Written by: RoyStone, 24 Mar 2012 3:25 PM
From: Australia
"Pope Benedict says communism has failed in Cuba"
So have the Vatican's favorite political systems, Fascism and Nazism.
Written by: RoyStone, 24 Mar 2012 3:27 PM
From: Australia
Cuba needs the Catholic "Church's help in creating a new economic model, " like it needs an AIDS epidemic, the Inquisition or the Dark Ages.
Written by: RoyStone, 24 Mar 2012 3:47 PM
From: Australia
So there will be a secret Concordat between Cuba and the Holy See, like in the Dominican Republic?
From: United States
roy u need to stop blaming a few bad seeds for all the problems in this world, he is right you cant deny what he said no matter what you think, theres alot of people in cuba that live in such poverty that u dont even see in the worst barrios of the DR, i can guarantee you about 90 percent of cubans wished they were in another country. and the pope is in fact correct, communism hasnt worked for cuba. and fyi i dont like the pope either but he is right nevertheless
Written by: RoyStone, 24 Mar 2012 6:35 PM
From: Australia
"a few bad seeds"?
This whole corrupt organization has been exploiting the poor for centuries, and is determined to continue. They are responsible for much of the misery from over-population, the spread of AIDS from banning condom use, thousands of women suffering and dying from back-yard abortions, the support of despotic dictatorships, people living guilt-ridden lives fearing the fires of hell, and the repression of science and bio-medical research. Yet this hypocrite has the audacity to preach about the failure of Communism. Communism's biggest failure was not stamping out this stupid superstition.
It is a pity there is no hell for them to go to.
From: United States
roy keep in mind, just because someone has a cross on their chest and goes around with a bible doesnt mean they are going to heaven that easily, the messiah himself said that this generation worships him with their lips and not with their hearts meaning even the very people in church are hypocrites, but that doesnt mean all religious people are hypocrites. and how is the church making people poor? is the church the one in the DR gov stealing tax money and spending tax money on mistress and jepetas and expensive villas? show me statistics of how the church makes people poor in corrupt countries such as DR when in faCT you know the problem with poverty comes from corruption in the gov
Written by: RoyStone, 24 Mar 2012 7:49 PM
From: Australia
lsantiago77,
Do you know how many billions of dollars the Vatican is worth? Where did the wealth come from, Jesus? The fact that there is corruption in other places does not absolve the church. Poverty is as a result of overpopulation and ignorance - both promoted by the church.
How has the government made people poor? The common folk here do not pay any income-tax, municipal rates, land tax or rent. They get free healthcare, contraception (that the church forbids them using), education, roads, reticulated water, rubbish collection and heavily subsidized electricity and gas.
Written by: RoyStone, 24 Mar 2012 7:52 PM
From: Australia
"messiah himself said that this generation worships him with their lips and not with their hearts"
The mythical Jesus of the New Testament supposedly lived 2,000 years ago. How would he have known about "this generation"?
Written by: RoyStone, 24 Mar 2012 8:00 PM
From: Australia
The economic situation of Cuba is arguably as a result of the American embargo, not Communism. China has one of the most successful economies in the world, and is also Communist. I am not a fan of Communism, however Christianity and Islam have created more misery than any other "ism" and continues to do so.
The Vatican's hatred of Communism is not because of any economic hardship, but because it challenges people's loyalty to the church not the state. It has happily supported some of the most repressive regimes in history. Robert Mugabe was a very welcome guest of this Hitler Youth Pope Ratzinger, a the recent beatification of Pope John Paul II.
From: United States
roy why do you think every dominican wants to go to the US or europe. because its like hell for them here, do you honestly think a cop for example can feed a family when he makes 120 dollars a month, do you honestly think he can? now how is he poor becuase of the church? its because of the gov, and i know the story about the pope which is why i dont like him, i know they have a lot of money but like i said, just because he has a bible and reads it doesnt mean he is a good guy, same thing as an engineer just because he might have a book about engineering doesnt make him one.
Written by: RoyStone, 24 Mar 2012 9:16 PM
From: Australia
The GDP per capita in the Dominican Republic is very low because the county is grossly overpopulated and it continues. Not only the government is corrupt - corruption is at all levels. People are materialist and status conscious, but getting an education and a good job is not a priority for many. Those who do get and education, can't get a good job without connections or relatives in high places.
Those who can bring about change are leaving the county. Those who can't stay behind and keep breeding like rabbits. This all boils down to the attitude of the people, and ultimately, the Catholic church has been the main culprit in this.
From: Cuba, La Havana, Que Viva La Revolucion
Pope Benedict says communism has failed in Cuba
And I say go screw your self Pope Benedict s and you Bull Shit religion.
How many so called Fathers "Padres" have raped young boys in your churches all around the world and they all walk free.
Burn in hell SOB
From: United States
Communism is not the enemy! Castro is a good guy along with Chavez, and Fernandez,The USA, Australia, and Canada are. Thats why many people in the world, including mostly undesireables, uneducated, and call girls are seeking citizenship in those countries .53% of citizens in USA receive some form of welfare. This is why the people of DR should lobby their politicos to seek to have the DR become a territory of the USA. Plenty of welfare, well fed people, and good roads in Puerto Rico, DR can enjoy the same. All it takes is the people to tell their politicians this is their #1 PRIORITY.
Written by: RoyStone, 24 Mar 2012 11:00 PM
From: Australia
"lobby their politicos to seek to have the DR become a territory of the USA"
Yeah, right!
Why would these politicians sacrifice their status, power and money to make the Dominican Republic an American Commonwealth?
From: United States
ROY, my wife went to La Sirena Grocery Store and she comes home and tells me she paid 300 peso for a cheese we buy. I year ago I paid 159 peso. This country is out of control.
Written by: anthonyC, 25 Mar 2012 1:22 AM
From: United States
F*ck You Benedict.
You and your Vatican scum has legitimized the Murderous Castro Dictatorship in order to protect your holdings on the Island. Even as late as last week you turned over to the state police people who protested for Freedom.
In a way I wish I did believe in your book of lies. If I did believe in the Bible I would be comforted in knowing there is a special place in hell for you and your cronies. Especially Cardinal Jaime Ortega!
