Written by: RonEvane, 11 Feb 2012 8:59 AM
From: United States, Gaithersburg, Maryland
Hah! No it won't!.. Proximity to US does not make a bit of difference. The strait between the two, must be one of the more patrolled by the Coast Guard. Besides, Cuba's strict laws will make things much more difficult for smugglers.
Before someone blabbers about the power of money and govt corruption, let me remind you that these people are communist fanatics and won't be as easy to bribe as it's done in DR.
What it will become, however, is a tourism center, once Fidel dies and Raul decides to chuck communism, to the detriment of our nation.
We've better pray to La virgen de la Altagracia that nothing changes in Cuba for the foreseeable future, if not, we're in for a catastrophic downturn in our economy!
Written by: josean, 11 Feb 2012 9:05 AM
From: United States, Dedicating 4 more years to fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia
Besides they Don't have a METRO and its one of the counties that spends the most of its GDP on education!
From: United States, Brooklyn
Why not really, look at what happened with former soviet republics. They're exporting women faster than AK47's. Cuba is not adept in the global economy and its people parched of hard-cash
Written by: RoyStone, 11 Feb 2012 9:15 AM
From: Australia
Absolutely, Ron.
The Mona Passage is a much easier entry to the USA, and the Dominica Republic is already established as a laundromat and illicit drug transfer-station. If the Mexican route is getting too hard we can expect a big increase in business here.
Written by: RoyStone, 11 Feb 2012 9:32 AM
From: Australia
Good point, CarlosFranco, when the Iron Curtain was raised, many adopted the worse traits of capitalism. During the Soviet Era, people could leave their doors unlocked. Now apartments are even more fortified that here, (following the Trujillo Era?) and that's saying something.
From: Dominican Republic
Of course it will come. Just wait that the Cubans of Florida come back to power when the Castros are done.
From: Dominican Republic, Santiago
If this happens it is because the NSA and the CIA and the DEA are committed to make it happen. Do not believe the war on drugs cannot be won. Believe the whale is the US.
To this day I believe there is enought suspicion to suspect the DEA had a hand in the Figueroa Agosto case. Remember he escaped or walked out of a US controlled prison and then was welcomed into Dominican society while LF was the President and benefactor of all.
How did this Puerto Rican walk for so many years in DR passing for Dominican with that accent???? Dominicans are not stupid people. Figueroa walked with educated yet slimey Dominicans. Impossible to believe they really thougt he was Dominican. IMPOSSIBLE
Written by: Pedrin, 11 Feb 2012 11:51 AM
From: United States
Once the Castros' are gone it won't take long for the hoods to move back in. That photo could have been taken yesterday or in the 50s'.
Written by: Atabey, 11 Feb 2012 2:54 PM
From: United States, NYC
Just remember the name Ochoa. When Cuba was undergoing the extremely difficult start of the"Special Period" after the fall of the Soviet Union in 1989-91, drug trafficking took on a life or death stance for the regime. He knew too much and along with several others was put to death by the Castros. The hard currency allowed the regime to gain desperately needed supplies during this enormously difficult period that saw Cuba experience never before instances of mal-nutrition within the country. With the advent of Chavez in Venezuela, a life-jacket was extended to the regime and the worst parts of the period have been surmounted. But for a brief period of time, the situation in Cuba was rather bleak to say the least, and the regime utilized all methods to try and rescue itself from the abyss.
Now oil discovery appears to be their new found saving grace. What might truly see major disruption for the regime is a Chavez defeat this Nov. 2012.
Written by: josean, 11 Feb 2012 3:16 PM
From: United States, Dedicating 4 more years to fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia
Do you have a non-rectal source for the coment above about the Cuban goverment's involvement in the drug trade?
Written by: Emaxx, 11 Feb 2012 7:17 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Cuba Offers Addiction Treatment through Medical Tourism Programs
Using psychiatry and therapeutic communities, Cuba promotes its addiction treatment programs in Canada, Latin America and Europe. Unfortunately, their highest profile addiction recovery patient, soccer player Diego Maradona, did not recover from his cocaine addiction after treatment there in 2000.For most people gripped by addiction, it takes time to rebuild a life that a person has structured around their next dose of cocaine, heroin or alcohol. Years spent chasing addictive substances in nearly every case damage or destroy one's integrity and personal values.To provide a real chance at long-term sobriety, addiction recovery programs must help the addicted person let go of their guilt and recover their self-esteem and pride. To make drug-free decisions for the rest of their lives, those in recovery must learn the life skills that will keep them out of dangerous situations in which they might be tempted to use drugs
Written by: Emaxx, 11 Feb 2012 7:19 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Cont.
again. With the thoroughness of the Narconon drug and alcohol rehabilitation program, this is just what seven out of ten graduates find: lasting sobriety and a productive life.
Written by: Emaxx, 11 Feb 2012 7:32 PM
From: Dominican Republic
CRIMINAL PENALTIES: While in a foreign country, a U.S. citizen is subject to that country's laws and regulations, which sometimes differ significantly from those in the United States and may not afford the protections available to the individual under U.S. law. Penalties for breaking the law can be more severe than in the United States for similar offenses. Persons violating Cuba’s laws, even unknowingly, may be expelled, arrested, or imprisoned. Penalties for possession, use, or trafficking in illegal drugs in Cuba are severe, and convicted offenders can expect long jail sentences and heavy fines. Those accused of drug-related and other crimes face long legal proceedings and delayed due process. In one 2002 drug arrest, two American citizens were sentenced to terms of 25 and 30 years. In another 2002 criminal case, the accused was detained for more than 18 months without a trial.
From: Dominican Republic, Santiago
Josean I have been to Cuba many many times. The source had to be RECTAL!! So many arm chair quarterbacks who have never been anywhere.
Cuban govt involved in drugs????????????
If it ever happens it will be because the US made it happen.
From: Cuba, La Havana, Que Viva La Revolucion
The Yankees need to clean there house before they tell us to clean our house. The problem with drugs is in your back yard and not in Cuba. If there are drugs in my country its because you Yankees bring them with you.
We as Cubans are very proud to be drug free. We see what it has done in Mexico and now in the Republica Dominicana. We are very sad for our brothers and sisters that have been traped into the yankee drug business.
I think this lady dianna needs to fix her own country and let Cuba stay free from drugs and especialy from california were you have mariguana stores that are legal.
Please mind your own business y que Viva La Revolucion
From: Cuba, La Havana, Que Viva La Revolucion
The Yankee War on Drugs
(CNN) -- Yankees should avoid all but essential travel to all or parts of 14 Mexican states, the U.S. State Department warns as violence has spread.Shootouts, kidnappings and carjackings have climbed, as have cartels, also known as transnational criminal organizations (TCO), the State Department said this week in a broadened travel warning.While millions of U.S. citizens safely visit Mexico every year, the country's ongoing violence and security concerns pose risks for U.S. citizens, and travelers should take precautions, the State Department advises."The TCOs themselves are engaged in a violent struggle to control drug trafficking routes and other criminal activity. As a result, crime and violence are serious problems throughout the country and can occur anywhere. U.S. citizens have fallen victim to TCO activity, including homicide, gun battles, kidnapping, carjacking and highway robbery," its alert says.
From: Cuba, La Havana, Que Viva La Revolucion
More than 47,500 people were killed in drug-related violence in Mexico between December 2006 and September 2011, according to the State Department. While most of those murdered were involved in criminal activity, innocent people were also caught in the crossfire, the State Department said. Mexican President Felipe Calderon declared a crackdown on cartels in late 2006.The number of Yankees reported murdered in Mexico last year was 120 -- up from 35 reported in 2007."We strongly advise you to lower your profile and avoid displaying any evidence of wealth that might draw attention," the alert says.The travel warning urges Yankees to defer nonessential travel to all or parts of the following 14 states: Chihuahua, Coahuila, Durango, Nuevo Leon, San Luis Potosi, Sinaloa, Sonora, Tamaulipas, Zacatecas, Aguascalientes, Guerrero, Jalisco, Michoacan and Nayarit.Travelers should also exercise caution visiting all or parts of Baja California, Colima and Morelos, it says.
From: Cuba, La Havana, Que Viva La Revolucion
Atabey
Freedom will come to Cuba the day the worthless embargo is removed. Yankees need to learn how to mind there own business. All the USA wants is War after War after War and meanwhile they have a big mess in there own country.
You say Decay, yes our country has alot of Decay and the USA would also have Decay if the table was turned around.
51 years of the Yankee embargo and we are still alive and we are strong as Cuban People. Just wait the day is coming that the USA Yankee Land will no longer be a super power. Just look back in history. Everything that goes up must come down, its the way of life and Yankee land is sinking fast. Your banks are broke yet the Yankee impire wants to start another War. This time with Iran... Good luck to you and your buddies!
So I say to all Yankees keep doing your drugs because that is what keep your country from sinking.
Que Viva Fidel
Que Viva Raul
Que Viva La Revolucion
Que Viva Cuba
Written by: riosm, 12 Feb 2012 10:38 AM
From: United States
I wonder how many arrest and confiscations are made in Cuba.....thanks to the Cuban total controlled Gov. media we'll never hear about it ?
Nothing like total control where you only filter and release what you want for that image.
Written by: RoyStone, 12 Feb 2012 11:17 AM
From: Australia
Yes, riosm, just like here?
I knew instantly it was not a recent photo in this country - properly-made sidewalk and gutters, no potholes or rubbish, no mosquitobikes and no Dominican would be seen dead in a car like that.
From: Dominican Republic, Santiago
Elbuscoon Gracias bien dicho
Written by: lovingit, 12 Feb 2012 12:49 PM
From: United States, Delaware
The Santo Domingo Malecon in the 1960s minus the ugly electrical wires!!!
Written by: josean, 12 Feb 2012 1:36 PM
From: United States, Dedicating 4 more years to fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia
To all my friends that want to attack the Cuban people for their fierce nationalism and defense of the THEIR form of government, not matter how despicable you may think the Cuban revolution and its leaders are they do have popular support. The Soviet Union collapsed and the other Soviet satellites as well because they lost that support and certainly they had more powerful and sophisticate apparatuses than the Castro brothers.
No government in the history of humanity can survive if it does not have the support of the majority of its people even if the support is generated by repression and fear or by the free and open consent of the governed via the electoral process.
We are currently witnessing the collapse of the Arab oligarchies because people are losing their fear and are no longer willing to consent to their own oppression.
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Written by: josean, 12 Feb 2012 1:38 PM
From: United States, Dedicating 4 more years to fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia
All politics is local as Tip O’Neill would say.
We cannot impose our way of thinking or of governing on anyone else no matter how much better we feel those persons or countries would be. We tried in Vietnam and lost American and Vietnamese’s lives and treasure and now we are trading with them.
The biggest political blunder the US committed with Cuba is the trade embargo which gives the regime a very logical defense against its short comings to the fiercely nationalistic Cubans (similarly to the fierce nationalism of the Vietnamese) that it is this US trade policy that accounts for the shortages.
No to those that want to say Cuba is involved in government sanctioned Drug Trading;
I would say that I don’t think that there are with very few exceptions, maybe the Artic and Antarctica, a place on earth were some type of the drug cancer has not penetrated.
