From: United States
is this stuff rocket science? i mean, what is so difficult about getting a list of pesticides banned in the target market, and refraining from their useages? can anything be simpler? do these guys have sh*t for brains?
Written by: Atabey, 3 Mar 2012 10:32 AM
From: United States, NYC
Dready,
Apparently the problem is FAR from being a DR issue with both Brazil and CANADA! being worse offenders.
From: United States
so what? does that disqualify us from offender status? do we simply excuse our failings by asserting that others are guilty, too? what is your point?
From: United States
as a little aside, Atabey. just in case you are not paying close attention, Brazil, and moreso Canada, stand to lose far less than we do, in situations such as these.
Written by: danny00, 3 Mar 2012 4:13 PM
From: United States, syosset, key west, santo domingo AND NOW THE GLOBE TROTTER
one mayor problem with dominicans is that they always answer their problems with a
'well it happens in other countries also"
i have a better idea why not say "but is does not happen in the dr"?
think the country will grow faster and stronger this way.
Written by: danny00, 3 Mar 2012 4:16 PM
From: United States, syosset, key west, santo domingo AND NOW THE GLOBE TROTTER
i live in florida, last year i saw some fruits and other products in the top supermarket "public" imported from the dr.
this year they are all missing, but many fruits and veg's from brazil, peru and chile.
wonder what happen to the dr imports?
From: United States
dread--
those chemicals are banned from usage in the USA--that's why the producers moved to Central and South America where they do what they want to produce juice they send back to the good ol'USA. Remember the tainted apple juice China sent us? It was labeled by major names we grew up on.
Bottom line is not to drink juice unless you grew and squeezed the fruit, try to eat "one step", that is grown in the ground, picked and you eat it (don't buy GMO fruit and veggies in the stores)--go to a farmer's market or if you're in the DR (lucky you), there's plenty growing around you..
The food in the USA is all "modified, radiated, tainted crap" anymore--I try not to eat anything from a box, a bag or that is processed--The only Dominican import I find is Presidente! 12-pack is $9.99US
From: Dominican Republic, Puerto Plata
Where in the he.ll does Canada have orange plantations??
Written by: RoyStone, 4 Mar 2012 4:34 AM
From: Australia
If "Carbendazim is considered safe for dozens of other crops sold in the US, including apples, cherries and bananas." but not oranges, suggests to me it is more about protecting US orange growers, not US orange consumers.
Fungus is a problem for oranges and grapefruit grown in the humid tropics. Just look at the very poor quality in the supermarkets here.
Written by: Atabey, 4 Mar 2012 9:49 AM
From: United States, NYC
Written by: dreadlocks, 3 Mar 2012 10:36 AM
From: United States
so what? does that disqualify us from offender status? do we simply excuse our failings by asserting that others are guilty, too? what is your point?"
The POINT is, as always, one of PROPORTIONS! If DR had an enormous problem then it would be on target to say what you've stated. BUT it does not according to the information provided above. Brazil and Canada are the MAIN sources for the use of this chemical. And there may also be some domestic, USA, "protecting US orange growers, not US orange consumers." as Roy has stated at play.
Jumping the gun too fast?
From: United States, FREEPORT, Long Island.... ((You're blind to the fact that you're blind))
There goes atabey changing the subject again
Written by: Atabey, 4 Mar 2012 10:43 AM
From: United States, NYC
Put your glasses on yet this morning Roberto?
Written by: RoyStone, 4 Mar 2012 11:17 AM
From: Australia
Atabey,
You cannot assume it is a lesser problem in the Dominican Republic based on the above. Dominican and Canadian production is insignificant compared to Brazilian. The high figure for Canada puzzles me.
The other thing that does not make sense is why it is okay for some fruits but not oranges.
Written by: Atabey, 4 Mar 2012 11:53 AM
From: United States, NYC
"According to the report, of the three most recent samples found positive for the fungicide carbendazim, two were from Brazil and one was from the Dominican Republic."
Roy,
FOOD RECALLS
FDA Updates Information on Fungicides in OJ
BY JAMES ANDREWS | FEB 17, 2012
The Food and Drug Administration published a new update on Thursday to its ongoing testing of imported orange juice for the fungicide carbendazim, a compound restricted from agriculture in the United States.
Since January 9, the FDA has tested samples from 104 shipments of orange juice and orange juice concentrate. Out of those, the agency found 24 shipments that contained at least 10 parts per billion (ppb) of carbendazim.
Half of those 24 shipments came from Canada, while the other half came from Brazil. The FDA has added the food processors associated with those shipments to its Import Alert 99-08 list.
Of the shipments testing negative for carbendazim, 57 have been released for sale. Those shipments came
Written by: Atabey, 4 Mar 2012 11:54 AM
From: United States, NYC
Canada (22 shipments), Mexico (18), Dominican Republic (3), Italy (2), Argentina (2), Costa Rica (2), Honduras (2), Trinidad & Tobago (2), Brazil (1), Lebanon (1), Belize (1) and Turkey (1).
The FDA began testing all orange juice imports for carbendazim in January after being alerted by Coca Cola -- owner of Minute Maid and Simply Orange -- that some juice from Brazil had tested positive for the fungicide.
The Environmental Protection Agency considers carbendazim levels below 80 ppb safe for human consumption. In earlier tests of shipments, those containing the fungicide ranged in concentration from 13 to 36 ppb. The FDA will not allow sale of any shipments containing more than 10 ppb.
On Thursday, the FDA also rejected a request by the Brazilian Citrus Exporters Association to have levels of carbendazim in orange juice concentrate assessed according to its "single strength" level -- the levels that would be found once the concentrate is mixed with the intended ratio of wat
Written by: Atabey, 4 Mar 2012 11:56 AM
From: United States, NYC
the levels that would be found once the concentrate is mixed with the intended ratio of water. Brazilian orange growers recently began using carbendazim to combat a problem with "black spot," a mold that grows on trees.
The FDA plans to continue testing orange juice imports for carbendazim and will publish updates every Thursday evening."
I don't see where the cause for alarm expressed by some is warranted with regards to DR.
From: United States
instructs RoyStone
Written by: RoyStone, 4 Mar 2012 11:17 AM
From: Australia
Atabey,
You cannot assume it is a lesser problem in the Dominican Republic based on the above. Dominican and Canadian production is insignificant compared to Brazilian. The high figure for Canada puzzles me.
The other thing that does not make sense is why it is okay for some fruits but not oranges.
yes, Roy. the concept of scale puzzles Atabey. when a million gallons of juice from Brazil gets turned away, that might represent a small fraction of their shipment. 10,000 gallons might represent the entire Dominican shipment. besides, when you are exporting airplanes, and all manner of sophisticated manufactured goods, the effect is not as devastating as when you are shipping out a small assortment of primary products.
jumping the gun too soon, Atabey?
Written by: Atabey, 5 Mar 2012 12:10 PM
From: United States, NYC
"The high figure for Canada puzzles me.
The other thing that does not make sense is why it is okay for some fruits but not oranges."
