Tripoli.- As rebels fought a desperate battle with die-hard regime loyalists for
control of the Libyan capital Tripoli, governments around the world
urged strongman Muammar Gaddafi to end the bloodshed and surrender.
US President Barack Obama led the calls for Gaddafi to relinquish power
after six months of rebellion and NATO bombings culminated in a
lightning rebel advance into the heart of Tripoli over the weekend.
"The surest way for the bloodshed to end is simple: Muammar Gaddafi and
his regime need to recognize that their rule has come to an end," Obama
said in a statement, according to Reuters.
"Gaddafi needs to acknowledge the reality that he no longer controls Libya. He needs to relinquish power once and for all."
French President Nicolas Sarkozy praised the bravery of the rebels and promised them the continuing
support of the French government, one of the main instigators of the
NATO intervention in Libya under a UN mandate to protect civilians.
"At the moment when decisive events are taking place in the Tripoli
region, in Tripoli itself, and elsewhere in Libya, the president salutes
the courage of the rebel fighters and of the Libyan people who are
rising up," Sarkozy's office said, Reuters reported.
"He assures them once more of the full support of France to achieve the
liberation of their country from oppression and dictatorship."
British Prime Minister David Cameron, another staunch backer of the NATO air campaign which helped the
rag-tag rebel forces by destroying Gaddafi's military assets, cut short a
break in Cornwall to attend a National Security Council meeting in
London.
"It is clear from the scenes we are witnessing in Tripoli that the end
is near for Gaddafi," a statement from his Downing Street office said,
according to AFP.
"He has committed appalling crimes against the people of Libya and he
must go now to avoid any further suffering for his own people."
The European Union said it was planning for a post-Gaddafi Libya and urged the colonel to leave "without further delay."
"We seem to be witnessing the last moments of the Gaddafi regime and we call on Gaddafi to step down without further delay and avoid further bloodshed," EU foreign affairs spokesman Michael Mann said, as reported by Reuters.
NATO Secretary General Anders Fogh Rasmussen said Gaddafi's regime was crumbling and his defeat was only a matter of time.
"The sooner Gaddafi realizes that he cannot win the battle against his
own people, the better - so that the Libyan people can be spared further
bloodshed and suffering," he said, according to Al Jazeera.
Gaddafi's whereabouts were unknown but loyalist forces including tanks
and snipers are continuing to battle rebels in pockets of the capital,
according to various media reports.
Even as rebels swarmed into Tripoli on Sunday and were met by jubilant
residents, the defiant colonel broadcast messages telling his forces to
crush the "rats" and traitors.
Written by: matador, 22 Aug 2011 7:46 AM
From: United States, www.brugal-ron.com/home.php
This guys is an Idiot.
From: Dominican Republic, No Spin Zone
Your time is up Kadaffi Duck
Written by: riosm, 22 Aug 2011 11:56 AM
From: United States
Boy GOOD THING LF did not visit, invite, deposit assets, take pictures nor publicly support this clown.....as they say your judged by the company one makes, keeps and associates with.
From: Dominican Republic, Santiago
I'm letting my hair grow ( and I will not brush it) as a show of solidarity for Muammar....
From: Dominican Republic, Cabrera
LF should be watching this in trepidation. This is an example of what can happen when the people say "enough is enough".
Written by: Yucahu, 22 Aug 2011 1:37 PM
From: United States, Miami
This will be remembered as the greatest betrayal and cowardly act of the 21st century.
Libya has been destroyed,
reduced to rubble,
it's people murdered from the air.
It's infrastructure destroyed.
It's money stolen.
A peaceful people, radicalized and traumatized by an unneccessary war.
Oil production disrupted, 3 YEARS until it will finally be normalized.
Al Fatah University Destroyed.
Libya was number one in Africa, as far as GDP, Education, housing.
Debt levels...NEARLY NONEXISTANT.
Well paved roads.
Nearly FREE housing.
FREE HEALTHCARE.
POWER-ELECTRICTY FOR EVERYBODY.
FREE UNIVERSITY EDUCATION FOR EVERYBODY.
An ally on the war on terror, the FIRST muslim country to emit an arrest warrant against Bin Laden.
Why did NATO declare war on this country?
If this country was so bad, and this man so evil why aren't other dictators falling like Dominoes.
Pathetic...
Written by: Yucahu, 22 Aug 2011 1:39 PM
From: United States, Miami
If LF provided half of what Gaddafi offered, this country would declare him a GOD...
From: Dominican Republic, vieja Santo Domingo
Yucahu.. the reports from all sources say that there had been no education system in place for more than 4o years and there has been no money spent on roads ..all the military equipmentthey bought from the Russians had fallen apart and there were no spare parts .Like the leaders in Egypt , the Gadaffi family have a fortune in Switzland ,Your views are quite the opposite even to those of the former foreignminister now in London
From: Dominican Republic, No Spin Zone
What is the truth ?.......Yucahu you are the first person I have ever met that said these positive things about Kadaffi Duck .....let the propaganda begin !
Written by: Grosero, 22 Aug 2011 10:19 PM
From: United States
Another one bites the dust
Another one bites the dust
And another one gone and another one gone
Another one bites the dust hey
Written by: riosm, 23 Aug 2011 12:58 AM
From: United States
lockerbe !
Written by: RoyStone, 23 Aug 2011 1:01 AM
From: Australia
So what happens after Gaddafi? Will it become another fundamentalist Islamic state? One cruel, totalitarian dictatorship to another? I'll put money on it!