Written by: josean, 25 Mar 2012 2:13 AM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
I guess the Pope will not be getting a Gold Watch from APLPHA 66 Watches.Com!
Written by: josean, 25 Mar 2012 2:39 AM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
They Demand that the Pope to take responsibility for child rapists Priests!
Acento.com
Written by: RoyStone, 25 Mar 2012 7:28 AM
From: Australia
bringbacktrujillo,
"You ain't seen nothin' yet"
Just wait until after the election, especially if Hippo gets back in. Stock up on cheese now.
Have you noticed the drop in quality of fruit and vegetables at La Serena? Dreadful!
Written by: RoyStone, 25 Mar 2012 7:36 AM
From: Australia
If Pope Ratzinger is worried about misery in Communist countries, why isn't he protesting in North Korea instead?
Written by: RoyStone, 25 Mar 2012 7:44 AM
From: Australia
"Pope Benedict XVI’s first trip to Mexico is being overshadowed by a book alleging the Catholic Church hid evidence of sex abuse by one of Mexico’s most prominent Roman Catholics. Called ‘The Will Not to Know’, the book details the investigation and alleged cover-up of sexual abuse by a former high-ranking reverend who founded a religious order.
One of its authors, Fernando Gonzalez, claimed the Pope was aware of abuse in Mexico’s Catholic church before 2000.
“Here in Mexico, he will not touch a single Mexican bishop or archbishop. The church has maintained a very low profile here. They are keeping quiet and sweeping the problem under the carpet,” said Gonzalez."
What a nice, holy, man!
Written by: DR_guy, 25 Mar 2012 7:49 AM
From: Dominican Republic
"Pope Benedict says communism has failed in Cuba"
Gee do ya think ?
Brilliant! he figured this out on his own.
Written by: RoyStone, 25 Mar 2012 10:03 AM
From: Australia
The Catholic Church tried to move in when Communism collapsed in the Soviet Union. However they couldn't dislodge the Russian Orthodox Church that already had a very strong foothold. They are still lamenting the Soviet defeat of Hitler who would have imposed Catholicism on the Soviets, (as he did on the Germans), had he not been defeated.
Of course the current Pope (Ratzinger) was only a member of Hitler Youth at the time, but Hitler's Pope Pius XII, who continued in office, was the architect of the 1954 Concordat with the Dominican Government, still in force today.
Written by: Atabey, 25 Mar 2012 11:05 AM
From: United States, NYC
I think that the game the Catholic Church is playing in Cuba is one of time management. They have essentially concluded that in the near term, the Castros and their people will allowed the Church some more room and thus strengthened, the church will rise when the system enters into terminal decline. And absent any Castro in charge, say 5-10 years from now, the Church will be able to maneuver in the POST-CASTRO ERA with a far better position to defend their assets in Cuba. They are essentially betting that that the Castros and the regime will fall, just not yet. Politics, religion and interests all in one.
"If you want to sleep well at night, it's best to avoid watching the making of sausages or politics." Otto Von Bismarck
Written by: RoyStone, 25 Mar 2012 11:14 AM
From: Australia
Very interesting
bringbacktrujillo, makes a comment about the price of cheese and gets a plus. I agree with him and get greyed out. Can someone explain?
Written by: RoyStone, 25 Mar 2012 11:26 AM
From: Australia
Absolutely, Atabey,
then after the fall they will claim credit for it, like they did after the abolition of slavery, after supporting it for centuries. Th Holy Bible, (which, incidentally, was compiled by the Catholic hierarchy at the Council of Nicea in 325) is riddled with passages supporting slavery.
The Vatican now accepts evolution as scientific reality, presumably to make the Evangelist (who still preach creationism) look stupid. Not necessary.
From: United States
roy if you dont know anything about the bible you should stop trying to brainwash everybody's mind with your anti religion comments, if in any case you have read the bible you should know that one of the main principles of the bible is that we should be imitators of our lord Jesus Christ, now if we are to imitate him, answer me this, do you honestly think he would condone slavery? and if so point me to the right passage in the bible thats says so. and for the record roy, it does talk about slavery in the old testament of how you can have someone do work for you if they have a debt with you etc, now that is very different from the type of slavery you see today especially with women being sold as sex slaves etc.
you keep blaming religion because of the actions of a few, its like saying medicine is garbage just because some doctors prescribed the wrong medicine or gave a patient some cheap expired medicine.
From: United States, I dont even live inside a house , I haunt one!
Written by: bringbacktrujillo, 24 Mar 2012 10:24 PM
From: United States
Communism is not the enemy! Castro is a good guy along with Chavez, and Fernandez,The USA, Australia, and Canada are. Thats why many people in the world, including mostly undesireables, uneducated, and call girls are seeking citizenship in those countries .53% of citizens in USA receive some form of welfare. This is why the people of DR should lobby their politicos to seek to have the DR become a territory of the USA. Plenty of welfare, well fed people, and good roads in Puerto Rico, DR can enjoy the same. All it takes is the people to tell their politicians this is their #1 PRIORITY.
ARE YOU CRAZY ???? DOMINICAN REPUBLIC BECOMING OF COMMONWEALTH LMAO NOT IN THIS LIFETIME!
Written by: RoyStone, 25 Mar 2012 1:22 PM
From: Australia
lsantiago77,
Since you are such an expert on the Bible, please quote me the book, chapter and verse where Jesus said the Ten Commandments and the Old Testament are invalid. In his Sermon in the Mount he said the exact opposite. While you are at it, you can you also quote me the book, chapter and verse where Jesus condemns slavery.
From: United States, I dont even live inside a house , I haunt one!
Roy I actually have to agree with you , the pope should take a trip down to china and see how well communism is working for them, it has proven to work in certain countries like china and russia . Im not a fan of communism either , but to say is a complete failured is ignorant on his part , when it comes right down to it also has to with the trade embargo and the fact that cuba is a small island of the americas, comparing countries like cuba and russia its really like comparing with apples and oranges.