And well it should, given that Canada is a MAJOR industrial society with all the scientific and technical know-how to detect and one would think handle this issue.
DR is well known to have a severe scientific and technical deficit in many areas with the agriculture sector being one.
Again, Dready where does the article above give us QUANTITY OF OUTPUT?
"is this stuff rocket science? i mean, what is so difficult about getting a list of pesticides banned in the target market, and refraining from their useages? can anything be simpler? do these guys have sh*t for brains?"
If Dominicans have sh*t for brains, what about the Brazilians and Canadians? And they have absolutely no deficits in scientific understanding and technical matters regarding agriculture.
Again, fanning the flames too hard Dready?
From: United States
i know that this is going to be really difficult for you to understand, Atabey. when i said "these guys", it was a collective assessment. it included all the miscreants, be they Canadian, Brazilian, or Dominicans. now take this thread to the kindergarten teacher, and have her explain it to you. she will probably explain that my narrative does not single out any specific group.
From: United States
Atabey, has it ever occured to you that you are the person in this site that is most guilty of making you look foolish?
Written by: Atabey, 5 Mar 2012 1:00 PM
From: United States, NYC
Again, fanning the flames too hard Dready?
You appear to not be listening too well, a mere casual reading of my remarks would give ANY reasonable person pause and acknowledge that whist it might be acceptable to think this of both Brazilians and Canadians, in the case of the DR, WITH ITS HUGE DEFICITS and LACK of MODERNITY, your take does not warrant such harsh treatment. Again, it's a proportional thing Dready. You fan the flames.
From: United States
you are really in need of some remedial thinking. how much modernity and resources does it take to understand that if the buyer does not want a product with a certain chemical pesticide, then you grow the plant without it? this is not complicated. here are the steps
1...request a list of the banned pesticides from the department of agriculture in the target market
2...stop using it on the products that you intend to ship there.
now isn't that really simple?
Written by: Atabey, 5 Mar 2012 1:22 PM
From: United States, NYC
Dready,
IF the CANADIANS AND BRAZILIANS have problems with those easy instructions care to think what might happen in the DR with so many non-optimized sectors and with low educational and scientific/technical deficits?
Again, the point is one of proportionality. And as Roy pointed out above, DON'T underestimate the impact of the domestic USA Orange juice producers. They might just have an interest in keeping out competitor product from the market, no?
From: United States
asks Atabey
IF the CANADIANS AND BRAZILIANS have problems with those easy instructions care to think what might happen in the DR with so many non-optimized sectors and with low educational and scientific/technical deficits?
i can understand if all three countries are in a competing market for space shuttles. this is not high science. any literate guy can read the label on a bottle of pesticide, no?
Written by: Atabey, 5 Mar 2012 2:16 PM
From: United States, NYC
But what you conveniently leave out are the ENORMOUS disparities in the three mentioned nations! And that's my point. Your inflammatory statement is not becoming. Nor does it do justice to the case in question, given the GREAT disparities involved.
Also, we aren't given information about the nature of the Oranges; that is if it's from concentrate or juice? The Brazilians are making the argument that the levels are elevated given that it's from a concentrated packaging. When mixed with water the levels, again the Brazilians believe, would fall under the 10 parts pb mark.
Who stands to gain in all this: why Coca-Cola! remarkable. Of course they are doing so in the interest of the consumers of America. God Bless their hearts. Another soul reaches heaven. Tetzel: "As soon as a coin in the coffer rings, a soul from purgatory springs"
From: Dominican Republic
The most simple conceptes are hard for some...
If the articale left out the other countries would that help some to understand that we are exporting OJ with banned chemicals used on them.......And that is as simple as it is... if you want to export you have to know what you can and can not use to make, produce, grow and manufacture with... As easy as knowing you can not use lead based paint on kiddies toys..... If the grower can not read the lable on the drum then the buyer, exporter should be stepping in... Or even the sales rep may want to say to the grower ... you may not want to use this if you are selling it to the USA...... Is that simple enough for some to understand... someone needs to take responsibility... I am sure someone in the chain of production can read and pass along the right info....
Written by: Atabey, 5 Mar 2012 2:58 PM
From: United States, NYC
FOOD RECALLS
FDA Updates Information on Fungicides in OJ
BY JAMES ANDREWS | FEB 17, 2012
The Food and Drug Administration published a new update on Thursday to its ongoing testing of imported orange juice for the fungicide carbendazim, a compound restricted from agriculture in the United States.
Since January 9, the FDA has tested samples from 104 shipments of orange juice and orange juice concentrate. Out of those, the agency found 24 shipments that contained at least 10 parts per billion (ppb) of carbendazim.
Half of those 24 shipments came from Canada, while the other half came from Brazil. The FDA has added the food processors associated with those shipments to its Import Alert 99-08 list.
Of the shipments testing negative for carbendazim, 57 have been released for sale. Those shipments came
Written by: Atabey, 5 Mar 2012 2:59 PM
From: United States, NYC
Canada (22 shipments), Mexico (18), Dominican Republic (3), Italy (2), Argentina (2), Costa Rica (2), Honduras (2), Trinidad & Tobago (2), Brazil (1), Lebanon (1), Belize (1) and Turkey (1).
The FDA began testing all orange juice imports for carbendazim in January after being alerted by Coca Cola -- owner of Minute Maid and Simply Orange -- that some juice from Brazil had tested positive for the fungicide.
The Environmental Protection Agency considers carbendazim levels below 80 ppb safe for human consumption. In earlier tests of shipments, those containing the fungicide ranged in concentration from 13 to 36 ppb. The FDA will not allow sale of any shipments containing more than 10 ppb.
On Thursday, the FDA also rejected a request by the Brazilian Citrus Exporters Association to have levels of carbendazim in orange juice concentrate assessed according to its "single strength" level -- the levels that would be found once the concentrate is mixed with the intended ratio of
Written by: Atabey, 5 Mar 2012 3:00 PM
From: United States, NYC
the levels that would be found once the concentrate is mixed with the intended ratio of water. Brazilian orange growers recently began using carbendazim to combat a problem with "black spot," a mold that grows on trees.
The FDA plans to continue testing orange juice imports for carbendazim and will publish updates every Thursday evening."
Some people need to READ the posts,
From: Dominican Republic
we all read the News Atrtical....
All the numbers and amounts have little to do with the overall point that is that the DR is exporting oranges with a banned chemical..... full stop...... Copy paste all you want, nothing will change that fact.... Who care if other countries are doing it... it should be an opportunity for the DR to better their products and gain a bigger market with the buyers....
But if we do not then more will be turned away and buyers will look else where and lose confidence with all product coming from the DR....
From: United States
this is the most telling statement in this thread
Written by: stillhere, 5 Mar 2012 2:28 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Written by: stillhere, 5 Mar 2012 2:28 PM
From: Dominican Republic
The most simple conceptes are hard for some...
and, overwhelming, for others. i think that Atabey sometimes thinks he is making sense. in those moments, i feel sympathy for him.