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Written by: josean, 12 Feb 2012 1:41 PM
From: United States, Dedicating 4 more years to fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia
Although I do not doubt that there MUST be some type of drug activity in Cuba I sincerely cannot believe the Cuban government sanctions it in anyway. Obviously that does not exclude that some Cuban official’s on their own or even as group have or are possibly currently engaged; corruption is also a cancer that no ideology has yet been able to cure.
However, that it’s with the implicit or explicit consent of the Cuban government NO!
For this very simple reason; if the Cuban government were to be found to be involved to any extent in the International Drug trade especially to the United States of North America what better excuse and justification for the US to invade the country and over throw the regime! Does Manuel Noriega ring a bell!
Even if you believe the Cuban Revolution and its leaders are immoral criminals they are not stupid enough to sentence themselves to attack and possible extinction by engaging in that trade.
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Written by: josean, 12 Feb 2012 1:44 PM
From: United States, Dedicating 4 more years to fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia
You don’t last 53 years in power 90 miles away from the most powerful military and economic power the world has ever known, the USA, by being Stupid, although the Stupid Embargo has been their best Ally!
Written by: riosm, 12 Feb 2012 2:01 PM
From: United States
The middle east nations are falling apart that's due to the radical extremist under Sharia law, the bottom line is who ever controls the oil controls the money market....the Muslim domino effect supported by radical extremist.
Cuba being an Island isolated by the world and ruled by an iron fist. Socialism is great for those who have nothing. This generation of Cubans just don't know the difference.
One survives 53 years of rule 90 miles away from the most powerful nation on earth because if was never really in the interest of the U.S or.......Cuba no mas.
Sharia law vs. an Iron fist ? One uses religion while the other uses extreme force, the earth man knows what's best for you while on earth.
I never meet a Cuban I did not get along with both in the DR and the U.S, everybody has the same wants and needs regardless of ideology. I just rather rule myself the best I can.
Written by: josean, 12 Feb 2012 2:38 PM
From: United States, Dedicating 4 more years to fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia
And you’re FOX News/ Glen Beck inspired simplistic point is?
Written by: josean, 12 Feb 2012 3:17 PM
From: United States, Dedicating 4 more years to fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia
"The middle east nations are falling apart that's due to the radical extremist under Sharia law"
Tunisia, Egypt, Lybia and Syria were/ are under extremist Sharia Law?
That's news to me!
I thought it was Saudi Arabia with its extreme form of *Wahhabi interpreted Islam that uses extremist Sharia Law.
Those are the same Saudis that produced Osama Bin Laden, the guy you’re God, Ronald Regan, trained with the CIA and the * Mujahedeen in Afghanistan and gave them stringer missiles to fight the godless Soviets. You remember the guy who turned on us and knocked down the World Trade Center Towers.
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Written by: josean, 12 Feb 2012 3:18 PM
From: United States, Dedicating 4 more years to fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia
*“The mujahedeen were significantly financed, armed and trained by the United States [Central Intelligence Agency] (CIA) during the administrations of Jimmy Carter[39] and Ronald Reagan, and also by Saudi Arabia, Pakistan under Zia-ul-Haq, Iran, the People's Republic of China and several Western European countries. Pakistan's secret service, Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI), was used as an intermediary for most of these activities to disguise the sources of support for the resistance. One of the CIA's longest and most expensive covert operations was the supplying of billions of dollars in arms to the Afghan mujahideen militants. The arms included Stinger missiles, shoulder-fired, antiaircraft weapons that they used against Soviet helicopters and that later were in circulation among terrorists who have fired such weapons at commercial airliners.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mujahideencontinued:
Written by: josean, 12 Feb 2012 3:19 PM
From: United States, Dedicating 4 more years to fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia
These are also the Saudis that your most recent Gods, George Bush Jr. and Dick Chenney, two oilmen, gave a pass on many of their criminal activities in their 8 years in office because of their cozy oil related related business relationships.
(*Wahhabism encourages intolerance and promotes terrorism!”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saudi_ArabiaWritten by: Nehesy, 12 Feb 2012 4:08 PM
From: France, Paris
Not possible with the actual regime ! Cuba is a safest place compared to PR and the DR.
Drug traffic is booming in PR and DR, two nations (officially and unofficially) controlled by the USA. Coincidence ???
USA official services have the biggest story of drug trafficking. At the same moment we're talking Opium (i.e. heroin) exportation is booming in Afghanistan. All airports in this country are controlled by US Army..
Written by: josean, 12 Feb 2012 4:14 PM
From: United States, Dedicating 4 more years to fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia
Neshey,
How dare you distort this site with logic and facts!
Written by: RoyStone, 12 Feb 2012 4:44 PM
From: Australia
Josean, Nehesy, is not stating a fact, since PR is not a nation controlled by the USA. It is part of the American nation.
Also "facts" are not subject to logic - some is a fact or a fallacy. Period.
Written by: josean, 12 Feb 2012 5:22 PM
From: United States, Dedicating 4 more years to fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia
Roy, yes he is stating a fact!
The Puerto Rico is *unincorporated territory of the United States not a state of the American Nation with all rights and privileges that encompasses.
*The relationship between Puerto Rico and the United States has its origins dating back to the Spanish-American War, in which Spain, under the terms of the Treaty of Paris of 1898, ceded the island to the United States. Puerto Ricans became U.S. citizens in 1917, and the United States Congress legislates many aspects of Puerto Rican life.[11] However, the islanders may not vote in U.S. presidential elections.[1
Puerto Ricans born in the United States terrotirty called the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico have statutory citizenship. Not to be confused with Americans of Puerto Rican descent who are born in the continental United States. The US congress could unilaterally revoke the citizenship of the Puerto Rican born on the Island at moment’s notice.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puerto_RicoWritten by: josean, 12 Feb 2012 5:24 PM
From: United States, Dedicating 4 more years to fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia
Continued:
Puerto Rico is still listed by the United Nations as colony.
http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2006/gacol3138.doc.htmSo Roy you are incorrect and in disagreement with most of the world that still considers Puerto Rico a colony under the CONTROL of the United States of North America.
Roy this is a good read on PR:
"Puerto Rico: The Trials of the Oldest Colony in the World"
The author:
José Trías Monge (May 5, 1920 – June 24, 2003) was a lawyer and judge in Puerto Rico. He served as Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of Puerto Rico from 1974 to 1985.
http://www.amazon.com/José-T....h_lnk_1?qid=1329081148&sr=1-1Written by: josean, 12 Feb 2012 5:43 PM
From: United States, Dedicating 4 more years to fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia
PS
Roy I corrected it to what was my original intent, “logic AND facts”
Written by: RoyStone, 12 Feb 2012 6:24 PM
From: Australia
Thanks, Josean, I will read it, but in the meantime, I make the point, from my few days in the territory-colony-protectorate-commonwealth-whatever that they seem to have the best of both worlds, and most see it that way and don't want complete independence or full statehood.
I guess if a church building in Rome can be a Sovereign Independent Country (read totally-parasitic tax-free multinational cartel) anything is possible.
Written by: tomito, 13 Feb 2012 12:26 AM
From: United States
As usual, I just have to laugh at some of the crap I read here, of course the second and eventual regime collapse in Cuba would bring back the mafia, would bring drug cartels, gambling, etc, prostitution is one of the few things the Castro regime seems to turn a blind eye on and therefore one of the few remnants of the pre-castro era. If there's money to be made, it will be made under a free enterprise system, and with that comes the good and not so good practices of capitalism.
As to PR, for all practical purposes is just another state with a few different regulations here and there, but their president is : Obama, they travel with : US passport, a PR passport is nothing but a novelty item, they have a governor just like the Commonwealth of Virginia or any other state, US Coast Guard patrols the island, get the drift ?, if it quacks like a duck, looks like a duck, walks like a duck... it is a duck, having a separate Miss Universe should not be the practical distinction.
Written by: josean, 13 Feb 2012 1:20 AM
From: United States, Dedicating 4 more years to fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia
Obviously tomito is an "expert" on Cuba and Puerto Rico and would never let a fact get in the way of his rectally produced opinion, but I think this expert is a little more on point and reliable:
"Change and Cuba"
"Understanding Cuba’s internal dynamics is far from easy. It is on the one hand a nation that constantly brings the need for higher social values and actions to the world’s attention while on the other is prone to excessive control in response to a conviction that US hostility has created special circumstances.
It is proud that it has survived against the odds. It has withstood constant external pressure from the US and the collapse of the Soviet Union, but has suffered from mistakes of its own making.
At the highest levels of the state and at the level of level of the street virtually all Cubans remain committed nationalists determined that they alone will continue to manage change in their own way. "
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Written by: josean, 13 Feb 2012 1:28 AM
From: United States, Dedicating 4 more years to fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia
"It is this that explains Cuba’s resilience, survival and sometimes puzzling determination to find uniquely Cuban ways to deliver what others are already doing in terms of economic management."
David Jessop is the Director of the Caribbean Council and can be contacted at David.jessop@caribbean-council.org
http://www.dominicantoday.com/dr/....n/2012/2/10/42622/Change-and-CubaWritten by: RoyStone, 13 Feb 2012 1:40 AM
From: Australia
josean,
I have never been to Cuba, but from what I am reading, Cubans have intense, real, national pride. Dominicans don't. It starts, with bragging about Dominican-born American base-ball players, and ends with a tourism-brochure deluded-view of the beach. #1 is #1, #2 and #3 and somewhere down the bottom is the country.
No one with an real national pride, educated or not, would treat their streets, countryside, rivers and beaches as rubbish-tips and sewers, and would tolerate their country being ravaged by crime, corruption and violence as they do.
Written by: tomito, 13 Feb 2012 1:44 AM
From: United States
I don't need to seek an "expert" to know that those "committed nationalists" would leave the island in a heartbeat if given the chance, even to the DR, just like it happens at all international competitions, don't tell me you believe a Doctor wants to study all those years to make 10 bucks a month and let the Castros dictate what they can eat or say. I will concede Cuban jineteras are second to none though.
Written by: josean, 13 Feb 2012 2:03 AM
From: United States, Dedicating 4 more years to fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia
tomito,
I just don't understand if things are so horrible as the Miami Cubans and you say, then why don't the Cuban people rise up like they did in 1959 against Batista or as we did in 1961 against Trujillo?
Was Fidel the last Cuban to have any balls?
Written by: tomito, 13 Feb 2012 2:42 AM
From: United States
Remember there is not a deadline or a set number of years for this to occur, just ask the people of North Korea, don't tell me you think they're happy too. Cubans love Fidel as much as We had to like Trujillo.
Written by: josean, 13 Feb 2012 3:05 AM
From: United States, Dedicating 4 more years to fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia
Yeah but at least the Koreans split in two and we only took BS from Trujillo for 30 years.
The Cubans are going into their 53rd year of this horrible unhappiness. Their brothers in Miami and New Jersey have plenty of money, they have two US Senators one in each party and four in congress also in each party.
According to the 2000 Census, there are 1.3M Cubans in the U.S. population, or 0.4%.
Nevertheless, they have two U.S. Senators (2%) and four U.S. Representatives (0.9%).