Written by: riosm, 23 Aug 2011 1:19 AM
From: United States
RoyStone
I agree.....another Iraq / Afghanistan in the making ?
First victory then comes celebration with it comes a new power vacuum created.......then all hell breaks lose with suicide bombings and mass killing of civilians then the icing on the cake......the U.S will get the blame as always and Israel takes the blunt of the aggression.
Hamas created a cease fire [regrouping] on Israel ? Meaning Hamas by this action unwillingly admits it controls the aggression for the destruction of Israel, only next time with many more Arab nations against Israel.
Just think Iran is getting closer to building a nuke.
"Arab spring" turned into Arab fall / hell hole.
Written by: RoyStone, 23 Aug 2011 2:20 AM
From: Australia
riosm,
unfortunately overt fundamentalist Islamic insurgence is not limited to the Middle Eastern Arabic countries. Then there is "moderate" Islam - read covert fundamentalist Islam that has not reached critical mass .... yet.
Meanwhile moderate Christianity gives way to fundamentalist Evangelism ... The New (Nuke?) Dark Ages Beginith!
From: Dominican Republic, No Spin Zone
Nuke Em !
From: Australia, melbourne
Good post Yucahu. You sound like a rare bright spark. Have you looked at the Talmud? Not the sanitised version (they are clever). This was written AD by the controllers of this hell called earth and if anyone should condem the Koran ask if they have read this Bible of the AshkenNAZI fake Jews (one rules the DR and all leaders are controlled by them). This filth promotes paedophilia and claim Christ burns in excrement in hell. It is all there.Most fools who post here would not have a clue what I am on about.( A thousand Arabs is worth one Jewish toenail.)
Yes Lybia sounded like a great place.
Re NUKES , we have the equivalent of over one thousand going off in Japan (MOX) , exposed weapon grade material, non cooled, that will go up the food chain and kill us all. PlusJapan is CONSTANTLY HAARPed by Ashkenazi controlled devils like Rockefellar and co.
We are all living dead (but they have bunkers and think they will reincarnate and have stores of hybrid seeds).
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Written by: Nehesy, 23 Aug 2011 6:49 AM
From: France, Paris
I don't think that muslims should receive any lesson from the west :
> Irak has been attacked, sacked, raped, tortured by a so-called civilization force, all of this based on huge lies (we're still waiting for the massive destructive weapons). The true cause = OIL
> Afghanistan has been attacked because some men leaving in caves (Talibans) are the supposed organizer of the 09/11 attacks , another big lie. The true cause = Drug Traffick (Heroine)
> In Australia, a genocide has been organized against the true natives (called aboriginals) and the oppressors are "christians" not muslims
> These same christians killed, kidnapped, raped, sacked America ( Nth, Sth, East, West) only because of greed and they worshipped Gold and wealth ( the idols of satan)
> These same christians did the same in Africa and are still continuing to rob this continent (gold, diamonds, coltan, oil etc)
Please watch yourself before speaking of muslims...
Written by: generoso, 23 Aug 2011 8:49 AM
From: United States, Quisqueya
Nehesy the "most learned", prophetic mental giant from Chad, speaks his usual garbage talk.
From: Dominican Republic, No Spin Zone
Send for the attendants some one has over medicated the patients
Written by: Nehesy, 23 Aug 2011 9:33 AM
From: France, Paris
Hitler, Mussolini, Napoleon, Cristopher Colombus were all fundamentalists muslims everydody knows that.
Muslims burned and killed the Jews during the Inquisition in Europe and Spain
Who dropped two H bombs on civilians during WWII in Hiroshima and Nagasaki ? Once again these bad Muslims !
Francisco Roldan who Raped Guarionex's wife was also a bad , perverse muslim
Muslims also enslaved and wiped out the Tainos in Ayiti, Borinquen, Cuba and Jamaica, yeah that was the bad muslims who did all this mess !
Muslims also, wiped out the Tasmanians
Mankind should rid of them....
Written by: Nehesy, 23 Aug 2011 9:40 AM
From: France, Paris
Khaddafi is a dictator but OTAN and the western world should focuse on their own "democracy", which is a democracy for the rich and the top richest families/multinationals, the remaining of the population are the virtuous slaves of this same system which is built to make these families more richer.
Written by: generoso, 23 Aug 2011 11:07 AM
From: United States, Quisqueya
Behold!. Nehesy the Prophet from Chad has spoken!
Careful or he might edict a fatwa condemning all you Christian infidels and crusaders!
Written by: Nehesy, 23 Aug 2011 12:12 PM
From: France, Paris
Christians vs Muslims ?
There is a French proverb which says : "balaies devant ta porte avant de balayer devant celle des autres" or in english "sweep in front of your door before sweeping in front of that of the others"
Christians have many sweeping to do before calling anybody fundamentalists. The bests reports of these mischieves all over the world had been collected by a Christian priests :
"Colonization and Christianity: a popular history of the treatment of the natives by the Europeans in all their colonies " by William Howitt
http://www.amazon.com/Colonizatio....TF8&qid=1314115177&sr=1-1Fray Bartholomé Las Casas
http://www.amazon.com/Short-Accou....TF8&qid=1314115457&sr=1-1Written by: RoyStone, 23 Aug 2011 6:52 PM
From: Australia
Christian atrocities do not justify Muslim atrocities.