Written by: Atabey, 5 Mar 2012 5:17 PM
From: United States, NYC
Look at the INFORMATION before posting. You NEVER nor does Dready make mention of the ppb question nor if the oranges in question are from concentrated or juice. The Brazilians do make this argument. Then there is also the matter of why is the call being made by Coca-Cola? Do they have some vested interest in this matter?
Just a few notes.
From: United States
i make no ,mention of anything, except that the shipments were refused. if you can provide evidence that the action was unjustified, then you have a case. if the products violated the acceptable standards, what exactly are we debating here?
From: United States
Atabey, do not give me any horsefeathers about ppbs, or anything. there are two parties to this transaction. one is the buyer, the other is the vendor. the buyer stipulates what he wants. have you ever seen the requirements sheet for a commodities purchase? well, i have. take sugar, for example. the buyer states the type, the size of the grain, the moisture content, and other principal needs, such as how it should be packaged, and delivered. you either meet those requirements, or the deal is voided. it is not like buying two platanos in a colmado. this is serious business. when a guy is spending a million dollars on a shipment, he wants it HIS WAY. get the point?
Written by: Atabey, 5 Mar 2012 5:32 PM
From: United States, NYC
Dready,
I posted an article with MORE INFORMATION than the article posted by DT. There are several interesting points:
A. Coca-Cola is the firm bringing this to light.
b. The ppb use of the fungicide carbendazim issue is under dispute as there are discrepancies in its safe usage. "The Environmental Protection Agency considers carbendazim levels below 80 ppb safe for human consumption. In earlier tests of shipments, those containing the fungicide ranged in concentration from 13 to 36 ppb. The FDA will not allow sale of any shipments containing more than 10 ppb."
c. "the FDA also rejected a request by the Brazilian Citrus Exporters Association to have levels of carbendazim in orange juice concentrate assessed according to its "single strength" level -- the levels that would be found once the concentrate is mixed with the intended ratio of the levels that would be found once the concentrate is mixed with the intended ratio of water."
Written by: Atabey, 5 Mar 2012 5:34 PM
From: United States, NYC
So if the Brazilian, WE DON'T KNOW IF THE DR SHIPMENT WAS CONCENTRATED OR NOT-is safe to use "once the concentrate is mixed with the intended ratio of water." Could this possibly be an example of Coca-Cola using tactics to protect its home market?
Just saying, there might be other issues at work here than merely the toxicity levels of the fungicide carbendazim.
Written by: RoyStone, 5 Mar 2012 6:55 PM
From: Australia
Yes, Atabey, there are often other issues intertwined. We still don't know why higher level of carbendazim is acceptable for other fruits but not for oranges.
New Zealand apple-growers complain that the Australian quarantine officials place unrealistic requirements on imported apples to protect the Australian apple growers. When free trade agreements are in place, and tariffs and quotas are outlawed, then these more subtle tactics are used.
Interesting that Coca-Cola should be the whistle-blower - making squillions from selling diabetes, obesity and heart-disease, and rubbishing the environment with PET while they're at it.
Written by: Atabey, 6 Mar 2012 8:07 AM
From: United States, NYC
"Written by: RoyStone, 5 Mar 2012 6:55 PM
From: Australia
Yes, Atabey, there are often other issues intertwined. We still don't know why higher level of carbendazim is acceptable for other fruits but not for oranges.
New Zealand apple-growers complain that the Australian quarantine officials place unrealistic requirements on imported apples to protect the Australian apple growers. When free trade agreements are in place, and tariffs and quotas are outlawed, then these more subtle tactics are used.
Interesting that Coca-Cola should be the whistle-blower - making squillions from selling diabetes, obesity and heart-disease, and rubbishing the environment with PET while they're at it."
Thanks for bringing READING COMPREHENSION to the table. Some people need to read more carefully, before making outlandish remarks. And those that come to defend, should do so ONLY if they can STILL read.
Who stands to gain? That is an important question to keep in mind.
From: United States
Atabey offers gratitude
Thanks for bringing READING COMPREHENSION to the table. Some people need to read more carefully, before making outlandish remarks. And those that come to defend, should do so ONLY if they can STILL read.
i guess that remark was intended for me. however, in the light of the absolute stupidity of your position, i will not dignify it with a response.
From: Dominican Republic
Who stands to gain? That is an important question to keep in mind.
....
I will keep that in mind as the answers are very simple and have already been pointed out ... or do we need to repeat it again.... sorry if they do not meet your aprovel... just keep pasting numbers and telling us to read what you think is right..... although you have not given any ideas of what may fix or improve the problem at hand....
Some people need to read more carefully, before making outlandish remarks.
mmmmm maybe you could point out the OUTLANDISH remakes... or what you think to be one..... Please ....
Written by: RoyStone, 6 Mar 2012 11:49 AM
From: Australia
I an curious to know why Australia's orange-juice production peaked at 145,600 in 1984 then dropped to 19,330 in 1986 and is now down to 10,000 in 2011 (7th in the world, behind Brazil, US, Europe, Mexico, China and South Africa).
Apparently Canadian and Dominican Republic production is insignificant.
indexmundi.com/agriculture/?commodity=orange-juice&graph=production
From: United States
stillhere suggests to Atabey
sorry if they do not meet your aprovel... just keep pasting numbers and telling us to read what you think is right.
Atabey´s modus operandi is very elementary. these are the usual steps
1...he makes a statement, which leaves the readership nonplussed
2..he is asked to explain, or defend the remark
3..he makes a response which is even more incomprehensible. each succeeding answer is more mind boggling
4..he scurries off to google, and copies and pastes an article which has no pertinent bearing on the topic. he suggests that the narrative is the definitive, last word, on the matter
5..he informs you that you are the one who is confused, and who needs to read.
Written by: Atabey, 6 Mar 2012 12:11 PM
From: United States, NYC
Dready and Stillherethere,
Please read what Roy and I have written. Could there possibly be something more to this than the corporate benevolence (protecting the health of the consumer) of Coca-Cola?
Why should it be so out of line for a concentrated juice that when mixed with the required amount of water meets the standards, be deemed unacceptable? Could there be some "homecourt" advantage going on here?
As Roy has pointed out: "Yes, Atabey, there are often other issues intertwined. We still don't know why higher level of carbendazim is acceptable for other fruits but not for oranges."
So please continue to believe in your own version of events and thinking this is all about protecting the health of the consumers of America.
What's that? Coca-Cola may also be the source of this problem!
"Coca-Cola Co. acknowledged Thursday it was the company that alerted federal regulators about low levels of fungicide in its own orange juice and in competitors' juice,
Written by: Atabey, 6 Mar 2012 12:19 PM
From: United States, NYC
Coca-Cola Co. acknowledged Thursday it was the company that alerted federal regulators about low levels of fungicide in its own orange juice and in competitors' juice, prompting juice prices to rise and increased government testing for the residue.
The Food and Drug Administration and the Environmental Protection Agency have said orange juice is safe to drink and the levels found are below levels of concern.