Cuban Americans have:
U.S. Senators – Bob Menendez (D-NJ) and Marco Rubio (R-FL)
U.S. Representatives – David Rivera (R-FL); Mario Diaz-Balart (R-FL); Ileana Ros-Lehtinen (R-FL); and, Albio Sires (D-NJ)
You would think with that clout that no other Latino Community enjoys, especially in the US Senate they would make something happen given the Concentration Camp you and they describe Cuba has become under the Castors.
http://babalublog.com/2010/11/cuban-americans-in-congress/Written by: tomito, 13 Feb 2012 3:28 AM
From: United States
Yes the Koreas split in two since the Russians and Americans left at the end of WWII yet I don't see anyone from the South trying to escape to the North but rather the opposite, don't tell me you believed the tears you saw on TV were deeply felt when Kim Jong il died last year.
Cubans started trying to overthrow Castro since 1961 at the Bay of Pigs with the support of the CIA (just like they supported the plotters against Trujillo) but after the first failed attempt the US had to agree to never invade Cuba with the Russians after the missile crisis in 1962. I don't see many Cubans returning from the US to their "marvelous society" back in the island.
From: Cuba, La Havana, Que Viva La Revolucion
@ CarmenReyes, 12 Feb 2012 11:28 AM
From: Dominican Republic, Santiago
Elbuscoon Gracias bien dicho
Gracias a Usted Carmen
From: Cuba, La Havana, Que Viva La Revolucion
While we were on a rampage about drugs!
The World has Lost a True American idol Whitney Houston to drugs.
RIP Whitney God bless you and your sole.
You sang "I will always Love You" and I say "I will always Miss You"
Dam Drugs are taking away the best of our people all over the world.
And who can we thank for this?
Uncle Sammy!
From: Cuba, La Havana, Que Viva La Revolucion
@ Josean and RoyStone
Thank you for your support and enlightenment in this story.
Yes Roy Most Cubans are Very Proud of their country no matter what.
What is so sad is that most Cuban Americans or as I refer to as "COCONUTS" (because they are brown on the outside and WHITE on the inside) have lost that pride or have been brain washed out of that pride.
I have family members living and working in Miami and I asked one of my Primos one day. I said hay Primo why don't you send money to our family in Cuba and his response was. Fock them. Que se jodan. How sad I said to him. You were their at one point and we sent you money, how would you have felt if I would have thought like you do.
This is the way the COCONUTS think.
Written by: Grosero, 13 Feb 2012 8:14 AM
From: United States
It is common knowledge here in MIA that Uncle Sammy is the chief drug smuggler in the entire world.
Who the biggest Smuggler in the Carrib?
Why it's Uncle Sammy !
From: Cuba, La Havana, Que Viva La Revolucion
@ Tomito you wrote;
I don't see many Cubans returning from the US to their "marvelous society" back in the island.
Stay tuned to the local and International TV. You are going to see ONE that is going to return to his "marvelous society" very soon.
Que Viva Fidel
Que Viva Raul
Que Viva La Revolucion
Que Viva Cuba
Y Que Viva Mi Jente!
From: Cuba, La Havana, Que Viva La Revolucion
@ riosm you wrote; "12 Feb 2012 10:38 AM I wonder how many arrest and confiscations are made in Cuba.....thanks to the Cuban total controlled Gov. media we'll never hear about it ?
Nothing like total control where you only filter and release what you want for that image".
LMAO.... I almost pissed my pants. Lets talk about what you call "Total Control"
In Yankee Land you cant even goin fishing without a licence. Then you have a limit one the size and the amount of fish you can keep.. CONTROL
You buy your dream home in the city and YOU CANT even paint it the color you want...CONTROL.
You drive down the street, highway or where ever and the cameras are watching you...CONTROL
You have your driver licence up to date but your auto insurance expired, so your licence gets suspended...CONTROL
You go to get married and you need to have a marriage licence.. CONTROL (Funny, you have to have a licence to drive her) LMAO
I could go on and on But Its all About CONTROL. IRS CON
From: Cuba, La Havana, Que Viva La Revolucion
@ Written by: tomito, 13 Feb 2012 2:42 AM
From: United States
Remember there is not a deadline or a set number of years for this to occur, just ask the people of North Korea, don't tell me you think they're happy too. Cubans love Fidel as much as We had to like Trujillo.
MOST Dominican would Love to Have Trujillo back Today... After everything that the DR has been threw after Trujillo, they now have a little R.E.S.P.E.C.T. for Him..
Written by: Atabey, 13 Feb 2012 9:41 AM
From: United States, NYC
Written by: RoyStone, 13 Feb 2012 1:40 AM
josean,
I have never been to Cuba,.." And neither has good old Josey the Cat. But I have and while you are not mistaken about the nationalistic impluse in Cuba, a product of denied independence by the USA, your readings of the Cuban situation is far out of line with the realities there. If you hate Central government dictates, in its most egregious Paternalistic stance, Cuba is NOT your cup of tea.
The government basically tells YOU what you can and can't do. Who, for instance has first call access to the web, three classes of Cubans-university students, doctors and artists- against those, the majority of Cubans who have to wait their turn. If you get out of line, they have many means of putting you into a very difficult position. Psychological pressure and denial of 'la tarjeta blanca.'
In sum, the regime is a Latin flavored version of the Stalinist model with instead of one master, Uncle Joe, two brothers: Fidel and Raul.
Written by: Atabey, 13 Feb 2012 9:47 AM
From: United States, NYC
For those who say that ALL OF CUBA's problems stem from the USA blockade: Bogus. The blockade has not helped, but it has not been the real reason for why the Cuban economy has been so awful for so long. It fundamentally has to do with the regime itself. If you bothered to read, something Josey the Cat has no inclinations, you'll understand that many of the ill-functioning aspects of the Cuban economy stem from the lack of a true market price system. Essentially Cuba believed it could control the price and quality of goods and services via Central Planning. This system was not forced upon Cuba by the States, but by the SOVIET UNION as a result of the horrendously gone bad 10 Million Ton Sugar Cane Harvest. With the Cuban economy on its death bed, the Soviets insisted that Fidel adopt their version of economic planning.
Go read and learn something. Josean, read Fidel Castro: My Life by
Ignacio Ramonet
You just might learn something.
Written by: josean, 13 Feb 2012 10:37 AM
From: United States, Dedicating 4 more years to fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia
First of all how do you know where I have or have not been?
Oh! I forgot you are an arrogant, think you know it all PURPLE LAMBON, not to dissimilar from the Calle Ocho crowd in Miami!
Second after all your rectally produced MUMBO JUMO why if the GULGA is so bad haven’t the Cuban masses REVOLTED, that is the question.
From: United States
Cuba will open its doors and it will become a tourist hot spot for americans and with that drugs use will increase. The DR is maturing and will offer a higher class of tourism so it will hurt the DR for a while as it will not attract as many investors but not in the long run.
Written by: poncaal, 13 Feb 2012 11:33 AM
From: United States
cant we give a little credit and support to the new cuban republic drug buss. is hated worse than the commie partys i think the value of freedom will out number the thugs
Written by: josean, 13 Feb 2012 11:36 AM
From: United States, Dedicating 4 more years to fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia
TonyTunTun,
I think the fears of Dominicans and Puerto Ricans maybe exaggerated regarding destabilization of tourist sector; so as you say, any negative effects will be transitional, especially if the statement below is accurate:
"Cuba’s ministers also make clear that the wish is to more closely integrate their economy with that of neighbours in a manner that is complimentary rather than competitive: all matters reflected in the positive exchanges that took place at last year’s Cuba-Caricom meeting between Caribbean Heads of Government in Trinidad."
http://www.dominicantoday.com/dr/....n/2012/2/10/42622/Change-and-CubaWritten by: Atabey, 13 Feb 2012 11:40 AM
From: United States, NYC
Written by: RoyStone, 13 Feb 2012 11:45 AM
From: Australia
elBuscoon,
I note with interest regarding some Dominicans missing the Trujillo Era. I have spent a lot of time in Russia, Ukraine and Belarus, and have noted many bemoan the passing of the Soviet Era, while others regret the passing of the Romanov Dynasty.
There is a part of human nature that makes us want to be told what to do, to be controlled. This is one of the factors that allow ideologies, dictators and churches, the dollar and even spouses to come to power. Without willing braves there can be no chiefs. The role of the dominant male in the tribe, pack or herd was programmed into our DNA millions of years ago and is still there.
Written by: RonEvane, 13 Feb 2012 11:50 AM
From: United States, Gaithersburg, Maryland
First, Josean, you're an idiot with plenty to write and nothing to say.
Second, elBuscoon, You're a deluded, brain-washed, communist with no sense of what's going on in the world, except that which Fidel allows you to see.
That, which you deem CONTROL, are sensible LAWS enacted to protect the people.
In your case, your govt CONTROLS all your movements and thinking, akin to the "era de Trujillo"
I'm old enough to remember the terror induced by his murderous regime. Johnny Abbes and his goons were responsible for hundreds of thousands of "dissidents" killed or imprisoned who dared speak against "El padre de la Patria Nueva."
Duvalier and his Tom-Tom Macouts, were no different. We were enslaved by these tyrants
until, one day we couldn't take it anymore and revolted.
Your Fidel and "revolution" is no different. You live in a world of limited perception and choice.
You dare not say anything that goes against your govt, as we can, here in DR. ...continued..
Written by: Atabey, 13 Feb 2012 12:06 PM
From: United States, NYC
RonEven, include CarmenReyes in that group of deluded Dominicans.
And Roy, what many Cubans and Dominicans have is a Love-Hate relationship with the Hegemonic power to the North. Many Caribbeans hate the fact that its light, powers, are so vast and its involvement in the region has so altered the course of our islands development, independence, that it's like a reflex mechanism at work; this anti-USA stance. But sadly for some they have been very slow in appreciating the rather grey areas of geo-political and strategic practices.
But unlike the Cold war Era, the USA is far more accommodating these days( look at Chavez in Venz) to this adolescent behavior or infantile disorder on the part of some in the region.
Yes, the USA invaded and yes she helped the Trujillos and other tin-pots of the region for her, USA, hegemonic interests. So what! Let the past be and think about the current and future prospects ahead.
Written by: RonEvane, 13 Feb 2012 12:13 PM
From: United States, Gaithersburg, Maryland
If I lived in Cuba and wrote all this, I could easily be prosecuted for "crimes against the state", and imprisoned for a long time!
You and the rest of your revolutionaries are oppressed, silent peoples who dare not go against the grain. You exalt Raul as you did Fidel akin to Korea's Kim IL Sung, simply to avert dire consequences, if not.
I feel sorry for you and compatriots. Without freedom of expression and movements, You're nothing but zombies led by a blind man.
Communism equals, stifling of the mind, dire poverty, oppression, and living in constant fear.
Abajo con Fidel!
Abajo con el comunismo!
Que viva la democracia!
Que viva Cuba!
Written by: tomito, 13 Feb 2012 12:19 PM
From: United States
To RonEvane, Excellent comment.
Written by: Atabey, 13 Feb 2012 12:39 PM
From: United States, NYC
Written by: tomito, 13 Feb 2012 12:19 PM
From: United States
To RonEvane, Excellent comment.
Correcto!
Guys, what josey and the rest don't have the goods to say is that THEY would be the first to be limited in terms of freedoms were they living in Cuba.
