry about it. They shot each othe (wink)"

Any questions?

Of course cops in SD and Santiago are crooked, murderous and conniving thieves but NYC is NOT a 3rd World country

just got some news man i really upset now with the new york city police dept.

did u know that angel alvarez and luis soto
where going to college at harvard in a few months to study microbiology?
i cant believe the police would shoot at these nice educated fellows who where just trying to have some fun in the srtees before they where going to enter harvard this fall.
shame on them the police..

<<just got some news man i really upset now with the new york city police dept.>>

There's 3 NYPD that also got hit in the ALL POLICE crossfire. I bet they're pretty upset as well.

Don't miss the point

It shouldn't be open season on Dominicans or anyone else in NYC or Santo Domingo or anywhere else. I don't care whether they're college students or drug dealers.

They have the right to due process of law like everyone else.

I can't believe some of you people. Take the time to find the truth before manking your mind up that these kids deserved to be executed in the streets of Harlem by the NYPD.

cibeano75;

You may think you are calling a "spade a spade", but in reality your paranoia and defensiveness is causing you to ignore the obvious.
FYI, my initial statement is based on generalization and was/is not intentionally directed at any particular ethnic group.
In fact, the statement could well describe Americans who immigrate to other lands.
You seem to haqve a "hard on" for Americans in particular, judging from your posts in the past on subjects and posts dealing with that ethnic (?) group.
Is that your problem, or do you just always jump to conclusions of your own making?
I would suggest the latter.
As to a "spade being a spade", you seem to have a tendency to call them a "bloody shovel". Does it make you feel better?

TexasBill

TB, your always hiding behind righteous indignation and resorting to thinly veiled attacks afterwards. Whatever. get your kicks you old goat. The days when you were an actual man and were capable of adressing someone such as myself as man have long passed so enjoy the bravado that this medium gives you.

No,cibneo75, I don't staqnd on "righteous indignation" in the least, nor resort to "thinly veiled attacks afterwards", as you have put it. I resort to aqn outright attack against stupidity, fallacious reasoning, misquoted allegations, and generally say it like it is.
Neither do I "get my kicks" out of debating with ignorant synchophants (note the misspelled words, also, you young whippersnapper), both today and in my days of "being a man", nor do I seek, from one such as you, any accolades as to my commentaries, since you have proven that you only have the ability to assume an attitude of superiority and condesention to those whom you would like 'to put in their place".
Since I am well aware of what my place is, and I do not consider you to be other than one who has his nose in the air in deqaling with others, I'll just leave you to look in the mirror and admire yourself over your disillushionments.
Ciao

TexasBill

the police in uniform alfredo vargas is dominican,he tried to stop the fight ,but alvarez still gunned down luis soto and after that alvarez shoot alfredo vargas.

Bill dont be so hard on cibby .....write it off to lack of humility , youthful exuberance ....and many hang ups and a big head .....everyone likes a little head

guys i reside here in new york and the word on the streets is that this guy did not have a gun on him. according to the new york daily news, alvarez and soto were fist fighting over a previous beef when they were surrounded by cop trying to brake up the fight, a shot went off from an undisclose location and the police didnt stop to ask , they responded like cowboys shooting up the whole block. The shooting took place in harlem with mostly a black neiborhood followed by the heights which is where the the dominican community reside, the police dont bother to ask questions in these parts of nyc, they shoot.

Blutarsky;

OK, will do and thanks.

TexasBill

PRIMOS PRIMOS WAKE The European is playing you and you fell for it.....They did the same thing to our kids with Hip Hop....and the life style of money women and and YAK.......no education just rap and make money...........and when the dominicans come to the us and look and act like the american Blk..in the police eye we all our negros they don't know whos american or Dominicans we just get the same treatment....but we just don't see the trap they laid out and change coarse