Atlanta-based Coca-Cola, which makes the Minute Maid and Simply Orange brands of orange juice, said Thursday it had notified FDA of the low levels of the fungicide carbendazim in the company's orange juice and in competitors' juice. The FDA had said Monday that an unnamed company had told the agency about thefungicide and confirmed Wednesday the company was Coca-Cola.
Written by: Atabey, 6 Mar 2012 12:20 PM
From: United States, NYC
The FDA said Coca-Cola found levels up to 35 parts per billion of the fungicide, far below the European Union's maximum residue level of 200 parts per billion. The U.S. government has not established an official maximum residue level for carbendazim in orange juice.
The Environmental Protection Agency has said a risk assessment of carbendazim showed no risks at up to 80 parts per billion, but officials believe real levels of concern are much higher.
"The residues we have seen reported at 35 parts per billion are thousands of times below the concentration that would raise safety concerns," said EPA spokeswoman Betsaida Alcantara.
Coca-Cola spokesman Dan Schafer said: "This is an industry issue that affects every company that produces products in the U.S. using orange juice from Brazil."
Written by: Atabey, 6 Mar 2012 12:25 PM
From: United States, NYC
Christian Science Monitor
Coke fungicide prompts tests of Minute Maid and Simply Orange juices
Coke fungicide: Coca-Cola Co. alerted the FDA to a fungicide in its Minute Maid and Simply Orange brands of orange juice as well as a competitor's brand.
By MARY CLARE JALONICK, Associated Press / January 13, 2012
So I guess Dready will need to add Coca-Cola to his list of: "do these guys have sh*t for brains?"
"is this stuff rocket science? i mean, what is so difficult about getting a list of pesticides banned in the target market, and refraining from their useages? can anything be simpler? do these guys have sh*t for brains?"
Written by: dreadlocks, 3 Mar 2012 10:21 AM
From: United States
From: United States
Atabey, who cares about peripheral issues? who cares about the political maneouverings behind the issues? is this too difficult for you? the buyer does not want the presence of this pesticide, and that is the only pivotal point. the fact that other competitors can capitalize on that stand is SECONDARY, and not the determinant. as long as the product tests positive for the substance, the buyer is in his right to refuse it. the fact that he might be encouraged by other forces to do so, is tangential. if there is no pesticide presence, then there is no justification for refusal. what don´t you get, and why?
From: United States
States
Christian Science Monitor
Coke fungicide prompts tests of Minute Maid and Simply Orange juices
Coke fungicide: Coca-Cola Co. alerted the FDA to a fungicide in its Minute Maid and Simply Orange brands of orange juice as well as a competitor's brand.
By MARY CLARE JALONICK, Associated Press / January 13, 2012
what is your point?
From: Dominican Republic
Why should it be so out of line for a concentrated juice that when mixed with the required amount of water meets the standards, be deemed unacceptable? Could there be some "homecourt" advantage going on here?
Is this a real question....
Ok some things that are aparent to most of the world....... Yes Coco-cola are protecting their own interest.... They are oweners of a lot of orchards along with Mc Donnals...... they also outsource for the lowest price......... the outsourced imported OJ did not meet standard so they rejected and reported it to protect themselves from prosecution by consumers and the FDA....Ok...
I nor Dread never stated that they were not protecting anyone... It is very common world wide or do you need us to talk the pro and cons of international produce sales......
As to amounts of Carbendazim in other fruit... you may want to write to the FDA.. As it was not talked about in the articale we did not address it....
From: United States
says stillhere
the outsourced imported OJ did not meet standard so they rejected and reported it to protect themselves from prosecution by consumers and the FDA....Ok..
monster point. maybe Atabey needs to bone up on his understanding of product liability lawsuits. knowingly accepting tainted products, then offering them for sale, sets the vendor up for debilitating possible future lawsuits. get it, Atabey?
Written by: Atabey, 6 Mar 2012 1:08 PM
From: United States, NYC
"Coke fungicide found in OJ: A worker pours harvested oranges into a sack on a farm in Limeira, Thursday.
The fungicide carbendazim has been found in orange juice made by Coca-Cola Co."
Paulo Whitaker/Reuters
So I guess Dready will need to add Coca-Cola to his list of: "do these guys have sh*t for brains?"
"is this stuff rocket science? i mean, what is so difficult about getting a list of pesticides banned in the target market, and refraining from their useages? can anything be simpler? do these guys have sh*t for brains?"
Written by: dreadlocks, 3 Mar 2012 10:21 AM
From: United States
From: Dominican Republic
again what is the point.......
From: United States
he has no point. he just does not know when he has used up all his intelligent remarks, which is usually just before he starts to post.
Written by: Atabey, 6 Mar 2012 1:17 PM
From: United States, NYC
The POINT dear Dready is that Coca-Cola ITSELF is guilty of the SAME offense. If they can be sOOOOOOOOOOOO lacking in keeping things under supervision, is it tooooooooooooo much to think that perhaps, yes perhaps, the DR might have a few hiccups in its operations?
Again, your initial take on the matter was highly inflammatory. It wasn't like all the product out of DR was taken out of circulation. Get a grip and have that tall glass of Ice Tea with Lime. Have a good lunch and don't eat too much pork.
From: United States
Atabey, you win. i have better pursuits than to waste my time arguing with a person like you. you are beneath my responses.
From: Dominican Republic
Do you want to take this one or shall I.....
From: United States
why waste your time on this guy? it is obvious that he did not pack a full lunch for the picnic.
From: Dominican Republic
OK Aterbey...... please point out where we say Coca-Cola may or may not be in the wrong... Yes.. in a many of cases they may be in the wrong.. and may well be contaminating the OJ themselves...
Do you have any idea how much OJ they buy and sell.... any idea why they test and report for contaminations...... If they receive say 10,000 gal from DR they would test it before mixing with others, it is all about knowing where and what is in your product before selling it to consumers and facing the FDA in court for selling contaminated produce.....
From: United States
stillhere, are you still trying to debate this point, with this guy? forget it. he will never concede an inch. he thinks it is a game. if he agrees that you could be right, then he loses, and, there go his brownie points. forget it.
From: Dominican Republic
I know... It was fun for a bit....
Written by: Atabey, 6 Mar 2012 2:25 PM
From: United States, NYC
Written by: stillhere,
OK Aterbey...... please point out where we say Coca-Cola may or may not be in the wrong... Yes.. in a many of cases they may be in the wrong.. and may well be contaminating the OJ themselves... "
The original article posted by DT made no mention of Coca-Cola having its own problem and so Dready went after DR, Brazil and Canada-AFTER I POINTED OUT THAT DR WAS NOT THE ONLY ONE OUT OF STEP! Mind you, Dready acknowledges this:
"Dready,
Apparently the problem is FAR from being a DR issue with both Brazil and CANADA! being worse offenders.
Written by: dreadlocks, 3 Mar 2012 10:36 AM
so what? does that disqualify us (sic) from offender status? do we simply excuse our failings by asserting that others are guilty, too? what is your point?"