Written by: RoyStone, 25 Mar 2012 2:46 PM
From: Australia
hellborn25,
There are some interesting parallels between the Soviet era and the Trujillo era. Certainly Trujillo was a despotic dictator and it was very dangerous to oppose him, however he was good for infrastructure, the economy and law and order, as was the case in the Soviet era. I have spent a lot of time in post-Soviet Russia, Ukraine and Belarus, and for many people, they were better off under Communism.
One big difference was the Soviet Union was very supportive of education, science and secularism, whereas Trujillo was suspicious of intellectuals and academics, and supported the Catholic church, as evidenced by the Concordat of 1954.
Also the Soviet Union was the only country in recent history to rival the USA in the space race and military power.
Written by: RoyStone, 25 Mar 2012 3:31 PM
From: Australia
hellborn25,
I don't think the Pope is ignorant at all.
He has some of the best informed people on his advisory staff.
He is just a bold-faced liar, plain and simple.
He knows damn well he was lying when on a recent visit to the UK when he said Adolf Hitler was an Atheist. He knows damn well that he was a devout Catholic, highly supportive of and by the Vatican, and was never during his life-time or posthumously excommunicated. The only Nazi war criminal to ever be excommunicated was Joseph Goebbels - for marrying a Protestant.
Written by: Vivacuba, 25 Mar 2012 10:07 PM
From: Dominican Republic
If this guy is not a Globalist, I do not know who is
Written by: RoyStone, 25 Mar 2012 10:26 PM
From: Australia
Vivacuba, according to Wikipedia,
"Globalism can have at least two different and opposing meanings. One meaning is the attitude or policy of placing the interests of the entire world above those of individual nations. Another is viewing the entire world as a proper sphere for one nation to project political influence."
Pope Ratzinger meets the second definition, but only when you accept the ridiculous idea that the Vatican is a "nation". Unfortunately many countries and organizations treat it as such, which gives this human-rights criminal, diplomatic immunity from prosecution, as head of this phony state, created by the Fascist tyrant Benito Mussolini in 1929 in the Lateran Treaty.
Written by: Atabey, 26 Mar 2012 8:03 AM
From: United States, NYC
"There are some interesting parallels between the Soviet era and the Trujillo era. Certainly Trujillo was a despotic dictator and it was very dangerous to oppose him, however he was good for infrastructure, the economy and law and order, as was the case in the Soviet era."
Roy,
Do yourself some good and read
Foundations of Despotism: Peasants, the Trujillo Regime, and Modernity in Dominican History
by Richard Lee Turtis
It investigates the social foundations of Trujillos exceptionally enduring and brutal dictatorship (1930-1961) and, more broadly, the way power is sustained in such non-democratic regimes.
The author reveals how the seemingly unilateral imposition of power by Trujillo in fact depended on the regimes mediation of profound social and economic transformations, especially through agrarian policies that assisted the nations large independent peasantry. By promoting an alternative modernity that sustained peasants free access to land during a period of
Written by: Atabey, 26 Mar 2012 8:04 AM
From: United States, NYC
economic growth, the regime secured peasant support as well as backing from certain elite sectors. This book thus elucidates for the first time the hidden foundations of the Trujillo regime."
There's also a 20 page paper that incorporates several leading theories on Trujillo. The gist of the take is that Trujillo initially orchestrated a national building project with peasant and even middle class support that later, under the greed of huge Sugar earnings Trujillo backtracked and abandoned his popular and board scale development initiatives. His need to remove small farmers from lands to dedicate to sugar production and his all out effort to secure favorable USA Sugar concessions were pivotal in the demise of the board developmental model he had initiated back in the early years of his reign. An interesting read.
Written by: Atabey, 26 Mar 2012 8:21 AM
From: United States, NYC
Roy,
This is the 20 page paper I was referring to. Short and to the point.
Development and the Trujillo Era: The Detrimental Effects of Sugar and an Export-Oriented Economy
By Lindsay Jones
An interesting read guys and ONLY 19 pages long A few minutes of your Sunday afternoon will bring greater understanding of the issue at hand. In a nutshell, the first 20 years of the dictatorship were positive with the final 10 years-roughly speaking once Trujillo decided to go full blast for Sugar Dominance, reversed the tangible and real uplift given to many poorer members of the society and the growing professional class. Dready please pay extra attention to the puny numbers associated with the professional class and the fact that there was only one University in the DR with ONLY 3, 500 students for the entire nation at the time of his assassination.
Enjoy the reading.
Written by: RoyStone, 26 Mar 2012 9:18 AM
From: Australia
Thanks, Atabey,
I haven't read it yet, but I will say already that it underscores my point that benevolent dictators don't stay benevolent for long.
Also I don't believe dictators create their dictatorships, the country does. They just happen to be the most "qualified" person to take the position. Germany, after WW1 and the Reparations, was crying out for a Hitler and a Nazi party, and they got one, and being Germans, produced the "best" (read worst) in the world.
Just like Hitler, Trujillo was endorsed by the Catholic church until it was clear his days were numbered.
From: United States, I dont even live inside a house , I haunt one!
hellborn25,
I don't think the Pope is ignorant at all.
He has some of the best informed people on his advisory staff.
He is just a bold-faced liar, plain and simple.
He knows damn well he was lying when on a recent visit to the UK when he said Adolf Hitler was an Atheist. He knows damn well that he was a devout Catholic, highly supportive of and by the Vatican, and was never during his life-time or posthumously excommunicated. The only Nazi war criminal to ever be excommunicated was Joseph Goebbels - for marrying a Protestant.
Roy thats not suprising , this pope was supposely a former nazi guard in world war 2 , kinda makes you wonder how this ahole got in power , who knows what he had to do to get there?
Written by: RoyStone, 26 Mar 2012 10:17 AM
From: Australia
I do not think Ratzinger was a former Nazi guard in WW2 - unlike one of his predecessors, Hitler's Pope (Pius XII), he was too young and just a member of the Hitler Youth movement.
"Should Pope Benedict XVI be held responsible for the escalating scandals over clerical sexual abuse in Europe?" Yes he should, and it's going to escalate a lot further, as more and more victims break through the guilt of their childhood indoctrination and come forward.