Written by: riosm, 23 Aug 2011 8:21 PM
From: United States
RoyStone,
Atrocities in the last 2000 years were committed by men in the name of God by mans own doing.
Muslim atrocities are committed by men in the name of Allah to justify favor with God again by mans own doing.
Man in his sinful nature will always use God as an excuse to justify atrocities.
Which begs the question....do we really serve the same God or man's own twisted understanding of God to benefit man.
No one today can not be held accountable from atrocities committed 50, 100, 500 years ago, yet man will always find an excuse to justify their actions which always results in atrocities.
I'm reminded "Vengeance is mine says the lord".
Written by: RoyStone, 23 Aug 2011 8:42 PM
From: Australia
Man's atrocities are puny compared to Gods - that is if he exists - which he doesn't. Created by the powerful to control the stupid.
Written by: riosm, 23 Aug 2011 9:50 PM
From: United States
In the last 100 years....do the math.
"Created by the powerful to control the stupid" powerful meaning the rich God does not value worldly possessions over souls mans does, "stupid" I call them LOST who follow your ideology.
Funny always on the offense...a sign of weakness too me.
Written by: RoyStone, 24 Aug 2011 1:37 AM
From: Australia
The math? Let's see ... even if you count God-inspired atrocities (like the Holocaust, 9/11, Nigerian witch-hunts, KKK, banning condoms in AIDS-ravaged countries, forbidding blood-transfusions and disease-inoculation, etc.) as man's, as well as two world-wars etc. still nothing compared to acts of God - earthquakes, tsunamis, hurricanes, epidemics, droughts and floods.
As to the billions collected from the poor and gullible, the churches don't forward the money on to Jesus I'm sure. Not my "ideology" - it's called "facing reality".
Written by: Nehesy, 24 Aug 2011 10:42 AM
From: France, Paris
Muslim atrocities ?
Any atrocity wether it is done by Mulisms, Christians Jews, or atheists is not justified and has to be comdemned. In Islam IT IS FORBIDDEN to kill except to protect yourself or your family (case of self defense)
Suicide bombers are cowards !!!
But since 09/11 muslims have been the target of all accusations.
Since 09/11 who suffered most from atrocities ? How many civilians died in Afghanistan , and Irak ?
Many families in the USA are asking for a new commission to investigate 09/11, cause surely the cavemen called Taliban are not able to organize such a "coup d'état". How many of you knows that 09/11 hides one of the biggest capital markets fraud?
Many bankers bought Put Options in irregular numbers.
One thing is sure though Christians should not preach about atrocities ( millions of jews in WWII, Native Indians, Africans, Aboriginals, Tasmanians) ...
From: Germany, Stuttgart
I've always thought that Ghadaffi looks like the Arab Lionel Richie.....
Written by: riosm, 24 Aug 2011 1:44 PM
From: United States
I willing to bet he'll move in with Nehsey in "viva la France" and live happily ever after.
From: Dominican Republic, No Spin Zone
where is Kadaffi Ducks defender abc the eurowanker .....he is conspicuous by his absence
Written by: riosm, 24 Aug 2011 2:42 PM
From: United States
LOtoLoud He's probably hiding out at abc's house right now in the United Wild Kingdom with Nehesy as his personal body guard soon heading to France.
Written by: RoyStone, 24 Aug 2011 8:31 PM
From: Australia
According to Nehesy,
"In Islam IT IS FORBIDDEN to kill except to protect yourself or your family (case of self defense)"
According to the Koran,
"Fighting is obligatory for you, much as you dislike it." (Surah 2:216)
"Slay them wherever you find them...Idolatry is worse than carnage...Fight against them until idolatry is no more and God's religion reigns supreme." (Surah 2:190-)
"Seek out your enemies relentlessly." (Surah 4:103-)
Make war on them until idolatry shall cease and God's religion shall reign supreme." (Surah 8:36-)
"If you do not fight, He will punish you sternly, and replace you by other men." (Surah 9:37-)
"Prophet make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal rigorously with them. Hell shall be their home." (Surah 9:73)
"Believers, make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Deal firmly with them." (Surah 9:121-)
Written by: riosm, 24 Aug 2011 8:54 PM
From: United States
RoyStone,
LOL my friend arm yourself for protection....I think man's non belief in God [infidels] and man's science which rules out an creator is included.
Written by: Nehesy, 25 Aug 2011 5:37 AM
From: France, Paris
Roy Stone
1st of all : the english jailbirds ( whom the US used to receive until 1776) genocided the aboriginals natives of Australia
They're discriminated, killed and parked like animals. Muslims have nothing to do on this...
2nd : The verses you posted are out of scope
- Having in mind that Qu'ran was revealed in the 7th century in ARABIA
- All these verses referred to the war between Arabs new muslims and the Arabs Idolaters
- You selected what you want to show up a bad view of islam...
1st muslims were persecuted (killed, tortured by Arabs) and even took refuge in Ethiopia...They did not fight. These verses were revealed to encourage them to fight back.
You can consult any Qu'ran Tafsir ( Quturbi, Ibn Kathir) to find out about the interpretation of thse verses.
Muslims spent 700 years in Spain, Christians and Jews lived freely their religion ( a tax was imposed though).
Written by: Nehesy, 25 Aug 2011 5:56 AM
From: France, Paris
The full verse Surah 2:190 and not the Roy Stone oriented selection
"Fight in the cause of God those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for God loves not transgressors. And slay them wherever you catch them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter... But if they cease, God is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful... If they cease, let there be no hostility except to those who practice oppression" (2:190-193)
As said it's ONLY self defense :
If you pick up sentences in any book without their context and scope , then you can do any interpretation.