So my point that Coca Cola should also be granted Dready sh*i headed listing is NOT off the mark.
Again, it has to do with PROPORTION. I would never go and say this about Jamaica
From: Dominican Republic
Again, it has to do with PROPORTION.
Proportions....... No it has to do with the fact that as stated in the articlae the OJ from the DR was rejected because it had banned chemicals in it..... above the limit allowed by the FDA.... Not how much came from DR, Brazil etc..ect..... Got it...
THE PRODUCT HAD positive for the fungicide carbendazim......
And the result was, it was rejected..... Follow up result should be a warning to growers, buyers and all in the chain of food production in the DR to know what they can and can not use.... And become a better supplier to impoters,exporters and comsumers...... Got it.......
Written by: RoyStone, 6 Mar 2012 3:08 PM
From: Australia
stillhere,
They use the fungicide for a reason, since it costs money to buy and to apply, presumably to kill fungus. Perhaps black oranges are probably not acceptable either. If I was an importer or juice manufacturer I would not accept the oranges I find in the market or the supermarket here.
Written by: Atabey, 6 Mar 2012 4:40 PM
From: United States, NYC
Roy,
What I also find interesting is that the Europeans are said to be highly picky and much more "environmentally friendly" and yet their standards allow for a higher level of the chemical!
"The FDA said Coca-Cola found levels up to 35 parts per billion of the fungicide, far below the European Union's maximum residue level of 200 parts per billion. The U.S. government has not established an official maximum residue level for carbendazim in orange juice.
The Environmental Protection Agency has said a risk assessment of carbendazim showed no risks at up to 80 parts per billion, but officials believe real levels of concern are much higher."
From: United States
the congenital low brow, Atabey, cannot drag himself out of the gutter, not for a moment. he cannot resist his urge to make this an inter country issue. it is high time that i heed the words of those who have advised me to ignore you, on the grounds that you are beneath me.
Written by: RoyStone, 6 Mar 2012 8:27 PM
From: Australia
Dready
My interpretation is that Atabey is making the point there is a range of opinions as to what levels are acceptable, whether its different countries or different bodies, is not the point.
Written by: Atabey, 6 Mar 2012 8:32 PM
From: United States, NYC
Why dready, why so much vile and violence in your tune?
You see what happens when I extend the olive branch? I pulled the justified "Dready fabricated ...."
And I advanced a collaborative effort with you on the educational thread you were working on,
And this is what you do?
shame on you Dready.
Play the ball not the man.
From: United States
my interpretation is that Atabey is a nitwit. this is simple. the buyer does not want traces of pesticide in the delivered product. what in God´s name is so complicated about that, which energizes the need to copy and paste a gazillion articles? it´s their money. that is the gravemen of the discussion. all else is chaff. if he cannot understand that, i am wasting my time on him.
From: Dominican Republic
Roy you should try them they are very good... the skin color has no affect on taste or juice it is just cosmetic... I would prefer to buy from a grower i know ... but ha... they are good with wash of the skin...
From: Dominican Republic
The U.S. government has not established an official maximum residue level for carbendazim in orange juice.
Because it is 0.. the chemical is banned for use in the USA.... but the fact that they do except some from OS imports is questionable....
The levels of carbendazim reported appear to be the result of the application of a pesticide/fungicide on orange trees. The fungicide is approved for such use in Brazil and several other countries, but not the United States.
fda.gov search "Carbendazim orange juice"
Written by: RoyStone, 6 Mar 2012 10:01 PM
From: Australia
stillhere,
We eat a lot of Dominican oranges - I mean a lot, mainly from Serena supermarket, but some from the local market and some local growers. I am not bothered by the color, or even to black fungus on the outside. However I am bothered when the fungus or rotting has penetrated the orange at the bottom, or the flesh inside is dry and pale, it has almost no taste and has many seeds.
From: Dominican Republic
Bottom line ... if you want to export OJ to the USA it would be best to produce your oranges with 0 Carbendazim and you will not have a problem... easy real...
From: Dominican Republic
I may have a better market, I only seem to find one dry one per bag... and don't buy a bag with that off orange smell..... hahahha
Written by: RoyStone, 6 Mar 2012 10:12 PM
From: Australia
There is a difference between no approval for use, and the acceptable level of carbendazim allowable. Many things have tolerance levels listed that are not actually used, but can come from a range of sources. Zero tolerance is meaningless, since the limits of detectability continue to go down as methodologies evolve.
Written by: RoyStone, 6 Mar 2012 10:25 PM
From: Australia
Dready, I think you are out of order in this, on two counts.
1) If Atabey is wrong, mistaken or inaccurate that does not make him a nitwit
2) You clearly are not familiar with technology and science behind these things. There is no such thing as "zero" concentration. Even if a grower does not us the fungicide, he cannot guarantee there is not one molecule arriving with his product - transferred from the walls of a container, from a bird dropping, whatever. It may be below detectible concentrations today, measurable with newer technology. It is important to ensure toxins are well below harmful levels, that means, safe.
From: United States
i am not familiar with the technology and science behind such matters. that i will concede. what i am familiar with is international commodity trading, since my brother happens to be a commodities broker. i am ,by no means, an expert, but i have seen the forms, and the way in which business is done. everything is 100% specific. if they tell you to ship 100,000 tons of sugar in 25 lb bags, and you send it in 50lbs, they will simply refuse the load, and withdraw the payment from escrow. if they tell you to send an extra 1000 empty bags, in case of breakage at the docks, you better make sure you do. similarly, if they say that they want product with no trace of pesticides, and you ship stuff with infinitesimal traces, you still violate the contract, which can be then rescinded by the buyer, on grounds of non-performance.
From: United States
informs RoyStone
) If Atabey is wrong, mistaken or inaccurate that does not make him a nitwit
what makes him a nitwit is his insistence on making snide, backhanded remarks, with very condescending undertones, despite the fact that he is not dealing with the subject matter at hand.
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Apparently the problem is FAR from being a DR issue with both Brazil and CANADA! being worse offenders.
'well it happens in other countries also"
i have a better idea why not say "but is does not happen in the dr"?
think the country will grow faster and stronger this way.
this year they are all missing, but many fruits and veg's from brazil, peru and chile.
wonder what happen to the dr imports?
those chemicals are banned from usage in the USA--that's why the producers moved to Central and South America where they do what they want to produce juice they send back to the good ol'USA. Remember the tainted apple juice China sent us? It was labeled by major names we grew up on.
Bottom line is not to drink juice unless you grew and squeezed the fruit, try to eat "one step", that is grown in the ground, picked and you eat it (don't buy GMO fruit and veggies in the stores)--go to a farmer's market or if you're in the DR (lucky you), there's plenty growing around you..
The food in the USA is all "modified, radiated, tainted crap" anymore--I try not to eat anything from a box, a bag or that is processed--The only Dominican import I find is Presidente! 12-pack is $9.99US
Fungus is a problem for oranges and grapefruit grown in the humid tropics. Just look at the very poor quality in the supermarkets here.