Written by: josean, 13 Feb 2012 12:39 PM
From: United States, Dedicating 4 more years to fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia
The question still remains for the members of the Dominican Chapter of the John Birch Society; given all the horrible things occurring in Cuba for 53 years why don't the Cuban Masses rise up in revolt?
Absent being able to rationally answer that, everything else is hyperbolic MUMBO JUMBO nonsense as usual!
Written by: Atabey, 13 Feb 2012 12:40 PM
From: United States, NYC
Written by: josean, 13 Feb 2012 12:39 PM
From: United States
The question still remains for the members of the Dominican Chapter of the John Birch Society; given all the horrible things occurring in Cuba for 53 years why don't the Cuban Masses rise up in revolt?
Absent being able to rationally answer that, everything else is hyperbolic MUMBO JUMBO nonsense as usual!'
Perhaps you'll like to take a tour of Cuba and live a few months down in the Socialist Paradise and report back.
Before you go. here's a little back ground information.
Los Aldeanos- come mierda
http://youtu.be/tbzaOuylvdMLos Aldeanos, Me cago
http://youtu.be/XMaFCIjoSh0Written by: Atabey, 13 Feb 2012 12:51 PM
From: United States, NYC
Written by: josean, 13 Feb 2012 12:58 PM
From: United States, Dedicating 4 more years to fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia
Written by: Atabey, 13 Feb 2012 1:03 PM
From: United States, NYC
Written by: josean, 13 Feb 2012 1:05 PM
From: United States, Dedicating 4 more years to fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia
Written by: josean, 13 Feb 2012 12:39 PM
From: United States
The question still remains for the members of the Dominican Chapter of the John Birch Society; given all the horrible things occurring in Cuba for 53 years why don't the Cuban Masses rise up in revolt?
Absent being able to rationally answer to that, everything else is hyperbolic MUMBO JUMBO nonsense as usual!
Written by: Atabey, 13 Feb 2012 1:08 PM
From: United States, NYC
"why don't the Cuban Masses rise up in revolt?"---asked Josean
CUBA, FALSO PARAISO (Tres documentales en uno)
http://youtu.be/8IPUqhY2pFELEARN IF YOU CAN.
Written by: josean, 13 Feb 2012 1:13 PM
From: United States, Dedicating 4 more years to fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia
Like I said, and you are proving it with your childish posting:
The question still remains; given all the horrible things occurring in Cuba for 53 years why don't the Cuban Masses rise up in revolt?
Absent being able to rationally answer that, everything else is hyperbolic MUMBO JUMBO nonsense as usual!
Written by: riosm, 13 Feb 2012 1:41 PM
From: United States
Josean
Ever wonder how many of those Cuban protesters are in jail past and present being labelled enemy of the state ?
But then again the world will never hear about it....thanks to the total controlled Cuban Gov. media.
Written by: josean, 13 Feb 2012 1:46 PM
From: United States, Dedicating 4 more years to fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia
Risom,
The more you guys pile on the Cuban government factually correct or in hyperbole the fact remains if it’s SOOOOOOOOOOOO Bad why haven’t the people revolted?
Written by: riosm, 13 Feb 2012 2:13 PM
From: United States
Their not bullet proof, they don't know the difference.
Cuba is an island surrounded by water and sharks.
My understanding is....every Cuban living abroad has to check in with the Cuban embassy once a month, why ?
Many Cubans who are lucky enough to live out side of Cuba have family as some sort of human collateral as a guarantee.
Cubans in public will tell you the greatness of modern day Cuba....but privately it's another story.
Written by: RonEvane, 13 Feb 2012 2:32 PM
From: United States, Gaithersburg, Maryland
"why haven’t the people revolted?"
This is such an asinine and naive question, I won't take the time to even begin to explain.
What would do you good, Mr. Josean, is to approach this very interesting question with an open mind and see what others, much more informed than us, can tell us about the state of affairs in today's Cuba.
Anyone who can justify repression, regression, and limitation, in the name of communism; is either in the communist party hierarchy, enjoying a privileged lifestyle; or a poor peon who must tolerate it for fear his life and that of his family's. I hope this partially answers your question.
Written by: josean, 13 Feb 2012 3:50 PM
From: United States, Dedicating 4 more years to fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia
The point is that I will concede all the horrible things that you and the others both on DT and Calle Ocho say about the Cuban government and the Castro brothers.
That being the case; Cubans are not more oppressed than the Soviets or those that lived behind the iron curtain in the satellite Soviet states were under Soviet power. They are not more oppressed than the people who live under the religious repressive or "secular" states of the Middle East. Certainly Cuban women in Cuba with all the horrible conditions there are not nearly as limited in education or movement as women in Afghanistan during and post-Taliban rule. I have seen them demonstrating in the streets.
So why don't rise up.
Why aren’t Bob Mendez and Marco Rubio holding daily protests in front to the Cuban Mission at the UN?
Why isn’t the whole Cuban congressional delegation and the two Senators Demanding via paid ads in the New York Times that the UN act against this worse than NAZI Germany regime?
Written by: Atabey, 13 Feb 2012 4:31 PM
From: United States, NYC
"Written by: RonEvane, 13 Feb 2012 2:32 PM
From: United States, Gaithersburg, Maryland
"why haven’t the people revolted?"
This is such an asinine and naive question, I won't take the time to even begin to explain.
What would do you good, Mr. Josean, is to approach this very interesting question with an open mind and see what others, much more informed than us, can tell us about the state of affairs in today's Cuba.
Anyone who can justify repression, regression, and limitation, in the name of communism; is either in the communist party hierarchy, enjoying a privileged lifestyle; or a poor peon who must tolerate it for fear his life and that of his family's. I hope this partially answers your question."
Ron,
100% Correcto.
First, let's have Josean state his credentials. So have you ever been to be island of Cuba, Josean?
Written by: josean, 13 Feb 2012 4:54 PM
From: United States, Dedicating 4 more years to fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia
The relevant question is not my Globe-Trotting or lack thereof but:
"given all the horrible things occurring in Cuba for 53 years why don't the Cuban Masses rise up in revolt?"
Absent being able to rationally answer that, everything else is hyperbolic MUMBO JUMBO nonsense as usual!
Written by: tomito, 13 Feb 2012 9:18 PM
From: United States
Josean, are you still stuck on the why not revolt issue ? I thought we were way past that, apparently not. Let's try again with a similar situation of total dictatorship control:
Based on your analogy, you seem to suggest that the reason why they have not revolted is because they love the regime, I gave you the example of North Korea, why haven't they revolted ? Do you think they love the way they live, again, North Koreans flee to the South, not the other way around, they are now on their 3rd generation of the regime, as you can see, overthrowing a dictator without the help of a powerful nation is not an easy task, not impossible but very difficult nonetheless, specially in modern times, it takes decades and there's not a set time or deadline for it, the US agreed with the Russians never to invade Cuba as part of the resolution of the Cuban missile crisis in 1962, the CIA provided support for the Bay of the Pigs invasion in 1961 but Fidel had the Russians on his side.
Cont...
Written by: tomito, 13 Feb 2012 9:21 PM
From: United States
If it is so good, why the need to keep Cubans from leaving the island, traveling out of Cuba legally is more difficult than walking through the streets of Boca Chica at night and not see a cuero.
Written by: josean, 13 Feb 2012 9:24 PM
From: United States, Dedicating 4 more years to fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia
"US agreed with the Russians never to invade Cuba"
Wrong with the SovIet Union! No longer in exisatnce last I heard!
Written by: josean, 13 Feb 2012 9:26 PM
From: United States, Dedicating 4 more years to fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia
"The point is that I will concede all the horrible things that you and the others both on DT and Calle Ocho say about the Cuban government and the Castro brothers."
"given all the horrible things occurring in Cuba for 53 years why don't the Cuban Masses rise up in revolt?"
"Absent being able to rationally answer that, everything else is hyperbolic MUMBO JUMBO nonsense as usual!"
Written by: tomito, 13 Feb 2012 9:43 PM
From: United States
Of course it was the USSR back then but you know what I meant, the Americans (excuseme, the US government) made a deal with the Kremlin.
On the other hand, I don't think it gets more rational than that, remember Cuba became independent more than 50 years after the DR, and Dominicans don't have another Maximo Gomez to help this time around, looks like freedom takes longer to reach that island.
Written by: josean, 14 Feb 2012 7:42 AM
From: United States, Dedicating 4 more years to fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia
"Based on your analogy, you seem to suggest that the reason why they have not revolted is because they love the regime"
I don't know whether they do or don't love the regime.
My point is that with all the pressure of the most powerful economic and military power humanity has known the USA, focused on them just 90 miles from their shores for 5 decades; with one million plus of their countrymen in the US rabidly against the regime; with a disproportionate amount of influence in the Spanish media constantly on the attack against the regime in every opportunity they get; with US sponsored broadcasts into the country; with an extraordinary presence in the US Congress and Senate you would think in 53 years things would have made a changed.
continued:
Written by: josean, 14 Feb 2012 7:44 AM
From: United States, Dedicating 4 more years to fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia
So either things are not as bad as people claim them to be, which doesn’t mean the people support the regime but possibly have been conditioned into submissive coexistence; not unlike most humans beings relationship with their governments with more or less repression depending on the form of that government;
Or things ARE that bad but their "brothers and sisters" in the US don’t want it to change because they have made a profitable business in the anticommunist industry like Jorge Mas Canosa did with the Cuban American National Foundation just to name one of the anticommunist entrepreneurs.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuban_American_National_FoundationWritten by: riosm, 14 Feb 2012 9:49 AM
From: United States
Josean
If Cuba is so great why not live there instead of the U.S ?
Then you can really tell us how great it is.
The communist have made a living justifying their existence by spreading discontent, blaming others, revolutions, pointing fingers and playing victims.
Written by: RoyStone, 14 Feb 2012 10:04 AM
From: Australia
Yes, riosm, the Russian peasants had it real good under the Tzars, and they must have really enjoyed occupation by the German Imperial Army, due to the incompetence of Nicholas II during WW1
Had the USSR not defeated Hitler, where would we be now? Yes I know, according to Hollywood, Uncle Sam single-handedly won WW2
How ungrateful of the USSR to whinge about Islamic Terrorism in the southern Soviet States, covertly aided by USA, long before 9/11 showed Americans what its like.
Written by: josean, 14 Feb 2012 11:19 AM
From: United States, Dedicating 4 more years to fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia
"Written by: riosm, 14 Feb 2012 9:49 AM
From: United States
Josean
If Cuba is so great why not live there instead of the U.S ?
Then you can really tell us how great it is.
The communist have made a living justifying their existence by spreading discontent, blaming others, revolutions, pointing fingers and playing victims."
This is the typical Glen Beck/ FOX News sensationalist response to get non thinking numbnuts to write knee jerk responses like the one above.
Where have I said that Cuba is or isn't a paradise. What I have simple tried to point out is that if it’s as bad as you and the rest of the John Birchers that post here say, why haven't they revolted, especially with all the outside resources and prominent political personalities they have in exile community.
Continued:
Written by: josean, 14 Feb 2012 11:21 AM
From: United States, Dedicating 4 more years to fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia
Senator Mark Rubio is even being talk about a serious possiblty to be a republican vice presidential candidate.