It's also true for the bible where many references to war can be also found against non believers.
Christians used such verses and interpret them for their own cause (wealth) to rob , kill, enslave in every part of the world (america, australia , africa, asia, europe, caribbeans)
Please sweep in front of your doors...
Written by: RoyStone, 25 Aug 2011 6:33 AM
From: Australia
Nehesy,
I am not an advocate of the Bible either - true, Christianity is also responsible for massive atrocities. Christians also make the same excuses for the incitement to evil in their book. Perhaps as a Muslim you can explain to us how you justify mutilating women and chopping children's hands off for steeling?
Written by: Nehesy, 25 Aug 2011 7:38 AM
From: France, Paris
Roystone,
I (we) did not write the Bible (Ancient and New Testament) or the Qu'ran,
> Hundreds years ago before the muslims, Adultery MARRIED women ( and men) would be stoned to death it's in the old testament
> Jesus (peace be upon him) himself saved a woman from stoning at his time. Cause any men is no free from sins
> Homosexuality is also forbidden in all of these books.
> In Shariah (Islamic law) :
A married woman and MAN , who is caught doing adultery (if 4 witnesses) is stoned to death...like in the Judaic Law
A woman or man (not married), caught for the same event receives (after testimony) 100 lashes
> For Stealing
- A man who steals : his hand is cut
- For the children it should not be done : they can't support themselves.
I know that it's done in Saudi Arabia . The king family members being one of the biggest perverts,and drunkards of this world , HYPOCRITES
Written by: Nehesy, 25 Aug 2011 7:45 AM
From: France, Paris
My point of view if a child or a woman is caught stealing : they should not be mutilated
- They're hungry
- They can't support themselves
- The community MUST support them : each practising muslims pays 2.5 % of his global savings each year in order to help people of his community or others (poors, homeless). It's the ZAKAT and one of the pillar of muslim's faith.
This is why in some parts of the muslim world everybody is "rich" like in Brunei. But many so-called muslims are greedy as hell, like Saddam, Hosni Mubarak, the last president of Tunisia, Bashar El Hassad etc, etc
They keep all the wealth for themselves which against islam
Written by: RoyStone, 25 Aug 2011 7:50 AM
From: Australia
Nehesy,
Judaic, Sharia and Canonical Laws are all barbaric, unjust and ineffective. Secular law based on sound humanitarian principles is vastly superior. Unfortunately this will never be universal as there is a general trend towards fundamentalism (Jewish, Christian and Islamic) pushing the world into another Dark Ages, this time with nukes.
Written by: Yucahu, 26 Aug 2011 11:54 AM
From: United States, Miami
I am NOT the only person who speaks in favor of the government in Libya. The government in Libya worked for the Libyan people. It worked for Africa and in it's final years was a force for good. The only reason these rebels were able to organize at all is because of the climate of tolerance and openness that had been fostered.
The roads are paved.
Electricity works.
Healthcare is FREE and availabe to ALL.
The services from the governement and Nationalized.
The people reciece multiple forms of assistance that are only DREAMED of in the western world.
The Koran and state are separate.
Freedom of belief is respected.
The government openly apologized for past excesses.
AFRICANS, EUROPEANS, ASIANS, flocked to Libya to work and enjoy the benefits of the government.
Women can drive and have many opportunities for advancement.
Now a Neo-liberal government or an Islamic state will come in.
The government in DR is neo-liberal and has sold off and privatized many of it's servic
Written by: Yucahu, 26 Aug 2011 12:06 PM
From: United States, Miami
Gaddafi was an easy target he looked like a cross dresser. He rambled and spoke to much making people think he was crazy.
A crazy man wouldn't last 40 years in power of outlast NATO.
He doesn't hear voices in his head and he is a devout muslim, but that doesn't steer his way of thinking or his passions.
He was guilty of excesses in the past. However we have to focus on the last few years of reform and openness.
The sources that want him gone, demonize and detract from him.
Aspersions and denigrating comments are the order of the day when it comes to mentioning anything about Libya or the government. The legitimate government.
The weapons were old and out of date because they didn't need them. They were no longer in the business of making war and violence.
Libya was like the Switzerland of Africa. Rich, prosperous and peaceful. The poorest Black African could go their and with what he earned he could send money home and support his family. Oh yeah Gaddafi was evil
Written by: RoyStone, 26 Aug 2011 12:07 PM
From: Australia
Yucahu,
Lybia was able to provide more for its citizens for one reason - massive oil revenue.
I hope you are wrong about Lybia becoming an Islamic Deocracy however I fear you are right. There is a move towards Islamic fundamentalism in the Middle East and towards Christian fundamentalism (Evangelism) in USA, Latin America and the Caribbean.
Written by: Yucahu, 26 Aug 2011 12:09 PM
From: United States, Miami
Bluto can I just call you Bruto, or Brutarsky? Stop being such a pariguayo and a pendejo.
From: Dominican Republic, No Spin Zone
Yuca yo soy Lambon como tu
Written by: Yucahu, 26 Aug 2011 12:16 PM
From: United States, Miami
The people who the USA supports or is supporting right now are all either islamists, CIA hacks or mercenaries or former government defectors.