From: United States
so what? does that disqualify us from offender status? do we simply excuse our failings by asserting that others are guilty, too? what is your point?"
The POINT is, as always, one of PROPORTIONS! If DR had an enormous problem then it would be on target to say what you've stated. BUT it does not according to the information provided above. Brazil and Canada are the MAIN sources for the use of this chemical. And there may also be some domestic, USA, "protecting US orange growers, not US orange consumers." as Roy has stated at play.
Jumping the gun too fast?
Put your glasses on yet this morning Roberto?
You cannot assume it is a lesser problem in the Dominican Republic based on the above. Dominican and Canadian production is insignificant compared to Brazilian. The high figure for Canada puzzles me.
The other thing that does not make sense is why it is okay for some fruits but not oranges.
Roy,
FOOD RECALLS
FDA Updates Information on Fungicides in OJ
BY JAMES ANDREWS | FEB 17, 2012
The Food and Drug Administration published a new update on Thursday to its ongoing testing of imported orange juice for the fungicide carbendazim, a compound restricted from agriculture in the United States.
Since January 9, the FDA has tested samples from 104 shipments of orange juice and orange juice concentrate. Out of those, the agency found 24 shipments that contained at least 10 parts per billion (ppb) of carbendazim.
Half of those 24 shipments came from Canada, while the other half came from Brazil. The FDA has added the food processors associated with those shipments to its Import Alert 99-08 list.
Of the shipments testing negative for carbendazim, 57 have been released for sale. Those shipments came
The FDA began testing all orange juice imports for carbendazim in January after being alerted by Coca Cola -- owner of Minute Maid and Simply Orange -- that some juice from Brazil had tested positive for the fungicide.
The Environmental Protection Agency considers carbendazim levels below 80 ppb safe for human consumption. In earlier tests of shipments, those containing the fungicide ranged in concentration from 13 to 36 ppb. The FDA will not allow sale of any shipments containing more than 10 ppb.
On Thursday, the FDA also rejected a request by the Brazilian Citrus Exporters Association to have levels of carbendazim in orange juice concentrate assessed according to its "single strength" level -- the levels that would be found once the concentrate is mixed with the intended ratio of wat
The FDA plans to continue testing orange juice imports for carbendazim and will publish updates every Thursday evening."
I don't see where the cause for alarm expressed by some is warranted with regards to DR.
Written by: RoyStone, 4 Mar 2012 11:17 AM
From: Australia
Atabey,
You cannot assume it is a lesser problem in the Dominican Republic based on the above. Dominican and Canadian production is insignificant compared to Brazilian. The high figure for Canada puzzles me.
The other thing that does not make sense is why it is okay for some fruits but not oranges.
yes, Roy. the concept of scale puzzles Atabey. when a million gallons of juice from Brazil gets turned away, that might represent a small fraction of their shipment. 10,000 gallons might represent the entire Dominican shipment. besides, when you are exporting airplanes, and all manner of sophisticated manufactured goods, the effect is not as devastating as when you are shipping out a small assortment of primary products.
jumping the gun too soon, Atabey?
"The high figure for Canada puzzles me.
The other thing that does not make sense is why it is okay for some fruits but not oranges."
And well it should, given that Canada is a MAJOR industrial society with all the scientific and technical know-how to detect and one would think handle this issue.
DR is well known to have a severe scientific and technical deficit in many areas with the agriculture sector being one.
Again, Dready where does the article above give us QUANTITY OF OUTPUT?
"is this stuff rocket science? i mean, what is so difficult about getting a list of pesticides banned in the target market, and refraining from their useages? can anything be simpler? do these guys have sh*t for brains?"
If Dominicans have sh*t for brains, what about the Brazilians and Canadians? And they have absolutely no deficits in scientific understanding and technical matters regarding agriculture.
Again, fanning the flames too hard Dready?
Again, fanning the flames too hard Dready?
You appear to not be listening too well, a mere casual reading of my remarks would give ANY reasonable person pause and acknowledge that whist it might be acceptable to think this of both Brazilians and Canadians, in the case of the DR, WITH ITS HUGE DEFICITS and LACK of MODERNITY, your take does not warrant such harsh treatment. Again, it's a proportional thing Dready. You fan the flames.
1...request a list of the banned pesticides from the department of agriculture in the target market
2...stop using it on the products that you intend to ship there.
now isn't that really simple?
Dready,
IF the CANADIANS AND BRAZILIANS have problems with those easy instructions care to think what might happen in the DR with so many non-optimized sectors and with low educational and scientific/technical deficits?
Again, the point is one of proportionality. And as Roy pointed out above, DON'T underestimate the impact of the domestic USA Orange juice producers. They might just have an interest in keeping out competitor product from the market, no?
IF the CANADIANS AND BRAZILIANS have problems with those easy instructions care to think what might happen in the DR with so many non-optimized sectors and with low educational and scientific/technical deficits?
i can understand if all three countries are in a competing market for space shuttles. this is not high science. any literate guy can read the label on a bottle of pesticide, no?
But what you conveniently leave out are the ENORMOUS disparities in the three mentioned nations! And that's my point. Your inflammatory statement is not becoming. Nor does it do justice to the case in question, given the GREAT disparities involved.
Also, we aren't given information about the nature of the Oranges; that is if it's from concentrate or juice? The Brazilians are making the argument that the levels are elevated given that it's from a concentrated packaging. When mixed with water the levels, again the Brazilians believe, would fall under the 10 parts pb mark.
Who stands to gain in all this: why Coca-Cola! remarkable. Of course they are doing so in the interest of the consumers of America. God Bless their hearts. Another soul reaches heaven. Tetzel: "As soon as a coin in the coffer rings, a soul from purgatory springs"
If the articale left out the other countries would that help some to understand that we are exporting OJ with banned chemicals used on them.......And that is as simple as it is... if you want to export you have to know what you can and can not use to make, produce, grow and manufacture with... As easy as knowing you can not use lead based paint on kiddies toys..... If the grower can not read the lable on the drum then the buyer, exporter should be stepping in... Or even the sales rep may want to say to the grower ... you may not want to use this if you are selling it to the USA...... Is that simple enough for some to understand... someone needs to take responsibility... I am sure someone in the chain of production can read and pass along the right info....
FDA Updates Information on Fungicides in OJ
BY JAMES ANDREWS | FEB 17, 2012
The Food and Drug Administration published a new update on Thursday to its ongoing testing of imported orange juice for the fungicide carbendazim, a compound restricted from agriculture in the United States.
Since January 9, the FDA has tested samples from 104 shipments of orange juice and orange juice concentrate. Out of those, the agency found 24 shipments that contained at least 10 parts per billion (ppb) of carbendazim.
Half of those 24 shipments came from Canada, while the other half came from Brazil. The FDA has added the food processors associated with those shipments to its Import Alert 99-08 list.
Of the shipments testing negative for carbendazim, 57 have been released for sale. Those shipments came
The FDA began testing all orange juice imports for carbendazim in January after being alerted by Coca Cola -- owner of Minute Maid and Simply Orange -- that some juice from Brazil had tested positive for the fungicide.