"Should he be investigated for how cases of abuse were handled under his watch as archbishop of Munich or as the Vatican's chief doctrinal enforcer?" Yes, of course he should. This former head of the Inquisition should be arrested the moment he dares to set foot outside his tinpot fiefdom of the Vatican, and he should be tried in an appropriate civil - not ecclesiastical - court. That's what should happen. Sadly, we all know our faith-befuddled governments will be too craven to do it."
- Professor Richard Dawkins
The Washington Post
Written by: RoyStone, 26 Mar 2012 10:22 AM
From: Australia
As the College of Cardinals must have recognized when they elected him, he is perfectly - ideally - qualified to lead the Roman Catholic Church. A leering old villain in a frock, who spent decades conspiring behind closed doors for the position he now holds; a man who believes he is infallible and acts the part; a man whose preaching of scientific falsehood is responsible for the deaths of countless AIDS victims in Africa; a man whose first instinct when his priests are caught with their pants down is to cover up the scandal and damn the young victims to silence: in short, exactly the right man for the job.
He is perfectly positioned to accelerate the downfall of the evil, corrupt organization whose character he fits like a glove, and of which he is the absolute and historically appropriate monarch.
Written by: RoyStone, 26 Mar 2012 10:23 AM
From: Australia
He should remain in charge of the whole rotten edifice - the whole profiteering, woman-fearing, guilt-gorging, truth-hating, child-raping institution - while it tumbles, amid a stench of incense and a rain of tourist-kitsch sacred hearts and preposterously crowned virgins, about his ears.
Written by: josean, 26 Mar 2012 11:04 AM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
There you go Roy now you made the Vatican mad:
”Vatican accuses of "aggression" the victims of pedophile priests”
INTERNACIONAL. EDITORIAL-The leader of the Roman Catholic Church, Joseph Ratzinger, Pope Benedict XVI concluded his visit to Mexico without honoring the requests of hundreds of victims of rape committed by priests and nuns to meet with them.
The Vatican spokesman, Federico Lombardi, accused of "aggression" the rape victims of Father Marcial Maciel, founder of the Legionaries of Christ, who insisted on being heard by the pontiff.
Acento.com
Vaticano acusa de “agresividad” a víctimas de los curas pederastas
Cientos de abusos sexuales cometió el fundador de los Legionarios de Cristo, el mexicano Marcial Maciel, quien sólo recibió una sanción eclesial
26 de marzo del 2012
Written by: josean, 26 Mar 2012 11:12 AM
From: United States, Fighting the Dictatorship of the Narco PLD Mafia; Guillermo Moreno President 2016
Roy today is bonus day for you:
"Philadelphia priest abuse trial to open, targeting archdiocese's higher-up"
By Ross Levitt and Susan Candiotti, CNN
(CNN) – Opening arguments are scheduled for Monday in Philadelphia in the first case in which an official of a Roman Catholic archdiocese has been accused of protecting abusive priests by moving them from parish to parish.
CNN
Written by: Yucahu, 26 Mar 2012 1:14 PM
From: United States, Miami
Wow, when the dark lord of the sith Palpatine makes an utterance Roy Stone gets all excited. The DR is not overpopulated, people choose to live on top of one another because they want to. The country was mostly rural before CAPITALISTS, started gobbling up all the rural people's land. They naturally migrated to the cities causing what we see today. Jesus owned no slaves and called everyone brother and sister. Plus he said call NO ONE, father. For the ONLY FATHER, we have is the one up above. Also st. Paul spoke about slavery in the book of Acts of the Apostols. Look it up Roy, you like to read.
From: United States
says Yucahu
. The country was mostly rural before CAPITALISTS, started gobbling up all the rural people's land.
yes, before we had coastal drift, with everyone running from the hinterland, to get a piece of the Yankee Dollar of tourism. then came the construction bubble, and escalating real estate prices. let me stop, before i start.
From: Dominican Republic, I dislike all politicians and their afiliated parties... "I simply say it AS IT IS!!"
RoyStone,
An inbred caveman-neandrathal Dominican will never understand what you are talking about or referring to. Their social-mental behaviour dictates all their angles in life. That's right!! - the good smart Dominicans flee the country to find the true light, those left behind blind themselves in hopeless delights - sex, bachata, beers, drugs, crime, the easy life. Not knowing that the only outcome is a dumpster like DR.
Written by: RoyStone, 26 Mar 2012 5:33 PM
From: Australia
Love your jokes, Yucahu!
You were joking weren't you?
Hey, I loved the one about "The DR is not overpopulated" - had me rolling on the floor!
I'm still waiting for santiago77 to give me the reference where Jesus said anything against slavery. Seems when faced with coming up with the proof, like most Xtains, he's vanished. Maybe you can oblige?
Written by: RoyStone, 26 Mar 2012 5:36 PM
From: Australia
"When a man sells his daughter as a slave, she will not be freed at the end of six years as the men are. If she does not please the man who bought her, he may allow her to be bought back again. But he is not allowed to sell her to foreigners, since he is the one who broke the contract with her. And if the slave girl's owner arranges for her to marry his son, he may no longer treat her as a slave girl, but he must treat her as his daughter. If he himself marries her and then takes another wife, he may not reduce her food or clothing or fail to sleep with her as his wife. If he fails in any of these three ways, she may leave as a free woman without making any payment."
Exodus 21:7-11
Written by: RoyStone, 26 Mar 2012 5:36 PM
From: Australia
"However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way." Leviticus 25:44-46
Written by: RoyStone, 26 Mar 2012 5:37 PM
From: Australia
Yucahu,
You'll need to give the book, chapter and verse. I always do.
Written by: RoyStone, 26 Mar 2012 5:39 PM
From: Australia
Now here's one of my favorites;
"When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property."
Exodus 21:20-21
Written by: RoyStone, 26 Mar 2012 5:46 PM
From: Australia
The usual Christian excuse is "oh, that's the Old Testament - Jesus changed all that!"
Really?
Well these are from the New Testament;
"Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ."
Ephesians 6:5
Jesus also said
"The slave will be severely punished, for though he knew his duty, he refused to do it. But people who are not aware that they are doing wrong will be punished only lightly. Much is required from those to whom much is given, and much more is required from those to whom much more is given."