The Jalil guy he is a salafist and that is very different from the orientation of Gaddafi who is a sufi. Lybia already is an islamic republic. Islam is the prime mover, it's just a moderate form of islam called sufism. Read about it, it's beautiful. It's called the science of repairing the broken heart.
A broken heart is the most painful of wounds.
However what is at issue is that millions support the legitimate government of Libya.
NATO supported disaffected trouble makers, illegitimate upstarts. They had been arming these people ever since the end of 2010 and were just ready for the opportunity to pounce and boom.
Responsibility to Protect
Right to Plunder.
Obama what have you done?
Written by: Yucahu, 26 Aug 2011 12:17 PM
From: United States, Miami
ay conho!!!
Written by: Yucahu, 26 Aug 2011 12:17 PM
From: United States, Miami
Yo soy un Lambon, pero tu eres un maldtito LamboNAZO!!!!!!
Written by: Nehesy, 29 Aug 2011 7:22 AM
From: France, Paris
Yucahu,
100 % agree, but don't forget that 98% are dormant ...
Lybians would tell to all these guys that many Al Qaida soldiers are within the "Liberation" forces or "Libyan Rebels"...And they fight hand to hand with NATO forces...
Don't forget also that Obama is also a puppet :
- Bankers need to loan money to governments for wars, public debt, industries : war being the most lucrative business (WWI, WWII made the Bankers more richer...)
- The Militaro Complex Industry (MCI) need to sell his outputs (missiles, guns, bombs) to the US states : Vietnam, Irak 1990, Irak 2003, Afghanistan 2001==> The MCI NEED wars
- Obama has been elected with wall street money, how can we expect that politicians follow up the people wishes ? It's impossible.
- Obama a former social worker of chicago did not have a background like the Kennedys to make himself the president of the USA. He is the "McDonald Manager" put in place by those (true powers) who rule the US.
Written by: riosm, 29 Aug 2011 9:03 AM
From: United States
Nehesy,
And to think of the U.S forces during WW2 would have not saved your A$$ !
France does the same SH&% only you ignore reality.
Written by: Nehesy, 31 Aug 2011 7:24 AM
From: France, Paris
Riosm,
French A$$ has been saved by :
- African soldiers ( North Africans and Black Africans) being 95 % of the French forces who liberated south of France
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7984436.stm- US soldiers
- English soldiers : It's Churchill who financed the french resistance groups with the SOE
As US, France is also an imperialist country (specially in Africa) nobody said something different
French soldiers of WWII were cowards...
Written by: riosm, 31 Aug 2011 8:42 AM
From: United States
They still are.....I think I see it repeating don't you ? Nothing like in the name of liberation come join us....you'll do the fighting [French foreign legion, we take criminals you name it, 7 years of service, guaranteed free citizenship] for us.
Make other's die for your cause then it's....."Viva la France" the french way.
Written by: Nehesy, 31 Aug 2011 10:25 AM
From: France, Paris
Riosm you have a problem with French people ?
French army have foreign criminals in the legion that's true, US army uses the Blacks and Latinos in Irak and Afghanistan wars.
In WWII, AAs and Latinos were discriminated and segregated and part of the same regiment(Buffalo Soldier who fought in Italy)
Written by: riosm, 31 Aug 2011 11:10 AM
From: United States
Nehesy,
Nope !
But it does sound like you have a problem with the U.S.
The U.S Army [C.I.D, F.B.I] carefully screens for criminals, drug users, undesirables and others which may pose a threat both during and after training.
I can see the direction [conquering through division] your headed with this....The U.S Armed forces since the mid 1970's is all volunteer, our colors / nationalities are a reflection of America's fighting force.
WW2 you forgot the Tuskegee air men, Texas buddy platoon, 442nd, 100 Inf., etc..etc.. still the U.S overcame...and those Buffalo Soldier's [3rd A] served regardless and it served to strengthen America, America is a Country of nations.
Good thing we don't bring up Frances history I say in the last.....600 years.
Do your self a favor....look up the % of U.S Soldiers K.I.A in Iraq & Afghanistan by color it may shock you and disrupt your way of thinking.
Written by: Nehesy, 31 Aug 2011 12:28 PM
From: France, Paris
Riosm,
I'm a third generation French , my grandfather fought on the right side : he was not among those who collaborated with the Germans by delivering jews or by killing american soldiers at Omaha Beach ( La Milice)
French are despised , and regarded as cowards in germany, UK and US. I already know that.
I don't have a problem with the US people, but the US Institutions who preach for their own church : spread imperialism...
US supported all the Dictators in this world (even Trujillo). Saddam was their man during Iran/Irak war until they hanged like a dog.
Ben Laden was also their man (links Bush/Ben Laden families, knowing that Bush sr directed CIA and became president) . Many arab princes of EAU who finance the terrorist groups work with the US institutions : they own high tech companies and have FBI or the white house as clients.
US Institutions (CIA, NSA, FBI etc) are a bunch of criminal hypocrites , they're not better than Khadafi or Pinochet..
Written by: riosm, 31 Aug 2011 2:13 PM
From: United States
Nehesy,
Hats off to your Grandfather. Mostly all Government's are despised but not the people.
Every Country is guilty of Imperialism in one form or another, we should also remember we have no control of the past therefore we can not be held accountable.....only the future.
OBL is not news to me, heck we hailed, armed and trained him, the biggest threat then was U.S.S.R....like always friends today are most likely enemy's of tomorrow that is......when the interest turns.