The Environmental Protection Agency considers carbendazim levels below 80 ppb safe for human consumption. In earlier tests of shipments, those containing the fungicide ranged in concentration from 13 to 36 ppb. The FDA will not allow sale of any shipments containing more than 10 ppb.
On Thursday, the FDA also rejected a request by the Brazilian Citrus Exporters Association to have levels of carbendazim in orange juice concentrate assessed according to its "single strength" level -- the levels that would be found once the concentrate is mixed with the intended ratio of
The FDA plans to continue testing orange juice imports for carbendazim and will publish updates every Thursday evening."
Some people need to READ the posts,
All the numbers and amounts have little to do with the overall point that is that the DR is exporting oranges with a banned chemical..... full stop...... Copy paste all you want, nothing will change that fact.... Who care if other countries are doing it... it should be an opportunity for the DR to better their products and gain a bigger market with the buyers....
But if we do not then more will be turned away and buyers will look else where and lose confidence with all product coming from the DR....
Written by: stillhere, 5 Mar 2012 2:28 PM
From: Dominican Republic
Written by: stillhere, 5 Mar 2012 2:28 PM
From: Dominican Republic
The most simple conceptes are hard for some...
and, overwhelming, for others. i think that Atabey sometimes thinks he is making sense. in those moments, i feel sympathy for him.
Look at the INFORMATION before posting. You NEVER nor does Dready make mention of the ppb question nor if the oranges in question are from concentrated or juice. The Brazilians do make this argument. Then there is also the matter of why is the call being made by Coca-Cola? Do they have some vested interest in this matter?
Just a few notes.
I posted an article with MORE INFORMATION than the article posted by DT. There are several interesting points:
A. Coca-Cola is the firm bringing this to light.
b. The ppb use of the fungicide carbendazim issue is under dispute as there are discrepancies in its safe usage. "The Environmental Protection Agency considers carbendazim levels below 80 ppb safe for human consumption. In earlier tests of shipments, those containing the fungicide ranged in concentration from 13 to 36 ppb. The FDA will not allow sale of any shipments containing more than 10 ppb."
c. "the FDA also rejected a request by the Brazilian Citrus Exporters Association to have levels of carbendazim in orange juice concentrate assessed according to its "single strength" level -- the levels that would be found once the concentrate is mixed with the intended ratio of the levels that would be found once the concentrate is mixed with the intended ratio of water."
So if the Brazilian, WE DON'T KNOW IF THE DR SHIPMENT WAS CONCENTRATED OR NOT-is safe to use "once the concentrate is mixed with the intended ratio of water." Could this possibly be an example of Coca-Cola using tactics to protect its home market?
Just saying, there might be other issues at work here than merely the toxicity levels of the fungicide carbendazim.
New Zealand apple-growers complain that the Australian quarantine officials place unrealistic requirements on imported apples to protect the Australian apple growers. When free trade agreements are in place, and tariffs and quotas are outlawed, then these more subtle tactics are used.
Interesting that Coca-Cola should be the whistle-blower - making squillions from selling diabetes, obesity and heart-disease, and rubbishing the environment with PET while they're at it.
From: Australia
Yes, Atabey, there are often other issues intertwined. We still don't know why higher level of carbendazim is acceptable for other fruits but not for oranges.
New Zealand apple-growers complain that the Australian quarantine officials place unrealistic requirements on imported apples to protect the Australian apple growers. When free trade agreements are in place, and tariffs and quotas are outlawed, then these more subtle tactics are used.
Interesting that Coca-Cola should be the whistle-blower - making squillions from selling diabetes, obesity and heart-disease, and rubbishing the environment with PET while they're at it."
Thanks for bringing READING COMPREHENSION to the table. Some people need to read more carefully, before making outlandish remarks. And those that come to defend, should do so ONLY if they can STILL read.
Who stands to gain? That is an important question to keep in mind.
Thanks for bringing READING COMPREHENSION to the table. Some people need to read more carefully, before making outlandish remarks. And those that come to defend, should do so ONLY if they can STILL read.
i guess that remark was intended for me. however, in the light of the absolute stupidity of your position, i will not dignify it with a response.
....
I will keep that in mind as the answers are very simple and have already been pointed out ... or do we need to repeat it again.... sorry if they do not meet your aprovel... just keep pasting numbers and telling us to read what you think is right..... although you have not given any ideas of what may fix or improve the problem at hand....
Some people need to read more carefully, before making outlandish remarks.
mmmmm maybe you could point out the OUTLANDISH remakes... or what you think to be one..... Please ....
Apparently Canadian and Dominican Republic production is insignificant.
indexmundi.com/agriculture/?commodity=orange-juice&graph=production
sorry if they do not meet your aprovel... just keep pasting numbers and telling us to read what you think is right.
Atabey´s modus operandi is very elementary. these are the usual steps
1...he makes a statement, which leaves the readership nonplussed
2..he is asked to explain, or defend the remark
3..he makes a response which is even more incomprehensible. each succeeding answer is more mind boggling
4..he scurries off to google, and copies and pastes an article which has no pertinent bearing on the topic. he suggests that the narrative is the definitive, last word, on the matter
5..he informs you that you are the one who is confused, and who needs to read.
Dready and Stillherethere,
Please read what Roy and I have written. Could there possibly be something more to this than the corporate benevolence (protecting the health of the consumer) of Coca-Cola?
Why should it be so out of line for a concentrated juice that when mixed with the required amount of water meets the standards, be deemed unacceptable? Could there be some "homecourt" advantage going on here?
As Roy has pointed out: "Yes, Atabey, there are often other issues intertwined. We still don't know why higher level of carbendazim is acceptable for other fruits but not for oranges."
So please continue to believe in your own version of events and thinking this is all about protecting the health of the consumers of America.
What's that? Coca-Cola may also be the source of this problem!
"Coca-Cola Co. acknowledged Thursday it was the company that alerted federal regulators about low levels of fungicide in its own orange juice and in competitors' juice,
The Food and Drug Administration and the Environmental Protection Agency have said orange juice is safe to drink and the levels found are below levels of concern.
Atlanta-based Coca-Cola, which makes the Minute Maid and Simply Orange brands of orange juice, said Thursday it had notified FDA of the low levels of the fungicide carbendazim in the company's orange juice and in competitors' juice. The FDA had said Monday that an unnamed company had told the agency about thefungicide and confirmed Wednesday the company was Coca-Cola.
The Environmental Protection Agency has said a risk assessment of carbendazim showed no risks at up to 80 parts per billion, but officials believe real levels of concern are much higher.
"The residues we have seen reported at 35 parts per billion are thousands of times below the concentration that would raise safety concerns," said EPA spokeswoman Betsaida Alcantara.
Coca-Cola spokesman Dan Schafer said: "This is an industry issue that affects every company that produces products in the U.S. using orange juice from Brazil."