No Mexican American or Puerto Rican who have more votes and have fought valiantly in many more American wars than Cubans have, are even mentioned in the realm of possibilities for a vice presidential nomination in either party. That means they have votes and economic muscle yet for 53 years using covert and very overt measures they have not been able to get the people in Cuba to rise up.
I just wonder why!
Written by: riosm, 14 Feb 2012 12:24 PM
From: United States
Josean,
Just goes to prove.......a whole Cuban generation who was raised to believe big daddy Castro know what's best for them, I wonder what will happen once he leaves earth ?
I don't how long you've been in the U.S but....in the 1960's the Chitcano movement always tried to include other Latino's "para la causa", "Aztlan" all follower's of Sh--Che for the numbers game [votes] only.
Heck they even tried to recruit local L.A Latino gang members. Then came a real stupid bunch the brown berets all fashioned by their leader Chitshe.
Look up the history of the word minority in the early 1970's, that will explain everything.
All Latino groups L.U.L.A.C, M.A.L.D.E.F, La Raza etc..etc.. all have the same radical extremist socialist communist roots. These groups main goal is "La Causa"....check the history of the word just mentioned.
Written by: josean, 14 Feb 2012 1:04 PM
From: United States, Dedicating 4 more years to fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia
Yes,
I am familiar with the Chicano Movement, the Brown Berets, *Rodolfo "Corky" Gonzáles the United Farm Workers Movement and Cesar Chavez who I met once and the Young Lords Felipe Luciano and Geraldo Rivera who was their attorney and who I met years ago.
*I Am Joaquín
With his poem Yo Soy Joaquín, known in English as I Am Joaquin, Gonzales shared his new cosmological vision of the "Chicano", who was neither Indian nor European, neither Mexican nor American, but a combination of all the conflicting identities.[15][16] This new "raza", or "race" found its roots in the Pre-Columbian civilizations, which gave it rights to inhabit the ancestral land of Aztlán.
continued:
Written by: josean, 14 Feb 2012 1:07 PM
From: United States, Dedicating 4 more years to fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia
It was strengthened by conceptions such as those of José Vasconcelos, Mexico's Secretary of Education under the Revolutionary Alvaro Obregón and the Indian-friendly Plutarco Elías Calles, who proclaimed that the hope of humanity lay in the mixed "Raza Cósmica" of Latin America. But perhaps more than anywhere else, Joaquín, the archetypical Chicano, found hope for his future in his own personal and spiritual awakening, a realization forced upon him by his status as an oppressed minority in the United States.[17][18]
Some scholars have credited Gonzales with authoring this historicized, politicized definition of what it is to be a "Chicano".[19] The far-reaching effect of the poem is summed up by UC Riverside professor Juan Felipe Herrera: "Here, finally, was our collective song, and it arrived like thunder crashing down from the heavens. Every little barrio newspaper from Albuquerque to Berkeley published it.
Continued:
Written by: josean, 14 Feb 2012 1:10 PM
From: United States, Dedicating 4 more years to fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia
People slapped mimeographed copies up on walls and telephone poles." It was so influential that it was turned into a play by Luis Valdez's Teatro Campesino that toured nationally.[16] It is seen a foundational work of the burgeoning Chicano Art Movement that accompanied, complimented, and enhanced the Chicano Movement, and, as the Plan Espiritual de Aztlán exhorted those talented members of the community to use their abilities to advance la Causa ("the Cause"), Yo Soy Joaquín provided a strong example.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rodolfo_GonzalesYes Risom I have been here longer than I care to admit and around the political block a few times.
However, the only ism no pun intended, I adhere to is Humanism.
Written by: Atabey, 14 Feb 2012 1:40 PM
From: United States, NYC
"However, the only ism no pun intended, I adhere to is Humanism." --Josean
I suggest you go to Cuba and try out your humanism and see what bitter fruits await your efforts.
But select a different color than White (perhaps pink?), as that color is reserved for Las Damas de Blanco; and we don't want people to be confused, no?
Written by: josean, 14 Feb 2012 1:58 PM
From: United States, Dedicating 4 more years to fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia
Don't they miss you at that temple of intellectual interchange called the Forum?
Written by: riosm, 14 Feb 2012 3:45 PM
From: United States
Rudy Acuna who teaches Chicano studies at Cal State Norhridge [Calif.] and who wrote the book "Invasion America".
I idea that the Spanish were here prior to the other white Europeans always make a good argument, but failed to mention the terrible hostile mistreatment of the indigenous peoples by the Spanish in all the Americas.
The 1960's Chicano movement the brown berets were fashioned after the black militant radicals of the day...the black panthers.
Good thing the Latino gangs of the 60's and today will never follow the radical's ideologues and their stance on immigration minus the word "Illegal".
I remember the brown berets training the 60's youth on how to play victims of police brutality by causing disturbances, all in the name of looking for a cause.
The Latino & Black radical militant had a good old time during the L.A riots.
Good at pitting THEM against US....problem is who's US ?
Written by: tomito, 14 Feb 2012 4:39 PM
From: United States
@Josean
"Or things ARE that bad but their "brothers and sisters" in the US don’t want it to change because they have made a profitable business in the anticommunist industry like Jorge Mas Canosa did with the Cuban American National Foundation just to name one of the anticommunist entrepreneurs."
This is more likely to be the case, Mascanosa, Ileana Ross, the Diaz Balart brothers, the powerful Fanjul brothers since they now have their sugar plantations elsewhere and enjoy hefty quotas and subsidies by the US govt and want to keep things the way they are, all these influential businessmen and politicians have made a career and big profits with the feelings of Cubans on both sides of the strait, not to mention the fact that many Cubans that left the island in the 80's and even earlier could care less about what they left behind since they now have a family of their own in the US and what happens in the island.
Continue...
Written by: tomito, 14 Feb 2012 5:17 PM
From: United States
3rd and even 2nd generation of Cuban descent don't care enough to make it a life goal to overthrow the regime.
Written by: Atabey, 15 Feb 2012 10:52 AM
From: United States, NYC
"On a certain level, one can commiserate with Hobsbawm, a prominent member of the mainly (although of course not exclusively) Jewish interwar intelligentsia that believed in the redemptive vision of Marxism. The Soviet Union became a beacon of hope for this group after the slaughters of World War I and the collapse of European democracies and economies in the 1920s and 1930s.
The tendency to close one's eyes at first to blemishes in the Soviet system was understandable. But this pose became an intellectual and moral prison when what initially could have been viewed as childhood illnesses of the revolution transmogrified into the hideous crimes of Stalinism. Some had the courage to liberate themselves; others clung to their hopes even as darkness descended at noon."
"Some had the courage to liberate themselves; others clung to their hopes even as the darkness descended at noon."
An apt description of Josean on Cuba.
Written by: RoyStone, 15 Feb 2012 12:06 PM
From: Australia
Why aren't the peasants revolting?
I think they are revolting.
Written by: Nehesy, 16 Feb 2012 1:16 PM
From: France, Paris
Cubans generally speaking love Fidel for sure, specially the old generation. My homeboys in la Havana tell me that they love their country and hate the system (specially police racism).
The only thing I don't understand in Cuba is why there is not enough food when the land is so big and green ? The land is good and people could be fed without any issue like the DR, unfortunately Tobacco farming brings lot of money to the elite.
The most difficult thing for a foreigner in Cuba is to see the suffering : specially the lack of food and the beggars. In Cuba you can be the most educated guy , still you're income will be very low ( even more with the CUC currency system). These are the biggests problem created by the Castro system in Cuba: lack of food and poverty (lot of prostitution in La Havana)
Cuba is a very nice country (nice beaches and inner land) , people are nice , welcoming and very educated. The country is safe for a foreigner
Written by: jasfalon, 24 Feb 2012 7:56 AM
From: United States
With RD's involvement, they don't need Cuba, or anyone else. Ask the Hell's Angels.
Written by: jasfalon, 9 Mar 2012 7:54 AM
From: United States
Just a smoke screen to protect the Dominican generals. RD will always be the number one coke dealer as long as politicians allow generals and ex-generals to run the drug trade, and all the other illegal activities. Generals and ex-generals are the real RD mafia.
Written by: RoyStone, 9 Mar 2012 8:56 AM
From: Australia
This cant be true, jasfalon,
I saw all these generals with the president in the cathedral in Higuey. They are Christians.
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Hah! No it won't!.. Proximity to US does not make a bit of difference. The strait between the two, must be one of the more patrolled by the Coast Guard. Besides, Cuba's strict laws will make things much more difficult for smugglers.
Before someone blabbers about the power of money and govt corruption, let me remind you that these people are communist fanatics and won't be as easy to bribe as it's done in DR.
What it will become, however, is a tourism center, once Fidel dies and Raul decides to chuck communism, to the detriment of our nation.
We've better pray to La virgen de la Altagracia that nothing changes in Cuba for the foreseeable future, if not, we're in for a catastrophic downturn in our economy!
Besides they Don't have a METRO and its one of the counties that spends the most of its GDP on education!
The Mona Passage is a much easier entry to the USA, and the Dominica Republic is already established as a laundromat and illicit drug transfer-station. If the Mexican route is getting too hard we can expect a big increase in business here.
To this day I believe there is enought suspicion to suspect the DEA had a hand in the Figueroa Agosto case. Remember he escaped or walked out of a US controlled prison and then was welcomed into Dominican society while LF was the President and benefactor of all.
How did this Puerto Rican walk for so many years in DR passing for Dominican with that accent???? Dominicans are not stupid people. Figueroa walked with educated yet slimey Dominicans. Impossible to believe they really thougt he was Dominican. IMPOSSIBLE
Now oil discovery appears to be their new found saving grace. What might truly see major disruption for the regime is a Chavez defeat this Nov. 2012.
Do you have a non-rectal source for the coment above about the Cuban goverment's involvement in the drug trade?
Using psychiatry and therapeutic communities, Cuba promotes its addiction treatment programs in Canada, Latin America and Europe. Unfortunately, their highest profile addiction recovery patient, soccer player Diego Maradona, did not recover from his cocaine addiction after treatment there in 2000.For most people gripped by addiction, it takes time to rebuild a life that a person has structured around their next dose of cocaine, heroin or alcohol. Years spent chasing addictive substances in nearly every case damage or destroy one's integrity and personal values.To provide a real chance at long-term sobriety, addiction recovery programs must help the addicted person let go of their guilt and recover their self-esteem and pride. To make drug-free decisions for the rest of their lives, those in recovery must learn the life skills that will keep them out of dangerous situations in which they might be tempted to use drugs
again. With the thoroughness of the Narconon drug and alcohol rehabilitation program, this is just what seven out of ten graduates find: lasting sobriety and a productive life.
Cuban govt involved in drugs????????????
If it ever happens it will be because the US made it happen.
We as Cubans are very proud to be drug free. We see what it has done in Mexico and now in the Republica Dominicana. We are very sad for our brothers and sisters that have been traped into the yankee drug business.
I think this lady dianna needs to fix her own country and let Cuba stay free from drugs and especialy from california were you have mariguana stores that are legal.