Luke 12:47-48
Written by: RoyStone, 26 Mar 2012 5:50 PM
From: Australia
Jesus also said
"Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them."
1 Timothy 6:1-2
Written by: RoyStone, 26 Mar 2012 6:00 PM
From: Australia
josean,
How dare these rape victims of Mexican Catholic priests insist on meeting with Joseph Ratzinger, Pope Benedict XVI!
He's a busy man, and already knows this stuff, since before before becoming Pope, Cardinal Ratzinger was in charge of the department that was involved with covering-up these practices and moving these pedophile priests to new diocese with a fresh batch of choir-boys to give their holy "love".
Written by: RoyStone, 26 Mar 2012 10:50 PM
From: Australia
The Catholic Church tried to move in when Communism collapsed in the Soviet Union. However they couldn't dislodge the Russian Orthodox Church that already had a very strong foothold. They are still lamenting the Soviet defeat of Hitler who would have imposed Catholicism on the Soviets, (as he did on the Germans), had he not been defeated.
Of course the current Pope (Ratzinger) was only a member of Hitler Youth at the time, but Hitler's Pope Pius XII, who continued in office, was the architect of the 1954 Concordat with the Dominican Government, still in force today.
Written by: Rainman, 28 Mar 2012 6:47 PM
From: United States
I am amazed to see how some people try to justified an oppressing regime that has lasted over 5 decades, is it a dictatorship of course it is. The embargo is not the cause of the cuban problems the existing system is, Castro has always needed an enemy and without it he is nothing, Cuba can commerce with everyone in the world, so why not do so? simple they dont pay their debts.
Do you all know there are two social classes in Cuba (regardless of what Castro says) the Political Elite and their families and then the rest. The first has everything money, cars, houses, trips while the people starve, a medical doctor makes the equivalent of $20.00 US a month, while a lawyer has to either prostitute herself or work as a cab driver get the dollars to support their family. Of course is a lot easier to defend a system from outside one that most of you dont know anything about .
Written by: Pepe32, 7 Apr 2012 3:51 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Very typical in DT, the Pope states an obvious fact and idiots like Roystone attack the Church ,as far as Roy is concerned everything is the fault of the Church but the topic is totally ignored and it is COMMUNISM has failed and it will always fail ,Castro is a tyrant and heads a murderous regime but why should we discuss the subject at hand when for people like Roystone there are only 2 subjects ,the Catholic Church and the Dominican Republic and its people and in his bile filled invective the are all bad yet somehow this hypocritical fool decides to live in a country full of DOMINICAN CATHOLICS!!!
Written by: RoyStone, 7 Apr 2012 4:18 PM
From: Australia
Sorry, Pepe32,
but the article is not about Communism per-se, it's about Pope Ratzinger's comment on it. As far as this being a country full of Catholics, they are converting to Evangelism faster than they are converting from gasoline to liquid propane.
The Pope is offering Cuba an economic model as an alternative to Communism, which he says is a failure. Tell that to Capitalist Italy and Communist China. China is one of the most successful and fastest growing economies in the world. Italy is in such a bad shape they are looking at ways of taxing the Vatican to bail them out.
Written by: Vivacuba, 8 Apr 2012 8:01 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Italy is in such bad shape and getting worse because the globalists installed Goldman Sachs puppet, Mario Monti to finish the takedown of Italy in a controlled smooth, slick, fashion.
Written by: RoyStone, 8 Apr 2012 8:53 AM
From: Australia
So Italy is a victim of a conspiracy, Vivacuba?
Maybe that's what's happened to Haiti too?
Written by: Vivacuba, 8 Apr 2012 9:40 AM
From: Dominican Republic
This globalist SOB mouthpiece sure is vocal lately. Appears to have been provided a script from evil people with an agenda
Written by: Pepe32, 9 Apr 2012 10:50 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Sorry Roy ,the subject is still about the failure of communism ...now you may agree with that or you might sympathise with communism and disagree but the responses are on that subject yet your sick hatred forces you to respond as you do which begs the question WTF are you doing in DR??
Now one of the posters said that you are married to a Haitian woman ( or guy since Brits are known to lean that way)which might explain one side of your hatred and being a British subject which would explain your visceral anti-Catholicism yet somehow you are here in this forum spreading your brand of hate .
Hopefully it won't take you as long as Chavez to realise how wrong you are ...
Written by: RoyStone, 9 Apr 2012 11:28 PM
From: Australia
Pepe32,
No, the article was about the Pope promoting the Vatican's involvement in Cuba, and condemning Communism, hence my comments are relevant. I am not a supporter of communism. Regarding my involvement in he Dominican Republic, I have already provided a full explanation on the forum. Now if I am "wrong" then provide evidence. Are you suggesting being British subject makes me thus, and that Chavez is "right"? I beg to differ.
Written by: Pepe32, 10 Apr 2012 7:11 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Roy ,by now most in this forum know your game. If you responded as you do in one post then perhaps you would be simply voicing your opinion but as I stated previously you only have two subjects and those are your disdain for Dominican Republic and your hatred for the Catholic church and no matter what the subject is you find a way to malign one or the other if not both .And being a subject of one of the most racist empires in history and anti-Catholic does have a bearing just like vivacuba who hates the Church because he is a commie!
Now I will not waste my time in a tit for tat because I am more interested in my countrymen knowing what kind of an individual you are and not in a continuous banter. Your false "decency" fools nobody and we know your agenda and your reasons ..
Written by: Vivacuba, 12 Apr 2012 8:20 AM
From: Dominican Republic
Roy, Tell the Italians they are living in a conspiracy. $12 USD gasoline.
Written by: RoyStone, 12 Apr 2012 11:27 AM
From: Australia
"subject of one of the most racist empires in history"?
Australia (and New Zealand for that matter) have had a number of indigenous members of parliament, with indigenous surnames. The Australian government has paid out millions in compensation, and has formally and undeservedly apologized to indigenous Australians over their alleged treatment by British colonialists, long before I was born.