Coke fungicide prompts tests of Minute Maid and Simply Orange juices
Coke fungicide: Coca-Cola Co. alerted the FDA to a fungicide in its Minute Maid and Simply Orange brands of orange juice as well as a competitor's brand.
By MARY CLARE JALONICK, Associated Press / January 13, 2012
So I guess Dready will need to add Coca-Cola to his list of: "do these guys have sh*t for brains?"
"is this stuff rocket science? i mean, what is so difficult about getting a list of pesticides banned in the target market, and refraining from their useages? can anything be simpler? do these guys have sh*t for brains?"
Written by: dreadlocks, 3 Mar 2012 10:21 AM
From: United States
Christian Science Monitor
Coke fungicide prompts tests of Minute Maid and Simply Orange juices
Coke fungicide: Coca-Cola Co. alerted the FDA to a fungicide in its Minute Maid and Simply Orange brands of orange juice as well as a competitor's brand.
By MARY CLARE JALONICK, Associated Press / January 13, 2012
what is your point?
Is this a real question....
Ok some things that are aparent to most of the world....... Yes Coco-cola are protecting their own interest.... They are oweners of a lot of orchards along with Mc Donnals...... they also outsource for the lowest price......... the outsourced imported OJ did not meet standard so they rejected and reported it to protect themselves from prosecution by consumers and the FDA....Ok...
I nor Dread never stated that they were not protecting anyone... It is very common world wide or do you need us to talk the pro and cons of international produce sales......
As to amounts of Carbendazim in other fruit... you may want to write to the FDA.. As it was not talked about in the articale we did not address it....
the outsourced imported OJ did not meet standard so they rejected and reported it to protect themselves from prosecution by consumers and the FDA....Ok..
monster point. maybe Atabey needs to bone up on his understanding of product liability lawsuits. knowingly accepting tainted products, then offering them for sale, sets the vendor up for debilitating possible future lawsuits. get it, Atabey?
"Coke fungicide found in OJ: A worker pours harvested oranges into a sack on a farm in Limeira, Thursday.
The fungicide carbendazim has been found in orange juice made by Coca-Cola Co."
Paulo Whitaker/Reuters
So I guess Dready will need to add Coca-Cola to his list of: "do these guys have sh*t for brains?"
"is this stuff rocket science? i mean, what is so difficult about getting a list of pesticides banned in the target market, and refraining from their useages? can anything be simpler? do these guys have sh*t for brains?"
Written by: dreadlocks, 3 Mar 2012 10:21 AM
From: United States
The POINT dear Dready is that Coca-Cola ITSELF is guilty of the SAME offense. If they can be sOOOOOOOOOOOO lacking in keeping things under supervision, is it tooooooooooooo much to think that perhaps, yes perhaps, the DR might have a few hiccups in its operations?
Again, your initial take on the matter was highly inflammatory. It wasn't like all the product out of DR was taken out of circulation. Get a grip and have that tall glass of Ice Tea with Lime. Have a good lunch and don't eat too much pork.
Do you have any idea how much OJ they buy and sell.... any idea why they test and report for contaminations...... If they receive say 10,000 gal from DR they would test it before mixing with others, it is all about knowing where and what is in your product before selling it to consumers and facing the FDA in court for selling contaminated produce.....
OK Aterbey...... please point out where we say Coca-Cola may or may not be in the wrong... Yes.. in a many of cases they may be in the wrong.. and may well be contaminating the OJ themselves... "
The original article posted by DT made no mention of Coca-Cola having its own problem and so Dready went after DR, Brazil and Canada-AFTER I POINTED OUT THAT DR WAS NOT THE ONLY ONE OUT OF STEP! Mind you, Dready acknowledges this:
"Dready,
Apparently the problem is FAR from being a DR issue with both Brazil and CANADA! being worse offenders.
Written by: dreadlocks, 3 Mar 2012 10:36 AM
so what? does that disqualify us (sic) from offender status? do we simply excuse our failings by asserting that others are guilty, too? what is your point?"
So my point that Coca Cola should also be granted Dready sh*i headed listing is NOT off the mark.
Again, it has to do with PROPORTION. I would never go and say this about Jamaica
Proportions....... No it has to do with the fact that as stated in the articlae the OJ from the DR was rejected because it had banned chemicals in it..... above the limit allowed by the FDA.... Not how much came from DR, Brazil etc..ect..... Got it...
THE PRODUCT HAD positive for the fungicide carbendazim......
And the result was, it was rejected..... Follow up result should be a warning to growers, buyers and all in the chain of food production in the DR to know what they can and can not use.... And become a better supplier to impoters,exporters and comsumers...... Got it.......
They use the fungicide for a reason, since it costs money to buy and to apply, presumably to kill fungus. Perhaps black oranges are probably not acceptable either. If I was an importer or juice manufacturer I would not accept the oranges I find in the market or the supermarket here.
What I also find interesting is that the Europeans are said to be highly picky and much more "environmentally friendly" and yet their standards allow for a higher level of the chemical!
"The FDA said Coca-Cola found levels up to 35 parts per billion of the fungicide, far below the European Union's maximum residue level of 200 parts per billion. The U.S. government has not established an official maximum residue level for carbendazim in orange juice.
The Environmental Protection Agency has said a risk assessment of carbendazim showed no risks at up to 80 parts per billion, but officials believe real levels of concern are much higher."
My interpretation is that Atabey is making the point there is a range of opinions as to what levels are acceptable, whether its different countries or different bodies, is not the point.
Why dready, why so much vile and violence in your tune?
You see what happens when I extend the olive branch? I pulled the justified "Dready fabricated ...."
And I advanced a collaborative effort with you on the educational thread you were working on,
And this is what you do?
shame on you Dready.
Play the ball not the man.
Because it is 0.. the chemical is banned for use in the USA.... but the fact that they do except some from OS imports is questionable....
The levels of carbendazim reported appear to be the result of the application of a pesticide/fungicide on orange trees. The fungicide is approved for such use in Brazil and several other countries, but not the United States.
fda.gov search "Carbendazim orange juice"
We eat a lot of Dominican oranges - I mean a lot, mainly from Serena supermarket, but some from the local market and some local growers. I am not bothered by the color, or even to black fungus on the outside. However I am bothered when the fungus or rotting has penetrated the orange at the bottom, or the flesh inside is dry and pale, it has almost no taste and has many seeds.
1) If Atabey is wrong, mistaken or inaccurate that does not make him a nitwit
2) You clearly are not familiar with technology and science behind these things. There is no such thing as "zero" concentration. Even if a grower does not us the fungicide, he cannot guarantee there is not one molecule arriving with his product - transferred from the walls of a container, from a bird dropping, whatever. It may be below detectible concentrations today, measurable with newer technology. It is important to ensure toxins are well below harmful levels, that means, safe.
) If Atabey is wrong, mistaken or inaccurate that does not make him a nitwit
what makes him a nitwit is his insistence on making snide, backhanded remarks, with very condescending undertones, despite the fact that he is not dealing with the subject matter at hand.