Please mind your own business y que Viva La Revolucion
(CNN) -- Yankees should avoid all but essential travel to all or parts of 14 Mexican states, the U.S. State Department warns as violence has spread.Shootouts, kidnappings and carjackings have climbed, as have cartels, also known as transnational criminal organizations (TCO), the State Department said this week in a broadened travel warning.While millions of U.S. citizens safely visit Mexico every year, the country's ongoing violence and security concerns pose risks for U.S. citizens, and travelers should take precautions, the State Department advises."The TCOs themselves are engaged in a violent struggle to control drug trafficking routes and other criminal activity. As a result, crime and violence are serious problems throughout the country and can occur anywhere. U.S. citizens have fallen victim to TCO activity, including homicide, gun battles, kidnapping, carjacking and highway robbery," its alert says.
Freedom will come to Cuba the day the worthless embargo is removed. Yankees need to learn how to mind there own business. All the USA wants is War after War after War and meanwhile they have a big mess in there own country.
You say Decay, yes our country has alot of Decay and the USA would also have Decay if the table was turned around.
51 years of the Yankee embargo and we are still alive and we are strong as Cuban People. Just wait the day is coming that the USA Yankee Land will no longer be a super power. Just look back in history. Everything that goes up must come down, its the way of life and Yankee land is sinking fast. Your banks are broke yet the Yankee impire wants to start another War. This time with Iran... Good luck to you and your buddies!
So I say to all Yankees keep doing your drugs because that is what keep your country from sinking.
Que Viva Fidel
Que Viva Raul
Que Viva La Revolucion
Que Viva Cuba
Nothing like total control where you only filter and release what you want for that image.
I knew instantly it was not a recent photo in this country - properly-made sidewalk and gutters, no potholes or rubbish, no mosquitobikes and no Dominican would be seen dead in a car like that.
To all my friends that want to attack the Cuban people for their fierce nationalism and defense of the THEIR form of government, not matter how despicable you may think the Cuban revolution and its leaders are they do have popular support. The Soviet Union collapsed and the other Soviet satellites as well because they lost that support and certainly they had more powerful and sophisticate apparatuses than the Castro brothers.
No government in the history of humanity can survive if it does not have the support of the majority of its people even if the support is generated by repression and fear or by the free and open consent of the governed via the electoral process.
We are currently witnessing the collapse of the Arab oligarchies because people are losing their fear and are no longer willing to consent to their own oppression.
continued:
All politics is local as Tip O’Neill would say.
We cannot impose our way of thinking or of governing on anyone else no matter how much better we feel those persons or countries would be. We tried in Vietnam and lost American and Vietnamese’s lives and treasure and now we are trading with them.
The biggest political blunder the US committed with Cuba is the trade embargo which gives the regime a very logical defense against its short comings to the fiercely nationalistic Cubans (similarly to the fierce nationalism of the Vietnamese) that it is this US trade policy that accounts for the shortages.
No to those that want to say Cuba is involved in government sanctioned Drug Trading;
I would say that I don’t think that there are with very few exceptions, maybe the Artic and Antarctica, a place on earth were some type of the drug cancer has not penetrated.
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Although I do not doubt that there MUST be some type of drug activity in Cuba I sincerely cannot believe the Cuban government sanctions it in anyway. Obviously that does not exclude that some Cuban official’s on their own or even as group have or are possibly currently engaged; corruption is also a cancer that no ideology has yet been able to cure.
However, that it’s with the implicit or explicit consent of the Cuban government NO!
For this very simple reason; if the Cuban government were to be found to be involved to any extent in the International Drug trade especially to the United States of North America what better excuse and justification for the US to invade the country and over throw the regime! Does Manuel Noriega ring a bell!
Even if you believe the Cuban Revolution and its leaders are immoral criminals they are not stupid enough to sentence themselves to attack and possible extinction by engaging in that trade.
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You don’t last 53 years in power 90 miles away from the most powerful military and economic power the world has ever known, the USA, by being Stupid, although the Stupid Embargo has been their best Ally!
Cuba being an Island isolated by the world and ruled by an iron fist. Socialism is great for those who have nothing. This generation of Cubans just don't know the difference.
One survives 53 years of rule 90 miles away from the most powerful nation on earth because if was never really in the interest of the U.S or.......Cuba no mas.
Sharia law vs. an Iron fist ? One uses religion while the other uses extreme force, the earth man knows what's best for you while on earth.
I never meet a Cuban I did not get along with both in the DR and the U.S, everybody has the same wants and needs regardless of ideology. I just rather rule myself the best I can.
And you’re FOX News/ Glen Beck inspired simplistic point is?
"The middle east nations are falling apart that's due to the radical extremist under Sharia law"
Tunisia, Egypt, Lybia and Syria were/ are under extremist Sharia Law?
That's news to me!
I thought it was Saudi Arabia with its extreme form of *Wahhabi interpreted Islam that uses extremist Sharia Law.
Those are the same Saudis that produced Osama Bin Laden, the guy you’re God, Ronald Regan, trained with the CIA and the * Mujahedeen in Afghanistan and gave them stringer missiles to fight the godless Soviets. You remember the guy who turned on us and knocked down the World Trade Center Towers.
continued:
*“The mujahedeen were significantly financed, armed and trained by the United States [Central Intelligence Agency] (CIA) during the administrations of Jimmy Carter[39] and Ronald Reagan, and also by Saudi Arabia, Pakistan under Zia-ul-Haq, Iran, the People's Republic of China and several Western European countries. Pakistan's secret service, Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI), was used as an intermediary for most of these activities to disguise the sources of support for the resistance. One of the CIA's longest and most expensive covert operations was the supplying of billions of dollars in arms to the Afghan mujahideen militants. The arms included Stinger missiles, shoulder-fired, antiaircraft weapons that they used against Soviet helicopters and that later were in circulation among terrorists who have fired such weapons at commercial airliners.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mujahideen
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These are also the Saudis that your most recent Gods, George Bush Jr. and Dick Chenney, two oilmen, gave a pass on many of their criminal activities in their 8 years in office because of their cozy oil related related business relationships.
(*Wahhabism encourages intolerance and promotes terrorism!”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saudi_Arabia
Drug traffic is booming in PR and DR, two nations (officially and unofficially) controlled by the USA. Coincidence ???
USA official services have the biggest story of drug trafficking. At the same moment we're talking Opium (i.e. heroin) exportation is booming in Afghanistan. All airports in this country are controlled by US Army..
Neshey,
How dare you distort this site with logic and facts!
Also "facts" are not subject to logic - some is a fact or a fallacy. Period.
Roy, yes he is stating a fact!
The Puerto Rico is *unincorporated territory of the United States not a state of the American Nation with all rights and privileges that encompasses.
*The relationship between Puerto Rico and the United States has its origins dating back to the Spanish-American War, in which Spain, under the terms of the Treaty of Paris of 1898, ceded the island to the United States. Puerto Ricans became U.S. citizens in 1917, and the United States Congress legislates many aspects of Puerto Rican life.[11] However, the islanders may not vote in U.S. presidential elections.[1
Puerto Ricans born in the United States terrotirty called the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico have statutory citizenship. Not to be confused with Americans of Puerto Rican descent who are born in the continental United States. The US congress could unilaterally revoke the citizenship of the Puerto Rican born on the Island at moment’s notice.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puerto_Rico
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Puerto Rico is still listed by the United Nations as colony.
http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2006/gacol3138.doc.htm
So Roy you are incorrect and in disagreement with most of the world that still considers Puerto Rico a colony under the CONTROL of the United States of North America.
Roy this is a good read on PR:
"Puerto Rico: The Trials of the Oldest Colony in the World"
The author:
José Trías Monge (May 5, 1920 – June 24, 2003) was a lawyer and judge in Puerto Rico. He served as Chief Justice of the Supreme Court of Puerto Rico from 1974 to 1985.
http://www.amazon.com/José-T....h_lnk_1?qid=1329081148&sr=1-1
PS
Roy I corrected it to what was my original intent, “logic AND facts”
I guess if a church building in Rome can be a Sovereign Independent Country (read totally-parasitic tax-free multinational cartel) anything is possible.
As to PR, for all practical purposes is just another state with a few different regulations here and there, but their president is : Obama, they travel with : US passport, a PR passport is nothing but a novelty item, they have a governor just like the Commonwealth of Virginia or any other state, US Coast Guard patrols the island, get the drift ?, if it quacks like a duck, looks like a duck, walks like a duck... it is a duck, having a separate Miss Universe should not be the practical distinction.
Obviously tomito is an "expert" on Cuba and Puerto Rico and would never let a fact get in the way of his rectally produced opinion, but I think this expert is a little more on point and reliable:
"Change and Cuba"
"Understanding Cuba’s internal dynamics is far from easy. It is on the one hand a nation that constantly brings the need for higher social values and actions to the world’s attention while on the other is prone to excessive control in response to a conviction that US hostility has created special circumstances.
It is proud that it has survived against the odds. It has withstood constant external pressure from the US and the collapse of the Soviet Union, but has suffered from mistakes of its own making.
At the highest levels of the state and at the level of level of the street virtually all Cubans remain committed nationalists determined that they alone will continue to manage change in their own way. "
Continued:
"It is this that explains Cuba’s resilience, survival and sometimes puzzling determination to find uniquely Cuban ways to deliver what others are already doing in terms of economic management."
David Jessop is the Director of the Caribbean Council and can be contacted at David.jessop@caribbean-council.org
http://www.dominicantoday.com/dr/....n/2012/2/10/42622/Change-and-Cuba
I have never been to Cuba, but from what I am reading, Cubans have intense, real, national pride. Dominicans don't. It starts, with bragging about Dominican-born American base-ball players, and ends with a tourism-brochure deluded-view of the beach. #1 is #1, #2 and #3 and somewhere down the bottom is the country.
No one with an real national pride, educated or not, would treat their streets, countryside, rivers and beaches as rubbish-tips and sewers, and would tolerate their country being ravaged by crime, corruption and violence as they do.
tomito,
I just don't understand if things are so horrible as the Miami Cubans and you say, then why don't the Cuban people rise up like they did in 1959 against Batista or as we did in 1961 against Trujillo?
Was Fidel the last Cuban to have any balls?
Yeah but at least the Koreans split in two and we only took BS from Trujillo for 30 years.
The Cubans are going into their 53rd year of this horrible unhappiness. Their brothers in Miami and New Jersey have plenty of money, they have two US Senators one in each party and four in congress also in each party.
According to the 2000 Census, there are 1.3M Cubans in the U.S. population, or 0.4%.
Nevertheless, they have two U.S. Senators (2%) and four U.S. Representatives (0.9%).
Cuban Americans have:
U.S. Senators – Bob Menendez (D-NJ) and Marco Rubio (R-FL)
U.S. Representatives – David Rivera (R-FL); Mario Diaz-Balart (R-FL); Ileana Ros-Lehtinen (R-FL); and, Albio Sires (D-NJ)
You would think with that clout that no other Latino Community enjoys, especially in the US Senate they would make something happen given the Concentration Camp you and they describe Cuba has become under the Castors.
http://babalublog.com/2010/11/cuban-americans-in-congress/
Cubans started trying to overthrow Castro since 1961 at the Bay of Pigs with the support of the CIA (just like they supported the plotters against Trujillo) but after the first failed attempt the US had to agree to never invade Cuba with the Russians after the missile crisis in 1962. I don't see many Cubans returning from the US to their "marvelous society" back in the island.