How many indigenous Dominicans (Tainos) with Taino surnames have there even been in your congress? None, of course, since your colonial masters exterminated all of them. Your president exterminated about 20,000 people, purely on the basis of race (pronunciation of perejil) as recently as the 20th century. Too late to compensate the Tainos, but not too late to apologize.
Many Dominicans brag about having Spanish surnames. Australians don't brag about having British surnames. We are all just Australians, regardless of race, color, ethnicity or ancestry.
So who's the racist?
Written by: RoyStone, 12 Apr 2012 11:36 AM
From: Australia
As far as Catholicism is concerned, Australia now has more Catholics than Anglicans. However like most enlightened, peaceful countries atheists and agnostics outnumber both.
Yet my dislike of religion is not confined to Catholicism. Despite its atrocious history, Nowadays fundamentalist Evangelism is arguably doing more damage in the USA, and Islam worldwide. This country has been spared Islamic fundamentalism since the are not interested in such an insignificant poor country - yet.
Written by: RoyStone, 12 Apr 2012 11:39 AM
From: Australia
It is also interesting to note many DT posters hatred of the USA, yet this country is totally dependent on that country economically through loans, tourism and diaspora employment, and for defense.
Written by: Vivacuba, 12 Apr 2012 12:35 PM
From: Dominican Republic
This country has become dependent on the IMF & world bank by having "loans" shoved down its throat. Who controls the IMF & world bank? why none other than uncle sammy. The "people" do not want this. Imperialism at its height
Written by: RoyStone, 12 Apr 2012 12:43 PM
From: Australia
Vivacuba, maybe the people don't want the loans (I don't think they really know or care) but they still want free water, medical care, government hand-outs, heavily subsidized electricity and gas, free education (including a meal and uniform), no municipal rates or income tax, and to not have to work much or at all, so where else is the money going to come from, Jesus or winning at the banca?
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So have the Vatican's favorite political systems, Fascism and Nazism.
This whole corrupt organization has been exploiting the poor for centuries, and is determined to continue. They are responsible for much of the misery from over-population, the spread of AIDS from banning condom use, thousands of women suffering and dying from back-yard abortions, the support of despotic dictatorships, people living guilt-ridden lives fearing the fires of hell, and the repression of science and bio-medical research. Yet this hypocrite has the audacity to preach about the failure of Communism. Communism's biggest failure was not stamping out this stupid superstition.
It is a pity there is no hell for them to go to.
Do you know how many billions of dollars the Vatican is worth? Where did the wealth come from, Jesus? The fact that there is corruption in other places does not absolve the church. Poverty is as a result of overpopulation and ignorance - both promoted by the church.
How has the government made people poor? The common folk here do not pay any income-tax, municipal rates, land tax or rent. They get free healthcare, contraception (that the church forbids them using), education, roads, reticulated water, rubbish collection and heavily subsidized electricity and gas.
The mythical Jesus of the New Testament supposedly lived 2,000 years ago. How would he have known about "this generation"?
The Vatican's hatred of Communism is not because of any economic hardship, but because it challenges people's loyalty to the church not the state. It has happily supported some of the most repressive regimes in history. Robert Mugabe was a very welcome guest of this Hitler Youth Pope Ratzinger, a the recent beatification of Pope John Paul II.
Those who can bring about change are leaving the county. Those who can't stay behind and keep breeding like rabbits. This all boils down to the attitude of the people, and ultimately, the Catholic church has been the main culprit in this.
Pope Benedict says communism has failed in Cuba
And I say go screw your self Pope Benedict s and you Bull Shit religion.
How many so called Fathers "Padres" have raped young boys in your churches all around the world and they all walk free.
Burn in hell SOB
Yeah, right!
Why would these politicians sacrifice their status, power and money to make the Dominican Republic an American Commonwealth?
You and your Vatican scum has legitimized the Murderous Castro Dictatorship in order to protect your holdings on the Island. Even as late as last week you turned over to the state police people who protested for Freedom.
In a way I wish I did believe in your book of lies. If I did believe in the Bible I would be comforted in knowing there is a special place in hell for you and your cronies. Especially Cardinal Jaime Ortega!
I guess the Pope will not be getting a Gold Watch from APLPHA 66 Watches.Com!
They Demand that the Pope to take responsibility for child rapists Priests!
Acento.com
"You ain't seen nothin' yet"
Just wait until after the election, especially if Hippo gets back in. Stock up on cheese now.
Have you noticed the drop in quality of fruit and vegetables at La Serena? Dreadful!
One of its authors, Fernando Gonzalez, claimed the Pope was aware of abuse in Mexico’s Catholic church before 2000.
“Here in Mexico, he will not touch a single Mexican bishop or archbishop. The church has maintained a very low profile here. They are keeping quiet and sweeping the problem under the carpet,” said Gonzalez."
What a nice, holy, man!
Gee do ya think ?
Brilliant! he figured this out on his own.
Of course the current Pope (Ratzinger) was only a member of Hitler Youth at the time, but Hitler's Pope Pius XII, who continued in office, was the architect of the 1954 Concordat with the Dominican Government, still in force today.
"If you want to sleep well at night, it's best to avoid watching the making of sausages or politics." Otto Von Bismarck
bringbacktrujillo, makes a comment about the price of cheese and gets a plus. I agree with him and get greyed out. Can someone explain?
then after the fall they will claim credit for it, like they did after the abolition of slavery, after supporting it for centuries. Th Holy Bible, (which, incidentally, was compiled by the Catholic hierarchy at the Council of Nicea in 325) is riddled with passages supporting slavery.
The Vatican now accepts evolution as scientific reality, presumably to make the Evangelist (who still preach creationism) look stupid. Not necessary.
you keep blaming religion because of the actions of a few, its like saying medicine is garbage just because some doctors prescribed the wrong medicine or gave a patient some cheap expired medicine.
From: United States
Communism is not the enemy! Castro is a good guy along with Chavez, and Fernandez,The USA, Australia, and Canada are. Thats why many people in the world, including mostly undesireables, uneducated, and call girls are seeking citizenship in those countries .53% of citizens in USA receive some form of welfare. This is why the people of DR should lobby their politicos to seek to have the DR become a territory of the USA. Plenty of welfare, well fed people, and good roads in Puerto Rico, DR can enjoy the same. All it takes is the people to tell their politicians this is their #1 PRIORITY.