Trujillo, Saddam and all dictators of the world have one thing in common, a never ending thirst for ........POWER.
Man's evil nature never ceases to amaze me.
It all sounds like the NWO to me.
Thanks for sharing.
Written by: Nehesy, 1 Sep 2011 11:26 AM
From: France, Paris
Riosm,
100% agree, we have the same evil power/group in mind : NWO
Libya has been destroyed,
reduced to rubble,
it's people murdered from the air.
It's infrastructure destroyed.
It's money stolen.
A peaceful people, radicalized and traumatized by an unneccessary war.
Oil production disrupted, 3 YEARS until it will finally be normalized.
Al Fatah University Destroyed.
Libya was number one in Africa, as far as GDP, Education, housing.
Debt levels...NEARLY NONEXISTANT.
Well paved roads.
Nearly FREE housing.
FREE HEALTHCARE.
POWER-ELECTRICTY FOR EVERYBODY.
FREE UNIVERSITY EDUCATION FOR EVERYBODY.
An ally on the war on terror, the FIRST muslim country to emit an arrest warrant against Bin Laden.
Why did NATO declare war on this country?
If this country was so bad, and this man so evil why aren't other dictators falling like Dominoes.
Pathetic...
Another one bites the dust
And another one gone and another one gone
Another one bites the dust hey
I agree.....another Iraq / Afghanistan in the making ?
First victory then comes celebration with it comes a new power vacuum created.......then all hell breaks lose with suicide bombings and mass killing of civilians then the icing on the cake......the U.S will get the blame as always and Israel takes the blunt of the aggression.
Hamas created a cease fire [regrouping] on Israel ? Meaning Hamas by this action unwillingly admits it controls the aggression for the destruction of Israel, only next time with many more Arab nations against Israel.
Just think Iran is getting closer to building a nuke.
"Arab spring" turned into Arab fall / hell hole.
unfortunately overt fundamentalist Islamic insurgence is not limited to the Middle Eastern Arabic countries. Then there is "moderate" Islam - read covert fundamentalist Islam that has not reached critical mass .... yet.
Meanwhile moderate Christianity gives way to fundamentalist Evangelism ... The New (Nuke?) Dark Ages Beginith!
Yes Lybia sounded like a great place.
Re NUKES , we have the equivalent of over one thousand going off in Japan (MOX) , exposed weapon grade material, non cooled, that will go up the food chain and kill us all. PlusJapan is CONSTANTLY HAARPed by Ashkenazi controlled devils like Rockefellar and co.
We are all living dead (but they have bunkers and think they will reincarnate and have stores of hybrid seeds).
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> Irak has been attacked, sacked, raped, tortured by a so-called civilization force, all of this based on huge lies (we're still waiting for the massive destructive weapons). The true cause = OIL
> Afghanistan has been attacked because some men leaving in caves (Talibans) are the supposed organizer of the 09/11 attacks , another big lie. The true cause = Drug Traffick (Heroine)
> In Australia, a genocide has been organized against the true natives (called aboriginals) and the oppressors are "christians" not muslims
> These same christians killed, kidnapped, raped, sacked America ( Nth, Sth, East, West) only because of greed and they worshipped Gold and wealth ( the idols of satan)
> These same christians did the same in Africa and are still continuing to rob this continent (gold, diamonds, coltan, oil etc)
Please watch yourself before speaking of muslims...
Nehesy the "most learned", prophetic mental giant from Chad, speaks his usual garbage talk.
Muslims burned and killed the Jews during the Inquisition in Europe and Spain
Who dropped two H bombs on civilians during WWII in Hiroshima and Nagasaki ? Once again these bad Muslims !
Francisco Roldan who Raped Guarionex's wife was also a bad , perverse muslim
Muslims also enslaved and wiped out the Tainos in Ayiti, Borinquen, Cuba and Jamaica, yeah that was the bad muslims who did all this mess !
Muslims also, wiped out the Tasmanians
Mankind should rid of them....
Careful or he might edict a fatwa condemning all you Christian infidels and crusaders!
There is a French proverb which says : "balaies devant ta porte avant de balayer devant celle des autres" or in english "sweep in front of your door before sweeping in front of that of the others"
Christians have many sweeping to do before calling anybody fundamentalists. The bests reports of these mischieves all over the world had been collected by a Christian priests :
"Colonization and Christianity: a popular history of the treatment of the natives by the Europeans in all their colonies " by William Howitt
http://www.amazon.com/Colonizatio....TF8&qid=1314115177&sr=1-1
Fray Bartholomé Las Casas
http://www.amazon.com/Short-Accou....TF8&qid=1314115457&sr=1-1
Atrocities in the last 2000 years were committed by men in the name of God by mans own doing.
Muslim atrocities are committed by men in the name of Allah to justify favor with God again by mans own doing.
Man in his sinful nature will always use God as an excuse to justify atrocities.
Which begs the question....do we really serve the same God or man's own twisted understanding of God to benefit man.
No one today can not be held accountable from atrocities committed 50, 100, 500 years ago, yet man will always find an excuse to justify their actions which always results in atrocities.
I'm reminded "Vengeance is mine says the lord".
"Created by the powerful to control the stupid" powerful meaning the rich God does not value worldly possessions over souls mans does, "stupid" I call them LOST who follow your ideology.
Funny always on the offense...a sign of weakness too me.
As to the billions collected from the poor and gullible, the churches don't forward the money on to Jesus I'm sure. Not my "ideology" - it's called "facing reality".