From: Dominican Republic, Santiago
Elbuscoon Gracias bien dicho
Gracias a Usted Carmen
The World has Lost a True American idol Whitney Houston to drugs.
RIP Whitney God bless you and your sole.
You sang "I will always Love You" and I say "I will always Miss You"
Dam Drugs are taking away the best of our people all over the world.
And who can we thank for this?
Uncle Sammy!
Thank you for your support and enlightenment in this story.
Yes Roy Most Cubans are Very Proud of their country no matter what.
What is so sad is that most Cuban Americans or as I refer to as "COCONUTS" (because they are brown on the outside and WHITE on the inside) have lost that pride or have been brain washed out of that pride.
I have family members living and working in Miami and I asked one of my Primos one day. I said hay Primo why don't you send money to our family in Cuba and his response was. Fock them. Que se jodan. How sad I said to him. You were their at one point and we sent you money, how would you have felt if I would have thought like you do.
This is the way the COCONUTS think.
Who the biggest Smuggler in the Carrib?
Why it's Uncle Sammy !
I don't see many Cubans returning from the US to their "marvelous society" back in the island.
Stay tuned to the local and International TV. You are going to see ONE that is going to return to his "marvelous society" very soon.
Que Viva Fidel
Que Viva Raul
Que Viva La Revolucion
Que Viva Cuba
Y Que Viva Mi Jente!
Nothing like total control where you only filter and release what you want for that image".
LMAO.... I almost pissed my pants. Lets talk about what you call "Total Control"
In Yankee Land you cant even goin fishing without a licence. Then you have a limit one the size and the amount of fish you can keep.. CONTROL
You buy your dream home in the city and YOU CANT even paint it the color you want...CONTROL.
You drive down the street, highway or where ever and the cameras are watching you...CONTROL
You have your driver licence up to date but your auto insurance expired, so your licence gets suspended...CONTROL
You go to get married and you need to have a marriage licence.. CONTROL (Funny, you have to have a licence to drive her) LMAO
I could go on and on But Its all About CONTROL. IRS CON
From: United States
Remember there is not a deadline or a set number of years for this to occur, just ask the people of North Korea, don't tell me you think they're happy too. Cubans love Fidel as much as We had to like Trujillo.
MOST Dominican would Love to Have Trujillo back Today... After everything that the DR has been threw after Trujillo, they now have a little R.E.S.P.E.C.T. for Him..
josean,
I have never been to Cuba,.." And neither has good old Josey the Cat. But I have and while you are not mistaken about the nationalistic impluse in Cuba, a product of denied independence by the USA, your readings of the Cuban situation is far out of line with the realities there. If you hate Central government dictates, in its most egregious Paternalistic stance, Cuba is NOT your cup of tea.
The government basically tells YOU what you can and can't do. Who, for instance has first call access to the web, three classes of Cubans-university students, doctors and artists- against those, the majority of Cubans who have to wait their turn. If you get out of line, they have many means of putting you into a very difficult position. Psychological pressure and denial of 'la tarjeta blanca.'
In sum, the regime is a Latin flavored version of the Stalinist model with instead of one master, Uncle Joe, two brothers: Fidel and Raul.
Go read and learn something. Josean, read Fidel Castro: My Life by
Ignacio Ramonet
You just might learn something.
First of all how do you know where I have or have not been?
Oh! I forgot you are an arrogant, think you know it all PURPLE LAMBON, not to dissimilar from the Calle Ocho crowd in Miami!
Second after all your rectally produced MUMBO JUMO why if the GULGA is so bad haven’t the Cuban masses REVOLTED, that is the question.
TonyTunTun,
I think the fears of Dominicans and Puerto Ricans maybe exaggerated regarding destabilization of tourist sector; so as you say, any negative effects will be transitional, especially if the statement below is accurate:
"Cuba’s ministers also make clear that the wish is to more closely integrate their economy with that of neighbours in a manner that is complimentary rather than competitive: all matters reflected in the positive exchanges that took place at last year’s Cuba-Caricom meeting between Caribbean Heads of Government in Trinidad."
http://www.dominicantoday.com/dr/....n/2012/2/10/42622/Change-and-Cuba
Please tell of your vast knowledge of the Cuban reality, Josey the Cat. We are all ears.
CarmenReyes and Josean dead sources don't talk. :| But here's what the Revolution has rectally delivered:
Paradox Found
http://youtu.be/aP3ZSW_7QDY
Eskuadron Patriota - ¿Qué Van a Hacer?
http://youtu.be/4K1L9MKEQS4
El B - Esto Es Pa' Todos [Viva Cuba Libre]
http://youtu.be/o3vFMQE7bnM
El B - Contrarevolucionario [Viva Cuba Libre]
http://youtu.be/GsMPdMsnGBU
Los Aldeanos-Es Solo Un Sueño
http://youtu.be/Ca9cpS8mpnM
Silvio Rodrguez's son Silviito
Silvito El Libre~El PasienT ~Pa' la KY~
http://youtu.be/9onAobgZ7tg
Silvito El Libre - No Creo
http://youtu.be/GaBRlXG2TIs
But just as when the Stassi was taken down, much illumination will we have concerning this "Periodo Especial" in Cuba.
Enjoy the youngblood's message en la realidad Cubana.
I note with interest regarding some Dominicans missing the Trujillo Era. I have spent a lot of time in Russia, Ukraine and Belarus, and have noted many bemoan the passing of the Soviet Era, while others regret the passing of the Romanov Dynasty.
There is a part of human nature that makes us want to be told what to do, to be controlled. This is one of the factors that allow ideologies, dictators and churches, the dollar and even spouses to come to power. Without willing braves there can be no chiefs. The role of the dominant male in the tribe, pack or herd was programmed into our DNA millions of years ago and is still there.
First, Josean, you're an idiot with plenty to write and nothing to say.
Second, elBuscoon, You're a deluded, brain-washed, communist with no sense of what's going on in the world, except that which Fidel allows you to see.
That, which you deem CONTROL, are sensible LAWS enacted to protect the people.
In your case, your govt CONTROLS all your movements and thinking, akin to the "era de Trujillo"
I'm old enough to remember the terror induced by his murderous regime. Johnny Abbes and his goons were responsible for hundreds of thousands of "dissidents" killed or imprisoned who dared speak against "El padre de la Patria Nueva."
Duvalier and his Tom-Tom Macouts, were no different. We were enslaved by these tyrants
until, one day we couldn't take it anymore and revolted.
Your Fidel and "revolution" is no different. You live in a world of limited perception and choice.
You dare not say anything that goes against your govt, as we can, here in DR. ...continued..
And Roy, what many Cubans and Dominicans have is a Love-Hate relationship with the Hegemonic power to the North. Many Caribbeans hate the fact that its light, powers, are so vast and its involvement in the region has so altered the course of our islands development, independence, that it's like a reflex mechanism at work; this anti-USA stance. But sadly for some they have been very slow in appreciating the rather grey areas of geo-political and strategic practices.
But unlike the Cold war Era, the USA is far more accommodating these days( look at Chavez in Venz) to this adolescent behavior or infantile disorder on the part of some in the region.
Yes, the USA invaded and yes she helped the Trujillos and other tin-pots of the region for her, USA, hegemonic interests. So what! Let the past be and think about the current and future prospects ahead.
If I lived in Cuba and wrote all this, I could easily be prosecuted for "crimes against the state", and imprisoned for a long time!
You and the rest of your revolutionaries are oppressed, silent peoples who dare not go against the grain. You exalt Raul as you did Fidel akin to Korea's Kim IL Sung, simply to avert dire consequences, if not.
I feel sorry for you and compatriots. Without freedom of expression and movements, You're nothing but zombies led by a blind man.
Communism equals, stifling of the mind, dire poverty, oppression, and living in constant fear.
Abajo con Fidel!
Abajo con el comunismo!
Que viva la democracia!
Que viva Cuba!
From: United States
To RonEvane, Excellent comment.
Correcto!
Guys, what josey and the rest don't have the goods to say is that THEY would be the first to be limited in terms of freedoms were they living in Cuba.
The question still remains for the members of the Dominican Chapter of the John Birch Society; given all the horrible things occurring in Cuba for 53 years why don't the Cuban Masses rise up in revolt?
Absent being able to rationally answer that, everything else is hyperbolic MUMBO JUMBO nonsense as usual!
Written by: josean, 13 Feb 2012 12:39 PM
From: United States
The question still remains for the members of the Dominican Chapter of the John Birch Society; given all the horrible things occurring in Cuba for 53 years why don't the Cuban Masses rise up in revolt?
Absent being able to rationally answer that, everything else is hyperbolic MUMBO JUMBO nonsense as usual!'
Perhaps you'll like to take a tour of Cuba and live a few months down in the Socialist Paradise and report back.
Before you go. here's a little back ground information.
Los Aldeanos- come mierda
http://youtu.be/tbzaOuylvdM
Los Aldeanos, Me cago
http://youtu.be/XMaFCIjoSh0
http://youtu.be/ifcSegUi5-k
Aldo Si fuera un gusano (2010)
http://youtu.be/OG7lBQIReVg
Hasta Cuando?
http://youtu.be/TRlAePTmb4Y
Se te estan callendo los pantalones, Josey?
Saudi Arabia Blames ‘Elements’ for Firing on Forces in Awwamiya
Certainly it’s more dangerous to rise up in Saudi Arabia than in Cuba and even there people are doing so, although on a very small scale but nevertheless there are rumblings; so what’ up in the Cuban Gulag?
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/201....firing-on-forces-in-awwamiya.html
http://youtu.be/NdHoKatqK6E
From: United States
The question still remains for the members of the Dominican Chapter of the John Birch Society; given all the horrible things occurring in Cuba for 53 years why don't the Cuban Masses rise up in revolt?
Absent being able to rationally answer to that, everything else is hyperbolic MUMBO JUMBO nonsense as usual!
"why don't the Cuban Masses rise up in revolt?"---asked Josean
CUBA, FALSO PARAISO (Tres documentales en uno)
http://youtu.be/8IPUqhY2pFE
LEARN IF YOU CAN.
Like I said, and you are proving it with your childish posting:
The question still remains; given all the horrible things occurring in Cuba for 53 years why don't the Cuban Masses rise up in revolt?
Absent being able to rationally answer that, everything else is hyperbolic MUMBO JUMBO nonsense as usual!
Ever wonder how many of those Cuban protesters are in jail past and present being labelled enemy of the state ?
But then again the world will never hear about it....thanks to the total controlled Cuban Gov. media.
Risom,
The more you guys pile on the Cuban government factually correct or in hyperbole the fact remains if it’s SOOOOOOOOOOOO Bad why haven’t the people revolted?
Cuba is an island surrounded by water and sharks.
My understanding is....every Cuban living abroad has to check in with the Cuban embassy once a month, why ?
Many Cubans who are lucky enough to live out side of Cuba have family as some sort of human collateral as a guarantee.
Cubans in public will tell you the greatness of modern day Cuba....but privately it's another story.
"why haven’t the people revolted?"
This is such an asinine and naive question, I won't take the time to even begin to explain.
What would do you good, Mr. Josean, is to approach this very interesting question with an open mind and see what others, much more informed than us, can tell us about the state of affairs in today's Cuba.