ARE YOU CRAZY ???? DOMINICAN REPUBLIC BECOMING OF COMMONWEALTH LMAO NOT IN THIS LIFETIME!
Since you are such an expert on the Bible, please quote me the book, chapter and verse where Jesus said the Ten Commandments and the Old Testament are invalid. In his Sermon in the Mount he said the exact opposite. While you are at it, you can you also quote me the book, chapter and verse where Jesus condemns slavery.
There are some interesting parallels between the Soviet era and the Trujillo era. Certainly Trujillo was a despotic dictator and it was very dangerous to oppose him, however he was good for infrastructure, the economy and law and order, as was the case in the Soviet era. I have spent a lot of time in post-Soviet Russia, Ukraine and Belarus, and for many people, they were better off under Communism.
One big difference was the Soviet Union was very supportive of education, science and secularism, whereas Trujillo was suspicious of intellectuals and academics, and supported the Catholic church, as evidenced by the Concordat of 1954.
Also the Soviet Union was the only country in recent history to rival the USA in the space race and military power.
I don't think the Pope is ignorant at all.
He has some of the best informed people on his advisory staff.
He is just a bold-faced liar, plain and simple.
He knows damn well he was lying when on a recent visit to the UK when he said Adolf Hitler was an Atheist. He knows damn well that he was a devout Catholic, highly supportive of and by the Vatican, and was never during his life-time or posthumously excommunicated. The only Nazi war criminal to ever be excommunicated was Joseph Goebbels - for marrying a Protestant.
"Globalism can have at least two different and opposing meanings. One meaning is the attitude or policy of placing the interests of the entire world above those of individual nations. Another is viewing the entire world as a proper sphere for one nation to project political influence."
Pope Ratzinger meets the second definition, but only when you accept the ridiculous idea that the Vatican is a "nation". Unfortunately many countries and organizations treat it as such, which gives this human-rights criminal, diplomatic immunity from prosecution, as head of this phony state, created by the Fascist tyrant Benito Mussolini in 1929 in the Lateran Treaty.
"There are some interesting parallels between the Soviet era and the Trujillo era. Certainly Trujillo was a despotic dictator and it was very dangerous to oppose him, however he was good for infrastructure, the economy and law and order, as was the case in the Soviet era."
Roy,
Do yourself some good and read
Foundations of Despotism: Peasants, the Trujillo Regime, and Modernity in Dominican History
by Richard Lee Turtis
It investigates the social foundations of Trujillos exceptionally enduring and brutal dictatorship (1930-1961) and, more broadly, the way power is sustained in such non-democratic regimes.
The author reveals how the seemingly unilateral imposition of power by Trujillo in fact depended on the regimes mediation of profound social and economic transformations, especially through agrarian policies that assisted the nations large independent peasantry. By promoting an alternative modernity that sustained peasants free access to land during a period of
economic growth, the regime secured peasant support as well as backing from certain elite sectors. This book thus elucidates for the first time the hidden foundations of the Trujillo regime."
There's also a 20 page paper that incorporates several leading theories on Trujillo. The gist of the take is that Trujillo initially orchestrated a national building project with peasant and even middle class support that later, under the greed of huge Sugar earnings Trujillo backtracked and abandoned his popular and board scale development initiatives. His need to remove small farmers from lands to dedicate to sugar production and his all out effort to secure favorable USA Sugar concessions were pivotal in the demise of the board developmental model he had initiated back in the early years of his reign. An interesting read.
This is the 20 page paper I was referring to. Short and to the point.
Development and the Trujillo Era: The Detrimental Effects of Sugar and an Export-Oriented Economy
By Lindsay Jones
An interesting read guys and ONLY 19 pages long A few minutes of your Sunday afternoon will bring greater understanding of the issue at hand. In a nutshell, the first 20 years of the dictatorship were positive with the final 10 years-roughly speaking once Trujillo decided to go full blast for Sugar Dominance, reversed the tangible and real uplift given to many poorer members of the society and the growing professional class. Dready please pay extra attention to the puny numbers associated with the professional class and the fact that there was only one University in the DR with ONLY 3, 500 students for the entire nation at the time of his assassination.
Enjoy the reading.
I haven't read it yet, but I will say already that it underscores my point that benevolent dictators don't stay benevolent for long.
Also I don't believe dictators create their dictatorships, the country does. They just happen to be the most "qualified" person to take the position. Germany, after WW1 and the Reparations, was crying out for a Hitler and a Nazi party, and they got one, and being Germans, produced the "best" (read worst) in the world.
Just like Hitler, Trujillo was endorsed by the Catholic church until it was clear his days were numbered.
I don't think the Pope is ignorant at all.
He has some of the best informed people on his advisory staff.
He is just a bold-faced liar, plain and simple.
He knows damn well he was lying when on a recent visit to the UK when he said Adolf Hitler was an Atheist. He knows damn well that he was a devout Catholic, highly supportive of and by the Vatican, and was never during his life-time or posthumously excommunicated. The only Nazi war criminal to ever be excommunicated was Joseph Goebbels - for marrying a Protestant.
Roy thats not suprising , this pope was supposely a former nazi guard in world war 2 , kinda makes you wonder how this ahole got in power , who knows what he had to do to get there?
"Should Pope Benedict XVI be held responsible for the escalating scandals over clerical sexual abuse in Europe?" Yes he should, and it's going to escalate a lot further, as more and more victims break through the guilt of their childhood indoctrination and come forward.
"Should he be investigated for how cases of abuse were handled under his watch as archbishop of Munich or as the Vatican's chief doctrinal enforcer?" Yes, of course he should. This former head of the Inquisition should be arrested the moment he dares to set foot outside his tinpot fiefdom of the Vatican, and he should be tried in an appropriate civil - not ecclesiastical - court. That's what should happen. Sadly, we all know our faith-befuddled governments will be too craven to do it."