Any atrocity wether it is done by Mulisms, Christians Jews, or atheists is not justified and has to be comdemned. In Islam IT IS FORBIDDEN to kill except to protect yourself or your family (case of self defense)
Suicide bombers are cowards !!!
But since 09/11 muslims have been the target of all accusations.
Since 09/11 who suffered most from atrocities ? How many civilians died in Afghanistan , and Irak ?
Many families in the USA are asking for a new commission to investigate 09/11, cause surely the cavemen called Taliban are not able to organize such a "coup d'état". How many of you knows that 09/11 hides one of the biggest capital markets fraud?
Many bankers bought Put Options in irregular numbers.
One thing is sure though Christians should not preach about atrocities ( millions of jews in WWII, Native Indians, Africans, Aboriginals, Tasmanians) ...
"In Islam IT IS FORBIDDEN to kill except to protect yourself or your family (case of self defense)"
According to the Koran,
"Fighting is obligatory for you, much as you dislike it." (Surah 2:216)
"Slay them wherever you find them...Idolatry is worse than carnage...Fight against them until idolatry is no more and God's religion reigns supreme." (Surah 2:190-)
"Seek out your enemies relentlessly." (Surah 4:103-)
Make war on them until idolatry shall cease and God's religion shall reign supreme." (Surah 8:36-)
"If you do not fight, He will punish you sternly, and replace you by other men." (Surah 9:37-)
"Prophet make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal rigorously with them. Hell shall be their home." (Surah 9:73)
"Believers, make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Deal firmly with them." (Surah 9:121-)
LOL my friend arm yourself for protection....I think man's non belief in God [infidels] and man's science which rules out an creator is included.
1st of all : the english jailbirds ( whom the US used to receive until 1776) genocided the aboriginals natives of Australia
They're discriminated, killed and parked like animals. Muslims have nothing to do on this...
2nd : The verses you posted are out of scope
- Having in mind that Qu'ran was revealed in the 7th century in ARABIA
- All these verses referred to the war between Arabs new muslims and the Arabs Idolaters
- You selected what you want to show up a bad view of islam...
1st muslims were persecuted (killed, tortured by Arabs) and even took refuge in Ethiopia...They did not fight. These verses were revealed to encourage them to fight back.
You can consult any Qu'ran Tafsir ( Quturbi, Ibn Kathir) to find out about the interpretation of thse verses.
Muslims spent 700 years in Spain, Christians and Jews lived freely their religion ( a tax was imposed though).
"Fight in the cause of God those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for God loves not transgressors. And slay them wherever you catch them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out; for tumult and oppression are worse than slaughter... But if they cease, God is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful... If they cease, let there be no hostility except to those who practice oppression" (2:190-193)
As said it's ONLY self defense :
If you pick up sentences in any book without their context and scope , then you can do any interpretation.
It's also true for the bible where many references to war can be also found against non believers.
Christians used such verses and interpret them for their own cause (wealth) to rob , kill, enslave in every part of the world (america, australia , africa, asia, europe, caribbeans)
Please sweep in front of your doors...
I am not an advocate of the Bible either - true, Christianity is also responsible for massive atrocities. Christians also make the same excuses for the incitement to evil in their book. Perhaps as a Muslim you can explain to us how you justify mutilating women and chopping children's hands off for steeling?
I (we) did not write the Bible (Ancient and New Testament) or the Qu'ran,
> Hundreds years ago before the muslims, Adultery MARRIED women ( and men) would be stoned to death it's in the old testament
> Jesus (peace be upon him) himself saved a woman from stoning at his time. Cause any men is no free from sins
> Homosexuality is also forbidden in all of these books.
> In Shariah (Islamic law) :
A married woman and MAN , who is caught doing adultery (if 4 witnesses) is stoned to death...like in the Judaic Law
A woman or man (not married), caught for the same event receives (after testimony) 100 lashes
> For Stealing
- A man who steals : his hand is cut
- For the children it should not be done : they can't support themselves.
I know that it's done in Saudi Arabia . The king family members being one of the biggest perverts,and drunkards of this world , HYPOCRITES
- They're hungry
- They can't support themselves
- The community MUST support them : each practising muslims pays 2.5 % of his global savings each year in order to help people of his community or others (poors, homeless). It's the ZAKAT and one of the pillar of muslim's faith.
This is why in some parts of the muslim world everybody is "rich" like in Brunei. But many so-called muslims are greedy as hell, like Saddam, Hosni Mubarak, the last president of Tunisia, Bashar El Hassad etc, etc
They keep all the wealth for themselves which against islam
Judaic, Sharia and Canonical Laws are all barbaric, unjust and ineffective. Secular law based on sound humanitarian principles is vastly superior. Unfortunately this will never be universal as there is a general trend towards fundamentalism (Jewish, Christian and Islamic) pushing the world into another Dark Ages, this time with nukes.
The roads are paved.
Electricity works.
Healthcare is FREE and availabe to ALL.
The services from the governement and Nationalized.
The people reciece multiple forms of assistance that are only DREAMED of in the western world.
The Koran and state are separate.
Freedom of belief is respected.
The government openly apologized for past excesses.
AFRICANS, EUROPEANS, ASIANS, flocked to Libya to work and enjoy the benefits of the government.
Women can drive and have many opportunities for advancement.
Now a Neo-liberal government or an Islamic state will come in.
The government in DR is neo-liberal and has sold off and privatized many of it's servic
A crazy man wouldn't last 40 years in power of outlast NATO.