Anyone who can justify repression, regression, and limitation, in the name of communism; is either in the communist party hierarchy, enjoying a privileged lifestyle; or a poor peon who must tolerate it for fear his life and that of his family's. I hope this partially answers your question.
The point is that I will concede all the horrible things that you and the others both on DT and Calle Ocho say about the Cuban government and the Castro brothers.
That being the case; Cubans are not more oppressed than the Soviets or those that lived behind the iron curtain in the satellite Soviet states were under Soviet power. They are not more oppressed than the people who live under the religious repressive or "secular" states of the Middle East. Certainly Cuban women in Cuba with all the horrible conditions there are not nearly as limited in education or movement as women in Afghanistan during and post-Taliban rule. I have seen them demonstrating in the streets.
So why don't rise up.
Why aren’t Bob Mendez and Marco Rubio holding daily protests in front to the Cuban Mission at the UN?
Why isn’t the whole Cuban congressional delegation and the two Senators Demanding via paid ads in the New York Times that the UN act against this worse than NAZI Germany regime?
From: United States, Gaithersburg, Maryland
"why haven’t the people revolted?"
This is such an asinine and naive question, I won't take the time to even begin to explain.
What would do you good, Mr. Josean, is to approach this very interesting question with an open mind and see what others, much more informed than us, can tell us about the state of affairs in today's Cuba.
Anyone who can justify repression, regression, and limitation, in the name of communism; is either in the communist party hierarchy, enjoying a privileged lifestyle; or a poor peon who must tolerate it for fear his life and that of his family's. I hope this partially answers your question."
Ron,
100% Correcto.
First, let's have Josean state his credentials. So have you ever been to be island of Cuba, Josean?
The relevant question is not my Globe-Trotting or lack thereof but:
"given all the horrible things occurring in Cuba for 53 years why don't the Cuban Masses rise up in revolt?"
Absent being able to rationally answer that, everything else is hyperbolic MUMBO JUMBO nonsense as usual!
Based on your analogy, you seem to suggest that the reason why they have not revolted is because they love the regime, I gave you the example of North Korea, why haven't they revolted ? Do you think they love the way they live, again, North Koreans flee to the South, not the other way around, they are now on their 3rd generation of the regime, as you can see, overthrowing a dictator without the help of a powerful nation is not an easy task, not impossible but very difficult nonetheless, specially in modern times, it takes decades and there's not a set time or deadline for it, the US agreed with the Russians never to invade Cuba as part of the resolution of the Cuban missile crisis in 1962, the CIA provided support for the Bay of the Pigs invasion in 1961 but Fidel had the Russians on his side.
Cont...
"US agreed with the Russians never to invade Cuba"
Wrong with the SovIet Union! No longer in exisatnce last I heard!
"The point is that I will concede all the horrible things that you and the others both on DT and Calle Ocho say about the Cuban government and the Castro brothers."
"given all the horrible things occurring in Cuba for 53 years why don't the Cuban Masses rise up in revolt?"
"Absent being able to rationally answer that, everything else is hyperbolic MUMBO JUMBO nonsense as usual!"
On the other hand, I don't think it gets more rational than that, remember Cuba became independent more than 50 years after the DR, and Dominicans don't have another Maximo Gomez to help this time around, looks like freedom takes longer to reach that island.
"Based on your analogy, you seem to suggest that the reason why they have not revolted is because they love the regime"
I don't know whether they do or don't love the regime.
My point is that with all the pressure of the most powerful economic and military power humanity has known the USA, focused on them just 90 miles from their shores for 5 decades; with one million plus of their countrymen in the US rabidly against the regime; with a disproportionate amount of influence in the Spanish media constantly on the attack against the regime in every opportunity they get; with US sponsored broadcasts into the country; with an extraordinary presence in the US Congress and Senate you would think in 53 years things would have made a changed.
continued:
So either things are not as bad as people claim them to be, which doesn’t mean the people support the regime but possibly have been conditioned into submissive coexistence; not unlike most humans beings relationship with their governments with more or less repression depending on the form of that government;
Or things ARE that bad but their "brothers and sisters" in the US don’t want it to change because they have made a profitable business in the anticommunist industry like Jorge Mas Canosa did with the Cuban American National Foundation just to name one of the anticommunist entrepreneurs.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuban_American_National_Foundation
If Cuba is so great why not live there instead of the U.S ?
Then you can really tell us how great it is.
The communist have made a living justifying their existence by spreading discontent, blaming others, revolutions, pointing fingers and playing victims.
Had the USSR not defeated Hitler, where would we be now? Yes I know, according to Hollywood, Uncle Sam single-handedly won WW2
How ungrateful of the USSR to whinge about Islamic Terrorism in the southern Soviet States, covertly aided by USA, long before 9/11 showed Americans what its like.
"Written by: riosm, 14 Feb 2012 9:49 AM
From: United States
Josean
If Cuba is so great why not live there instead of the U.S ?
Then you can really tell us how great it is.
The communist have made a living justifying their existence by spreading discontent, blaming others, revolutions, pointing fingers and playing victims."
This is the typical Glen Beck/ FOX News sensationalist response to get non thinking numbnuts to write knee jerk responses like the one above.
Where have I said that Cuba is or isn't a paradise. What I have simple tried to point out is that if it’s as bad as you and the rest of the John Birchers that post here say, why haven't they revolted, especially with all the outside resources and prominent political personalities they have in exile community.
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Senator Mark Rubio is even being talk about a serious possiblty to be a republican vice presidential candidate.
No Mexican American or Puerto Rican who have more votes and have fought valiantly in many more American wars than Cubans have, are even mentioned in the realm of possibilities for a vice presidential nomination in either party. That means they have votes and economic muscle yet for 53 years using covert and very overt measures they have not been able to get the people in Cuba to rise up.
I just wonder why!
Just goes to prove.......a whole Cuban generation who was raised to believe big daddy Castro know what's best for them, I wonder what will happen once he leaves earth ?
I don't how long you've been in the U.S but....in the 1960's the Chitcano movement always tried to include other Latino's "para la causa", "Aztlan" all follower's of Sh--Che for the numbers game [votes] only.
Heck they even tried to recruit local L.A Latino gang members. Then came a real stupid bunch the brown berets all fashioned by their leader Chitshe.
Look up the history of the word minority in the early 1970's, that will explain everything.
All Latino groups L.U.L.A.C, M.A.L.D.E.F, La Raza etc..etc.. all have the same radical extremist socialist communist roots. These groups main goal is "La Causa"....check the history of the word just mentioned.
Yes,
I am familiar with the Chicano Movement, the Brown Berets, *Rodolfo "Corky" Gonzáles the United Farm Workers Movement and Cesar Chavez who I met once and the Young Lords Felipe Luciano and Geraldo Rivera who was their attorney and who I met years ago.
*I Am Joaquín
With his poem Yo Soy Joaquín, known in English as I Am Joaquin, Gonzales shared his new cosmological vision of the "Chicano", who was neither Indian nor European, neither Mexican nor American, but a combination of all the conflicting identities.[15][16] This new "raza", or "race" found its roots in the Pre-Columbian civilizations, which gave it rights to inhabit the ancestral land of Aztlán.
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It was strengthened by conceptions such as those of José Vasconcelos, Mexico's Secretary of Education under the Revolutionary Alvaro Obregón and the Indian-friendly Plutarco Elías Calles, who proclaimed that the hope of humanity lay in the mixed "Raza Cósmica" of Latin America. But perhaps more than anywhere else, Joaquín, the archetypical Chicano, found hope for his future in his own personal and spiritual awakening, a realization forced upon him by his status as an oppressed minority in the United States.[17][18]
Some scholars have credited Gonzales with authoring this historicized, politicized definition of what it is to be a "Chicano".[19] The far-reaching effect of the poem is summed up by UC Riverside professor Juan Felipe Herrera: "Here, finally, was our collective song, and it arrived like thunder crashing down from the heavens. Every little barrio newspaper from Albuquerque to Berkeley published it.
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People slapped mimeographed copies up on walls and telephone poles." It was so influential that it was turned into a play by Luis Valdez's Teatro Campesino that toured nationally.[16] It is seen a foundational work of the burgeoning Chicano Art Movement that accompanied, complimented, and enhanced the Chicano Movement, and, as the Plan Espiritual de Aztlán exhorted those talented members of the community to use their abilities to advance la Causa ("the Cause"), Yo Soy Joaquín provided a strong example.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rodolfo_Gonzales
Yes Risom I have been here longer than I care to admit and around the political block a few times.
However, the only ism no pun intended, I adhere to is Humanism.
I suggest you go to Cuba and try out your humanism and see what bitter fruits await your efforts.
But select a different color than White (perhaps pink?), as that color is reserved for Las Damas de Blanco; and we don't want people to be confused, no?
Don't they miss you at that temple of intellectual interchange called the Forum?
I idea that the Spanish were here prior to the other white Europeans always make a good argument, but failed to mention the terrible hostile mistreatment of the indigenous peoples by the Spanish in all the Americas.
The 1960's Chicano movement the brown berets were fashioned after the black militant radicals of the day...the black panthers.
Good thing the Latino gangs of the 60's and today will never follow the radical's ideologues and their stance on immigration minus the word "Illegal".
I remember the brown berets training the 60's youth on how to play victims of police brutality by causing disturbances, all in the name of looking for a cause.
The Latino & Black radical militant had a good old time during the L.A riots.
Good at pitting THEM against US....problem is who's US ?
"Or things ARE that bad but their "brothers and sisters" in the US don’t want it to change because they have made a profitable business in the anticommunist industry like Jorge Mas Canosa did with the Cuban American National Foundation just to name one of the anticommunist entrepreneurs."
This is more likely to be the case, Mascanosa, Ileana Ross, the Diaz Balart brothers, the powerful Fanjul brothers since they now have their sugar plantations elsewhere and enjoy hefty quotas and subsidies by the US govt and want to keep things the way they are, all these influential businessmen and politicians have made a career and big profits with the feelings of Cubans on both sides of the strait, not to mention the fact that many Cubans that left the island in the 80's and even earlier could care less about what they left behind since they now have a family of their own in the US and what happens in the island.
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The tendency to close one's eyes at first to blemishes in the Soviet system was understandable. But this pose became an intellectual and moral prison when what initially could have been viewed as childhood illnesses of the revolution transmogrified into the hideous crimes of Stalinism. Some had the courage to liberate themselves; others clung to their hopes even as darkness descended at noon."
"Some had the courage to liberate themselves; others clung to their hopes even as the darkness descended at noon."
An apt description of Josean on Cuba.
I think they are revolting.
The only thing I don't understand in Cuba is why there is not enough food when the land is so big and green ? The land is good and people could be fed without any issue like the DR, unfortunately Tobacco farming brings lot of money to the elite.
The most difficult thing for a foreigner in Cuba is to see the suffering : specially the lack of food and the beggars. In Cuba you can be the most educated guy , still you're income will be very low ( even more with the CUC currency system). These are the biggests problem created by the Castro system in Cuba: lack of food and poverty (lot of prostitution in La Havana)
Cuba is a very nice country (nice beaches and inner land) , people are nice , welcoming and very educated. The country is safe for a foreigner
I saw all these generals with the president in the cathedral in Higuey. They are Christians.