- Professor Richard Dawkins
The Washington Post
He is perfectly positioned to accelerate the downfall of the evil, corrupt organization whose character he fits like a glove, and of which he is the absolute and historically appropriate monarch.
There you go Roy now you made the Vatican mad:
”Vatican accuses of "aggression" the victims of pedophile priests”
INTERNACIONAL. EDITORIAL-The leader of the Roman Catholic Church, Joseph Ratzinger, Pope Benedict XVI concluded his visit to Mexico without honoring the requests of hundreds of victims of rape committed by priests and nuns to meet with them.
The Vatican spokesman, Federico Lombardi, accused of "aggression" the rape victims of Father Marcial Maciel, founder of the Legionaries of Christ, who insisted on being heard by the pontiff.
Acento.com
Vaticano acusa de “agresividad” a víctimas de los curas pederastas
Cientos de abusos sexuales cometió el fundador de los Legionarios de Cristo, el mexicano Marcial Maciel, quien sólo recibió una sanción eclesial
26 de marzo del 2012
Roy today is bonus day for you:
"Philadelphia priest abuse trial to open, targeting archdiocese's higher-up"
By Ross Levitt and Susan Candiotti, CNN
(CNN) – Opening arguments are scheduled for Monday in Philadelphia in the first case in which an official of a Roman Catholic archdiocese has been accused of protecting abusive priests by moving them from parish to parish.
CNN
. The country was mostly rural before CAPITALISTS, started gobbling up all the rural people's land.
yes, before we had coastal drift, with everyone running from the hinterland, to get a piece of the Yankee Dollar of tourism. then came the construction bubble, and escalating real estate prices. let me stop, before i start.
An inbred caveman-neandrathal Dominican will never understand what you are talking about or referring to. Their social-mental behaviour dictates all their angles in life. That's right!! - the good smart Dominicans flee the country to find the true light, those left behind blind themselves in hopeless delights - sex, bachata, beers, drugs, crime, the easy life. Not knowing that the only outcome is a dumpster like DR.
You were joking weren't you?
Hey, I loved the one about "The DR is not overpopulated" - had me rolling on the floor!
I'm still waiting for santiago77 to give me the reference where Jesus said anything against slavery. Seems when faced with coming up with the proof, like most Xtains, he's vanished. Maybe you can oblige?
Exodus 21:7-11
You'll need to give the book, chapter and verse. I always do.
"When a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod so hard that the slave dies under his hand, he shall be punished. If, however, the slave survives for a day or two, he is not to be punished, since the slave is his own property."
Exodus 21:20-21
Really?
Well these are from the New Testament;
"Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ."
Ephesians 6:5
Jesus also said
"The slave will be severely punished, for though he knew his duty, he refused to do it. But people who are not aware that they are doing wrong will be punished only lightly. Much is required from those to whom much is given, and much more is required from those to whom much more is given."
Luke 12:47-48
"Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them."
1 Timothy 6:1-2
How dare these rape victims of Mexican Catholic priests insist on meeting with Joseph Ratzinger, Pope Benedict XVI!
He's a busy man, and already knows this stuff, since before before becoming Pope, Cardinal Ratzinger was in charge of the department that was involved with covering-up these practices and moving these pedophile priests to new diocese with a fresh batch of choir-boys to give their holy "love".
Of course the current Pope (Ratzinger) was only a member of Hitler Youth at the time, but Hitler's Pope Pius XII, who continued in office, was the architect of the 1954 Concordat with the Dominican Government, still in force today.
Do you all know there are two social classes in Cuba (regardless of what Castro says) the Political Elite and their families and then the rest. The first has everything money, cars, houses, trips while the people starve, a medical doctor makes the equivalent of $20.00 US a month, while a lawyer has to either prostitute herself or work as a cab driver get the dollars to support their family. Of course is a lot easier to defend a system from outside one that most of you dont know anything about .
but the article is not about Communism per-se, it's about Pope Ratzinger's comment on it. As far as this being a country full of Catholics, they are converting to Evangelism faster than they are converting from gasoline to liquid propane.
The Pope is offering Cuba an economic model as an alternative to Communism, which he says is a failure. Tell that to Capitalist Italy and Communist China. China is one of the most successful and fastest growing economies in the world. Italy is in such a bad shape they are looking at ways of taxing the Vatican to bail them out.
Maybe that's what's happened to Haiti too?
Now one of the posters said that you are married to a Haitian woman ( or guy since Brits are known to lean that way)which might explain one side of your hatred and being a British subject which would explain your visceral anti-Catholicism yet somehow you are here in this forum spreading your brand of hate .
Hopefully it won't take you as long as Chavez to realise how wrong you are ...
No, the article was about the Pope promoting the Vatican's involvement in Cuba, and condemning Communism, hence my comments are relevant. I am not a supporter of communism. Regarding my involvement in he Dominican Republic, I have already provided a full explanation on the forum. Now if I am "wrong" then provide evidence. Are you suggesting being British subject makes me thus, and that Chavez is "right"? I beg to differ.
Now I will not waste my time in a tit for tat because I am more interested in my countrymen knowing what kind of an individual you are and not in a continuous banter. Your false "decency" fools nobody and we know your agenda and your reasons ..
Australia (and New Zealand for that matter) have had a number of indigenous members of parliament, with indigenous surnames. The Australian government has paid out millions in compensation, and has formally and undeservedly apologized to indigenous Australians over their alleged treatment by British colonialists, long before I was born.
How many indigenous Dominicans (Tainos) with Taino surnames have there even been in your congress? None, of course, since your colonial masters exterminated all of them. Your president exterminated about 20,000 people, purely on the basis of race (pronunciation of perejil) as recently as the 20th century. Too late to compensate the Tainos, but not too late to apologize.
Many Dominicans brag about having Spanish surnames. Australians don't brag about having British surnames. We are all just Australians, regardless of race, color, ethnicity or ancestry.
So who's the racist?
Yet my dislike of religion is not confined to Catholicism. Despite its atrocious history, Nowadays fundamentalist Evangelism is arguably doing more damage in the USA, and Islam worldwide. This country has been spared Islamic fundamentalism since the are not interested in such an insignificant poor country - yet.