He doesn't hear voices in his head and he is a devout muslim, but that doesn't steer his way of thinking or his passions.
He was guilty of excesses in the past. However we have to focus on the last few years of reform and openness.
The sources that want him gone, demonize and detract from him.
Aspersions and denigrating comments are the order of the day when it comes to mentioning anything about Libya or the government. The legitimate government.
The weapons were old and out of date because they didn't need them. They were no longer in the business of making war and violence.
Libya was like the Switzerland of Africa. Rich, prosperous and peaceful. The poorest Black African could go their and with what he earned he could send money home and support his family. Oh yeah Gaddafi was evil
Lybia was able to provide more for its citizens for one reason - massive oil revenue.
I hope you are wrong about Lybia becoming an Islamic Deocracy however I fear you are right. There is a move towards Islamic fundamentalism in the Middle East and towards Christian fundamentalism (Evangelism) in USA, Latin America and the Caribbean.
The Jalil guy he is a salafist and that is very different from the orientation of Gaddafi who is a sufi. Lybia already is an islamic republic. Islam is the prime mover, it's just a moderate form of islam called sufism. Read about it, it's beautiful. It's called the science of repairing the broken heart.
A broken heart is the most painful of wounds.
However what is at issue is that millions support the legitimate government of Libya.
NATO supported disaffected trouble makers, illegitimate upstarts. They had been arming these people ever since the end of 2010 and were just ready for the opportunity to pounce and boom.
Responsibility to Protect
Right to Plunder.
Obama what have you done?
100 % agree, but don't forget that 98% are dormant ...
Lybians would tell to all these guys that many Al Qaida soldiers are within the "Liberation" forces or "Libyan Rebels"...And they fight hand to hand with NATO forces...
Don't forget also that Obama is also a puppet :
- Bankers need to loan money to governments for wars, public debt, industries : war being the most lucrative business (WWI, WWII made the Bankers more richer...)
- The Militaro Complex Industry (MCI) need to sell his outputs (missiles, guns, bombs) to the US states : Vietnam, Irak 1990, Irak 2003, Afghanistan 2001==> The MCI NEED wars
- Obama has been elected with wall street money, how can we expect that politicians follow up the people wishes ? It's impossible.
- Obama a former social worker of chicago did not have a background like the Kennedys to make himself the president of the USA. He is the "McDonald Manager" put in place by those (true powers) who rule the US.
And to think of the U.S forces during WW2 would have not saved your A$$ !
France does the same SH&% only you ignore reality.
French A$$ has been saved by :
- African soldiers ( North Africans and Black Africans) being 95 % of the French forces who liberated south of France
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7984436.stm
- US soldiers
- English soldiers : It's Churchill who financed the french resistance groups with the SOE
As US, France is also an imperialist country (specially in Africa) nobody said something different
French soldiers of WWII were cowards...
Make other's die for your cause then it's....."Viva la France" the french way.
French army have foreign criminals in the legion that's true, US army uses the Blacks and Latinos in Irak and Afghanistan wars.
In WWII, AAs and Latinos were discriminated and segregated and part of the same regiment(Buffalo Soldier who fought in Italy)
Nope !
But it does sound like you have a problem with the U.S.
The U.S Army [C.I.D, F.B.I] carefully screens for criminals, drug users, undesirables and others which may pose a threat both during and after training.
I can see the direction [conquering through division] your headed with this....The U.S Armed forces since the mid 1970's is all volunteer, our colors / nationalities are a reflection of America's fighting force.
WW2 you forgot the Tuskegee air men, Texas buddy platoon, 442nd, 100 Inf., etc..etc.. still the U.S overcame...and those Buffalo Soldier's [3rd A] served regardless and it served to strengthen America, America is a Country of nations.
Good thing we don't bring up Frances history I say in the last.....600 years.
Do your self a favor....look up the % of U.S Soldiers K.I.A in Iraq & Afghanistan by color it may shock you and disrupt your way of thinking.
I'm a third generation French , my grandfather fought on the right side : he was not among those who collaborated with the Germans by delivering jews or by killing american soldiers at Omaha Beach ( La Milice)
French are despised , and regarded as cowards in germany, UK and US. I already know that.
I don't have a problem with the US people, but the US Institutions who preach for their own church : spread imperialism...
US supported all the Dictators in this world (even Trujillo). Saddam was their man during Iran/Irak war until they hanged like a dog.
Ben Laden was also their man (links Bush/Ben Laden families, knowing that Bush sr directed CIA and became president) . Many arab princes of EAU who finance the terrorist groups work with the US institutions : they own high tech companies and have FBI or the white house as clients.
US Institutions (CIA, NSA, FBI etc) are a bunch of criminal hypocrites , they're not better than Khadafi or Pinochet..
Hats off to your Grandfather. Mostly all Government's are despised but not the people.
Every Country is guilty of Imperialism in one form or another, we should also remember we have no control of the past therefore we can not be held accountable.....only the future.
OBL is not news to me, heck we hailed, armed and trained him, the biggest threat then was U.S.S.R....like always friends today are most likely enemy's of tomorrow that is......when the interest turns.
Trujillo, Saddam and all dictators of the world have one thing in common, a never ending thirst for ........POWER.
Man's evil nature never ceases to amaze me.
It all sounds like the NWO to me.
Thanks for sharing.
100% agree, we have the same evil power/group in mind : NWO